This is the identity at the center podcast. This is a show that talks about identity and access management and making sure you know who has access to what? Let's get started. Welcome to the identity of the center podcast I'm Jeff and that's Jim. Hey Jim hey Jeff. How's it going pretty. Good yourself, good. I've got a Confession to make so or lunch? Yeah. For lunch today, had buffalo cauliflower and I liked it Buffalo college. So is that just cauliflower with
like wing sauce on it basically? Well, there was a breading shell and it was quite wonderful. And, you know, I mean, if I ever did become a vegan, that would definitely be either. Use it everyday for every meal. You know, we have a restaurant around here that does bang bang, cauliflower, which is Basically the same thing. It's like lightly breaded cauliflower with basically wing sauce on it, but I didn't have
that for lunch. I had a deconstructed chicken pot, pie, courtesy of my wife and the leftovers that we had from last night, which was absolutely fantastic. Yeah, well, my meal want to show that you care about you. If anybody's out there is vegan or playing to go vegan, you can do it in an unhealthy fashion. If you'd like, yeah, you can deep fry. Anything is what? I've what I've come to understand. You know, the deep-fried, Snickers.
Hers Oreos, deep fried green. Beans are really good actually. So yeah, you can make anything you want as healthy, or as unhealthy as you want, we're recording on hump day. So you have to find some way to kind of get over the hump. And that was it for me. Well, not only is it a hump day? It's, you know towards the end of the year I'm planning on hitting on vacation, hopefully, sometimes towards the end of next week. It's going to be our last show of the year or for the podcast itself.
So You know, hopefully, we leave on a good note here, I'm sure we will. We had some, some great episodes throughout the year and this will be. This will be it for us in 2020 and will see you guys again in 2021. But before we get too far along, because I don't think anyone wants to hear about our lunch habits and our culinary desires. Why don't we talk a little bit about privileged? Access management, are you cool with that if that fits into the theme of this being an?
I am podcast so sure. Well you know we try so to help us with that conversation. We do Have a guess we've got Katie mccroskey, she's the director of Knowledge Management and training at psychotic. Welcome to the show. Katie, thank you for having me. What did you have for lunch? I had a breakfast sandwich actually sausage or bacon. Bacon American cheese, not chatter, of course. Yeah. All right, I guess you could stick around, I can eat anytime of day.
So with with, with our lunch out of the way, why don't we talk about your background? Katie before we get into some some Sexy. Pam talk. Maybe we can talk through what your background is and you I am space. How did you get into? I am? Is it something that you chose or did it choose you? I am chose me actually I call it. The Luck of the Irish. I stumbled into it. I'm actually an MBA by trade.
I applied to join a small psychotic startup almost 12 years ago at the time we were actually A focused on helping organizations build software. So there was an agile focus and a Consulting practice. We did have secret server as a product and a few other products. But at that time it was more of an Ops tool.
Interestingly enough secret server in some of our other products were born from our own needs and as the product capability is matured and the organization changed became more and more of a focus for identity and access management. And for me being an MBA I joined psychotic not knowing what a
server was. So I really needed to teach myself and understand the market and all the different new tech terms and Concepts. I was learning and being introduced to working at a security software company. So yes, I very much stumbled into identity and access.
That, that story is almost hard to believe because Katie we Interacted with you on on a couple of calls and you're very technical now, very capable and I just assume that you're installing servers when you were like six years old, or some things but interesting, my, you know, when I first heard about psychotic and found out, they had a product called Secret Service. Like, oh, that's so funny. I used to work with a product called secret server and it was
awesome. Well, it turned out, it was the same product and You know, I was using it to manage Windows service accounts, way back in the day. I couldn't give you an exact year. But yeah, that's how that that's really from that, that product which was, you know, price try just for like a, you know, a specific use case. It's really become kind of a Enterprise, Pam solution, not any kind of commercial for psychotic, but that just was my own personal experience with
secret server. So, anyway, Katie one of The things that I thought we could, maybe kind of talk about today is more or less of like a privileged access management 101 for those of those of our listeners who are, you know, not steeped in privileged access management, maybe start off with kind of some of the bread-and-butter use cases like shared account management, service accounts session monitoring and you know session elevations. So maybe kind of talk us through.
From the basic bread and butter 101 stuff for privileged access management. Sure. I think a lot of it often starts with vaulting, right? Just kind of a secure place to store and then of course, delegate access ought to access privileged access. I think traditionally, folks, look at the infrastructure, you look at local administrative privileges domain privileges shared accounts, service accounts.
Any type of database networking infrastructure accounts that they want for their controls on now, it doesn't always have to be very complex things. Sometimes I preach about simple, security steps. I can exponentially increase in organization's overall security posture. So for example, a password, right?
Having a long password. So 50 characters, 100 characters, completely random and rotating that password every Week every day, every hour, things like that are really the core use cases of privileged access management. Now, once you start to get into, you know, more security driven, initiatives, or on the flip side, more audit and compliance initiatives, that's where things like monitoring video.
Monitoring key logging proxy. Jump box, jump server type of Technologies. And then if you are on the audit and compliance, that's where reporting and analytics and those types of details really are important. So just a few of those core use cases and core components that organizations look to when they think about privileged access
management. You know, I often work with clients who are at a fairly basic level of privileged access management and one of the recommendations that I like to make like you can do this right away is not having administrators have like their main user account and do made administrator so that if they do get They do fumble, their password and kind of a phishing attack or something that that person doesn't get their domain admin account.
So then the question becomes now that I've got two accounts, I've got my Jim McDonald account, Jim McDonald admin account. My question for you would be, does it make sense to use my privileged access management tool to manage that domain admin? Jim McDonald account? Absolutely. Yes. And that's where, you know, Dated privileges come in. They should be just on time. They should be need to have on specific tasks relevant to an individual's role.
And like you said, you know, these accounts are targets for hackers and sometimes things happen and they do get compromised. And that's where you need robust security controls in place that can help, you know, stop that breed. Shut that bridge down prevent any type of lateral movements from that bridge. Isolate any type of monitoring that can be done for friends, I can Alice's and things like that. That is really where the benefit and the criticality of Pam
tools, come and play. Yeah, I mean I feel the same way. I also think like if you think about privileged access management for me, the bread and butter is about human beings, not knowing passwords, right? So that the system knows, the passwords are vaulted, they get changed behind the scenes and people. People don't go home and have the password. Exactly. That's very important. And I often describe it, as if a human knows, the password is probably not a safe password or a good password.
Yeah. Right. I mean, you know what human could remember, 32 character, random digit password, so, that's a good point as well, you know? I'm thinking about some of the newer use cases that I'm seeing, you know, BC have come up over the past few years and what the role of privileged access management would be in. So what I'm specifically thinking about is like Cloud infrastructure and platform as a service. So AWS, Microsoft Azure things
like that. I'm also the about devops and, you know, automation through Bots, for rolling out infrastructure and they often have hard-coded passwords and then iot use cases. So, I'm kind of wondering, are you seeing a lot of that as well? Kind of All into the privileged, access management facing. Is that the right? Is privileged access management, the right place to kind of handle, those use cases.
Absolutely. I think more and more organizations are looking at different areas or different aspects of privilege. And looking to, you know, privileged access management organizations or vendors to help them solve those new challenges that are emerging with things like iot and devops and the explosion of cloud adoption I think You that is familiar with these AWS and Azure or whatever flavor of infrastructure as a service, you know, you prefer.
These environments have very, very granular types of permissions. And you know what? I often have experienced talking to organizations is, it's just too much. They often don't have a good way of approaching it. It's, you know, that idea of, you know, too much complexity. I firmly believe in usable security and complexity being the enemy.
Of security. You guys are familiar with that, Bruce schneier idea, but again, I think, you know, more and more organizations are changing how they Define privilege and it's absolutely including some of these cloud devops and and non-human types of accounts like Robotics iot and another types of accounts that we see. And there's so much to learn when it comes to privileged access management and a lot of these newer use cases, you know, you can spend you know, almost
all your time. Figuring out what's next and how to tackle some of these new challenges, I'm curious because what you mentioned earlier that you know you didn't really know a search media was going into this. And now here you are, you know, you know an expert on Pam and privileged access management those sorts of things, right? And you're responsible for Knowledge Management and training with psychotic, how do you go about? Well, first of all, how did you get into that?
Type of rule, is that something that you start off with or was it something that you kind of accumulated? A as a as a responsibility as you went through that kotik, it very similarly to my you know, experience in. I am I stumbled into the trainer role for years and years I was doing different types of roles at psychotic whether it was sales or marketing or Channel and as we would hire I would always help train and teach people things because as one of
the Employees at psychotic. I had to kind of teach myself these Concepts and understand what was going on from a technical perspective. And so I think I really focused on taking these technical complex topics and simplifying them and it made it a natural fit for me to then transition into the trainer role. And as we grew, it became abundantly clear that we needed a dedicated person that was going to help with. With the massive amount of growth that psychotic is experienced.
So yeah, I really just kind of fell into it, so it would be a twenty20 conversation without mention of pandemic and covid and things like that. How has, how has the pandemic impacted the way that either you deliver or think about, you know, training for four different concepts that are out there prior to the pandemic, all the training I would do on most of the training, I would do was in person.
So whether that was, you know, in-house, our staff training, whether it was new hires or just start our weekly training, Cadence that we pull off. It was always in person. I also would attend a lot of partner events and conferences and things like that to help educate and evangelize on privileged access management and those days are on pause. So there's no more days of showing up in person. Everything is now done digitally. So, we are very much focused on webinars and podcasts and video
enabled. Many learning enablement. And just, you know, different forms of Education and Training other than the live in person. Because, you know, right now, that's not safe, but I'm hopeful that sooner or later, we will be able to re-establish in-person training because I do see value
in having that face-to-face. I think, you know, some things are just easier to Understand when you're all in a room together and as an educator, I feel a closer connection with the students when I can see the look in their eyes. And, you know, read their facial expressions to really understand our they comprehending. What I'm saying or do I need to use, you know, different way of explaining or, you know, Draw Something on the Whiteboard or whatever the case may be.
Yeah, there's no substitute for kind of like the hallway conversations and, you know, the site side stuff that kind of takes place right in between sessions, things like that. I feel the same way about that, what's been, the hardest thing or challenge that you've had to overcome kind of adopting or adapting? I should say into this, new, new model, with remote delivery, I think scalability, I mean,
everyone's online. Now, I'm sure everyone has experienced some sort of resource constraints. And so really just setting up our program transferring, everything we would do in person face-to-face. Digital environment and then empowering that program to scale
that has also been a challenge. You know, that kind of gives a global organization cybersecurity threats are Global. So we're always thinking about, you know, our customers, and partners in the media or in a pack, or last time wherever it is that, you know, we're helping folks so. So I'm sure you have some pretty good stories, around different training sessions, may be, that you've conducted orbit at least been a part of any time, feel free to protect the names of the LT and or Innocent.
But do you have, you know, what was kind of like the best training Story You've Got and maybe what's one? That would be. Let's call it less than ideal. So this is actually pretty crazy story if you're ready for this one. So I was privileged enough to deliver a training session at the US Embassy in London. And I was working with a partner.
We were presenting in the basement of the US Embassy and we were talking Insider threat and I was literally in the middle of my presentation standing out talking showing slides, engaging with it, the group and the power went out only we were in the basement, so there's no windows and at first, I wasn't quite sure if it was the power that went out.
You know, God forbid if it was like terrorist attack or I didn't, I didn't know what had happened at the US Embassy, but I knew that all of a sudden I was presenting and then split seconds later. I was in the dark and we were all in the dark and everyone just kind of froze. And no one said a thing for a few seconds and it was probably only three or four or five seconds.
It was very, very short if and then the power kick back on and we all just kind of acknowledge that we were still there and we didn't really know what happened and we We weren't going to ask what happened, but we kind of put aside the training and just kind of talked and moved onto the coffee phase.
And yeah it was it was a really interesting session so you went from from from Village access management to an episode of Homeland and exactly what exactly We got to figure out Jim, how we can get to, you know, some some International location and and do something on those lines because I feel got a little of a James Bond, kind of themed that. It's so DC. I feel like, I've been very
blessed. I have luckily been invited to lots of embassies here in DC. And, of course, when I travel abroad, I usually get the invited as well. It's a, it's a, it's a DC thing, I'm telling, you are the Beltway, right? So if if I am, you know, Part of an Enterprise. I am program somewhere, and I'm running either Pam, or maybe just even, I am General as part of a program at my organization. What are some tips that I could use to develop my own, either in-house training or some ideas.
You might have to help kind of bring along parts of my organization that maybe aren't as you know, tech savvy when it comes to I am or even Pam specifically. So I think, you know, security training and Weekly identity and access management training for all levels and all shades of grey when it comes to technical capabilities is so important. And in my opinion, is a milestone of maturity within the program because all people need to be educated on why why you
don't click the link. Why you don't open the attachment, right? Why you need a long and complex password? Why we're asking you to change your password every 90 days or 45 days. Days or whatever. The case might be based on the organization and then again, as you scale up to the more complex, technical use cases and audiences. Again, they need to be part of the process.
They need to have buy-in and in my experience, especially, you know, with some of the tools and capabilities that we work with. It's not a barrier because we're providing a lot of Automation and hopefully we're taking a lot of manual processes off. Plate once they kind of understand from a security perspective of why that's so important.
And why you know, the organization is asking them to do X Y or Z people buy into it and you know, I did a training for what I call the math team which is really our controller and our accountant and our billing people I call them the math team. So I was doing a training for them. This might have been here to ago, but I started talking about you.
No, the nature of breaches and how these threats, you know, play out and some of the tools and how hackers hack and people are so interested in that they asked me to come back, they asked if they could have another training session just to talk more and to learn more about, you know what the iconic does and what I do and you know, what's going on in the industry.
And so I think people are genuinely interested and they're curious and so, you know, simplifying training, that's very important, but having that all inclusive approach, For all your different areas of the business and your different shades of grey when it comes to technical audiences and your different areas and aspects of privilege and identity are very important. Does that make sense?
Guys make science to makes a lot of sense, your KD, I think there's probably a lot of our listeners out there like hearing you and thinking man, what a cool job Katie has and I'd like to do something like that. So I'm wondering, you know, obviously Lee, there's many paths to get to the end but do you have any advice for for someone who might be interested in doing what you do? Don't be shy.
Be proactive. I think that's, you know, one of the most important parts is you have to, you know, take action to get into this industry. I've seen lots and lots of people start like me where they get in the door in a completely different role. So maybe they come. Is a tech support person or maybe they come in as a sales person, or a marketing person, or a developer, you know, whatever the case may be and then just through natural education and evolution their position changes.
And you know, they have the ability to do something different and focus on cyber security. So I would say, you know, show up Reach Out connect on LinkedIn. If there's a local group that you want to, you know aisaka or some of the other industry groups I think are so important. I'm sure lots of over holding digital events when Global pandemic whole thing going on. But I think there's lots of ways to just kind of force yourself into the community and be proactive about it.
Yeah, I feel so fortunate that I've ended up in this industry. I think it's such a cool industry and I know when I've been attending, I am conferences. When we still had in-person conferences, you know, 15 years ago. Look left and look right and more than likely people on both sides, you were were men. And now I'm seeing many more women enter this industry which I think is a very positive development but wondering you know what advice you might have. For women who are in, I am or
are looking to get into. I am to kind of make that move. Well, what kind of advice might you have for them? Confidence is Is key, do not let the men in the room intimidate. You it is very often that I am. The only woman in the room and some women are not comfortable with that. And I think it's a mean there's the old adage, right? That the magic happens when you step outside your comfort zone.
But I truly believe that in some ways I think on some level you just have to fake it until you really are comfortable with it. And it's also important to be on top of your game. So I think, you know, part of the reason why I have such a depth and breadth of knowledge is because I've forced myself to develop this, I always want to be able to answer a question and it's okay to not have an answer, right. But I pride myself on having a very few questions that I cannot
answer. Yeah, and I can vouch for you. Kind of speaking with confidence and I think that's important. Whoever you are like to go in there when you speak with confidence. I think that people are more likely to agree with what you say and I always say it's like it's like sharks can smell blood in the water. You don't sound confident? What? You have to say whether it's true or not. People are going to think that maybe it's not true. I'm also wondering, you know. Okay.
Did you have Mentors in your career either, you know, formal mentors or just people in formerly mentored you. And I'm wondering how that that helped you in terms of building your career, this is a little cheesy and very personal but my mom has always been my mentor. So, for years and years and years, she was a very Savvy businesswoman, she was a trendsetter within her own industry.
So she was one of the first women Eamon hired into the financial management program at GE, she was one of two and she was just a very driven Savvy educated business woman and I think I've always strived to have her same sort of business success. And again, I just kind of got lucky and stumbled into Tech and cyber security and identity and access management. Didn't I don't think I'll ever do anything else. I think I have found my passion
and my career choice. This is it this is it this is where we're going, you know, the confidence thing I think is interesting for me, confidence comes from knowing subject matter and you know then come from other things like being able to articulate etcetera. Would you would you agree with that approach? Or do you think that there's a different way that people can approach kind of building that confidence if they don't necessarily have it?
I think it's absolutely about, you know, building that and developing that through education and just knowing your stuff. But I also think especially for women their newer to this industry, there's some sort of fake it until you got it. That has to happen. It's in most circumstances. Anyways, just because of the male-dominated industry that is Tech. And is really you know, cyber security and identity and access well in still inside. Secret.
I think everybody gets to some degree is Faking it until it gets up. So I think that's good stuff.
I know we're kind of getting here towards the end of the topic but what I wanted to talk through here with you is some predictions, maybe that you might have in the privileged access management space for 21. Is there anything that that you think is going to be kind of something that you want to throw out there, as hey, this is coming in 2021 and folks should be aware About it or at least be thinking about, you know, how to approach it. I think, you know, some of the
things we've touched on during this call and my I think prediction for 2021 is that the definition of privileged access management is going to change. It's no longer going to be that traditional infrastructure since of Pam. I think it's going to be cloud and devops and iot and you know, all these other types of Privilege in areas of privilege. And I think that that is really going to be, you know, under a magnifying glass as the pandemic, right?
Because the digital transformation is forced, you know, people are no longer in the office. I don't think people will ever go back to the office, the way they were. And so I think that traditional Pam infrastructure security is going to be less and less, you know, of a priority and more and more people are going to To be thinking about these different aspects and arrogance, a privilege. And it's interesting. So I have a couple items on that.
Cutthroat, you rapid-fire format here for 21, and I'm glad you brought up the definition change. I'm going to put you on the spot here because this ties right in nicely. And there's my question will Social logins be more widely considered privileged accounts? Yes. Anything that shared should be a privileged account and has visibility for the corporate social media. Absolutely, that's something that I don't see considered very often right now.
I think the traditional approach is, yeah, of course, server accounts and shared accounts on things like that. But when I asked how social logins are being managed, it's usually kind of like, uh, and it really kind of thought about that. I kind of feel like closely related to that are accounts that maybe are managed by a group like accounting to log into their Bank of America portal or something. I'm using that as an example.
But you know, maybe five people In the accounting department, login to a third-party web application. They kind of share that password. That's one of the probably the most dangerous passwords in the organization. HR systems, accounting systems Financial systems, even LMS systems. Like what I manage there's an abundance of intellectual property in our LMS. There's so many areas of risk.
It's just that in most senses of privileged access management, you know, It's and folks like us, we're only talking to the Ops and the infrastructure in the security. Folks were not talking to the other areas of the business and helping them Define and understand what risks exist there. And what areas are privileged they actually have. Because I think there's a lot there and we're going to see it more and more. Yeah, you're right. It comes down to risk, right?
I mean, the risk is there, it might not be the most straightforward account to manage, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be doing. Think about it. How about vaults? I feel like those are fairly traditional at this point, almost kind of a commodity amongst, you know, the the vendors in this space. Are we going to see more advanced functions being adopted things like session recording application, password management, devops Integrations, you know, for whatever it may be
things like that. Do you see more adoption of that, or do you think that there are still a lot of companies that maybe don't have? Have the basics of privileged access management place and that will still see kind of vaulting as the first or most predominant step in 2021, you know, I think
there's a good mix of both. I do think there's a lot of organizations out there that are still using sticky notes and Excel spreadsheets and do need a vault, I think and I could literally probably talk about this for like 10 minutes. So I will try not to go off on a tangent but everyone needs. A vault, my hundred year old grandpa needs involved. Children need a vault. Everyone has a past. Last word problem, everyone has a digital identity nowadays.
I mean, if you think about literally children that are logging in to their school using Chromebooks and they have different passwords for their different school systems and and everything is digital. Now all of those need to be password protected and all of those should be unique, strong passwords that should be in the vault. So I think there's lots and lots of use for Vaulting. But I also think that more and more organizations have kind of
check that checkbox. And now they're starting to realize that there are other areas of privilege. They need to address because of that risk that we just mentioned. Where do you see artificial? Intelligence intersecting with some of the use cases that are traditionally privileged access management, like vaulting or session recording or you know analytics those sorts of things. Do you see AI or machine learning? Taking a step forward in the Pam space.
I think they have to, I think those types of Technologies are going to be critical for the vendors, in our space to embrace, because the adversaries, and the hackers are absolutely going to embrace these Technologies. And especially when it comes to like, AI stuff. It's very, very scary to me for a threat. That doesn't get you the first time to learn, why it didn't get Get you and to get you the second time.
And so for things like that, also as Security Professionals and as vendors in this space need to be aware of that need to be thinking about that. And using those exact same tools and tricks to defend after list is something that has, you know, been the topic du jour. It seems like for the last couple of years, and there seems to be another Focus around trying to become password list at least in an Enterprise situation. How do you think this affects
Access management. I called, can I say this? I call bullshit. I call, I call malarkey. I do not think that we are ever truly going to get to a password list State. And a great example is the other day, I was logging into my Verizon app on my phone because I wanted to pay my Verizon bill and the action method that I have set up is facial recognition on the app and it
wasn't working. So I needed the password, I had to pay my bill and so I had to log into my Vault and get my password and authenticate the old school way and there's always going to be that need when you know MFA or SSO or whatever, type of authentication people are using you know, doesn't work or even you know basic other tasks like restoring from backups, right? You're going to need the
password. I think there's, you know, circumstances for not using passwords but I also think that it's never going to completely just my two cents. What's the next Frontier for privileged access management? I think it's what we've kind of touched on which is this area of privilege, that is expanding and evolving these Cloud assets.
These different areas of privilege, iot non-human and Counts robotics I think you know it's very scary when people ring doorbell, cameras, get hacked every seems like almost every single day. I watched, you know, the evening national news and they have some story about this device or that device or you know what you need to do to better secure yourself
from this cyber security threat. So I think, you know, all of these areas of privilege are going Continue to be more and more relevant, not only in a business environment, but also, you know, in a consumer and you know, end-user at whatever you want to call it non-technical way as well. Yeah, I think I think it was back, right? That definition evolving and you know this as definitions evolved for privileged access. The scope will most likely have
Hall with that, right? What's included as part of that and then making sure that you're taking the right steps to secure those keys to the castle. So, Well, I certainly appreciate the conversation and I know that we're kind of coming up here on time before we close things out for the year. Are there any, you know, final words of wisdom that you want to share with the group Katie, um, get your shot, don't be scared, don't be scared to do your part to help us shut down the
pandemic. Exactly. But more importantly, you know, change your password, if you can do one thing, In 2021 that will help keep your digital identity secure. It is definitely make sure you change your password at the start of the new year. That's always a good best practice and then put that in a vault and make sure that you're using a different password for as many sites as you can no daisy chain.
Having different passwords and having strong passwords and not even have to remember that is a big Advantage for folks. So definitely agree with that. Jim is there anything that you'd like to toss out there? Before we let these fine folks go for the year? Well, a few things, so personal that was the most practical advice. I think any, including you, and I have give any one of our
guests. I've given what cages said about the password, Changing. I mean New Year, like, that's a great practice to get into, but the other thing I was thinking, is I very much feel like I would have been great as a writer on Seinfeld because my observations are about, you know, nothing partner there about like the smaller things. So Jack, you always say keys to the castle. I always say keys to the kingdom and I'm wondering Katie, which of us is, right? Is a key step.
Cast of piece of the Kingdom, but isn't the castle? The kingdom. I don't know. I'm starting to worry keys to the city or something keys to the Galaxy. I just want to throw out there. Just remember, who is editing this podcast? I'm just gonna throw that out there. Okay, what's your answer? Katie keys to the castle that was, that was not peer pressure or any type of blackmail or extortion at all for editing. Versus Jeff is right, okay?
So, the last thing I just wanted to say is I hope everybody and gets to have a little bit of a break here at the end of the year. Comes back with their batteries recharged for. For me personally, 2020 was busier than most years while we weren't doing as much travel.
Not nearly as much trouble. Our project load was increased, and I think it's just that, you know, It's probably a natural progression that information security and therefore I am is becoming more and more on the front burner of it. Budgets and organizations are needing help to, you know, improve their security posture, improve their management of who
gets access to what. So I'm not hoping that 2021 necessarily slows down on that front but I would like to be able to take a few Vacations, I guess if you will. So hopefully everybody has an opportunity to kind of recharge and blasted the 2021. And then also, you know, constantly looking to communicate with our listeners and anybody who's following the podcast, please connect on
LinkedIn, you know. Share your ideas for what you like hearing about, even what you don't want to hear about any more. Stations for guests for future podcasts, or open all that. But definitely, please send LinkedIn connections of unless the network. Yeah, definitely. This is a show, you know, for the People by the people. And we want to make sure that the topics were covering our what's interesting out there.
So if you've got ideas suggestions feedback criticism whatever maybe send it all our way and you know, we're happy to take it and you know improve and get better out bad at this and hopefully may you continue to make the show grow and get better topics and or more interesting topic. You know, over time and folks like that. So I think that's a good way to end it. You know, I think I'll be glad to see 20/20 kind of in the rearview mirror and start start fresh again in 21.
I hope that everyone enjoys the holidays again will be taking a few weeks break here and we back in, you know, early mid January thing with with another round of identity and access management talk. So with that happy Holidays, happy New Year and we'll talk with you all next year. You've been listening to the identity at the center podcast, if you like what you heard, don't forget to subscribe and visit us on the web at identity at the center.com.
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