Do you know who has access to what this is? The identity at the center podcast? If you're looking for identity and access management talk you've come to the right place and now on to the show, Welcome to the identity at the center podcasts. I'm Jeff and that's Jim here I am. There you are, that's where you are. You're there. Today was day, one of the cooping, ercole consumer identity World Conference,
that's a mouthful. Yeah, good job pronounciations whooping whooping, her coming up, injure, which I've said before coming herself but yeah, whooping her as I learned today. So already a successful conference. Yes, right, learn something. We can we can now correctly. Say, the sponsors name. My attitude is generally, I want to learn something new every day once I do, I shuffle. Yeah, so we learn that pretty early. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Today was a day of workshops and there was a few different things that were talked about. There was a presentation by ID Pro around identity, access management or kind of like an intro. I am but that's another good topics in there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when I saw two topic on the agenda, I thought okay I've been in the industry for 15 years. Probably skip this one but it was a single track day. So I sat in the session was Sarah and Ian and they're both really brilliant people and I
got a lot out of it, you know. I think one of the things sometimes, when you're so close to something is you don't see with it. You'll see the first or the trees. Are basically I think that's the right amount things that. But basically, what I mean by that is, you know, they had a slide for example on IDP Discovery or on Discovery. So it was, you know, somebody is doing a Federated login, how do you know what IEP to send them to and they gave a good framework of a, the three
methods. And I think that is really interesting. So I actually think what I'd like to do Do is get their slide deck and maybe even have one of them. Come on the show some time and really just go through what Ida Pro is all about me. Pick some of those topics and and kind of dive into them. Could be therapy and might be getting back from your hesitation. Yeah. And since we talked about in the past, I think, as we've kind of
grown into this podcasts, right? And kind of learned how it, how it works that we can, you know, start to figure out how to, how to get some some better guests and Were guests from other things that our guests from the money. Yeah. But I was wrong. The were is wrong word but just, you know, more guests different guests from different areas and their cat top neurosurgeon but I do pro is a great word. It's only been around for, I want to say this is the third year.
It started at the Ping Identity conference which became identify reverse severally identify think it was 2016. It was in Chicago and so I'm a founding member of the organization just like, you know, a bunch of other people and Ice also served last. Last year or this year I should say on the board nomination committee. So I do have some relationships there. That maybe you might be helpful to kind of bring onto the show
and then talk group. Yeah, I think that would be is it is a good, a good well-run well-managed and kind of well-executed organization. It feels like they're trying to make significant Change for the good in the industry. So one of the things they were talking about is how the help people get up speed quicker. And I think the way that it was put was it takes people between five and ten years to really know the industry and that was based on survey responses and
others people self grading. So, you know, I think you could look as a out if you if you've been in the industry 15-20 years like you won't know it. As much as I know for so long. But this is people greeting themselves and I think the thought pattern well most of us who get into.
I am start with a single product right before, we're not really industry experts for, you know, during that period where we're only working with one product because we get very product focus and how that product solves a particular problem, right? Yeah, I remember they went out
so everyone out. So it would definitely was a poll of ID Chrome. Embers and kind of get that sense of when to feel when do people feel proficient and it was that 5 to 10-year Mark. But, you know, even people who have been in the space for 15-plus years like you and I I still feel like, there's always something new to learn, right? Technology is always changing. I think there's Core Concepts, right? That maybe now we take for granted right there. Are people who don't have that
experience, right? We have Morgan on a few weeks ago, you know, she's relatively new to the I am space. You know, it's people like that. That, how do we groom the Next Generation? I know that was a topic that actually, you know, someone wrote in looking for us to talk about, I think, in some point in the future, once we get through this, little travel still work on, it would be a good idea to kind of, get those folks back into room and really kind of
talk about. How do we get, how do we get the, you know, folks who don't have as much experience with? I am. Snag them in college and see no other areas, you know, younger folks are people who are just looking to make a change. And And try to, you know, help them along their path. Yeah. Totally Ida pro has this project, they're working on called the body of knowledge which is essentially the intent is to be kind of a, you know, a training manual for I am.
Yeah. You know it was interesting. Was it was meant to be kind of I think the way Sarah was putting it was. It's like so first off. I'm PMP. So that's project management professional. That's the group that PMI that built the pain. My project management body of knowledge. So I actually had to know it like down to the job until at one point and what she was saying was that they want to create a body of knowledge but they don't want it to dictate best practices.
And my thought was, well, the pin bog definitely. So this is the best practice. It is not a agnostic from that sense, but I do think that And I am it's a little dangerous to you know try to say this is the best practice I think him. Similarly different people have different perspectives on what the best practices. Well they change. So I mean they can change relatively quickly if you think about it like what was that? Like two years ago SMS is fine.
Maybe three years ago but SMS is fine for a one-time password. Now it's not even recommended by nist standards and no think historically nist has moved as quickly maybe as you know the industry but even nests you know it is Saying, yeah, we're deprecating that and it's no longer considered a secure form for authentication, right? That being said, if you're only using an ID and a password, and the only option you have available is to use some sort of SMS, you know, OTP, then it's
probably better that. It's nothing at all, rather than nothing, right? But yeah, things move so quickly. That I don't know if you want to set a best practice today for without having to have several pages of This is a point in time, you know exactly. You're going to have to just I mean no matter what you do you're going to have to update. That's the one thing about identity management is pretty cool.
Since I first got into industry, the first conference I went to was called digital ID world, and it was like, I think, you know, was there because Rob he's been around for a long time but, you know, it was like they talked about I am The standpoint of like, what is the father, who what is the identity? And it was really quite loved that about.
I was like, you know, I never really thought about what is an identity mean to the philosophical discussion philosophical discussion about it and, you know, there's so many different Industries where they've kind of disappeared as industry and they've just become like could you imagine A CRM or Erp industry event? I don't think those exist. I think they're all focused on their one product and they're
all product Focus now. So it's a very, you know, Salesforce or sap or, you know, one of those guys or maybe like Microsoft or something, but, you know, I didn't imagine still has vendor agnostic conferences. Yeah. Which is that? Yes, I think it's great. There's so many So many products out there, you know, sometimes I fundamentally, I feel like fundamentally.
They do pretty much the same thing, they helped me understand who has access to what, and if that is appropriate at its basic level, that's pretty much all I am is right, that is different things right there. Could be, you know around yes, education site operation side, you know, wherever he may be. But there's so many still good conferences.
Like you said that you can see the, you know, compare and contrast the different solutions because each one has an area think that they're really good at we're other specialized maybe in, you know, another area of I am or even just down to, you know, I'll call like simple things like IGA then he governs Administration doing just the basics of Plumbing of provisioning accounts be provisioning accounts. Yeah, you know, certifications sale Point does it this way?
Saving? It does it this way, Oracle does it another way. They all have different strengths that they liked him. Yeah, I asked the question and it wasn't like in order to stump these guys because I'm really interested to see if they had an answer. But you know it's like we talked about Samuel to and we talked about oauth 2 and open ID connect and I asked question what what's next and Puma was mentioned, that's definitely one that it has people's interests and their future.
Dietary things. But it's a little bit hard. I think hard question to answer because I don't think there's anything emergent that's like. Finally, the next you see, here's the thing. I don't know what it is, but I can tell you that 10 15 years down the road soon, be something else. That's kind of feel like about actor-director right somewhere? Someone is out of replaced, active directory, right? We just don't know it yet.
That's right. He's kind of same way that what no vowel, you know, all of a sudden was gone and you're really replaces Novella essentially, right? Yeah. So something's out there and replace it. I'm curious to see how the blockchain plays into this. I think there's some sessions and next couple days. Yeah, around that decentralized identity. Sarah did have, you know, interesting, use case around Puma, you may wear.
It was kind of like a point-to-point identification, which I think is interesting because in the age of privacy, you don't necessarily need need to know someone's birth date or you just need to know you know are they old enough to do what they're trying to do? Is it by a Beer by whatever where they need to be 21 or maybe devote right? You don't really need all that information. Just Yes or no. Basically, it's a binary.
So then you start having the idea of like an identity provider being government agency, and things like that. Which, you know, that idea has been getting further else's digital ID 1, I can see ya nationally and, you know, I don't know, it's like as much as it seems to make sense and never really, actually seems never happen. I think part of it is, you know, I'm not an anti-government person. But, you know, I think the government moves, Too slow to keep up with the pace of
technology for consumers. Yeah, isn't it? I think it's Estonia. They've gone to an all-digital identification. I don't know enough about speak intelligently. So I'm going to stop right there. All right, but I'm pretty sure it's a Stony a little bit more, but, I'm pretty sure it's a Stony of that has gone to like an all digital identity. Do all their voting online. I'm not sure how secure it is, but you know that, Could be something that becomes a case.
Study of, here's what works and here's what doesn't work, because like anything else, technology people processes Etc, will continue to evolve mature etcetera based on the needs of humans. Yeah, until the robots take over. So one last thing I want to do is mention I was talking about that Discovery. I went back and looked at the slide because it's a picture of it. So the three forms were first one they called NASCAR. I thought was a really cool
name. So the NASCAR was the login screen with all the little witches or icons. Also got they're like yeah sponsored by Google or Yahoo Plankton laughing. Yeah. So I thought that was pretty cool.
That was method. Number one is so this is IDP Discovery, that's it. One must NASCAR method to was what they call IDP discovery which was you Put in your domain or you hit a drop down, select your domain and then the third was user base, which is where I say this is probably the most common you type in an email address type style user name and it truncates off you know at yeah. Whatever is the environment clean and then we'll send you back to the room. That's interesting.
Yeah. So anyway, more to come on. That probably the other part of the, the afternoon was focused on a workshop around how to manage through a data breach and this was truly a workshop. So when I saw it on the agenda didn't really distinguish, okay? Workshop means there's going to be a lot of participation by folks in the audience.
So it wasn't just watching a bunch of And some actually thought that was good, really kept it from being too boring at least for me. But the case you guys were Richard Hill and John Tolbert, I thought it was a really good session. I think that the big message was what was in session. So what was it about? It was handling your identity breachers, a customer. They went through the workshop was kind of, a lot of, here's
kind of the problem. One of the problems is, if you look at handling your breach, there's how you can prevent it, how you can detect it and how you can respond, most of the investment that at least. So they did a survey of companies in the UK and like ninety percent of those companies have invested. And prevention 55% had done some level of investment in detection. Only 13% invested in response. Yeah.
So in other words the planning for the response, the problem is like the Dave reaches I think occurred are currently 50 percent of companies or something like that. I mean it's a really high percentage, I don't know who said it, but if there's the old adage of either, you've been either, you've been hacked. Or you don't know yet, right?
Exactly. And then what they're also saying was like, you know, Common, there's coming patterns that there that they found in their survey, there's a survey by the Hanuman institute. There's one by IBM, and a lot of the numbers are the same and one of the the shocking statistics is it takes about a half a year on average to even detect that you've been hacked. This is why I'm such a big fan of things like machine learning and AI. Yah is How You Gonna Catch? There's no way, you know, that
it makes sense to staff. Dozens hundreds of analysts just to try and pour over logs and you know whatever maybe he. So I think that's I think that's what you're seeing now is the kind of the Leading Edge of. I am is a lot of this focus on machine learning. Hey, I see a product like exiting for example, right? We're doing that kind of looks long and it was getting into it well especially when a lot of these data breaches. Start with a phishing attack.
Other words, you're getting somebody credentials one way or the other and then you start accident, if you're a hacker you start accessing the network in a way that would be normal all the day I do. And in that case, whose you say, okay, while you're accessing the network, in a way that's normal, we're accessing it from China, right? Or you're accessing it from the VPN in your on the network at the same time, right? Into different avoid that
doesn't make sense right? Or you're you know trying to Access different things that you normally don't try to access, right? Right. And then exactly so search kicking off a weird pattern and it requires somebody to go look into it further. But I think that was that's the thing is that so many of these cases happen and then organizations don't have a plan to deal with data breach and then one occurs and there. They're trying to fight a battle without a plan, right?
So things start moving very quickly on you when I thought was interesting about that part where the vast majority of the spend was on the prevention side and very minimal spend on response. I think you see that today in some of the responses, you see, if the companies where frankly, their trash responses, they're not good, right? They just do a terrible job and every once in a while, I'll see
a company, I'm trying things. Off the top of my head I can think of was like okay they actually I think they did a good job. Yes they got hacked that's bad. But at least they're responsible bit better. And if there was some interesting conversation to room around, why do we think the response spend is so small? In comparison to prevention detection mitigation, those sorts of things and I don't member who said in the room, but I was kind of thinking see anything.
It's if you're spending, but this is just a perception thing, right? If you're spending a lot of money. On recovery or response. Isn't that self-defeating because the whole point of you spending money on prevention and detection, all those sort of things is that you don't get to the response. So what are you saying to your CEO and say, hey I need, you know, a million dollars for prevention and detection and another million dollars for response.
Or what do you mean, why am I spending million dollars on prevention if you're telling me that's already going to fail? So I think it's an issue given the dynamic that, you know, cisos and cios other folks. He's likable have to balance that, you know that. Yes, we're going to do everything we can to stop the breach, but we know that inevitably something could happen and we need to prepare
for it as well. Yeah, the Challenger would have on that would be, it should not cost you a million dollars. So, I was responsible, I was using easy numbers for my citizenship in some companies. Maybe it would, because I think that parallel, and it is like a disaster. Every plan, you know, yes, you go into your Datacenter gu built on a redundancy and Geographic redundancy and things like that. That doesn't mean you couldn't fall prey to a disaster, right?
And every companies deserve for her, reflect it and the disaster recovery. Plan could say, well, you know, we have a hot side over here. So we should never be down. And the response plan like this for a data breach probably probably know. Oh like you know no matter what we're covered, right? But at least give a plan to say when we find out Something's Happened. This is the team that's going to run with it and those folks are
prepared know their role. Yeah, I think that was, I think one of these you spoke about was ownership, very who owns this. And I think people kind of thinking around the room because it can't see, faces was kind of like, uh, that's a good question. Who owns this?
Yeah, so so the way they approach the workshop the KCI is was they set up a fictitious example I guess they said it was based on something that really happened but regardless you can see how this could really happen and they dribbled a little bit of information as the hack was playing out.
So you were in the shoes of a new security analysts have been with the company for a week and, you know, so slide one was like Like you start hearing about some issues where the helped us who's getting slammed with all these questions about their accounts and then you saw a social media post that some accounts have been posted to the dark web, you're starting to become aware of it and that's one where the reporter.
Then the final step to the reporter calls you I reporter calls you from some online media site. And as you You know about this episode. I think that's where things got really interesting. Their room, great. Yeah. My perspective was, you know, phones Curiosity Company. My role is not to talk to Media right now agreed that otherwise would have media training employee.
Yeah, exactly. But, you know, and the point I was making was, you know, answering that question, even just say, like, no, I don't know that I'll have somebody get back to you. That could be a headline, like security analyst, doesn't your this company. As even know that they stay number of ways. I think he has fun A number of ways. I'm just looking for a headline. I think I'll take away on that
part though. Was that from a training perspective, making sure the organization knows who to send media inquiries to one of the companies I work for. That was part of our training was if you receive requests from the media for, you know, send them to this person or this department, or phone number, whatever it was. And we had to actually do that every year rice, you know, it was because it, you know, people change it.
And procedures, whatever. But it was something that was actually accounted for from a organizational level, somebody made that statement. I think because, you know, from that perspective, the data breaches not much different than any other type of accident that could tap. So if your you had a factory and the factory caught fire and they somebody found your number or they were just kind of word island of corporate phone number, you know, block they got
you. I want to know about the fire, you know, you'd have to know, don't say anything is not your job, right? Send them to that corporate phone number. So, even if you had a plan, if you had a plan around how to do a data breaches, it should include having them call that number because I think they would know how to say no comment you know, I'll return your call later or something like that. They would know how to Surely get all kinds of offbeat calls all the time.
Yeah. That's when you see her it, when you read like a news article you know reached out to so-and-so have not heard back or you know did not provide a comment, right, right? Which is probably okay at that early stage, right? You're probably still fact-finding and trying to figure out what the heck is going on. You know. You would hope that the organization would be aware of things before it gets the outside. But this is the real world and it doesn't always happen, right?
So I can't. So at that point, we're kind of at the point. Or with so you're starting to become aware. You were starting to think, okay there's something I need to look into but before you re believe even the look into it, you get this media call then advances into you start having more information come your way. I think the real key is if you have a plan you know who to get involved and you start things going, it's kind of fast forward because I even though it was a great session.
What I wanted to talk about was There were two example videos that we watched her kind of News interviews. The first one was with the British Airways when they got breached and it was two weeks after they hadn't come out and made a public statement that point. So they had this guy home kind of a talking head because that's the other. So many Talking Heads on news channels and sports channels these days.
And he's just saying, you know, Thing after another and it was, they lost control of the situation. They didn't get out and proactively communicate. About British Airways. Yeah, pretty sure ways. And, you know, and they lost the opportunity to kind of formulate, the message and let customers know that they'll be made whole and they'll be taken care of in that. Not only that, that their planes are safe, right?
This had nothing to do with the operation of their planes because I think with an airline okay, even if you got my credit card number five, Fine. I don't want to be on a plane that crashed. Well, it's interesting because look at what happened recently, the 737 Max, right? A grounder that worldwide because of the software issue, software issue young. So now we're starting to let me on board. The lines between it's not just payment and billing software issues can happen anywhere from
playing. You certainly don't want to happen in the air for sure. So you have to be able to steer the message where you need to go, obviously they want to mislead people, right? But controlling the narrative, which You know, is all over the place. Politics, Etc Sports, whatever it may be is a key part of making sure that it goes stories. Go the direction, you're looking some gum. Yeah, exactly. The other video we watched was
the CEO of talk talk. And this interesting, the room, a lot of people had an opinion on whether or not the CEO did a good job. No, I watched the video. I thought the CEO did a good job in that. I felt like she was being honest. Yeah, she was not trying to cover anything. Yup, there was an attack journalism from style, but I also could see the point, some of the other people were making, which was she look like, she had slept in 48 hours, probably
hadn't Hughes hanging your head. Her body language was pretty weak and then there's attack journalist, just like peppering her with questions and rather than Prosecuting instead of interview Prosecuting, right? She wasn't letting your finisher answers, the answers for never good enough. And it's like, you, The people who handle that the best basically put the reporter in their place and say, one question at a time, you know, let me finish answering.
So, Anyway, we should try to find those videos and app to the show notes. I think that, you know, I know we're kind of jumping all over because we don't want the show to go on for ever, in the day. But one of the other interesting conversations was around when to get law enforcement involved, I am. And there was a FBI special agent in the room as well. There was an FBI special agent or no, and I've had we found him. Yes, I thought that was pretty cool.
You know, depending on the industry or in depending on what the potential risks of the, of the reach, our main we were looking at a I think we're led to believe that this particular company wasn't in the in the business doing anything that would threaten the lives and safety of people therapies, like an e-commerce type scenario. I think really right. It's an e-commerce area but it didn't seem like as e-commerce
like Gun Company, right? They weren't selling guns, firing line or anything but, you know, imagine a scenario where your client is selling guns or public safety's involved in some way. I think you need to be much quicker in terms of contacting law enforcement before you even
had the full picture. Yeah, if your something where lies aren't threatened, maybe take your time to try to, you know, you don't want to Um, did love law, enforcement involvement, find out that actually learnt for each and this is all a big mistake, right? I think the FBI is going to have a presentation on Friday in a couple days. So we'll see if it's worth if it's worth talking about that point but he certainly didn't want to spoil or, you know, steal his own Thunder ahead of
that. What did you think of the show? The show the, the conference overall, because I have opinions. Ins? I'll let you go first. Well, is very small, I like the style of today and I don't think the style of today is going to carry forward the way the conference Hall is that I shouldn't even call a conference Hall. It's a floor on a hotel, but there's another conference going on in the room next to ours. So tomorrow it will be split
across those two rooms. There may be more people so I think too Kind of make my call now would be premature, right? It's definitely a hot, take a hot date, but I'm having fun and, you know, I met a guy named Dirk wolf healed from cognitum software. He's a GDP, our expert. And one thing I didn't realize is that there are companies already paying fines gdpr. British Airways was one right. There's a and it's not an insignificant amount.
It's based on a bleeder Gross profit or something like that. Exactly. Year, 25 percent of your gross revenue deficit Olivia. Yes, if you're 100 billion dollar company, could be five billion dollars. Yeah, that's nothing to sneeze that. So, yeah. So anyway, he was showing me some data that's publicly available and, you know, there are some large US companies being fined for their activities, in countries, in Europe. And I know Google was just a news recently because they won a
lawsuit against gdpr. Okay? The it's around the right to be forgotten. Part of GDP are. And what gdpr was arguing, was that if someone makes a request to be forgotten, Google or the search engine would have to remove it from all of their product, from all of their search engines, meaning even searches, and search engines in different regions, not Located in European country and Google one. I'm sure he'll get a peel Google. One by saying, are they won? The ruling from the judge.
Was that? No, that's not correct. They only have to remove it from the, you know, the member areas of the EU that are falling under gdpr. So America is not covered under that you know, other other areas. So I think that was a real interesting ruling how that's going to kind of move things forward because theoretically, Lee, you know, if you're in, let's say France, all you have to do is just change it to the US version and you be able to still find whatever it is,
you're looking for versus. If you're in France version of Google, for example, the results weren't show up. I want to give Dirk Werner on our podcast because we get asked by customers all the time about, Judy PR. And now companies are receiving, real finds remain real money and this guy knows a lot about. So I'd like Get him on and share some of this information with Arliss. So I'm going to agree and say I thought was it's a very small conference. The format of the conference is
three days. Today was really kind of Workshop, so it's even though it's day one of the concrete, that's really more, like Day Zero. So I'm curious to see how things ramp up the next two days because then becomes more of a conference type thing where those different sessions. But it's still relatively small. I think from my account today, there were less than 30 people there today, which is a very small number, you know, for a concern, you know, and identity world.
Now I believe this is a new conference. It's the u.s. I think it's only been around for here that could be wrong on that and I felt like today was really good. It could have been a webinar for sure but by being in the room and being able to have interactions with all the other attendees and there was a pretty good mix from different people of, you know, other Consultants.
But you know companies and you know some fairly big companies as well that we're having the conversation of the room it was I think that's the part that Rose like okay. This was a good thing to be here for. I just hope that the next couple days, get a little bit bigger, but I think the content itself is hopefully going to live up to Billy's my expectations because I think that there's a there's something here and it kind of strikes me as you know.
It's a relatively new seems like they'll regret. So relatively new show. It's for my European based company think it's Cooper. Miracle is in Germany. I think is really really Munich Germany, right? Where they're based out of. So They're much bigger. I think I'm you know the across the Atlantic I think we need to go and that fighting Weenie Roast acts that evaluation. Now my favorite thing of the conference today was what the food food was really good but specifically one item of food.
I guess the brownies brownies brownies were actually really good but and I'm a chocolate guy. So I definitely would have gotten that but no, it was potato chips. Oh yeah, they were. Unexpectedly good, you were Dynamite. Yeah, I'm gonna consider the day one a success just based on learning how to pronounce whooping your coal and the quality of the potato chips. Yeah, here's my problem is that I eat like 6,000 calories a day when I go to conferences, like
this food is too good. That's not something that normally happens, though. Usually we're eating better outside of the conference, right? But yeah. In Previous podcasts to talked about Oracle World. They remember their lunch was gotten a long line behind a couple hundred people and picked up a bag lunch. And then you went and tried to find somewhere to sit and eat it Force networking with other
people or several. Yeah, I know Gartner does that not to pick up Carter but like the other tables. Right. Right. Birds of a feather, I think is what they call it. And, you know, it's kind of cool people to see right in your own like, you know, sometimes awkward small talk for people who don't really want because social part of another's that do and you see faces that, you know, so it's good and bad. But yeah, it definitely wasn't your typical comprises of hers
to people like the quiet people. One of the like exam like yeah, these are good. Potato chips. Aren't they? You should try ones, but I think I think as far as day one goes into the first successful, I'm curious to see what happens next couple days. So I think our plan is to record. Another one or two more of these, just to kind of cover it up. But yeah, I'm I am cautiously optimistic. We'll see where it goes from
here. Yeah. I mean, depending on how it goes, we might just want to do daily updates and then tag him to the end of this podcast. You can kind of see like either the evolution of opinion. Right. Maybe it's a go. Yeah it's a is you know it's going to be like for like three months. Yeah. Who knows maybe the potato chips tomorrow and I'll be good and you know I'm going to give him a sailing reading. All right. Well, I think that's probably it for today. Yeah, man, and we'll wrap it
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