S1E15 Artificial Intelligence real stories Interviewing J R Herbert

how come ?

I didn't like .

She said she was gonna do that . Yeah , she didn't do it she's like I got this .

Sure , okay , I'll do that can't trust a woman crispy currently . What do we have happening today ? Cj .

A whole agenda . You're talking .

Between you and Nick . You guys both get everything outside of my little world .

Right , here's your update for the week . How about sports ? This sounds a little bit better . How about sports ? Sports , I can do .

That's the main thing I need from you today .

Recent Orioles news . We had an awful series against the A's . We lost two of a three-game series . We had a pretty great series against the Yanks . We won three out of four . Kyle , bradish and John Means are back in the rotation . Bradish went today , had a great outing Zero runs allowed .

Zero runs allowed . What does that mean ?

That means there was a zero score when he left the game oh , okay yeah , and uh , grayson rodriguez is on the il for some bullshit , roster manipulation , so bradish and means could come back and they're gonna figure out how to work that out in 15 days . Uh , they say he's hurt on the il means injury list or whatever , and uh , he's .

I was gonna say , when you said million , I'm like yeah , yeah it is ?

is the the goal ? I can tell you from experience , those uh early on schedules often are not met , but we'll all keep uh our fingers crossed for hope right now yeah I'm still . I'm sticking with my five-year plan , so I'm thinking 2029 , spring 2029 , it's actually finished . I don't have anything to say about the bridge .

Then I I listened , re-listened to our bridge podcast and I heard a lot of uh errors in our podcast and I went you know what ? That's what we knew at the point .

Exactly , that was like the two days after it happened .

Like I'm listening to it , I was like ooh ouch man , that was way off .

Hey , we're putting ourselves out there .

Yeah , I mean we get it . I hope you guys get it .

But I'm still . I did say five years then and I'm sticking with my five-year schedule . No , I'm with you on that . That was pretty good .

I think we did the best we could . Yeah , I mean , it's incredible .

What's been going on in your life , dan ? Oh my God . Last time we talked , you were going to take your boat out and your jet skis out that happen , yes I did . How'd it go man ?

I took both jet skis out out and the one jet ski I was confident was working them out well and it was . I got it all back to the thing and I put it back on the on the , got it out and back back all by myself . I mean , there's not many people out in the water right now so I probably today .

The Unified Command , I believe , has hopes to have the dolly refloated by the 10th of this month .

Wow , that's not far away . That's like next Friday , eight days away . Eight days away . That's not how that goes .

I know it's not far away . That's like next Friday , eight days away .

Eight days away .

That's not how that goes .

I know it's a week .

But yeah , that's incredible , I expected . Every time I look over I'm like that thing is still there , Right , you know ?

they're going to repaint it , change the name of the thing so they can't get sued . Oh yeah , they're going to float that thing to West Africa and change the name of it .

Yeah , repaint the whole . Thing .

It'll only take a couple of hours Instead of the Salvador Nelly it's the Pablo Picasso Right .

They'll never notice .

It is insane stuff .

How about the other one you said one of them did very well Jet ski ?

So the jet skis I got , so I got back back and forth with one . It was great , it was amazing . And I go on the second one and I get out there on the water and it just keeps like like dying off and I'm like what the hell it keeps dying off . And then so I figured out something about a little . You know , I had an air leak and the gas .

Especially if you're out there by yourself and not many people around .

Yeah , I came back . I come back and you know I took off the jet . So right now I have one jet ski with the jet off , but I'm going to reinstall it with a new ski .

How about the boat ? Did you get the boat out ?

I have not had the boat out . I'm still working on . It's a very long I I'm . I was dealing with the oil change dilemma . In order to get to the oil plug you have to be up to your shoulders . Uh , an engine , the bottom of the engine has to be at your shoulder .

They call that string towing I know we towed somebody before . I believe it was a chinese lady and a chinese man ah , that was on wave runners .

That was on brendan's wave runners , wasn't it ?

yeah , wait , you were on the wave runners and you we've towed a boat with the wave runners . Yes , because I know it's kind of awesome actually . Yeah we .

We were towing brendan's boat with his wave runner and so I , I , uh , I think I think nick got paid for doing that right oh , we both did yeah , we both got 25 dollars yeah from the chinese

couple .

It's also something you're having fun doing so oh man , that's great , you have a couple bucks too brendan got his boat out there and then his trailer got damaged upon I don't know .

There's a lot of boats are not easy .

No , that's why they call them Brendan and I are on our uh , larger vessel steps , owning a huge boat . You don't just get a really , really big one . You got to go up in steps .

Uh , that's not true . If you're a billionaire , you can go ahead and do it because you can also get to pay people to take care of it for you as working individuals .

we don't just go from owning my first boat . My first vessel was a 16-foot 1960 Cadillac . An old looks like a John boat kind of .

Is it actually made by Cadillac ?

Yes , it was actually a Cadillac boat . Yes , Not to get sidetracked off the boat situation , we have a person we're going to be speaking to today . His name is John . I'm not sure if he wants to use his last name or not .

We'll let him use his last name if we want . But he'll be John for now . I think it'll be good Fiction and artificial intelligence .

Artificial , artificial . Hey there , john , welcome to the podcast . How are you , sir ? Thank you fine . Thank you all right , so we have . We're going to sound off here , so you know who's in studio . We have , of course , my dog , buddy , is in studio . Um , john wasn't here for the boat talk . We were talking about boat stuff earlier . But I'm dan , we have .

uh nick and this is cj , nice to meet you , you too yeah , what did ?

you mean by fiction ? Because there's a lot of fiction out there . There's like fake stuff . There's fiction where it's like made up by other people . What do you think , cj , of what ? What would you say when I said fiction ?

uh , fiction makes me think of stephen king or , you know , fiction novels for the most part , but most movies are also fiction . So , okay , that type of stuff . Yeah , movies are faking media that is not of uh , that doesn't have real background material to come from fiction .

Uh , there are a couple kinds , you know . There's like official literature , there's pop stuff that might make it or not . Uh , yeah , stephen king's huge . Uh , there's humor within a lot of fiction and there's humor in these people approaching , you know , like , uh , are people elite or snobbish or are they full of shit or like , how much is there to be found ?

we could get into that if you would if you want to ask about , if you want to talk about that cj , what do you think about that ?

I mean I've , I've done it , you , whoa , but my wife is an artist . My wife , she is an artist .

I've only done it for her and well , I've done it for strangers quite a lot yeah yeah , nick , how about you nude modeling ?

I can't say that I've I've partaken would you ?

would you ? How much would it cost to get you a front , a full ? Let's just go back nudity . Well , how much does it cost ? For , in fact , keep in mind , I have some money so full butt in view . I want to get nick , but how much does that cost for one photo ? And what , John ? What do you do with these nude models ?

He's the model John's the model . A photo is worth a thousand words , so at least a thousand dollars .

Mine's worth a thousand hairs .

Tell me about that . Photography is another thing . Photography is another thing . I don't do photography .

That makes sense . Okay , so nude model was not what I thought it was going to be . That was just still .

I'm happier when you know it was . It's not photography . Was it for like a college , like for a college class , that you were ?

mainly it's .

I am at art institute , maryland institute , so yeah , how come people who like do public nudity and get arrested for it Don't just go to a college and be like hey you guys .

I know like a couple hundred people that uh art model , but I only know about three official nudists nudist people well , well , well , they say that's a bad word nudist . Well , colony , oh okay , I'm not sure , I don't really care , but but like they said it's a bad , like you have an ant colony . You've got this , you know .

Do you get paid to do the nude modeling when you work at micah ?

oh , indeed , and it's like a job . You know , it's a job , that's incredible how long is the set ?

or is the session normally like an hour , three hours , I don't know somewhere ?

like six hours , 20 minutes , 10 minutes off .

Okay , give you some time to flex your muscles and bend your knees and all yeah , do you like you have pumped yourself up , or are they like we're gonna sketch this nasty looking man ? Is that you know ? Like how ? How do you ?

how I'm kind of I'm not as bony as some guys , I'm not as fat as some others , so I'm kind of I've got like a lot of wiggle room .

That's yeah , I mean I would go now . Everybody is where do you want the right ?

they would love me up there , man , there's more more to draw .

now , none of this is official like they're all you . All types are equal and all Everybody's the same . But you get different kind of feedback and it's different for males than it is for females .

Of course .

I'd rather be a middle-aged male than a middle-aged female in this racket any day .

So , nick was your question earlier how much does it cost to have a nude model ?

What was your question ? That wasn't my question at all , so , like my , my it was more or less a statement .

But but yeah , you're right , that might be an outlet for somebody who has flashing tendencies . You could go and get paid for it , it does make sense .

I think the flasher is actually trying to get their rocks off , whereas the nude model is really just trying to make a paycheck .

Yeah , this is respectable , and you know maybe show their balls off too .

So , cjj , if we wanted a female ? Yeah , yeah , there are different types . There are different types , like there are some people that I think kind of get off when other people don't . Yeah , so how ?

much do you get paid an hour to do that ? What's it's ? That's like 30 now , 30 an hour , or a session that's a pretty good an hour .

That's not bad .

That's not bad at all I mean , I guess it's not that regular of a job , like how many days a year could you really do that and get ?

paid how many ?

people ? You know , I guess yeah , but at micah there's only so many classes .

You know , there's a lot of colleges though there are a lot of colleges , some people bounce around between them . I'm staying with micah uh and I'm enjoying the hell out of their own the tech capacities and the gym and other things there .

Oh , you get to use their facilities , since you're a staff .

They want you to shower first , I guess I mean he's naked inside of them .

Yeah , no , this is incredible stuff , so like I don't know , Like all the processes are tied together .

So fiction , videography , Like I roll from the classroom to the gym , to the computer lab , it's all kind of all my life is all tied together right now that's really cool , yeah , what kind of when you say you're painting or or do you ever like I ?

I've seen a few things so few things of your work on the internet a video that you shot there with some art artistry uh , tree in the water , that kind of thing . Did you want to talk about anything ? Did you want to promote anything that you've done ? That , uh , that people could look up ? Who is john ? Let me see his work .

yeah , john russell , herbert . Uh can be found under that full name on uh youtube or facebook . Yeah , these days , uh , anything I write and anything video and even anything painting , it all has to fit into schedule and whatever I'm psyched about .

A lat latissimus . What is it ? What is it called Lats ? It's a what ? It's a lat pull machine . A lat latissimus . What is it ? What is it called Lats ? It's a muscle .

It's a muscle .

Isn't there a longer name for it , I'm sure there , is , okay , we get it .

Well , the latissimus dorsi .

There you go .

I knew it it was inside my brain , but the videos I the most are a shoulder thrust on another machine , and uh , and , and uh . So I used to paint mythology , all these kinds of things .

But these days I'm just feeling anatomy .

Isn't it crazy how you just zoom into one thing yeah , and then I uh , then like painterly exploration and the science comes from that , but it but , but just using the video still instead of hiring another model .

Using a video still , where you videotape it and then you paint the shot of a video , because that way you can choose the exact one and it's free .

The exact one . It's free , I don't have to worry about their feelings and all of this stuff Very nice . I don't have to paint somebody . I don't want to worry about their feelings , all this stuff Very nice . I don't have to paint somebody I don't want to look at . I don't have to paint somebody I do want to look at and say it's professional .

I'm going to just throw one in . From left field , you ever get hit on while you're doing this stuff , this nude modeling and stuff . It's happened , okay . Does it show Different age groups ?

this , this , this nude modeling and stuff or like it's happened , okay , yeah , does it different age groups , different age groups .

What was that nick ?

I said does it show that you're uh , you're interested ?

it has usually . Usually there's no , no heat about that . There may even be positive feelings about that , but yeah , I was gonna say that's a great question , Nick .

Did it move yeah do you ever say I'm sorry about that ?

Never apologize .

Can you move that person across the room ? So I can't see that person .

It has a mind of its own . Sorry , it's like a dog's tail .

Yeah , tail , I was going to say that was worth you coming over for Nick .

I'm so glad we almost lost nick . He was , uh , he's worked a lot hours and uh , I had to wake him up a lot like 6 , 30 or so he was . I thought I was gonna come over and punch me . Yeah , no , it's nice , nice to hear , uh , some stuff from an artist , a fellow artist , john you are part of .

We are extended family , I think , right we're we're step family , if you will yeah , I said brother-in-law , but yeah , it's because I guess it's step brother or something along those lines .

Extended family and , um , I mean it's uh , I'm not gonna be , I'm not gonna be seeing john in any family parties or anything . From here on out , we did , uh , I think a lot of our stuff in our lives have separated , but , um , I , I really saw john at the last event and I said I wanted to , you know , have separated .

You started the conversation with keyboard , which is kind of my fourth medium , but I do feel it I've dabbled a bit lately again .

I remembered a long , long time ago you went to my father's house and you were recording some keyboard stuff . That's what John's referring to . I was asking him about . You know , have you been writing music ? Because I have in my hands right here a bass guitar , so I've been like learning bass guitar . I got a wah pedal and a lot of the what you hear .

And there's a violinist I want to bring in as soundtrack on one of my videos .

There we go , see , everybody's all linked up in some way , are you ?

meeting them at Micah too . Do they do music at Micah ? I'm not sure . I know there's other music .

Well , there are some informal bands and a lot of music appreciation . There are tons of music appreciation and I think on and off they've exchanged with the Peabody Peabody . But I met this guy at a party of a former model . He's a fiction guy , he's a poetry guy and he's a violinist guitarist .

So you want to bring him in on something that you're writing .

Something like a three-minute video like jazzy violin . You're going to have to write it out for him .

Yeah , but this is how art's created . You start out with ideas .

Jam for a little while .

John's got in his head something that he wants to create and this is how it's coming out . So a lot of people don't understand that when you're like , oh yeah , it's this and that and this and that , that's just the beginning part of it . There's a bunch of other visuals in his head . So it's incredible stuff .

It's kind of their job , yeah fiddle was so great , so you said you do . Uh , you're writing as well yeah , a lot of fiction .

I'm trying not to write about being a painter art model in baltimore right , because I because I've done about a thousand pages of that . But but so I kind of I zone in at the gym , but I'm at the art institute , but I like , I pretend , like like I'm an old , like thick jewish cop that's supposed to do crunches .

What . But instead of doing his crunches .

He wants to do the shoulder thrust , to slam down doors . All right Now . I'm not technically Jewish and I'm not exactly portly and I'm not a cop , but like it's just jolting myself into fiction . I don't have an ex-wife with alimony . I don't have an ulcer with alimony . I don't have an ulcer . That's a plus .

So it's a good story . Throw all those problems onto your poor character .

John , we spoke about artificial intelligence . Did you read that artificial intelligence created all the generated thing that was on the last podcast ? Did you read all of that stuff that the computer created ?

Well , I'm not sure . I found a blurb , but I wasn't sure if it was . Yeah , the blurb that was , it didn't jump out .

Whatever blurb you saw was probably AI generated because Dan can't write that . Well , I can't write at all . I can't write for shit .

So everything I write is just going to be like duh . This is exactly what we did boom and that's it . Everything else , that's all like the . I think it started off with our , our ten dollar . It was the one with our ten dollar gift on it that's right , it said it said when life throws you a key chain , ball sack . Uh , that's how it started .

So you had the AI listen to the entire podcast .

Yes , and it created that three-paragraph summary .

That's kind of awesome man , it was incredible . The singularity is coming , though you just watch out . I know they're going to come they're going to be . We're not going to be able to eat without having the computer make their food for us . I , for one , can't wait for our robot overlords .

It's going to be pretty cool , but we're going to be screwed A little Skynet , yep .

Yeah , I'm kind of not keen . I think it's going to destroy people's souls . I don't think robots are going to kill people .

I think that people are soulless in general . My personal thought . You know , it is nice to think that there is an outside force , but yeah , it's not going to kill us .

It's going to be like have you ever seen the movie WALL-E ?

Oh yeah , that's what's going to happen .

There's going to be a bunch of fat , useless human beings , and the robots are going to be doing all the work and we don't do anything but consume consume .

We create . Create nothing anymore . Which is what's the point . We're not going to be able to fake some people better than others . Like if somebody lives out of uh magazine ads it , like if some wife , somebody's wife , talks about j-lo all the time , the ai will be able to uh dictate her soul and her husband won't even notice .

what really scares me is the ai generated voice , uh , automatic telephone call type systems that are , you know , like the stuff that's going to affect us . Quicker than all of a sudden , they can reproduce themselves and take over the world .

You can't press zero to get a real person anymore . No , no , it's going to affect us quicker than all of a sudden . They can reproduce themselves and take over the world . You can't press zero to get a real person anymore .

No , no , it's not even that it's that somebody's going to be calling you and it's going to sound exactly like nick and cj , or it'll sound like john , and we're not actually talking to john . We're we've been talking right now to a computer . You don't even know it john's a computer .

John is a computer . I don't believe that .

No , that what do you think you shouldn't believe it ?

that's what a robot would say that's what a robot would say that's .

That's the shit that really gets me kind of creeped out . You don't know if you're even dealing with a human right . That's what . That's what really bothers me about ai .

I don't know if , nick , you have any thoughts on that yeah , becoming increasingly more difficult to decipher what is real and what's fake yeah well , I asked some ai about the quandary of ai and and it gave me this long elaborate diplomatic political answer .

don't worry about anything , guys , everything's going to be fine .

It sounded like a human . It sounded like a human being on the tape being political .

But a human being . It's so cool . It's cool , but it's scary . That's all . It's very hard to decipher .

But at some point we're going to get to either Blade Runner or Star Trek . Whichever one we're going to get to , uh , either either blade runner or or star trek , whichever one , but there's going to be androids , human looking robots that have an ai brain . That's most likely .

I've been watching on tv , or , I'm sorry , on netflix , because I don't really have tv , except for whatever's digitally popping up . Whenever I turn the tv on , which I hate , it's always the negative stuff . I'm just like oh my god , there are people screaming at each other , shopping centers and stuff . I've been watching the show .

I like it . It's fun . I haven't watched the most recent season , but I liked it .

It's goofy and it's got some good .

What's the guy's name ? Alan Tudyk . I'd have to look it up . It's something , tudyk , but he's a hilarious actor . That's what reminds me of the ai . He was also steve the pirate and alan alan t-u-d-y-k tudyk yeah , uh , yeah , there is no alien here .

Show yourself out . I don't know . I just love that kind of stuff . That it's uh , reminds me of the guy . That's all I got . So , john , I just yeah , it's nice to hear from you . Uh , we do generally keep . You keep the guests about 15 minutes or so um before we . Well , I'm sure we'll . We'll be chatting again in the near future .

well , uh , I live on the county city line okay and there's a lot of uh , social dynamism on that line . I commute one way or the other across it all the time . A lot of outdoors , not interesting people , some crime , and I'm feeling it all .

You're feeling the crime .

Well , I don't like it , but I'm also noticing and feeling good folks trying to hold together . Okay .

Who are you feeling in the Senate race ? What about Trone , that guy Trone ? There's Trone versus all Brooks , or also Brooks , something like that who are going against each other for the Democratic nomination .

Are we talking about Maryland Senate ?

Maryland Federal Senate yeah .

Okay .

And on the Republican side it's Hogan versus this Robin Ficker guy . He's a Trumper .

I feel sorry for Hogan , by the way . Without getting officially political , he's in a spot Like no national chance at all in the Trump era .

I think he has a pretty good shot at the Senate . Of course not , I don't think he's going to win presidency or anything like that .

He's made for this state . He's made for crossovers and moderates in this state .

This is an overall Democratic state and he won gubernatorial twice . I could see him taking Senate , but I think Trone has the best chance to beat him on the Democratic side . I see Trone working his angles yeah , he's all over the tv and there's little posters up on the medians of roadways different demographic angles .

You know playing up one part of the platform for one demographic versus another .

Yeah , it's um he's , he's , he's politicking . Real good out there electioneering I should .

I almost want to know what he thinks about Donald Trump .

John Herbert . What do you think about Donald Trump ? John Russell Herbert .

John Russell Herbert . What do you think about Donald Trump ?

Well , personally , I don't like him In 30 seconds or less .

30 seconds or less .

Well , the Dems gave it to him years ago by dropping the working class you could say the white working class , just the working class . They became an elitist party , at least in the minds of a lot of people , and that's how he got his foot in the door . That's why McCain or Romney didn't do it .

If you don't believe in every facet of it , you're shunned to the other side or something along those lines nick has a lot of stuff , right , nick ?

he's just staying out of it for nick .

That was a no , that was not 10 foot pole extended yeah , I don't have anything that needs to be shared .

Okay , so I'm getting .

I'm getting the wrap it up button from . Uh , wrapping it up here . So you said Donald Trump for president , right ? He did not say that .

I did not . I said I understand the phenomenon . I didn't say I'm

Comedy show . Comedy show Good stuff .

I understand the fight , but it's comedy .

It's funny . Yes , john , that is funny . It's hilarious , I feel All right . Well , that is funny , it's hilarious , I feel All right . Well , john , we will be speaking to you in the future . Yes , I will see you . Let's not lose touch in the world of this crazy world , and I'll talk to you when robots will answer the phone for us , okay .

Nice talking with you . Thanks for calling in Nice talking to you .

Yes , thanks . Okay , see you , man . Good evening , everybody Take .

John seems like a pretty good guy , to tell you the truth .

The last episode of season one , we had a man that was a train hopping , homeless person and whatnot , and he was good . Sean , yeah , finds some level playing ground with him . Sean said that what was the statistic , nick ? How many percent are good ?

96 .

96% of people are good . Uh-uh-uh , nick , you got 3,800 people to talk to .

What would you like to say about this week ?

Don't work as much as I did .

Don't work that hard yeah , don't work overnight into the afternoon . He's like what time did you start work ? I clocked in yesterday at 11.37 pm .

Nice . And then clock out until three , something I was going to say .

Two , and you're dragging him over here to do this bullshit .

Man . Come on , Dan , I know I have a key to his house so I could easily just go in and wake him up .

You said you were going to dump water on him , or something along those lines I did say that water .

He said OK .

I don't know if that's what I responded with .

That's how I felt .

More of a we'll see and .

I said I will . Now it's my goal to get him to wake up , no matter what , so I always follow through with my promises .

Yeah , I pulled up to the house at three , 34 . I said I just pulled up to the house and I almost fell asleep after putting my car in park .

It's like let me just close my eyes for a second here . Yeah , I literally did that .

I had my AC on , I just put it in park Cause like you don't want to get out of the car if it's not you know , and it's like you're like , you feel your eyes like waver and then you're somehow still in the lines and you're like , holy fuck , how long have I been driving like that ?

It was like 3 30 am after like a big long , you know four hour show or something . And you're driving home and all of a sudden you kind of wake up and you're looking at , you're driving , you're in motion and you wake back up .

That's scary stuff that's when you're like I gotta pull over right now .

This is a long time ago , but there's just some scary times it keep you up , yeah , yeah , it's your hands .

Keep you chomping on something yeah .

Definitely didn't have sunflower seeds . I do remember seeing like that's a wall turning left .

When I was a smoker , I would stay up by smoking cigarettes . That's not the safest thing , because you often just fall asleep with a lit cigarette in your hand , nice .

Now you're in an accident and you're on .