You're listening to the identity of the center podcast, this is the show that talks about identity and access management and making sure you know who has access to what let's get started. Welcome to the identity of the center podcast. I'm Jeff. And that's Jim. Hey, Jim. Hey, Jeff, how are you? Oh, not so bad yourself, good. I'm wondering how many, dinners or events? Have you been invited to tonight? Too, but I have been preemptively tongue people.
As they start to launch into there's feel, no, thanks. I got enough already going on, but I appreciate the invites. But I wish I could eat all the steak dinners and drink all the happy hour drinks. But unfortunately, there's only one of me there is, but I think what is cool about coming to a
conference? Like, this is, there is no shortage of invites and Have some guests are going to be talking with and I'm sure they're being inundated with dinner reservations or you know, come to this happy hour or this beer garden or you know, going to Chrissy, you know, interesting shows right and things like that, take advantage of it. Like it's there for a reason, you know, I know a lot of people sometimes have like corporate policies and things like that so it can have to navigate around
that. But it's part of the experience is part of the networking that goes along with it. So I would certainly encourage folks if they're all interested. It's free. Generally the vendors going to pay for it so you might as well take advantage of it.
The worst thing you lose is a couple you know maybe a couple hours and maybe that you do get annoying email or two from some venture to try to sell you something that you have no interested in or the best thing could happen is you make a new friend in the identity space, you had an interesting unique experience or meal or something, you can tell friends about or you do find, you know, a vendor or a product or something that solves in either you're looking for either now or in the future.
So I think there's there's benefits but at the same time and I'm going to give a Up to Chris because we were trading back and forth a couple of tweets on this and it goes back to the topic that we're talking about, the introvert versus extrovert, what some people like to do that stuff. I traditionally have not, I tend to be more introvert and then expend a lot of energy doing the extrovert thing and then pull it
back. But if that's the kind of thing, take advantage of it. So but the thing, ya know, that's a good soapbox. I think the other thing with it is you're going to have invites and If you feel like, okay I'm being invited by, then there's some expectation, I'm going to buy your whatever. That's not cool, that's not cool and you should not go. But I've always whenever I invite people, it's like, you know, we'd like to be considered if it gets to that point, you know?
That's pretty much dominated even if you don't come out. Gartner. I am Summit here in Las Vegas, 20:22 got that, right? Right. Part in the RSM recording. Sweet. They so graciously paid for so we could do the podcast this week. So thank you to our some for that. And the this episode, we have for fine gentleman who we've interacted with during the week and we're going to get their take on. On the conference. And what have been the best sessions and what are the best? Takeaways?
Yes. We're going to recap day to. I'll make one correction. We've got fine five, fine, gentleman. And we've got Jim. So the first thing let's just go around the room. We get introductions and in no particular order. Basically, just how people showed up in the room. We've got Steve running, he's an identity architect at Siena. Welcome. Steve, we've got Craig Ramsay, he's a solution architect with a Mata, welcome.
We got Scott Herod. He's an, I am technically Analyst with Sallie, Mae and we've got Chris power and ops manager with Sallie. Mae, thank you guys all for for joining. This is very cool. I think you guys are listeners as well as listen to the podcast app a so you get to see the madness sort of behind the scenes as we go through our absolutely amateur process of putting something together but hopefully it makes sense and thank. First of all, thank you for
listening which is very cool. I think it's one thing I've really enjoyed is connecting with people who actually listen. It's extremely validating for something that Jim and I started three years ago With you know, hey we got 66 downloads and like three or me, because I'm checking my car, my phone, my computer. Make sure he's working, you know, and now we're at the point where like thousands of people who listen every week which is awesome and super cool, but it's
not it's not lost. I mean the fact that you know people like yourselves are taking the time out, you know, to step away from the conference come up, you know, navigate The Maze of Caesars Palace and find the room. So thank you very much for being here. Now, that being said, the first thing we always do when we have a new guest on is find out about their identity.
History. So we're going to do is we're going to start with Craig and then we're going to go to Steve and kind of work our way sort of around the table as I'm looking at it here and really kind of find out. Where did people start from added? Any perspective, is it something that you know, that that you picked and sort of wanted to get into or did it pick you go with
you Creek? Well I was a computer science graduate in 2008 and joined Financial Services organisation in the UK and that was an operational. It graduate. Game on the had a newly formed. I Am project not Department, not functioned a project, and yeah, I started there and I have been there since barring three years where I thought. I'll see what it's like being a police officer. Not for me, stop back with I am and very happy that many IG space though, very good.
So that's so how long were you in the end in space? Now that's since 14 years less than three. So 11. Yeah, over a deck is 11 years. Yeah, I need any picked identity over. Being in part of the police very much so and yet it's still more dangerous than probably being the police right now that maybe not in the UK. All right, let's go to Steve.
Yeah, I would say that. It shows me, I've worked for Sienna. Now, for 21 years, it was 21 years in July. And I started there as a help desk, analyst desktop support and I just kept putting my hand up asking for more things. So backups and email and one point networking. And everything that basically wasn't firewalls or or Solaris based operating systems. And then, three years ago, we started an architecture program and they needed somebody to look at identity.
And so I put my hand up again and it was one of the best things I ever did because I really enjoy the space. And I've been drinking from the fire hose and this kind of just drinking no drinking ironically but the definitely this podcast is really helped me come up to speed and learn a lot about the space. So thrilled to be here and happy to me. I so very cool and and shout out to my fellow helpdesk people that's where I started to. So Good Times Chris, how did you get it to Identity?
Well, I'm the new guy here. I've only been in identity for about five months. Now, I started in cybersecurity from the for the five years before that and it kept picking me, I guess would be just kind of almost combine, the two, my manager, my boss on that side. You know on the cyber security side kept thinking meet you know basically inching me over there one piece of the time and then and then a window. Appeared and I took advantage of the window this last time
around. So that's that's my story. Very cool. So yeah, I think it's relative. It's very fresh for me to be able to talk to people who are just sort of getting into it which is very neat. I enjoy that a lot Scott. How did you get inside Eddie? Well, like, every like you, I started desktop 20 years ago and kind of fell into another companies. They call it user provisioning at the time, but it was Form of I am and then interviewed for the Sallie.
Mae position really, wasn't going to take it at first because my backward background is actually networking. So that's what I went to college for, but they love, I aced the interview they loved me and I went into it and just fell in love with it. Fell in love with. I am just kept it. Kept going and I'm about six years now that I've been in it and love it. It. It's a love story for the ages. Yeah. How, how helpful has the networking background been for you in a tiny space?
Do you find that there are skills that you've learned from previous? You know, projects or learnings that like oh yeah, okay, that's kind of accelerated. Yeah, it's quite a bit there, especially with desktop in the
networking both. I'm able to be a little faster when it comes to problem, solving, some things compared to some of my colleagues, they do. Have that technical, that analyst background to, where they don't have not trying to knock on them, but they just don't see the bigger picture sometimes, and I'm able to do that. And I think that's also helps me with a part of my other expertise in some of the background that I have.
So, you know, a big thing that I've heard people talking about the industries that people who are coming into the, I am space. Now, don't have that networking background. Do you think that's a true? Statement. Yes, I believe it is because I've noticed quite a few who come in fresh without any kind of networking background or anything like that. You haven't even come in with any type of desktop support background, and it shows it
really does. And sometimes it seems like, if they had that background, it would be a little bit more easier for them to absorb. Some of the I am aspects of the job, right? In terms of like the routing and the TCP IP, you know, one thing I've Learn to my careers like you don't want to have a major changing of the network at the same time you're implementing and I am so some it's like it's a recipe for disaster. Yes, it is. I want to ask the same question over to Craig either.
You had this sort of career change where we went from Identity to essentially law enforcement and then back to add any other things, from the law enforcement side that you were able to bring back into the world of identity that helped out. I did not expect that much. They give me a second hard-hitting questions here and I didn't ya. The fuck I was there. I was at the festival show us. We can end a and the the guy there commented that I looked far too big deal.
You can't kick the shit out of viruses so you know you're really over train from that perspective. So physical security, not so much, but I think the approach to to risk assessment You could argue it's still do. So you don't remember our situation and you assess the risk, you kind of do Same day when you're speaking to people, with their identity related risk and I think you need to be able to extrapolate the up to the key business risks facing the
organization. So yeah, probably the risk assessment and risk management of the of that Loosely Steve. What about from the, your helpdesk experience. So we've got a couple of former helpdesk occurs here. What are some of things that helped kind of bridge the
identity world for you? Yeah, I think when I was thinking, you're listening to what Scott was saying about the networking side to it helps with a lot of different things in the These base, especially as you move towards things like ztn a without having a solid networking background or understanding how that would all function. It's difficult to Envision how it helps, right. So I think that's a key part and I also think that infrastructure
and help desk. Help you from Identity perspective, see things that maybe other identity identity professions, don't write like how that impacts people in the infrastructure side, how identities, work on infrastructure. So virtualization or how M putting in FA in Something could be problematic or session recording might, not be great for people or, you know, all different kinds of things like that.
When you come from that background, you start to think about how identity works in those spaces a little bit differently and it gives you a different perspective than you would have if you hadn't worked in those spaces. So I think it's valuable both ways. I think there's usually something from previous lives that is helpful and informs, you know, three editions.
I spent a lot of times in restaurants and be bartending and serving and attempt from for, you know, for my If there's no better way to learn customer service, when you're literally your salary, depends on the quality of it and getting, you know, good tips and sort of things like that and and realizing and prioritizing. Hey, your ranch, dressing isn't the most important thing in the entire world there are other things that need to be worked on first.
I feel like to one other point is that we we probably did a lot of identity without knowing it, right? And we think back to the things that we did originally were onboarding someone off-boarding provisioning. In two different accounts like we didn't think of it as an identity necessarily ride any related tasks. We just thought of it as tasks that we did. We created a test account in active directory, but we didn't think about the full lifecycle maybe or things like that.
I think it changes the perspective. Now that we know that, that was what we were doing way back when, right? It's at that a oh, that is so true. Because I feel the same way. I didn't realize I was doing identity and the early 2000s and it feels weird for me to say this. Now I started and my identity journey in the internet of things, which wasn't, there was no such thing as inner things
back. Then I was programming, programming, lighting controls, for organizations, working for essentially, creating machine identities, getting the connection that work and then managing them when she does machine identities, through a centralized management interface, you know, basically what we were doing was turning
lights on and off for parking. Lots for retail stores all around the u.s., you know, somebody realized that If we can turn these lights off at 10:00, when the store closes, we will save millions of dollars every year in electrical these right. So that was how I got my start. I didn't realize like I was thinking. I was like until recently, is it? Wow I've actually been identified then I thought because it was subliminal identity. You know I think it's important.
You know as a kind of think about that that Journey Chris from your perspective sort of the the new person coming into the identity space. Face. What are some of the things that you've taken for your prior roles and said, okay, these are things and conversely here's a follow-up question that as well. What are some things that you thought would be helpful that haven't been? Well, I'm also a help desk, you know, retiree I just cut that 20 years behind him back of my head.
I used to base lock that into a door. Yeah, I like that. I like about that. Like that for a while. That was I'm going to say, I used to help homegrown isps when they were still doing 56k modems and things like that. So, there was a whole lot of time where I was troubleshooting. Yeah, let's troubleshooting usernames and passwords on a
regular basis. I just didn't then think of it that way the, you know, to answer, you know, the answer, the question of what, you know, what didn't you know, what I've taken from other positions, I've done project management for the last 20 plus years before this. So I would say that the, you know, the tie-in for me would be that I am from other positions that come, you know, comes in handy. D is the planning is the planning.
And basically, the actually itemizing out the individual attributes and Fields and things like that and being able to dig into those items, that's something that comes in real Handy, you know, as we're having this conversation, I think about helped us now. I don't have a helped us back on myself then and doing and doing IM strategy. The first team I want to talk to from client organization. That helped us because they can very clearly articulate, where
the users are struggling. What processes are broken the front line? It's the front line, right? So you pretty much start there, you know where the user experiences for and, you know, that's going to lead to those business results. We've been talking about in this conference where you can start to reduce your costs and increasing user satisfaction is going to enable you to You know, maintain keep your employees retain your employees and you
know increase growth. So the whole the whole narrative there. But you know really poor user experiences makes doing business and being at that place harder. Yeah, I feel that I feel that that's what you know, between the help desk experience. And then I did have a had some
time in retail as well. The that's what I seem to be bringing a lot to the team at this point, is trying to bring them back to the customer, you know, remembering that even even if we don't actually have, we don't our, I am team doesn't actually deal with the outside customers. We take care of our internet, you know, basically our internal customers with that having them learn how to actually. Try to problem solve and try to not go.
Not my problem. We need to actually take advantage you need to actually work through it. That's a, that's a big windfall for us. Hey, Chris one thought that I had was when you're talking about project management. Is your background, one of the big shifts that we've also seen as the shift to Agile project management rate and specific to, I am have you what's your perspective? You like it don't like it.
So I am a certified scrum master and Also been certified in point, you know, in product management, you know, and, you know, product ownership. So therefore in and Sally is a Sally is actually a safe shop. So we are is scaled agile framework. So, yes, I very much believe in the agile process. I very much believe in scrum. I very much believe in the different variations of it. I've, I'm a big believer in it. I'm helping I'm act. That's kind of another thing that that was the original
reason. When I was brought on five years ago, just, you know, to Sallie Mae was to actually help them. Great into the, you know, into the Agile development space. That's great feedback Steve and I saw you really shaking your head there. I guess you have some
perspective on that as well. Yeah, Sienna adopted an agile methodology as well within the last couple of years and it's really changed how we do things, but I was nodding my head mostly because I think agile was designed more for software
delivery, right? So, it fits really well into that model, and it doesn't necessarily fit so well in To an architecture and infrastructure model so much but you can make it work and it's infinitely better than doing waterfall or anything like that this notion of long-term projects and and you know just things dying on the vine is gone with that.
You have the ability to to have retrospectives and throw things in your backlog and and change things as you go, you can really adapt and go makes us agile and makes us a lot more productive. And while there was a lot of resistance from some of the people that had been there long, Time. There was a lot of us that really welcomed it and it's made a huge difference in how we operate. So let's talk a bit about the conference itself. We're here at the end of day. Two of Gartner's.
I am conference and, you know, I think what we want to get and try to capture a little bit of a time capsule of what we're people's thoughts around today, you know, favorite sessions highlight moments. It could be a session. It could be a hallway conversation. I think that's part of the magic of where we get. People together and it's been a while since we've had, you know, a number of people be able to congregate in a certain in a
single spot. I've certainly seen the uptake this year having been to our essay and now here at Gartner its back, right. I think people are for the most part, sort of back to, you know, relatively normal this point, but I just want to go around the table at this point. We'll start with Scott is, what are some of those highlight moments from the second day of the conference? Any specific sessions or hallway? Stations or vendor conversations. That might have been had things like that.
That were interesting for you today. Well, one of our conversation is with a vendor. We already deal with. I don't know if cool to sell
point and we're sort of them. Yeah, we're still trying to still trying to figure everything out with that were fairly new with them, two or three years, maybe four years in, but we're still trying to get everything worked out, get the Kinks worked out of everything and We had a pretty good conversation with them today about some of the things that we're trying to do to better our processes and they gave us some good, some good feedback, some good things that
we can try to do from there but there's still some things that we just need to figure out on our own to try to push forward with our processes at the moment because we were still pretty new with it. So we're trying to get it figured out. So this is a great opportunity though. You've got a bunch of you know, people who are Point customers. For example, here that have experienced appointing it both customers and integrators, and things like that. Might be good for undertaking
like breakfast talk, right. We have, you know, these awkward breakfast's every morning where you're sitting on around tables, like, I don't know who's going to show up and, you know, it's an opportunity to kind of either commiserate, collaborate, whatever, you know, where do you want to use to try and get insights from that? And, you know, maybe I'll shout out there as I hate. Maybe some point can hook you up with another customers here that has had somewhere concerns or
issues. And how did they saw that? It's Of the community. Right? From, they'd any perspective is, I think for the most part it's not Secret Sauce deploying software, doesn't matter whether it's omata or sale point or save Ian or any other privilege accident where maybe there isn't a lot of Secret Sauce in the deployment process. Here's how we get things put in
place, here's what's next. What's next, looks nice, water challenges, everyone deals with politics, everyone deals, with funding resources, those sorts of things might gather some ideas on, you know, how they have those conversations, Chris, huh? Yourself. I would think I wouldn't, I wouldn't point at a specific, you know, at a specific in your specific event today or the last couple days, it would have been more.
I think, I learned that Pam was not the golden key that I thought it was to solve everything. You know. I really had. I had two things that was resonating in my mind when I walked into this conference. What is IGA? And what is Pam? You know like what can Pam Really do and I thought Pam could solve all my solve all my problems. I found out that really I needed to split Pam and half and pay attention to just in time as well as just enough access and those are the two things that I
as an operations manager. Really care more about then. Yeah. Then the pret you know than the than the Pam side I have another team that couldn't take care of that site. You take care of the pan please. So I have a new kind of a new Target to go after and then I got to learn about that throughout the day. Last two days and since your perspective I think you know I think sometimes some of the veterans in the space sort of get lost in the details and kind of take for granted.
I think it was Enrique from Gartner, he gave a good presentation earlier today around Cloud infrastructure and title what management. Kim Keem, whatever. I hope we figure out which way we're going to pronounce it at some point, but he has a view on the product space of identity and I hope it would say because I'm whole giving I'm gonna give him credit. And it's something that I've also been thinking about is what are the different sort.
Of pillars of identity access management identity governance and privileged access management kind of redundant access management privileged access management but those three Technologies really forming the core of any organization's capabilities. You've got ought, you've got a fun occasion. You got authorization get life cycle, things like that. It is interesting to hear folks who are looking at the different and they're focusing on specific pillars. We had Rosa black with someone.
I worked with a long long, long time ago. She came into this conference, from a view of. I want to note today is all about Pam. I'm going to focus on Pam related information and today was other things, right? Things like that. So, it is interesting. Sort of here, the strategy, if we can have your, how you're attacking the sessions. Craig. So you're on the opposite side.
Everyone, here's a customer. You're on the vendor side, I guess, what has been some of the highlights, you know, for you, as you've entered the conference today and probably the conversation saving Jemma seat for lunch to get invaded. The podcast but well worth it. Yeah no. I mean the conversations been having with people, I mean there's been great feedback on a lot of the sessions of attended.
I think the keynote this morning was somebody from Pixar talking about storytelling and I think the important thing there is you're talking about, securing budget and competing budgets. They're having just now and making compelling arguments about why people should do anything about identity. So you winning the hearts and minds of people in the front line and service desk is one thing. But mean Chris you said you know people think That we don't talk
to our external customers. But if you do strong identity, governance, or manager identity released properly you do. So one Senior Management sea level people are doing business impact assessment of the key risks in their organization. If that's, you know, protecting their critical assets of their information and data about Pi or financially sensitive data, identity, governance or strong identity policy can do that.
If it's people that for example, maybe the manage the National Road Network and its Legacy systems that manage that making sure those systems are properly managed and they have that risk under control ensures that they keep those roads operating. And then being able to tell that story to get the budget, to show the advantages to your external customers. And the people on the front line in the organization, I think.
Yeah. Hopefully people have taken from that the ability of telling a good story, and I'm making it compelling to show why identity is so important. And crucial, I really did enjoy that first opening Keynote. Was Matthew loon. I think is was his name and you know, having the the pics is experience with The Simpsons and
Pixar and that storytelling. I think this is something that Jim and I have been doing you know for the last several years and this is something we go into our you know our work lives with strategy development things is what's the story. What is it that we're trying to convey as part of this strategy? And I think it's something that gets lost a lot of times in the details like oh we're going to roll on IJ platform. What like that doesn't like, what does that get for me?
Like, at that doesn't, that doesn't do. There's a spark joy for me, right? What is it? We're trying to solve and really try to share that message. Steve, what about yourself other than appearing, on the identity of the center podcasts? What are some of the other highlights from day two for you? That's definitely the biggest highlight for sure. Obviously quite a few things actually. I don't think I have a specific favorite session, but some overarching themes, right? So you mentioned.
Kim. That's a big one for me. I've been thinking about that for quite some time. I'm kind of along the lines of all other identities, right? If we haven't got Workforce figured out by now, there's a problem, right? You either don't have budget or you don't have resources to be able to nail down the work for side of things, but all other, all other identities matter and that could be machine identities. It could be RPA. It could be service accounts.
You know, if you're doing your due diligence on all the other things investing in MFA and and lifecycle management for all those other things, why aren't you doing it for those other accounts? It's almost low hanging fruit to a threat actor, right? So, I was happy to learn more about Kim and happy to see that. It's one of those things in the hype cycle, where it's like, you should probably be doing this now. So being a company that's
adopted a cloud. First mentality, we exist in several of the major clouds right now but we don't have an amazing story around that and I think it's something that needs to be addressed. And I think Kim is a big part of us being able to do that. The second Would be the converged. Infrastructure is now, right. So we're looking at Best in breed in the governance space and the Pam space and the access management space.
But we're seeing companies like OCTA, doing it in All 4, One type thing, and that may work for some companies that may not. It may work for others or may not work for others, but I think it's an interesting play, and I think that seeing more of that is a good thing for the industry, because it started it's starting to take us away. Away from these silos right? Like I'm best in breed here and best in breed here and best in breed here. But I don't talk to any of the
other pieces, right? So, a big part of what our methodology is in Siena, is that we want things to build this identity fabric. We heard that today too, but so that we share signals between all those things. So we can make educated decisions about identity throughout the entire ecosystem because it is a system of systems, right? So Jim, how about yourself what's the Highlight for you highlight? For me, I'll do them being on the show other being either this
all the time though. Sorry for you. Shout out. I love do Shadows. Who our listeners are pivot Kana stop by and she picked me out of the crowd. She said, I couldn't miss you with your crazy hair and your wild suit, and she like the suit, but that wild, it's a blue suit. Yeah, she, she said she listens to the show. She was off her daily walk. A lot and, you know, between us, there's a rotation of identity of the center with NPR Podcast, which production You those pretty decent?
Yeah, they're catching up to us. Yeah, they're catching up with us, right? No, but it's so great, like meeting all the folks who listen. And so one thing she said was so many times when she listens to the show and thinks of a question and then doesn't like, send it to us. Right away. Our project, she's doing them us. Yeah, this is linked in some, right, but she's off for a walk. So I get it and then to like forgets what? She wanted to ask, and then never send everyone series.
But Where to point out. So we did respond to that one. Twitter like 50 questions in one Twitter. Yeah, and the man who submitted that here is Chris power. He threw down the gauntlet. We accepted the challenge. Yeah. So just some little proof that we're not just like making these things up. Yeah, you came up with like, I don't know, eight hundred different topics in. I don't know how many characters you get into a tweet, but it was like, jam packed with stuff.
It was good. Those are the types of things that I like to do. And like, okay, that's a good question because it's always just Jim. And I thinking about ideas, And you pull that, you know the curtain sometimes it's Friday afternoon. We have no idea. We're going to talk about and we figure it out at the last second kind of like put something together so definitely you know tweets help and Arpita for
listening. If you've got questions, you know, tell our favorite virtual assistant and we'll set it off again, you know, make a note, whatever that stuff is cool, Steven. And I have treated, you know, messages through Linkedin and stuff like that. I mean, that's part of the community, right? I think that's the one thing I found and I'm sure Craig can Echo that is people are So you won't share information and
discuss things. Again, we're not talking Secret Sauce, you know, this is identity and access management. Everybody has similar challenges and there might be things that are out there. So definitely encourage folks to reach out highlights for you. Jeff, I really like the Pixar
thing. I got tell you right now, this is a highlight being able to sit down and have a conversation with identity with people who are, you know, In The Biz, this is the largest show we've ever done, we've got, you know, six people around this room in this in this week. Thank you are awesome. And having a conversation with real people is very cool. You and I get to talk all the time, we're not real people, they were not real people. We're just seeing a little squares on people's.
I guy on the screen. You and I get to talk all the time. What's rare for us is to be able to have, you know, meaningful conversations with folks are out there living it and really kind of its educational for me to like what are the problems that people are seeing up there? I certainly have a Viewpoint doesn't mean it's right wrong and different right there. Just what else is going on in the world stuff like that and you know, just being able to
have fun. No, we had a, you know, interesting show that we went to last night. I think, you know, a couple people here in the room. Probably will keep it, you know, clear for the people who might be listening that might get us in trouble but hopefully it was memorable. I know that was for me. Definitely. I sort of knew what was going to happen but you know get into but I didn't realize it would be to that level, but it was I enjoyed it.
I think it was awesome. You know that that's those that kind of stuff is like the Highlight for me. Lighter topic. So you haven't told us what the questions going to be but I'm ready. Well, that's a good lead-in, because here's my question. I'm going to put everyone on the spot to tell me what is then the the best vendor swag events dinner. You know, something that you've seen or experienced here, you know, throughout the show, will start with Scott and say, okay.
What is if it's going to be a shaming moment, we will spare the vendor. You, we can, maybe you can lose use, you know, descriptive words around it. But what's been the best vendor swag or event thing? That's that you've experienced so far. Well, we did get to go to a party. It was a kind of a Yeah, well went to we had drinks said, you know, at one of the local lounges downstairs downstairs in the in the casino area that was nervous. That was a big one. Yeah.
That was a pretty big. That was nice. The or door or d'oeuvres were amazing? Yeah, yeah. They were, I know, it's kind of bad just to say that it's what the Highlight was or. But yeah, for me, especially like you, I'm an introvert. So that's big for me. But yeah, that was that was, that was great. He was a good atmosphere, everything like that, it was real. Eyes, free food, and drink is very difficult to turn down.
Is Chris, is that yours as well? I will say the unknown the unnamed thing from last night was probably the highlight of my, you know. Yeah. The highlight real highlight is for, you know, events, you know events are, you know, Swag is kind of things. I'm a sucker for, you know, for security socks. So that was my like you know when I walked in the door into the vendor all that was what I was looking for.
I basically just really Did just do a beeline up and down the rows just to basically go. Hey, can I have some socks? Great, you know, and just kept picking those up. I haven't been able to go through the Thunder Hall. Who's got the socks? IBM, has sucks. Let's see here. I mean I'm had sucks and I there was red and black socks. I don't remember who those guys are. We're talking socks. I can your feet? Yeah. Rat-like. Audit regular good, old-fashioned dress socks. Optive, headstocks.
Those were the I got three pairs of socks yesterday. That was my, that was my goal. All right, good. And are you going to wear them wear? I will. Okay, Stephen about yourself the on the show that will be remain. Unnamed was the highlight for me and I hadn't had a chance to tell you guys this, but another vendor, I was meeting afterwards and they surprised me with the unnamed show, again, at 10:00 really. So, I did the doubleheader of these in deferral.
It was slightly different, but every bit as enjoyable as the first very cool. Yeah, all right. Once cramping, our style here, we have to file trademark or something. Craig, you're on the you're on the vendor side. So you're probably doing more of the entertaining or at least being part of some of those plans have been first and foremost off to the shoe is finished. I need to find out the name of the other named Joe. I think I'm dumb shamelessly
going to say. I think, I mean we've had feedback weird, they'll monitor offering a prize of Lego Technic, Lamborghini or Ferrari. Which a lot of people are being Keen to enter. Yes, that's us. I want the Lamborghini. And then, in terms of swaggin, I'm going to have to apologize to the guys because I've forgotten her name. The dude, give me their lived in
Edinburgh for a year as well. So we had a bit of a connection talking about the fact that I'm from Edinburgh to and but as a Scottish person, I love my whiskey. And these guys are handing out ice molds to mold your own giant round ice cubes. So yeah, I had to take a couple of those to make some jnh balls at home. So here's the secret, right? If you're giving out swag it's
got to be packable, right? I've seen You know, lightsabers and swords and things like that, it's like yeah, there's like what you can do with that man. If that's gonna go in someone's overhead, it's going to poke an eye out. Whatever it may be Jim. How about you highlight or spend your swag? I got this great one Cosmos ChapStick and I got a beer koozie from Save Ian. Okay, those are my this, my items. Okay. How about you?
I haven't gotten any swag yet, but I've had nice dinners, you know, I think the show last night was I light material for sure. I'll go with that even though it was self self swag, I don't know if that's a word but I'm just going to create a right now. You paid for your swag. Yeah, exactly. It was, it was cool. I'm glad we're able to do it and I'm glad people received as well, which is kind of cool. All right, we're going to go ahead and wrap it up there. I really do again.
Appreciate you guys being part of this want to thank you all for listening contributing being part of the conversation. You know taking the time out again from your days and I know these are long days. I think yesterday I finally made bed Made it back to my room like 2:30 and publish the LinkedIn post, hey, we got a new show, you know, stuff like that. So, if it's again, it's super appreciated for sure.
Any last final thoughts? Jim, no. It's just, I'm appreciating everybody like you are cool. All right, we're gonna leave it there for this week. We're on the web. Identity center.com, or on Twitter at idac podcast. So, if you have questions, comments, concerns enemies. Send them our way. We're happy to take friendly listeners, not-so-friendly lesson, Hate, listening friendly listening. Well it's all listen to us, we don't care. We'll go out and leave it there for this week.
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