It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for ignition with the aaw fan Hub podcast team. This is Kelson and Alex. Our usual co host is on assignment eating cheese in Wisconsin, and uh well he'll be back next week. Anyway, let's start the show, and I guess the best place to start off is for me to personally thank Tony Kahn for screwing up the entire Internet. Thank you so much, Tony, Jesus, I wish
you well. You know this is supposed to be it's it's I mean, I don't know what you guys feel about this, but in my personal opinion, this is the whole neck brace thing. Yeah, the Harvey Weinstein thing was kind of a low blow, but Harvey Weinstein did a lot of low blows, no pun intended. Yeah, let's go there. Anyway, Look, it's silly. The whole kfe deck brace thing was silly, stupid.
I don't know how you feel about it, but man, the Internet rustling community lost heir shit over it. Did Tony con take it too far? I think that's the only thing he went overboard was with the and the Weinstein comment that probably could have been left off but I mean it's not like it's not deserved, but you know, it's just I think the whole net brace thing, I thought that was perfect. Yeah, people said there, if you had just stuck with the pepsi thing, the pepsi analogy to coke,
that would have been perfect, but they went there. I think Tony sometimes gets a little pissed about everything that everybody always says about aw and he kind of like, most of the time, let's it go, but this one time he says, you know what, I'm gonna have fun with this shit. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm a moderator at the aw fat subreddit, and by and large the subreddit is just a wonderful place to be. I mean, we have really good discussions both positive and negative about AW.
We welcome it all as long as people could be civil. When he wore that run back brace and put to Harvey Weinstein's name out there in relation to WWE, holy hell, I wouldn't wor stanut on my worst enemy. You wouldn't believe the dumb ass things that people in the Internet wrestling community will say when they feel just a little bit threatened about their baby. Stop crying, it's up. I mean, it's pro wrestling, Like the hell are
you moaning and whining about? You know, look, people are expecting, you know, with all the all the promotion, that aw got a different place. And I want to hear what you guys think about this, that they're ratings are all of a sudden going to skyrocket. I call bullshit on that. They're not gonna skyrocket. It's going to help, it's going to get people interested in it. But it's gotta be something that's ongoing, you
know. But they're gonna have Tony Hannor and a net grace. You need to make sure he's selling it and not moving around his head so much. And he needs to sell it a little bit more. And but what when you listen Okay, when you listen to Pat back, if he would you agree that him and his co host were laughing at the good natured silliness of this whole thing. Yes, you drat me anymore, But I think the
only one that took the wrong way. And when one you try to get it the other the wrong way, we're Bischoff and bob Berat and Cornett. They're the ones that were like, this is so stupid that I'm thinking to myself, Bischoff, you did the same stupid thing thirty five years ago. What the hell are you bitching for it? Shot faster? Yeah, in its core, at its court, wrestling is stupid, it's silly, it's harmless fun. I think that this just proves how much actually the diming was
perfect. If you think about it. Tony knew he was going to be on national TV for three days straight, and they did this perfect. There was no better way to get free publicity. He didn't have to pay for it. Yeah, you know that says right there. I'm kind of surprised though, that the NFL let Tony Kahan wear that eck brace on TV. Well, look, while we're being honest here, look, you brought up Eric Bischoff, you brought up Dudley, you brought up uh yeah, you
brought up those three guys. Okay, these guys sit down and they they literally think to themselves, we're not going to talk about wrestling tonight. We're going to talk about stuff that will rattle, rile up the internet wrestling community. And the sad thing is that people buy into the stupidity. Wrestling at its core is silly, it's stupid, it's entertainment. It's not to be taken seriously. These guys take stupid and silly to a whole other level.
I'm sorry, but if you are a Jim Cornett, Eric Bischoff and whatever Dudley he is, they are performers. That is it. They are performers. They take the silliness and stupidity and the craziness of professional wrestling add to it. That's all they're doing, and people take it so seriously well that that therein is where you lies. The problem is people take them too seriously
because they take themselves so seriously. I think it comes down to with Cornett and Bishoff is that they believe that what they do or what they say should be be all end all of what goes on, and if you don't agree with them, you're wrong. In the heart of things. In the heart of things, Bischoff is a promoter. He's a terrible promoter, right, but he's a promoter. Jim Cornett is a successful promoter. He knows what
he's doing. And I guarantee you that after the shows he sits back and looks at the different comments that are made on Twitter and read it and on YouTube that are attributed to him, and he's like, look at these stupid idiots, because he's like the pied piper. He's leading them into the he's leading him into the ocean to drown. I mean, he has these morons wrapped around his little finger. And I'm sorry, but it's the truth.
I don't understand it because they are so freaking serious about this stuff, and it's like it's it's freaking professor wrestling. But that's what they do. They find something to talk about, like Kevin Nash has been saying it and stuff like like I don't care about your opinion. You're in the past. Oh yeah. They know exactly what to say, you know. And they're entertainers. Jim Cornett is an entertainer, you know. Eric Bischoff thinks she's an
entertainer. Ericshof's a moron. But anyway, because he has absolutely no right to say anything critical about anything, he killed a she's I mean, come on, it's it's a sad reflection on life. Now. This is how people are anymore. They you don't people A lot of people don't form their
in an opinion. They have to find somebody else's opinion to follow. And that's just sadly what problem is a lot of times with society and everything today, and it's just it's it's especially in something that is as as big as it is, but it's not you know what I mean, it's kind of like a small feel to what wrestling is and and there's it's kind of like a small knit I don't want to say a close knit family that is there, but you you're it's more than amplified because of the closeness of the of
the community. You haven't said anything. I want to hear what you have to say. Oh well, I was enjoying listening your heart. Yeah. Yeah. The the Internet is an echo chamber, so yeah, everybody forms their ideas on what everybody else says. But I had a theory about Kenny
Omega coming back and it ties in with Tony Khan. Where if Kenny is going to be the the spokesperson, let's say, for Tony Khan while Tony is injured and can't travel, Suppose that Tony himself is kind of having a heel turn and he is going to and and he is actually doing it now before our eyes, kind of leaning into bad Tony Khan and kind of going down the road where Matthew and Nicholas have traveled before, and Kenny is going to come back and kind of be like, oh, you know, you
all thought I was gonna come here and play nice. You know I'm gonna come in here and run wild at behest of Tony, And you know it's just gonna be a whole lot of nonsense, but in a good way. And I think it's gonna be funny. And I think that with Tony Khan and that neck brace, I thought the neck brace was hilarious. I also
think that he's in a position where he could never win. When he takes the high road and doesn't respond to critics or potshots that are taken by other wrestling promotions, then everyone calls him a nerd and says he's weak minded and he's just spending his dad's money. He doesn't know what he's doing. So then when he gets down and dirty like everyone else does, he's doing too much and he's not a nice guy. So no matter what he does or says, he's not gonna win. If I was him, I would have
talked trash too. I mean, I don't own ae W. I'm just a fan and I've had quite enough of the trash talking of ae W. I go places, and you know, somebody will say, you know, oh you like wrestling because I've got on some independent wrestling shirt or something, and oh yeah, oh well, what else do you watch? Oh? I watch aw? Oh you watch that crap? Yeah for Pete's saying, you know, I'm in I'm in the grocery store, you know, and and that's it gets exhausting. Let alone, you know, being on the
internet. I've avoided the Internet because I know there's a lot of morons on there who were just going crazy over this Tony Kahan stuff. But I know it, I know, I know. I'm kind of hoping though, for like he ol Kenny. I hope he's dyed his hair dark again and he's just gonna be bad. Yeah, Nett, you know, look, you're You're absolutely right about, you know, stand off the internet. Unfortunately,
I can't do it. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people posting on the AW fan hub subreddit, and I'm sure the other subreddits are like this and other fan sites and you know Twitter accounts and whatever. You know, people just flooding them with You guys are pathetic. You know, you know, calling Tony Kan a clown spending his dad's money like you said, things like that, and you know, all that's doing is proving to me and it should be proving to Tony khankause Look, there's no such
thing as bad press. The only bad press is no press at all. There are no reactions at all. You know, just by coming on to just by coming on to a w fan hub to say that y'all are pathetic. Guess what we win, you lose. It's a sim as that you lost. And to the point where you know, you said, you see people and they tell you you watch that crap, keep you ninety nine point nine percent of the people to tell you that have never watched aw and have
no idea what really happens there. They have based on what they see other people say on the internet, or based on what they hear from the jokers that have no clue what they're talking about. And that's the problem, that's where they all. They always do that. Because I've talked to people they say the same exact thing, Well, this is true. If you watch it, no, then shut up. That's simple. It comes down to I have no problem with letting them run their lips to a point. But
my personality is the kind of personality that I'm going to clap back. But I don't ever like I bring back fact. He can't argue with fact. I'm sorry, you can't facts your facts. Yeah, you know what I mean. And you can sit there and say, well, this is stupid. No, no, And he's spending his dad's money. Really, can you prove that? Show me, show me where his dad's money is the one that's funding this. I think Tony's got his own money. You don't care, you know what I mean. Like him and his dad are to
the richest men in the world, so you know. And it comes down to is it's like everything else in any other sector of life, you're gonna have this. Like you said, it's an echo chamber. More people are going to have an opinion that is echoed by everybody else actually doesn't think about or talk about what they're thinking about or look into it. They don't research anything. Yeah, you're going to have that, I mean. And like you said, no press, good press. There is no bad press unless
you're not getting any. However, However, there are people who do think that this is wrong and that Tony Kahan is a clown. And that's okay because when they express their opinion on say the aw fat up subreddit, they actually make an effort to be civil and actually explain why they think that way.
And I have no problem with that whatsoever. Bring it on. I enjoy because if you're if it's just like this podcast we are extremely critical of aw If we got on here for sixty minutes every week and when rah rah rah rah rah aw is great, great, great, that's the show. Good night everybody, we would get a listener in the world, you know what I mean. So, yeah, we're gonna bring it up. But we're not going to sit here and think up, Oh, what's some crazy
scenario that we can come up with tonight the stirred a pot. That's not what we do, you know, And it's simple. You know. I'd like to think that our opinions are honest ones, and our criticisms and our platitudes are honest ones as well. We already know that Tony Kahn has said in k Fabe of Course, that due to his horrific, horrific, horrible neck injury suffered at the hands and feet of Matt and Rip Jackson, that he is not He is not allowed to travel out of Jacksonville. He is
stuck at Jacksonville, you know. So poor Tony. He'll probably be in the the work tomorrow night, you know, but off camera he'll be there. But here's the thing. He has alluded to the fact that somebody's gonna have to step it up, you know. And I'm thinking tomorrow night will
be Kenny Omega. Do you think that this is a one time shot or maybe, you know, not a permanent thing with Kenny Omega, that from week to week we may see other people stepping it up and becoming like the voice of Tony Khan, the voice of Tony Kahan over over the next several dynamites and grand pages and collisions. I could see doing it once or twice involved a lot in the back room. Yeah, but Daniels is currently injured, so I don't know if they would bring him another KF. But we
got a lot of KFE injuries and a w so. But yeah, I don't know. The way they made it sound from what the way I heard it is that he's gonna he's gonna run things from there. He's gonna watch it, you know, live and and he'll be in contact. That way is the way I took what uh Tony was saying on the broadcast Saturday night. But yeah, but what the worst way the inmates will play, right, They're gonna go for here. The The only thing about with Kenny is
if his health is still up in the air. Sure, So you know, it would be great if he's there tomorrow night and he can do that tomorrow night. But I wouldn't count on it being a weekly thing until he's because I'm pretty sure he said he's gonna have to have surgery, so you know that that they're gonna have to come up. I mean, Swerve did kind of intimate towards that the other day on on Wednesday on Wednesday last week when he came out and talked. So, I don't know. It's gonna
definitely be very interesting. You know who i'd like to see do it is Evil Uno. Yeah, I think the natural leader, and I would I would like to see him take over. The Dark Order hasn't been getting to play that. I think that they should anyway. Are they mm hmm? Are they on anything? The Ring of Honor? They've been on Ring of Honor a few times. They've done a few like vignettes that have appeared like on YouTube and Twitter and stuff like that, but as far as wrestling,
they're like once a month group. Yeah, eva Uno has his own thing going on, so he's doing some other stuff, but I would like to see him as the head of any normally been the voice of Tony Kahan. So I'm mad at that. I just don't want, you know, some laptops feeling stuff. But uh yeah, I mean, I mean, I
think it'd be Tony Savanni. I kind of would like to see them alternated between maybe like a babyface one week to a heel the next week, and then baby a baby Face had a heel of being forced to work together to oversee the inmates kind of thing, you know. Eventually, So this also gives a perfect reason for Jericho the Learning Tree to take over. Lord. Do you want me? That's it, I'm muting you. The character he's playing perfect can't perfect opportunity? Are right? Wait the hell out of that
character? You're right. That's the good news is that Tony Kahan has taking all the heat off Jericho, of course now for now, until Jericho comes out opens his mouth. But you gotta you gotta resp it for a couple of days. Yeah, he's okay, sorry, but Jericho's facing at nothing right or that? I don't know, and frankly I don't care now tomorrow does anybody know or care who Jericho is facing at double or nothing? With very many matches for double or nothing yet there isn't. We're gonna find out
tomorrow night who Swerve will face. And they're they're they're setting Jericho's defending against a bushie or not a boushie, but uh yeah against a bus no, no, no, okata, Okay, no, you all keep getting them mixed up. That's the one. This is what we are. That's so so yeah, we'll get I'll say something about that in a minute, because it can lead to interesting about Yeah, once we get to that, I
will say something about it. But let's move on because we are I kind of find this a little bit interesting in that we are going to learn who will face Swearve Strickland at double or nothing. This is another non wrestling segment scheduled for tomorrow night. We already know that will Osprey is facing uh Roderick Strong at double or nothing, so it's not gonna be will Osprey who do you think is going to face Swerve Strickland for the a W World Championship.
Mm hmmm, I have no idea, Paige. No, oh god, oh I does anybody the idea? No? What? What are the what are the rankings right now? Oh? Who see, it's a good idea. Here's the problem with what Tony Kahn has done. Everybody's been so focused on Tony Kahn and the neck brace thing and all the you know lanya that's gone around with that. Nobody's really paying attention to the actual wrestlers this week. It's kind of strange. Maybe so I'm kind of looking forward to this.
Uh maybe maybe to be a shocker like Christie Cage or something like that. Yeah. Maybe it's something something huge that we none of us are are expecting. Maybe it's Ricky started. I believe Ricky Starks is injured right now, so I don't with the learning tree in corner, Oh goodness, is not world championship material? How about Dan House? It has world championship material than Ricky. Yes he does. I'm gonna in a week. Yeah.
Well yeah, well, well we all know. Sleasey, go ahead and say your pick the face if you have two picks too bad to pick to face were strictly for the a W World's Championship at double or nothing, go ahead and say, because I know you're dying too well, the first one in terms of maybe an actual pick I would have to go with, I want to say Orange Cassidy in terms of an actual pick. Now, in terms of my pick, that's right, the greatest wrestler of all time.
Here, here's Griff Garrison, who def is Griff Garrison. Hem, smash him. It's gonna be great. Wait, how about J I just swallowed my tongue. Well, that actually did bring up m JF, which he's actually out getting more shoulder surgery. I believe I'm tired of everyone in their surgeries. Come on, guys, we probably won't see NBF until this time next year. If we're lucky, I mean, where you can do and exploding mard wire death match and do a match the next day. There you
go. Well, you know, look, I you know that you've been like a good point. I just posted not long ago, like an hour ago. I posted on the aw fan up subredd at a list of the injuries that have wrestlers out. And if you look at that list, of injured a W wrestlers, and there's also some non injury people that are out
due to like suspensions and things like that. But if you look at that list of injured a W wrestlers, I swear to you that if you were going to start a promotion tomorrow, you would say, oh yeah, give you that list, and I can make a good, a great promotion out of that. That's how good Aw's roster is. That the people that aren't able to wrestle are better than a lot of better than you would expect. Is what I wanted to say. You can actually start a promotion with the
injured wrestlers. Of course they're injured, so they would be able to wrestle to your promotion to just fall apart right away. But you know, I read that person thought the exact same thing. This would be one hell of a way to start a new a new wrestling federation. That's a hell of a list. It is really the we're going to start a dow fash the infirmary. Oh lord, Buddy Matthews, he could fight. No, Well,
I think it's gonna be Jack Perry. Jack. I'm kind of if they do something with Jack Perry, I do think that there's a strong chance it could be Jack Perry And if it was Jungle Boy, whatever pay per view it is, I will buy it. I will somehow go into debt to buy a pay per view to watch mm hmmm mmm, because once again, once again Sleazy wants to have Jack Berry's baby. H I don't know. I really don't find the rankings. I don't know whether that's they just
need to drop the obviously don't mean anything any announce for blood. Yeah, Eddie Kinkston going for the a W World Championship. That's a that's a banger. It comes down to this, who you are such a good judge of characters, who has who has stooded with over the last on this run to get into the title that he could wrestle Now, not really anybody left, so they got to start over all brand new with that because they're not going
to give a rematch. So you know some moo Joe's not going to be there hanging out the next one, but he's out for a family reason or whatever. So unless he comes back, which he could, he would be one that could do it. But I think it's going to be the e VP choice and it's going to be a Jack Perry thing. Yeah, it could be, that's my opinion. It could be Jay White. You know, the fact of the matter is you don't want to put somebody like look,
here's why. Here's what I look at it. Okay, Swerve just won the championship and he's not going to lose the championship at double or thing. So you don't want to put somebody that is really, really hot, whether it's in ring or doing promos or storyline against swear Strickland, just to have them lose and fade away into the darkness. That's one reason why I don't think like that Jack Perry would be a good choice. Kind of.
I wouldn't want to see Jay White either, because he's already wrestled for the aw championship and lost. Yeah, so it's I don't know, I really don't know. Claudia loses to everyone. Claudio is like a taller Serpenteico these days. But here's the thing. But here's the thing. He gave. That match between him and Swerve the other night was an amazing match. Yeah, absolutely, But at the end of the day, well I get that, and like you said, he's not he's not losing it double or nothing.
So you want to have somebody who will do what Claudio did. He'll go into the match, he'll give you everything he can get. He'll make Swerve look like the greatest wrestler of all time and he'll lose. Yeah, well, it's it's going to be the staff all the spoiler alert. So oh it's a boss. No no, no, no, no, no, no no no w W Championship champion there ever was because they tell about it, it's going to be the other guy. He's the other one they let lo. I can't, man, I don't wasn't enough to remember,
uh, the Indian guy there you go. Oh, that's why I meant I don't know why I'm thinking Wait ante, Yeah, have I mentioned before that I'm an idiot. That's why I meant to say it was all but I stop a cave cave my mind out of my mouth. So anyway, you know that you brought up buddy Matthews and we've got a match tomorrow night where Adam Copeland is going to be facing one of the members of the House
of Black. I personally believe that it's going to be Adam Copland versus Malachi Black at double or nothing, and that they're going to use Buddy Matthews and Brody King to wear down Adam Copeland over the next few weeks, two or three weeks still, so that he's sufficiently beat up. I look for Adam Copeland to get the snot beat out of him without any regard for windsor lawses, meaning that the House of Black member that does face them tomorrow night is
just going out there to try to cripple Adam Copland. I think that's the storyline that they're going to go for, you know, just to kind of weaken them, weaken him like they did with Orange Cassie in this first run where he got to stop beat out of him and made him such an underdog even though he was the champion, you know, and then he had to pull out the win, you know, seventy two times or whatever. He did good. But what do you think do you think that I'm right?
Do you think that the goal here is Malachi Black and Adam Copeland at double or nothing. You got to do your favorite man, stay out of my damn head. Well, when you've got two people sharing the same brain cell, as I did say last week, it's not that hard. I mean, come on, yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that's what's going to happen. I think it's going to be the beginning. I think I actually think Malachai is going to win that title. Ship
will passed you for a win. Yes, I agree, and it would I think. I mean, I don't know how everybody else feels, but I kind of think that it would really elevate Malachi Black to have the TNT Championship and it really wouldn't do anything to hurt out of Copeland to lose it because he's already lost it at what thirty six seconds or whatever it was the
last time you lost it. Well then, and then somebody asked a question somewhere about they were talking about something had to do with who they would want to see do something, and they said, where is Christian? They kind of just like completely eradicated that whole faction with that loss. Nobody none of them have been seen in aw since they're rebuilding for something. So but but
basically, you've taken away any momentum that that patriarch thing had. Now they've been gone for almost three weeks now, and let me let me ask you this suthing. We have a dynamite in Canada, and I've already said that, uh that the House of Black is probably going to do everything in their power to cripple Adam Copeland, you know, leading up into what I believe
is the match between he and Mile Kay Black at double or Nothing. Do you think we may see Christian come out possibly and help save Adam Copeland do nothing leading to it? Nope, I don't think it'll happen to a double and nothing. I think he'll be if they they kind of gotta get you can't just leave, I mean while you can, but then that's WW too much WW like where they just completely let it go and don't do anything to
finish it because the patriarchy hasn't been finished yet. They hanging. It's dangling out there with no end. They need to do something with that. They don't need Adam Copeland to do that. They don't need the House of Black to do that. They can do that on their own. They can have it's dangling like Adam Copeland's nuts when Mama Mama and has a hockey stick YEP, I get it. Yeah. Plus the Spike, I mean, I mean Spike would have hurt really bad. Yeah, but for a month.
I mean, come on, now, he's been hitting them nuts enough times playing hockey and and ladder matches and everything else that they've done over the years together. I think he's I think he I think there's time to They've got to do something with that. Okay, hockey for the Toronto Yes, so sleazy. What I think what we should do is we should call Adam Copeland, get try to get in touch with Adam Copland. See if you can get get Spike off with him. Borrow Spike for a day and hit El
Sutton and the nuts with it, and see how long he's out. I don't think that's happening thing. I've got enough physical problem on the shoulder. I'm out for I'm out for days. Man, Oh my god. So no, I mean, I get it, But it's it's you know what I mean, there's just you. It's to me, it's there's no clue you're on that you had him lose. He got injured, and you've seen none of them, not Lucasaurus, not the boy, not the mom, nobody, nothing, not a word heard from him. They haven't talked about
the boy. That's the one point that. It kind of gets on my nerves, is they made him out to be such a great wrestler, and the boy anyways less than I do he will be. He is getting there. I mean, he's he's better off than a lot of them when they start out. But I don't know, I see that. I think that over the next few weeks, uh, I mean, there's a lot of ways he can do it, But I think over the next few weeks they're going to end up having Christian. He's gonna come back. He's going to
have a meltdown or some kind somewhere along the line. And at the double or nothing pay per view, Copeland's going to be getting the crap kicked out of him. He's gonna lose the title. Then they're gonna start beating the shoot out of them after the magic and that's when he's gonna come out. And that's how they're gonna cook those two up. That's just the way I got it going, right. Well, does anybody else have anything to say about the Adam Copeland and versus The House of Black saga? You know?
So let's move on to Oh God, here we go, The Learning Tree, Chris Jericho versus Kattiori Shabata. I don't really have anything to say about this other than other than to say earlier today I made a post a poll actually on aw faed hubs subreddit, and the question in the poll was it was, uh, now that the trio's titles have been unified, thank God,
what should a W do with their titles going forward? And the and the the The selections were unify the international and continental titles, retire the FTW title at a woman's tag team title, all of the above, None of the above and well other only got three votes, so we're not even going to talk about that, but by a pretty decent margin. Surprisingly retired the
FTW title. I don't know if that has to do with just simply because Jericho has it, or if it's because the ft W title is whatever you know, you know, but most of the votes went to retire the FTW five title, and a lot of votes went to all of the above, meaning that people want to see women's tag team titles and the unification of the international and continental title. You know. With that, So my question to you guys is, first, let's talk. You know, I want to
hear your thoughts about this match. And the Learning Tree also want you to you know, hear your thoughts on it. Are we We've heard it a loose before throwing the FTW Championship into the garbage can and setting it on fire where it belongs, it needs to stay out. I'm not a fan of the belt itself because it doesn't have purpose, but I like what Jerich is dealing with it because it's for the world. But they eventually and Heed died
out. I don't know why the keep and bring it up and Hook keeps on having it and having it not because if Hook's gonna actually be somebody in aw he has to get rid of that belt and has to quit hanging around his father's legacy is a great legacy, yes, but just like a lot of the other guys, they have to step away from their dad and be somebody by themselves. And Hook will never be that unless he drops the FTW title. Oh he's no longer the FTW title holder anymore, Jered, Well,
he'll get him back. Yeah, I agree with it, don't Yeah? I agree. I don't want to see it. I want Jericho to be the last ft W Tyrell titled. I don't think that's ever gonna happen. I think it's actually put in in uh as his contract that f t W TREDI will be in AW as long as he's there. I kind of
think so too. That's pretty uh conceited of him to do if that's part of If that's part of his contract, well, I and and it's and it's more or less it's a way to I think they did it because it harkens back to the old ec W in a way and gives them a connection to that history, which plays into what Tony Coln loves about wrestling anyway. So I don't know. I kind of like the f T T TW title, but uh, I don't know. It's just it's one of those things
where if it's there, it's there. If it's not, it's not. Well, I'm not gonna make or break aew. Well, I'm gonna have to disagree with first off, the fifteen people who voted on our subreddit poll and everyone who's saying the FTW title should be retired. Hold on here, did you just say fifteen people voted on the the subreddit poll. Well, the fifteen people who voted that the FTW Championship should be retired, I wait, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. Did you
just say fifteen people voted on the retirety. I think you may need to refresh your browser there, buddy, dude, I said the fifteen people who voted for the FTW Championship to be retired on our pole. I understand that, But a lot more than fifteen people voted for the ft W Championship to be retired. Is what I've told you. You need the refresh browser. Okay, Well, however many people voted on the bubble. I disagree. Yeah, I disagree with all them, like as as I'm pretty sure it
was someon who said it before. I don't know. I'm working on a gray screen right now, but Sutton just said that we have that ECW connection with the FTW Championship. And I don't know about you guys, but ECW back in the day was pretty good. It had all that extreme wrestling and stuff. Don't we like extreme wrestling? Don't we like having that connection to extreme wrestling? And doesn't AW feel a lot like extreme wrestling right now?
I'm feeling it's pretty extreme right now. And the words of Elsa let it go never Yeah, hard disagree with you there. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. AW is its own entity. It's combining a bunch of stuff from the past and the new stuff. It does have elements of the WCW. It does have elements of ECT because that all came from well, not the ECW, but the WCW has a history with the connections to the TV and where they're at right now and the people that the people who are in
like Tony Shavanni and even with JR. And that because your worked there for a while. It's a good thing to have in some ways because it gives you that connection. But AW is AW. There's they they don't compare to anybody else. They're doing things that have never been done before, like having the best men's roster that's probably ever been assembled in one in one company,
getting the women's division up to that point too so. But it does give you that little bit of a way in because honestly, ECWWCW got treated like shit by WWE, and it's another way to dig a little bit at what a what WCW or WWE did and that's something that you know they that's a way for them to do that. That's just where it seemed like to me, I kind of was like, I think I even posted it. I
think they should just leave it all alone right now. Yeah, you're one of those three people that said leave it alone, right And honestly, the reason I say that is they've got so many things that are going on right now that it let it go for the time being. Get through the to the builders up and through to all in, get to that, get through forbidden door, get you all in, and then maybe have a women's tag team division and then maybe have the combination of the two and get rid of
FTW. But until then, there's so much stuff going on right now that just adding more onto it could make it. It could weaken the overall picture. T in away. No one will notice, so well he would notice. The point is. The point is here's a point that I'll make. Okay, when aw is original or tries to be original, that's when people talk. Let's look at the Continental Classic tournament that they did. That got talked. They got a lot of talk. Okay, this is probably the
most we've ever talked about the FTW belt ever on this podcast. So we've been doing this for a year. We don't talk about it because it's it's not worth talking about. You know, it's not what It's not at the level of the TBS Championship. It's not the level of t n T certainly not the level of the not even the trios. It's the lowest of the lowest level belts that isn't it's not even unrecognized. But sure it's nostalgia.
It's the stallsia. But guess what nostalgia doesn't bring new viewers in. Doing something original and exciting brings new viewers in championships never going to be exciting. Well, hopefully Tony Khan can do some original extreme wrestling if we're gonna be tiring in anyway, you know, I feel like you go ahead. I'm
talking about ECW levels of extreme. When they had that FTW rules match, did you see how many times we were like, you know, well, I mean, I know that I'm taking a chant from the bucks here, but I'm pretty sure most of us sensible people or like please make care paulp like, like, come on, man, that that FTW rules match was pretty good and and and and it just you know, like the wrestling part was good, the extreme part was gone awful. I thought it was fine.
I mean, I mean the tinfoil garbage can bit has been overdone. We have had some amazing extreme matches in a W, sure, but that the uh the the the light to a couple of different lights out matches, A couple of matches I thought someone was gonna die was a great example of what's that were versus Hangman too was a great example of that where they went to war and it looked good and that reminded me of Terry Funk and then
that and that's a great tribute to c W if you want one. But they don't need a title that I have been title, but never was a title be hanging around and say look at me. I look I look cool, but I have no you know, I have no purpose. The only way I am ever going to accept that the ft W Championship is game retired is if it gets a full on storyline that goes before it has is like
I'm retiring this belt. Yeah nobody cares now. Yeah. See. My thing is is like after this match which Jericho will win, Kenny Omega comes out, takes the belt, throws the dreshkin of lights on. That's it. I thought that the belt was like some secretive outlaw belt. So yeah, they could do something with it, like like hold secretive matches that you know exactly that gets it. Yeah. Yeah, they aren't like, you know, talked about you know, it's it's kind of quiet thing. I
don't know. That's the way to bring excitement to the show is by doing something that's secret. And yeah secret Billy Billy Billy the Kid is dead and so is the ft W Championship. You know, I don't know about you guys. I live. I live for those those like the EVPs are great at it. They never have to talk. All of their subtle looks and glances, all that kind of stuff. I think it's fantastic. TAZ could
be doing all that kind of stuff anytime FTW. Just give a little sideways look and if you know, you know, maybe you follow them on social media and find out some things about the FTW matches. You know who else you should follow on social media? The AW fanhub follow our social media is today. Well, thank you for that plug. I honestly though, I mean maybe one of the issues is that since day one, I have not cared about FTW and I will never care about FTW, So maybe that makes
me a little jaded. So I was never into e c W myself. I you know, tas Haas has had a decent one other place, but I just I just don't see the need for it. I don't think if you did a worldwide thing about how many people actually how many thanks I actually cared about it? I bet it would be slim. I really do. I don't think people care enough the page into it. And like I said before, Cook needs to get away from that title and be his own man,
and maybe it is better for him to do it. Well that's totally n x T. Well, well it shook the problem because he's he's he's struck with his dad. I mean he has to move away from task. Has a little successful wrestler who's who's use his dad is a correct is Cody Rose. So I mean everybody else has to at some point move away and and be either on man. If he can't do that, you know I would disagree with that because Hook hasn't hasn't used I mean, he's held the
f tt ft W title. He hasn't gotten any help from his dad. Even when he's having this thing with Jericho, He's not getting any help with his dad. From his dad. He is his own man. The FTW title isn't a legitimate title, so that's what's holding him back. He has nothing to do with him being involved with his dad. He has a staying out of it, a good job of stayed out of it. I will give him that. I don't think he's had anything to do with with anything
that that Hook. I mean, you know it's gonna be the same thing in the back politics or politics. He's gonna be pushing the help to get him some stuff. But when it comes down to it, Book's done what Hook's done on his own your game that time and it still be relevant. I mean it goes back, it goes Hamburger Stars and Jack Curry had it.
You know, it's gone back and forth and back and forth, and then at some point you need to put him a tag team and put a title on him there or put him on the T and T. But he has to evolve from just being the outlaw title guy. Well, look, unless they actually book an interesting match consistently, not just one every once in a while, but do a consistent match, do you have to do the FTW title matches would be commesurate to two bules fighting over a daisy peers.
You know, That's the way I look at it. So let's move on to the last match of the night. It's not gonna be the main event, but it's the last one to talk about how I actually kind of find this to be kind of an interesting matchup. It's Mariah May and Serena d both of them high in the ranking, and uh, this could have some ramifications here. I mean, Serena deeb is issued a challenge. You know
how Mariah May is tight with Tony Storm. Kind of like to see Mariah May versus Tony Storm, kinda like to see Serena Deep against Tony Storm. Well, I think, well, I think Serena Deeve should definitely get the win over Mariah May, because I mean, first off, isn't Mariah May
like very young and stuff like that. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Serena Deeve's like what forty She has a lot of angring experience, and I feel like a match between her and Tony Tony Storm is going to be a pretty good match, and I feel like she's going to be a pretty solid champion for the AW World Championship, especially as he is deemed the Woman of a thousand
holes. Like there's just so much you can work with with Deean right now, Mariah May, she's just Tony storms lack dog right now, you know, like like like the evil little pet that you have on your lab and it's like that's just all she feels like right now, Serena, Deeve has something. And that's saying something coming from somebody who hasn't been able to watch the show for months because I've been busy with college. But uh, yeah, that's what I say. That's fair, that's fair. You left that
one piece to the puzzle, mir miror Shira Cowell. I see, I don't see dee I mean Deep might beat Mariah. She's not winning the title, not yet anyway, It's not gonna happen. Tony's gonna keep the title until all in, And honestly, I think there's gonna be a surprise opponent there. We're kind of along the same lines, but we're a little bit
different. Who else has an opinion about this? I don't know, Well, you don't know as an opinion, what about your I don't have an opinion on this, but I mean, who's so, what is the main event? Is my question I would have if I had to pick a an event, I would go out of Copland versus one of the members of a Well. Look, when it comes to Mariah May, I agree with both Sutton and Sleazy on this because you both made good points. Diva is a
veteran. She will probably put on uh. She would probably be the on paper for most the better opponent. But I'm going to say this and just may get some booze, but Mariah May is a better wrestler right now than Serrina Debaz Boom. She really is. I mean, she's got she's got more athleticism, she's got you know, while Serita Deeb is a is a technical wizard, Mariah May is more entertaining, She's got, you know, the stardom touch's she's athletic, she's smooth. I would say that Mariah May.
Here's the thing, this is something I don't know. If you were to rank the top five wrestlers in the aw Women's division active not injured right now, I would definitely put Mariah May in that top five. I would not put Serita deeb in that top five. I'm not putting to any storm in that top five. I would not either. Yeah, it would be uh. Like I said, the problem I'm having with this whole thing is they made the mistake of allowing Tony to make that match for Forbidden Door with
mirashir Kawa. That shouldn't never happened. I know, what's that? Did you just say filler season? No, they should I said they they had a setup at these when Tony went to Stardom for a setup between her and Mirror, shirk Kawa to having mass is most likely going to happen at Forbidden Door. They got ahead of themselves because that makes people were starting to go, well, you've got this and you haven't interacted, but they're not.
It's it's adding to like I said earlier, there's too much confusion in the women's division right now. You've got so much stuff going on at the same time that it gets weird because you had Miraorirkwa in the ring the other day,
Tony's in the ring with her and they didn't interact at all. You've got Mariah interacting with Mirror like they used to be in Stardom, yet it's not causing any issues for Tony, and it don't make any sense throwing deep in the mix is just weird even further because does Dee deserve a title shot? Probably? Is she going to get the title shot? Probably not. She might get double or nothing. Is there a story behind the title shot?
Not really? No, I mean if not. So you know, you have the ultimate storyline there is pure Kawa, Marame and Tony Storm. You have the perfect triangle there. You can run it from now until then because you've got double or nothing where you can have you can have Tony meltdown, which we've been saying forever. So I I you know, somebody mentioned
somewhere in the suburb about the women's divisions gotten so much better. Actually really hasn't because you've got more people there, but you still have the same six girls that are involved in Rest and in the in the storylines, there's nobody else involved. You had the Statlander Willow Heart, and then you've got Tony, Mariah and thunder Rosa and Thing. There are six people seven and that's it. You don't have any of the other people coming into it. Yet.
Now you're throwing in uh Willow with Money for a title that probably Money really doesn't need to have that title because she should be involved in the Women's Championship instead of the other. But that's where they're starting her, So, I mean they've got a lot of things they need to work out in the
women's division. I just think this whole deep thing is kind of like a I think it should have happened after well, Well Dee would certainly be a better champion the Mercedes Mom name, because you would just stand around there,
ce ceo instead of actually putting on a quality match. Well, as I said before, you're correct, is that Mariah May and Tony Storm and Mina Shirakawa are very much embroiled in a storyline, but Serita deeb inserted herself kind of out of nowhere in it. And I don't want to see a kind of out of nowhere match at Double or Nothing. I want to see a storyline match at Double or Nothing. You know, that's a pay per view match. I could see maybe Serita Dee you know, next week on Collision
fighting Tony Storm, you know, for the belt. That's the kind of I don't think that's a pay per view match, And I hate it because I really do like Serita de but I don't think it's been set up as a pay per view match. Now we still have what three and a half weeks before Double or Nothing actually hits. That may or may not be plenty of time to actually get a storyline going. But even then I just don't
see it that it is. It'll be rushed. You've been investing the time in the Mari in the Mina Shirakawa and Mariah May storyline with Tony Storm, so why not explore it to its fullest because it doesn't have to stop with
one match, It could keep going. I express my opinion that that it should be even if it's a three way, it should be Mina Shirakawa winning the winning the title at Double or Nothing, taking it back to stardom, so that it gets gets a little bit of a the start up a little bit of a boost because Maror Gold is starting up around that time at the
same time that Double or Nothing happens. I believe May twentieth is when Maror Gold starts, so this will be having an AAW World Championship Belton startup will really really really boost stardom. Then you have at Forbidden Door. Then you have Mina shir Kawa defending your title against whomever, whether it's Tony storm Mariah b Sriita Deeb. That's when you do it, you know, and and she could lose the title then, But I just I don't want to see
a rushed Women's a W World Championship match. And I'm sorry, but I don't think three weeks there's enough time to get Serena Deeb. You know, the interested Mariam would get. It would definitely be easier to develop Serena Deep. Why do you say that because have you have you seen Maria May Russell? No, I said Mercedes Monette? Oh yeah, you cut out there. Have you seen Mercedes Monet Russell in the last two years? Here here's
how I think alonger lines of the whole stardom thing. Actually, I think Mariah May should beat Deep this week, and you could use that as a way to for Deep to start questioning herself because she's supposed to be the professor. And maybe because of Mariah's affiliation in the past with stardom, Deep could go there to learn about and learn from that and do something with that, maybe get her in there, and then she can come back later on and
they can do a full on storyline involving all that. Something along those lines. You know, as a guy, i'd I actually like to hear what Nat says about this. I hate to put you on the spot, debt, but how's a guy? You know, I think a lot of I kind of feel like what a lot of people see Mariah May. They look her at the you know, maybe like the sexy, blonde and hard to take seriously kind of character. But the fact of the matter is, Mariah
May is a damn good professional wrestler. She's technically sound, She does the best drop kicks in ae W by far, and nobody will convince me of otherwise that, you know. You know, I think people forget that Brian May is a damn good wrestler. I think so too. I think that happens to a lot of women wrestlers, not just her. But I think she is very good, and yeah, I see her going very far in a W if she so chooses. So yeah, I think she should be
recognized more for her for her talent than her looks. But yeah, you know, I mean several women that have had belts at AW that Maria May is a better wrestler. I think so too. She's better to Julia Hart, She's better than uh Willow Nightingale. Yeah, you know, she's better, you know, as far as I I don't want to say it, but she's pretty equal with like somebody like a Chris Statlander. I think they
both have their strengths and weaknesses. Yeah, you know, you know, but you know, come on, you know, I think she's better than thunder Rosa. Mm hmmm. I think she's better than Britt Baker. Yeah. I can't stand Britt Baker. So yeah, oh, you know, you see, what I'm saying is that That's what I'm saying is that she's a damn good wrestler. She's not just a you know, a cute blonde. She's a she's she's got talent. Yeah, that's why I think she's
going to beat Deep tomorrow night. And and that's gonna again. There's just so many things that they could do with this storyline. Well here, look, somebody mentioned so somebody mentioned that Serena deeb is pushing forward. She's actually thirty seven. So maybe this is the time to give Serenade but a little shot at the championship gold, you know, and give her the spotlight. But at the same time, I believe my Mariah May is only twenty five,
which means she's got plenty of time, but injuries happened. I think you gotta take take advantage of Maria May why you've got her, you know, and get her in the championship picture. Not saying give her a belt, but make give her that shot too, so you can argue both ways. Put some eyes on it. No, while we're talking. While we're talking about this, I was having a discussion with another wrestling friend and I thought i'd bring it to the podcast before it and it relates to Serena deeb.
One of my fantasy matches is Serena wrestling Danielson, and I would love to see it, and I don't think that we would see it on TV because it seems that at least American audiences have issue with intergender matches, and some places in America have problem with women's wrestling. So it's unfortunate because I've seen some darn good intergender matches and I would love to see the two of
them wrestle. I think that Serena is an excellent wrestler. That doesn't mean that Mariah May or anybody else isn't I, you know, I just I think she is and I would really love to see her wrestle Danielson. So have you seen like the likes of like Chris Statlander and all that wrestling the men move on? I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, there's some really good intergender matches out there. If you know anybody's looking for them, you can find them. They were good matches.
They weren't like, oh this is stick and stuff like that. Right. Again, the problem comes in in our society. That's considered abuse. That's what that's why it's looked at. That's why you won't see it in our American culture. That's not going to happen. It's not looked at like other places. They have those matches in Japan all the time. Yeah, and they have some really damn good matches, like you said, Kelsey, but I just never see that. I mean, they could do it in
Indy. Yeah, they do it in Indies. It'll never be on TV like that though. I mean they've been doing them for how long and like WW did them and it's always you got to have the girl come in when the girl tags in. So I would love to see it when you know the Statlander could do it. I'm pretty sure de would give that would be a hell of a match. Speaking of a hell of a match, did you guys, any of you guys see the Machi you know, Murder Grandpa
match? Yes, Grandpa was on. It was it was not an a w but Machi you know, and Murder Grandpa did a match, and that was just pure silliness and entertainment. I mean, Machiedo was crying, the referee was crying. Burder Grandpa was just like Murder Grandpa. And I love the end of it where after the match, Murder Grandpa won and then Machio flipped him off and he grabbed her by the bird the middle finger and dragged her out of the ring and up the ramp and back to the locker room.
It was just a perfect ending. But yeah, that was a Schnick match. That was total stick, you know. But you have the way they could do one on TV. But the problem there is you got to get the network to agree. You remember when I think it was Adam Cole got handcuffed to the ropes and Britt Baker came in to try to save him, and she got like a she got like a per nose crushed or something by accident. Yeah, oh my god. On the nine had the domestic
abuse survivors there and they got in all that trouble. It was just it was, look, you know, they can't risk that kind of stuff. That was and even though they tried to play it off rightfully, so you know, people were crying abuse and stuff like that, and I'm like, oh my god, you cannot give the Internet wrestling community any kind of ammunition to come down on anything you do. It's like, you know, here's some free ammunition. Go yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're go
ahead. My favorite thing he was saying, give an ammunition stuff. My favorite thing was when uh Jericho and the guy from g c W had their match and they had a pizza cutter and then right after that they were the dominance commercial during en during the Remember that that was funny. Yeah, oh my god. There's a lot of ironies in wrestling, isn't there There is a lot. Well, well, look in the end, as just enjoy to run, just enjoy to show, you know, That's that's the way
I look at it, though. You know, it's it's a show. It's entertainment. Whether you want to believe it or not, that's up to you because hey, for me, it's real. Damn it, No it isn't. But anyway, you know, I just it's fun to talk about spoiler, spoiler anyway. It's like, but no, you understand what I'm saying, right, It's it's it's it's a post that be fun and just enjoy the ride. It's fun to fantasy book what you would do if you
were in charge of the shows, you know. And it's it's fun to criticize when something isn't done that you think something's done that you think that could have been done better, or something isn't done at all and you're wondering, why the hell did they not do this? You know, so you know, and then it's fun, you know, to kind of say, does anybody really care about the FDW belt And here sleazy say, hell yeah, everybody does, you know, at least I do you know kind of thing.
You know, it's you know, the entrances, the flamboyancy, the entertainment, it's all there. Just enjoy it. I'm so serious, gosh, I mean, look, Jim Cornett plays a character, Eric Bischoff. I don't he is a character, but I think he's just out there.
I'm playing a character. We're all playing a character kind of. It's weird, you know, because when you talk to to somebody on the on our subreddit, it's not the same way you would talk to somebody if he was talking face to face with them, and that's the way you should talk. Yeah, no, need to try and take it seriously like certain people. Did you just say something about an alcoholic? I don't know. I don't know what he's saying. That's like, yeah, my ears are bleeding and
I have no idea what he said. Yeah, I think he said something about cult of alcoholics. Ah, I don't know. Whatever. I cannot wait for Dynamite tomorrow night just to see how they address this. It's gonna be a join us on our live chat tomorrow night on the aw fatum subreddit chat rooms. It's gonna be a blast, I think. And maybe we'll actually get some matches announced for a rampage. Who knows, maybe they announce of them already during the podcast. We'll see. But anyway, this is
Kelson. Good night, everybody. Night, y'all,