Hey guys, Jim Minnery here on I'm Glad You Said That. It is Wednesday, April 9th. 2025 gorgeous day here in South Central. Snow's melting. Not a lot of it to melt. So we could be back to the green. Well, maybe not green. Kind of a brownish tan lawns. Anyway, we're Ministry of Alaska Family Council. Go to akfamily.org and sign up for our alerts. We're listener supported as well. Thanks to our friends, John and Sandy Powers. We're very grateful for them helping us to be on air and on podcast.
I get to speak with David Boyle today on the show. He's a longtime expert on education. And we're going to talk about HB 69, the behemoth down in Juneau that likely will get a veto from our governor. Whether or not we have the votes to not override it, to prevent it and override depends on some key Republicans. We'll talk about that and also some of the things we think or that David thinks.
Usually I agree with him on most things. I don't know if I've ever disagreed with David on education issues, but it's a big topic, obviously, one that we've been involved with for a very long time in terms of school choice. But there's a lot of different ways to... you know, take a chunk of this elephant and try to figure it all out, take a bite out of it and assess it. But thanks so much for being here, folks. Just one thing that I wanted to bring up, which was...
Late in the evening, it doesn't hardly ever happen to me, but I woke up like 3 a.m. Last night after a piece, I dropped my parents-in-laws off to the airport. They were down there. Or they're going down to California to watch my niece in a NCAA Division II track tournament. Super cool. But as I was coming back, I was listening to this guy on 700.
KBYR I don't even know who it was but he was telling me about these Christians, these Iranians who had become Christians in Iran and took this circuitous around the world. long journey, 10 of them, including a couple kids, to America. um went through i think korea and then ultimately mexico and then got uh on the border and wasn't able to get through the border patrol. They apparently were, and I'm doing the research now, but it sounds like it's legit that they were handcuffed.
and brought to Panama. And basically this guy's point was very poignantly describing what would happen to them if they get back to... I ran and it's not a pretty picture involving, you know, the death penalty. And he went into great detail on that. And his point was, That, yeah, you could tell, whoever this guy was, that he was very much in support of removing illegal aliens and the problem that has.
on America. But he was also saying that we could cross the line in terms of losing public support for not only... the illegal immigration policies that should rightfully be employed and something like this where they're apparently... And again, I don't know all the details. And this has nothing to do with Alaska Family Council or my conversation with David. I just want you to chew on it, you know, that there are people caught in the crossfire.
And these people certainly are what it would be a definition of seeking asylum, you know, for their faith, which Iran would. would put them to death if they were to go back to Iran. And so that's not an illegal alien. Even the illegals who are coming across the border... most of whom are not criminals, although there are. And that's the part that is challenging for those people working that job is that there are people who have come across and have ill intention.
And so they have to be aware of that in capturing everyone because we have a border. The very first thing that they do when they come to the United States illegally is they break the law. That has to be addressed. It is being addressed. But I just wanted you guys to think about that and pray about that, that for these people in particular, the Iranians that are in Panama right now, look it up. on Google. Free Press is a new publication. I don't think it's new, but it's been around
Um, it's, it's one that I've come in contact lately with, and it seems to be very, um, well-written. I don't even know if the, I think her name's Barry Weiss, maybe Jewish lady might be anyway. She's certainly no conservative, but I read about it in free press. after I heard it on the radio, and it seems to be legitimate. There's obviously, you know, more to the picture, maybe.
the story, but anyway, it's something to chew on and that we are as Christians, as believers, as conservatives, as Republicans. Need to speak up. And I can't imagine that those people will be required to go back to Iran. But there's some kind of legal loophole that is when they are sent back to Panama. So pray about it. Hopefully we'll have a good story, a good outcome of that.
We're going to be chatting with David Boyle. As I mentioned, another thing that I wanted to mention is that we are going to be hopefully having some interns. Maybe one, maybe a few that will come on board and help us do all sorts of things for Alaska Family Council. We have new projects that are... you know, being implemented and initiated all the time, lots of research. If you happen to have a high school, college age kid, because we can give, and we have in the past, credit.
It varies in terms of the amount of time. that someone you might know or their kid, maybe they're in poli-sci, maybe they just want to be involved in the ministry. Get a hold of us. Go to akfamily.org, and we'd love to be able to have an intern or two. It doesn't have to be based here in Anchorage, which is where our headquarters is. I mean, it could be remote. But in any event, yeah, know about that as being something that is of interest to us. Getting an intern, go to akfamily.org.
I'm also wanting to just throw out this whole thing of the Anchorage School District and their... ability to continually defy not only the federal executive orders, but also on DEI and protecting girls in sports from having to compete against. boys, which is very clearly defined. I think Maine is actually being, you know. As far as I know, there's been a final warning issued by the federal government to say you literally will lose federal funds.
And so I don't know if Anchorage School District wants to push it that far. We'll see. The commissioner of the Department of Education, or at least of Early Education, I think it's called. and development. Dina Bishop, I think she's an ally. I know she's an ally on many levels. So we'll see what she has to say about Anchorage School District and others who are defying.
the federal mandate on implementing and indoctrinating kids on DEI and CRT and that kind of thing. So it's going to start playing out across the country, but at least in terms of the sports things. You know, the Girl Sports issue, Alaska Family Council was very involved in working with the board, Alaska Board of Education and the Alaska School Activities Association in implementing policies.
It's not a statute like 22, 23 other states have in place, but it is a policy that has been passed by the Alaska Board of Education that boys cannot compete against girls in sports, but that is not what the Anchorage School District has. Joel Davidson, good friend and ally, wrote a piece on that and shows you exactly the policy that they have written down. And it's not good. It's opposed to what's going on federally and what's happened in the state.
Be aware of those kinds of things, and we'll stay in touch on it. We'll be right back with David Boyle here, and I'm glad you said that. Stick around. Hey, guys. Welcome back to I'm Glad You Said That. Super grateful to have David Boyle on the show today. Probably one of the smartest guys in the state in terms of what's going on with education.
We have a lot to discuss, I mean, in very little time. But at the same time, we want to be able to introduce you to the folks. And so, David, how long have you been in Alaska? What have you been doing your whole life? What brought you to the place where you are right now? Well, the military brought... I was active duty and my wife was active duty.
However, I was unable to get there while I was in the service, and I retired in 88 from the Air Force, and then my wife got an assignment to Elmendorf Air Force Base as the chief nurse of the third med group there. And I'm born and raised in Iowa. I'm a little over 80 years old. Sometimes it seems like I'm a centurion, but I'm not.
You know, I worked with the Alaska Policy Forum, volunteered full-time. I was one of the four founders of the Policy Forum in Alaska, and I worked, volunteered full-time for nine years, five of those years being the executive director. And learned a lot. Learned about how the legislature works and doesn't work. Learned about how politics impacts good public policy as such. in way good public policy doesn't happen many times.
My focus, since I ran for the Anchor School Board in 2007 and 2008 and was soundly defeated, I thought good ideas would win. that showed my naivety when it came to let's say politics and running as a candidate particularly against the uh Excuse me, education industry in Anchorage. After that, I also managed the campaign, state campaign manager for the McCain-Palin campaign in Alaska in 2008. And in 2009, who founded the Alaska Policy Forum, I focused most of my time on K-12 education.
And that's because I believe that the future, it sounds trite, but it's true, the future are our children, is our children. And we see that today in the streets of big cities. We see that today in the Congress. We see Antifa, you know, lots of the other, let's call it socialists. Marxist groups being active, and those are because they're a result of the lack of critical thinking skills in our K-12 system and our university system as well.
But most of our children don't go to college, so they're indoctrinated in the public school system across the country. And that's why I do focus on K-12, because it is the most important thing going in our country's future. I couldn't agree more. As you know, we've been strong advocates. School choice, which simply means you can choose if you want to bring your kid to a local neighborhood school, or you can... you should have the ability to move those dollars, kind of like the backpack bill.
that have been popular in other places, Arizona, I think in Ohio primarily, but, you know, I was just hearing the other day someone talking about waxing eloquently about how our homeschool environment, you know, with the Alaska Private Homeschoolers Association meeting this upcoming Friday and Saturday, I think, at Moulding Community Assembly. I'm just giving a plug for them. I think it's two full days.
with all sorts of vendors and there are opportunities that are opening up more so I think than in other states in terms of homeschool opportunities the charter school situation we've heard from you and others that it is one of the best in the country in terms of you know academically and
Yet at the same time, we have the same problem with our public schools. Not the same problem, we actually have a worse problem in terms of how much money we put in and the quality of education that we get out. And so we've always... as an organization wanted to do what we could to improve the public schools, not just pull kids out, which is a sort of, I understand, a reaction that's very understandable.
But, you know, it's hard to know where to start in terms of how we move the needle. You know, you'd like to think that that could happen on the school board level, but we continually, at least in Anchorage, faced this challenge of getting anyone elected besides Dave Donnelly, who's the only one on the school board that has an opposing view. in terms of the progressive woke agenda and the mindset of just giving more money.
to fix the problems i guess the first thing i'd like to start with though david is um what's going on in juno you know as we text it back and forth it's it's pretty comical if it wasn't so sad and And there weren't real lives at stake. But it seems like the left continues to double down in our state every single year that the problem is funding.
Can you just give folks who are listening and maybe thinking about this for the first time, at least in a... in a focused way, why you believe that that's not the problem that you'll hear from the Democrat side of the aisle, which is we just need more.
Sure, Jim. Thank you very much. And by the way, thank you and the Alaska Family Council for everything you've done and are doing in the state of Alaska. It's very refreshing to see people come to your events and to listen to the wonderful speakers you have. Well, the main bill right now that is causing quite a debate and discussion in the state legislature is House Bill 69.
listeners to go to the Alaska Ledge, akledge.org page and put in the search engine, put in HB69. All the documents will come up there. A lot of debate in the house. Probably 95 plus amendments on the floor. Almost all of them defeated. Those amendments were by the Republican or conservative minority. Of course, the majority is the liberals and, let's say, oh, pretty much the pro-education industry folks. That bill came out of...
It didn't have a fiscal note. There were no funding for this bill, even though it's going to cost increased cost of K-12 education, $275 million. in the base student allocation which will go forward every year it will be at least 275 million And as your listeners probably know, that right now the state budget that the governor proposed is $1.5 billion in the red. So you can add another quarter of a million plus to that. It's in the Senate, past the House.
and by mostly party line votes it's in the senate today and some of the things that are in there are very disturbing very very disturbing um first of all there's like two lines that says we want to increase the bsa And that is the objective of the entire bill, but it's only two lines out of three or four pages. One of the things is they have a thing called open enrollment. These really sound good when you read them, but you have to read between the lines and look at the details even more so.
Open enrollment allows a parent to enroll their child in any K-12 public school, neighborhood charter, or correspondence. In other words, if you're in the Anchorage School District, you are limited to the Anchorage School District. You can't send your kids to the Masu or the Kenai or any other school district. The question there is. can i send my child to the statewide correspondence programs like raven or idea because those are school days
And my question and my testimony to the legislature was, why are you drawing imaginary lines around a child's future? It makes no sense. So they've attacked the correspondence schools. Another one that they're attacking are public charter schools. you know public charter schools are belong to the particular district they're in like in anchorage so they want to increase the administrative cost that the district can charge their charter school
Currently, it's 4% is the overhead administrative cost. They want to double that to 8%. So you can see what's happening. They're trying to marginalize and minimize the correspondent schools and the charter schools. in almost every school district we have are the best schools in those particular districts because the parents are engaged. And that education fits those particular students, and the parents know it, and that's why they try to get in through the learning. Sure. Go ahead.
well you know and they're all talking about Well, you know, we need inflation proof. We have to contend with inflation, and granted, there have been serious inflation. cost since, guess what, the Joe Biden administration was put into place and COVID as well. Things like supplies, construction definitely have been inflated. But the legislative finance division, which provides the historical data and the analysis for cost and expenses for any particular bill, they said since 2006.
The K-12 education budget has increased, you ready for this, by 34%. Meanwhile, inflation during that whole time since 2006 has been only 28%. Now, the reason for that is because they have added factors, like the vocational education factor. The intensive needs factor has gone from five times the base student allocation, five times, all the way up to 13 times. based student allocation. And what that means, it's up to now $78,000 per intensive needs student.
So what you will find is, yeah. So that's why those costs have increased since 2006, 34%. You know, because he added these other factors into this formula that they used to pay for public education. Hey, let's take a quick break, David. We have to do our first break, folks. We're talking with David Boyle about education. Stick around here, and I'm glad you said that. We'll be right back.
Welcome back. Jim Minery here chatting with David Boyle about education. I want to make sure that we leave the folks with some positive things. There's obviously a lot of negative. We just talked about the enormous amount of money that's being spent in the spin. that so many seem to put on this that The public is naive and willing, all too willing to buy into the lie that there's been no increase in funding.
The reality, as you know, David, I went to East High School. We had, I think, no assistant principals. I don't know how many they have now. And I'm guessing that in HB 69, we've been talking about, there's no mention of the fact that we're administratively overburdened. as public schools. What's your take on that? Why is it that The administrative burden has increased so rapidly in the last decade.
In terms of why, I mean, it's a machine and obviously there's power in the NEA and they want, you know, lots of high paid employees, which is funny because. Most administrators, at least the higher end ones, are making a lot more than the teachers who are working their tail ends off and really... struggling and trying and teaching, but why do you think the administrative state is so overblown in the public schools?
Well, one of the reasons, Jim, is the fact that we have more school administrators because they've taken on more functions. For example, in the Anchorage School District, and I believe in most of the five largest school districts in the state, they've taken over the health care fund. And the district wants a nurse in every school. Now, I don't know about you. I remember a nurse in middle school that I don't even know if that individual was there full-time or not. Probably not.
So, and by the way, the teachers union membership does not include just teachers. It includes nurses. librarians, psychologists. And maybe one other person group. But so when you're talking about teachers union, it's more than that. And so that's why they want to increase the number of nurses in the entire school district.
I don't know about you, but I don't think that's the function of a school district. And that's the problem with a lot of schools and districts. They've lost focus on their primary mission. you know it's like a business all of a sudden you start expanding and you lose you lose lack or track of what your mission is are you what are you there to sell and they're selling education instruction what are you there to sell are you going to sell nursing care
And so they've got a lot of psychologists, a lot of social workers. They'll do anything they can to increase. the number of bureaucrats they have i'm not including i'm not talking about classroom teachers we have some great classroom teachers and some very good, effective classroom teachers. We need to keep them. We need to multiply them. So if you look at – I work for the largest bureaucracy in the world, the Department of Defense. And the reason to exist is to grow a bureaucracy.
And you're seeing that today with Elon Musk and his doge work. And I can see just what he's doing. I can relate it to the Department of Defense and the Air Force I worked in. I've never seen anybody try to reduce the numbers of people they have working for them. Because once you do that, you lose your salary because your grade goes down, you know, that you're rated that. Now, schools are the same way.
So, and the big thing going on right now is, as you're well aware and your listeners are probably aware, is that the schools are losing students. Every student that walks through the halls into a classroom has a dollar sign on there. some larger, depending if they're special ed, intensive needs, and some smaller, like, let's say, a regular student. So when you start losing those students, you start losing dollars, some bigger, some smaller.
So it's just unbelievable to me that the Anchorage School District, for example, wants to maintain the same bureaucracy it has, even though it's lost. 6,000 students over the last, I believe, five years. You know, they've lost students last year. They lost students the previous year. And they'll continue to lose students. as long as they keep their DEI policies in place, their transgender policies in place. They just don't get it. They can't attract parents and students to their school.
They need to turn it around. They need to ask the parents what they want. They need to figure out what they're doing wrong. Let's say it's as a business. How can we get our customers back into the, let's say, showroom or the classroom? And the other thing about administrators,
It's not just the number of administrators. It's the salaries and benefits that go with those administrators. Most of the administrators, well, let's say the higher-level administrators in the Anchorage School District, their salary is $175 million. So, you know, and we have some really good ones there. And a lot of them, some of them are overworked, actually, because their staff has been cut. But, you know, and the other thing is, in a bureaucracy like the Anchorage School,
Teachers want to get out of the classroom. They want to get out of the classroom, and I understand that today because there's a lot of unruly children in classes, and they want to get into management. Then they have less problems with it. misbehaved students. They don't handle that day-to-day drudge work of grading papers. They can sit behind a desk with a computer and manage the system, let's say, for lack of a better term. The other thing is their pay is much.
Well, who wouldn't want that, except that the description that you had, that you'd given, was all about why it is that people supposedly want to be a teacher. And yes, are the challenges... more today than when I was in high school or when you were in high school. Sure, there's more single parents. You know, there's more kids that are influenced by a lot of things on social media that aren't so good that maybe cause them to act up.
I don't know. I mean, it's as old as time in terms of sin and disruption. It seems part of me is that the teachers, at least from some of the stuff I've seen online and heard about, Shoot, it happened at Clark last year, I think, with the kids. that got the snot beat out of her by multiple kids, and teachers or administrators were just watching.
Their hands are tied. I remember Mr. Kufel at Wendler Junior High School in 1977 and 78, and he was this you know kind of lech of a not ledge but like a he's just this huge guy that towered as principal in the halls and you did not want to come across the Mr. Kufel with his ruler that he held up his long sleeve shirt. And by that, I'm sorry. I don't you know, that's just the way it is. Discipline, spare the rod, spoil the child. And that's controversial, I guess. But it seems to me.
that unless you're very, very skilled at managing a class in all these diverse kids that have the knowledge that they control the class, you don't. I mean, they're definitely at a disadvantage. You'd like to think that in some schools right here in Anchorage that you have teachers that are, you know.
built for this position as a teacher and they can handle it and address it and that if you mess up, then you go to the principal's office like before. Is that too traditional or am I seeing things on television? and social media that are the outlying examples. Would you say that there's a lot more disruptive classrooms? I mean, it seems like an obvious question. Do we have schools and teachers and principals that are saying, no, it's okay to want to have control of the class?
Well, Jim, I have a very good friend that's a teacher in the Anchorage School. And she taught or teaches at the elementary school level. And the first school she taught in was on the northeast side of town. I won't name it. She told me, she says, I can't believe it. These kids are feral. We're talking about second and third grade. I mean, they're animal-like. Totally misbehaved. And one of the...
You know, spare the rod and spoil the child is right. But one of the problems with classroom management, I don't think, but I'm not sure about this, that classroom management is being taught effectively at the university level in the education college. Even if it were... Let's say you're a teacher in a classroom and you've got one disruptive student that takes away the opportunity of the other 25 kids in the class to learn. That's a civil rights issue.
And the problem is you can, in the old days, yeah, if you had to disrupt their students for whatever reason, they sent them to the principal's office and you saw them later in the day maybe. But what happens today from what I understand is the principal doesn't back the teacher up. the principal sends that kid right back to class. Is that a policy on the school board level? No, I don't think it's a policy, but you can read all the words you want.
descriptions and principles and you know whether they follow them or not or something else because nobody backs them up the administration probably doesn't back the Now, if they started backing each other up, and then one other factor in that equation is… Hold on one second, Dave. We're going to take our last break here before we come back with David Boyle here. And I'm glad you said that, folks. Stick around. We'll be right back.
I'm Jim Minnery here, and I'm glad you said that, chatting with David Bohr. We could talk all day, David, about it. education. There's, um, We talked about the discipline issue. And certainly, you know, we're working with a program called LifeWise Academy right now, which is bringing Bible studies during the school day to public school kids. And it's legal. There's a U.S. Supreme Court president, actually, too.
And so we're working with schools and administration, and there's a lot of really, really good people. And I want to clarify that in no uncertain terms. And I think a lot of it is. the legislators that um and and not to say that there aren't leftists and crazy people who want to indoctrinate our kids although you know I have a question for you about this. We're supposedly eliminating the Department of Education.
But at the same time, there's been executive orders by the Trump administration regarding protecting. girls from having to compete against boys. And the latest I've seen in the policies written by the Anchorage School District is they are in direct violation of that. And in terms of DEI and funding, a lot of universities have cut programs. How does that apply to schools? Is there some kind of relief now that the Trump administration executive orders are in place, Department of Education?
is supposedly coming down. I'd be curious on your thought on whether that actually will happen. And how does that impact schools like the Anchorage School District who basically just say, you know what, forget it. I read somewhere that Trump... officials told Maine about I think it was the same issue officials that you know what you're gonna lose your federal funding and at some point when does that actually hit the fan
Well, President Trump just put out an executive order, oh, I don't know, a week ago, two weeks, I can't remember the date, but on DEI in school. And he gave all the schools and districts in the nation, not just the universities, but the K-12 schools, he gave them 10 days. about what they were going to do if they had DEI in their schools. I don't know if Dena Bishop has got the input or not or responded to that requirement.
uh to the to the president trump's office but uh i think what's going to happen is most of most of the k-12 schools they're just districts they're just going to Just like they ignored the Supreme Court's Janus decision on the rights of people not to join a government union and still keep their jobs. The other thing I think...
They're going to rename that function DEI. Yes, we've seen that. Yeah, they're going to camouflage it and call it something else. And then they're going to respond, we don't have anything like that. which is basically a lie. And we need to expose them if that's what occurs. I'm waiting for... Dr. Bishop of the Department of Education will ask her to respond to that and see what her response is. That would be very, very interesting because she very well knows what's happening.
the Anchorage School District having been a part of it for a while. So, you know, the other thing is in terms of it was an article by Joel Davidson in Alaska, Washington. I'm sure Suzanne has reported on it as well, but just very clearly showed the policy. that the school district has in place now that allows kids however you identify to compete in that environment. exact policy in opposition to not only the executive order, but...
You know, we worked hard behind the scenes and then it became public that the Board of Education became involved, as did the Alaska School Activities Association. to implement policies. Ultimately, you know, Asa eventually, you know, passed the baton, kicked or punted. back to the Board of Education. And first we had a unanimous vote, and then I think we lost one or two, but we still had the vote.
on the school board to say, this is it. It's not a statute like 23, 24 states have in place right now, but it is a regulation implemented. Or, yeah, implemented by Education and now under the authority of ASAW. But so how can they, the Anchorage School District, defy not only the executive order, but ASAW? You know, I don't even know how that works. I mean. Well, first of all, you know, the State Board of Education is the group that actually pushed that. And they had to force the...
Sports Association, ASAP. They had to force their hand on it and make them toe the line, and they did. And, you know, I don't understand ASA as well. Everything turns to woke. But, Jim, I'm going to have to research the Anchorage School District to see what their policy is. Or you can send me a link to it because I haven't, I'll be honest with you. To me, men participating in women's sports or transgenders participating in women's sports is kind of a side issue.
compared to what else is going on in the K-12 system. I get it. I get it totally. Yeah, it's almost like a whole other arena and the DEI stuff. Although, you know, that's more directly in the education arena. Well, before you go, because we only have five minutes, less than five minutes left. It always goes by too fast, and we'll have you on again. At some point we can talk. So in your in your opinion, your professional or opinion, do you believe that HB 69 passes?
that could happen on the Senate side. What's your vision here? Do you think that Dunleavy vetoes it and then we're able to prevent an override? What's your crystal ball? Well, here's my take right now. The way it's written right now, and it's in the Senate, it's in Senate finance. It passed Senate education to unbelievably Senator. Crunk, he didn't even participate in the committee. conservative there but anyway it's not going to pass the way it's written because they can't fund it
Unless they take almost all, they're going to take a big chunk of the permanent fund dividend. And they're very adverse to that. There's an election coming up next year, and they don't want to be painted with that. The other thing is... they'll have to pass some type of tax income tax or sales tax but as we both know there are not enough people in alaska to bring in any tax income tax revenue unless it's extremely progressive so i
It's going to sound of kindness right now. So they have to figure out how to pay. Otherwise, it's not going anywhere. It's dead on arrival. It won't even... It won't even pass the floor vote in the Senate, I don't believe, unless they want to play politics and send it to the governor. And the governor says he's going to veto it the way it is. He has a good bill.
called Education Reform, along with some funding. And I think my way of thinking is... um he's going to push that education reform into that bill that may come out of the legislature for bsa increases and i think There'll be a compromise where there'll be some money set aside for increasing the funding of K-12 education due to inflation, nothing else. And that will be outside of the funding formula. It will not be the BSA, based student allocation, which your listeners need to know.
It's like almost $6,000, but that's not what it really is. It goes through this compounding formula and comes out the other end. In Anchorage, it's almost $8,000 per student. So that's what I call the big lie. So I don't think it's going to be in BSA, so it won't be in the funding form. It'll be like last year. And that's very important because once it's outside the formula, or once it's in the formula, that goes on until eternity, and it'll be hard to pull it back out.
Yeah, I don't know if it's Reagan or whoever it says. There's almost nothing that's longer living than a temporary tax. It goes on.
Yeah. You know what they're doing? They want to take people's... and this is going to hurt the lower income people right i mean they're really going to hurt when you take let's say you take three-fourths of their pft and that they use it and some people use their pft to send their kids to private school as well but that's really that's that that's a huge tax on the low-income people yes and they're the ones that
And they're the ones that need the best education going forward. We literally have one minute left. I want your take on, if you can. Well, what is the number one fix? This is a crazy question for 40 seconds left. What's the number one fix for the public? oh to improve education outcomes yep educate education savings account ESAs, backpack funding. Senator Shelley Hughes.
has a large paper and she's going to file a bill soon or maybe next year on education savings accounts. It's called STEP Student Teachers Excel Program. and it will result in about $7,000 going to the parent for each student they have, and they can choose the particular school they want to send their child to. But your listeners need to go to akaleg.org. Pay attention to House Bill 69 and support the governor on it and the good conservatives in the Senate as well.
David, I can't thank you enough, buddy. You've been a strong voice in this state, needed for a very long time. God bless you and all you do. We'll be in touch and we'll see you around. Keep up the good work and thanks so much for being on the show. You too, Jim. Thanks for the opportunity. All right, guys. We'll be back next week here on...