S1E4: Phenom of Philly

over the ostle. I want to totally clear it. It was a crisp late afternoon in the fall of and the men who had coached Kobe Bryant during his senior year at Lower Merion High School back in had come together for a little reunion of sorts. There was pizza, there was good beer, some juicy I p a s. And there were a lot of memories and there was a lot of reminiscent I would say that it was the most incredible coaching staff ever, only because we were young.

We were relatively new at like high level stuff like this, and it was just five. There were four coaches in me. I had arranged this meeting so they could jog each other's memories and share some anecdotes about Kobe's high school career, especially his senior year. All of us were sitting around a table on Greg Downer's back of coach. Greg is still the head boys basketball coach at Lower Mery. He was hired in nineteen ninety and has been there ever since.

When he was just thirty three years old, he created a staff of assistance really for the specific purpose of coaching Kobe Bryant. Downer knew what he had in Cope and he knew what kind of attention Kobe would draw from opponents, from the media, from everywhere. So he did a really smart, really innovative thing. He brought on four assistance and each coach would have his own specialized role. Mike Egan, who had been a college coach in Delaware,

was already on board as Lower Marion's defensive coordinator. Downer's older brother, Drew, had a way of talking to people, even teenagers, that put them at ease, so he would be the team's amateur sports psychologist. Jimmy Kaiserman was twenty six at the time, had played Division one ball at Miami University and at Writer, and had played professionally in Israel.

He was quick, he was tough, he could dump, and he saw a news report about Kobe one night and called up Greg down, volunteering to help in any way he could. He became Kobe's foil, guarding and harassing him every day at practice. Jeremy Treatment would be the team's media relations coordinating. He'd take care of all the interview requests, the reporters, the outside noise, and Greg would oversee the whole operation. All this basically because of one seventeen year

old kid, because of Kobe. Now twenty five years later, they were back together again. Kaiserman couldn't make it to the reunion, but the other four could. Oh almost forgot there was one other person there too, bring down Greg's daughters, who was seven years old at the time. You know, I think I'd like to think I don't really have an ego, And I mean I used to await awake at night wondering if we were gonna score baskets, you know, literally when we first started, and you know, we were

giving up too many points. And this pre rope is this with her without Kobe. Beforehand, I was gonna say, if you were laying awake at night wonder if you're gonna score when you coach, you had problem before he definitely has a problem. Before before Kobe, when you first got the job. Yeah, yeah, I want to call me, I'm Mike Sealskip and from Diversion podceads, this is I am Kobe. I love why see why create myself? Create yourself? Stay nice night, go on, create yourself. You gotta learn

from the great mass. Do we gain line selling? That's getting time? Episode four, Phenom of Philly. Before Kobe, the Lower Marian Aces didn't have much of a basketball program. Before Kobe, their uniforms were often mismatched. A kid would be wearing a tank top number forty five on the back,

but his short said number twenty one. Before Kobe, the Aces lost the game fifty four to thirteen, and because they had so few players to begin with, and so many of those players had fouled out, they finished the game with just four on the floor. They were a team that nobody paid much attention to, even in the

halls of the high school itself. Lower Merion Township, generally speaking, is a pretty posh area, and the most popular sports at the school in the late nineteen eighties were the ones you'd expect to be popular at that kind of school. Soccer lacrosse foot Then in Greg Downer Kid, and the basketball team got a little better. Then Kobe Bryant came in, and by the start of his senior year, his coaches knew they had the best high school basketball player in

America on their team. They just had to figure out how to make the most offense. The Kaiserman thing was cool. I remember when Greg called me, He's like, I got this guy and the coach with us he played at Miami. I was like, how did you get that guy? I mean, that's that's ingenious. It really is, because we knew there's no one on our team that can cover Kobe. The ball is gonna be in Kobe's hands. We're not gonna

overthink it. We're not gonna put in the Princeton offense. Right, You're gonna have to deal with this kid all night. The ball is gonna be his hand. We're gonna set up our defense, pressure and like, and we're not gonna overthink it. We're gonna let him play. We may not have real ashes at the time, but you know, we did get along and maybe the role definition was good. But I think there was maybe a part of us who was thinking, like, uh, this is like a one

shot deal. Let's not screw it up, you know, let's not screw it up with like Fickeren or you know, like you're you're gonna get one crack at Kobe Bryant. I don't think any of us expected another player quite like him. Once the Bryant family moved back to the United States, it didn't take long for Greg Downer to hear the rumors about this amazing eighth grade basketball player

at balotkin Wood Middle School. But Downer also knew that Dr George Smith, Kobe's coach at Ballot ran a tight ship and didn't let any of his players, no matter how good they were, show off their individual talents. So Downer went to a Ballot practice to check out Kobe for himself to get a sense of how good this kid really was. What he saw blew him away. Well, I couldn't believe that somebody at the tender age of

thirteen was was that advance with their skills. Um invited him to a practice with my current varsity and you know, he was more than point in his own and at six ft two hundred fourth pals, I knew that he was gonna get dumb but bigger. But his foundation at such a young age was was really solid. Good shooter could pass her good intellect, and my mind started racing pretty quickly. Asked to uh, what do you give me

down the road? And my initial depression was certainly that I very have something very special and and your need on my hands. If Kobe had been a high school phenom these days, he probably would have transferred to a well known basketball school like Mont Verde Academy or i AMG Academy in Florida, a place that produces top notch athletes, like a factory producers sports cars. Back in the early

nine nineties, though, things were a little different. Downer was more worried that a private school in the Philadelphia area might recruit Code, and a few of them did, so he took a big step toward making sure Kobe wanted to stay at Lower Merryan Downer knew that Joe Bryant was coaching girls basketball at a Cuba Hebrew academy, and the two of them had hit it off when they met, so Downer hired Joe to be Lower Marian's junior varsity

boys coach. It was a pretty smart idea. Joe was a former NBA player and he had some coaching experience, and really was Kobe going to transfer away from the school where his dad coached. I think there was the salesmanship to keep him at Lower Marian, to convince the parents that that I was the right guy with a job and that that public educ issue could could accomplish

what Kobe needed. Um you know, there there definitely was a paranoia that he would drift off to one of the Catholic schools where somebody would swerve Ben and try to take him. The funny part is Downer never really had to worry about that. Kobe took kind of an old school approach to his early career. He stayed and played for his local hometown high school. His parents could see him play, his friends could see him play, his community could see him play and rally around him and

the team. I always like that aspect of him and his career. It showed loyalty. Here he is talking to Jeremy treatment about it. I knew that a man was the right properly grade. I really know Clue dying that road right. Simber fact that he accepted me a great coming to a school to practice with his team and allowed me to stay after Batty and welcome my game.

I knew there was no other places my two sisters with him, So there was never in the truth to that to those works went around, never uh got knew the truth father and my family and coaching the truth where I was going to Gray Contact and a lot by ole Bright schools. But I just wanted to go to home Man because my sisters with him type family. But even in the years after that eleven grade Roman

was calling in uh Piscopal Germantown Academy. They because of my father, and I said, I want your sunny coming to school and be great for him, and saying all this stuff. My father was listening, but at the same time he was always happy at the Man, and you know I wouldn't want to leave. Koby didn't quite have to resurrect the basketball program when he got to Lower Merry. The ass had made the district playoffs the year before

under Downers coaching. It looked like they were getting better and it didn't take for them to see how much talent the new freshman had and how much he liked the flat it. Here's Kobe's teammate from Lower Marrian Guy Stewart, this freshman year. I mean when he came in, you could just you can kind of see he was different. It wasn't your typical freshman that came in. I mean he was you know, six three at this time and

probably waited, you know, and five pounds. But you could just see the way he moved on the court and he understood the game that he was going to be different. Now, at that time, it was just he was going to be a different type of player. You know, he could have just been a great high school player and went on and play college and then that was it. Right. But like you think of you know, his dad being in the NBA, and you know, him being tall and

his sisters were tall. You know, you were like, okay this, you know, he could he could be something. He shot a lot. It was freshman year, um, but you know that was to be expected because we you know, we weren't as good as we we should have been. Oh they weren't good. Period. The Aces went four and twenty in Kobe's freshman season. It seems impossible to go four and twenty when you have Kobe Bryant on your roster.

But as Stewart said, Kobe shot a lot in fact, he shot too much and his teammates resented him for it. There were also a bunch of injuries to key players, including to Kobe. He fractured his kneecap and missed the season's final few weeks. But everything brightened up for him his sophomore year when Jermaine Griffin, who had grown up in Queens, New York, transferred into Lower Marian and joined

the basketball team. The two of them were among the relatively few black students in the school, and they connected immediately over their love of basketball and rap music. Better yet, for the Aces, Griffin was the perfect compliment to Kobe you on the court. He was smart, tough, played tenacious defense, and didn't need to shoot the ball off to help

the team win games. Lower Marian went sixteen and six in Kobe's sophomore year and reached the second round of the district playoffs, and there was no doubt any longer that Kobe was there to stay. It was like Jamaine with the Savior, because the hen will come to Lower Marian at the right time, right man, which guy Coba he came into the right time, right round. It's just a great seven because it's someone that I can be saying the basketball so what I'm comfortable with? All right?

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of Kobe Book dot Com. Thanks So. Kobe was entrenched at Lower Merio, but Joe spent just one year as the j V coach before he got a better opportunity at a familiar place, his alma mater LaSalle University. The head coach there, Speedy Morris, needed to fill an opening for an assistant, and one of his friends recommended Joe for the job. The Higher maid Sense LSAL was a small college in the North Philadelphia neighborhood of Only, but it had a strong basketball program for years under Morris.

The LaSalle Explorers had made the n c A Tournament four times in the previous six years. One season they went thirty and two and nearly reached the Sweet six team and LaSalle had a tradition of recruiting and getting the best high school player in or around Philadelphia. Peck Joe had been that player at Bartram High School in the nineteen seventies. But now the program needed a little boost, and maybe Joe could provide. I know all about the

boost that the program needed there. The year that Joe came back to LASA was the same year I started at LaSalle myself as a freshman. Eventually I started covering the team for the student newspaper. I got to know Speedy Morris well, and I met Joe Bryant too, But I didn't know anything about Kobe During his first couple of years at Lower Merion, nobody really did, which is kind of weird when you think about it. I mean, you think it would be a big story, right. It

had all the elements. A once great basketball player was now coaching at his old school in his hometown and his son was a rising star at a local high school. Except it wasn't a big story because at the time, there was really only one person in the entire media market who recognized that it was a story at all. Jeremy Treatment. Here he is talking about a six teen year old Kobe Bryant for a segment on the Inquiry High School Sports show. Kobe Bryant has a maturity not

seen in most sixteen year old superstars. He credits that to the strength of his family, especially his relationship with his father, former La Salan seventy six star Joe Bryant Joe Jelly being Bryant, the popular hometown hero, was a two time At this point, Jeremy was still coaching at a key behabor where he and Joe had met and become friends, but he was also working as a freelance reporter for the biggest newspaper in Pennsylvania and the biggest

media outlet in the entire Delaware Valley. The paper I worked for now the Philadelphia Inquiry. As a reporter, Jeremy covered a bunch of Lower Marian's games during Kobe's freshman and sophomore years, and he wrote a bunch of stories about those games, talking to Kobe and Greg down or after everyone getting to be friends with both of them.

But he couldn't persuade his editors at the Inquirer to let him do what he wanted to do, a big blowout feature all about this rising local basketball phenomenon, Kobe Bryant. Jeremy says they were more interested in focusing on players from the city's public and Catholic leagues, and he couldn't understand why they were missing this obvious story that was staring them in the face. There's two levels of the

frustration there. One was among my friends in general public and believe me when I was telling a dot co. But the second level of frustration was worse. My editor at the time wouldn't give me the opportunity to write about him, and I pitched him in ninth grade, tenth grade, eleventh grade, and by the end of eleventh grade he had come around. But he ended up giving it to another writer, Christma Cadis, and his exact word was, it's Christmas be He's our he's our high school basketball writer.

And I remember it was in a meeting in front of many many people. I said, I've been pitching this for three years. He said, Chris's speed. That was this guy where Jeremy was crushed. This was going to be the first big story ever about a kid. Jeremy knew was going to be huge. In his mind, he was the logical choice to cover Kobe. Nobody on the staff knew him, or Joe or Greg down or better. But Jeremy did catch a break. The editor told him that The Inquirer was starting a TV show devoted entirely to

high school sports. And I was like, oh my god, I've been waiting for this all my life. I'm twenty years old. This is it, and this is like TV on air. Yeah, it's gonna be on Fox or Challenge seventeen or whatever it was on. And they said, well, okay, well you're the guys us to know high schools. Uh, if you have to pitch one story to us, This guy, Sean Docker, he said, do you have to pitch one

story for us, what would it be. I said, well, there's this guy with the three point five with a good because I think school in the country, speaks Italian and Sapanish. His dad playing the NBA, and I believe he's the best player in the country. And he think. The first thing he said was when do we meet him? And I was like, I found my place. How long

is which anything? Grade? Uh? Coach down on myself. We're watching the room day and after game, he just said to me, goes, does anybody realize that the next uncle Jordan is in r GM. Uh. He was in the gym and school out in the morning as the high school kid. Uh. He was the last one to leave. He stayed extra to shoot like five hunter jump shots. Uh. He was very focus. We had a couple of practices that were canceled. He was boy king out. He was

so angry that the practices were canceled. Now Jeremy had an outlet to tell the world what he knew they needed to know. The one big thing that he felt had become his mantle to carry. Kobe Bryant was going to be one of the best basketball players the world had ever seen. And in his junior year at lower Merion. Kobe started to show everyone just that because he spent the entire summer of doing pretty much nothing but playing basketball. He came back to school a little bigger, a little stronger,

a little smarter, his skills more refined. The Aces lost their first game, then won games in a row. Kobe ended up averaging more than thirty one points a game. He had forty points in one game, forty two in another. An opposing coach said, if you hold Kobe to fifteen points, you'll win by thirty. Kobe read that comment and took it as a slight against his teammates. So when it came time to play that school, he spent all night passing the ball to those teammates. He ended up with

fifteen points and seventeen assists, and lower Merryan one. By twenty two, Mike Egan was in his first season as one of Greg Downer's assistants, and he couldn't believe what he was seeing from Kobe. I knew he was good, but you know he's a I guess he's a sixteen year old kid. At that day, he just earned sixteen UM and then every day he would do something in practice and I would look at the other coaches that

would say, can you believe that? I mean, it could be something as simple as, you know, a move he made on the baseline. He had a really strange habit of his junior year. He kept working on this move on the baseline and he kept stepping out of bounds and you know, we blow the whistle. You're out of bounds. What are you doing? And then he started getting closer

and closer. It was just kind of a weird story about him just trying to you know, he knew that the highest level of basketball is about inches and margins and just how close can I get to that edge without going over it? Guys. Stewart was a senior on that team, one of its leaders, but he wasn't the leader, and he kind of knew it. Kobe was the real leader of that team. He was very demanding. He was very furious on the court. He wanted you to play your role and do it great. He pushed you um

every practice. He he never took off a practice. He was always challenging his teammates. You know, we would play these games where you know, we would have to guard him and he would he would The way he played like He didn't care who you were. He didn't care if you were his teammate and practice or not. He was going to go at you because in his mind, he's like, if I can challenge you and and and into guarding me better, you can guard anybody, you know.

If if if I'm pushing everybody to be better, we're all going to be better as a team. And and and that was kind of like his mindset, right, He's gonna push everybody. He's going to push himself because the ultimate goal is to win a championship and to win games. The Aces won a lot of games in Kobe's junior season. They went twenty six and five, They won the Central League title. They made it all the way to the

district championship game. Lower Merion hadn't won a district championship in years, and now here were Kobe and his teammates about to play at DuPont Pavilion on the campus of Villanova University, and the arena was packed and loud, and everybody had forgotten that the team had gone four and twenty just a couple of years early. It was an amazing turnaround. There was just one problem. Lower Marian was about to play the Chester High School Clippers, and Chester

had the best high school basketball program in Pennsylvania. Just the year before, the Clippers had won the state championship, the third in the school's history. They've won five more since. Terry Twoey has covered Chester basketball for forty years for the Delaware County Daily Times. Basketball is everything in the city of Chester. It's it's their protein, that's their six Flyers,

Eagles or whatever. Not that they're not Sixers flyers or Eagles fans, but yeah, they live and die with the Clippers on the basketball For the city of Chester itself could not have been more Unlike Lower Merion Township, of the forty people who lived there were black. It had a history of redlining, blockbusting, and political corruption. Drug markets cropped up in the main teen eighties. By the mid nineteen nineties, Chester had seen a huge drop in population

and prosperity. Searches on to find whoever shot and killed a thirteen year old boy and injured two adults in Chester and two subspects meets Donna under Earl rust right Now and a deadly shooting that was called camera in Chester. Take all the polize in Chester or searching for a gunman after one man is killed and another is hurt in a shooting. Gun fired up to just after six last night, it was the poorest city in Pennsylvania and

the second most dangerous city in America. According to my newspaper, The Philadelphia Inquirer. Between the years two thousand and two thousand fourteen, Chester average fifty three homicides per one hundred thousand people, the highest rate of any city in the country. Basketball was the one unifying institution there. It was the

one thing that made everyone in Chester proud. It's kind two diametrically different areas, and obviously, you know, Chester is a you know, for lack of a better term, you know, the press city Economically, Lower Marian is an affluent suburban community that has a little more you know, finances behind it than Chester. I think the two biggest sports in Chester for a lot of years were basketball and baseball. I'm actink at one time the city of Chester had

produced Major League Baseball players than any other city. But you know, it's it's something that you know, in the playgrounds, it's it's huge. You know, you go down to Memorial Park in Chester and you used to be you know, leads down there in the summertime and pick up games

that were just lacious. Chester has been a state power and at the high school level since the early nineteen early to mid nineteen fifties, and it's just you know, basketball, it's a city game and Chester, you know, being a being a city at one time, a thriving city that had you know, factories and things like that, that just kind of manifested into the sport of choice. The Clippers had at least eight guys maybe more who could start

on any high school team in the state. Lower Marian had Well, Lower Marian had Kobe, and Lower Marian didn't have a chance. The final score was Chester seventy seven, Lower Marian fifty. Here's Aces coach Greg Downer again. What I make of it is we're not ready. Uh you know, we've got to grow some more. We've got much more

work to do. And I think it was some growing pains for us when the Central League compete for the district title, make some noise and states and twenty seven point loss in the district final and maybe that's not even competing for the for the district title, and we got balanced a little bit early versus Hazelton in the in the state quarters, and you know it, it was a progression, And you know, I didn't have the sense that that we could win the whole thing Kobe's junior year,

because I really was just in awe as to how good Chester was. That lost to Chester stun but not as much as the one that ended Lower Merrion season a few days later to Hazelton in the second round of the state playoffs. The game was tied late in regulation. Let's let defensive coordinator Mike Egan set the scene. We had the ball with the tie game under ten seconds left in Kobe. You know, we had what we wanted. We had the ball in Kobe's hand the middle of

the court. Um, he went to the basket and coach his sons dripped Kobe and went down and um, I don't know if he didn't get the shot off, but he didn't make the shot, could have lost the game right there. Instead, they lost in overtime. No district championship, no state championship. It was the final high school game for the team's seniors. The locker room afterward was sad

and asylum as a church. Kobe was the last guy to speak there um, and he started to say something and then he just started to cry and started just kept saying I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, crying, and it was just fascinating look at him because he, um, you know, he sometimes come off as as being an arrogant guy or a cocky guy or um, you know, a lot of easy what he was and he was just a great, great team and he felt, um, you know, as a leader of the team, as the best player

in the team, he should have found a way for us to win that night. No one I was felt that way, obviously. But during that round table with Greg Downer's house last fall, I asked him what the hardest part about coaching Kobe was. We often don't think about star athletes in those terms. We assume that it must be easy to coach them because they're so talented and because everything comes so naturally to them. But that's not

always true. In fact, it's rarely true. Expectations start to increase, people start to pay more attention to you and your team, everything starts to become more important. Greg, his brother, Drew, and Mike Egan batted the question around for a while.

What's the limelight to be an internalized pressure distractions, and you know, I said, like, we're we're one Kobe sprang back away from not winning the Central League, you know, And I think the expectation that sounds like you the the expectation as time went on coming off the ninety five was kind of stay title or bus. But I think we're worried about whether he could handle all the exposure. He always worried about whether he would get caught up in that. Yeah, we could lose his focus or he

never did, but he always worried. I would say, Greg, you really there was a lot of pressure on you, right Gregy, young guys, young coach. He's got this prodigy who's now you know, top five, top three, top player in the country, and you know that that was hard and it was only going to get harder over the following year. For Kobe, for his family, for Greg Downer, for everyone affiliated with the Lower Merian boys basketball program. Think about, here's Kobe Bryant, just as his junior season

is ending. He's emerging as one of the best high school basketball players in the country, maybe the best. His father is coaching at a local Division one college that is desperate to recruit a player of Kobe's caliber to

return it's basketball program to glory. Meanwhile, next year, Kobe's high school team is going to be considered one of the favorites to win a district championship and or a state championship, which means young Kobe Bryant is caught in the middle of a whole mess of expectations and forces and agendas and opinions. If lower Marian doesn't win a state championship, people will say that Kobe is overrated, that he's just a selfish gunner who isn't really that good.

But there are still plenty of people out there who don't believe lower Marian is all that good even with Kobe. There are still plenty of people out there doubting Kobe Bryant, And make no mistake, he hears every single one of them. Remember against the argument when of the teaching in the school, now in the teacher like the Southern teacher gam Mr Collin, Right, this is when I would a junior. We're like to

start the playoffs, and he's come up to me. He's talking to artist trash and you have to be just a lot of testing you, y'all never win a state championship? Do you honestly win state championship? Right? Yes? Right here are you will never win a state championship? Simple fact. Too many people playing out there, many streight teams. I think will never have been right, he said, I'm like, man, come to that. I'm gonna tell you flies. Just watch.

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