It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the aw Fat Hub podcast team. This is Kelson and this is Alex, and we had a huge pay per view. I think some of us really enjoyed it. Some of us maybe not so much. Spoiler alert. Yeah yeah, so let's get into it. I think we're gonna start from the bottom and work our way up. Yeah. First, you know, we had a few matches on Zero Hour. I think Trent and Matt Sidell opened up
the show. I don't really have a lot to say about this match, but I did enjoy the ending we had Trent getting a mic and calling out Chuck e t and kind of seeing where he stands in there their feud, so setting up for Dynamite. So I am excited about that. I mean the match was just what it was. It was just to get Trent some heel heat, I think, right. Yeah. I mean when you look
at Matt Sidel, you know, very talented wrestler. But let's face it, between Matt Sidell and the next match, which was Shabbata and Cassidy against STP, I mean you're looking at months and months and months and months of win loss record mediocrity. You know they're gonna lose, so why have them on even a zero hour at a pay per view? That just yeah, I agree that you just don't put jobber matches in a pay per view.
Yeah, those are easily collisioned dynamite matches like yeah, nothing special absolutely, yeah yeah, I mean that's just my point of view. I'm interested to hear what your point of view is because I think you can lump in the Orange Cassidy and Shabata match with Taylor Moriarty and yeah, yeah, to me, the only interesting part, like I like seeing Shabata, I like seeing Orange Cassidy and all these guys, But it was just about the staredown between
Krant and Orange Cassidy and that angle. Yeah, it was like a two second bit with a fifteen minute of you know, wrestling built around it. It was weird. They should have just lamp lumped them two matches together and made it a six man mm hmmm, yeah, I guess, yeah, that would be That would have made more sense because your your your Orige Castidy match was a revenge match of sorts for Sabata because he got kind of screwed over by Jericho. The weekend before, So that was kind of why that
match happened. You're right, those two matches would have been better to have something else. Yeah, yeah, I think it just existed to yeah further that storyline. Did you have something to say about it that, No, No, I was just agreeing. I was thinking about it, and yeah, I agree it It just kind of I don't know, it felt felt a little flat to me, So I don't know. You you wrapped it up really well when you said I was thinking about it and yeah. Yeah,
yeah, that's a good way to think about it. That we had what was the next Yeah, so the highlight of zero hour it was the acclaimed versus Bullet Club Gold. We had the titles unification match Bullet Club Gold one day White got his pinned back ass. Yeah. I thought it was a fun match. It wasn't like anything super amazing, but it was. Yeah, it was just fun. I enjoyed it, But it wasn't you know, the highlight of the card for me. Yeah. I mean,
look, this is what I'll say about this match. First of all, I enjoyed, I really enjoyed this match. They're both terrific teams. What I don't enjoy is trios matches at all ever. I mean, even when you had the best triangle and the elite doing their best of seven and they did pull off a few you know things to make those seven matches different from one another, but they were trios matches and they don't translate the TV.
Well, I don't enjoy watching them. It doesn't matter. So I've never to this day seen an a you know where I would give a trios match an A. So what I'll say about this matches is that as a trios match, it was actually very good. It was enjoyable. Now I don't ever want to see a trios match ever again on AWTV. That's that's just me. Mm hmm. Yeah. I doubt you will get that wish,
but I be. But at least now that there's only one set of trios belts theoretically, I mean, and they might only be on Ring of Honor now, they might be kind of retiring them softly from aw TV, so you might get somewhat of your wish at least less trios matches. Oh well, I had a side question kind of about the acclaimed in that match. Does anyone think that Max Castor is trying to get fired with his rap.
Yeah, with his with his raps, because I remember reading that a few weeks ago, and someone in the Reddit chat brought it up again after Dynasty that they felt that he was purposely doing things and saying things to get fired, and I hadn't gotten that feeling about him. But I was wondering if any of you all maybe saw something that I had not seen yet. Well after that fiasco they had that one day, the one time Tony approves everything he does, right, So I don't think that, you know, people
can say, well, he's trying to get fired. Tony's approving the wraps, so everything that he said before that, which I found very interesting, He's getting that approved before he does it. He's not coming out and just working on his own. So it might it might they might get the feeling that he's trying to get fired, but I just think it's it's just what's
going on right now. Okay, Okay, Yeah, I've never like especially the last rap he did, and he hasn't done a rap in a while, but yeah, I enjoyed it, Like I like when he pushes boundaries. I didn't think I never feel like he's crossing a line. I always feel like he's probably getting permission from his opponent ahead of time. I think it's just like in good fun. Okay, all right, well thank you, because I thought maybe I was missing something. Yeah, I don't.
I don't think that, you know, the Reddit gods are right here, but I do, you know, but they could be. But at this point, I don't think he's trying to get fun. Yeah. Yeah. I think the time that he had the issue there was that it was didn't he have some kind of there was like a death inist family or something, and there was some other stuff outside of it going on. His mother died. Yeah, yeah, so I was Mike, you know that can that
can seriously affect what's going on? His father died. I'm sorry I thought it was his father. Yeah. Well, moving right along to the UH card. What better way to start than Jericho? Okay, I yeah, I don't know. Something. I was at the aw show in Toronto, UH and Cook was beating up Chris Jericho and all the fans were booing Chris Jericho, wanting Hook to kill Chris Jericho, And something broke in me that night that just made me decide that I'm gonna like Chris Jericho no matter what,
so I I was happy that he won. I didn't hate this match. I see Consen's rated it quite low, but I didn't. I didn't love it, but I would definitely put it above, you know, the worst match of the night. I kind of like the ending. I like Chris Jericho with the FTW Championship. Maybe he's going to retire it. I don't think that would be a bad thing, but yeah, I don't. I didn't hate this match. I'd give it like a D plus probably. Yeah, you know, the only thing. The only thing I'll say about
this match is that today. Maybe Benu late last night, but I think it was today. Chris Jericho went on Twitter x and made a post that said thank you to everybody who Oh what did he say? He said, thanking everybody who supported me it cheered for me at Dynasty. And I replied to that tweet by saying, yeah, those two guys were really annoying. I'm not sure. I'm not sure he really heard. He must not already paid much attention to the teers he was getting, because it was a couple
of those you should retire or something. It was a pretty much a symphony of it. What are you talking about a couple. Yeah, it was. He's I just I just like the fact that he's actually doing my I was talking to my son about it, and I said, you're missing the point. He's doing the see them Punk stuff that see Him Punk did backstage on TV on live. That's the difference. That's what makes it different and makes it funny and makes it interesting because he's actually being and it's and it's
a it's definitely directed at that. Yeah, And you know, I have a question. You know, so we heard the please retire and other stuff that was said. Do you really think that the fans want Chris Jericho to retire or do you think they're just playing into the you know, to the gimmick that's going on right now because he is obviously playing the CM punk part right now. And frankly, I don't, I'm not I'm not here for it. I don't, I don't want I don't ever want to hear or
see CM punk again because of the media scrum. You know, I thought he was very unprofessional. I have nothing to say about the all in backstage footage or the brawl out because I wasn't there and I couldn't hear and see everything and all in. I don't know what was said done beforehand at brawl out. I wasn't in the room. The only thing I can say is
where you had the the press conference, the media scrum. Cmpunk was wrong, and frankly so was Tony kan because he should have had security escort cmpunk out of the building. You should have fired him on the spot right then, and if he had done that, none of this other stuff would have happened. This is true. Mm hmm. You know, so goddamn it. You know, Chris Jericho, You're a legend. Shut the hell up and do something different because this isn't working for me. It will never work
for me, and I hope you fail. I think it is interesting because people are legitimately booing him because they don't like him, and mostly people boo people for fun, like Don Kallis, So I don't know something there's some value in that. Wait a minute. I don't think they mowed on Callas for the fun of it. I think they mowed on Callus because they truly hate him. But it's I think it's part of the gimmick. It's I agree with Alex, it's they boo him because they're supposed to boo him and
they love doing it. Yeah, and it's fun when it's drowning him out. It's Jericho. It is because they hate him and they want him to get off their TV. Well, here's the thing, this is the way I feel about it. I'm sorry for going on about this, but I just have to say this. One last thing is that Damn Punk when Collisions started, when he came back, he wasn't good. He was not in
good rest all right. Basically what combined see Him Punk not being good at all when he came back when Collisions started, he was over exposed while not being good at all. And this is where Chris Jericho is kind of emulating. See Him Punk again. Now, Chris Jericho, to his credit, can still go far better than see Him Punk can. I'm sorry, but
he can't. He could do moves still, He could do you know, you know whatever he could do. He could do all of his signature moves still, See him Punk can't even do his signature moves without thearing his byset. I don't think he could pick his nose at this point without tearing his byset. So or tri Sarah toops, I don't care you know, so that's a I'm sorry, Yeah, Nett, did you have any thoughts on like Chris Jericho Hook. I think that that entire match could have been maybe
maybe on Zero Hour. It's it didn't seem to go with the flow of the main show. I like Jericho in and of himself, but whatever he's doing right now, it's it's really ugh. It's really aggravating, and it's it's not funny anymore or entertaining. It's just it's grating on my nerves. For one. Well, Beth, let me ask you this. Do you think that this is actually helping Hook in any way? Not really, No,
I don't. I don't see it helping Hook because Jericho has that that way about him and I think we've all touched on that before, where he kind of gets with younger talent and overshadows them a bit and takes away from their shine. And even now with this match, all we're doing is talking about Jericho, you know, who was there too, and I enjoyed what
Hook did, but I think what what Jericho is missing. The point is he says he wants to do this, and if you listen to his interviews, he does he wants to help the younger guys get where they want to go or they need to go. The problem is his ego, he says, he's like he says one thing and does something else. He does he shouldn't be doing it on camera. He should be doing a backstage He's not got the character the I love Jericho. I've always loved Jericho, but he
isn't someone that works well with other people. If you think about all the great gimmicks he's done, it's Ben Jericho except for Jerishow, But it's always been Jericho by himself, not with the group, not with the tag team, not having somebody in his wing. So I think it's come to the point where somebody needs to tell him, hey, dude, you gotta you gotta stop doing it this way and do it the right way. Well,
you know, let's let's move on. We're gonna move on to the next match was which was the trio's match between the whatever they call themselves is the Rated Hard Raided R Chicken Farts and the House of Black Whatever. Full disclosure, I always saw about the second I saw this about six seconds in this match. I'm not gonna you know. The six seconds I saw was very
fortunate. I turned it on, turned off the TV, turned it back on to see if it was over yet, and I saw Eddie Kings didn't have his unfortunate you know, losing battle with the rig ropes, and I turned it back off again. But what did you guys think of this match? I thought it was a good match. I enjoyed. I mean, it was good interaction. I thought it was a good a good match. I would have given it a B minus the fact that House of Black didn't
lose made it a little bit better. Because they've been losing so many matches for so long. It's nice to see them actually win something for a change. And I think it's gonna get a good stepping stone to set up uh Copeland versus Black eventually for the title. Okay, yeah, that seems to
be the prevailing thought of the Red at Gods. As I mentioned earlier, you getting that, Yeah, somebody called us somebody we're doing this recording God Discord and somebody called us in the middle of the what Yeah, yeah, so MK is the is the guilty party? Ah? Anyway on my phone. I heard it on my computer two rooms away. Yeah, there we go. Let's continue to talk to talk about this trios matches. Anybody else have anything to say about this? I don't even think that even chimed in,
I don't know. It wasn't that exciting to me. I mean, I'm I think it was fun and action packed, but it wasn't really anything over the top. I'm looking forward to seeing if that's what's going to happen Malachi Black used more in singles matches and eventually fight Copeland. But you know, it's good. I liked a lot of the the Mark Brisco action in the match. It was nice to see him. I think he's getting back to his old self and it's it's nice to see him again. So I
enjoyed that. But that was all right. I guess i'd give it a B if I had to rate it. M hm, yeah, yeah, I feel the same as Natt. I think it was a good, like action packed, fun match. I really liked the ending with Malachi Black missing Adam Copeland and Adam and Malachi Black was kind of like ducking Adam Copeland the
whole match, like avoiding fighting him. So yeah, I think they're very clearly setting up a singles match with them, and I wonder, you know, could we see a singles title reign for Malachi Black and consistent singles matches. I'd be pretty interested in that. So, yeah, you think, maybe Alex that this is a way to set up Malachi Black and maybe Brodie
Kinger Buddy Matthews for a tag team run against Christian and Copeland. Yeah, I could see like House of Black being the villains, like putting Adam Copeland in a situation where he needs back up and maybe they've already hurt Eddie and Mark and anybody else that would help him out. And yeah, this could lead to Christian being the one to make the save and return to aw Yeah, because we haven't seen Christian in a long time now, Yes, since
he lost it, right, I was kind of wondering about that. Where he's Where is Christian? Is he that devastated that he lost the match? I guess Spike didn't do a little damage hanging out with Mother Wayne. He'll be okay. Well, I have a little bit of a prediction about that, but it'll be later on in the show when I make a prediction of what's going on out with Christian and his patriarchy. M okay, So let's switch to the next match. Moving up, we had Willow versus Julia Hart
in a very short match, with Willow winning the championship. Yeah. I thought like Willow looked good, she had some good power moves, but it was just short and weird, weirdly short. Whether Julia was injured or got injured during the match, I don't know. Well, she's supposed to have the shorter injuries, and you know that didn't make any sense to have. She didn't do anything in the the tag match on Dynamite really except for coming in and use the there was a chain for a minute. Uh. So
I was really disappointed that they did this match like they did. It didn't do it, didn't do justice to either one of them. No, No, I agree with you. I mean this match, frankly should have never happened. One. Julia is injured, and you could clearly see that she was injured based on the mixed tag team match last week and also Dynasty. She did give Willow credit when Willow did any move on to Julia Hart. She did protect Julia's shoulder. But the way I look at it again,
this match should have never happened. First of all, you don't put an injured wrestler in the I'm surprised Juliet was cleared if that's even a thing to wrestle, because she wasn't able to do it. And the second thing is that Willow in no way, shape or form earned a shot at that title to begin with. I meane it was just one of those that was a means to an end to get Willow to face per cites tone double on nothing
and they basically threw Julia under the bus on this one. However, I don't know if you saw the bit that she did meaning Julia after the show. It was a very short spot where they had her standing in a dark corner like she always is with the eerie lighting, and she was bawling her eyes out and just literally, I mean really water works coming out, you
know. And she didn't say a word, but Brody King came up to her, took off took off his jacket, which I don't know why he's wearing a jacket, but he kind of wrapped it around Julia's shoulders and said rebuild and somebody needs to mute please, said rebuild. And when Julia kind of stopped sniffling and kind of looked up at the camera, with this ghastly evil look at her eye. You know, so when Mercedes Monette, when Julia was when Mercedes Monet came in, Remember Julia was kind of sort of
injured at that point too. This has been really rough month or so for Julia. The problem was is that you know that was the problem. You know that she was injured. But when Mercedes smoking and A came in, they said that they had big plans for Julia in the future. This is not over for Julia. I mean, I think the end game is.
I think I really do think Julia is going to get back this championship, and I would not be surprised that Double or Nothing is either a three way or a way for Julia could has that that rematch clause she could take on the person right after Double or Nothing and take the championship back. But I kind of don't want Julia to have this championship back. I think Julia should
go to UH to UH World title. I think I think Julie should be going to going to start him anyway, like I think they should have added a third person to this match. Then you're gonna have an actual match and hid Julia's injury and then Julia doesn't even need to take the pin, Like, yeah, it's kind of weird that they had it at all. Mm hmm, Okay, anybody else said anything to say, I would say, yeah, this is the weakest match of the curve. It was, you
know, I just did. I just didn't think that this match should have happened at all. I mean, it wasn't fair to Julia, and Willow did not earn it. Julia beat Willow twice recently. There was no reason for this match to happen. Maybe this is why the week, why the
rankings are not working, and why they went away to begin with. Yeah, yeah, I think one one other thing I'd say, like, if you had high hopes for for the women's division after Mercedes Monique came in, I think this would be a little bit extra disappointing on top of that,
because yeah, it was really a kind of a nothing match. And if you're if you're if the plane goes to what it's supposed to go to, will is going to have the title for a month because Mercedes is going to probably beat her for it at double or nothing, and you really don't have a reason to keep the title on her other than that I mean, she's you know what I mean. They're not going to have Mercedes go against Willow
and lose. That would be crazy. Yeah, but that again, when you look at it, why would Mercedes win the match at double or nothing because everybody expects it. Would it be better to su perhaps make a surprise and have Willow win it so that like will becomes kind of like Mercedes's scryptonite. That could That could work, But I'm not I'm not counting that to happen because that's not normally how Tony works things anymore. Yeah, you know
what I mean. I mean it. I get what you're saying, and I agreed, I think that, but you I don't see him give him money a loss in her first match. Mm hmm. Right. I think it would be better. I think it would be great for Willow and be more interesting, But yeah, I don't see it happening either. You gotta feel bad for Willow. I mean, first of all, she didn't earn this match. Second of all, she's winning it and then she's gonna lose
it within a month. Well, the only other thing, cycle, the only thing that that that would make sense is if they did and this all comes down to how hurt is Julia. Is it something that's like just a nagging injury that if she gets a month off it'll be okay, or just something more than that. But if they did add her in double or nothing could lead to a all in or all out I'm all out the London Show. It can lead all in, okay, it can lead to Julia versus
Mercedes. Have Julia beat Willow at it for the title back and then have those two go at it at all out all in. That would be really I agree with you that Mercedes is going to be the biggest name as far as the women's division goes at all in and having her lose it all in will elevate whoever she loses to, whether it's Willow, whether it's somebody else, whether it's Julia, it's going to elevate them. It's going to be their moment and I will make and create a superstar in my opinion. You
know, so I think that you're going down the right path there. It will definitely be an interesting month. Well let's move on because we've got actually the match that opened the actual pay per view, and you know, I'm gonna say his name this way because I do so enjoy saying it this way, Kazu Chica Okata against Paca Ka's Chica. I just I don't know why. I just enjoy saying that like that because I'm weird. But anyway, this was a great way to open the show, wouldn't you agree? Yeah?
Yeah, this is a match second best match of the night. Yeah, I don't know, like I This and the FTR match I guess are like two A and two B for me. But yeah, this is a really good match. Okatta is such a star. He was so good when he did his pose in the middle, fingers and the lake. Yeah, this was a fantastic match. It was a great way to open the show. Great finish. Yeah, I loved it. It was great. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. I think it was a great use of
their time as well. It was a thirty minute match, and I think they used every minute of those thirty minutes to really put something fantastic together. I feel like it went by so fast because it was action pat and I really liked it. I thought that that pack was really good. Okada. I like him anyway. I like to see him when he faces shorter opponents. For some reason, he seems to do really well with those that are shorter than him. He knows how to balance things out, and I I
just really like it. I think that Pax stood out a lot. You got to see a lot of what he can do. And I've missed him as he's been gone here and there, so it was really nice to see him back and remember why he stands out. So it was one of my favorites. I'm glad they opened with it. You hear that's po Net wanting to face Oda. I mean, your your short ass is gonna put on a fantastic match. Then yeah, you know, so who else wants to talk about this match? SnO oh? I thought it was a great match.
I loved uh. You know, I've been watching Kada for about I started watching him the in twenty twenty in the January, right before the everything went broke all hell broke loose in the matches that we're going on there in Japan. My son got me into it. Then I thought, he is one of the best that's out there right now. He just is. So he's one of those guys that can just about do anything and can make anybody look good no matter what's going on, and that's impressive, especially for a
guy his size, because he's a big guy. I mean, he really is a tall guy. So you know, sometimes when you have those things, and I'm six foot four, so I've always been considered a taller person, it's sometimes hard to make people look, you know, when you're that tall to be able to do some of the stuff that he can do. So he does do a very good job of it. I love watching him
wrestle. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. I have to give props to Pack here because one of the things I've always said about AW as a whole is that my favorite wrestlers in the AW were the ones that can sell. Is a fantastic seller, and that's why I love him. Pack is an incredibly good seller. And I just love watching Pack get just like even a basic move, he acts like he just folds. He just folds upon himself. I mean he just puts it over so well. And I
appreciate that so much. And I wish I could see I mentioned this last week. I hope this isn't the end of the Pack. At Kasuka Okaday story, they did that DDT on the outside of the ring where Okada had him draped over the barricade and pack. He took it so well, like just fully on the head and then flipped over and I think he was like shaking afterwards. Yeah, yeah, I thought he was. Yeah, it
look really good, really really good. Yeah. I mean, when you can't tell whether they're selling or they're actually injured, you know who else does a really good job with that? And this may surprise you. But when it comes to are they injured or are they just selling? Brit Baker does a fantastic job of that. I'm sorry, but she does. Sorry elf, but Grit Baker, Rit Baker, Brit Baker can sell. She's really good. Of course a lot of times she's selling, you know the broken
nose that actually did happen, because nobody was broken like Brit Baker. But I do appreciate that, I really do. I'm not even going to go there, going to go there, especial especially since today is Jamie Hayter. Yeah, and Brit Baker's birthday. So happy birthday, ladies, and I for one can't wait to get both of you back at the AW because they do have a lot to contribute. Happy birthday. I need a petition to having my birthday change My birthday is on Sunday, and I just don't know
if I can share the same month. You just gotta find out, find out WHA's birthday is. You can share the month with him. It's sad because I share a birthday with Jay Leno and the late Despicable Hassan Saddam Hussein. So yeah, birthday you can't change now. I'm thinking about it for years. And this might be the the straw that broke the camel's back.
Is that joke? It's a Baker dig But I agree with you. I mean, the the other one that's really good at that that's there now is Brian Danielson, although sometimes I think he does it a little too much. Yeah, we'll get to that there, Okay, Yeah, next match F
t R versus the Bucks ladder match. So this was the second last match of the card, and you know, after the match before it, they had a tough job to do of pulling the crowd back, and I thought they they really went all out and put their bodies on the line and almost killed themselves. But they put on a great ladder match, I thought. And a lot of times, like we give ladder matches that are just kind of a cluster of like six guy ladder match that's not that memorable. But
I thought this. I really liked this match. I liked it a lot. We had the crazy ending with probably not that crazy. I think a lot of us probably predicted it with Jack Perry coming out. Yeah, I like this match. It was maybe my second favorite match of the card, but uh probably tied at least with the the pawc Ocada match. I was disappointed. Go ahead, now, go I was. I love the match.
Match was great. The bucks that I think that's their third ladder match that I've seen them in in a W and they always put on a great match in those. They rival Some of the ones they've done have rivaled the originals with the Hardy's and and those guys. But Jack Perry entrance, the whole thing with that, I just think they they totally should not have done it that way because it made no sense. They they blew They they could have and they should have and it would have. It depends. I guess
it's gonna depend on where he comes in. If he's gonna you know, he helped them out, but that doesn't mean he's gonna be with him. The elite sign okay, so why not? And they've been doing This is where it disappointed me. The elite they he's they you know, he's going on about how, uh, he's not going the perry. No. The announcers, they're going on about how he's not there. He shouldn't be there. It's illegal. He jumped over the barrier. He's trespassing. It would
have been the perfect opportunity because then the match is over. All they had to do is play the ladder. The EVPs should have went into EVP mode and told the guards leave him alone and then he celebrated, but they didn't. And now, to me, just it just ruined the whole thing. There's no sense in having him do it because he was there for two seconds, he knocked one guy off the ladder, gave him the win, but then he's being escorted out of the ring. It didn't make no sense because
technically he's not out of contract with AW so it's not trespassing. I was just part of the show, I know, but it's just I know what you're saying because I'm big on logic. What about you and net, I mean, how did you feel about this match? I think that maybe the EVPs will address the behavior of Jack Perry next week. They'll give them something that's talk about about how you know he he broke some rules there. I I loved the match. I love seeing the e vps and ladder matches.
It's some of my favorite thing in wrestling with them. They did a lot of good stuff. I like to throwback to the to the earlier matches when I was in Hardwood took off Matt Shoe. M h. Yeah, that's that's like a throwback to like one of their first matches together in a w and I caught it. I don't know how many other people people caught that, but I thought that that was pretty neat, and I like the chance from the crowds telling them to be careful. It's that everyone was into the
match and enjoying what they were seeing. I really liked it. I thought FTR also really held their own and on a good performance. They didn't disappoint either. And you know, I I did not kind of spoil this one for myself, so I really didn't know who was going to win. So I was kind of on the edge of my seat during the whole match about who was really going to take it until Jack Perry with that porcelain face came
running out there. It was was that porcelain like Dalface. Did you guys see the fan video that showed Jack Perry walking into the arena from yeah way and he was walking and the woman that was taken I guess it was the I know it was a woman. I don't know if she was actually taking a video, but I assumed she was taking the video he was. He walked in and he walked, you know, good between the aisles, like three hundred feet, and she as soon as she saw, she's like,
there's there. He is, you know, she tagged it right away. I was pretty impressed with that look. Earlier in the show that I had said that I had a little bit of a prediction about Jack Perry. Here's my prediction. I think you're gonna see, and I'm going to base this on something that happened shortly after Jack Perry was suspended, and what he did
was he trademarked Jurassic Express. I think you're going to see. I think you're going to see eventually, probably not right away, but I think you're going to see eventually Jack Perry get back together with Lucasaurus, not kill switch, because I think that patriarchy is going to go bye bye, because Christian is going to go with Copeland. So that tag team, though I don't know, you know, I'm just saying that they. I haven't gotten that far yet, you know, But I did say that. So let's get
onto the nets match. Next next match, which featured Adam Cole getting out of his wheelchair and walking rather sprightly down the ramp to the ring. I say that about the match because I couldn't give a rats ass about this match. I'm sorry. Roderick Strong is just you know, Roderick Strong is the curity in security insomnia to me, And I'm sorry. I love Kyle O'Reilly when he was here before, but he's he just there's something odd about him. He kind of looks like two day o cadaver to me. I mean,
he just doesn't look right. I mean, yeah, but he was diabetic, but he looked good what he was here before. Yeah, he just I get nervous watching him. He just does not look right. His collar is off, his eyes are sunken. Uh, the long hair is doing nothing for him. He just looked like I mean, I mean it looks like if if I were going to cast a cadaver for a remake of Weekend at Bernie's, I would cast Kyle O'Reilly, you know, because I mean, he just looks the part. I mean, he's scared. I'm
not saying that to be insulting. I'm really concerned for him. But you know, hey, we knew that Roderick Strong was going to win this match. The Undisputed Kingdom can't lose a belt like this, you know, on the first defense, because this was Roderick Strong's first defense. It's this match, This match one of the worst matches of the night, not for the wrestling, but because it was essentially a glorified jobber match. I'm sorry,
but it was. Yeah, Like I enjoyed the match itself, Like I think, yeah, some of the storytelling around it, Undisputed Kingdom has not been a strong point of the show, and I think that being the main
story behind this makes it less interesting. But like the match itself. Roderick Strong, like the announcers were saying that he's he's kind of like this generation's Dean Malenko, And I always think that when I look at him, just something about him looks like Dean Malenko like his body shape, but yeah, he's he's a super talented wrestler, and he's also a guy that's into like martial arts and carries a lot of that in how he wrestles. And same
with Kyle o'reiley. They're both like hard hitting, technical wrestlers and that I find it really fun to watch that style of match. So I enjoyed the match itself. I'd probably say it's like the fifth best match of the go for me. I'd give it probably like a B plus rather than a D minus. And I thought when when Adam cole came out at the end and he looked at Wardlow, he gave him like a death stare, I thought that that was probably the most interesting thing that the Undisputed Kingdom has done in
months. So yeah, thank god they have Adam Cole back, because he's a super talented guy and he's interesting and he can make that group a lot more exciting. No one else says anything to say thinking about it, I actually would have put that match on the pre show and moved the Trio's title match to the show compared to the two because I just don't see anything good
about Roderick strong. Don't like his act. He's not a strong character in the group, you know, his whole Adam, that whole thing got on my nerves like two minutes after it started, because it's just it's just I don't know, it's just degrading on my nerves and it's just juvenile. Yeah, it's not only that, but a good way and huh yeah, well you know seriously though, because a lot of rustlers at their gimmicks, they do juvenile stuff, but it works. This just didn't work right, It
didn't work. It's still not working, and it will continue not to work. I mean, he's not really changed from that. The thought the thing I thought was funny was or there was was good about it was the fact after the fact, finding out that Wardlow was in an accident before that happened, right his car up against the guard rail. He looked like you could have been in really bad shape, and uh you really couldn't tell anything was
wrong with him. So that was kind of a good thing. But uh, I see, ah, I see a cutting of the strings with him, which would be a good thing for Wardlow. Yeah, but poor Wordlow, he had he's kind of lost, you know, so I hope he does find something to do, whether on his own or with other people. Not did you get a chance to think about it yet? Do you have anything to say about this match? I think that the problem with there was
a problem with that match. I think it is overall quite good, but you have to really be the kind of wrestling fan that likes the hitting and the counters to the hitting and not. That's not everyone's cup of tea. So I think that's kind of where it fell flat. But I think the wrestling itself from them both was good. I agree roder Strong gets on my nerves beyond belief. And I don't know what's going on with Kyle O'Reilly.
Maybe he's changing his look or something and we're kind of seeing the before stages with him. He's always been he's always been kind of weird and hunched over like you don't think of it, but he's always kind of been a weird guy. Yeah, it always reminded me of the Hunchback of Notre Dame. Yes, there's something about them. I think they were both good physically. There was like a lot of good physical action and I don't know what Wardlow
was doing. They they've got to get some help out there for Wardlow. I don't know what though, and Adam Adams looks to Wardlow keep making me wonder what they're going to do, but they never seem to really execute whatever the plan is. So I hope they do that sooner than later. M Yeah, that's it. Well, let's move on to the AW Women's World Championship match between Timeless Stony's Timeless Stony listen to me, Timeless Tony Storm and
thunder Rosa. Alex, what is your overall thoughts on this match? Okay? I thought it was probably one of Tony storms better matches than their last
few, definitely better than the one against Tianna Piazzo. But it felt like once it got going, it went a little bit more and then it ended like it never hit that next gear that I really want to see them, especially compared to like Danielson or the FTR match or Pacocatta, Like, you know, they're not putting, they're not putting on that type of epic match
and they should have with like Tony Storm and thunder Rosa. So I do feel myself wanting more and it does kind of take a back seat to some of those bigger matches because they're just not Yeah, they're just not kicking it up to that gear. So yeah, I was I didn't hate it, but I was a little bit disappointed. I was. I was disappointed also just because I didn't want that outcome. But I thought Thunder looked better in
that match than she has in recent matches. I thought she she she really went after what she wanted to go after, and she was herself more than she's been in the past. But there, You're right, there's something that's I don't know if for me, if it's because Tony is only the fourth defense she's had it since she's had the title, and she's had it for a while. I mean, only to have four defenses in that amount of
time seems kind of bad to me. But I think it's she when she's in her matches, her character that she is doing so well with is holding her back. It just seems that way to me in the ring, because before she became this character, I feel that she did it so much better and so much stronger in her matches than she's doing now. Just seem that way to me. Anyway, I agree with you, Yeah, her character work has been great in rings, she's not been good and this match was
not good. It was just not good. I'm sorry, but it wasn't It never played toad like Alex said, Uh, it just never reached a crescendo. It just kind of like the adrenaline never hit, you know. And I don't know whose fault it was, or if it was one woman's fault or the other women's fault, but this match was a snooze fest. I'm sorry, but it was. What did you think that? Oh, I'm sorry. I like seeing Deanna come out and fight with Mariah May.
That was one of the things I enjoyed. I thought. Then Rosa was really good. But one of the things I often wonder when I watch women's wrestling in AW is if the women are actually holding back a little bit. It's it makes me wonder across a couple of matches and if that's because of the the audience. I was reading an article about wrestling and it was why there are no intergender matches in AEW and it made me start to think about
the women's division as well. And I've started to wonder if the women hold back because there's a perception that no one really wants to see women really fight and bloody one another, and you know, really get down and dirty and cheat and pull out all the tricks and you know, hit each other with chairs and put each other through tables. If they kind of hold back and everything is just put into a little box where you fight, but you don't
fight. If that mats, I don't agree with that, because two of the best women's matches you've had on AEW was the Thunder rusat Baker Cage match and the street fight between J TJ and I can't remember who they wrestled, and the lights out match that was probably one money. Yeah, that was one hell of a match, and they didn't hold back. That was blood, sweat, tears everywhere. So I think, I think what the part
of it that do agree with is. I think what happened with that match especially, is it seemed like to me that whenever Tony would take control, her playing in character would break the flow of the match. If you go back and you watch the match, Thunder would get the head of steam going
and she would start to go where she goes. Tony would take over control and then instead of continuing like she used to do before she became this star, she would walk around the ring, walk away from Thunder, would talk to her, would play to the crowd more, and then it just breaks the flow of the match. At least that's what it seemed like to me. Right, Well, maybe she's on purpose. Yeah, well, look
in the end, this is the way I feel about it. I hope that Jamie Hayter and or Britt Baker come back soon, because who in the hell is Tony Store going to go up against next? Heire Hogan? Seriously, you know, Percei's monet is and I just don't see it. I know, I just think that I think that Tony Storm has falling into almost the Jade Cargill kind of category, where her character is fine, her matches are stale, mm hmm, yeah, her promos are good. Yeah,
but you know, I'm watching professional wrestling. I'm not watching from a world and I know, you know, the Mariah May stuff's been fun, and and Mina sher Kawan stuff it's been interesting. But yeah, this was a real chance to put on like a great match and show that they could hang with some of these other great wrestlers like Will Osprey. But they did definitely did not do that well. Speaking of Will Osprey, Alex, let's move on. Yeah, so yeah, Button, what did you think of this
match? I'll let you go first before well, look, you know, I'm just gonna say this, this match was by far the best match of the night, best match of the year, maybe even the best match of the century so far. Uh. I'm just I don't want to repeat anything the one, you know, because everything we're gonna say is, oh,
this was so good, it's so good, so good whatever. I want to get props to the crowd because they they didn't even touch each other, they were standing across from each other, just looking each other, and the crowd lost their ever loving minds. That was amazing. I got to give props to Saint Louis. The wrestling crowd at Saint Louis was fantastic. And you can't tell me that that did affect the match, because I think it hyped up both Danielson and Osprey to put on the best match they possibly could.
They delivered. The crowd loved it. Every I've not heard anybody say, well that betch wasn't as good as people said it. It was every bit as good as everybody said. It would be, plain and simple. It was it was a fantastic match. The ending. I'm hoping that Brian Danielson went a little bit over the top and sold it, but they they did carry it. They did. You know, it's part of the story.
So let's just see what happens. I told my son, I said Danielson might want to not wrestle in another pay per view match, because it seemed like every pay per view he wrestles in a big match like this, he gets hurt. Even if it's a work, he still worked that. He got hurt. Okada Forbidden Door last year broke his arm. This time it was it was a I loved everything about it. The ending kind of
was a little worrisome. They both sold it really good though. If it's a work, and if you watch it close, it's a work because there's there. He didn't hit his head, he landed where he's supposed to land. It just looked bad. I mean, I watched it. I watched it. Uh. I watched it on a site I go to that I can get things from on their replay, and I went there and I washed it back and you clearly see him land on his shoulders like the move is supposed to. But it just he saw he sells that stuff so good.
But I think, like you said, and we said I said earlier, I think he ever sold it a lot. Yeah. Yeah, it was a shocking moment and it seemed like, oh my god, is he really hurt. But the fact that he got up and walked out perfect for the Hidden Blade afterwards, I think that made me feel like, Okay, this is this is clearly just part of it, and they're kind of making that move more important and building some story around that, and it's maybe gonna lead
to will ospray. You know, maybe in the future he loses a match because he's no longer willing to go to that level. He's retiring the move, yeah, he said. And I think that's probably just a storyline thing, like maybe now he can pull it out again and everyone's like, oh my god, he's he's pulled out the retired move. Yeah. I feel like it's all just part of the story. But I don't know. Sometimes I'm just completely wrong with that and he's really hurt though I don't know,
we'll find out later. Yeah, but yeah, what I want to say, like, this is a thirty minute match. It was amazing. I know, it was great because the fact that I was able to watch it again with my wife because she missed it. So I watched it twice, and the second time I watched it, I wanted it to keep going longer than it was. Like I I could see the end was happening, and
I was like, oh, like, that's too bad. I wanted to keep going, and I remembered it going longer though I don't know, Yeah, it was a really great match, and like fifteen minutes into it, I was watching and I was thinking in my head like, uh, you know, this isn't anything too special so far, and then it I think it was. I don't know, there was some point where it just really clicked for me, and I would like I thought it was like all good
wrestling matches. It started off as a chess match and then turned into a hockey fight basically. So, but no, what did you think about this? It's one of the best matches I've scene I I liked it. I liked everything about it. I think that Don Callous did a very good job of planting the seeds that he has been doing about Osprey having too much that he likes his opponents too much to be in the callous family that he's not as disrespectful and as hardened. You know, he wants to be friends and
respect everybody. I think that Danielson very well may be hurt because that was a hard hitting match. Maybe he sold it a little bit, went a little over the top with how much he's hurt, but I think he might be hurt. I really liked it all all around. I thought it was great. So yeah, as anybody else has anything to say about this match
at all before we moved on to the main event. All right, so let's move on to the main event, which was We're Strickland against Samoa Joe for the aw Men's World Championship. Look, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it. This was a good moment, not a great match. I mean it was obvious Samoa Joe basically laid down for Swerve Strickland. I mean, there was nothing special about the match at all, but it provided a
great moment. I'm happy for Swerve. I you know, I think Samoa Joe did a fantastic job with the belt and kept it interesting, and that's really all I have to say about it. Mm hmm, Yeah, I think I agree fully. It was like because the FTR Bucks match was so good and that was in the death spot. It's like, now the main event is now the death spot because for me, I can barely even remember this match after those two matches, Like you're coming down and I wasn't fully
paying attention. I started paying attention when it was like close to the end and it looked like Swerve was finally taking it home. Nice for Swerve to win, But yeah, I think this match definitely suffered just from being the last match on a pretty stacked card, especially the last three matches being so good. Yeah, they need to start rethinking that a little bit in some
ways, because they do that sometimes too much. But they'll have a very superior match, like the opening match with Akata and Pack was far better than the final match, and it just doesn't make any sense to put those matches in that order, especially when you're not going to give them people the match
they want to see. Yeah, you know, it did. I don't really remember much of except I know that there was a a a was it a slam on the concrete on the outside The Swerve got slam in the concrete for a second, and then you just seemed to be the next thing, you know, within five or ten minutes he went in the title and that was like, okay, yeah, it was. It was. It was a cookie cutter match, It really was, you know, and I don't mean that disrespectfully, but they just to me, it was like, okay,
let's just get this over with. M You know, there was nothing special about the match to me. I don't know how there you know, if you found anything special about it, but nope, you know you and I felt that way a lot about Samoa. Joe kind of in general, like he's he's great, he's he's believable as a champion. You believe he can beat anyone up, but in terms of like match quality, he's maybe not the greatest guy to put on awesome made event world title matches. Kind
of get what you're saying. But you know what the thing about somehow with Joe is that he believes his character believes that it is believable. His character believes that he can beat anybody up, and you buy into that, even though he may not beat the most you know, flippity floppity athletics, handsprings and all that kind of stuff. Dives off the top of a rope kind of guy. You know, I was a little I don't even remember if he did his nope move during the match. I mean, the matches seemed
there to me. M yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just too tired. Yeah yeah, yeah, when you're talking about zero hour and then a four hour pay per view, five hours worth of wrestling after we just had three hours of collision and rampage the night before. Yeah, I mean, and you're a little bit burned out, you know. But you know, I want to move on. Let's go ahead and do our Dynamite preview.
There's really not a whole lot to talk about here, because, like we've already talked about Chris Jericho, who is going to be appearing on Dynamite for the Learning Tree segment. I guess is the best. But we've already talked about that, you know, So let's move on up to just a segment between Chuck Taylor and Trent Burretta and Orange Cassidy in what I can only describe as a eighth grade schoolgirl pow wow in the playground while playing Hopscotch,
Who's your best friend? Yeah? I'm here for it. I like it. I like this version of Trent Evil. Trent I'm curious to see what happens because I really think Chuck Taylor could go with Trent. They've been friends longer. And also one thing that's interesting about this. It was like a Don Kallas tweet about looking for new members of the Don Kallis family and it might be people you don't think of. So I think Trent could be a
good candidate for joining the Don Kallas family in the near future. You know, I really, I mean, I really kind of think you're right there, because he would look great on that painting. Yeah, and if they add him, we definitely know the painting is changing. But the problem with that part is if they're going to put him with Donkallas, you can't take Chuck with him, because Chuck, no way and hell fits with no Yeah,
no, not Chucky. Somebody to take pins Callas's butler. Again, I guess I thought that they said that Chuck and Orange had been friends longer, but they but Chuck and Trent had been tagging for ten years. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, wrestling wise, they were the best friends before Orange Cassidy. I must just I could have swore lest what they said, but I might have misheard it. But I don't know, this is just gonna be one of those things. It's I'm not really it doesn't really matter.
Yeah, well, I mean who's your best friend? I mean I just mistake ever. Yeah, it's cool for you, But coming back in this one, well, you know ed Ka has joyed us now, so I want to let him. I mean, is there anything you want to talk about with Chris Jericho or even you could even talk about Chris Jericho, but of course we want to hear your thoughts on the who's your best friend? I you know, I'm interested in and in both of those honestly,
because Jericho. I I'm just I'm sorry. I'm I'm a comment watcher everywhere I go and I like to see people reaction, and people are going ballistic over this Jericho winning, which we all predicted it would happen, I believe most of us did, and people are like, why did he win and said, well, du he hasn't continued this story. You know, Jericho's
not gonna lose twice in a row. And he's eating this stuff up, and I hope he leans into it so much that he you know, he's turning into the very thing that CM Punk was saying that young wrestlers do and they don't listen to the learning tree and all this, and I think that's where it's going. Maybe is a little slight poke of fun at that thing. But I'm loving it. I know Alex loves it too. It's just different and people just want to grab all over Jericho for no reason. I'm
sorry. I like the guy. I know people need to break from him, but he still does the job that he needs to do and with Orange Cassidy, and then I love this too. You know, I still don't know what was said between bat Lander and France. You know, something may have been whispered there about why, and maybe that's why that's really been silent on it too. Maybe there's something churning with Maybe Orange Cassidy may not be a baby face anymore as he once was. Maybe something's up with that too,
So anything can happen. It's aw Orange Cassidy became a little stale a little bit, in my opinion. Maybe he needs some a good storyline that'll, you lit'll take him on for a little bit and give him a little more darker edge. So I don't know. Yeah, well, Orange Cassidy's been stale since his first run with the International Championship. That was preposterous. So, I mean it was like rinse repeat. You can't tell me you
could tell one match from the other. During that whole, like two thirds of that entire run, everything was the same exact match over and over again. It's a waste of time. I disagree it. I don't think you should have had a second time in my opinion, that's where I would have drawn the line. But I think his first was good. That the second, to me, was better than the first because at least the second match had something different happened. The first one was the same match every week.
I agree to disagree, but uh, that's a beautiful thing about wrestling. Yeah. Well, let's move on to John Moxley and Powerhouse Hobbs. Look, I mean, nobody expects Powerhouse Hobbs to beat John Moxley, but there may be some story here. I mean, Powerhouse Hobbs is not going to be the IWGP World Heavyweight Champion after tomorrow night, let's just face it. But could we see some story on on here? Yeah? I'm interested in.
I know Powerhouse Hobbs is not gonna win, but he could be a really cool Japan, Like he could have a really cool run in Japan if he did win, like going back to like Vader or some of the big American wrestlers that they've had historically over there. Stan Hansen, he definitely fits in that mold. Yeah, yeah, at one point I believe I would. I would see him more though with the Strong title taking it from Eddie
mm hmm, but that's more of like an American title. I'm just thinking, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Strong, the Strong Championships already American brand of the titles. M you know, I don't know his name, but there is that Japanese wrestler that I believe it was. Earlier today, uh issued a statement about Powerhouse Hobbs, saying that he could not come to Japan and defend a title, and Hobbs said, anybody can get it, So Yoda Yoda Suji. He's kind of one of the up and comer guys.
He's probably like the next face of New Japan. Well maybe they're making them. Maybe maybe that's planning a seat for Forbidden Doormatch that. Yeah. I'm just saying, maybe he'll he'll be coming through, because it just seemed out of nowhere and it made me say, you know, I wouldn't mind
saying hobbs in Japan, so who knows. Yeah, yeah, there is like some storylines going on in New Japan about how they're feel like, you know, Hiroshi Tanahashi, the president of New Japan, is favoring aw letting John Moxley win the title, and they're showing displeasure and and maybe they're setting up some more introting matches for Forbidden Door than they've had in the past,
like moreaks behind them. And I have a theory about that too. But you know, let's move on because we're talking about John Moxley powers There's no way Powerhouse Off is winning the speaking speaking of no way that they're gonna win. Uh, spur Strickland is making his first title defense against Kyle Fletcher. Again, this is probably about story and probably just about giving Swerve a chance to come out there with his brand new shiny belt and show it off to
the home crowd in Jacksonville, Florida. I mean, what else could it possibly be? Guys? Actually it's an eliminator match, so you already know what's gonna happen. Well, I don't know, I don't know. What's gonna happen? So tell us it's when have they had an eliminator match where the challenger is won? I don't think they've ever. I remember that me Yamashida beat on the Rosa an eliminator match in Japan. I remember that.
But I think there's been a couple more one and so, I mean, it's gonna be good to see him come out as a champ and and but I I don't see where it makes any sense to get he's jumping right into the don Kallis family feud with them when he's had all this other stuff going with I guess, I guess you can't really do it with some mojo and nobody knows where cowboys at, so I guess there is a rule. I
guess he's got to start his title run somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, And it's it's not even a feud, it's just that the Callus family jumps into everything. You can't wrestle one of them without all of to them getting involved there like ants. Yeah, they're like ants at the picnic. So yeah, Kyle Fletcher is like he's a level above Shane Taylor promotion Brian Keith, But he he's that guy that's Demi incredible, but he loses. But that's I think why he's there. He's really talented. He's he's got to go
places. But we'll see tomorrow night. I think about that is they have the they still keep doing the United Empire. He keeps splashing the hands on and they're not talking about it. It's all about the Callous Family. What's
that Bobbs at one point was mocking him and doing the symbol. Yeah, I mean, I think that they need to figure out what they're going to do there with that sooner than later, because it's starting to get to the point where I think they're getting the Callous Family a little stretched out into the thing because they're they're messing with the BCC, they're messing with uh now,
the Champ. They're messing with all these different people, and it's going to start sending out the storylines and you need to get that to They're not they're not making a clear cut done with the storyline for that and then and moving on to something else, which I think is going to latin lessen the impact of the Callous Family. H m hmmm. Like one thing I can say is that don Kallis family. I guess before will Osprey showed up, they were just like m I A. They were just not featured at all on
TV. So I'm happy that they're back, but it is kind of weird now they're going into major feuds seemingly if Swerve is going to feud with them as well. So I don't know, just yeah, maybe not yeah, but have you noticed that Swerve didn't come out two weeks in a row and just talk. Uh, not that I'm taking a chot at anything else, but you know, they're actually putting him out there like unlike some other companies that like to parade their world champion around, Swerve get into business and we'll
see where where it heads. I really, I think it's just just a blow in the water. I don't think of have anything to do with the Calis family that much. They got their eyes on other things. Mm hmm. My question is who who's going to come out first on Dynamite? Is it going to be Swerve or John Moxley Moxley, because if it's it's going to be Moxley exactly without a twenty minute promo about how great is Yeah.
Well look, okay, I'm gonna apologize to you right now because I'm gonna droll on about a woman's match now because I have a lot to say about this one. Uh. We're of course talking about Marina, I mean Marina Mina Shirakawa with Maria Mayner corner against Anna Jay. And this is going to go back to what we were talking about earlier about thunder Rosa and Tony Storm.
And news broke yesterday that New Japan Pro Wrestling is actually acquiring their sister company, Stardom, So it's not really that big of a deal other than the fact that it's going to make things like International Wrestling and things like that a lot a lot easier. And they have run into conflicts in scheduling between the two companies in the past. Now they're not going to run into these conflicts, so the WGP Women's Championship will not be interfering with the Stardom Championships
and things like that. Okay, So that being said, we have Mina shi Kawa against Anta Jay. Here is my spicy prediction of the night. There's actually a couple here. I would not be surprised if he Mellow showed up tomorrow night to help out a beatdown of Anna Jay by both Mina Shirkawa and Mariah May. But more importantly, I think that what we're going to see is possibly a double or nothing match between as was earlier stated, between
Tony Storm and Chris Statlanders set up. Tony Storm is going to win that match. There is no way in hell that Chris Statlander is going to win a match, especially considering she's not really want a whole hell of a lot in the last few weeks. Okay, Ultimately, what's what I feel is
going to happen, and this is the spicy prediction part. Mina Shirakawa will face Tony Storm at Forbidden Door, and Mina Shirakawa will defeat Tony Storm at Forbidden Door, and for a very brief period of time, you will have a stardom wrestler with the a W Women's World Championship, And like I said, this will open up the door for AW women to go to Japan and
fight for it. I would say Mina Shirkawa will hold that title for about three or four weeks before somebody like thunder Rosa for example, goes over to Japan or here in the United States and and and wins it wins it back. But I do. I think it would be a great gesture and actually a really good move because Minna shi Kawa is over with American audiences already. They love her. How could you not? You know? I think it
would be a great move for a American belt to go to Japan. I agree in just a little while, because look at we had Eddie Kingston had had the Strong Championship, although the Strong Championship isn't necessarily seen as as it's more of an Americanized Japanese belt, but John Boxley has the iw GP. Why not? That's all I'm saying is why not me to Mina shi Kawa is she's a great character. She's very polarizing. She's not like going to be ever be as good in the ring as say it Tam Nakano you know,
or sorry or you know, maybe a couple others. But it's got that big personality that transcends language barriers, and uh, I think she would be a perfect match, a forbidden door for Tony Storm, which they've already started to set up. They already did, but I'll go you one better. I'll go you one better. It starts that build up starts tomorrow night. Because you have mirrorsir Kawa. With my brain's not working with uh, I can't get yeah, miriamey. I'll get there eventually. And Tony is
not gonna like that at all. So I think that Tony's gonna come out and there's gonna start the commentation. They're gonna start two things tomorrow night with that. They're gonna set up the about that you mentioned that the thing, and I agree, I think they should have that. Toime, it seems odd that they've never done that. You to do, don't You don't think it's right? Yeah, because because New Japan has always had their titles here
but we've never had ours there. That makes no sense to me. And and and it kind of goes back to it kind of for me, it kind of goes back to part of the reason why in the old days when we wanted like WWE, this doesn't exist, but WWE wanted to work with other people, but they wouldn't because it was always about WWE. And to me, they're partnering with New Japan and with this, you know that all these other places CML and all those but all we get is the talent.
They don't get anything exchange for that, and it kind of seems odd to me that that's they I agree with you one hundred percent on that. I think that's what they should do. But I think tomorrow night we start Tony's meltdown because Mariah, she's gonna feel that. The whole interaction between Mariah and Nira are are going to start the meltdown for her, and I think that's what's going to end that character when she finally gets beat at at Forbidden Door.
I really hope for it, I really do, because I think interesting, I think I don't see I don't see that character going away because it's a popular character. She won't devolve back into the regular Tony Storm. But I I had to say, I agree with it. It would be great because the Dominoes are now falling into place of a situation where they can trust each other enough to work together with New Japan, and hopefully we do we
do see that and see some more wrestlers come over here. The women's division is great right now, but adding in other players from different countries can help us a lot to really, you know, the mainstream audience does not know New Japan wrestler. We're all, not like Kelson, who knows everything to know about New Japan wrestling. So I don't know a lot about the Japan wrestling at all. I do know about stardom because I love stardom. Yeah, it will start them. I mean, that's what we need. We
need international flavor. We need no more. And for Rush to say, hey, we had the best, and they keep on saying the word we the best wrestle here, Well let's prove it with women's division and that other way that we can compete with international stars as well. Right, well, you know the only other option, you know, I will throw it out is Stephanie Becker, you know from CMML c MLL, who is the iw
GP champion right now. But I don't want to see that belt for belt going with Tony Storm because I just don't want to see like the w Championship on Stephanie and I don't want to see the iw GP Championship on Tony. I would much rather see somebody like Mina Shiri Kawa take the belt to stardom. Who actually, you know, with Rossi Galla starting Mirrorgold, the the roster is a little bit depleted, not too bad, but it is somewhat
depleted, you know, noticeably depleted. Having the aw Women's World Championship and stardom for if it's just a cup of coffee would be a huge deal, and it would make it deal, and it would make it a world title. Absolutely. I thought that was so funny when you had a company that worked in one place call their title a world title because it's not a world title. I'm sorry. WWE title is not a world title because it's only
defended in the WWE. You don't have it go anywhere else. The only one that I can think of that as an actual world title is the new Japan IWGP title because Moxley's had it, you know, it's been everywhere. That title is definitely is definitely a world title because it's actually been defended all over the world. The international title didn't that start as something else and then
because they defended it in the UK, it upgrade. It started as the yeah something like that, yeah, but yeah, yeah title maybe yeah yeah. But these titles are like the uh, the Miss Universe of wrestling. You know, let's face that. The Miss Universe pageant is really cool. I mean I haven't watched it in about twenty five years. But it's really cool. But let's face that, somebody from Earth always wins, grew to rest of the universe. Don't be too surprised about that. Something about that
don't change soon. Told us they're here, so you know, you never know, but immediately wrestling, then you have a universal title. Somebody's gonna come up with a universal title. Well, we're from Venus and that is from Mars. No, wait a minute, no, that is from Venus and I we're from Mars. I messed that up. Wow, yes they're here. Learned to really think about that right now? Man, uh huh no, but I really do. I mean I do think aj Mayshaw they
reunite tomorrow night. Okay. The only thing I gotta say about that is there was a vlog I think it was like this week's vlog that they are in Europe. They were in Italy and Rome on a family trips. So I don't know that there. Actually that might have been last weekend. They might be back now, but that might be they might be out of the country right now. Yeah, Well, things usually a week ahead, so well it used to be a week behind, so uh yeah, we'll see
with her. What makes you think though that is coming back. She's been uh you know, she's has been showing pictures of her working out and she I believe she even made a post about three weeks ago where she says, I'm almost there. Yeah. Energy has kind of just been in the spot where she's there but not doing anything, so that would be at her story. Yeah. I mean, you know, I the women's division for me right now is more interesting than men's division because the men's division has there's not
many options. But with the women's division, when you think about all the people I made a post about it last week. When you look at the uh the TBS Championship picture, you look at the World Championship picture, and even the Serita deeb and uh oh god Sa Deep and Yukaza Kazaki, which gosh, I hope she's okay. Uh thing. There were eleven different women
involved in storylines for two belts and the thing. That's a lot, and they're doing it so well, you know so, and I think that's why you were so down on Dynasty because you know, for me, there was like thick, good to great matches and neither of them, neither of the women's matches were up there. Well now it wasn't even that. Look, here's here's why I was a little bit. Not that I was negative on Dynasty. I did enjoy Dynasty. I just don't think that it lived up
to my expectations. And I think Shad's the Vibe said it the best, right. He said that there were a lot of great moments at Dynasty, and there were there were a lot of great moments at Dynasty. Willow winning the championship was a great moment. Swerve winning the championship was a great moment, you know, the unification of the of the Trio Spelts was a great
moment. You know, things that happened. You know. You can even argue that Chris Jericho's little whatever he's trying to do is a moment as well. The fact of the matter, though, is that you're talking about moments, not matches. The only matches that I've really heard people, you know, Jack Perry showed up as a great moment, but those moments took away
from most of the matches. The only match really that didn't have a moment take away from it was the Osprey and Danielson match, because that match in and of itself was a thirty minute moment match to me, yeah, absolutely, And I get what you're saying, but the only see I just don't
see it that. I don't see that. I see what I get the whole thing, I just don't look at it that way because the only matches that really bothered me in that whole thing was the Kyler Rally, and in that match, that match could have just been not even there, and the the women's and in the main event ending as if the injuries were like, there's just they You could have did that whole pay per view without those three matches and it would have been as good as it was, right, I
mean, three matches were nothing. Let me explain it to you the best way I can six months from now looking back, and you could just probably say, hey, do you remember that Brian Danielson and will Osprey match?
Oh? Hell yeah? Who could forget that? Hey do you remember to Kyle O'Reilly and Roderk strong match, or to Willow Knightingale and Julia hart Maatcher, to Chris Jericho and Hook match, or the you know, Prett Berretta and Matt Sidel match, et cetera, et cetera, and so on and so on there are very fow the twelve matches that took place, there's maybe three, including maybe the Ocada Well not maybe, but I think that I would remember the Okada back match because I really hope that this is the first
match in a series of matches between these guys. Uh, you're not gonna remember for the matches you remember you, I mean, are you gonna remember to match the ladder match between F t R and I think so? I think remember the moment without carry. Oh, I think I'm gonna remember Cash doing that dive through the table. Yeah, the pile driver on the ladder ladder. Yeah, that was a really good match, And I think those
three will be remembered. But yeah, I mean the rest is any any pay per view, you could probably make a part and say that right, and and and it's not so. I mean, I can't even remember any of the damn matches from the last paper. Yeah that was everyone loved that. It was revolution, But yeah, I remember is the one that it was the title changed when Copeland won the title. That's the only one I can remember. And I missed the final part of it because it wasn't even
that was dynamite. Yeah, oh yeah, that was no mine. But you see, it comes down to for me, when it comes to a pay per view, if I get seven matches and four of them are be plus be or better, then it's a successful pay per view. And there were enough moments and good matches. You have at least three very good matches. To me, three very good matches, four good. I mean even like for me, the trios match at the main event of the of the
Zero Hour was a good match. I enjoyed the match, and I will remember that one because I think that it's gonna end up being that's gonna end. I wanted that the ends so different, but we won't go there. I actually wanted to see Billy turn on the acclaim and join his sons that I thought that would have been an amazing part way to do that. But I digress. As Task likes to say, I think it'll be that.
I think it's just that that some of the pay per views gets so hyped that your your people's build up to them sometimes don't exactly meet the expectation. I think the final with the with the the World Championship match and the women's match didn't meet the expectation they were built to and that made it look seem like it wasn't as good as it could have been. By anyway, go hot buys your Pedaico shirt. Join us tomorrow night for all the talk.
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