Your Parents are not Warm People (S6 E14 “You’ve Been Gilmored”)

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Like west Wing?

There's probably others, but I know West Wing finished and then they just like kind of went away.

They can get specials.

Yeah, they finished every episode of Wes.

Well, we have it. I think we have it more dedicated for.

And we have a plan too. We have a plan of what we're going to do.

There is a method to this anyway. Joined by my intrepid Crewe, Susanne French, Tara sud Amy, Sugarman.

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All right, Season six, episode fourteen, You've Been Gilmourd. This aired on February seventh, two thousand and six. Luke joins Friday Night Dinner with Emily and Richard, and he and Laura I both get Gilmourd. Murray is voted as the new editor of the Yale Daily News, but at the expense of her room with Paris, so she makes a big choice in her relationship with Logan. Plus, Christopher goes to Yale for a tour and gets to know Logan a bit more.

M hm, doesn't it make you want to do? Five four three two? Remember in the open?

So in the open, when everything's all unhinged and they're having issues, then they just kept counting to five four three two.

I thought that was cute.

Yeah, what do you all think? Sorry, Scott, I cut you off. What do you all think of that episode?

What'd you guys think?

I liked it.

I liked it.

The last episode made me a little anxious, but this one kind of made me happy. Like it was just funny. There were more funny parts in this one. I thought I enjoyed it.

Uh yeah, big, big, fun funny great episode.

Yeah, less controversy less yeah, sort of.

It was like a fun watch. Yeah.

Yeah, thus things for us to all fight about more like this is just a good gilmore Yeah. Yeah, solid show, solid show. You know. The dinner table stuff was fantastic. Some of the best.

Yeah, bears and yours.

Yeah, we got two Friday Night dinners in this one.

The revealing of who Luke really is and how they feel about him.

I think they're really coming around on him, though. I think we we'll get to it. They definitely consider him family mm hmmm at this point.

Yeah. Yeah, they're they're putting their best foot forward, aren't they. Yeah. The one thing is reluctantly That.

Threw me, and we'll get to it.

Is all of a sudden, they knew about the kid, they knew about April, and I was like, oh, yeah, how did.

That they That was in the last episode, during the Friday, that Friday night dinner scene with the crazy camera and reveal it, Richard asked Laurel how Luke was doing it. She goes, oh, he has a kid.

Oh my gosh, it was so that scene was so fast.

I missed that.

So presumably they had some other conversation about it after that, but she yeah, that night, that scene was so fast.

How large is your mug? It's pretty large to the massive mug, massive pink.

It's like it's like how big Laura I drinks her coffee.

That is what I call a holiday mug. That's right, true.

So okay, so we have the open dinner that we're kind of talking about, and it was good.

There's not a lot to digest because it was so like the roses are amazing. I love shrimp Luke.

And then we do have the June third sort of issue again because she again says that's the date and she hasn't told them it's postponed yet.

I like how she's like, are we in town? Like yeah, are like, let me cancel all my plans. My daughter's getting married. It's like it's not that soon, Like right, like, where are we in the year January?

It's like the holidays are January. It's like winter.

If I was invited to something six months from now, I'm not going to be like, that's so soon.

I understand for a.

Bride to plant, it may be soon, but like it's.

Soon, so are we are we going to let's discuss larelized cooking techniques? How she just throws stuff on a pant in random She'll get a bag of me oh my gosh, put them on top of whatever that was. Here's what I thought.

That made me want a gag. But also did it seem like it was pizza with tater tots? Yes?

Right now.

And that's what threw me off. I was like, what is just like shoves it in the oven?

Yeah, but like I thought, you know, that's actually I might have to put that in my own repertoire.

I don't hate it together, but the way she's she's baking it, I was.

Like, this of starches for me, kind of like a lot of certain certain brilliance to that. You know, it really just cuts through all the bs and there you go. It would work. I think.

I think if you put the frozen pizzas and then you put the frozen tater tops on.

I think they've both proven that they're both you know, park goat. They lilied any and enjoy it and it doesn't affect them and they never gain weight.

It's that made me really kind of gag though.

The magic of.

TV's it's it's amazing and yes and magical. Oh yeah.

And then they were going to add a turnover. Remember she says like do you want raspberry or apple? Yes?

Yeah? Oh god, I did. I did like the I did like the roryes a Yale swag? Yes, I thought so do. I thought she kind of looked badass, you know, strutting into the living room and that stuff, you know, wearing colors with pride, you know.

And then we sort of get the message that Christopher, they haven't really talked to him, what's going on. And then you know, Loralai really says you should invite him to Yale, like he would really like that mm, which yeah.

Yeah, definitely I agree with her on that.

Yeah, yeah, he's paying for it, like she should reach out.

We get it, like, not like it has to be like a weekly thing, but like let him come see the campus, you.

Know, yeah, totally.

Oh you know what I did?

I want to ask you guys.

They don't toast their pop tarts. Have you guys noticed that they eat him straight out of the box.

Do you do that something sometimes you don't have the time, hence you have pop tarts. It's not something you invest time in preparing.

There was not one episode. I can't even remember which season it was two. Maybe it was in a cold open and they were doing the scene in the kitchen where they were making breakfast and switching out the coffee pots and they toasted. I always laughed because she toasted the pop tart but then just put it like on a paper towel. On her bare hands. Okay, you've ever toasted a pop tart? But they're like seven hundred degrees when they come out of the toaster, and I always thought that was fune.

So when they didn't toast it in this.

Episode, I'm like, Okay, that's that was more realistic.

I'm not a thousand percent sure I've ever had a pop tart?

Really, Oh, come on, you've no.

I'm being real with you, guys. I'm not sure.

It's actually very brave of you to confess this. Yeah, I feel like we support you.

I'll definitely the ogs are good, the new ones.

Yeah, Strawberry, I'll definitely have one at the live show.

You know, I agree, the strawberry pop tart is quite excellent.

Actually, Amy, they have it. They have it in the machine at the iHeart Theater because I was starving one day and I got a pop tart.

So there is at the Life.

There's a vending machine at the iHeart Theater.

Yeah, it's in the back where like staff checks and they have pop charts in it in the vending machine. Wait, he was real desper I was real desperate.

We should move that out to the lobby for there is.

All right, so we get a quick mention of Celaris, which I also thought was a terrible movie, and I'm sure we'll talk about that in up culture. So Paris is like in her Now we go to the paper and Paris is in her bunker, which I thought was a nice name for it, because I kept calling it like a weird cubicle. But to name it a bunker, beautiful, mind totally. And she's heating up her soup in the can. So they've all spoken, meaning Rory and the Yale Paper staff, and Rory has to go tell Paris you're out.

Yep.

She was the wrong person to take that on.

I thought, I mean, I thought she handled it very well.

We just kind of get why she was nominated to do it. No one else wants to talk to Paris.

Yeah, or would she believe them.

If it was anyone else, she would have been like, you know, get out of here and just keep going.

But you knew she was going to be unhinged about it.

Paris, Oh yeah, yeah.

I mean she's so far over the edge at this point that everybody's like just waiting for her to blow. So I think Rory was the logical choice to go drop the bomb.

On her, and I truly love when she comes out and then gives a speech of her resigning.

I'm like, so, actually how.

It would go.

That's so Paris.

And when she says you're going to be a.

Doctor, a surgeon, you're going to be a lawyer, a judge, like I.

Don't know, and then she says good night and good luck. You had to laugh little Edward R. Merrell totally.

I mean okay, so I sort of it was time, right, Like I was happy to get rid of Paris.

At the paper, she's annoying.

Yeah, I like her, but small doses yea.

So help she needs help. She needs to not be in college and she needs to be in therapy. She's a deeply troubled person.

And where's Doyle. We even seen Doyle in a minute?

Well, I mean, wow, yeah, he's probably he's probably in therapy to deal with the trauma.

So then we go to the scene where and I actually really like the scene. So it's Luke and Loralai at the inn and he's saying, I don't I don't want to go, like your parents are not warm people. I love that he sort of calls it out and they both are sort of they're both on the same page about the parents. It's not like like it would suck if you were like loved your parents and your fiance hates your parents.

Right, We're not in that situation here.

And then we start to realize Luke's doing the jobs around the inn.

And at first I was so.

Irritated by Michelle, like me too, Why is he being so annoying about this?

I completely forgot his storyline in this, so when it wraps around like comes background, I was like, all right, but no, I agree. I was like, we're having such a jerk to Luke, like he's helping gotch a jerk?

Well he you know, all of his patterns were tossed off. No more meetings with Laurel I making lists at Weston's diner, right, and why did they do it? They're and not Luke's. This is what I want. That's a great question.

I'm assuming Westerns is closer to the Inn.

We didn't have to think that.

Yeah, Michelle also frequent Weston's.

Oh yeah, I think that's right. He's more of a Westerns guy.

Yeah, well he doesn't come to Luke's.

I guess, yeah, only like once in a blue moon.

Yeah, He obviously doesn't like change, and he likes his patterns and that's that. And he certainly doesn't like Luke. Luke smells, Luke wears a hat indoors, Luke talks to guests. You know, Michelle is Is thinks he's running the writs in Paris, you know, right, that's that's his aspiration, and here he is in Stars Hollow, Connecticut and the Dragonfly. Yeah.

I do love the line though, Like when Laura's talking to Michelle and she says, I gave him a hundred free snuggles.

You don't like my snuggle bucks.

Snuggle Bucks, right, right, right right. That's something with this episode.

There's not like there's not a lot for us to like debate or be upset.

It's just cute lines.

Like, it's just cute, funny stuff.

Isn't it horrible for a podcast when an episode is so smooth.

Argue about So we go back to the paper and now they're trying to figure out who's going to be editor. Oh no, yes, that's right. So we go back to the paper. They're trying to figure out who's going to be editor. It ends up being Rory. Obviously. The one thing I didn't understand is where was Logan. Logan's not like Logan, I guess just come to the paper when he feels like it.

Yeah yeah, when he does everything better to do.

Well, Rory calls will come. But other than that, he's home.

He's yeah, I guess he doesn't have to deal with it.

So then we go to the.

Apartment and we see all her stuff in the hallway and you just immediately know she's Paris has evicted her. And Paris looked so scary in that scene. Did you guys think that was like intentionally here?

Yeah, it was Jack Nicholson. It was so over and over and over again with the chain and the whole thing that that part was funny. That was funny. That was actually funny because she the bit the gag was great. She kept opening the door and the chain was moving.

Yeah yeah, yeah, and even funny later on when the poor woman comes out of her apartment and was like turn left at the chair and jump over the.

Yeah you've got this, okay, so.

Proving what a great true friend she really is.

Literally she's not a friend at all, like that. We should have a discussion about that. She's never happy for her friend to have anything.

Right.

Then we go back to the end, we've got more of you know, Michelle.

And Luke.

By the way, Yeah, it's all cute, gentlemen. It's I enjoyed Michelle more in this than I think I've ever enjoyed him in anything.

And then I was sort of heartwarmed by when we find out that it's really because he's missing Lorli.

Yeah, so sweet. It's just took us.

It took us a second to get there, but well.

It reminded me of when he was working at the other hotel. And then Laura I and Suki do.

You remember that.

Yeah, it was sort of like a fake w Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, remind me of that time where he's like he just wants to be involved. I think that's really all he ever wants.

Yeah, he wants to be a part of it.

Yeah. Right.

So then we get Rory on the phone with Logan. I actually really liked this scene. She tells her sorry. She tells him that she's editor and that Paris kicked her out and he doesn't know how to get Ginsue knives, and then he sort of says, come on, Ace, just come here, dude.

Would you remember what ginsu knives are I feel like.

That was obviously you don't remember the knives.

I don't know.

In the can.

There was like an it was before infomercials, but it was sort of like an infomercial turn and forget they were these nineteen ninety nine knives, but you got like twenty knives and they were allegedly the best knives of all time, and they could cut through a can and on.

The comercial, Yeah, I remember, Okay, I just didn't know what they were called.

What else did those things do? What are they called again?

Cut through phone books and things like that, I mean, demonstrations, wiles, and then they'd go slice the tomato right afterwards, totally cut.

It's like a twelve set of knives. I see it. I remember these, right?

Are they still around?

I mean I don't know.

I mean yeah, you can literally get it off Amazon.

You can get on you can still totally buy GINSU knives. How much are they?

One hundred bucks?

Ooh a price hike Amazon inflation? Right, I swear back then they were nineteen ninety nine.

So Amazon has them. It's a bamboo with a bamboo block new or used, No, it's new for eight piece knife set.

One hundred dollars now ninety nine nine, Amy, the dollar is worthless now everything's hip. You know that it's the same.

It's Amazon's one hundred bucks, targets one hundred bucks. Low's is one hundred and twenty.

I guess it's been forty years, so because I definitely was seeing that out in the eighties.

Yeah, oh my god. Wow, times they are a change.

And anyway, I sort of did write Michelle such a cry baby, but then I came around on it. I was like, yeah, and when he says, you know, money isn't everything, and then she says, what are you doing this afternoon?

I'm not going for your pity cake.

It's just all good.

He wants to put Luke in a jumpsuit.

So then we go to Christopher at Yale, which I actually thought was was cute.

Oh no, you don't want it.

I didn't care for it either.

I didn't.

I hate when he tries to act like he's Rory's peer, like he tries to act like a college student and.

Did not get that.

I did not get that. Earth useus ah, I did not get that at all.

And he's joking around with Logan, Well, this is later, but he's joking around with Logan but like, oh I love your Xbox. I'm going to move in here with you. And they're all, you know, comparing prep schools they got kicked out of.

See.

I just well that, okay, that was a little we could talk about that. But I feel like he's still dadish.

I do.

You have to remember he's a very young dad, but he never.

But he never was a dad. That's the thing. It's like, I think like he's trying to make up for twenty years.

And he's boy. David's very boyish anyway, right, Yeah, yeah, he's very youthful and very young looking anyway for his age. Right, He's got that boyish smile. And you know, I will say he doesn't again come off like a dad.

I always have critiques of the background actors, and I'm sorry they if they So here's two interesting things. I watched the scene twice because she says did those two girls check you out? So I totally missed it.

Oh it was pretty it was pretty obvious.

Then I watched it again and I was like, is that too obvious?

Like that would be really hard acting. Actually, I think act like I'm.

A look at somebody they walked by. They turn around and they looked at it.

There's looking at somebody and there's checking somebody out.

They checked him out. It was all it was. It's from that distance. They had to be a little obvious about it so the audience could pick it up, like doing a close up of those girls and you know, they just did it in one shot.

Which I thought that scene or that moment was a little awkward.

Well it was supposed to be.

Well, but just like Laura, I mean not Laura Ry' is like, oh, what happens to mom too? And I'm just like, I don't I just.

I don't know.

It felt weird to me.

Yeah, I hate having hot parents. Like that was weird.

Yeah, that's the line. Sorry, thanks to That was the line where it threw me off. If she didn't say that, I think it would have been fine.

Yeah, I mean I think if you had a dad that's only sixteen years older than you and you're at college now and he's hot, girls are going to check him out.

But I would be a little bit more gagged about it.

Like right, she seemed like she seemed like, oh, like this is normal, like parent, Yeah.

You'd be a little bit more.

I think if she had had a very close relationship with him growing up, it would have gagged her. The fact that she doesn't feel so close to him in that regard and does that's interesting him. Then she can sort of objectify it.

Well.

We talked about it in the last episode that when in a pop culture when I tell Teddy Mellencamp her dad's hot, it does make her gag. It does make you gag a little bit. M h, Yeah, I think you're right. Scott literally almost called you, Luke.

That's I actually respond to both and I sign official Dad's so funny.

Tory Spelling says she totally responds to Donna. She just has to. She gets called Donna like as much as she gets called Tori. Anyway. Uh, I think that you're right.

Like everything you're saying is like, yeah, like, I don't know that has complicated her situation with these young parents and they are cute.

She doesn't look to him as her protector or her father or somebody, you know what I mean. There isn't there aren't those memories and it's just not there. Yeah, and you know he can't pretend it's there as much as he wants to. And I think that's the part that was difficult to watch, that he sort of stepped in and he was kind of oblivious to this, you know, the past, and how they don't have a really strong bond and everybody relaxed down, happy because he's paying for everything.

Imagine if he would have flexed and been like, oh, my daughter shouldn't be living with her boyfriend, be like.

Who are you bro?

What? Right before we get to that, though, I do like the they're listening to that teacher, that professor. She's like, I had this professor last year. He was a Nobel Prize winner. And he goes the dull dude.

Yeah, I don't know.

There's a lot of funny lines for me in this episode. So we go to the cafeteria. He wants to see where his kid lives, and immediately we go into the building and I'm like, this is so fancy with the lobby, Oh yeah, the elevator and even the door looked fancy, and that you go in the apartment and it's just like so literally so fancy.

It's literally a penthouse.

Yeah, it's the furniture of the pool table, this couch is the every detail is fancy.

Yeah, it's just all fancy.

So yeah, okay, So what did you guys think when they're going back and forth about all the schools they got kicked out of. I was a little bit like, why are you excited about the fact that your daughter's boyfriend's been kicked out of like eleven prep schools.

My first thought is that Rory's dating basically her dad. Oh that was my thought exactly.

Ooh, I did not get that.

But wow, you're totally right, which kind of pushing back on the family.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean it's like Christopher's happy about it, like that they have all this in common. He's not upset that his daughter's boyfriend got kicked out of all these schools. You just thinks it's normal.

He's like bonding over it, right, exactly.

It's either manipulative or he's so immature that's the only level that he can relate to.

I think it's the latter.

Yeah, And I don't see any really, I don't see any comparison with Logan at all. I think Logan's a hell of a lot smarter, he's got a bigger future, brighter.

I agree with that too, with that too.

And I think I think Logan is a more purposeful and this is going to sound Counterhoulder, but a more thoughtful person. I think. I think you're right. I think Logan is uh, he has the potential to be a really great man. Yeah, I think it's all there. He's just got to get out of his youth and get out of his anger and get out of his dad's shadow, and he could he could be a great man. I agree that. I don't see that potential in Christopher, but I.

Do think there's something to what they're saying. Is like, you do marry your dad. I have so many friends that are dealing with that problem, right, Like.

It's not like copy and paste, but it's it's the same qualities in the sense of like they both were at these boarding schools and they both got kicked out, and they went to the same boarding schools, and they grew up in the same circle. Because Christopher's family is also very well off, and so it's he.

Grew pushing back. Is it the family patriarchy?

That's the right way to say it.

I think so.

I don't know, like both of them are sort of rebelling from what their families want.

Yeah, which I guess I did the same, but Lurlai kind of has She kind of did her own thing and succeeded that way. When like Christopher literally got money like two weeks ago, you know, like he hasn't been doing that great and Laurai built something from the ground up and Christopher was just handed this money.

Mm hmmm. Yeah. So I mean, could there be anything more obnoxious than a really privileged loser who gets a bunch of money is now stupid rich and it's like arrogant about it. No, it's so And it's like I can't even think of anything more annoying, you know, like waltzing around her campus and you know, trashing Nobel laureates and good dull guy. I mean, it's it's just really sad. Yeah.

And he even he even says when they're outside the apartment and talking about the doorman, he's he made some comment about I love slipping money to people to do things.

Like oh yeah, that that was a little new That was a yeah, I forgot about that because.

It's sort of a throwaway line.

And then I was like all right, what did he say? So we then go to Luke and Laureli's house, Loreli's house that's going to be Luke's house, and he's in the suit looking good, and they're going over the list, which at first I was like, what are they going through? And then I'm like, oh my god, that's the list from Michelle. They need to change the chocolate brown to cocoa brown. So I enjoyed that, but I can't take my eyes off the bedroom.

The bed that is so beautiful. The bedroom is so beautiful.

Oh, and me think I've got last week to throw my one flag on the bathroom. The bathroom that fancy shower curtain. You know, if you have a bathroom that fancy last shower door.

I was about to say, the same thing. It's never a curtain. Yeah, the bedroom looks cozy.

Everything about that bedroom looks awesome.

Now it was. It was actually a great set to be on because it was big and it was plush and it was nice. It's good. Yeah, and it's every other, every other, every other piece of furniture on that set when it was like kind of tiny, you know, but here we have like you know, new gaming.

Yeah, like a proper, Like yeah, because at the point now where she's not having to buy thrift store furniture, so it's like she's kind of moved up in the world.

The bedding alone is so like plush.

The room is big.

Like Scott said, why am I I almost called you? Luke's going on with my.

We're all mixing up.

Everyone's called Rory Lorelei like four times.

So uh, I like those scenes now because I think that the bedroom used to be cramped and messy and so which I would sort of feel that when they were in there, anyone was in there, And now it's like those scenes are so I get why they're shooting a lot in there.

Because it's it's cool.

We go to Friday night dinner and wow, wow awesome, awesome scenes but wow, like all the people with insurance issues and then the payoff to that.

At the end.

They're so stress insurance.

All the names.

The names are the Brian Hunter, like the names are the best part they you know, and we saw Hebert Lansing. We get to this sort of gist of they are welcoming him into the family, you know, like in a weird twisted way, but like if they're worried about him being you know, someone coming after him for if he has bad insurance, it's going to impact them because we're all in this together. So even though it was so unhinged, I was like, oh, maybe they all care about each other.

Weird Gilmoury way.

Yeah. One thing I did notice about the scene is that we find out that Laurel I still does not know anything about Anna. She makes a comment about not knowing anything about April's mother, and that's when Luke was like, oh, I you know, trust my gut, I know her. And so that I thought that was an interesting little point that they made. Laurel I still doesn't really know anything about it.

I think that makes sense, Like do you know what I mean?

Like it's not that they're going to go have tea like maybe eventually, but like right now.

There should have been a conversation between her and Luke about, Okay, who is April's mother? Like you think they would have had that conversation by this point, like tell me about her?

Yeah, I could go either way.

Yes, I think you're right, but I.

Think she right.

But there also is something about not asking about the ex. Sorry Scott, you.

Guys, Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. I just think that Luke has you know, pulled up the drawbridge on this and like, hey, this is not open for discussion right now, and I'm gonna get to know my daughter and that's that and that's kind of how he is. And we also kind of find out some things about him in this episode that I mean really really hits home. And you know, he's not a man of let he's not. He's not. He doesn't read, he doesn't know about stocks, and he

Think yes and no, because I think if I had a twelve year old I can't remember geometry either, I definitely be getting the book for dummies. So I think there's both with him. It's like I actually think he's much smarter.

Than maybe you. Everybody's giving him credit for he's really is smart, yeah, heart.

He just didn't have a chance to get the college education that would have shown that, all right, because I think he's smart.

Yeah, he wouldn't be able to banter with lore life. He didn't have a brain exactly.

And I think he doesn't.

It's not that he doesn't know about stocks in the stock market or whatever.

I get that he said he didn't.

He doesn't want to talk to Richard about it. That's not his He's not interested in that because we know he's good with money. He's right, he just decided to go and invest in real estate and you know he's an entrepreneur instead of putting his money in stock.

So I always think it's like a choice too. Yeah, but I think Richard's the kind of a guy who can break down. He can look at a balance sheet and know what's going on with the company, whether it's investable or not. Right, Yes, he had He's had to

Yeah, probably by choice and by circumstance.

Right, because he's putting his money into real estate, and that doesn't take a great deal of analysis other than you know, it's undermarket value. It's a goodbye, get it right.

Right right? I do like in this one, so y'all are kind of coming out of.

The dinner, right, your hair is all must and you're now having a total panic attack over insurance.

And they do call.

Out the title. Lorles says you've been gilmoured, and it.

Is a bit of a throwaway line that's sort of stuck forever.

What is the feeling? He describes a tightness in the chest, yes, coupled with what.

My favorite I don't remember exactly, but my favorite line is when he says my shirt is soaking well.

Joking well, when he's walking out.

ELO love that, like it's like they've been gilboard but like I think they accepted our relationship, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, Like they kind of were like, wait, how are we supposed to feel?

Right?

Yes, that's the whole thing about that scene. You sort of feel like, Wow, that was gnarly and intense. But then you're sort of like, all right, they kind of all like each other, and they're totally like going to redo that they need umbrella policies and they're totally going to redo their insurance and they're like and then they do sort of address like, is April is this real?

Like is it timing weird?

Like is this a scam? But you fine? Did you did you? Did you feel that during that dinner that that the Gilmours were being so condescending to Luke that they just decided to bombard each other there for him and Lorelei with all of this rhetoric about insurance and telling stories about it. I mean, it just kind of felt like a sort of iphalutein beat down in a sense,

I think there's lots of problems with them, meaning like they're just not necessarily like polite, warm, guess interested in their guests. That being said, I don't think they were mocking him. I actually think.

Well they were just they were barely tolerating him.

I got the vibe like they both think that you and Lorlai have made something of yourselves, and now they're kind of like almost like it's gilmoreing you like you need you need. I didn't get a mocking as much as it's like you've been Gilmore, meaning like now you need to look at all your assets and your things the way we look at ours. I actually thought it was sort of they're leveling you up, but just in such a Gilmore way where they're just so like they're not warm.

Okay, So but if they wanted to do that right in a respectful way, Richard would have had a private meeting with Luke in his office or in his study or at the golf course. Once again, man to man and talk about it in a respectful way, in a respectful period of time, gradually and not like put on this full on beat down display. Right, but they're still going to be.

In front of But they they're including her in it because they are also saying she has created assets and wealth.

The house has gone up fifty two percent.

She owns this in I think sharing my point, my point.

I don't think, not in the sense that he should separate you and take you aside on the golf course.

He's that's like rap families talk.

About saying, hey, now they're they're they're talking guy, they're.

Acting like Theyan young I think they get ganged up on him.

They ganged up on them. To me, they were putting you and Lorlight in it together. They're not singling out Luke.

Now.

What they're doing is talking down to you. You're right about that, and that you both are like forty years old.

They don't.

You don't really need mommy and daddy to tell you what to do with your insurance and your money. So I agree with that part, but I don't I don't think they're condescending to Luke per Se.

I think they're acknowledging these young couple, our kids have made.

A lot of money.

We got to help them protect their assets and that that you're a part of their assets, so that if you guys mess up and someone falls at the diner, they can not only sue you, but sue Lorelai and the Gilmours is kind of where I was at with it.

I don't know that that's appropriate dinner conversation. Well, that's that's correct.

That's the part that I'm saying is they're so they're not like, why are they not just asking you normal things that.

You're not like the traditional family.

But I do think it's their way of showing, like they said when they came out, I think they accept us. That was their weird way of saying they're not fighting it.

They're saying accepting us. I want a part of that. Well, you act them well exactly, of course.

But but I think that's also the definition of you've been gilmoured. It's like they're gonna drag you do, but then they're gonna somehow validate you at the same time, and you're gonna be used as you walk out.

See, I don't. I don't hate them at all.

Like there's things they do and things Emily does that are so bad and kind of gross.

I don't hate them.

You know what it reminds me of, you know what, Like you have relatives who they're a lot older, and they are things from maybe thirty forty fifty years ago that were like okay to say at the time, and then like suddenly, not suddenly, but over time it's not appropriate to say that anymore. Like this is a horrible example,

You wouldn't comment on someone's weight as they're your dinner guest, but like your mom might. I think there's something about the Gilmours that they're just treating you. They're having no filter filter, they're not being polite, They're just like saying what they're gonna say because you're in the family.

I mean, yeah, that's how they're treating Luke at this point.

Like it's like.

It's bad but good and I think like, because.

What's the good part. Explain that to me.

They're accepting you. They're not fighting. They're not saying, don't marry this guy.

They're saying he doesn't want to be a member of that club that treats him that way.

He doesn't get to decide like he's marrying into.

No, he doesn't guy, he doesn't get to decide, No, he's married into that. What influence do they have in his marriage at this point with Lorelei, you marry you marry her, you marry them.

You're in their family now, so you don't get to decide, just like you had to go to the dinner, you don't want to go to that dinner.

Those are her parents. You see these two being married and then all of a sudden, you know, everybody's going on vacation with each other.

But like vacation, you're saying, you have to have a relationship with them. They are her parents, and she has a relationship with them.

So by marrying her, not much a one you with your parents I do.

She sees them every week, Yeah, and they're involved in her daughter's life and her not.

Saying Luke has to go every week, but he will definitely have a relationship with She's not.

Seeing them every week of her own volition. She's being forced. It doesn't matter it was tied to money. She's married. That's what the show's about. That's Luke is marrying Laura I go to Hartford to be with her horrible parents, but.

She doesn't like them.

There was seas when she didn't go to Friday night dinner and she she missed it, like she called Roy, like what happened? Like deep down, I think she wants to be there.

Of course, she just told that whole story where she said when they lived at the Inn and they got the invite for Christmas dinner and they didn't go.

She regrets it and wishes they went.

She will always have a relationship with them because they are her parents.

I see Amy's point. I think the dinner was really about lorel I and Luke because it started out. The whole conversation about the insurance started because Lorela I said, we expanded the house, and Richard's like, were you updated your coverage? Didn't you? Like That's what set the whole thing off was loral I is expanding the house and then moving forward from there. I think I think, yeah, Luke is.

There was.

It reminds me of the scene where Luke and Jess were in the canoe and Luke was telling Jess, He's like.

You get it.

You get with this girl, you get with her whole family, and it's like it's just kind of a package deal. And yeah, Laura is not really there of her own volition, but I think we've seen kind of over the seasons she's starting to forge a relationship with them and starting to I don't I don't want to say she likes them more because I don't think she does.

But.

I think that she's she has to take Luke along on that ride.

So you know, you know what, I just realized. The Gilmore Girls, the love of Gilmore Girls for twenty three years, is not based on anything coming from the Death Star in Hartford. It's everything about how Laurela I raised her daughter and the town of stars Hollow and her Yeah, that's the family values, that's the family friendly aspect of the show. The villains are a two headed bas called Richard and Emily. Those are the villains.

They're the I don't know that they're.

All of that is that that is not the kind of family values that anybody is aspiring to or relating to. It just illuminates disagree special and what a what a good decision, Laurel I made I disagree and go go ahead and go to Stars Hall. A lot of people relate thing and enhances everything that Stars Hollow has to. It's It's like Hartford Upper Crust versus Stars Hollow.

A lot of people read dynamic because you said that people don't relate to a lot of people relate to relationships with their parents or whoever, but especially with their parents like that totally relatable.

Lrelize relationship with her.

I'm not saying that it isn't relatable, and I'm not saying it's not a very necessary part. And I think that that's the genius of it. Platinos set up, you know, Death Star versus I don't agree. I kind of say that one respectfully.

I don't because what I think they set up is how complicated everybody is. The Gilmores are complicated, Luke is actually complicated. Lorelei is probably the most complicated of all of it.

What I think they set up is.

This core with Rory and Loreli and the tentacles that go out from that and all their relationships, the relationship with Dean Jess Logan, even when Rory and Loreli have their falling out.

All right, remove the Gilmours from the Richard and Emiley from the equation and the show what do you have? Not as good as a shell? Does it exist? Do you just have to go on? Sure?

It's just a campy sitcom. It's just not as good, it's not as deep. It's not as rich, and I don't mean rich like the Gilmours are rich. It's not as like textured and rich. The reason we like it is because these characters are not one note. It's why we get irritated by Paris because she's sort of one note.

I think the reason that Gilmour Girls is so iconic is because we have the contrast of Richard and Emily and everybody.

But yeah, I agree with no.

I think you give that example, that's extreme example of wealth and entitlement against where she ends up and that town and you've got magic. You agree with that?

Yeah, But I even think, like Michelle right in this episode, we're all kind of irritated by Michelle's antics until we realize why, because again, he's not one note. He's not just the crotchety guy that works with them. He's has heart and he loves them, So I see that. I think it's why Paris I'm not vibing with her as much right now because we're not getting any redemption with her, whereas with Richard and Emily we do get it from time to time and kind of a lot.

Paris is obviously going through some kind of verse breakdown. I mean, that's just a mental breakdown we're watching, and the character well.

And another thing we won't agree on.

After the dinner, when Christopher calls Laura right after he's promised Rory he's not gonna tell her because she's going to he tells.

What do y'all think?

Yeah?

Yeah, I think like if he was very involved in Rory's life, I would kind of give him a pass, but like he's not. Just because he's paying for Yale doesn't mean like he's suddenly buddy buddies and like with Laura I and like they didn't talk for a long time. So it's like, here's the thing we all know that Rory was going to tell Laura I herself, like she's not She's not a kid who's gonna hide that from her mom. It literally happened today, so they haven't even that.

But isn't it sad that Rory wasn't even upset and not terribly surprised that her dad had shared her secret.

Well, my take on that was go ahead, Scott, sorry that he's pathetic.

No, see, my take on that was not that.

My take was she's not upset because it was sort of a dad thing to do, Like, so's you kind of are like dad already told you.

Oh god, you know what I mean.

Like, that's why I think she wasn't upset and she knew she was gonna My thing with Christopher is like give her a hot minute to tell her mom.

I'm not mad at him.

Like two days later he could call and be like, hey, do you know where Rory's living?

But it was like and he walked outside her still like.

That guy really knows how to build trust with his kid. Dunny. Well, and there's another opportunity by the wayside.

She's twenty one years old at this point, and now he suddenly decides he's going to try to parent her right, right, and which I thought was not. I mean, she's an adult, she doesn't need to be parented. She can make her own decisions. And you're right, like this was brand new information.

How he is, right, That's the part about it. That's that's why I say pathetic, is because they expect him to do that.

Yeah, but I wasn't that surprised in Loralai's reaction only because when me too, when Rory said, oh, I'm like going out on a date with Logan again or talking to him or whatever it was. I think it was the last episode. Lorlai was like, oh, okay, so you guys are talking like she didn't take it like, oh

And some of it is circumstance, I think too.

When she says Paris kicked me out, she's.

Like, what is she supposed to do? There is something like she's.

Not moving back to the stars Hollow to go to.

And also she stays there half the time anyway, Right, she kicked her out of her apartment, put her stuff out there in a bad neighborhood where her safety is an issue. Right, It's like that is like you eliminate that person from your life.

That is just like, well, I agree with you, Scott, like Paris is not her friend?

What no? No? Yeah. I mean everybody's reacting pretty much how you would think they kind of would.

I mean, like Laurla is probably not like jumping up and down about it, but she's like, my daughter's twenty one years old, she's getting like it.

Yeah.

And she even said to Rory, she's like, well, you know, you remember what happened the last time I gave you my opinion, right, you know that was She's like, do you want to get the pool house ready? Like I think that was like to really say something because like they're finally back at a good place, so she's kind of suppressing how she maybe really feels.

She's also torn on logan.

Yeah, so it's like she's not gonna win, because what's she gonna say, like I don't even like this guy, Like I don't know. She's not gonna win, so she might as well just be like cool, she's in a safe, fancy apartment. Yeah, it's all good, that's true. And then there we are. You know, it's a good episode.

It is.

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of laughs, a lot of Yeah, I.

Agree with You's got a lot of laughs.

Building a good script, good script, real good acting too.

Nobody was like being a weirdo or jarring or annoying other than Paris.

But she's supposed to be.

Yeah, what do y'all give it?

I'll give it a nine? And my measuring stick is cans of soup.

Bear on the yesterday's did she open it yesterday or today? Which one?

Tara, I'm going to give it nine moving boxes, Rory's moving boxes.

I'm going to give it nine chains of the door. Paris too, But.

Yeah, it is a nine, Scott, what do you give it? Oh? Boy, uh, I don't know. I don't really see anything wrong with the episode. I think it was pretty flawless, was there. Sorry, I'm going to give it a ten. Oh wow, wow, wow, hangout, I'm gonna ever send that. Let's do nine. Let's do nine point seventy five, and I'll deducted quarter point for the lack of conflict in the episode, although you know, I think the dinner table stuff provided the conflict. So

What?

Ten?

What weren't many objects in this episode?

Yeah? Right? Ten? Ten bags of tater tops? Oh my god, because that's about what it looked like anyway. All right, kids, So that's going to wrap up this episode. Next episode was that episode fifteen fifteen, season six, A Vineyard Valentine. Thank you, Amy, thank you, Tara, thank you, Susanne. Best fans on the planet. We will see you next. Keep those cards and letters coming, We love to read them. And have a great, great, great holiday season everybody, and