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#358 - Identiverse 2025 - Identi-Squabble

Jun 30, 202521 minEp. 358
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Welcome to a special game show edition of 'Identity at the Center,' hosted by Jeff Steadman! Recorded live at Identiverse 2025, this episode features two teams—Team IDPro (Heather Flanagan, Tina Srivastava, and Mike Kiser) and Team IDAC (Jim McDonald, David Mahdi, and Steven Rennick)—competing in a Family Feud-style trivia game focused on Identity and Access Management (IAM). Watch as they answer questions related to common IAM project failures, non-human identities, snacks at conferences, and popular conference swag with a little help from the audience. Stick around to the end for a special IAM-themed rap performance by Tina.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Welcome01:18 Meet the Teams03:10 Explaining the Rules04:20 Round 1: Common Reasons for IAM Project Failure07:52 Round 2: Non-Human Identities in IAM11:33 Introduction and Initial Questions11:55 Fun with Vegas Snacks15:00 Final Round: Common Swag Items18:40 Conclusion and Farewell

Connect with the contestants:

Heather Flanagan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hlflanagan/

Tina Srivastava: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-s-8291438a/

Mike Kiser: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-kiser/

David Mahdi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dmahdi/

Steven Rennick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-rennick/

Connect with us on LinkedIn:

Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/

Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/

Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com


Transcript

This is identity at the center. Welcome everybody to Identis Wobble yes, thank you very much. Feel free to cheer, applaud. You know all that's going on in my head. Appreciate that. So this is the game show that is all about identity and access management and what the I AM community has been thinking about for the last couple of weeks. I guess as I sent this out, hi Dank, this is Jeff Stebbin. I'm the host of the Identity of the Center podcast. Also do consulting with RSM.

So shameless plug, IDC podcast.com. If you're taking pictures, I see you right there. Feel free to send them to me. Go to the website and just drop me because I can put something together. This is going to end up hopefully being an episode if it doesn't suck. So let's try to make it good. I have cameras kind of all over the place. We have a couple teams that are going to come up here in a second. I want to let people know how

this is going to work. So it's very similar to Family Feud, but for legal purposes we are called Identis Waddle, so no feud in the term. We're going to be judged by the team up from RSM. So we've got Chad Wolcott from RSM and then a guest judge, Audrey Bregman from Hub International. So give them a round of applause. They are impartial judges and so that's how this is going to work. I'm going to introduce our teams here in a second.

So let's meet the first team. We've got team ID pro so let's get Heather and her team out here all right Heather, so welcome to the first icon this file. I see you all have hats, so let's figure out what's going on here. But first one, we're doing a quick introduction all. Right Heather Flanagan, the hat that I'm wearing right now is the executive director of ID Pro. And Tina?

Hi everyone, I'm Tina, I'm Co founder of Badge Inc and board member of ID Pro and maybe a little bit later today a particular rapper that you may know. You've put a lot. So I want to poser that you've put a lot of into this rap because other people have asked me if I I said, well, maybe we'll get something called maybe we'll have like a special skills section later. So we'll see. MM Kaiser stratageen standards at cell point. I will not be rappel.

Thank you for that. Appreciate that or so. You think? All right, let's get the teams over here. It's not over for find me. Let's get our next team. We've got my Co host Jim McDonald from team Idec. He's got this team here coming on. Jim spent a lot of time putting together that team outfit there looks like. Hey, stickers. All right, so quick introduction, Jeff, Jim McDonald goes identity of disaster

itself. All right, gentlemen, David Mahdi, chief identity officer for Transmit Security, and I'm Steven Rennick and I'm the IAM architect for Siena. All right, so any special skills because we have a rapper in the other side, I'm going to take that as a no. OK, let's come on over here. I'm going to explain the rules in the team or to the teams. The way this is going to work is we surveyed hundreds of people from IT Pro and also from my

LinkedIn network. So if you're here and you've submitted an answer to that form that I sent out, thank you so much. Do not blame me for your the answers you're going to see here. These are all your answers collectively's community. So just be aware of that. We're going to have each of the teams try to guess the top answers on the board. Again, very similar to another game show you may have heard.

If a team gets three strikes, they're going to be out and the other team is going to be able to try and steal it. So again, very familiar hopefully, and you guys can help. So feel free to yell out if you think you've got a good answer. If the, you know, the teams turn to you for guidance and help, feel free to get into that. And then whoever's got the most points at the end is going to win valuable prizes, so we'll announce that later on. OK, Team ID Pro, are you guys ready?

No, if you are ready, Sir. IDAC, Are you ready? Yeah. OK, crowd, Are you ready? All right, let's have a McDonough squabble. All right, give me Jim. Give me Heather. We're going to start this off real quick at the first question. All right? Amazing sound effects. We've got the top five answers on the board. Name a common reason for IAM project failure. OK, Heather was first ID pro. What do you got? Under resourced. Under resourced is under resourced on the list our judges

are contemplating. They say no, no, OK, too much too soon, too much too soon. So maybe something with inappropriate timelines scoping? I'm not sure. No. OK, we're going to go down the line. So let's see Tina, you're next and you could try and steal. Come on over here, be shy. Name a common reason for I am project failure.

Technical debt. Technical debt judge it seem like they're going to award something here all right complex integration all right so you guys want to play or do you want to pass it to the other team here pass or play we can we. Can pass a little bit, make the man so. We've got a player we're going to play All right, OK, so like guys are coming up here. Wow. This is give me a common reason for I am project failure 1 / 15. Let's get everyone up here. Just wait.

We have a smooth in here and a common reason for I am project failure, Mike, Vendor vendors. The vendors are a major problem as we say this in an Expo hall with a whole bunch of vendors here. So thanks for that. OK, no, all right. So that's another strike, Heather. Executive. Buy in executive, buy in. OK, this one, I'm pretty sure you have to be out there. Yep #1 on the board. OK, so good answer. Tina, you're next name upon a reason for eyeing fighting failure.

Helping anytime. Now, oh, Heather's already waiting for help from the crowd. Permits gathering. Oh, that's. Poor requirements. Gathering your requirements, gathering. All right, that's on the list. What's next? What's next? There's probably that's all the scrubbery. Can't solve all use cases, can't solve all the use cases. So maybe oversold under the liver or something like that. No2 strikes. OK, So the pressure is on you Heather. If we do not get this right, Team IVC is going to get a

chance to steal. So give me a common reason for I am project failure. Am I hearing budget? Ajit, I hear budget that's on the list. All right, so now the pressure's. Getting these right with Celebrate. Pressure's acting. I've got one for two for two. What do you got? What do you got? Budget's got something that's cute enough we can't hear. You hear the fries much? Schedule overruns. Schedule overrides, judges. No. OK, Team IDC, you've got a chance to steal here.

You're puddling up trying to figure out what you're going to go with. And David is assuming control. I'm assuming control. You are. Or name a common reason for IM project failure, lack of business, 11 business alignments. Because that on the list is #5 if you get it, you steal the points. It is OK. So Team IDC gets those points in the round and away we are. Wait. So OK, so let's go next. So I think Dave, if you were next, you're on this side over here and then Tina, you're over here.

All right, so we're going to get to the next question here. All right. Now, since we're in the non human area, we're going to have a non human question. Name a type of non human identity in identity and access management. OK, Tina, quick on the draw. Agentic AI. Agentic AI, is that on the list? Survey says judges contemplating thinking. All right. Ascension AI preparing to take over, right? OK, I think that probably qualifies for it. You guys want to pass or play?

We got a chance to get higher, right? Yeah, we're going to play. Right. These guys are mining the rules, right? You guys have a chance to get a higher answer. So if they have a higher answer, those say, David, you've got a choice name, A tag of non human identity, workload identity, workload identity pretty straightforward workload identity this is deciding it's. On there it's. Not no, Nope. When you get the judges, they're just trying to decipher is this some sort of like service

accounts? No. OK, All right, so you guys are going to pass or fight, Not workload eyes team. Forget all the fight. OK, this is all right. Kaiser, you're up next, give me a type of non human identity. You need to come over here at the migrants over there who needs workloads anyway and feel free audience right, so type of non human identities if you saw the Google for over the last couple weeks, service accounts, service accounts. OK, that seems pretty simple.

There we go Yep #1 all right Heather, you're up. Name a type of non human identity. Butter's thinking. Or maybe she's about to see something inappropriate get us all in trouble. Robots. Robots, OK #3 Tina, you're up again. Are you a type of non human identity? I'm thinking we should probably had Hutch on the show because he's on, Yeah. Hutch. He's a ringer. Tina, give me another non human identity. Can't hear you think from the crowd. You got to speak up. IAM.

Roll, IAM. Roll. That's from the crowd. Is that on the list? No. OK, sorry. All that effort. We got nothing for it. I want the weirdest answer. Weirdest answer. Machine. Speak up. Yell it out. Machine. I hear local accounts, local accounts as a machine identity as a non human identity. Is that on the list? No, OK. OK, I'm going to have to go with this one for my own entertainment value, but it also shares my theme, my mom. Is your mom on the list all right? No, unfortunately not.

All right, Team IDSC. You've got a chance to steal here, so you guys need to give me a chance. Give me a give me a non human identity type. Feel free to come over here into the camera freight. I know that this is our first time doing the podcast, so come on. Machine accounts, machine accounts. All right, is that on the list? Machine accounts? No, all right, so ID pro wins the points. So we'll have them be the winner. So they get to catch up here a

little bit. Let's see what number 5 was on the list. Container identities. Good boy. Do we not know what we're working with? Sounds sounds a little bit. There's a lot of controversy over here would be thanks. I doubt for identity, but #4 an IoT device could be OK and #2 an API key here. OK, early standard answers at the. All right, let's see who's next. You've got Mr. Kaiser. Oh, boy, versus Mr. Rennick. All right, got the next round here.

Set up the next question. Let's see how we're doing. OK, this is annoying. So now we're going to get into the Vegas part of this because we have to have some fun. Smell almonds, right? Name a snack you might see at a Las Vegas conference Expo hall I. Think he got this? There we go. OK, I'm pretty sure I saw that, so we'll just got that. Name a snack, Steve. Cookies. Cookies. Is cookies on the list? Number one answer. OK, so already finally good to see how they throw or easy up here.

So let's go come over here guys, then. All right, Yeah. Popcorn. Popcorn. It's popcorn on the list. Judges popcorn. No, I disagree because there's literally popcorn sitting on every table right here, right here. So. OK, so let's see, Mr. Mahdi, you're next name a snack you might see at a Las Vegas conference Expo hall. Mints. I hear mints from the crowd. Who else? Anyone else? That's hot sauce. Sauce. Wow. OK. Oh, hot sauce. So what are we going to go with?

David, what do you have? We'll go with mints. Mints. OK, It's mints on the list. Mints is on the list. All right, let's come up here. Chips. Chips. OK, chips on the list. No. OK, Jim, pressure's on you. Yeah, a third strike coming up here. Game of snack you might see at a Las Vegas conference Expo ball. Andy. And do you have anything from Andy Candy? Andy. Andy. All right, I see Candy's on the list. Come back over here, guys like are going. Yep. All right.

So another snack, David. 2 strikes. Another one strike then ID Pro is going to have a chance to steal. Rusher is on the rusher is on any other from the car. We got a hand raised very polite, yell it out loud. Finger eats pasta. That's an interesting snack. You might see just people just just go and grab things that you got to eat versus wine on sandwiches. We're going to go with sandwiches. Sandwiches. OK, I heard sandwiches. Sandwiches on the list.

OK, all right, so we've got a chance now for Heather. It has ID Pro to make a steal here. So, Heather, name a snack you might see at a Las Vegas conference Expo hall. Pretzels. Pretzels, that's a great answer. Let's see, Is that on the list? Pretzels Judges survey says I'm thinking trail mix for Anola. close enough, I guess. OK, all right, so you guys win, you guys steal the points. Let's see what that does for points. So now you've taken a quick lead. Let's see what number six was on

a snack. You might see at a loss against conference Jim McDonald. I mean, come on, guys, really a total stack, right? All right, let's see #2 coffee, tea, drinks. OK. All right, so all right, we've got time, I think, for one more question, and we'll go back around to you, Heather, and to you, Jim, up here for another round. All right, so let's see what we got going on here. All right, so here's our last question for the game. Name a common swag item handed out and conference books.

All right, so Jim was quick on that one. It was good. A stress ball. A stress ball is stress fall on the list? No, Heather, you've got a chance here. You need to pick out a piece of swag. Common swag item, water bottles, water bottle, water bottle on the list. There it is. All right. Do you guys want to pass or play Heather? We. Want to play? He wants to play. OK, so Tina, you have a common swag item that you might find in

a Las Vegas conference hall. Let's move over here just so that we don't have this proper again. Shirts. Shirts. Jergensen, sort of clothing. Clothing on the list. T-shirts. OK, The sock crowd is, I think, out there, right? Socks are pretty popular. Firm, buddy. I see fist pumps in the back. All right, Mr. Kaiser, what's your favorite swag you've seen? So the speaker stepping more whisky. I love bouncy balls. Bouncy bounce. Is that your answer? Is that your final answers,

Mike? Some bags. A bag. A bag of some sort. Tote bags. All right, Yeah. You need something to carry all this stuff with you. All right, Other swag item. Stickers. Stickers, there you go, Number one, that's the best one because obviously they're on the sea frame from get them, go visit our booth, go win a bag. Common swag item. Pens. Pens his pens on the list. There it is. All right, we got one answer left. Mr. Kaiser's next. Come on, y'all. Everybody knows his hat.

Is it a hat? Is a hat on the list? Let's see. No. OK, the total let down for Mr. Kaiser. Make all your complaints to the Identiverse team. All right, I'm looking good for help. Here's your McDonald. Is Jim McDonald a common swagger And the way he handed out? Oh, all right. He is a snack, but not a common swag item. So there you go. All right, what do we think? What do we think, Tinny? You got 2 strikes cables is what I hear from over here. Any other things speak out.

Go in for. So toy, fidget toy is something I hear out here. Anyone else have things swag items now? No pressure, Tina. There's no pressure here. Because if you get this wrong than the ID Pro or the identity center feature chance to steal and they will probably win the game. So there's no pressure whatsoever that you get this correct. Great a lap boy. Stay scary. We're going to go with sunglasses slash notepad slash trinket slash toy.

Wow, there's a lot of splashes. Let's see if no, none of those are on the list. So, all right, so let's change it back over here to the identity for the cider team. Who's going to speak for the team muster? Mahdi's going to be the representative. We have our consent. He's he's taken center stage and he he feels very well. I'm going to get a life. No, I appreciate it. You know, blow out my eardrums, Right. So name a common swag item

handed out of conference boost. If you guys get this, you guys win that you hold prizes. Queso. It's queso. Charging cables. Charging cables. OK, so I heard that over here. It's charging cables on the list. OK, so that means pro wins that round, and they are the winners. So let's see what number six was. What was #6 something you politely accept and leave in your hotel room. Of course, everyone does that. Come on. All right, so congratulations to

our winners here. We've got TV pro Heather, Tina and Kaiser. Let me hold on. We'll get your valuable prize. We get our smarts from community and from the body of knowledge, which is really awesome and you should read it. Yeah, feel free to do a shameless plug for ID pro.org. Definitely a great organization. So courtesy of our friends here at CRA, we've got three passes to the Xenoverse conference next year for everybody on the winning team. So here we go.

That's what's got face scan models in place as I cut my back to camera. There we go. So congratulations to those folks. So there you go. Looking forward to see this happen hopefully again next year. I want to give a shout out to Shirley Hahn, who's back there in the middle guarding my precious camera. This would not have happened without her help. So definitely want to shout out Shirley. So please, let's let's hear it for Shirley.

Guys, come on, let's go. All right, so with that, we are done. So we're going to let you guys get out into the world. We've got a boot back there Friday, Friday and center. And Tina really wants to do her rap, I think. So if she wants to, she can do it. Do it. Let's see. Come on guys, this is all worth it. Have you ever felt that you had one shot or one opportunity to secure all your data? Do you let the data fall or do you capture the moment?

Let's hear it. You better lose yourself in the music the moment you want it. You better never let it go. You only get one shot. Do not miss your MFA roll out. You better capture this moment. Lose yourself in the off. In the off Z. You got it and you never let it. Go. So, you know, everybody, come on, you're not going to find better than that. I'm sorry for the rest of my universe, but hands up for Tina, people. All right. Thank you everybody for being part of this.

Hopefully this turned out well and you've been able to watch or listen to it as part of our episode. So thank you, everybody, and we'll see you out there. You've been listening to Identity at the Center. We hope you've enjoyed the show. Make sure to like, rate and review, and we'll be back soon. But in the meantime, hit the website at identity@thecenter.com. See you next time on Identity at the Center.

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