It's Tuesday, and you know what that means. It's time for another edition of Ignition. I'm your co host Kelson, and I'm your other co host Andre. Tonight, we have quite a group here. We have some panel members that we haven't heard from today. We have the King of Television, Sea Boss. Hello. We have a very nice, very evil Rawlins. Revolution will be televised. Indeed, we have the timeless Hockey Hello. And mister Mayhem Wolf. Hello, this is war. That sounded so intimidating.
Wolf, really wave the white flag right now. Well, tonight, we have a couple of juicy topics and first we're gonna start with none other than the nature Boy himself, Rick Flair. Now, a couple of weeks ago, he made his debut as a surprise for Sting, which I think we kind of had a positive outlook on that. We had a positive a lot of positive things to say about it. In his promo, he mentioned that
he is going to write it out till the end of Sting's career. But then a few days later we actually found out that he signed a two year contract with aw which means he's going to stay way after Sting's retirement. So my question to you guys is what do you think Ric Flair is going to do in AW? Do you think he will wrestle hopefully not? Do you think he will manage somebody? What is the future for Rick Flair in AAW? See Boss, so Rick Flair signs a two year deal with a W
I think it's a great idea. I think he can take what you know, his experience as both a wrestler and as a backstage influence and bring AW and their talent to new heights. I believe that what he can do for this company will change it for the better. Okay, yeah, have any think that adds on that? Rollins? Hey, honestly don't know what he's going to do once Sting retires, because that was the whole point of bringing
him in. I think he'll factor into the trios match at full gear in some way, but beyond that, I don't really know what he adds a But we can talk about this a little bit later. But Sea Boss, I know you've mentioned the idea of maybe this brings Charlotte Flair into AW. I don't think that's necessarily going to happen. I know you've mentioned that, but anyway, Aki, do you have any thoughts on Rick Flair coming into AW. I don't care. That's hockey real quick, then, I think
I'm I'm indifferent. I'm not very excited. I'm not very upset. I'm just more confused than anything after the Sting retirement. I'm guessing that correct me if I'm wrong. Is Arn't Anderson still with AW? Yes? Yes, So I suppose you can do something with them, right, You could either return the four Horsemen or or run an angle between the two of them. I'm guessing that's probably what they're going to do, because what else are you going to use Ric Flair? I mean, how else are you gonna use
Rickclair. I appreciate Sea Wells, I appreciate what you're saying. I just don't think that it's like relevant anymore. I don't think Ric Flair is relevant enough to really bring eyes and better the better the product or the company. And that's just my personal opinion. So I'll kick it over to Kelson.
Yeah, well, you know, here's the thing with Rick Flair. A lot of people that have been watching Rick Flair Ric Flair for years, and we have airback in here in air what we're talking about and I'll throw it to you right after I'm done here. What we're talking about is what are the plans, what what could possibly be the plans for Rick Flair after Staying retires because Ric Flair, aside to you deal and Sting is retiring in just
a matter of months, and I was going to express something. One thing I do want to say is that part of Rick Flair's deals with the energy drink, the Wu Energy Drink, and I finally know how to spell WU because of the Wo. There are five ooh's or oh's in WU. I think that's important. So all you grammar nazis out there, whenever you see WU written on Reddit or Discord or Twitter or whatever, you could say, you spelled their wrongers five oohs. Anyway, Wolf, you took the words
right out of my mouth. Once thing retires, I really do think that they may do something between Rick Flair and arn Anderson. And Rick Flair at an interview already said that he wants to work with Andrade, who is his son in law married to Charlotte or Ashley, and uh, maybe we will see a rebuilding of the Four Horsemen. Keep in mind, however, that Rick Flair doesn't decide that arn Anderson decides that arn Anderson owns the trademark for
the four horson for horsemen air. Uh, what do you think? And you're muted, buddy, so I'm mute yourself, And what do you think? What are the plans? What do you think our plans are for Rick Flair? I think whatever the plants may have been, they might set of things now. I seeing all the lashback for the signing this past week, I think over many people have notice to it. Do you know rickclaire historic past, and even if we put the past aside, we put all those
allegations aside. One of the big issues with Ric Flair is that the age is your whole roster. There's already a lot of concerns that I'm having Edge Christian Staying, Rick Blair, Paul White, guys like these, You're already taking away time TV time, valuable TV time from people that are much younger and deserve I was like Garcia, guys like Wheeler, you do, people
who pick Sta Hobbes. There's many that we can name that you run down THET A W roster, and there's plenty of people that don't get TV time. So each week to Clare giving them a lot of because sure as hell, camp Pump. I don't know if people saw like at mc bricks they retirement match. No, yeah, yeah, I agree with what you're saying. I don't think he's I hope to whoever you want to pray to that he does not wrestle. H he can get slapped by somebody, he can
low blow somebody. That's as much action as I want out of him. I don't want to see him wrestle at all. And sorry, ahead, don't go, don't go ahead, Eric, what did you say. I didn't hear what you said. I would say, like, even in terms of his promos like both passionate, energetic, most usually associated with there, I don't think he has that voice or he doesn't have that cadence. He can't local himself, and that's any matter. Even if you hear him in
interviews elsewhere, it's just not the same. No, I agree with you. But one of the things that he may be able to do, if he can get a little bit a little bit of that magic back, is to elevate somebody else in the ring with his promo work, and something that was alluded to earlier, he could help people with their promo work in the back without ever being on TV. I think he could be an asset. But we're going to move on now because we've got a lot to talk about.
I want to go to this aw pole that aw Phanhob did a poll starting on Reddit. What the poll was about is we asked our members to name which of the aew women who have yet to win a title belt. That does not mean Battle Royals, and it does not mean the owen Hart who have not won a tie a belt, who do you think will be
the first to win. So we did this poll on Reddit and we got the initial votes and it was clear right from the get go that four women were singled out over all the others that had never won a belt before. So we expanded the poll, put it on Twitter X, we put it on blue Sky, we put it on YouTube, we put it on Discord, We've put it everywhere and it got hundreds hundreds of votes, really impressive, and there was a clear winner and it was a clear surprise at the
bottom. And I want to discuss the the results of this poll, and I want to see if the panel agrees with it or disagrees with it. If you were surprised or if you weren't surprised, And if they're one of these four women is not on your personal list, you don't share who you think might be the next to get a belt in AW. I mean, you're talking only about the AWTBS Championship. In the AW Women's World Championship,
there's not a lot to go by right now. So at number four with the least amount of votes, and this is the one that surprised me, was Willow Nightingale at number three with far more votes than Willow Nightingale, and Willow Nightingale was by far the least, but the other these next two were very close. Number three was sky Blue. Number two very close with sky
Blue was Ruby Soho. And just for those of you who hadn't heard our podcast before, and I pointed this out last week, Ruby Soho has never won a title belt at either WWE or AW and she's kind of a big deal. That's kind of surprising. Number one, by a very large margin, was Julia Hart. So the question is do you agree with the votes of the community and or do you have somebody else that you think should have been put in there for consideration? Sea Boss what do you think. I'm
genuinely I'm not surprised Julia Hart's number one. She's pretty popular. I honestly thought sky Blue would be over Ruby Soho. And I'm surprised, well, the Nightingale got the least. She's I guess she's not as popular as the other three. I want to let me break in there, se. I don't think it really has to do with popularity. I think it has to do with, uh, just the way that they're booked. I mean, Ruby Soho was very close to sky Blue. It was flipping back and forth
like crazy. You could, honestly he could put Ruby Soho in third, because it may have changed by now because the poll is still going on. But I think that it's not that I think people actually looked at this intelligently. He could have looked at it intelligently and no c boss. Ruby Soho never won a title in WWE. It might have been a Mandela I swear she had. You would swear that she did. I absolutely, I have to look it up because the Riot Squad was booked well, they weren't booked
very good in WWE. But I swear at some point her and Live or her and Sarah Logan won the tag Belts. I I guess not. But is there anybody else on the w W E W A fuck? Listen to me, boss that you think should should have been considered? We originally just saw. I let you know, we did have Kier Hogan on the list and Anna j and they just no, uh do r O H belts count? No? A W belts? That is actually my number one? Is yeah? I agree, nobody. Let's say Athena's number one, then Julia,
then Willow, then Sky that's my that that's my four. I'm looking to win a title now or should have won a title yet? Who's but who's next? To win? The next? After that? No? Who's next? Like right down if somebody was going to win a title, who's gonna win a title right now? At AW title? Do you think if Tina's gonna win an AW title even though she doesn't wrestle in AW at all? I'd actually say, if it's right now, that's what it is. Who's next? Who is next? Okay? What are you thinking? Really?
Not surprised that Willem Nightingale was so far off the list or a distant number four? I should say her character I feel like just there's nothing special about it. It feels like Bailey's original character when she came into WWE and she had her whole I'm a hugger and she had those like floating our things and it worked for a while, but then the fans are just like, yeah, we don't care. So that's not surprising at all. The most
surprising is Ruby. Soho, why is she on the list? I'm sorry, but she has gotten absolutely buried since coming to AW so the fact that she was the second on this list was really shocking to me. I would say sky Blue is the clear number two behind, of course, Julia Hart. I'm really interested to see what Skyblue is gonna do right now. It seems like she might be teasing a bit of a heel turn. Yeah so ACKI let's get your take on this. So the last person was Willow,
then it was Ruby, then it was Sky and Ruby. They interchanged, they flipped, lopped back and forth, and that was Julia is number one. I mean, yeah, fair enough, but that's a pretty good list. I mean, I want Julia to be the like I wanted. I want Julia to be a champion. I just would in my opinion, I would switch Willow with Ruby. Soho, because Willow to me is like I like Willow more than Ruby. Yeah, that's just my opinion. So let's go to Wolf and then Wolf, uh will go to Air all Air.
After Air, we'll go to Andre. Sounds good, all right? So the poll is mine. I don't disagree with the with the results. And just keep in mind, I think when you posted that poll, wasn't Ruby supposed to be? Ruby was having the match with Shida, so it was relevant, right, So I think those who voted for Ruby, you know, voted smart. As far as any other omissions from the list, I guess you can consider the Bunny and Penelope Ford, but not in a realistic
sense. I would just like to see those two get pushed because they're Day one people. But I honestly, it's got to come down to Julia. She needs to have a rematch with with stat Lander. Was this? Yeah, she needs to have a rematch with Statlander, and then when win the title, she needs to do it. So Air, do you what do you have on this? Do you have anything to add? Yeah, I'll throw a different name out, But so it's oh and seven In Championship Madden
A totally. So I don't. Yes, every time you feel like she's gonna win something, whether it was the Owen, whether it was the TV type title anything, it just doesn't happen. And she's always been using these positions to be like the fall girl. Twice now, I think she's been in trouble threat matches. The was with like Revolution I think when it was the rare uh and Ruby in the match, and then again recently H So she's always been the she's somebody with the crowd loves, they gets behind for
whatever reason. We in w W, there's a w just don't see her as that championship material person even though she's she's pretty young, she's good with character wise, she's good on the mic, much better than many women on the roster. They don't see that in her. But a different nick will throw out that I think I could and should we title's Serena Deeb. It's for me the ring work. Yeah, we've we We've talked that length air
about Serena Deeb. Where is she Just like I think, yeah, where and the last time I definitely agree with you with Serita D. But she's been gone so long nobody even mentioned her. The last time I saw her was the was the match with uh thunder Rosa at Double or Nothing last year in the title match, and then kind I think she had like one more appearance on a darker elevation and then it's just radio silence. I honestly injured. Like all of the Reforce I've seen from like Sean Sap, there's she's
healthy, she spent. They just don't have anything for her. But because you know, I think giving it to her. So like do you remember like a professor of five minute challenges? Those were great? Yeah? You remember those? Yeah, that'd be cool. What about Red Velvet though, she's coming back to Dynamite this week. If they can build her upright, he could make for a good TBS champion. No, you're not going. I mean if you go up and down the women's roster, can't argue with
anybody, really, I mean, everybody are professionals, they're good. My take on this. First of all, I want to shout out our regular panel member Shane who's not here with us tonight, because he is a big supporter of Will and nutting Gale, and I feel like he would not be happy with it. His Paul because she's so low on the table. But in my opinion, I think I personally think that Julia Hard is the clear winner between these women that should be the next champion, either TBS or Women's
Champion. And I think what separates Julia from the other three is that she doesn't have that outcasts thank on her because Willow, Willow Ruby is part of the outcast. Willow and Skyblue have been losing to the outcast for what feels like the past year. I know it's not been that long, but it feels like it's been their entire careers, and I think it's just it's hard
to take people seriously who are always losing, especially big matches. And yes, Julia Heart lost to Chris at Wrestle Dream, but I was there. I don't know how it looked on TV, but there was a lot of support for Julia from the crowd. And if she would have won that the championship that night, I don't think many people would complain. So I think Julia is already a made woman. She just needs the official stamp of a
championship. Uh So, Yeah, I think she's right there, and I think tomorrow she's gonna h she wrestles Velvet what was her name, Red Velvet. And by the way, it is Julia Hart's birthday tomorrow as well, so it would be kind of rough to Julia Hart lose the Red Velvet on her birthday, right, Yes, I think that is going to continue for Julia, and I actually, if I have to place bets, I would think that within the next couple of months, I think she will beat Chris
for the championship. I think I actually have to disagree with you on that one, Andre. And here's why. If you've been paying attention to the story recently, with specifically sky Blue, she's been teasing a bit of a heel turn. So what if you have sky Blue turned heel and then she's the one that takes the title off of Scotlander. Do you think that could work? I think in the as far as pushes go, I think Julia
has been pushed a lot higher than sky Blue. Uh. If you go with your theory, I think that Julia can beat Chris for the championship, but then sky Blue will get built up while Julia is defending her championship and eventually sky Blue can beat Julia for it, especially since last week. Uh, sky Blue did spray Julia in the face, so they kind of have a little rivalry starting up. Yeah, exactly Collage Sky Blue kind of. But the BacT on that she it seems like there's some tension between her and
Willow Nightingale. For me, right, go ahead, Aeron, what did you have to say? I was gonna say, Oh, here's another name, Billy Starks. So a lot of people are watching wait but for mimoney and the whole I t one of the best in the A universe. Everybody's position. Think Billy starts to be the on that turns on and beats Atina
for the RWITCH Women's champ and ship. But let's say she doesn't. They stay a pair and then Big Start debuts on a w official as an elite wrestler, and she's the one to take it to your title and you have like this power couple here as your next up. She's a team, so like there's for the women's divisions. Yeah, well, only the only problem with with with what you're saying, Air is that when you only have one woman's match on TV every every show, you don't give a lot of time
for exposition, which brings me for a secondary question. Do you think we already know that we're gonna get Timeless Tony Storm against Karashida at full gear? Do you think is it possible and I know this is gonna be ay out there, is it possible that we may see two women title defenses? Do you think Chris Statlander is gonna defend at full gear? Possible? Yes, anything is possible, but likely I do I don't think it's likely. You
have to put the match together in like what two weeks. I think they can do it, but we've never had a I don't think we've ever had a show with two women's matches before I'm gonna I'm gonna show. Let me throw before you say anything seem possible to throw another scenario out here. We know that Tony Kahan loves to do multi women matches. So what do you think if they do have Statlander defend? Do you just say, let's just
assume that Statlander is gonna defend? What do you think about Statlander versus Willow Nightingale, Sky Blue and Julia Hart, who've been working a program for weeks basically together. I had idea, Okay, I was gonna say several pay per views within the past couple of years have had women two women's title matches double or nothing. Last year had thunder Roses versus Serena Deep and Anna was it Anna j or Tight? Well, no, it was Anna j versus
Jade Cargill all out. Last year had the women's four way for the interim championship and Athena versus Jade Cargill. Full gear had Tony Storm versus Jamie Hayter and oh what's her name? Nyla Rose versus Jade Cargill Jade. When Jade Cargill was TBS champion, she was on like every pay per view for the last one. Yeah, she was totally. The other thing with Jay Cargill is that she was booked for a lot of those matches on pay per views,
literally on rampage three days before build. The only one that had any build. The only two that had any build up were Nyla because Nyla stole the TVs title and Athena because they had that build started at double or nothing. Right, I think that a half baked build for ty Val Korea British Beer as well. True, True, I don't remember that at all. I I don't remember she faced Marina shafear. I don't. I don't think that was a p per viewer. I think that Yeah, that sounds like
a Dynamite match. Well, speaking of Dynamite, we have a big Dynamite tomorrow. It's in Portland, Oregon, and honestly, I thought it was going to be just a filler show because, uh, Pacific Northwest is not really known as like a big wrestling market. But Tony Kahan is going crazy with his car. It's one of the best Dynamite cars that I can think
of in recent memory, and I think that's saying a lot. Kelson and I were talking about which two matches we should focus on, and I think the obvious one is the Big Boy match between Keith Lee and Samoa Joe. Uh. Do you guys think Samoa Joe is finally going to lose the TV title or do you think he keeps it and continues his momentum towards challenging MJF in the future. See boss, what's your take? I'm so excited for this match? Rollins. Uh just want to say something right now. I'm
coming over tomorrow and we're gonna watch that Dynamite. But yes, this is the match. I am the most hyped for. When it comes to tomorrow's Dynamite, I want I've been wanting to see Samoa Joe and Keithley. They cross paths all. I think they crossed passing the NXT but never had a match. They crossed passing the main roster ww never had a match. Now we're finally getting the match, and it is meat on meat all day.
I'm excited for it. Does Keith Lee win, Probably not, But if he does, strap that rocket ship to the back of him, push him to the moon. I think. I think if anyone gets it done, it's gonna be Keith Rollins. You got thoughts well, First of all, thanks for playing me on the spot there seaboll okay, But in terms of this match, there hasn't been enough build to make me believe that Samoa Joe is going to lose the championship, Like there needs to be more of a
right, So that's a good point. There's no story here. There's It's not like Keith Lee's been calling out Samoa Joe for weeks or whatever. It's just hey, geese title shot, Okay, let's do it. So no, I think there's no way Samoa Joe is losing his championship. Maybe Shane Taylor comes out and costs uh Keith Lee the match, because I know Keith Lee and Shane Taylor have been going back and forth on backstage promos and whatnot, and that I guess that's a feud. They do have a lot of
history. M HM hockey. What do you think about this upcoming TV Championship match? It should be fun because I like the two of the I like two of the wrestlers, but I don't I mean, I don't think he's gonna win the champ but if he does win the champion, that would be pretty cool. I agree. I think if that matches anything like that Hobbes and Mural match, I think it's gonna be amazing. Yeah, I agree with you guys. I think sorry, I mean to just jump in.
It's go ahead. So yeah, I'm I'm hoping that Keith Lee wins. I think this could be a start of something good. If he was to win the r O H TV title, I think, you know, he's deserving of it. I think he's done enough for the company where he should be rewarded. But honestly, the match itself is probably just gonna speak for itself. It's gonna be good, it's gonna be hard news, it's gonna be a lot of fun, and I'm not expecting anything less air. Do
you have anything that you want to add to that? I suppose my art said yes, wins along with Julia Hardy's birthday tomorrow. That's right, yes to say, though I have not I haven't heard of Lee, but my mind says no, he's been cho long. Final battle is around the corner in a month's time. I think some joke, uh s if he's serious about contending for the championship with him Jef, he's got he's got to get that big w But I I did like the part about the Shane Taylor stuff.
I think that's where Keepeple get caught in the match and that'll set up uh my match. Then we'll have a final battle. Yeah. You know, here's what I'm hoping. I'm hoping that Keith Lee does win this and by doing so, he could go to r o H and actually defend the title on Ring of Honor television because it's been five months. Since over five months now, I believe since Somemo Joe has defended the Ring of Honor television title on Ring of Honor Auto Club TV, So it kind of doesn't make
any sense. Frankly, SOMEO Joe is better used in AW than an r OH to begin with. He's gotten the record, there's nothing left for him to prove. So let's get somebody else in there. And even if you want to have Keith Lee even come and defend on defend the r o H title, should he win it on a WTV. Who's the perfect person to go against Keith Lee than anybody else at AW for the r o H TV title other than somebody that we've been begging, begging for them to do some
kind of something, right, Rollins Swerve Strickland whose house. I'm sorry, but that ship has sailed sale, But it has, And you're right, you said that a few weeks ago. You know that the ship is sailed, but it doesn't mean that it can't come back to DOC. It's long out to see l the planet. The planet is a sphere, so it's gonna come back eventually. It got lost in andre it got I think I think the ship might have sung and I might have hit an iceberg or something.
Yeah, so we're gonna go like the Stubber eight. We're gonna move on to the decks, but then we're gonna do something we don't normally do on on ignition, but we're gonna go ahead and do a pot pourri after this. Next segment is a segment for those of you who have never done it before, where you could basically talk about anything in a w something that covered another point. I'm sorry before moving on one point about Ley, sure if I just looked it up. Keith has had only eleven singles matches in
a WOW. His last two words watching matches on clusion. Last seviously that he had was against christ Jericho in April on Dynamite fourteen minutes, and so like, yeah, he's like wrestle collectively our maybe in the eleven matches, Oh yeah, yeah, rough going but yeah rough Yeah. A lot of the longest matches he's had were probably when he was uh tag team champion with
swerves. Yeah yeah. So let's move on because Mark Briscoe had stated pretty emphatically last week that you had no respect for Jay White because Jay White has is carrying around the belt that he didn't win. And I have a question for run off the bat am. I I'm pretty sure didn't. It was going to be MGF against the Guns for the r OH Tag Champions, but
didn't. Isn't there going to be a partner now? Yes, you think, And it's weird because Mark Briscoe won't wrestle a tag team with anybody other than his brother, so it's not going to be Mark Briscoe as the partner, even though it would be a perfect partnership. So whatever, But we'll I mean, so we got Mark Briscoe and you know, going against Jay White tomorrow night. Obviously they're not going to give Jay White a loss going into a pay per view, at least not a clean loss. But there
could be some shenanigans. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see MGF. I do hope, for Andre's sake, that we do see MGF tomorrow night in some kind of crazyiness because Andre is going to be there at Portland tomorrow night. Can I interrupt you very quick? Yeah, MGF is defending the world title tomorrow against Garcia. That's right, But I'm talking about some craziness too. I mean, at that match, if people on the kangaroo kick, that's all I need to see. Yeah, k kangaroo kicked the
ship out of j White. That's what I want to see. So and of course I hope that we don't do an outcast thing. We got so many people like the Acclaim that are that are supposedly having MGS back. You know, I don't want to see, you know, Mark Briscoe, MGF for whatever, come out by themselves. We got to have like a group. We gotta have a a pinnacle. Yes, the SeaBOS, you're supposed to be sharing a break with Rawlins, not me, Sea Boss, But
what do you think? What's what do you have on the agenda of tomorrow night with the whole Briscoe and White, MGF car we gonna see MGF walk out of their with is the belt that he earned. I actually think what they're gonna do is they're gonna do what they did with Nyla Rose at full gear last year, and they're gonna have the fake the fake champion. I don't know why I quoted fake champion, the champion walk in with the belt and the champion, the real champion, walk out with the belt. I
can very well see that happening. But they might pull a swerve on us and have MJF come in during the UH and have MJF come in during the j White Mark Briscoe match and steal his belt, and when and if the guns and Juice Robinson, you know, try to be like, hey, no, you did. A White's belt has the acclaimed jump them and so MJF could just walk out with his belt. Rollin's you got thoughts on UH?
Do you agree thoughts questions Colens? I honestly I want to care about this match given that we know j White is going to win, because, like you said, Kelson, there's no way Jay White is taking a loss since he's facing MJF at full gear for the World Championship. I just don't really have any thoughts on this match. It doesn't excite me. I mean, it's not the match. I mean, he's not gonna lose clean. Jay White's not gonna lose clean. But there is all kinds of, you
know, possibilities for chaos during this match and after this match. That part is true. I agree with you there, Kelson. I think MJF is good take his belt back, no, because we've seen mj IF try to do that, and Bullet Club Gold is just like, yeah, there's three of us and only one of you. So we're just gonna knock you out and take Jay White's belt act, you know, even though it's not actually j White's belt. But yeah, that's why. That's all I've got,
hockey. What do you have to say here? Uh? Who is? It's Mark Brisco that he's up against, right, y'r Brisco? Okay, I mean the match should be fun. I don't really know a lot about the Briscoes, but you know, the little bit that I did see, they seem pretty fun to watch. I still don't really like the Bullet Club like an eight of you, because they just seem like another faction when they should probably be like a gang instead of like how the Jericho Appreciation Society was.
That's a very good point, because to be honest, I want this match to be that the other members don't get involved and it's just j White being a cool bad guy because I like cool bad guys instead of bad guys are just like we have seven people against one person, because I don't see that as intimidating, you know, I like I want to be intimidated by like a by a cool bad guy. Very good point. Yeah, you know that before before Wolf before you come in here. You know, Aki
said something there. What do you think about the Club Gold? Are they doing it right in era as well? I mean are they Are they a good or are they kind of a comedy team? It could be better. But I want to just go back to the match, my kid, real quick, because I don't understand. I don't understand it. Like you got
all these guys who are bidding from jf's friendship. You know, you could have really booked yourself a match where somebody like Max Caster or the Kingdom guys go on against Jay White and they actually are able to get the belt for m JF. And now you know they could use that as a as an angle. Maybe they're gonna maybe that's how they're going to run this match with Brisco. Maybe he's maybe he'll lose, but he'll he'll be able to snatch
the belt and and give it to him JF for storyline purposes. But yeah, Bullet Club Gold, I I mean I've I really enjoyed it, probably up until maybe two weeks ago. The whole angle, the whole run, the whole stable. Now it's just becoming redundant, it's becoming a little stale and it's just not really good. I can understand that go ahead here, I am. I might be the outlier here, but I am a huge Bay Club Gold fan. They are my favorite act in a W right now.
It happened since like June, I love everything that see White overall. Oh he's second wrestler in a W behind Ken you So I love you White je in Supering. I wasn't a big fan of guns, but since they came out of many men, they converted me. I haven't accents even on them. I love that the go ahead A little talk right there? Okay,
Yeah. One thing that I would like with the goal is I love their segments that uploaded to Twitter and you to a lot of those funny segments they do with the bad fact that you don't ever get seen on dynamite or collision. I wish they showing sight of themselves a little bit more or they
are some of those segments because they're entertaining. But as an act, I think they're they're great, and you can see that Tony Hahn has so much faith in them because consistently that they're wrestling for twenty twenty five minutes or they're in the ring for like a good two quarters where match after match promo they do something. I've seen them live twice now how it actually eats them out there? Can they do all their antics? Everyone's behind them, So I'm
a huge fan. In terms of match itself, was that it would have been a lot more sense for one of the people who are hying for I'm just friendship, whether it's Daddy asked whether the next pastor Anthony Bowen to get him the mat, because that would have made a lot more storyline sense. But like, I'm not gonna complain that Mark brisco is just because he's freaking awesome. He got injured. Story with him was always that he's now fying with that r O S TV champion ship. That's what had made clear.
I thought he was gonna win when he faced, but he lost, and so the comeback story was always there for him, and he's like the he was like, go to the Keith Mojo, Matt. I think Mark Bristol was still that person who's gonna beat the Mojo because that's the story, and he's gonna he's do because that's that's the finel of the story that you have. He's already I want to have let me just break it real quick, Audrey, because we had Shane pop in here. Shaney, you hear?
I sure as LM. Well, look we're talking about the Mark brisco and Jay White match real quick. Sorry, Andre I wanted to get shaded here, no problem, And we're talking about will Mark brisco help MGF get his stolen belt back tomorrow night. Look, we all pretty much agreed that there's basically no chance that Mark brisco is going to get a clean win on Jay White. But you know, I think we could also agree that there's a possibility some chaos. What do you foresee in this match? Oh man?
Well the guys, sorry for running late. It's been a little bit crazy today. But I love and appreciate all of you. You know, to be honest with you, the Mark prisk I got caught in the caught on the back end of what Air was saying. Do I think that Mark Briscoe is going to assist in giving his belt back? Absolutely not. I don't think that's going to happen. I think that Jay White is going to carry
that belt through full gear. If he doesn't win the belt at full gear, I would be very surprised because that seems to be the direction that it's had in Jay White is going to do the J White thing in terms of storytelling into the unforseeable future. That's my prediction. I can't see a reality because he's getting paid by Tony Connie said in media that he's incredibly comfortable with the way that he's being written for AW. That has to have stipulations.
That means he has to have some stay in terms of how his story's being told, and also, you know, in regards to you know, how those belts are being disseminated. Not to mention, no one really has an idea, any ideas about the direction of the Bidding War twenty twenty four. I believe it's a work. Most people believe it's a work. I think MJF is gonna sign with AW into the unforeseeable, unforseeable future. But if he is not, the most logical thing would be to put it on someone
like j White. I know a lot so that that's decisively split between the community because people don't quantify Jay White as an AW wrestler. He's very new Japan in that AW structure. But I do know that he's like incredibly talented and incredibly well routed, and he does have a place in this organization. Thank you for tossing that to me. Kelson, By the way, we though that would be andre Yes, I was gonna echo of what Air said
about Bullet Club Gold. I do enjoy them a lot. They're hilarious and that many men entrance is low key one of the all time greatest entrances in wrestling. I do think that they could change things up a little bit. I still believe that Wardlow or somebody of his equivalents should join to kind of add more of an intimidation factor to the group, like a powerhouse role. They don't really have an enforcer of any kind that most wrestling groups have.
And as far as the match goes, I think it's going to be a fairly standard match. I think it's going to be good and entertaining. But I do think Jay White will win and uh Brisco will have a good showing. But he will lose, and it's okay because he has been winning quite a bit since he's been in aw so no big loss for him. And if no one else has anything to add, we can move on to our
three section. I did have something to add I was gonna say this to air, It's like, you're not the only Bullet Club Gold fan in here,
because I am a huge fan of them myself. I've been enjoying them ever since Jy and Juws Robinson started teaming up with that whole Ricky Starks feud, and then they get to Collision, they're feuding with punks, they're feuding with their teaming up with Joe, then they get the guns, And first I wasn't a big fan of it, but then it started to grow on me, and I just think what Bullet Club Gold is doing is fantastic.
So I just want to respond to Shane super quick. As much as I want to believe j White is going to walk out of full gear with the championship, I honestly don't. And the reason is because next yeah, next month, they're doing a pay per view in mjs hometown called World's End. Do you really think they would have j White walk into that pay per view in MJS hometown as the AAW world champion. Whoa whoa, WHOA hold on, I gotta you better be saying something to the say. I'm just gonna
say something real quick. That's what that's what Tony con does. Look at what he did with the Acclaimed. He's burying his his vice presidents. He's burying the e vps right now in storytelling. That's professional wrestling. Look at the FED man like their whole entire they bid the FED historically, if you look at every WrestleMania, or if you look at every every major FED pay per view, they bury their talent in their home to hometowns. It gives
context to their stories. It makes you believe that these people aren't Superman. Yes, I and I think it would be. As much as I'm an MJF. Mark, We're all Mark, you are, Yeah, we're all Mark. Said for any single one of you pro wrestling fans on this, on this that listen to us or here contributing to this podcast, if you're gonna tell me you're not a Mark, I'm gonna tell you're a bigger Mark
than me. You know, Like, like they they need to give m JF his redemption arc some substance, right if they need to make j White look like the Nemesis of nemesies. Not to mention, the bullet Club has to be infalluable, infallible, That's what makes the Bullet Club such an imposing faction right good. When they showed up in Japan in the beginning of the Bullet Club, that that's they re They've revitalized, they reinvented new Japan par
wrestling. They've done it for impact. Uh that that you know, aj Styles has hijacked everything except for the name and the fed ae w They were the outliers until j White showed up. They need to make continue to make this faction look like they're undefeatable until they could bring in talent that you know, makes them look feedable. You know, that's the whole point. You know, Rollins love you, buddy, I I I you know I. It's it's not any different, you know, it makes a lot more storyline
sense, or it's just a lot more intriguing. Prior to first MG loses the title. That December thirtieth, is this opportunity to win back that pargant chip that's gonna secure that big mass, the pay day that he's looking out for. And that's that's I'm in the chase of trying that back the data for the new year starts. I think that's like such a more compelling story than him defending that world's against potentially it's like four or five people at this
point. Hey, Air, I agree with you. Unfortunately for a w storytelling currently that's the low hanging fruit. But you know, to be honest with me, I'm a Rollins and I are both Cleveland Browns fans, so we're used to disappointment. So oh yeah, what's off? You're right, bull Gear would be a perfect time for Wardlow to make his presence known. White and yeah, Warlow join the Bullet Club. Warlow and you and you
just hit on it. That's why I'm That's also why I'm saying m JF is not going to lose the championship because think about it, He's got Daniel Garcia tomorrow night on Dynamite, He's got j White coming after him, He's got Wardlow coming after him. You still have the Adam Cole storyline going on with the Kingdom. You've got Samoa Joe coming after him. I don't think you take the title off of him. Knowing that you've got all these people
coming after m JF and his World championship, it makes no sense. But they're coming for the champion ship, not exactly for him. So Warlow specifically said he wants to go after m j S. Yeah, he's the one that's for sure. Well, person, I mean the whole angle is m JF is a d bag and he screwed everyone in a w He's a bag bag. I love him. So all right, guys, I think we spend enough time on this little storyline. We'll have more to talk about it
after Dynamite tomorrow as we see how things unfold. Uh. And with that, we're going to move to the pre section where you can talk about anything related to Dynamite tomorrow. And if you guys don't mind, I start this because I have a bit of a personal story. It might be a little sad but has a happy ending. So basically, I was born in Russia and I lived there for ten years in the nineties and we were very poor.
I had a ten inch black and white TV with five channels, and every once in a while they showed WHW Nitro on there and that's how I got into wrestling, and Sting became my favorite and to this day, thirty years later or not that much, twenty five years later, still my all time favorite wrestler. And tomorrow I'm going to Dynamite and I'm going to get to see him actually wrestle on his farewell tour for the first time in my
life. And when I was eight years old watching him on my black and white TV, I had no idea that one day I would live in America and have money or have any opportunities to attend anything like this and let alone see Sting who is sixty four years old now. So I'm super excited. Like, and that's my put per re section. That's what I be looking on camp right. If you're watching Dynamite tonight tomorrow night for the CM Punky Trying, that's gonna be. Yeah, I'm gonna be Just to clarify,
this is my fourth a W show. I did Cea Staying come out to support Darby back in January and Seattle when Darby won the TNT Championship, and I saw the segment live at Wressell Dream. But this is an actual match, so it's it's a little different still, So I'm excited about that. Uh well that's said. Let's move it on to s boss. What do you want to talk about? Okay, so what I want to talk about? I do want to talk about MJF versus Daniel Garcia. Does MJF going
into full gear make this less of a match. No, I think Daniel Garcia will put in a good showcasing that might garner him a later or push. But the question on my mind, and I think on just about anyone's mind, is what version of Daniel Garcia are we going to see tomorrow? Are we going to see the Red Death or are we going to see the
sports entertainer? Your thoughts. I mean, when he was cutting his promo, I think on Rampage last week, he started to call himself a wrestler, but then he caught himself and went back on it and said sports entertainer. So I think we are going back to that story. But for my potpourri, Red Velvet is back for the first time, and I don't know how long, I feel like it's been over a year or something, Okay, and she's facing Julia Hart. Do I think Red Velvet is going to
win this match? No, because it's clear they're still trying to push Julia Hart. But I hope that they have some type of plan for Red Velvet because I've said this on other podcasts that we've done on here. Red Velvet is a very capable wrestler, and I think if she is booked correctly and gets the push I think she rightfully deserves, she could hold the TBS Championship,
maybe even the actual Women's World Championship. Sure, she would have to gain more personality, I think, but I think she has the skills to do it. So I want to see what type of match she has in her return. Okay, what do you think? What's your potpourri? I don't really have one for Wednesday, but I do have one for the paper reviews coming up if I can. So I have a small Yeah, I have a small theory that if j White wins the champion that the Long Island
crowd is going to boo him really loudly. And yeah, obviously then the person behind the devil mask will show themselves. It's gonna be m JF and we'll come back, all right. So, going back to what Sea Ball
said, I'm going to just kind of emphasize the same thing. I'm excited for the Daniel Garcia m JF match, And Daniel Garcia just tweeted something that I'd like to share, and it's just this one feels bigger than me for Ricky, for private party for Moriarity, for Take for Anna, for Darius, for Ethan, for Action, for Stoke, maybe even for Sammy and Yuda. We take it back and we excuse me, we take it back and lead a w in the future the right way, restore the feeling.
So take that as you may. Sounds like he's got some big plans for tomorrow. You're just that's a very good tweet. But m JF kind of belongs in that group too, I think, so yeah, yeah, it seems like omitting the guy he's facing. Yeah, you know, I what er, what do you want to talk about? So I had a little rent on next today after I saw the Don Kellis how graphic which had Yes, Kenny, Jericho, Ibugi and Paul on one side and the family consisted
of only Don Kellis. That was a real graphic. I thought you, I thought that was a fake graphic that you put up. That was on Instagram today, So tweeted by aw official on all platforms. This wasn't better. It's not photoshop. There is no test, no Sandy, no Hobbes. It's just Doohn Challas. The forehead got is going against the entire world.
Oh my god. I was the picture. I can't believe it Don Kallas versus Golden Jari show TK and so like I had like I just like I was genuinely annoyed by it. So I wrote down like eleven points of things that like, I despise about that graphic and everything else around the Don calls family feud. So one, I hate fact that keny Omega is not wrestling singles matches enough. Two, I hate that in the graphics Jericho is between the gold lovers. I hate the fact that a w never calls O
Mega Bushi lovers. I hate that wait is there? Five has become all about donk On Number six, the main protagonist of the story seems to have shifted from Kenny to Jericho. Yeah, Dakesha got lost in all this. When the pairing first happened, it was supposed to be about elevating to Kesha to be a star, and now where is he? Number eight? The fact that the actual family members are missing from the graphic. Number nine, Why are we using a bushie in a street fight for first style? Let
him wrestle a genuine match, just just a regular match. Every AW match has been like a street fight so far. Yeah, one of his biggest viral moments last year was a street fight where he blew up I listen, I'm gonna take a step back. Yeah, you know exactly what I'm talking about. You strike me as a person that knows your crap about professional wrestling. You and I are going to get along just fine. When he called out Sam, he's ay, Remember, he's like, there's one person I
want to fight. It's Sam. He's ay, like I want to fight El Generico is what he said. But God, well spoken, go ahead, finish, finish. I'm sorry, I'll have my time on the help Number ten, number ten, Why did Kenny need assistance from Chris car Oh and others? The elite is right there and not to tell me that point last week, which is very good you brought that up. We're here hangings
here is why are you requiring Jacko's help? And then lastly, meek tenth is when Don Kellis stabbed Kenny in the cage match versus John Moxley and we're in November. Now, we're in November, and so yeah, that was not many rats boys. Absolutely all we know that you're not gonna watch Dynamite next week was think they're squirming like exciting. Shade is Shade is literally bouncing
up and down in his chair. Go for it. Listen, I had my own Pope Prix thing, but I gotta throw this out there man, that those types of dialogues about professional wrestling is what makes podcasts, is why we do this. Right. Our whole entire structure is based off of things that we want to talk about. But those are things to talk about that are relevant to aw storytelling. I want to I want to dissect that entire list. I'm not we don't have the time. This isn't about that conversation.
My Pope Pury for today is about Bullet Club recruitment. So I'm the Sea Boss and Rollins both know I'm a little bit of a like New Japan Mark as well. I'm a bullet Club specifically historian, and typically in the lineage of Bullet Club, we get to a point where they go heavy on recruiting. We have four members, right, the last major recruitment was the Guns. They don't have their residential big man. Who's it gonna be?
And we know it's not gonna be. Both Paul White, because he could barely walk between the sheets to come out to say hey, I'm Paul White on the brig shoal. Let's get it, you know, like, that's not a thing. The most logical belief set would be that, you know, Bolt Club would recruit Wardlow and he would fit in that perfectly. It would be like when Bolt Club recruited Tomatanga they needed a big guy to get behind them. That wasn't bad luck fallet you know, you know, when
the real rock and roller ran the club. I would like to see this start happening because the slower we go on that storytelling, the less relevant the club will be to how stories are told, you know, with those feuds in the future. So please t K Crapper, get off the pot and allow this thing to start cooking. Dude, that's my pelpourri. Okay, So now I'm gonna go with mine and I'm going to share something that Shane and I talked about last week and some of you heard, you know,
privately. We've talked about it specifically on our ship talk on Saturday Night. But I think it's fun and the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced I'm right. And here is my theory. The man in the devil mask and if you guys, don't agree with me, You're totally wrong, because I'm about to lay it on the line for here. There was
a couple of things. There was a couple of things we noticed about the man in the double mask when he first made his debut, when him and his well, he had his cronies beat the ship out of Jay White. First thing we noticed is that he's not as big as a professional wrestler. He's kind of a he's just not a big guy. Second thing we noticed is that when he went to grabbed the camera, he reached up with his
left hand, So we have a smaller guy who was left handed. Next point, and this is what's gonna blow your mind, folks, hold on to your hats. The next point I'm gonna make is that last week aw signed released to go to a contract. And at that signing, we had released to go and Tony Khan, you know, and they did the whole you know, here, we're gonna sign the contract and yes we're gonna hug it out and you know, we're gonna tell each other we love you with
know bilingually and whatever. But one thing that I noticed is that Tony Kahn's not the biggest guy in the world, kind of like the guy in the double mask, and when he signed a contract, contract was signed with his left hand. The person behind the double mask is Tony Kahan bank on it. Yeah, you've never seen the Devil and Tony conn in the same room together. It was me, JF. It was me all along. You
can't bake on it. You have. You had me for a while thinking that you are going to say Don Kallas, which I think is very much possible seven feet tall compared to I thought. I thought you were going with Kyle O'Reilly. For a second, actually, honestly, for the very get go, I did rollins believe that it was Kyle O'Reilly. But let's move on. We're getting toward the end of the show. We're going to make one spicy prediction for Dynamite tomorrow night, and we're going to start with Sea
Boss. Well, no, we'll go to Andre first. Let's go to Audrey. Make us Andrey is going to be there. Spicy prediction for spicy prediction, the outrunners are gonna squash Sting and Darby. Oh my, oh my god, I want to hug you right now. Oh my god. Okay, who hurt you Okay, grew up a poor boy in Russia. Steve Steing is my hero. And then he comes out there, brothers are gonna squaws thing. He's got to put people over on his way out. What are you drinking? I want? I got some guy? Oh God.
By the way, you can also make a predictions, you know, if you want not Boss, go ahead, because I nobody's gonna be able to beat that one. I actually think that on Dina. My spicy take is that m j F is going to get his belt back with the help of the Acclaimed, because when he's got it, when he tried to get it back in the past, you know, the bull cup going like, oh we're three year one, we could just beat you up. But now Mjf's got some help from the Acclaimed, so it kind of evens the odds.
All right, Rolan, you're a spicy take. Let's go ahead and say that Swerve Strickland absolutely wreck Hangman Adam Page with a steel chair tomorrow. Yes, are either of them even on the show tomorrow? Yes is hanging. We don't know. I think Serve is going to just in a backstage segment. Swerve is just gonna absolutely wreck Hangman with a steel chair. What's just hope that Hangman isn't either a holding his baby or be holding beer because that would be devastating. Hey man, no, not my beer, hold
my baby. I need to mourn the death of my beer. Acky. What is your spicy prediction? I'll do you one better. Swear it was going to kidnap the baby. Oh I wish I was on camera because the baby never made it appearance. You know, So he's gonna be like holding a empty blanket or was gonna be like Ra's kid hang Man's Hangman's kid is all elite wolf. What is your spicy prediction? I don't know, Man, you got me floored. Uh I think, yeah, I guess.
I guess they'll just be uh sarcastic and say Tony Storm is gonna come out and do a little show again. I don't know. Maybe during picture and picture how surprising? Maybe give peach anyway, Yes you have you have a spiky, spicy prediction. A spicy prediction. We see a third person get added to the Tony Storm Uh and uh, I'm black the women' champion Because I say that because they haven't officially released a graphic for that match yet.
So I feel like somebody might get added. That's a good like a t You mean like a three way match? Right? Oh okay, I thought you meant For a second, I thought you meant join her faction, because do you have one? That's do I ever? First of all, Happy birthday, Tony Shavanni. No one did you get did you? Guys? Did we? Did we bring that up today? You know? God? Shut up, Tony. My spice prediction is that Keith Lee drops the mojo and I would love to see it. Yeah, why would Why wouldn't that
would be awesome? I don't care. Well, I shouldn't say I don't care either way, because I love Mojo and I love Lee. I don't it. How do I say this without sounding negative? I wouldn't mind either man or winning. Hey, lew great. Let me tell you something about Keith Lee. His best match was uh during COVID with brock Lesnar in the FED and I I typically tried to steer myself away from this, but he stood toe for to bro with brock Lesner. Brock Lesner is one of the
greatest athletes in history, and I'm not I'm sorry. I'm gonna say it. Played his day and Keith Lee literally rugged off a clothes line from him and made it look believable. It was an incredible match Keith Lee. If Keith Lee doesn't beat Samoa Jo tomorrow, I'm gonna riot Wow will would we would allyself? I could have run Kei Lee versus Samoa Joe when they were both in NXT. That would have been a fantastic match. I'm sorry. I know I'm not supposed to swear here, but the fact that Keith Lee
is not a top guy is absolute BS. I didn't swear. I agree. Well, let me let me give you my spicy actually have too, but they're small. I think that both the Birthday Boy and the Birthday Girl tomorrow Night are going to win. I really do. I do believe Keith Lee is going to win, and I do believe Julia Hart is going to win. The second part of my spicy prediction is I absolutely do believe that if not Tomorrow Night, then on Collision, more likely on Collision, maybe
even on rampage. Because when it comes to the TBS Championship, Tony Kahn waits until the last second book it for for a pay per view. He will book it for the pay per view. It's going to be Chris Statlander defending against Sky Blue and Julia Hart in a four and the winner of the match will be Julia Hart Bike. Actually I like that idea a lot. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, I don't. I would pay good money to see that match. I would pay good money to see Willow
win that match. Well, you missed. You missed our poll thing that we did, Shane and I want to reiterate this. We did a poll on a w fan hub reddit YouTube. Well let's not let's not repeat ourselves. Let's Shane hear the episode from the beginning. Hey man, I'll wrap around. We're good. We did think of you when we were talking about that subject, so yes, we yes, we were. We were like, what could be the worst possible scenario, Shane wrestling, But no,
we're not going to get that. So you are awful. I love you all. Would I would have said me wrestling, But as Andre can attest to, I was on TV kicking the ship out of Disco Referno in two thousand, So you're an a team. I was a tag team. I was I should be at the w W well WCW slash, w W Hall of fame for kicking the ship out of out of uh Disco inferno. But anyway, that is ignition for tonight. Be sure to join us tomorrow night
for it'll be uploaded tomorrow night for all the talk. We'll be recording that at ten fifteen, right after Dynamite right here on our discord, So panel guys, please join up with us. We'll also be doing a live chat at our aw fan hub the subreddit tomorrow night, so join us there. We look forward to hearing your comments. This is Kelson, and this was Andre and the rest of the aw fan club Ben Hubb. We talked a lot today, getting tongue tied. Yes we're out of time. Good night, good night everybody,