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A Relationship Reset

Nov 05, 202440 minEp. 34
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This week’s question: As a psychologist working with a team of talented people who are not psychologists, how do I get my colleagues to see me as their colleague and not their psychologist?

Discover:

  • Why you can (and should) strive for a balance that allows you to be seen as both a colleague and a professional without one overshadowing the other.
  • How to consciously set boundaries in for interactions in your professional environment.
  • Authentic language and strategies you can use when setting and communicating these boundaries.
  • The importance of embracing your human side at work. Sharing personal stories or challenges with your colleagues, will help them see you as a peer. 
  • Reshaping an established relationship doesn’t happen by itself. To change the way your coworkers perceive and interact with you, you need to be intentional and persistent. 

This week’s question comes from a psychologist in Melbourne. She didn’t submit her human design chart, but if you want to know yours you can discover it here: www.myhumandesign.com

I’ll Ask My Sister is the advice podcast where the cosmic meets the corporate. Sisters Ellen Hooper, Executive Coach in Melbourne and Mads Williams, Human Design Coach in London bring the insights of human design and astrology to your career and business struggles, and vice versa.

 

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Transcript

Hello and welcome to I'll ask my sister, the advice podcast, where the cosmic meets the corporate. I'm Ellen Hooper, an executive coach, and I'm joined by my sister, Mads Williams, a human design coach. Good morning for me from Melbourne. Good night to you from London. How are you coping? Okay. She's still awake. I'm still awake. Yeah. And actually, it would be very me of you to complain because it's only 830. But I was at my friend's house today.

got there at 430 and at 5 o'clock, because it was pitch black. I was like, Oh, I'm still awake. I better be going. I've only been there for 30 minutes, so I like settled in for another hour, but it feels so strange. It just takes you a second to acclimatize and not feel so fatigued. I know that it's such basic knowledge that we have the opposite seasons, but in my head I was like, but how are you going to summer? Like, no, I am. are your lucky thang, although lucky me, I'm coming too, so yeah.

Have you had a very dark cosmic week or a very dark corporate week? I cosmic. It's been a very cosmic kind of blur because I am doing that classic thing where reflecting before recording, I was like, Oh shit, it's been a huge week, but I just never clock those weeks. You do feel like a shell of yourself, no, it's the opposite. It's like I've peeled a layer, like the shells come off. So maybe I'm like reborn to standing there like, hello.

But you know how we talked about my spiritual rejection from the business coach Yep. The business coach, he said your soul wouldn't let him into your Akashic Yeah, that's the one. So On the back of that, I declared that I had returned to my innate being that I probably hadn't accessed since I was 13. If you recall, you might not, is that all it takes? A well, I'm just about to explain is I caught up last night with Dreesen, and she constantly is like, Reminding me of that encounter.

And I'm like, Oh yeah, I totally forgot that that like huge thing that changed how I feel about myself happened. I'm just like onto the next anyway. So I had one of those weeks where I made some pretty massive life changes and process a lot. And. My life is now unfolding in a different direction. But before the recording, I was like, I don't know what's happened this week. So yeah, I'm standing out being like, Hey, new born, but not quite ready to share, sorry, but it's cosmic.

I'm feeling cosmically raw tonight. Well, I'm going to give the listeners a very slight insight. Which is sometimes I'll come to the recording and I'll have forgotten to prepare which question I'm going to ask you. And I'll often pull a moon card to just like prompt me with ideas. Because I used AI once, it wasn't as good as I'd hoped, but the one I pulled out for you was new moon eclipse, which it says expect powerful change.

And then it says a new portal is opening up and all you have to do is have the courage to forget about the past and move through it. I just did a cord cutting today that I think is another reason I'm feeling particularly fatigued. And. you could do them when you are consciously trying to cut things off. But even I feel like for people who are tapping more into their energy or their cosmic lifestyle, like it's quite nice. I would say like auric cleanup.

To do some, because you never kind of know who snuck in there or some behaviors or some thought patterns you might be having towards people. So, it's a really great exercise. And I recommend going to Chris Crosstini. He's this amazing astrologer who has. sliding scale pay, whatever you want. it's 30 minutes. It's easy and you don't need to have done it before. You know what I mean? Like it, it's not, it's accessible.

So for our corporate newly cosmic curious listeners, what, like, when would I need it? I mean, I don't think you really need to describe what it is because. yeah, what are you talking about? what's relationship dynamics. Right. So it's like, have you attached to somebody that you have um, been in a relationship with in like a romantic way, a sexual way, even if it's like a traumatic way.

If you've had like conflict at work and that behavior or that anxiety is carrying with you to new roles, you family dynamics, like if you feel like it's not safe or someone's not kind of carrying their weight of the healing, you could, you know, Take it upon yourself to kind of cut the cords between you guys that don't feel healthy anymore. Like you can really set your own intention with it before you start. But I find what's so powerful about meditation, right? Is tipping into your third eye.

So you're getting these visuals or whatever that looks like for you, however, it's been communicated. So sometimes it will be things you weren't expecting. But it can also, I think, help a lot with when you notice yourself in victimhood and that can be like, why me, or why can't I get rid of them? Or why is this happening again? It's a lot about patterns and I'm really big on the it's okay if you're not ready to let go of something yet.

Like you might not want to let go of a person or you might not want to let go of that shitty experience because it means you get to be mad about it for a bit longer. Like for me, I'm like, yeah, be the bratty. in a screaming kid you want to be, but it's usually when you're walking around and you're like, this is too much now. Like I'm done. I'm done with the bullshit. Or I don't want you here. Or I don't want to carry that on. That's a great time for a court cutting.

it's so funny like the different people you can attach to. because I used to do my old job in HR, I mean, a few iterations ago, used to do a lot of kind of investigation and mediation. So I could get really attached to those people. And then for quite a few jobs ago, you still just like every now and then like dream about the CEO. it's not always, you know, the ex boyfriend or the mom or the dad. Like really fascinating. Okay, cool. So cosmic week for you. Cosmic week.

Yeah. I'll probably have more to share later because it will have landed. but what about you? Have you had a cosmic or corporate week? I have had a corporate week. I was off in Sydney last week, running a bunch of training for lawyers and I felt so, so exhausted when I got home. that's my knowing like human design coach with a generator doing something that maybe not super in alignment anymore.

And I was laughing cause I had put in my calendar for Friday after, after I got home, all these things I was going to do when I didn't do any of them, which was great. I'll watch a lot of TV on Friday. Yeah. And just had a bit of a relax. It's really tricky too, cause I got my period on the first day I got to Sydney, and it's just like the world's so not set up for us, you know, it's like, how good would it be if I could like, can we just try these 70 people next week?

Because it's not a great energetic week for me so kind of compounding those, you know. Two things together. but I was then like proud of myself actually taking a break cause I needed to do a little bit of extra design for my love your work course week two is happening in couple of hours and. I was like, I'm just going to wait until the inspiration lands, but also I was like, I'm also running out of time. Cause I, the inspiration needs to land before Sunday. So, that was good.

I got that stuff done. I think it's going to be really, really useful for people and it's looking good to really mastering Canva. You would have thought. Very nice. So yeah, a real corporate week for me. I'm still feeling a bit tired after Yeah. Listeners, every time Ellen does something, we're our lawyers. I'm always like. Is this the last one? Is this the last one? Also married to one, so. Is this the last husband? Do you have a question for your sister? I do.

So,. I have been doing kinesiology as you know, my favorite, and just signed up for another three months. my question for you is. You know how you were just talking about a cord cutting ceremony and you seem to be always doing really exciting, weird, cosmic shit. I want to do some more kind of different stuff too, but. I don't really know where to start, You can't sit with us. kidding. you can't sit with us. Rude! Yeah, cool. Exciting. what's the like, next one or two cosmic things I should do?

Cause I don't even really know where to look. Oh, was getting excited because I'm obviously going to be home for Christmas. So I was like, maybe we could do some things together. interesting as well, right? Because like in my head, I was like, go to a dance class. But for me, sometimes those things. are spiritual or cosmic, but I'm wondering if I should send you some cacao because you love your chocolate so much. Thank you. Cacao is so good for heart opening.

and that might actually guide you towards the cosmic things you're interested in, but seeing if anyone does a cacao ceremonies around you, I would definitely wait to be recommended someone for Reiki, uh, especially cause you have so much amazing kinesiology support. Obviously they're not the same thing, but you might find that person is already kind of filled in your world. Okay. And I don't love Reiki as much because I don't talk You like the verbal processing. I like the verbal processing.

Yeah. Do you have a question for your sister? I have a question that we have 100 percent answered for a listener and that I know how to access if I bothered, but I think I just want a pep talk and a reminder because I have had this like big week of change. and like, I love sharing it, but it's reminded me what Julia Cameron talks a lot about in the artist way, which is like, when you have a dream or a creative project, you're really excited about.

You really need to protect it because you end up. Getting people's projection or fear or what they would do. And so I am brave enough and I've done it enough and I have enough experience to know in those moments, like that, that's their shit and not mine. But I still have like being a bit disappointed or deflected by some experiences I've had in like the last kind of couple of days.

So What do I need to know or do to navigate this like next little bit, because I really don't want to get into the habit of living for the future. And like, even tonight I was like, Oh, I can't wait to be with my family at Christmas. And I was like, no, we're not going to do that. You know, we've got over a month and I very actively want to enjoy my life. At present. And then you will be annoyed with us as soon Well, that's us. what I was thinking.

Like, as soon as I'm there, I'm going to be like, I have no space. I have no privacy. They're so loud! So like, it's interesting because this wasn't in your question, but I get the sense you're kind of tossing out between a few ways of being. One is when I have these kind of pivots, changes in directions, shedding of skins, new moon eclipses, you know, should I keep those things to myself more? Yeah. So they don't get damaged or trampled on by others.

But I actually think there's effort, like that's not super who you are. effort in that. And actually what would it be like to put it out? And so for some people, for whatever reason to not just be 1000 percent on board immediately and for you to just still choose your choice. you know what's interesting? Cause I definitely choose it. I think where the fatigue is coming from, is I'm still offering it to people as a way of like, I think you need this information about me to understand me.

I don't need it to understand me. And actually, when I think about it, don't really care if you do or don't. But in social situations, you can. Let your guard down and just try to, like, feel the silence or offer the gift up. I think it's also what I was saying at the top, because I can have like a kind life altering week and then three weeks on have forgotten because that's being integrated. And now I'm like, I'm acting on all of that and like a new person.

So I do feel a bit like, Oh, no, you, well, I'm going to tell you so you can come along. So it's just always a shock I get any resistance or fear or doubt from people, it's been so long since that's happened. And I'm like, Oh, didn't want that from you. But obviously, anything that's coming in the future is unknown. So it probably is still just like a mirror to my uncertainty. And like, That's fine. We either stay the same and nothing changes or we blow up our life.

And I choose to blow up my life. So I have to just be okay with the trigger and then move on. I mean, some of us make incremental changes, but just that's an option as well. If you don't have someone blowing up their life, you're not always inspired to make incremental changes. I'm not saying you have to. do it for, I take it for the team guys. it's all for you saying some of the listeners don't want to blow up their lives, that that's okay too. There's two things that come into mind for me.

One is a way that people still will just act about the fact that you and I both hardly ever drink. So there's something about being the type of person who does something like doesn't drink and just knows that that's got a whole lot of emotional baggage for a whole range of people. And so that's fine. Also, I'm like, I'm really allergic to dairy products. I have been since I was a baby and just the amount of people like, Oh my God, I would die without cheese.

Just like, that's a pretty mean response actually. Like, I don't feel like if it's just, it's unthinking, it's all about them. It's not about you. It's so unthinking. You're right. I'm you know, you're right. That's really And then maybe if you, could have that know that like, that's just how portion of the population is going to react to your penchant for blowing up your life routinely. The second thing that comes to mind is actually from, parenting expertise.

So, Janet Lansbury, who has a bunch of books, one's called No Bad Kids, and a range of other parenting experts, they talk about. Being the leader in your family, and they talk about, if your toddler was holding like a knife, you would very confidently, you would really back yourself to be like, you can't have the knife when your toddler's like, I don't know, throwing the plate or, just doing something else that's not so life or death. You don't kind of proceed with the same confidence.

So she, I don't know, this is what she meant for me to take out of it, but I'm always like, go with the confidence of the kids holding a knife. And there's something about going with the confidence of like, I'm the leader in my life. I'm just presenting this to you as the leader of my life. And you know what? If you're a fucking finance pro pivoting all the time, everyone would be like, yeah, that's great.

and maybe it's a little bit of the offering up of Oh, I'm this person now, or I do this now, or like, it's just a little identity death for myself. cause it's interesting. You mentioned the drinking and I was like, what? that doesn't even like register. I don't even really register people's actions now. Cause I'm just so neutral with it because it's. There's no heat on it. yeah, I find that I don't get much response either.

And I was like, maybe it's because the people who are, people are used to it, but also there's like, maybe it's the leadership in it. Yeah. Yes. I think there's no space. I haven't allowed any space for anyone to bring judgment in because I don't have any, so that it's just like a closed door. So yeah, I think it's, I'm probably just like, uh, like, oops, I changed, you know, that catching up with any of my own.

Judgment And you know, you and I spoke a lot about how you're just a person who must book flexible flights. I think you're also a person who maybe wants to talk about your identity as exploring things. Well, isn't that interesting? Cause we've done that before. exploring right Yeah. My play personality is the Explorer. I think this feels like quite pivotal in the way that it's like, Oh, now I. Book refundable changeable flights.

It's like, Oh, now I take on six month leases or now I. I'm actually grounded enough in myself that I can move countries more effortlessly. Like all these things that used to maybe feel more destabilizing are things I can start to own. Because even the fact now this is the third year in a row, I've started Spent a decent chunk of the beginning of the year in the Southern Hemisphere. And for that to feel like a surprise, I think I'm just disappointed. Like, Oh, you dummy.

But that's actually, now that I'm saying out loud, I'm like, why are you being so mean to yourself? but it's interesting how it always starts with, I'm disappointed with that other person and what they said. And then in the end, it's like, I'm disappointed with I'm sad and I'm being really mean to me. And I talk a big game about loving on yourself. So I'm sorry. Awkward. Alright, well, should we hear from our sponsor? let's do it. Shall we hear from our listener? Let's do it.

this question comes from a psychologist here in Melbourne. And she has not given us her human design chart. So we're like just gone blind and rogue. Do you want to read a question? Yeah, as a psychologist working with a team of talented people who are not psychologists, how do I get my colleagues to see me as their colleague and not their psychologist? I think what's really fun about the fact that we don't have the chart is this thing that I will often explore with clients that.

If you think about the concept of human design, right, it's putting you in touch with your unique. And I think that's a really big way of operating, but also your gifts and talents. So once you kind of own those talents, you should be leaning into them wherever you are, whatever you're doing, whether you're at the grocery store, whether you're talking to a friend, but I think what's fascinating here is that work is work and we don't always want to be on.

So for me personally, like this can happen a lot and similar to what the, just. Disruption in my system with like, actually, oh, I'm just disappointed by myself in like my question to Ellen. Like I've actually found that I will lead with my human design knowledge or fill the gaps for people or answer questions because I'm kind of uncomfortable.

Like I maybe haven't clicked with them or I don't know what Talk to them about on like a human level, or I've assumed like, that's what they're going to want to know from me. So I can sometimes kind of lead with this, like, thing that I have at my disposal to only get like further into the conversation and be like, I'm actually really fatigued and I'm just at the pub and I do not want to be having this conversation. And so I've like recently really.

Being looking at my own behavior and involvement in that and noting that I have to shut that down. But the thing that I. Like connecting the dots, right? With how you are in one way is how you should be everywhere. It's like, well, the things that make me love human design is that I am curious about people and what they're good at and what they like and that like their self discovery and all these things.

So in a roundabout way, I'm wondering like, is there elements from that make you like an amazing psychologist and why you love it that you could like bring back into conversation that aren't about being a psychologist? I think it's a double edged sword. Like I suspect one of the reasons that people treat you like a psychologist is firstly, your colleagues know that you are one True. and secondly, you know, like you become very well practiced at Holding space. holding space.

Yeah. And being approachable and nonjudgmental about things that lots of other people are not approachable and nonjudgmental about. And I'm the same. Like if anyone's navigating some sort of career change, I'm really interested in it, but also I can find myself showing up as a coach and then halfway through being like, either I'm bored Mm hmm. because like, there's plenty of people who. Want to change careers, but don't because they've put a whole range of self imposed barriers.

And I have heaps of time for that in my coaching practice. But if I hit that in the playground, I'm like, yeah, shit, like I've gone too far. And now it would be quite a lot of work to shift this. And that's like, actually not what I'm meant to be doing right now. I'm just meant to be like casual. And I suspect that's the same thing with like mental health, which is you're good at holding that space and being nonjudgmental.

And then you can kind of be like, oh, shit, we're in we're in a different space. And I want us to get to the other thing that comes and. I have found and it's probably more when I was a lawyer and you kind of get halfway with not really legal advice, but kind of getting towards legal advice. Then this kind of responsibility will start setting in like, Oh I'm actually not insured for this or like doing this halfway.

So being kind of a halfway psychologist can actually feel a bit risky or a bit like irresponsible. And I think that's the other thing that like stresses us out too, which is like, this is meant to be like in a certain setting in a certain way. And now we're in this like a weird halfway point. And like, I'm now starting to feel like stressed about where this is going.

Yesterday, I actually went to a cacao ceremony held by my friend, and we were kind of debriefing after a few of us who are in this, I guess, space for, you know, Holding space and one of the girls said to her, you know, I think this thing can happen when you're facilitating that people put you on a pedestal and they're kind of like, well, oh, my God, you're the intuitive or you're the expert. Like, what can you see? What can you see in me? What are you noticing?

And actually, it's kind of a similar thing. Like, it's not as cosmic, but it is really like behavioral. And so people might be putting you on this pedestal of like, oh my God, you understand human behavior. So you're going to see into me more than I want you to see, or I'm going to assume you're kind of like this perfect person. So there's also part of me that's like not stepping over boundaries. You don't want to cross, but I, where can you let your guard down?

Where can you be a messy human with them? Like, where can you like lean in to energetically taking yourself off the pedestal. Just in case there's any way you're bringing that energy through. And then I think the other thing is about having some pretty good phrases that you use that you feel really comfortable with that you thought about that feel really authentic and good to you. Like what's your take though? Cause that's, I guess what I mean about like bringing your humanness to work.

Like, how do I get people to see me as a colleague, not a psychologist? So that's amazing for like this, you know, how do you enforce a boundary? How do you get out of a current situation? Like, how do you manage that dynamic? But just in general, like what is your take on bringing your humanness to work? We've talked about it a bit, but I would love your taking this like specific example. and I really like the word human because the, So profound.

the end, um, but the reason I like that is because, , I don't love my work every single day. You know? And I still have to constantly review whether it's actually working for me and what should change from it. And like, I still have bad balance days or weeks or even months. I do like that kind of idea of like, oh, I'm just human, like the rest of us. which I think can be good in the way that you relate to colleagues. I do find that people who do work like psychology can be very private.

, that's a huge generalization, but yeah, I think sharing more of yourself and what's like not going perfectly can be a way to kind of just be another human. So, because I'm assuming this person is not working with like a hundred other psychologists is like a psychologist with colleagues who do non psychologist house psychologist.

Yeah, I wonder if some professionals or if this listener feels like if they don't look like they've got it all together all the time that that might undermine their credibility in some way, which I'm always really conscious. Of the difference between theoretically how I hope humans will be and what it's actually like in your organizational culture, you know, most of the research tells us that's probably shouldn't be true that you could show up as a human being.

Being your whole self, not having it all together and still be credible and you'll know if your organizational culture doesn't, if that's actually a bit, idealistic of me, it's And as you were talking, I was like, Oh, it's such a fine balance. Cause you also don't have to serve up what's going wrong as like a gift or like entertainment or like bargaining for you to not then bring me your, your bullshit. So it's a very fun, complex one.

Well, I'm also really interested in like, what what these colleague conversations are like, like what is actually going on? Because if someone's kind of direct to you and comes to you for advice and they're like, as a psychologist, you know, I'm feeling like this. What does that mean? In a way that's quite easy to deal with because you can do some really easy things that I'm pretty sure this listener would be skilled at, which is like, it's so great that you want help.

, I actually can't help you as a psychologist for this, but here's some resources. Like if this is showing up for you at work in whatever profession you're in, and you don't have a toolkit for that kind of conversation, like you really need to create one pretty quickly, which is just having some words you feel really confident with, which is like, It's great you want help. I'm so glad you want help. I can't help you for these reasons.

So with Laura, I used to be like, I'm actually not insured to give you advice about this. And I haven't read a case since like 2014. So you probably want some better advice than from me. And here's where you go. Like that's like a really good sequence, but I suspect it's the kind of more indirect stuff that's like harder to manage. Like, Oh, the, this stuff is having this impact on me. Or like, I just really wanted to talk to you through how I was feeling about this.

And I think it's much harder to be like, I'm not here for your feelings.

And There's a few different techniques that you can, , use in workplaces, sometimes people want to go for like, okay, well, I'll brief the whole group, so I'll sit down with the whole group or at the staff meeting or the team meeting and say Hey, you know, I've been here for however long and I've just noticed this, , kind of stuff showing up and know, these are the kind of relationships I'd like to have and this is kind of the limitations or boundaries on that.

I think that's a potentially good approach if it's happening really regularly across lots and lots of people. I think if it's only happening with one and two people, using the group forum to address individual problems has two. risks to it. hmm. First, the thing that happens is the person you're actually trying to talk to can often not know you're trying to talk to them. it will go totally over their head.

And then all the good girls in the room, like me, will be like, was that one time I asked you how you were? Like, was that crossing a boundary? So you can just like really hit the wrong people, the wrong messages to the wrong people. The second thing is, if I do know that you're actually talking about an interaction with me. it can feel like you've been publicly called out even though you haven't.

So if there are like particular people that it happens with, I do think a kind generous conversation that just explains why and whatever the why is, like maybe the why is the impact on you. Maybe it's because you haven't been able to like, it means you can't give the time and energy that you need to like your actual patients or. clients in, um, your role. , maybe it's because, like, it's risky to you from a regulatory perspective, like, whatever the why is, like, just, I think, explaining it.

, and then , what is a colleague feelings chart and what crosses that line and how can you, like, just spend some time being able to articulate that clearly. Because I suspect this listener hasn't done that before because I guess you don't want to try to say to your colleagues like, I can never talk to you about how they feel because that's actually something that happens with deaf people. non psychologist colleagues all the time. think also what's coming up for me is intention setting.

So we can often say, like, I want things to be different, but we might not have investigated, like, how that might feel or that might look like so actually also, like, so this has been so, like, big on the boundaries or the communication. But if you're kind of craving that they see you as a colleague, or you have these colleague colleague dynamic, like other previous experiences That you had that you would like to kind of recreate, or is there a certain, dynamic you would like to achieve?

Because even if you know, or you can get a bit clearer on what that feels like, or what that is, you can be the leader and how you might get there. And that just might bring in some more clues about , what the next steps actually are as well. To me, it's like, it is the two parts.

It's like being able to shut down that you don't want to go into your role right now, but also that you want to grow a relationship that benefits you too, that works enjoyable for you, that you have support and friendship or whatever it is you're craving. And I can see why it is really tricky because if you just like wanted to have very professional, minimal interactions with your colleagues, like that would actually be kind of easy to achieve by Yes, boundary setting.

But it's like, I guess this question, if we expand it out conceptually, It's similar to anyone who wants to reshape a relationship and that can be really hard because relationships form these kind of like patterns and they're on their own kind of train tracks of patterns and trying to reshape them to look different, usually doesn't kind of happen organically.

it's most likely to be successful if there's some kind of intention, some open communication and some deliberateness about what it might be like in the future. yeah, and just the last point is kind of popped up and I was thinking about the cord cutting in conjunction with my. Discomfort over the last, like, a couple of days with a couple of interactions.

And so if this pattern is repeating and you kind of do take the kind of radical responsibility, look at it, like, what is the dynamic that might be playing out? And can you kind of trace it back to, like, in childhood, did you feel like you had to be the hero for the family? Or did you feel like you had to solve everyone's problems? Like, you know, are there any kind of, belief systems that are deeply. Rooted because it could be like a nice opportunity to like level up soul wise as well.

That's kind of how I'm always looking at tension in my system and like, is it asking me to grow or shift or change? Yeah, and what does your colleagues , treating you like a psychologist, what does that hit for you? I don't know.

Maybe it hits like, feeling like taking advantage of or responsibility or, Yeah, well, I can't let your freak flag fly or who knows it could be anything, but working that out Yeah, that can be really careful because I think we worry about if I tell this person what I want, is it going to make them feel in a particular way? Like, so if I tell them, I don't want to be that psychologist. I just want to be their colleague. Will it make them feel shut down or not heard? And like, probably.

But I think if we can be really personal about, , I want to shift this relationship because that's what it means to me. I think that it's not a silver bullet, but it's far more likely to be well received. do you mean, because like, the intention is that I want a different type of relationship. So, actually, it's like coming from a good place. Yeah, and I think that it just, if you're clear about what it means for you personally, it's just coming from a real place. right, right, right. right.

Instead of just like, waving over with generic stuff. yeah, because I used to be like, I don't want to give you legal advice because I'm not insured to. Yeah, But actually the real reason was like, I don't want to give you legal advice cause I think it's boring. Like that's not fun for me, or I don't want to give you legal advice because it's going to get really complicated. And then I'm going to feel really responsible.

For how this turns it's almost like a little lies and then you can then, like, get caught out in it. Whereas, actually, it can be intentional, you know, it's like you. You don't have to keep spinning all out. Remember what your excuse was when it's true. yeah, and I think those, I often come back to like, how deep are those relationships and how important are they to you?

Cause like for the friend of the friend of the friend of the friend, I might just say like, I'm not insured, know, like rational full stop. But for those like deep relationships, think I'd be lean more towards being like honest and authentic to keep them going. All right, we hope that was helpful. Yeah. give us the scoop of what you're allowed to give us as a psychologist. Just kidding. we want the gossip.

All right, should we hear from the moon Yes, let's do so firstly, one of my clients is studying psychology and she did very gently tell me that they teach in psychology that astrology is pseudoscience. I don't know enough about words to know about some salting. Science sounds good to it's, Noodle's like a so. our lovely psychologist, Fred, take it or leave it, whatever works for you. But we have here Full Moon in Gemini and it says the answers you need are coming soon.

And the attuned to the moon is have an important conversation. But stay calm, Try tell me you don't believe in astrology now, people. This card is a reminder that it's important to speak your truth, but remember that your words have consequences and impact your listener. Right now, you need to guard against indiscretion. The answers you need may well come soon. The issue you're facing could well be one of the following. Or a few conversations away from being resolved. That's nice, actually.

Because the baby steps like, it doesn't have to be 1 big conflict. You can, I always say it with human design. You can train people what to expect from you so that could be a big part of the process as well. Slowly guiding them. If you're inquiring about a love situation, a little flirting may be called for. That's not for a listener, but maybe there's someone else out there who needs it.

If you're in the middle of an argument, this card comes to you as a reminder of the old, very non Gemini message, Least said, soonest mended. So this is, it's non Gemini and it's saying, Like, say and do. fuck up and it will be Too. Yeah. Oh my God. Please somebody teach me how to do that. It's It's good to talk, but be careful you aren't causing yourself any issues with your words. Words have enormous power. As a physician, Florence Scovel Shinn, 1871 to 1940, put it, your word is your wand.

Oh, that's a pretty Yeah. And I was talking about spells at the beginning. There we go. Florence. Your word is your wand. You create magic and your own reality every time you express yourself. There you go. So I think the moon card really captured what we were saying, which is it's a great conversation to have, but it's a delicate one. And that's all we have. It's all that needs to be communicated. She's choosing her words There you go. The answers you need are coming, for all of us.

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