You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is the show that talks about identity and access management and making sure you know who has access to what let's get started. Welcome to the identity of the sender podcast I'm Jeff and that's Jim. Hey Jim hey Jeff, how are you? Oh, not so bad yourself doing great. Hey, have you ever sat down and read and I am system design document from end to end. Yes. But not by choice but not the most thrilling reading. Yeah.
No, it's definitely. Not the most for me reading even though I love identity and access management, it's kind of a boring, very detailed read and I kind of thought to myself. Well, maybe I'm not the target audience for those documents, but since I'm reading it, you know, and people ask me for feedback on it, have you ever seen that movie? I can't remember the name of the movie, but it's I think it's Denzel Washington. And his go-to line is like explaining to me like a 5th grader.
I can't think of it off hand, I don't know. Okay, well anyway, that was kind of like my thinking, like, let's boil this down. So it's not like Like you have to, you know, in transparency so it's were deploying a cell point system and it's like I yes I have the context for what cell
Point does right identity. Governance identity governance and administration I get that but the folks on the client side may not realize that hey there's these identity cubes being created and we're doing all these provisioning events and so I kind of thought you know a lot about it from the standpoint It that it's missing the context, people don't always have that base knowledge. Also kind of reminded me of something that happened recently with my son.
So he called a phone number. I asked him to get give something I called and I said, hey, did you call that? That? Number is like, yeah. But I'm getting like this weird beeping noise, Like what are you talking about? Weird, beeping noise. So I call the phone number, it's a busy signal. He's not have the context, he does. It was the first time he'd ever heard a busy signal before.
So now that you know they don't know what a typewriter sounds like you know that's like what the sound effect is for keyboards. You know the play it's like never never actually heard a typewriter in real life. Yeah, the moaning sound right connection. All, you know, all of us old people who, you know, grew up in the dark ages of computing. Yeah, I thought of saying that we used to use all the time so something I was up, you know, 495 guys. It was dial tone.
It was like you pick up the phone, you dial turn but I guess younger Generations. Wouldn't even know what the heck you're talking about, right, right. Hey, I saw something yesterday. That made me think You specifically and that was I don't know if you saw this but meta announced their new VR headset and ends. It's a fifteen hundred dollar headset in the middle of a
recession. And it's selling point is that it's really meant for like the business and Enterprise so that you can have your team meetings and the metaverse, doesn't that sound exciting? I love it. I made. It might be an idea. That's a little bit ahead of its time but I think eventually that's the way it's going. To go.
You know, people want to feel like they're in the room together without leaving their house and I think being an avatar kind of like allows you to get up and, you know, not just that not get out your chip of your jammies and go right into the meeting and, you know, be wearing a three-piece suit if you want, I hate this, there is no way, I'm spending fifteen hundred dollars on a headset, just to attend a team meeting and I and you know me, I love technology.
I'm surrounded by it. I was testing yourself but that is that is not a feature that I am interested in when it comes to VR or any of the things that I do not want to be in a meeting and be are now, what if you had that, that had served on and they had the functionality that you felt like you're in conference room and you had access to white boards and you pretty much hold with felt like a marker and you're writing on the Whiteboard and it really felt like you're in the room.
And you can look around and see people's reactions and things. Like that, wouldn't that be worth it? Not really because the visual Fidelity, isn't there yet? This isn't so right, this is an audio podcast but we do have a video component that we use behind the scenes and this camera quality is good, right? We can kind of see each other and everything looks good. That is not what the metaverse today looks like. It is not photo realistic.
It is, I would probably equate it to something like, you know, Nintendo and like they're those me characters that they have from with a Nintendo Wii and stuff like that. Like that's the visual fidelity. Of it. And no I don't want to take a pen and write because I can't read my own handwriting. I sure as heck can't risk in a virtual wall that I have no idea what I'm writing up against. Yeah I remember it was about 15 years ago and the company I was
working for is falling out. He's Cisco basically televisions to put in all the conference rooms and they had cameras on them and things like that. And it's basically like having a Teams meeting, you know, from conference room to conference room and people are like, who needs this. Why would we spend ten thousand dollars on this. So I think that reality when things first break in super high cost, you know, relatively low quality compared to what we can
do today. You know, nowadays you can I couldn't imagine conducting Business Without video calls. Yeah, I think it's helpful. I just that the technology for the matter versus not there yet. It is not even close to what a video quality looks like. Like it just doesn't work like that. It looks like a video game. What did you think of 3D TV? I never got into it. Never had it. I think at the time in my life when it was starting to maybe be a thing, I wore glasses.
So wearing glasses on top of another set of classes. That's not the most appealing or welcome whole thing. Same reason, I didn't really get into VR. Several years back, was I used to wear glasses and having glasses underneath my HTC Vive for those that were curious was not a control thing. I got Lasik went back to it and try it again and it was better, but still not as not comfortable having like this heavy thing on your head that is very front heavy to. It makes your face when I click
tilt forward. So they need to be like a better design and maybe takes the battery like a, some of the newer ones, the kind of shifts it to the Back so that you've now got this heavy sword almost like a giant helmet on. Right, exactly. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'll say one thing is like, I love being in person for conferences and meeting people. But I don't know about some of the business meetings or what they're not they're ever going to be held in person, in
locations. Like, they were in the past where, you know, so many of the clients that we work with. 13 teams are spread out around the country, so that not only have to fly us as consultants in. They have to fly in their own team members to some kind of central office. And you know, it's costing type of cost. Yeah, I don't see much sort of like, get together.
I think it's a, I think it's good to do for maybe like a kickoff or very beginning or, you know, key strategic meetings things like that on the way, but not like the old days, you know, of 2020 early 2020, where people are. Like oh, yeah, I'm gone Monday through Thursday at the client site. Now I don't I just don't see that coming back anytime soon. Yeah.
I just used to love whiteboarding out architectures and how systems were going to work and everybody getting in a room and you know, you could draw on the Whiteboard and somebody else could take the marker and kind of draw on top of your drawing. And that's where I think the metaverse could take us is getting back to some of that. I think it's expensive. If our son wants to buy us, fifteen hundred dollar, metaverse helmet from, for meta, and maybe, like a Wacom or cintiq tablet, right?
That we can kind of a surface may be the right that we can, you know, at your sketch on for meetings. I'm all for it, but that sounds like a pretty hefty investment for just being able to whiteboard. I'd like to just add edit. What you just said if anybody was to biases things there a lot. Oh yeah. Okay, yeah. Maybe meta wants to sponsor the identity, the center podcast, and send us a couple of headsets of do that.
All right, well speaking of getting a person, why don't we shift to our main topic because, guess what? Today is, Jim well survey today? Well today, as people are listening to. This is October 17th, it's Monday. And it is the first day of the Afeni Kate 2022 conference and we're welcoming back for his sixth time on the show and Russia are, he's the executive director of the fight Alliance. And thank you so much for
joining us again. Andrew, Guys, thanks for having me, I'm missing all the fun conversation. Like I have strong opinions about the men of hers and all these things. But well we can get it to everyone for everything standard six times. I'll do it, set aside to know. Well, we can get injured if you want before we get to the conference. But would you spend $1500 on a headset for Telugu and kannada? And Jim, I thought your analogy of 3D TV was good.
I was really cool. I was really excited about that and it came out and I still have a Dusty bin of 3D glasses somewhere. I do think the metaverse has legs, though. I was a skeptic until recently, I kids got a headset and is pretty, pretty immersive. But I just happened to see an email headline come through this
morning. That someone is projecting the Enterprise metaverse Market to be sixty billion dollars, sixty billion 60s because it'd be. So that's a lot of excess, but I think that there's a lot of interesting applications for metaverse Beyond just like pretending to be in a conference room together. But you think about like Manufacturing and all sorts of stuff were you know, augmented reality has actually been proven to work. Anyhow, I digress that's off topic but I need to jump in.
No thanks that I did. And I agree with you, I think augmented reality is a bunch of different beast and definitely has has some interesting use cases, let's talk a fennec a conference. Because today is the first day people listening to this if they're catching us, right? When we doubt right, when, right? When he hits the internet and you'd be surprised, I go in the first hour, they're already like a few hundred people who I've done what before you even like, made it announcement on it,
which is pretty cool. So, thank you for that listeners. But if you're listening to this, let's talk about the Thunder Cake conference. This year. Can you give us a little preview? You know who and what can people expect from this year? Yeah, yeah. So we're super excited about authenticate, you last year's our first time, we managed to pull an in-person authenticate off and we had, you know, in midst of covid or the end of covid in October. Last year, we had around 22 out
of chance. People there, which was great. We're going to double that this year, so we'll have a lot more people. So closer to 500 engender on said, an attendee profile as shifted to be in more of the kind of deploying organizations. So we're seeing a lot of banks, insurance companies of general, like Architects and siso office type people from these companies taking part and also a lot of sea level folks from kind of a vendor ecosystem.
So in general, I think we have a very senior switched on audience, will be attending authenticate this year. One other note is that we're actually at capacity, so we're recording this. In advance of the conference will be, there's only literally, a handful of spots left to be on site. That's true for anyone who's listening to this, who wanted to be on site and is listening remotely because you'd only tender about Lee, sorry about that, but make sure to sign up scooter next year.
So great turnout, you know, this super excited about a very engaging Three days in Seattle. Yeah, it's a cool spot to have it. And I think for people who aren't familiar with the authentic a conference, I attended the first one for me, at least last year, this is the infamous gym getting sick at the last minute and leaving me to do a presentation by myself at the last minute. Not that, not that I still think about that at all because I'm
sure it was fine. But for people who aren't familiar with Fido Alliance, I know you've been on, with time talk about for but sort of a refresher. Can you just kind of give us kind of a, you know, what is the fight Alliance and and the Kind of a mission of the organization. Yeah, so if I do the lines is that it's an industry. Body comprised of you know over 250 companies worldwide we work together to create Open
Standards for stronger. User authentication basically trying to reduce Reliance on passwords sweetie three, things the body we can say technical standards. Secondly we are nurturing a kind of a vibrant B2B ecosystem of products and services that our final certified. So support the photos Vacations, such that any company seeking to deploy can license from a variety of vendors if they decide to license the last but not least, it was focused a lot and more and more on facilitating adoption.
So that may mean giving best practice guidance that might mean, you know, implementation guidelines, and we're doing more and more work right usability that also includes things like authenticate. All right, so really bringing the community together to elevate the overall awareness and knowledge of Of what Fido is where it's going and how to successfully Implement fight authentication.
Take, it's just so cool with. I've had an opportunity to talk to a few of the speakers over the last few days because just previewing during the conference that didn't hit Center podcasts going to have guests on who are speaks at the conference. And so I've gotten to speak to a lot of those people, and it's like this is square on identity and access management. These are people who are Doing it in the real world but I'm getting super familiar with the agenda.
I mean there are so many more people had love to have on the show but you know, we can't get to everybody. But I noticed a few major themes that are kind of baked into the agenda. And the first thing is around pesky's and it's such a Hot Topic right now. Why don't we just start off with the very basic, you know, what is a passkey? Yeah, yeah.
So past you First off, probably in the headline activity for Fido lines and 2022. So, backing up, backing may be used to join announcement between Fighting Alliance Apple. Google Microsoft, where the three platform companies submitted see, you support a final implementation that allows the private key to be securely synced on operating system
cloud. So, whereas historically, you know, the private Keys always been bound to a device which is really good for us to curity profile standpoint. But we've found is limiting deployment from a usability standpoint, for when I'll come what's a long tail of the super applications in particular? So if you think about it, when the private key can't leave, the device, that means in every user needs to enroll every device for every service.
So, if I go to site eBay on my math book and enrolled for, you know, Sign into my account. With a password, it gives you the option to then use Touch ID every time thereafter. I can then use on that device but then when I walk up to my iPad or iPhone or rekt PC or my Android phone, each time I need to roll that device. So each time, I need to enter a password and then I could have my final key pair establish and
use you to my local on device. Authentication biometric group it. That doesn't scale quite well for consumers, alright? And so by allowing this key to be securely, synced it really opens up the door to provide, well, call it a password manager life experience, but with Fido key pairs, instead of passwords. And I think if your sewers who've adopted password managers, whether they know they're doing it or not. All right.
So, whether your license savoring 1password, Ashley Nora just using Grassroots warm till now, they come to expect that experience for every time I go. To a site either have the password stored in there. I don't need to remember it. And so why should fight o be any different? If anything should be much smoother, it should be better
user experience. So, we think that what we talked about when we announced know this Pass Key support back in, May will be exactly that two huge number of consumer applications. Now are literal definition, the past, he's actually expanded so we'll be talking about this a lot this week at authenticate but to finalize past you basically means any sort of Pastor list fi to enable
authentication. All right, so I'm so in the, you know that Most people want to talk about it or thinking about that the sink scenario that could also include pre-existing support for pass through this authentication. Using say, if I do security key, all right, or even like that a native app, where anytime you're using a final protocol to pass through the side and we will call a passkey.
And what's interesting about that is, you know, one challenge we've had frankly, as an organization, is that there's no consumer term for Fido. Rider platform on syndicator, God forbid or anything like that. So you know, I think there's really been a gap in the market when you're talking about how to do this. And so by, you know, collectively agreeing to use a term pesky 4:04, the sign in then having the corresponding logo program, that's being supported by Fido Alliance.
But most importantly also by Apple, Google and Microsoft. And I think it's going to really accelerate industry wide adoption of Fido based past real assignments. So I'm I'm assuming when you, when you went over those different ecosystems, the pass key is is bound within the ecosystem, right? It's not cross ecosystem. You know, you wouldn't flow that private key from Apple to Google or things like that. I'm assuming that's the case. I'll select the key is synced locally, is it synced on OS
Cloud? But you can actually go across the biases. All right, so go back to my scenario where I started with, like, we use eBay this using that, as an example, by the way. So there, The circulating this but the kind of our poster child for invited us to have done so
much to deploy. Without that back is the say I'm with Sam on and I started my Apple ecosystem and then I go to my PC. What I can do then, is you type in my username and then that eBay or that service, provider can say, oh, hey, look, you and your, I see you have a past. You do you want to use your passkey which case I could say?
Yes. And then they prevent at present Bluetooth option for local device in cross-device, sign it or I could use same My phone just shoot the QR code on that screen which will then allow for an intelligent Bluetooth pairing to happen between my device are two devices and then I'd basically be using that pass key to sign in on my PC at that point, depending on the service, they may give me the option then to install that pasty on my PC. So that next time I come on TC,
I just use the on device siding on the PC rather than having your back to my phone to sign it. So in that sense you can actually absolutely we've contemplated how to bootstrap, essentially between cloudy versus I think we can directly between us it. I think we just touched on. There is kind of the second theme that I noticed which is around usability. Is this all about making people's lives easier who are
dealing with technology. Now, the first thing I think what drives usability is ubiquity. So when you see something done over and over, and that's why something, or one of the reasons why a SMS one-time passwords has become so popular and so easy to use that even if You're not an IT person you can figure it out because it's done everywhere. I'm not saying that's right, but it does have.
Its ubiquity has its advantages but usability being that that second theme kind of what, what can people expect out of that? Yeah, I think you're spot on Jim. So when we talk more and more about usability, in fact, I say and it's true. I pretty much every conversation I have these days about final Authentication Begins and ends with usability. So note to self and finish this conversation, talking about usability.
But if Geralyn talk to companies who are seeking to deploy that, you know, about Saito, I think ubiquitous really important, right? You think about like Fidos goal but we're trying to do is it's very ambitious, if not audacious. Right replacing dependence on passwords. How do you do that? And the moment to think about is what are the advantages that pass for its hole or password plus ssup as you mentioned, the number one advantage they have is ubiquity.
And then incumbents, right there known commodity and you can pretty much do them anywhere. All right, so some have taken on the ubiquity challenged by getting 50 basically sedimented in every operating system, every device, every browser on the planet, all right, through the work we do is w3c, I thought then and then the Implement a platform providers we have in the alliance we've hit that point of ubiquity or hitting it. We're getting closer to it beyond that you know.
I think we look at usability a couple of ways you know I see three key things. At first, it was kind of this tied to the first point of a bit tiny victory in the sense that there's kind of a general user education and experience curve that needs to happen. So while using not using passwords is easier than using passwords, it is a change and as I get older, I get more diverse a change and a lot of people are averse to change your accustomed to looking for that user name.
Password dialog box, we go to a website and if that goes away, well, what do I do? And how does that make you feel? If I bank or something, I've been using for years. All right, so we need to know that NASA. Gradual thing that's not going to happen overnight. Even when the technology is there, we need to have best practices on how to migrate consumers from LogMeIn in the ways they know to the way that is is new to them.
So I think that's one part of it is come that just general learned experience messaging and terminology, right? We've done a lot of testing on that front as well. How do you explain this to people and what are their concerns? And one thing we learned for example, that is that letting people know they have a password list option. Is better than making them feel like they're taking something away.
That's interesting to so messaging and and having a common term for a Fido authentication process, which is what we're going to call passkey will help immensely that regard. Second kind of usability thing is actually the usability excels at the ux. Right? So yes while when Watson supported everywhere no see it's you know, implemented on a lot of sites but there still are some Kind of awkward steps sometimes in the user Journey when it comes to say OS, prompts your browser, promissory
consistencies there. So tying back to the platform it with commitment to pass key. We think that tighter integration with the platforms will help immensely. Alright, so as these passive Pass Key Concepts being woven into the very fabric of things like iOS and that was Ventura and chrome and windows, you'll see much more Natural and intuitive flow for consumers as they as they start.
Using was passed for those technology and the last things we talked about before, like the need to read roll. Every device for every service is just counterintuitive. It's a bad user experience. It's also a security risk as
well as it's making. The service provider is basically maintain a regular available, password for re-enrollment of each device, 2013 that I wanted to talk about the conference I think is The most important which is kind of the case studies is the folks in the real world who are doing Fido, they're killing the password Edge. I think what you guys are doing with the phyto alliance, like it's just so important it, you know, where's place will be in
history? I don't know, but I mean we've been talking about killing the password for, you know, definitely more than a decade. I I think there will be a world some day where kids don't know what a day. Or what a busy signal looks like or sounds like and they won't know what a password is and that's just going to happen but the way it's going to happen is by getting to ubiquity. It's going to be by chipping away at those.
And the the conference agenda has a lot of the case studies as people in the real world who are getting rid of passwords going with Biometrics, going with possession based authentication, we're going to have A few of those folks on the on the podcast we're going to be able to pull them out next week and you know, get an hour of their time but you know what do you have to say about those case studies?
I mean, I think that it seems like it was important enough theme that they're kind of strewn throughout the agenda. Yeah. Now let's assume great Point. Jim multiple I think case that is the most important thing that vitalize can provides the community at large to help everyone advanced. Pastor was Journeys and getting the pass for listed is a journey. Not a Sprint for the reasons. We just talked about.
We're just trying to accelerate that journey and we have some great case studies coming up at authenticate. It really too many to list but you know Salesforce will talk about their beauty implementation. Citibank haven't seen this case study yet, talking about rolling out, faster with education and 200 million users. That came in, that was submitted to us and blown away when I saw that message. Mission come through cloudflare famously and fought off said the octopus at by using final
security keys. I'll talk about that targets talked about their perspectives on how they're deploying Fido and many many more. So you know we strove to have case studies reflecting each use case. Inside the Enterprise consumers, you this one bedded type work. So I think we'll have all those and more. After conference, we also have a lot of on-demand content to I should I should note that this is this is a hybrid event. So we're expecting around for an answer to people on site that
the same remote. We have some custom content for remote attendees. Including some case studies from BBVA, Yahoo Japan, and others Seward talking about how they've deployed into. So in general any content we're sharing at authenticate, will eventually be made available to the community at Large? Because case studies are the key to I think accelerating deployments for other other parties. Yeah I think the case studies are all a really good opportunity to ask questions
too. I remember last year you know as people are coming off the stage, kind of talking about their things. There was like a rush of people, maybe not a rush about the right word, but several people, right, who kind of came up and we were asking questions and wanted to sort of pick the pick the brain of the person talking about what they were working on. I think this is another example
of that. He also hit something that I want to ask earlier is I know it's hybrid right virtual an on-site and I think it's basically just answer. My question is, is there any difference between the attendee types? And it sounds like there is some extra things going on for the the virtual attendees. They hear that from our attendees also have access to the virtual platforms. It's all, it's all integrated.
It's actually, I'm quite impressed with the platform and we're happy to have work last year and knock on wood. The word seamlessly this year as well, but we have, maybe, You know, 20 different pre-recorded episodes attraction, your 23 recorded sessions, which should be available.
Now, to anyone who has the is registered to attend, an addition to the, the on-site sessions, which we will record a stream live format attendees and makes available on demand as soon as we did process them for remote, the attendees as well. Yeah, I think that's pretty cool. The one thing I'm kind of excited about that. I wasn't able to make last year and hopefully I'll be able to make This year was the event at the Museum of pop culture, or Mo pop. What can, what can I expect as a
newbie? Never having never been there before so we'll valves awesome. It's busy hold. If anyone doesn't know the history on this which when a people probably don't get Paul Allen that's to founded Microsoft. Huge philanthropist, and Seattle. Also, huge music, fan, and Seattle has a direction. He's history, is everyone should
know. He found this Museum as a kind of homage to Jimi. Hendrix is initially called the Jimi Hendrix experience Museum, really cool-looking architecture, cool building and then eventually turned into this Museum and pop culture which looks at Pop Culture. So there's a lot of stuff you know, tied to music primarily. So the Seattle music scene is very well documented. There there's really neat Devon exhibits, Pearl Jam exhibit.
This room of all these famous guitars, there's an exhibits, an exhibit with looking at hip-hop, but also have pop culture stuff. And this year, we've opened up more examples than we had last year. They have really creepy kind of like horn section. Like, horror movies section that
you can go to at your own risk. There's another exhibit I think on the set designer and the costume designer, who do you like, Black panther all this stuff so it's really it's a neat place to spend a couple hours after, authenticate water around at your own Leisure, we'll have music playing while lots of food and drink. It's going to be, it's a really fun fun, experiencing a great place to go.
That sounds really cool and I'm thinking of a nice horror segment of like the horror of passwords or something like that. Right. Esther the identity nerd in me now he can't, I come back. So I kick myself for not somehow thinking of that sooner. So yeah, that's it. So fun time, so it's a great way to wrap up to it. So it's also worth noting that authenticated is a three-day conference for the public. But it's also Fidos North, imagine member meeting.
All right, so as a body we meet three times a year once in the u.s. once in Europe, Western Asia. So we overlap the US conference with authenticate so was the old base could basically be like the closing party for authenticating attendees. And the welcome reception for people only attending the member meeting which takes place Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, It sounds pretty cool. I'm excited to check it out. So I don't know if we want to
break any news here. But do we do we know where authenticate is going to be next year? For people complain? Yeah. So this will be breaking news. So first of all, this is your last chance to get the mo pop with Fido Alliance, at least because 2023. We will be in lovely San Diego. California in Carlsbad specific place. We have a great venue there. A beautiful resort, we're going to have Basically run of the property. I were expecting the conference we continue to grow.
We had to turn away exhibitors this year. As I mentioned, we're having to turn away attendees this year. So we think this has legs to grow by another 50% in 2023 and will this we're not even to be a giant copper. So we want to find the right size, so that's going to benefit the community at large, but yet next year, I think that the space we have in San Diego will be really well suited for it. Bigger more expanded and mortgage and Conference. That's very cool. I'm a fan of San Diego
especially at the weather. So definitely has my vote. So I'm looking forward to attending. So, yeah, I guess some exclusive news. They're right for people who are listening to the early, the Early lessons, early listeners of the podcast just for your podcast listeners. You can get an early jump on your travel plans before everyone who's in Seattle at the
event right book. That hotel early and often that's usually why the things that goes first All right, so we'll start to wrap things up here. Is there anything else that you want to bring up around the conference? I know this kind of people listening to this and probably after the fact it's sort of the first day and maybe they're just getting on a flight or just getting off a flight or whatever it may be, but anything else wanna bring up? No, I'm not. We're really looking forward to it.
I'm going to open the conference. It's kind of weird some talking to real time because people under 21 Skillet broadcast but we swell two things that I learned first of all that a pre-conference workshops this year, right? So as we're maturing want to add more value to And he's, so if people want to come early on Monday, we have two tracks. One is a sponsor by Amazon. So, very all with AWS identity, which is super important. So I think about how do we scale Fido how to scale fight
authentication. So you have it readily available cloud service that you can influence, and they virtual private cloud or what's the rest of your AWS infrastructure is incredibly important and very interesting. So Amazon will be talking all about AWS identity. Separately for those people who are newer to fight it aligns itself, we have a whole pre-conference dedicated to
Fighting Alliance, right. So we're not going to be taking up session time, talking about the latest updates and are working groups are different bodies for very important. So, Monday morning is the time to learn about that and also how one may wish to get engaged with photos of member, but beyond that, you know, my opening session, I will have a guest or two on stage. During their intent to support.
Pastor listeners, with passkey mucking disclose their names now because there's still some things in progress but I think there are two very big names. You have been with phyto pretty much just the beginning and will now be, you know, helping us move on to the next Frontier as well.
That's very cool. I'm looking forward to that and and you mentioned those pre kind of conference things I think Jim and I are actually both looking at the AWS Workshop is something that we're both looking at attending. Kind of getting smarter on, so I am thankful for that education. Good, give you good. All right, let's let's end things on a lighter note here. I wanted to keep it on the Seattle tip for for the kids and here's what we're going to go
with. So I'm going to list off a few famous Seattle, music bands, and you one of these bands has to go. Like, they are not invited to your party, your wedding. The remote desert island that you're going to spend the rest of your life on. So you have to drop one and the bands are Nirvana. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden Alice in Chains and Foo Fighters. One of those has to go the other four can stay Andrew, what are
you going to go with? Or who are you not going to go with is probably the better way to ask it. Well, look, I grew up in Seattle, so I'm a Seattle. Native under his. I love this tablet offers Sarah's, I get to go and I'm not very proud of Seattle's. City. And I haven't lived there for 30. Something years was still, I love memories there and and part of growing up in Seattle, in fact, like Mike McCready went to high school, right?
And so I was there in the 90s and all this stuff was emerging. I'm a Seattle, has a very rich music. See, beyond the Grunge music, there's, you know, Jimi Hendrix and Quincy Jones and all sorts of good music. So to answer your question, I would say unequivocally its heart I'm cheating, heart wasn't on that list but okay, like I hear it on any sort of classic rock station, like I have like this gag reflex and must change the station right away. So all right, I can respect that.
I feel the same way about Oasis going to play your game. Fairly I was Alice in Chains. I also do, that's rough. Yeah, it's Alice in Chains and Chris, Cornell's amazing, obviously Fighters and Pearl Jam to seems to me, literally. So I'd have to go to Alice in Chains and that's a very tough decision. So I'm going to stick with her sorry. Mr. Wilson Jim. How are you going to drop from the list of Nirvana?
Pearl Jam. Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Foo Fighters and I guess heart will add a heart to the list. Well, yeah. I mean, if you're going to make it easy for me right now is this is a tough one, Jeff. And I've got so many side stories that go with this. I mean, Nirvana pretty much changed my life right, it hit right as a freshman in college, which is Is like the best time of your life. It was for me anyway, so they're definitely staying on the list. Pearl Jam was like right there
as well. I was never a huge Soundgarden fan but there are a lot of their songs that I like, I'll soon change those a huge Alice in Chains fan, but one of my size stories was, I love them so much and I I brought dirt CD it was on CD home. When I went home for, you know, Break and I play for my dad. And one of the songs is called Junk head raised. Like, where's my drug of choice? My dad's, like, what is this crap? And I was like, oh yeah, I guess like, this isn't the kind of
music. My dad wants me listening to, but I would have to keep Alice in Chains on the list and Foo Fighters shows like so many awesome songs. So if I had to pick one other than heart, it's going to be Soundgarden. Okay? I can respect that. I guess of the list for me, I hate to say it, but Pearl Jam, I like Pearl Jam, but I like the other bands better. I don't know what it is, but for whatever reason, I just can't get behind some of the more recent Pearl Jam stuff that's been out there.
You know if you talked about like you know versus and 10 yes but those are really the only two albums that really kind of did anything for me. What version 10? Yeah I mean I don't want to take a project. Think of 10, I think Eddie vedder's voice. I mean, they've got the guys, just unbelievable. Oh yeah. Totally talented. And and actually there's one song that I actually like out of all those, and that's been the black circle, it's not even on
the first. It's not even on either this to balance on Vitalogy. I think it is. Yeah, well, you know, any better chamber of San Diego, and so there's a little rivalry between sad set, Seattle San Diego, but I do better. So now, you know, No, there will be rather ear and authenticate. Also, that's going to be too as we move to San Diego next year, right? Yeah, exactly. Where we have like a neighborhood who really owns the Fido Alliance conference.
It's like, they're probably his heart, but if I do, like, if we, if we hear heart playing at the authenticate conference, we know Andrew didn't pick that music selection. You'll know the answer got fired. If that happens. Yeah, dinner gonna logged in. We're gonna love. No. Pop, I can't wait to see you there and it's Nirvana exhibits really, really neat and the Pearl Jam. Groom often throw Jaffa man. Locked the door. It's really cool also. Okay, I can respect the talent.
Yeah, that's tough choice, talk tough question and I cheated, but that's very tough question. Jeff. You did, you find a way around the rules? All right, let's go ahead and wrap things up for this week. Let people get on with the conference. Hope they enjoy it. Like, like Jim, and I think we've all kind of mentioned will be there. So, feel free to come up and say hi, trivia, fun fact, Andrew,
last year, at a fennec. Eight was the first time I ever had a Sister come up to me and say listen. So it was all so awkward for me. So I apologize to that listener for payment for the interaction. I've got better at it. This podcast is absolutely awesome and you're following is growing and I give you guys a lot of credit and, you know, I appreciate this opportunity but it's great to see the podcast grow mature and, and your band your base grow as well.
And it's well deserved. Yeah, and we appreciate the support you get us, you know, especially setting aside. So you don't little spot for us to kind of do. Our thing is very cool and helping us get So the feeling is it's all on this side of the table and some bullshit. Well, would you say you do? Here we make hit records and put on Golden podcast pants. That's what we do. All right, so we're going to go ahead and leave it for this week. Hope everyone is enjoying the
conference will. Hopefully, we'll see people at the conference and, and down the road as well. You can check us out on the web. We're at identity, if the center.com, or on Twitter at IDC podcast, you've got a fennec 8 Khan. Dot-com is the website for the
authentic, a conference itself. Then you've got fight Alliance F, Ido Alliance dot-org to learn more about all the fine work, that Andrew and crew are doing to get rid of the password and maybe someday be able to enter something into the mo pop around. The horror of passwords is some sort of weird identity, nerd exhibit or something like that. So we'll go ahead and leave it that. Thanks everyone for listening and we'll talk with everyone in the next one. Thanks for listening to the
identity at the center podcast. If you like what you heard, don't forget to subscribe and visit us on the web and identity at the center.com.