The Voice of SAMURAI JACK was in Pulp Fiction!

on our show? It's Phil Lamar, Yes, the Phil Lamar, the man who has done every cartoon ever in the history of voiceover, as well as some of the coolest movies and television shows and everything you have seen you've heard him. He's been on everything pulp fiction, Samurai Jack, Futurama. This guy is just so epic legend. Let's get into it. So we are here with Phil Lamar. I can't even believe that we're talking with you. Phil. Yeah, this is a big win. There's a big win for the podcast.

Thank you. That's so sweet. Um was reading your resume, as I tend to do when we have guests on. It's like, all right, let's see. It's like I've worked with you on a bunch of things, but let's see how many things he's actually done from beginning to end and my computer, rant think as I was trying to print it out. So, I, I mean, you've done so many voices, we can obviously hop into that. But you started on camera, right, Well, yes, and no it's weird

because okay, we like weird. Act first, you know, started pursuing my career. I went down the traditional actor route and started out doing theater and on camera and television and movies, and then after you know, establishing a little bit of a career, I then decided I'm going to pursue voice acting. But the truth of the matter is my very first professional job, the job that got me

my union card, was a cartoon my junior Yeeling high school. Wow, in high school, you booked your first cartoon with the union, a union thing known less. Yeah, okay, which cartoon? What? What? What? Which one was it? This was the Mr T cartoon? No, yeah, wow, I remember that back in three I think we started. I was never mind, but I feel like I've seen that Mr. T cartoon And this is the way he said, I pity, I pity the fool, like nineteen times right,

it was I pity the fool. Yeah, that was his catchphrase. Oh yeah, it was a cat. I mean basically the cartoon existed only because somebody at NBC said, well, we got action figures and cereal, what money did we leave on the table? Yep, I remember them, Mr t How long did it run for? How? And how did you get that job? Being so young? Um, let's say, I think we did three seasons. Yeah, three seasons. And a

friend of my mother's was an executive at NBC. Actually, it's interesting because she was the highest ranking black woman in television history. She was the head of children Phillis Phyllis Tucker Vincent. She was the head of children's programming at NBC. Wow. And I think my mother had probably dragged her to a couple of my plays, you know, in high school. And then when they had this cartoon where they were going to use actual kids for the

kids voices, which back in the eighties was very unheard of. Yeah, you know, she said, oh, why don't you come in audition for this? And like, okay, And you booked your first thing right out the gate like you always do in the business, which is the easiest business when you're friends with the head of the network. But still, I mean,

right out the gate. You're working. Now, did you get to record with with Mr T. Oh, actually no, and for for three season and I never to this day, I've still never met Mr T. Yeah, the first season, he's the first season said sorry, kids, um, Mr Ts a little nervous about his reading skills. He doesn't want to do it in front of the kids. And then the second season they said, he's so busy, we have the time, we have to go to Chicago to record him. We just can't get him in here. And by third season,

nobody was asking anymore. It was it didn't even bother to ask. I cannot believe that you never even got a chance to meet him. Now have you since worked with any of the cast or is it are you the only one from the Mr T Show that has

kind of gone on to a career. Well, actually, it's interesting because one of the girls who played, you know, one of the leads, Amy Linker, actually she was the star that she was one of the stars of Square Pegs, the show that's um, Sarah Jessica Parker started out on yeah and uh and like Amy was the name, the rest of us were just like standing there. Um. But yeah, I've still to this day not cross paths with anybody else from that show, and that might have had something

to do with the quality of the show. Yeah. Well eighties cartoons. You go back and you watch kind of the G. I. Joe's The Mask, you know, the Mr. T Show. They were pumping them out as fast as possible. Um. We were actually talked about that at one time, where it's like the Mask Show. You would watch certain episodes and the wrong voice would come out of the character and they just went, that's fine, Like the mouth flaps would move it all they got run, it doesn't matter.

It was they were just pumping them out and well, and the people who made the cartoons back then, I didn't care about cartoons. Nope, the cartoons were lost leaders to sell the toys. Absolutely. It was was Deak and all these companies that were just pumping them out as fast as is humanly possible. I remember our director would tell us kids, remember in every line up, that gives it energy. It's like acting I'm sorry you dog died. No, no, ended up, I'm sorry your dog died. There you go.

They would They just built these companies for these cartoons. I think the one that the G. I. Joe was literally just called F H G. And that was just Family Home entertained. It was like it was basically a shell corporation where they're sending the money somewhere, but you'd see it was ah, but of course behind the American flag h Family Home Entertainment. I know. And it's so funny. It's so hard for people nowadays to really get their

heads around the mentality back then. It's like, because nowadays people I grew up watching cartoons, I love it. Animation is art. It's like, no, this is just something we're trying to use to, you know, get some MATEL money exactly. But then that's it's interesting because that then brings you into another world where you were in. We'll jump into

that a little later. But because Batman the animated series came out, which kind of then changed everything nine, which then gets into Batman Beyond, then gets into a little show called Justice League Unlimited. So we'll get into that in a second. Because there is a very specific memory I have of Justice League Unlimited. It was standing near you and it made me realize how terrible an actor I actually was. But we'll get to that in a second.

Another connection we have and I want to talk about very briefly is Connecticut because you went to ye so Christie and I are both from Yeah, you've been a Toads place. Toads basic, Christie, I know, right, I know totally. And by the way, also, all the best some people. If you're in the world, you know this. If you're not, you don't. The best pizza in the country is in New had in Connecticut. Yea, so pep Pepe's and everything else over there. So you you you're studying it, Yale.

You you started, they're one of the biggest sketch comedy groups. You started, helped to start Purple Crayon. Yeah, well, I mean I was just part of the initial group. It was my friend Eric Berg, who was from Chicago. He spent a summer doing Second City and improv Olympic and then he came back in a bunch of us who had done plays with him and saying, hey, guys, you want to start an improv group. We're like, what's that? Wow? And yeah it's funny because we had no idea what

we're doing. We were doing something called the Herald, this long form improv thing which we had never seen anybody do. He just described it to us like, all right, let's try it and that group still exists, like d five years later, Now do you ever go back? Do you ever go back and like, are either watch them or join them or any of that kind of stuff anymore? Actually there was was it the twenty five anniversary? We I got to go back and and see the group,

and yeah, it was really wild. Although when you get to be this age, there are a lot of things that are very old. Hey man, we're starting to feel that that's it does. But it's also really great because you have that legacy and and improv. Really, I think it really did help the voiceover arts over time, and I saw Will and even myself, like I grew up in the theater, but improv was not big for me because it was more about hitting my marks as like

a little kid, so improv was discouraged. I had to be, you know, off book but saying the right lines and and and all that stuff. So improv for me, I was a late starter for that. But I remember distinctly watching the way that Will would sort of really find the nuances in his character and compossible and it was very inspiring. I always give him props because why not, you know, I like the guy I was just watching DiMaggio and going, I want to do that, and he

had a lot more. He probably had a lot more exposure to that, But for me, improv was was rare. And it's interesting to hear you talk about improv. I'm curious how much improv has helped you find your voice as a voice actor. Well, it's it's helped a lot. I mean, although obviously there were pe Bowl voice acting, you know, I don't. I don't think Mel Blank ever, did you know improv or freeze tag um, So it's

not needed, but it definitely helps. I mean, over the years, I've seen there are certain people who are able to move into voiceover more easily. Singers Christie, Yeah, you know, just the fact that you're able, you're used to, you know, being conscious of how you sound. That helps. And improv helps with voice over because it's about making choices right away.

And I think one of the problems that a lot of you know, on camera stage actors have transitioning into voiceover is I'm used to spending two weeks of rehearsal, learning my blocking, memorizing my lines, internalizing everything, and then having it have a feeling yeah, as opposed to here are some words on a page. Give those a feeling, now go it is it's instead yeah, yeah, I don't

have my my pathology, my back. I remember constantly turning off Mike to talk to the actor next to me, because you're because you're on camera, you're acting with the idea that you're not talking to somebody, not looking at in the eyes. So I'm sitting next to somebody doing my first v O and I keep hearing Andrea going into the microphone. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm trying to

act with the person next to me. So that was another big thing, but so so moving forward then, because your improv skills lead you into a tiny little show called mad TV, which was huge at the time it came out. I mean nothing, nothing, well, but let's put it this way, huge in that only a couple of shows came out that ever had the chance of even rivaling SNL because SNL was like sketch comedy and that's all that did it. And then Living Color and Mad TV gave it a run for its money. It really

a different voice. Well, eventually mad TV established. Although it's it's funny because I mean, for me, I started doing improv, you know, in college with these amazing people. It's funny because most of the people in my group didn't go on into show business, like one you know, was presenting cases to the Supreme Court, you know, you know, just

I mean, they were all just brilliant, brilliant people. And then and then there was right then I just went and I and so when I graduated and came home to l A, I started taking classes at the Groundlings just because I missed doing improv. I didn't even it

wasn't even a career move back in the nineties. And but then I started writing sketches and that prepared me for Mad TV and so you know that whole sketch comedy, you know, multiple characters and you know, and actually on Mad TV, we were doing animated claymation stuff, and that's where I really got my Mike time, you know, and that's that's amazing. I'm pretty good at this because obviously did not prove that it's the Mr T. Didn't even

prove it to Mr T. But that's great. So then yeah, you can, I guess kind of credit improv with really bringing you into the voiceover world. That's very cool. Yeah, So yeah, well I think we if if memory serves. Uh, fellow Kim Possible cast member Nicole Sullivan was also on Mad TV, So there's another connection. Who who of course played she Go And Uh, that's who I got to.

You know, I only recorded with We always talked about Kim Possible because you had said to us, I think kind of before we started the interview, like I did. I did it in an episode of Kim Possible. And we never worked together because we never worked with anybody sea. So we we had Lisa Shaffer who was Yeah, that's the thing that we had Lisa Schaefer, who was our director on and she's listing all of the actors that were on Kim Possible and it is the most amazing

list in the world. And there's Christie and I like with our heads in our hands, like how do we not get to work with any Ricardo Montalbond, Jean Smart, I mean, just one after another, and it was just like, how do we not get a chance to work with any of these people? Um, so yeah, well no, it's because they just everybody was so busy. Apparently we were like I was recording every week with John and with Nicole. So I would have loved to have had them there,

Christie was getting educated in New York. I would say, though, that when I found really endearing about that process, at least, was any time I would be in studio, Lisa would anchor the fact that, Hey, you know who we have playing such and such? Do you know who we have

playing such and such? And she was so excited about the choices in the casting that it got me excited because even though I was new to understanding where what people would be doing with that, I eventually understand like, Wow, um, Dakota Fanning is playing baby Kim Possible in the movie. That's going to be amazing, But not she's going to

be what's up? Debbie Reynolds was was I mean, it's like name after where she's just mentioning these people and we're going, wait, what Like That's how I think we all knew the show was great when we had people like yourself and and we would hear just the name after name, we would be like, I think this show is doing well for Disney. I don't know why they don't bring it back. Well, that's a whole different thing.

So then I started so then getting into back to the v O world, we talked about how cartoons were very much one thing. Um, I call it p B pre Batman, p B A pre Batman the animated herea where we're very much like you said. They were cheaply put together commercials for the toys you were buying. And don't we all loved them. We have a special place in your heart. But watching the original ThunderCats at eight and watching it at twenty eight was two very different experiences.

So it holds up in your heart, not so much with any other sense. Um, so you Batman the Animated series comes out, It then spins off to Batman Beyond, and the last episode ever of Batman Beyond was an episode called The Call. And the reason why the Call was so important. It was a two part episode where uh my, my character Terry joins the Justice League and

it's Justice League of the Future. And it was years later that Bruce Tim told the story where he said, essentially, the only reason we did that is because we knew we were doing Justice League and we wanted to make sure we could hold that many stories, that many characters in one episode. So all of a sudden outcomes and I'm a huge fan of all this stuff. Christie knows

I like their nerd out on this stuff. Yeah, I love it to outcomes Justice League, which is one of the greatest superhero animated series ever with arguably one of the best ensemble casts ever put together. So directed by Andrea Romano and you know, amazing. And then we have Phil Lamar as John Stewart Green Lantern. Now, they could have gone any Green Lantern they wanted to go by this point. It could have been because I played Kyle Rayner on that show, so it could have been Kyle.

It could have been anybody, and they said, no, we want John Stewart. And incomes Phil. Can you talk a little bit about maybe the first time you heard about the project and if you knew who you were reading for, did they keep it a secret? I mean, do you remember being cast in the show? Yes, I remember auditioning over at Salami Studios and and we knew what it was this because this was back in the days when show business didn't treat itself like the Pentagon, right, Yeah, exactly.

I remember that week well because there was no N D A S. Because there was no internet, you know, or camera phones. So you know, what are you gonna do? Like, Oh, I'm gonna walk out with my script pages and yellow the street day. Look, it's a justice plague. I'm going to write a letter to the newspaper and let them know what I'm doing. Right, Nobody cared. Nobody cares. So I remember being in there, and I'm an old school

comic book head, so i was excited. And we've been working on Static Shock already, so I'm like, okay, you know, I'm in this world. But there was no no direct connection because it was not Batman the animated series, it was not Batman Beyond. I'm like, oh my god, now I'm now I've moved up to the top floor. Let's get let's get this. And the hilarious thing was the person who went in to read for Jon Stewart ahead of me was an actor named Dennis Haysbert. Of course

you know Dennis, you know, of course. Now he's the he's the guy on those All State commercials. You're in good hands. Yeah, And Dennis basically looks like Bruce's drawing. I mean, he's like six four and he's buffing like the square John. I'm like, he's the guy put on a green suit. He They would have hired him right now for the live action. Yeah, and I'm just like, I can't imagine. And also the way Bruce draws. Everybody's

got the very gigantic chests. Yep, the triangle people, right, they kind they come out, come out like this and come in. Yeah. Well I couldn't imagine having anything except this, like a voice like Dennis's. You this big yo man resonating chamber voice. So I'm like, well, I'm just I couldn't get Dennis's voice out of my head. So I went into audition. I'm John Stewart Green Lantern of Sector two eight one four, you know, And they started talking

about the character. Yeah, he's a marine from Detroit, and like, all right, well let me my dad's from Detroit. Let me add a little texture that my dad had his voice. No, listen to me flash, you know. And it turned out they out there nerding out again, nerding out again, so we could go back to static shock. But here's what I what I wanted to do. Here's here's when I knew I was a bad actor. This is the story I was telling. So that we did an episode of

Justice League, I think it was jail. He was Justice League Unlimited called Once in Future Things where we go into the future and Batman Beyond is there and gets to meet kind of it's so the story is Jon Stewart and Batman get trapped in a time bubble and

they get sent forward. At first they get sent to the past, and it's all you get to meet Jonah Hex and all these great people from the past, and then they get sent to the future and there's there's Terry McGinnis and all this other and we're doing a scene and the scene is I'm there and Phil is now playing Young Static, Old Static and Jon Stewart and he has a scene where it's the three of them talking, and so for about twenty minutes, you just sat back

and let Phil play everybody all the parts. Will be paying all the parts, literally, the young kid talking to the old guy, who's then answering John who's talking to the two And I remember just sitting there just kind of going, I'm not good at this. There are people

that are on such a different level. And that was one of those moments where you do where it's like I remember Andrea saying to you at for Andrea Romano, the director saying to you, at first, do you want to take them one at a time, and you're like, no, let's just run through them, and and that was it. You did. It was like a page and a half a dialogue of three different characters, three different ages from three It was the the most crazy thing. And I did.

I just it's a bit of gushing, but I remember just sitting there, just having these two moments of I'm so excited to be here and I'm gonna go quit this job and go do something I'm better at because I'm not. I can't do this. Do you remember that recording?

I do? I do? And it's funny because that was the mark, the high water mark for me because I started working on Futurama and in the first episode, Billy West, who played three different characters, there's a scene where his character the Professor, introduces his character Fry to his character Zoidberg. And I remember sitting in there and had the exact same you know, like watching him like, oh my god,

it's like, I mean right, like I was like that. No. No, Basically, it's like if you're a little leaguer and all of a sudden you're sitting in the stands at the All Star game. That's how it's done. Yeah, And I remember thinking like, Okay, that's gonna be my my bar someday, someday, I'm gonna work. Because there were episodes when we did on Static Shock where I had to play Static Shock

and Green Lantern and I didn't record them together. Okay, okay, because you know, the static voice is a fourteen year old boy and John Stewart is my deep register, and I'm like, okay, I don't want to static to like static dude, get up to here, right, No, Andreia, Let's just do them separately. But by the time we got to jail you, I mean you you know this experience when you sit in a room with Kevin Conroy for

a few years, Uh yeah, you get good. Yeah you have to you don't you don't have a choice, you don't have a choice, or else you just or else how bad you are really shines through when you're sitting in between Conroy and Mark Hamill for two weeks like I was, I was like, I don't have a choice. I don't have a choice. I canna ask you guys. A lot of a lot of the people that listen to the podcast are just so enthusiastic about voice acting, and some of them even want to be voice actors.

That and myself too included in terms of just improving on the craft and understanding those leaps and bounds that you guys have both kind of our vocal rising. Not to make a pun, but just like how you get better. Is it really just like fear and shame of of of impos syndrome or is it just that you're looking at those people and you're like, Wow, I am so passionate about the art of this, the art form of this. It's not just selling toys. It's not just getting my

Union card. This is about the art form of vocalizing or the vocalization of it. So yeah, I mean, yeah, how does it? How what's the journey there? Well, I mean I think it's similar to any form of acting, any form of our actually, any skill set. You get better by seeing people better than you, you know, playing against them, playing you know, like in sports you're playing against people that makes you better, but in acting you're

playing with people. I mean, I remember being on set during pulp fiction and watching Samuel L. Jackson just play a character in a room and I'm just like, oh my god. Five minutes ago, i was talking to a guy He's not here anymore. There's somebody else in his body now, and so that sets the bar mentally. I mean, I think it's the same thing in music, like when

you you start out, you maybe have some talent. You know, you're pretty good, but then you see somebody so much better than you're like I can get there, m and then you just you know, you learn yourself and then you learn the craft and you just keep moving up. You know. I think since you mentioned it, and since you're sitting in front of a poster of it, I think we have to talk a little bit about pulp fiction. I mean, I know, yes, yes, I'm thirty eight, I

am grown phil. I know. I know we're v O and we want to stay v O and VO is the greatest thing in the world. But I mean, it's arguably one of the greatest films ever made. UM. So you know, what is your experience like working with now did you know Tarantino? Do you know the crew beforehand? Or um? Was this a straight up audition like anything else and you just hit gold? No? Actually, weirdly back to improv, Quentin Tarantino was friends with Julius Sweeney and

she invited him to come do a groundling show. And so the first time I met Quentin, we did an improv comedy show together on stage. He was actually really funny. And then when he was casting the movie, he brought me into audition. So thank you, Julia. But what's interesting is that I believe there is to some degree a correlation because it's funny because people will say, oh, you've done you know, stage and film and voice over, which is your favorite? Yeah? And I can say, honestly, my

favorite is not any one genre. My favorite is the stuff that's really well written. Because to me, pulp fiction has more in common with Justice League then it has with many of the other films I was saying, right, just because of the quality, just because of the Yeah, something like when you get a great script and a fantastic character to play, it elevates you. It makes you a better actor. And when I read the script for pulp fiction, I was like, WHOA, Like you nuverize it

almost instantly just because it it flows, It clicks. Yeah, And when you work on a great animated show, it feeds you, you know, impulses, like you're able to make choices that you wouldn't like. That's the thing. Great material makes great performances regardless of the medium. That's honestly true. Fantastic answer. We get this question all the time at comic cons with people. But you know, Will and Christie, you guys have done so many things which your favorite

and to Will's credit, he's always said it's about good story. Um, and I agree, like we've been so blessed to be a part of like with bat Man or Kim possible, great quality stuff that I feel like stands the test of time, and there's that legacy. That's a wonderful, wonderful answer that I had never thought about before. Um. Now, this this being the case right as you want to work as much as possible, So then how do you will yourself to find value in things that don't necessarily

click right away? Now you're just giving me a masterclass and booking, so just tell me we're giving Phil's giving everyone a master class. Why we're here on I hear voices. Well, that's funny because I don't know about you guys, but do do you find that it's easier to do the weaker material in voice over than it is on camera? And I don't know if it's because you don't have

to put your face on it. Yeah, I think, But I also think there's a when you're doing kind of it's it's such a small it's it's changing now, and thankfully it's changing now because it needs to open up. But it was such a small community of voice silver actors that even when you're doing something that isn't great, you're usually surrounded by people you know, love and respect. So there's five or six of you in the room that no, it isn't great, and it's more about entertaining

each other. So that becomes kind of a thing like you finished doing something, and you know you finished something that you know isn't going to be great, but you walk out going like, man, Dietrich Beder and I had fun, or or Jeff Bennett and I had fun, or man, Tara Strong was great today and we're never gonna do this again because it ain't ever going to be a show.

But man, did they have me laughing. So there's something too that side of the community where it was you're just you know, when you're on camera, you never know who you're gonna be with. So it's more like, oh, now, not only is the material not great, but you can tell my heart's not in it, and I'm gonna give it my best, because you know, your best performance is

always the one you're in. But uh, it's very strange. Yeah, Mike, Mike Can, I have the strangest connection to pulp fiction and that I know and have worked with two people that have played our arguably some of the smallest roles, but most two of the most famous roles in the film. You and Steve Hibbert, who was the Gift. So Steve Hibbert was actually a producer and writer on Boy Meats World.

So yeah, so there's the two smaller roles, but two roles that when you think of pulp fiction, right, you're two of the people that instantly pop into your head. So it's I always say that I have this weird connection to two of the coolest characters in all of pulp fiction. You know, Steve was one of my teachers at the Growlings when I first started. Was he really He's a great, absolutely great guy. Um, and I gotta

call him. Yeah, Hey, you know you guys mentioned mentioned something really interesting about how Justice League and like Batman beyond and it's it's interesting because before there was fan fiction and maybe Phil you can speak to this being sort of a comic book O G H. Yeah, I know that within the comic book structure there was a lot of overlap up, But did Batman beyond and that world that y'all created and that those people were creating, was it sort of the gateway to the fan fiction

world in a way to like pair this person with that person that you wouldn't necessarily see animated together. Oh interesting. Um, I don't know. I think the Internet was really the thing that really made fan fiction explode. But original comic book nerds like Philip check me if I'm wrong. But you're You've got like hundreds and thousands of comic book Like you're like a big comic book collector, right, Well, I'm a bit comic book reader, so I have a lot of them, but I only keep the good ones.

Oh interesting, Okay, so you're not a comic book horder, horder. You're not going to see you on A and E where we've got to go in and like, oh my god, Phil Lamar is actually surrounded by thousands of old Silverhawks comics or something exactly. But but I know I'm the guy. That's funny because when we go to cons with the

Justice league folks. Everybody always say yeah, we would come in of sessions and if there was like some you know, B level comic book character I've never heard of, Phil would go hold on and he'd open up his bag. He's like, I've got him here. So how many do you have? I don't know. I don't count them. I just have because you know, it's hard to throw away books. But but Christie, that's an interesting question because comic books

do have a history of crossing things over. Although for a while they would just change a story Okay, now this is a new green lantern. And because it was a bunch of old guys writing things for kids, they didn't care. But then later when those kids became it

was like, well where's the other one? Yeah, and so they would create you know, storylines like well he's on Earth too, that's where that Yeah, that's like improv though, Phil, that's like yes and yeah, you know it's like it's because when you think about it, no, really is such a block for creative creativity, and um, the yes and is what birth's new ideas and imagine the word. So essentially what happened was all the kids that Cared grew up to be Kathy Bates and misery going. He got

out of a cockat duty car. So that's pretty much what ended up happening. And then the story's got well, I mean, there we see it now with Marvel. Everybody's doing the multiverse things and this is stuff that they did in comic books for forever. And when I was trying to get a handle on that, um, I would ask people like, Okay, I want to read X Men. Where do I start and what we're and they and they go, you can't. I can't answer that question. Start

at one, all right, but which one of the one? Well, you gotta go here, And then that's you're talking about this kind of version and that kind and it gets so confusing that That's one of the reasons why I of animation is because I love take you know, somebody like Bruce tim and Paul Deny and uh, you know Alan Burnett, the way they would take certain stories and take a little bit from this comic book and a little bit from this storyline, and a little bit from

the storyline and create something completely new, right, which was you know, the Batman and Superman could be against each other but didn't fully hate each other yet and then they have to fight, but their tongue in cheek about so they could kind of skirt the line of all the different versions, which I thought was very very cool. Well, do you have difference between you know, honoring continuity and fan fiction because fan fix, like, you can't change anything

that I watched when I was a kid. Everything has to be exactly the same. But for Bruce and Allen and those guys, know, this is source material, yeah, right, the things that make it great and throw out the crappy stuff that somebody is stuck in. That's yeah, which is brilliant. Now do you Christie you were you were talking before about about the difference between we always talked about the difference between recording video games and recording animation.

Do you do a lot of video games film? I do a fair amount, not not a super big ton, but uh but yeah. It's It's funny because in the beginning, when they first started using actors for video games, because as we all know, in the very very beginning, there wasn't enough bandwidth to have, you know, performances. But then as the technology moved up and they had, oh we've got all these cinematics. Okay, we can't have the guy in rendering do that voice anymore. Exactly, Somebody get fifty

bucks and find us an actor. Man. And when the characters stopped having to run in one direction with a background that kept being the same the entire time, yeah, exactly, it was no longer contra you were fine. But it's funny because coming out of animation half hour, you know, cartoons into video games like okay, it's you alone for

four hours straight and the last hour will be you dying. Yeah, like fronting and yeah, yeah, they save all the action sounds for the last part of your works, like okay, now give me computed, short, medium and long always al right. So I have a couple of questions that I always ask here. One of them is is there a character you haven't voiced that you would love to? Oh, that's interesting because, like I said, I'm an old school comic book guy, and Batman is my totem animal. Batman is

my hero. But I've heard Kevin Conroy there in lies the rub, right, It's like, you know, I don't know. I guess being a spear carrier and watching uh Laurence Olivier play Hamlet, like yeah, no, I don't want to play Hamlet no moment, but don't you think Hamlet? Ever, it's true, but don't you think. And here's one of the reasons why Kevin is such an amazing and generous actor. He also this is also the joy of being in Batman beyond is that I didn't have to play Bruce.

I was a whole new thing. I could work with Kevin. I didn't have to follow in anybody's footsteps. But one of the things Kevin always says is he likes how different actors bring a different take to Batman. So I mean, couldn't you see yourself saying, like, Okay, Kevin's Kevin. He's always going to be Kevin. There's no Kevin is. People always say, who's your Batman? Is it? You know? Is it the Tim Burton Batman's is a Christian Bale. I'm like, no,

you're missing Batman. Batman is Kevin Conroy and always will be. So he does stand by and I will till the day I died. Kevin Conroy is Batman. So if he gave you his blessing, which he would, you know, you know he would because he'd be like, I want to hear your take. I think what would you do? How would I how would you approach Bruce Wayne? We'll see this. This is one of those things because I mean, as an artist like Kevin, you know, everybody plays King Lee,

everybody does their own version of the character. You know that nobody owns it, right. But I've also got the fanboy in my head being will We're gonna be kp and Roun forever? Damn it? That's okay, So can you take can you shut down the fanboy? I've got the fanboy thing in my head. And it's funny because I have the same problem, you know, voicing Batman that I've had because a couple of times over my career they've recast the Looney Tunes characters and Buds Bunny is like

what I used to say. I was like, who are your favorite actors like Um, Sidney Potier, Tom Hanks, Bugs Bunny? Yeah? Because I love but whenever I would audition, because they send you the c D of mail blanks, you know reference and you know when I do Budds Bunny, I still hear a little bit of my voice in it, and I go, Nope, that's not it. Now, what are

you talking about? Doc? It's Bugs bunny, you know, And I know a couple of bugs bunnies, Eric Bow's Billy West and I love your cares because I don't hear me in it, that's the thing. So are you one of those? So then there was times where people would send me, especially for on camera, They would send me stuff and in my head, I would look at it and I would go, I wouldn't cast me in this.

So if I wouldn't cast me in this, why would I go, Which, of course is the worst thing in the world as for an actor you want to get on, but it is it's like, you know, they'd be like, all right, you're you know, you're the quarterback jock and you've got And I remember thinking like I didn't have a date for my problem, so I'm not gonna go try to audition for quarterback jocks. Like, I'm just not going to do that. Oh man, no, will do your best. Brad, come on, my best my best Brad was his name

is Brad. He's a quarterback. Oh there you go, my best. Hi, I'm Brad, and I'm sorry that I'm picking your daughter up for a prom. Um that's my best crop. Uh So yeah, no, I get what you're saying, but isn't there is? Now? Here's my question is the desire to play Batman? Would that be more compelling than the fanboy voice in your head? Not yet? No? Okay, So even if you're what if you're offered, You're straight up offered, you're the new Batman. You don't even have to audition,

You're the new Batman. Are you going to turn it down? Oh my god? That would be well. No. First I would call Kevin. I'm like, did they offer this to you? And he go, who? Who is this? Speaking of of Kevin, did you get a chance to see him play your Bruce in live action? During? It? Was amazing? W crisis? It was? It was amazing and he was so nervous. That's the thing that I love. It's not that he walks in and he steps up and he goes, I've been playing this part for thirty years. Now I get

to play it on camera. It's that he looked at me at one point and he's like, I'm afraid with my stage since I'm just gonna be too big. I was like, I think you're gonna be all right. I think the fans are gonna be okay with you. Playing Bruce Wayne live action. But I just look like, after playing Batman for so long, he played bat you know, the Bruce Wayne from Batman Beyond came and he's and he's bad, and the thing he hated was that he was bad. He's like, I've gotten the fans they didn't

like that. How it was. It's so because he cares so much about the character. But again, you can't even you can't even answer the question without taking Kevin out of your head. So Kevin calls you and says, Phil, I don't want to play Batman new series. I want you to to to pick up and wear the cowl. What do you do if? Yes, if it's people that

I trust, yeah, there you go. Okay. Like if it were you know, Bruce or Ellen Burnett and Kevin doing like I would, I would take a swing at that, definitely, okay, because that because I now have a Batman of course, I'm sure the session would go alright, alright, hold on a second, Phil, stop doing, Kevin stopped doing. Kevin Conroy, um, hey, bail it um, so we could talk Futurama. We could talk.

I gotta go to Justice League very quickly. Again. I'm sorry because we're talking about doing the multiple characters, and you just we're reminding me because you also did Steel. Yes, um, which you told me in the room was your who was? It is Samuel Jackson? Who who was Steel? Somebody? You didn't? I put a little Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman, That's what was he did. Can we hear a little Steel? A little Morgan Freeman. Well, the thing about Steel was he

was a professor who became a superhero. It's so the best you know. Well, And the funny thing was I needed him to sound I needed him to sound different than John's Stewart. So he was someone who sounded like this. But then in that episode you were talking about before, when they brought the older Static, I was like, oh, dang,

do I have an you did though you did? What I did was I went, I went back to you know, Virgil, the original fourteen year old Static, and then said, well, I mean, you know, not everybody when they grow up gets a big, deep voice. I mean, if if your voice is like this when you're fourteen, then you grow up and you become you know, an adult, ye whatever, And then that man grows up and maybe gets into his fifties HiT's the same voice, but just a little

bit of texture to it. That's awesome. That's awesome. Taking note everybody. It amazes me how you just walk through the range like that is just absolutely insane to me. So yeah, I mean, okay, Well, the other question that we always ask everybody because it's these are the questions that people love to hear the answers too, and some A lot of times people are like, I can't tell you the name, or I can't get too much into this story, but baby daddy, yes, yes, And Brendan comes

running in from the other room. Wait what m her? Careful? Her husband's w um? So is he? It's green exactly. I'm a cartoon Marie. Do you have any moment, like any sessions in your head, for good or bad, that really stand out for you where either you were working with somebody that was nuts, you were working with somebody that was amazing, somebody you really looked up to. I mean, was there ever did you walk out of a session

going like, damn, that's the story I'm going to tell. Yes, um, and you don't need to mention any names, by the way, you can, but you don't. And we can also bleep if you'd like to, we've we did it in our last episode. We did it in our last episode. But no, just it's I said before, So Chrissy's husband doesn't does doesn't come good sport. He isn't good sport. Actually, actually there there's one story that I can use the names and it blew my mind in a way. I mean,

and this is well into my career. During the the final season of Samurai Jack, like we have done the show on Cartoon Network back in the early two thousand's and then fourteen years later we wrapped up the series and during over the Bend to talk Samurai Jackiet, I'm sorry, we didn't even talk Samuraiji. I know, I love, I love, We'll get anything, but I want to hear the story. It's it's it's a great show. But over the fourteen years that the show wasn't on the air, we lost

one of our cast members. The original villain, you know, playing the voice of the demon wizard Aku was an actor named Mako Iwamatsu, who is incredible, like just because most of the episodes were just me and him, and being in the room with him was like being on set with um. Samuel L. Jackson's like masterclass, Like, oh dang, there, didn't he just go by Maco like he did a whole bunch he was. He was a very much a reoccurring person on mash, which is my favorite show of

all time. He's been on ever, I mean, he's been on television. He started in like the fifties, I think, I mean a legend. Remember going to a Jerry's Deli, sitting down and there's a poster for um Stephen Sondheim's Pacific Overtures and Maco's name is over the above the title That's crazy, did it? Yeah? You know? And it's it's funny because there was there was a session where because Michael ahead a very distinctive voice, you know, he had this heavy texture in the accent, and like when

he was talking, you knew it was him. And one episode of Samurai Jack they cast him as another character and I was like, really goods, you know, and I'm thinking, like, when this is over, they're gonna have need me to

revoice it because he's got such a distinctive sound. Sure, but then we're doing the scene and we get to his character and he doesn't alter his voice so much as he just plays the character completely differently than he plays Aku, Like he plays Aku as this very high status character and then he plays this other characters very low status. And and then when I watched that episode, I can't even tell it's him. Wow. And that session is when I learned that in voice acting, it's a

misnomer because the acting comes before the voice. And he showed it to me right then and there. It's like, it's not about making different funny sounds, it's about bringing the character to life. And I'm just like, oh, okay, amazing. He was so important in my childhood, not just for

mash but for the Conan movie. Yes, I mean it just it does matter to me so much as a kid that it was like every time I see that, it's just I was convinced back in the day that they hired him as the narrator just to make Arnold's accent easier to understand, which there is Conan barbary if you stout hearing that, so then when this guy stops talking, you can understand me. Right. It was so great that just how it just ends and he became king by

his own hand. But that is another story. It was like, oh, there's gonna be another one like you just you lost it. You was so great and he had that voice. It's like a James Hank kind of thing where it's just you hear the voice and you're instantly snapped into something where it's like, oh, that's the coolest thing in the world. So that's a cool story. I mean that is being able to to sit there and watch a legend like

that at work is is pretty awesome. Um now, very quickly, and then in about about five minutes, we've got uh I think it's Jonah, our fan is coming in. Who is going to get to play with us? Which is gonna be a lot of fun. One question I do have because Futurama is obviously a juggernaut and one of my favorite primetime cartoons ever. I am one of the few people that would say this, but I am a big Mac Graining fan, and I put Futurama above the Simpsons.

I'm sorry, I just say, there we go. There's so much. I've watched many Simpsons episodes that are phenomenal. The cast is incredible, the writing and sane. I can think of several Futurama episodes that I can't watch because I will ball. Like like every time Luck of the Fry Irish or fries Dog, which is the fries Dog episode comes around, I'm like, and I can't do it again. I can't, I can't do it again. It's this at Christie. Have you seen this episode? I feel like I haven't. I've

cried once or twice with Futurama, but I can't. I can't remember these ones. What was one? Yeah? Really, I gotta watch them. Five finds his dog has been petrified back in the day, and he's carrying around the petrified dog and and and Professor Farnsworth essentially says, you know, Fry, we can bring it back. At my that's my awesome, professor. That's pretty well, it's really not, which is why I've never been on. But they're cutting back to the dog

living his life, and it's from the dog's perspective. But so, yeah, I remember this. Yeah, I'm not gonna he he had this whole long life without me. That's not fair. I'm not going to bring him back. But when they show him back, the dogs just sitting there waiting for Fry for years until he dies. He's in front of the damn pizza parts. Oh my god. Yes, why are you doing this to me? I listen with Futurama. Okay, I

know I like a show. If I would buy, if I would actually out of pocket try to locate or even do like some sort of an eBay or something, um sell, if I would buy a cell from something, then I know that I that I'm a huge fan of that. Futurama is one of those that I would absolutely it is unfreaking real. There's so much heart in the show that should be well, the absurdity is there and it's beautifully done, but the heart is ridiculous. So

you're you're doing more right. We're a lot, it's been announced. You're a lot to talk about. I did not know. My gosh, the zombie of animation is back again. Just keeps coming back and coming because because fans of this show are die hard fans of this show. So I mean, it's also the joy of animation is it can always come back. Nobody's aging. It can always come back. So have you got you guys? I mean, I don't know how much of it you're allowed to talk about if

you guys started recording. Yes, yes, we're you know, we're all. Everything's official. We're all back. We're all back in the studio, and it's so much fun I mean, it's funny because I wonder. I don't think they did it on purpose, but had they from a business standpoint, thought it through. It's like, hmm. Animation fans are deep and heavy into an engagement, and science fiction fans are deep and heavy. Let's marry them, yeah, you know, and then give the

Simpsons you know, level of love to them. But the thing that that I love most about Futurama is what you're talking about. There's that heart to it. But then there's also just like the brilliance. I mean, a show where they create its own alien language and every like four meola you see on a board in the background

is an actual mathematical formula. Yeah, that show makes you feel like every time there's one of those you know, unrequited love episodes where Fries trying in Leland and something comes between them, it always just like, I, well up, you know, I feel the same way. I mean again, I could gush about this the whole time where he where he gives he finally learns how to play the Hall of Fauns and the Devil takes his ears in the hands, and it's an entire musical episode. That's the thing.

Is everybody on that cast, aside from being terrible actors, it's not a single good actor on the entire It is one of the greatest casts ever put together. But aren't all of you singers? Um? Well, I mean actually, essentially we can all sing. But you've got Katie Segal and Billy West who are you know? Right? Wait, wait, Johnny DiMaggio is a pretty slouch singing either, you know. Actually, I mean everybody on the show can, Maurice Tress you know there, Yeah, everybody's hotels. Now do you do you

all record together? Do you record separately? We always have this conversation about which is better. We all know it's better to record with a bunch of other people, but we don't know, especially pandemic wise. Now, what's going on? So you guys all recording together? Actually, yes, I mean they're still it's they're putting everybody into a different room at the at the studio, you know, so like you're

in this little booth, you're in that little booth. Well, the studio is happy, exactly what we need to to hear everybody in real time, you know, it's funny because you were talking Grissy about the fact that you guys never got to work with anybody, And I feel like back then was the beginning of what is now the norm where nobody really does records anymore. But it's for me. It's started back with those Disney shows with you guys and Phineas and ferb. You know, it's like these great shows,

but I've never met any of the other people on them. Yeah, not anymore. So we so animation for the folks out there, it happens very very quickly. So you record three days later, you've got an episode and it is on Hulu about a day and a half after that. And of course, joking with with Phil announcing, some come and say, well, this is what I deal with. He's too funny for his own good. My favorite is telling her that that being gullible was actually an inherited trait. She went, really,

um um no, it's it's forever. So as as as excited as we are when we hear like, hey, they're recording more fu dramas, we know you're a year and a half, two years before you get to see anything. Well, it's funny because you know when on interviews or conventions or something, people say, so, what are you working on? When they asked that, I go in my head and go they don't really want to know what I'm working on now. They want to know what I was working on a year ago that they see now. Yeah, which

is which is true. So, um, that being said, what are you working on now? Well, actually, I've found a way around the time problem with animation, because, especially when you get to be my age, you work on something a year ago and then you don't remember what you did. It actually comes on. Wait am I in this? But I have. I have found a weird little side biz.

I've been doing voice voiceover jobs on live action shows because the technology has gotten to a level now where TV shows have c G characters or you know, um, like there's the show on the CW, The Flash, which has so many characters that are either completely c G I or they have full face masks. Like my friend Tony Todd, you did an entire season as Professor Zoom and it was all in post. It was all him

recording in a booth. My friend David Sobolov did Flash Yeah, David Day's Garde Yeah, And I played a villain on that who was rag doll whose face was a doll mask. So there's this amazing actor on set who's contorting himself and then like I come in and like take half the credit for his character. So is that what you do? Do you? So then they've shot it, you go in and you record it like you you you essentially voice match like you would, uh, you know, anime or something

like that. You're not on set while they're doing this, right exactly, Yeah, you're doing it later. Although it's funny because on the Flash didn't even have to match lips because the masket mo yeah. Right. But on the Book of Boba Fette, I did a couple of characters and they all had moving mouths. I was like, oh, this is hard. Oh that's so cool though, So yeah, now it's it's so weird. So now voice over actors and

I don't even say voice over actor. You're an actor, but you're an actor who's huge in the voice over world. You now get to write do voice over in live action stuff, which is kind of really cool. We're all crossing. It's everything's crossing. It's everything because of the technology is blurring the lines between everything, and there's so much to be a fan for these days, like whatever you want, whatever niche you you want, it's it's it's represented in something,

and nowadays you can find it. You know. It's funny you were talking about wanting to learn about you know, X Men or whatever, and Pat and Oswald has a bit about, you know, in the old days, being a geek required work. You have somebody mail you a video tape from Japan. There's no algorithm telling you everything you need to know. Where you can just in two minutes know everything ever about the X Men. That's true. You

gott you don't work being a nerd anymore. That's so true. Well, we are going to bring in our our special guests. John is coming on us here. Guys, John, how are you good? It's so nice to see everybody and meet Christie and Meat Will not Will, but Phil Johanna has met Will Ferdel have a picture? Where did you guys meet? We met on set of Girl Meets World. Amazing. Okay, so we're playing a game called Across the Garden where me and Will play little mice in the garden. Um

we're brother and sister mice. And then we have this amazing character that Phil just created called what was his name? Was a hummingbird name from how okay? So Johnnah, what do you want to be in the garden while we're walking past you? Um? I think I'll be a bunny, just like a really cute funny I love that perfect. I don't know if I have a name. Well, that could be part of your character is that you're trying to find your name. That's great, that's a great idea.

I don't have a name. Where you're looking for your name? Got it all right? Here we go and we're crossing the garden. Christie, take it away. Oh gosh, my feet hurt so annoying. I feel just like a like a mouse on a wheel, and it's just like we can't get to where we need to go. Yeah, we're not

in a wheel though, because we'll scare me. But um, we are just kind of walking through the garden and like that bunny rabbit like she's hopping so fast, bunny, bunny rabbit, Hello, Hello, Hello, Yes it is me, Hi bunny, Like, could you like teach us how to hop or something like? We need to go really fast? I don't want to hop. Oh I wish I could, but I can't hop because I don't know my name. I don't really see what one thing has to do with another. But that's a

whole different story. Can we just call you, I don't know, like Copper the bunny, Hopper, Bunny, honey hop. Queen snaps, we're going to call you bunny hop. She just that's her uncle's I can't have the same name because my uncle. Hey, sorry, guys, I was in sort of a bad mood before, but now I am full of that day. Do you happen to know, like I don't know, like a good name for this bunny? She needs to know her name. I'm gonna call you Ears. Oh that's a good name. It's perfect.

Here's the things closest to me. Oh sorry, Howard, listen, buddy, I just need your help, Like my boyfriend the rat is at the mall and we really need to get there, like super So you're headed to a mom go around that tree and you'll be right there. Okay, Bunny. Can we hop on you and you could just like hop us to the trees? How for I thought, alright, ears, topping scares me. Hey make sure they tip? Oh yes, Howard is not as helpful as I had hoped. He

would be, but he's very handsome. Nobody's helpful. As you come on, Ricky, hop on the rabbit. Let's go, o is it okay? I by just flying circles around you while you go, oh no, no, we're good. You just yeah. I hope he's going to do it anyway. All right, let's go come on ears Hop Hop we go. You're happy with the name ears? It seems like maybe we just kind of threw that at you and you're like accepting or whatever. Yes, I think it's perfectly in capsulate

my body. Well, off to the tree we go. Then seen. Okay, good, Yes, see that was cool. We talk a lot about being in the same room with each other, so that was fun. This is gonna be a phenomenal cartoon. I'm telling you, this is wonderful. I have so much background. I hope you had a good time. Did you have any questions for for us or Phil? Yeah? Honestly, Phil, I'm just a big fan of your work. Um, I know you were Boldy and Jimmy Neutron and slap slap, slap, clap

clap clap lives in my head. A look at is the joy song? Maybe we could do it together for t talk you book. It is so good. He would just go slap slap, slap, slap, slap, slap, clap, clap, Yes, amazing. Thank you Phil, Thank you, Johonna, thank you. It was good seeing you again. Johnna. I think last time I saw you had very short hair, didn't you. Yes, I did, Yes, Quarantine, It's wonderful to speak to you again, you too, and good luck with everything. We'll talk again soon. Yes, thank you,

bye everybody. Bye. So there we go. Phil. First of all, it's always nice when it's not just the two of us gushing over you, but when we get a random fan to come over and just start throwing your lines back at you from some of the because this is, again, folks, is what's going on out there, and when you deal

with people like Phil Lamar. Where we've sat here and we've talked for well over an hour now, it'll be cut down in an hour, I'm sure, but well over an hour now, and we still didn't get into three quarters of his resume coming in talking about Jimmy Neutron again. We still haven't talked Dark Sider's final fantasy, Dead Island, Kingdom Hearts Metal Gear Jackson Den Hearts to Oh yeah, we all were. I just yeah, you were in Hearts? Are you will? I was Cipher in Kingdom Hearts too. Yeah,

I had to. I had to do a voice match Kevin Klein, which was not easy. Like you do like you do on a Wednesday, Well, yeah, I do. I do a lot of matching, although the oscars have put a dent in some of my voice matching because who do your voice match? Over the years, I have voice matched both Will Smith and Chris Rock Well that's I'm like, oh, I just lost at least one paycheck for one. Know.

The joy is you could do the slap, getting the slap and then the the effect keep my wife's very amount to mow and there's the TikTok no um that would be. So it's funny that you say, now very quickly before we wrap up, we will. But when you're in the voice over world and you do voice matching, nobody calls them impressions because they're not You're not doing an impression of a of another actor. You're voice matching them. You're not sitting there and doing it for a comedy

bid or something like that. You are just voice matching. So if somebody came up to you and said, who do you voice match better than anybody else? If I shut my eyes and I hear the actor, who would you say it was? Um? I think my Chris Rock is probably because that was pretty good. Because look, man, the thing about it is every man's got to make a decision, commitment. Well, I'm not going on to that, but the thing about it is you do commented for a reason, and that reason is to get slapped in

the face. Well, I can't think of a better way to wrap it up than right there. I love you, Phil Lamar, Thank you for gracing us with your iconic presence. I can't wait to see you in person to give you a big hug and yeah, and congratulations you guys on everything you're building here, I mean with this show and Christie with all of your stuff. It's amazing. I mean, thank you. Uses of a career twice the length of yours. I'm just trying to help, trying to catch up with

to doing anything, do anything. He could do anything. Seriously, I'm telling you, it's nuts. Where where can people Now We've talked about this, but where can people find you if they want to come see what? What? What projects you want to yell out that aren't going to take three years for us to see? And uh and what socials can people come and can follow you on? Well? On the socials, UM, I'm at Phil Lamar. That's two

ls in the middle, two hours on the end. Um on Twitter and Instagram, and there's where I post, you know, appearances at conventions because I'm finally going back to in person cons and UM. And then for people in southern California, I've been doing an improv show monthly called The Black Version, and we've been doing the show at the Groundlings. It's

h it's an all black cast. We take a suggestion from the audience of a classic or iconic movie and then we improvised the quote unquote black version of that movie. To take the black version of Jaws, which was Catfish we did. We did the black version of My Fair Lady, which was she I Oh no No. Phil is the audience mostly white people trying not to laugh and feeling shameful about themselves that they're all canceled at the door on the way out there just giving the tickets. It's

not validation when they go get their cards, it's canceled. Cards, they're like your car has been It's funny. The premise of the show plays on stereotypes. So at the beginning, when we first started, it was hilarious because you could see folks in the audience. We would do something on stage and they would stop and look at a black person in the audience. Is that okay? The laughing? Yeah, the white were it's white permission. You need to look over to make sure that it's okay to laugh black

guys laughing that. I can laugh that now, I can laugh. Now When is this? Because I am certainly coming, so I want to know when this is happening. Usually the last Monday of every month at the Groundlings Theater, although this month we actually won't be at the Groundlings because we're doing the show as part of the Netflix is a Joke Comedy Festival. That's amazing. Yeah, so that that's huge. That's gonna be fun and yeah, people can find out

about that at the Black Version dot com. And it's it's just we've been doing it for going on ten years now and it's just some of the most amazing improvisers and the most fun you can have it if you can't wait, Oh, I can't wait. I can't start thinking of suggestions. I want to yell out louder than anybody else. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you guys so much for having me the show is absolute privilege. Thank you. This is the coolest thing

in the world. To meet all these well, to to to get have everybody else meet the people that we've known and how to get a chance to work with is just the coolest thing in the world. And honestly feel because we haven't scratched your career, if we happen to be at a con together, maybe we could do a live version with you, because we're looking to do more like live. We're gonna be doing these live at some conventions, so it could be really fun to actually

sit next to you and chat. Please come back, because again Christie's right, we've barely touched the surfaces. There's a part two in the here I know, and part three and part four and by that point we'll be up to which will be great. I'm there, let's do it. So thank you so much. Everybody, go follow uh and like everything that Phil does, because man, you are going to be digging into quite the career. It is insane.

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