Deadly lifestyle of a bikie: Brent Simpson Pt.2

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Welcome back to the Clink. This is part two of my story with Gary Jubulant, and I think you're really going to enjoy this second part.

Gary just ad for a sec when we had the and the cameras turned off, didn't we agree? It was the Clink and I catch killers.

Well, I got you on the first episode. Well I tried to pull it on the second.

Yeah, yeah, nah, nah, You're not going to sleep. Yeah, I learned, Gary jubilant. Okay, welcome back to part two of The Clink and I Catch Killers episode. I was ambushed in part one, but all jokes aside, I think we've got some worthwhile stuff to talk about.

Yeah, look, we really do. And look, I'm not going to apologize, as you haven't for anything stuff apologize, you know, like I swear by it. And I feel that these are the conversations that we need to have, and we have a platform to have this ability to have these conversations in a respectful manner, but a very direct and

It seems like an angry place at the moment, doesn't it. It just has this feel, this vibe.

It really does, and I think that it's it's scary as a father and both of us are of young, young persons. You know what, what does the world hold for them? You know, we're trying to keep our children. I wouldn't say protected as in knowledgeably protected, but definitely protected from things that could drag them into certain spaces.

Well, you want like my thing when I was in the cops, like I wanted to make a difference in crime.

I don't want to hear you talk about the cops anymore. Like, let's move forward.

But well the cops, all right, all you bikis too.

Lets it was a criminal before I was a biking Okay.

But what I'm saying, I still want to make a difference and what I've learned.

So Gary Jubilan wants to make a difference. I want to.

I want to make a difference in the world the crime. I've still got passion, I've still got anger. I still want to channel it, channel it somewhere. But while I've worked out, these people have been making a bigger difference in the world of crime than I ever did. With guns and the handcuffs. These are the people that we're taught restorative justice. We talk about reducing recidivism, putting young kids, pointing them in the right direction. Imagine your life, Brent.

And I've always said that. I even say it to my children. You know what is your excuse? You have, you know, parents that love you, a roof of your head, clothes on the back, You've got food on the table, You've got a warm bed to sleep in. You're very, very I guess, loved within your peers. You've got support within your sporting groups. All these wonderful things that are there for everybody. What is your excuse to not putting

There is none, There is none but one life can go off track and your circumstances. Again, I keep coming back to it because it just blows me away that you've got to this point and you've given me some cutos full cu thos to you what you're doing with your life now, Like I know what you're doing, and you're trying to make a difference, and you are actually making a difference with the messaging that's coming out from the clink, because the one thing that comes across in

I want to give credit to everybody out there that has experienced you know, and I'm a big believer in lived experience is very very wealthy in knowledge, and I feel that there's a lot of us out there. And I say us as in a broader spectrum of persons who have walked the other side of life or whatever you want to call it. I don't like to label us as all criminals. Criminality is a part of my past.

I think where I'm in a fortunate position. I honestly believe I'm in a fortunate position because people are not going to look at me at there's a bleeding hard or a do good if I'm saying, well, you know, maybe we could do something differently that they not looking at me as just someone that's just been sold the dummy and oh yeah, let's go soft on crime and the world will be a beautiful place. It's not that way. You made the point of lived experience. I cannot stress

And so much respectful. I was with him at Mount Penning.

Yeah, the top bloke and he's doing he's doing some work in the juvenile justice space and at schools and he was a top world rated boxer, thought for world titles.

Nator Hamden is just a genuinely beautiful man who has a set of hands that could put anybody. He yea man. My fondest memories of him as watching him take it to a bully who was a man seekers back then twenty one and still be in the boys' homes, you know. And you know you said these older blokes standing over the younger blockers. Nate ha never copped anybody standing over anyone.

I just so impressed. And the way you've described him is when the kids takes boxing gear in there, I'll do a bit of training, break it down, and they look up to him and respect. And he's got all these words of words of wisdom based on his own life experience. And he managed to get through and not many do through that juvenile justice system, but not go back into in the prison as an adult. And so there's something therefore before him.

Know, he was well known street cred wise. I don't be fooled that the fact that he wasn't lined up to do a big whack in jail. Yeah, he was going there one hundred percent. He was going to be another statistic. It didn't happen that way. You know, he was blessed and God put him on a beautiful path that allowed him to use his talents which were he gifted hands to be able to better his life. And now, what a beautiful family, what a great fathering you know what an inspiration to many.

All these people like that. People are from drug addictions, and I know you've had a few on the clinkers, I have on eye catch killers. The ones that have gone down that path understand what it takes to break the addiction, and they've set up these retreats and different things. Yes, why don't we buy into it? I don't know if the government support them. I know that quite often they struggle for money. I know people like Nata are looking for opportunities to make a living now making good passing

I think I think so too, and look to be honest with the gary. I had the honor of standing up some years ago now in front of nearly five hundred. Now you're going to hit me out there, I know because I'm going to say it wrong. Cleinetians. Is that how it's pronounced? Coordnicians, clinicians whatever. A bunch of fucking professional people that went to university.

And got.

To say that they know what life's all about. Now, hang on, let me take a backwards step there, because I don't want to offend anybody, and I mean this sincerely. We are definitely in need of some wonderful people out there in that space. But it was a national suicide prevention conference that was held here in Brisbane and I was invited to stand up and speak on behalf of lived experience. Now I was just just a kid from the streets, you know what I mean, like the Western

I think it comes into all aspects of life, and that if you surround yourself with good people, people that understand, like it is not my fothe a, but I've got friends that are good at it them I'll learn stuff from them and I might give them something. Surrounding yourself with good people. But yeah, life, life journey. I'm a big one, and I think society and maybe we're delving in too deep. And though I'm really cares well, I think that I'll say it anyway that you've got to work at things.

Life.

Life is going to give your setbacks. Life is going to kick your life is going to do all sorts of things. But you you've got to pay your dues and get in there and work and the reward will come. It might be instant, but it will come down down the track.

I think it builds resilience, and I think that word is very powerful and each of us have to understand what resilience is. Once again, I refer back to my children. You know I've gone through and my family have gone through a really tough last four or five years. You know, there's been a lot in the background that has gone

And it's easy as a parent to spoil a child and shield them from all the knocks and bruises that come with growing up. But you've got to You've got to with control, let them out there a little bit, get their grazes come back, heal them up, and that's where that resilience builds up.

I think so, And I think you know, like obviously you know your children seeing what their dad has gone through as well. You know, like, man, you've had as far along concern, Yeah, okay, you had a great career, but you've also had a real shit ending to something you gave your heart and soul to and obviously sacrificed and lost a lot of your life, yea too.

To be in the best you can be it And and part of part of what hurt me because you want to protect those that you love. And I love my kids obviously, and they were taking on my pain. I didn't want them to take on my pain, but it was such in your face. So that, yeah, that I resented, resented people that put me through that, not because what I was suffering, but how it impacted impacted on my kids. But yeah, again you get rewarded what you put into it. And my kids didn't have the

So but that too, that come down obviously, and I mean, I'm only just I'm guessing I can use that word. I'm guessing though that would have come down to your your choice of employment, which would have then and then created a version of you. Sometimes it wouldn't have been the best version of you, it would have been. So I guess involved and just committed to wanting to see

One thing that a good thing that came from the separation. I think that the life that I had when I I was with my wife, first wife, with mother of my children, that I had the opportunity I could go away, I could throw myself in the work, so I'd come back and I'd be the weekend dad or whatever. But I wasn't packing their lunches at school and in their school uniforms, planning my daughter's hair. When we separated. When I'm looking after the children for a week, I had

It's funny that someone sort of said to me just recently, you know when you're going to sort of catch up and come and have a feed in a beer, and I said, I'm not. I said wow. I said, well, at the moment, I'm just man. My sons and I need to be present twenty four to seven. If something goes wrong, exactly what you just said. If something there's an emergency, or you know, whatever it might be, it's on me. There's no family, there's no turn to anyone else.

And I like, my kids are adults now. And what I what I can say is Okay, we've had the separation and the dramas that come come with that, but the work that I put in the stay connected. And I see this a lot in the in the cops, there's a lot of divorces or the divorces across across the range.

Now you should say.

Yeah, I can only imagine, but I see guys that there was one though I won't won't say his name, but he was working in the city. He'd moved to the city, but his son was living up at Newcastle. So you're looking at our and a half two hour two hour drive. Realistically, he would coach the football team. He would drive up there and like four hours behind

You know what I just think I've gotten here, Garrett, right now is the value of our conversation in reference to being fathers. Yeah, like here we are really to talk about, you know, I scares giving people better ways and better choices in life through not choosing the paths

Well, it's funny how we fell there. It fell into this spot because it wasn't where we were going.

But not at all.

I've had opportunity to reflect on where my life is now, with all the things that have changed, and when it comes all said and done, the excitement of what I've had in the Cops, the exciting stuff I'm doing post the Cops, when it's all said and done, it's a family that really Yeah, that's the thing that rocks my boat. When it's all said and done. I could lose all that and if I still had the relationships. The personal relationships are fans.

Life's good. For anybody out there that's doubting the love of your child, don't because it's the most purest love that you'll ever have. You'll have marriage, breakups, you'll have partners maybe come and go. And if you're blessed to be of that small percentage that's able to be in love and have that one love for the rest of your life and raise your family, then that's amazing. And I feel that that is just a really beautiful gift. Embrace that. But for majority, and I feel that here

Tsuesh there you got the tissues.

That was another thing. There was props put there for the reason. So you know what, Gary, I'm just going to flip this on its head and say this was never the path that we're going to end up. But how's the meaning and the purpose right now? And the real like the reality of real of two fathers. Forget about where we've come from, the paths we've walked, but what we've learned and how we've been able to give that back to our children and become better men because of the love of our children.

We didn't thought think we'd be talking down this path.

Well, no, I wasn't going personal with you, but it's ended up. Well I've had no we were going personal, was very personal to start. Well, yeah, this is a different person.

I've had a lot of time to reflect on things and my life and the chaos that was my life, and my chaos would have partly insignificance to what it would be in the outlaw motorcycle gangs, but the chaos of your life and when it's all said and done, the highs and lows and very similar, what's what's left? You got your kids and someone that loves you or people that love you. They're the important thing and it's unconditional.

You never need to question it like you have relationships, and you do you question at times is this really, you know, is it going to last? Am I happy?

Well, that's true and sadly, I've been through quite a few relationships, but there's one consistency is my kids are always there.

And I think that if our listeners can take something from this podcast of ours, is that just give your children every possible opportunity that you can to your best means, and that doesn't mean monetary. Just give them your heart, give them your time, give them your patience. And I'm I've got to slap myself in the face here and take some of my own advice because I'm at times the worst person in the world. I find it very

Well yeah, yeah, you've got to hang in there. You really have got to hang in there, and it's worthwhile. The rewards come, the reward for the effort to put in and sometimes yeah, you don't need it, you don't want it, but I know you've got to do it and that comes. The rewards come at the end. Another thing that's happened here, Brent, and I think this is an important thing, and I've seen it on your podcast and I feel it on my podcast sitting down speaking

I've got a lot of faults, mate, and I try to still work on them every day. You know, like I'm far from perfect, and if I can better myself one percent better every day, then I know I'm doing a good job. And trust me, these days, I wake up, look in the mirror and go, you're not winning today. There's something there's something here that's not allowing me to

I think you should be proud of yourself. Where how you've turned your life around. Because if I look the riding on the wall, it wasn't going to be the end.

It wasn't going to be pretty nah. And to be honest with you, I was prepared to have already been dead ten times over. But that was where my life was heading. You know, there was nothing, nothing good that was coming of my life. You know, the hurdles are still there, but I'm going over them, and I'm going over them in strides that are very strong, and I believe that, you know, I will come out the other

Can I say another thing too, And I'm seeing the battles you're going through physically with injuries and the way you keep yourself fit. And we have talked about this that it keeps us sane. The mental training, you know, if you're looking if yeah, not that we've got great wisdom look at this to burn out X bikey x cop, but the importance of physical training that keeps me sane.

I think it's a very important tool for the toolbox and I feel that, you know, if you actually take that step, just create that hour. Everyone says I haven't got time. Bullshit. I get up at four o'clock in the morning, you know what I mean. So I make that time between four and five is my time. Whatever I can get in that hour is a worthy hour, and I make the best of it and it sets me up for the day. You know. I'm sure you've got tools in your box that are very relative as well.

I love those early morning starts. People say I'm not a morning person. It is the best time. I feel like I've got the head start on everyone else in the mind.

I like to say, rise with the sun.

Yeah yeah, get up there and get into it. And you've already doesn't matter what happens for the rest of the day, because you've done some stuff for yourself, done your training and ready to go.

Well, there you have it, guys, Gary jubilant, Thank you very much for the I Catch Killers, Clink hot Cross.

Finally we've got eye catch killers. I've given them the credit where the credits due. I got you up here.

I milked you in and look, you know, I had to be done. I feel that it needed to be done, and I'm glad we got to break the ice. Yeah. I don't look at you as a cop or ex cop or anything like. I look at you as, you know, another bloke doing his best. And you know, I really have to say to have experienced and gone through some of the things that you've done and the great things that you've achieved to help people, you know, especially in the space of young young children and stuff like that

Look for you saying that it's humble, then I need to just put out there too. There's a lot of people that put in a lot of a lot of hard work, and not just in the Cops. I've said it since I've left the Cops. People are doing some shit loader heavy lifting that don't get the recognition because of the nature of my work. I was getting a lot of recognition. But I appreciate, appreciate what you're saying. But yeah, as you say, you're not perfect, No mean

A charity boxing shit, Okay, what we're doing?

What's the agreed way?

I ain't dropping another twenty kilos, That's all I know. And on that note, thank you very much, Gary Jubulant, and to everybody out there, I hope that you've enjoyed these couple of episodes. It is something that I really feel have a lot of value. And for everybody out there that's doing your best, just continue to be the best you can be and know that that love from your children is an unconditional love and never question it.

All Right, you tried to steal the ending. Also, i'd like to say for my Catch Killers, not just the Clink, I enjoyed the chat too. So whichever platform you're listening to the I Catch Killers Slash Clink or Clink Slash by Catch Killers podcast, hope you enjoy it like we've been enjoyed the chat. Well, I know I probably shouldn't like Brent. Well, I don't know I shouldn't like him.