You Weren't Babbling (S2, E17 "Dead Uncles and Vegetables")

out at the diner. Emily gets too involved in Sukie's wedding planning, and Taylor gets worked up over a farmer's market opening in the town square. What an episode, Good lord, I am going to have to write off the bat recuse myself from opining from the Luke stuff. Really? Why? Because I was nauseous watching it? Because I can't watch myself really, so you found this particularly hard to watch? For for when I was on screen most of the time. Yes,

I thought it was the best part of the whole episode. Okay, so that's why I'm recusing myself. You guys, do you know I'm gonna I'm gonna opine on everything else. I'm not gonna interject on Luke. Okay, that's fine, And I'm actually I want to question you. I want to pepper y'all with questions about the dynamic between Luke and Laurel I because you know, I perceive it one way and maybe you're perceiving in another way, and I know the

audience is responding in a favorable way. But to me, it was just I just I just cringe when I when I act, I just it's like stunned right now because to me, with some of your best work, I don't know, I saw them falling in love even more. I just listen. For me, this was just more proof of the glory of Lauren Graham. Okay, I mean, what a delightful presence on screen. And let me tell you something. Another thought popped into my little head when I was

watching this episode. You could inject Lauren Graham into just about any nineteen sixties or nineteen seventies series and she would have. She could have been in Bewitched. She could have been the lead in Bewitched. She she rivals Elizabeth Montgomery energy and and and lightness and skill and and and and you know she wasn't. Her comedy in this episode was more subtle than everything because she was so busy doing stuff. But it was so nuanced and so great.

But she was being such a great friend, and she was being so charming, and she was so easy to watch, and it was just, oh, my goodness, I'm just very surprised that you're having a hard time watching your self and if you look, I don't want to talk about that crap already talked about. I want to talk about all right, did this episode bother you in quotes more than others? Harder to watch yourself in this? Yeah? Wow? Okay, Yeah,

it was just too much Luke for me. It was like, it's enough, what you know, the guy died and the whole thing, and finally we'll talk about you like you're not here, because I not like I'm not here. I'm here. Okay, I will remind you of that fact. I am here. I loved the Luke stuff, but it's just like I was. I was so relieved to seem smile at the end. It was like, finally a smile. It's just I don't know, go ahead, do your thing. Look great episode, by the way,

A great episode, Okay, despite how I feel about watching myself. Um, but I just thought the writing was snappy and funny and great, and I loved all the Suki stuff and the and you know, and Lauren just killed this episode. She just killed this episode. Man, I want to Riley, I mean, give us some Luke talk. Unpopular opinion was not my favorite episode. Yeah, I'm sorry, guys, I'm sorry.

I texted Amy and I was like, oh, this Gilmore Girls episode is in my favorite And then like five minutes later, with like the last fIF two minutes of the episode, I was like, Okay, it's good. It's good. It's good. For the first half, I was just kind of like, do do do do? I don't know, because because you know, Gilmore doesn't really deal with death. You

don't see you next, you don't. It's maybe maybe a Cinnamon's wake and it's a funny thing and all poor Carrot and everybody's but it's like he's we're dealing with death here in a real way. That show doesn't do that. It turned around for me when Emily was in the diner with Laurel and she was just like, this is your this is your goat, your dude, you know. I was like, I'm ready, I'm back. I thought it was a phenomenal town meeting phenomenal, absolutely, absolutely phenomenal, short and sweet.

I remember we didn't have to be there all day. I guess here's what I'm gonna say. First of all, I agree with you completely about Lauren. I am such a Laura Lae lover, like I just love everything about her, and to me, Laura Lee and Lauren are the same person. But I am a huge fan of Luke. I find him to be so much fun to watch. And I use the word fun loosely because it's like he's clever, he's sexy, he's funny, he's grouchy, he's just I love

that guy. I love Luke Dane so to me, because this was a predominantly Luke episode, maybe that's why I I liked it from start to finish. I agree the second half was better than the first half, but the first half, to me was also awesome. I don't know. I just think there's um, I don't know. Let's the way I want to discuss this is, let's take it, you know, couples at a time. Because it's Suki Jackson, it's Laura, la Luke, it's Rory jess Right, it's it's

it's it's it's Lauren I'm sorry. It's it's god, what is her? Laura Lae and Emily, It's yeah, yeah, yeah, you're all those dynamics right, And I and I thought they I thought when the when they played on the lightness of the comedy was lighter here, it wasn't so laden, it wasn't so heavy. It wasn't so my mother is

getting all my nerves so much. I mean, the first scene started out that way, but it was light and kind of funny, and she's leaving the messages and all that kind of stuff, the overbearing grading mother, sure and her and her responses to it were funny and fabulous and all that stuff until she went up the stairs and said that comment about her ears. But throughout it it was like it was Laura La kind of skipping away, and you know, they were showing, the creators were showing

that she has this protective armor of this town. She's busy with her real world life, the life that she wanted, the life that she fought for. She ran away from from Hartford and all of that stuffiness and all of that privilege and money to come here. And this is what you're seeing here, people at their best, Because Luke, you know a townsperson has had a loss and they're all going to rally, and why did she rally for Luke? And I just I just fell so more and more

in love with her character. Like what an outstanding episode for Laura La. I mean, I think she could murder people from here on out, I'd still love her because what gods, what a friend? I mean, what a friend? Friend? She's a friend to you, and she's also willing to stand up to her mom to help out Jackson and Suki, Like she's a loyal friends Like mom, you don't understand what real life is all about and what loving other people is about, and opening your heart to an entire

community of people is about. Where their status is not involved, money is not involved. It's real feelings, it's real values, you know. It's like treating people well no matter what stational life they're from. And you are the opposite that. I mean, she walks in the diner with her you know, her designer clothes on and her attitude, and she's always

I think we're wanting to help. Suki did come from a good place, although she was living vicariously through Suki of what she wanted for Lorelai she just is like doesn't get reality and how rich she is and how regular these guys are. Right, that was the big disconnect, and it was kind of shocking that Laura La had to explain that to her. It was really shocking. It's like, do you understand the money that I mean, what do you think that wedding would have cost? By the way easily?

M h easily and the wedding they probably can afford, and that's a lot of money. Like I was watching h G TV last night and it was this show where they planned their wedding and buy a house at the same time, and the wedding for ten dollars maybe fifteen, you can have a really beautiful wedding. I mean not a lot of alcohol, but yet not a lot of bows, but you know byl me um. But yeah, anyway, I just that was very That really stuck out for me is how out of touch she is with the real world.

Her take on why she was getting so invested in Suki's wedding, well, I think I think Lorela explained it best at the end. You weren't planning her wedding, you were planning my wedding, and which just shows you how unconscious Emily is or how deeply ingrained her her trauma is as the breakup with her her own daughter and losing her own daughter, and she's still in in in deep down. She's trying to win her back somehow, and this is how she's doing it. She wants to do,

but she's it's also for selfish reason. She's doing it for herself as well. She needs to do this thing. Emily is just she's so I don't know, she's just so chained down with all of her issues and all of her traditions and all of her money and all. I mean, it's just waging. You could really feel the weight of all that in this episode where it was like, man, how do you get through to this woman? What do you don't mind? When you said that, I had a

total aha moment. She's not a board and writing his board and just jonesing for something to do with her skill set, which is like she's got skilled in this extravagant wedding, but she's bored, so she just glombs onto it in me imdiately right. And this is the first time I and there have been other times, but this it was really glaring. In this episode She's jealous of Laurelized life. She's jealous of the freedom she has. She's jealous of her friends. She's jealous of the variety of

friends she has. She's jealous of all of that life. And I think she's questions. You know, maybe Emily. I don't think Emily would ever question you know, her own life and her choices, and you know, she's the Queen of Hartford and all that. But you know, she when she comes to her stars Hollow, she's triggered because of what she's missing in her life. She sees Laurela having

in her life. That's such a good point. She's jealous of how busy Lorela is and how her laurea La has a lot going on, not just like physically she's gotta do this, she gotta go here, she's got all these friends, but she stimulated. Lore La is planning this or taking care of that. Like she's got things she's thinking about and doing and ranting a business and all these things. But I don't think Emily, you know, let me, let me, let me go, let me walk this back

a little bit. I don't think for a minute that Emily looks at Laurela because I just said, oh, maybe she's a little jealous. But I don't think for a minute, let me correct this. I don't think for a minute that Emily looks at Laurela and and let me put her down other way. I'm having trouble expressing this. I

think she's still pities Laureli. I think that she looks at Laurel I and says, you have no idea what you walked away from because I would never walk away from that, and no woman in their right mind would walk away from something like this, because this is how life is supposed to be lived at this level. And I think every little success that Laurela has, she minimizes.

She puts it down. Um. She she's very condescending about it because it's in this little town and these little goals and little little stuff, and it's like, what happened to my daughter? I don't recognize my daughter. But if you're Emily and you're looking at Laurela, your d her, what are you seeing? You're seeing a tall, beautiful, intelligent, motivated woman who's doing a great job at her end.

She's doing a great job obviously raising her kid, but you still feel sorry for because she's in that town, and she's not living the high life at the Squiss Swiss chalet in the winter and then starts in the summer. Right, she's still looking down her nose at her She'll always look down her No, she'll never she'll never understand her own daughter, who would want a CD player and the risk that the person in charge of the CD player doesn't know when to turn it off or on when

you could have a string quartet. So it's like you make it, You're saying, it's so accurately that she why would you want this when you can have this? And she's just so befuddled by the fact that lor like chooses stars hollow and she can't, you know, she can't reconcile with the fact that she had anything to do with that. So she's got to say, my crazy daughter, My daughter is a little nuts. So there's something wrong with her because it can't be me. It can't be

my fault. You know, it's not Richard and I, it's not how we raised her. She's an only child. We gave her everything, and she just can't let off the gas pedal that you know well so well said, Yeah, I don't think it's gonna happen. That's the tension. That's the tension between the two characters. It's wonderful. It's wonderful conceived, yes, because I understand. I mean, if I was told you can live here at the Gilmore's right by Chiltern, or you can live in stars Hollow, there is something so

appealing to me about stars Hollow. But to Emily, she's like totally shocked by that. Why would you ever live in stars Hollow when you can live here. Laurla has a soul, she's got real feelings, and she's like, you know, she could probably couldn't believe. And again we didn't see those scenes. Gilmore Girls is not you know, it's not

a prequel. If maybe there should be a prequel and love it right, but I mean, can you imagine how she viewed her parents, and especially her mother back in the day when she was getting when she told her mother, I imagine those scenes, Mom, I'm pregnant. How Emily found out my god? Can you imagine that? And um, I think she saw a side of her mother that made her just I want to be a different person, maybe even change your name and dropped the Gilmore and like

you you're a monster. How what kind of human being are you to react this way? And what had nothing to do with it? Just Emily tough. And I don't mean that in the complimentary way that I did when I say it about lor lia I. It was glaring in the episode the week before when Emily law Ster Noodle at the end and turned it all on lower Lie. So you can only imagine that growing up that happened

all the time. And I think Laurel I learned how to be iconoclastic and rebellious because her mother was so rigid, and she's really good at being a cool iconoclastic check. I mean, she's really a hip, cool girl, right. I mean she's got all those comebacks, she's got all that quick pattern, she's got all that stuff. I mean, she's just such a great character. Now, what do you think about that? This is the second time that Emily fully knows that Luke and Lorelei are in love, second time

and she said it again. What do you think of that? I don't know. I think it was the weakest part of the script. I think it was the weakest part because it was just so I mean, you could either see it coming a mile away, or it wasn't even necessary. It could have gone said, and the fact that she got into it, well, you know, don't you. It's just like, Okay, you know, we know that they're hitting us over the head with this gain. I know you have to do

it because you want to forward that narrative. And though I just listen, like I said, I'm going to be off on these uh analyzes of this storyline, So I'm going to recuse myself. Danielle, what did you like? Yeah, I said it earlier. That was my favorite scene. Really, it's yeah, that was my favorite scene. That's when it the episode changed for me. Yeah, I I appreciate what you're saying and that it was hitting us over the head.

But for me, it's like, yeah, you go, girl, you tell them like and just that Emily always knew, so like when push comes to shove down the road and you are together, it's like, yes, she knew, a mother knows. It was a little I know, but it was a little much for me. I mean, it was kind of I just would rather have left it alone because Laurel

I was acting. I mean, she was so energized and so happy to be in that position, and it's probably because it was a change of pace and it was a different kind of job she was doing, and she was having a lot of fun with the language. And you know, float the boat and wreck them and all you know whatever it put it on a pink stick and scramble them or whatever. Can you read Scott all the lingo? I guess so, I sure can. So we have an Adam and Eve on a raft and Wreckham's too,

scrambled eggs on toast, burn one. Then pass me a pink stick and throw some mud on it. Hamburger with strawberry ice cream with chocolate sauce, Hot blond with sand is coffee with cream and sugar. Make sure it's foot out the doors to go a wimpy with a rosepin on it is a turkey burger with onions. I heard of bulls shopping for China are customers. And then Laura La goes on a piggy piggy with a green blanket and then gives up because it was a baalty with

nobody right right, right, right right. I mean it's the little details of this show that just grab you. I mean, all that little office so great, it's so great, um, but I've never seen laurel Ee so supportive and loving and happy in that role and just so light on her feet and so graceful about the whole thing. And I just was wild by that performance at the funeral. Yes, she's she teared up. Yeah, man, she's feeling it. I mean she's like, she doesn't know your uncle? Who know you?

So it's all about Luke? Yeah? So why? Okay, So okay, I will get into this discussion. Let's let's get into this film, this this analytical discussion as to what she sees in him? Why him? Why do you think she likes him so much? If she does, I'm not assuming that she does. I'm seeing that she kind of does. And he obviously is nuts about her. But do you

think she feels anyway? And why why he's a loner? Malcontent, he's grumpy, he's all this stuff, and and so is that like you know, for somebody like Laurelize, that just he just needs he just needs a little love. He just needs some hugs, and he needs he needs a little attention. I'm holding my tongue till after that. Alright, go ahead, guys, Hey, here's my perspective. He lets her be exactly who she isantastic state, nothing like loyal, Lize loy ly, and Luke likes lore Ly and doesn't want

to change anything. I from a female perspective, like, I think that's why perfect so he so he she goes with the flow and is her self true self when she's with him, exactly. Yeah, and that's you can't beat yourself around that many people. So I think there's there's something there that's my dig on it. Okay, Riley, what's your still holding my tongue? And I think that he is the constant and stability that she needs and wants. Like with Emily, she never knows what she's gonna get.

She know, she's back and forth. I think with Luke she's like, I know his temperament. I know he's gonna be there for me. I know that he you know, is my friend and that he's he's there. I think that's what she loves about him. She sees beyond the personality, the grumpiness that apparently the shut off, closed off person emotionally disconnected. He's rolling her eyes. Yes, I agree with

everything you're saying. But also, and Scott, I don't know if you need to plug your ears, but Luke Danes is it sexy hatty dude with the dreamy blue eyes and the freaking awesomeness, Like, I I'm sorry, I love Luke. I love the look of Luke. Sorry because I know you're Luke. But it's also like I love his vibe. I love his walk, I of how he moves, I love his funny quips. I love he's just that dude's a stunt. Of course, the whole town has a crush on Luke. What are you talking about? You don't think

Miss Patty also has a crush on Luke. Everybody's got a crush on Luke. She's the only one who can get him. So he's so he's in some sense unattainable. Yeah, he's just right because he rarely dates, rarely settles down. But look, Luke is a stud. Rachel was no, she was a knockout, like she was beautiful, Like Luke gets chicks. I don't know how to say it, like look at yes, look at his his nephew, his his his genetics. Like

these people are sexy studs. I and like I think people agree with me, Like Luke is dreaming, so he's so you think he's as unattainable as she is, like his standards are as comp located and high falutin as hers are. Yes, like if Brad Pitt was a diner owner the whole town and be like, did you see the diner owner? Like it's like he's the town cutie or like sexy. I remember because I'm forty eight now, So when I watched it, I was like, and I remember like crushing on Luke and just being like I

love this show because I admit it. I love Lorlie. I want to be lor La everything about lor Lae. But I was like, I also watched because I'm like, I have a crush on Luke. He's cool. I accept that. I mean, you know, I guess it's not something that enters my mind, but it's interesting perspective. Um, I would have been at that dinner all the time, like you know, they're you know, like a little girl, like maybe you would have been ordering the Piggy Piggy in a green blanket.

That's funny you think they go there every day. It wasn't for Luke, I'd be at all pancake World. Amy wanted to be the Piggy Piggy, but as a huge like am. I'm a fan of this show. I love the writing, I love the stories. But part of it, I know, is because I had a crush on Luke's awesome. All right, let's talk about let's talk about Rory and Jess. Let's talk about Rory and Jesse's dynamic in this episode,

which I found entertaining, cute. It was thoroughly gilmourd, right, but I didn't recognize him well, right, because she's being very type A or uh kind of. Really she looked great. She was great, She was great, she was fun, and it's like, get your butt in there, and you know, but it really I don't know that I you know, they it was. It was humorous and entertaining and light and delightful and all that, But what did it do

to his character? He likes that, Rory, but wow, I mean he was But look, guys, I mean all the stuff you just said about Luke, it has to apply to Jess as well. And you know, to the tenth power, right, And he was and they set him up to be this cool guy and mysterious and unreachable, and you know, Rory working hard to maintain her relationship with the Dean and and it's that's not working, and we all know that, but man to really like bring him. I thought they

brought his character down too many notches, too finished. In one episode, parallels between Luke and Lorelei and Rory and Jess that the only one who has any power in quotes over Jess is worried. He doesn't care what anybody else says. But he's gonna he's going downstairs when she said, come downstairs, and he does sort of what she asks. He's gonna be nice to Laura Lieu r he asked.

He's afraid. He's afraid of her a little bit. He respects her, and she's not respects perfect word, he respects her and he and she is not afraid of him. She sees right through him. She she knows exactly what he is. Another guy who has great potential, who is not as emotionally mature as I am. He may never be,

but he's probably worth a shot. He's a project for her now, right, And she's just trying to up the timeline by just taking command and being the you know, the drill sergeant, like get your butt over there and guilting him and everything and move your ass and help

him out and what the hell's wrong with you? And I think it angered her because it's like, you're not the guy I'm gonna fall in love with her stay in love with if this is what you are, like so freaking change And might be going too deep on this, but if she's got to help out at Luke Diner, well she wants her crush. Whether she's gonna admit it or not, she wants her crush down there to help her out too. It makes it that much more fun serving those plates. So, hey, you need to come down

and help. It's like why, right, It's almost like, why don't you need me more? Why don't you show that you need me more? Why are you lying? I mean he's watching an episode of I Dream of Genie, which, by the way, Lauren Graham would have been great role, right. I mean, Barbara Eden was perfection, but Lauren Graham could have played that role in the nine sixties. I mean she had the look, she's got the personality, she's got all that stuff right, perfect perfect actors. I can't wait

to talk about Dosi. Yeah, but I mean that's just but I want to get into this Jess thing a little more because I just I don't know it was for me, it was careful, careful with Jess. I mean, you don't want to make him to um, you know, you don't want to beat him down too much because he's to lose all of that appeal that he had, all of that mystery how smart he is. But but as an audience, we're watching this kid, this jest, struggle with his own demons, right, He's struggling with his own

anger issues. He's struggling with his his abandonment issues and all of that stuff, and it's very powerful. But now you've got somebody like Rory who he respects and is in love with. Right, the whole power, the whole dynamic really shifted. It really shifted. Um, that was unexpected. I was not expecting that, And I guess I'll have to see, you know, how it develops. But yeah, I thought it was a little much. I wouldn't want it every episode.

I agree with you there that I don't want him to just be her b I T C. But that's how he came off in the episode. It was too many repetitive scenes of of her, like you know, putting Alisha on him and dragging him down the street and get in there. You know, it was like three or four those and it was like, you maybe you need one or two. Yeah, we've got your whole storyline with your uncle, which is major. Then we've got Emily and Suki, We've got that whole storyline. Way we've got Dosy and

Tribute or number two dealing with their thing. So maybe the episode was just so filled that they really couldn't do much more with Rory and Jess, but they wanted to sort of keep that going. I don't know, I'm just throwing that out there that maybe that's why they just sort of hit us over the head. In this episode, we see that Jess likes Rory, so he kind of

does what she says. But even at the end when she says, you know, you helped and you he goes, you know something crazy lady at to Dance Studio called me. So when you come downstairs and unlocked the door, that's all I did. And I want to back up, says that's all I didn't. I didn't there was one my idea and and Rory says, yeah, but but at least that's you doing something that you're part of the community. You're part of the community. I mean it was it

was just we liked that. I want to see him having a epiphany, if even if it's a small one, so that he takes a little bit of responsibility. I just want to see some growth, right Sure, I feel like we were getting that that he's allowing himself, whether it's with this massive hesitation into her world a little bit, even if it's just to answer the phone from the crazy lady and open the door, He's going to let himself into into her world, which is this world. Mm hmm.

I love that scene in the diner at the end of Interesting with the quote reception. Sorry, I keep saying, quote, God, people aren't so annoying, is it quote annoying? Unquote? Can we just guts something about the diner that? Did anyone else realize? Mysteriously no more construction and the roof was falling. Well, there was a plastic thing still hanging in the doorway from the diner to the apartment to the office, but

the actual diner dealing mis fixed. But does this episode of dovetail of the next day from the last episode. I mean, we don't have the timeline. But I remodeled garage and it took me a month and a half, so you had a lot of good Listen, man, I'm still looking for you know, Maximudena. Where the hell happen to him? I know where Maximudina is. Let me tell you. He's on Matt Zukry show, The Resident, and he's playing a complete creeper, really, Scott Cohen. He's been in two

episodes so far, maybe three, but I think too. And he is. He's on The Resident with Logan a k a. Mad Zukri, and he is playing not a good dude. He's such a good actor though he can looks a little older, you know, he and he played kind of a creepy agent guy. He was really great at it. He never over does it. He always just you know, he just is the guy exactly. So you think you like him and then you find out something about him on The Resident of m and I know it immediately.

They before he came on screen, they showed a picture of him or something, if I remember, And I was like, was that ma Consudina? Like was that? Well? What I meant not? I wasn't talking about Scott Cohen's career. I was talking about where's Max macdona in the show? Thank you? Very much. Let's try to stay here and Gilmore island here or the planet Gilmore. I know, don't even get me started about the fact that Emily Gilmore is starting

her episodes on Mazel, so we wanted to get into that. Okay, um, well, it's nice to see somebody working, right, I mean, it's like it's tough getting a job out there. I don't want to say it, but I feel like you came up with the most genius idea. What I was that, yeah, five minutes ago, Well, the Gilmore prequel. I would so watch that. And you know, Mazel's ending in a year. They just announced it's renewed for fifth season and then it's ending, so someone might have some time on their hands.

And I feel like, oh, I don't think anybody's going to have time on their hands after no fil More prequel would be let's let's go to Warner Brothers and pitch this right. Yeah? Who technically I'm getting in the weeds here, like owns the characters. Is it Warner Brothers or is it the Paladine. I think it's shared. Would you not want to watch that? I think I think it's really Warner Brothers. But they defer to the Paladinos for everything because you know, they want to keep the

relationship right. They don't want to like sex in the city, right, They don't want to step on anybody's toes. Even though they could that, they won't do it. You know what I meant that herb being Warner Brothers is a very classy studio, right, they really are, and they really do. And I know there was a little tension, you know, season one, season two, all this, but you know everything got ironed out and um, you know, they really really

respect those two. They respect those creators, and they don't feel watching a young Luke because think about it, a Gilmore prequel. Even though Lorala I didn't live in Stars Hollow, then you could still have the young Luke, the young you know, Suki, all the people that grew up in that town, and we can explore that storyline where we're simultaneously. I'm in. I think it's a great idea for the c W. You know, I think it's it's Alix. It's

a completely different yeah, sure, completely different cast. Who would play young Luke Brad Pitt, So if Luke was sixteen, who is a sixteen year old kid right now? Because I would have said Milow, but Milo is like old now, so who I'm got Eastwood vibe? Too old, I know, but he's a little too old. Yeah, sixteen year old Luke. Yeah, because it's a prequel, so it's them at their teen years. So who is a sixteen year old actor? Wait a minute, how old is Luke in the show? We meet him?

She's thirty two. I'm like, so it's not a sixteen year old Luke, it's a it's a twenty one year old Luke. Oh, pardon me, correct, pardon you are correct? So twenty one year old? Correct? You know you're sure that he's thirty five at the beginning of the show. All right, yeah, because I don't think he's quite forty. Right, Okay, I'm very good at math, as everyone knows, but I blew it on that one. Everybody knows you're good. Who do we like as a twenty one year old that

would play Luke? I don't know who? Could it be from Euphoria Woo pretty boys? So maybe just get the whole cast of you four area and just put him in this Gilmore prequel kind of clean up, clean them all up a little bit. I feel like is good, but more more edge than that guy. Okay, he's a little bit older. You know. He looks like he looks like that actor that was on that Australian actor. He looks like a young version of that Australian actor. Was his name, No, no no, no, no, the one that was

in Troy with Brad Pitt. What's his name? Really good actor? Dark hair? What's his name? Eric? Eric Banna? That looks like a hundred now, like he's not a d stop it. That's not a hundred, it's fifty. And he looks like a Greek. God, give me a break Instagram. Who would who is twenty right now? Even I? Who would be the young Luke if there was a prequel? Boy, that's a good question. It's not that guy because he looks like a young Eric Dane, I mean young Eric Eric Bana.

I think Eric is the whole Oh god, we're sidetrack. Let's get back to break, all right. We're gonna, man, we really, We're not just gonna need a towel off. We're just gonna need to get buffed. Um so listen, uh perfumed and alright, we're gonna take a little break and taking knee here, folks, and we'll be right back after these words. Ye are everybody, We're back. Everybody's feeling fresh. We're talking to We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna aromatic wafting.

It's wonderful. The scent of cucumber in the air, that's wonderful. Um, so what are we going to talk about? The the the open air market? I thought that was hilarious fresh. Josie was so freaking pissed, and Troubadour number two was so rapa, Oh my god. David Gruber Alan, Well, how do you say his name? He's got He's Gruber. He's just known as Gruber. Well he I think in this

show he's credited as Dave Allen. But obviously we've tracked him down and he's going to be on with you next So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna talk to him because that that young man needs to be you know, he needs to answer some questions for good later this week. Everyone can hear that episode. But yes, I think his like kind of nickname or name is Brewber. Yeah, yeah, but what I mean, what a what a I mean? Not that I'm getting sick of the show at all.

But what a great new energy to introduce into this Gilmore tapestry. What what a fantastic performance. S this how he flirts with and he was so great with Taylor, A raging Taylor, right what I was hysterical. He hey, man, you know I got all the public bravery work. You know, man, it's all good. And yeah, you know my uncle was shot in the button. Everything tips over when he drinks coffee. But he's good. Everything's good. You know, It's like what

it was the funniest delivery I've ever heard. It was great. Right. The town meeting was so low. Oh my god, oh he was the tailors like, uh, miss Patty, you take over. And he goes down and he's like she calls on him, like, bro, you can just do that from up there. The car Kiosk car Chios, the double Chris. It was hysterical. Don't go he hands he hands with the gavel and you know, Laura Lauraa comes in late with perhaps the best line of the whole episode was uh, well you're late, miss Massy,

and she goes, God, I help him. Not pregnant, so good, so good. I'm not pregnant. Stop repeating yourself and being redundant, and stop repeating yourself the same thing. I mean, it was just, oh, the town meeting was hilarious. It was hilarious, God almighty. And I remember we just shot that and that didn't take along the shoot. That was like a couple of that. I mean it was it was. I think it was an evening shoot, as I recall, obviously

because you have to go outdoors. But it really I think it started late afternoon and it wasn't like an all day, all night thing, you know. It was just short and sweet. Um. I thought Kirk was hitting hitting his stride in this one too. Yeah you go seven equals, Yeah, seven equals and then his and then his line, how's that taste? He goes perfect to steal the equals? Yeah, take them all? And I know we'll do this in best lines. But I wrote this down. I four fourth

don't care. But why did she say that? Was it tied with the coffee? Why did she say that? Because Kirk said, I like, I want three quarter caffeinated, one quarter decaf and she goes out four force don't care. I didn't that. Oh yeah, yeah, it's so good. What is our job? We're just being paid to watch the most freaking awesome show on TV. It was really a good episode. It was really funny, and then the ending,

you know, it was so touching. The reenactors show up and then of course Lorla is there with him, and then they walk back and it's the whole town is there and there, you know, everyone brought food and it's just like wow, Now now you know why she she moved there with the baby Rory that she she she made a really good decision because those people are top quality.

You are so right. I just had another oprah aha moment ahead where the Gilmore's Live is fancy and everyone is rich and they have their mansions, and I think she even says a line in this like bentley'ser for people that can't afford rolls royces. But those people judge each other all the time, and they're always trying to do better in One Up and blah blah in Stars Hollow, like these people are just in it for each other. Oh you need something, I got you mm hmm. Yeah.

It's a real I would love to live there, and it's a real town. You need a cup of sugar. There's forty five neighbors that have sugar knock on a door high you don't come on in we're baking blueberry play of them not come on, you know, and it's in the middle of the night. No, I'm just going, I know, I know. I mean, that's that's an aspirational town. That's a fantasy town. That's uh. But there are places, there's a lot of places like that that exist there.

There are only only there's two other notes. I have Michelle when Luke needs the nine rooms and he's a French frore convention so to pop. Sure, it just didn't miss a beat, did it this episode. Every everybody's talents were showcased. I mean, it was just it was just remarkable episode. And I just think, you know, I don't know how Lauren Graham didn't become a movie star. I don't get it. You know, she is bringing to bear,

you know, looks, charms, skills up the wazoo. I mean, Jesus, I mean, I know she did a couple of films and she I think she did Evan Almighty in a big film and it didn't make a lot that Santa and like, look, she did Parenthood. She had another series that was massive Parenthood was brilliant, and she's she was much more dramatic, but she still brings the funny. But

I don't know why something. I mean they you know, if you've got those kind of comedy skills and those kind of dramatic skills, why why didn't the studio make her a star? Right? Like? Why does that mean? Do it with other girls? Right? That don't have as much to offer? So why didn't Why didn't that happen for Lauren? Did you think that she would at least be like Sandra Bullock or sure Melissa McCarthy like sure, which she works all the time. I mean, you know she's not.

It's not the same as Melissa. No, It's like, how does that woman not have a comedy film career? A big one? Right? I mean you could see her all these great films. Have you seen the proposal with Sandra Bullock? To me, that could have been Laura? I mean, I love Sandra Bullocks, she's like McQueen, but could have been that could have been more easily easily you could have You just stick her into any of those roles and

she's gonna kill it. And I'm not. It's not taking anything away from anybody, you know, especially somebody has gifted a Sandra Bullock. But you know the vibe with Sandra Bullock is when she was up and coming, the town knew it. You knew that Sandra Bullock was going to be a star because everybody was behind her. And that's all you heard was Sandra Bullocks, Sandy Bullocks, Sandy Bullock. She's the next big thing. Um. I just I don't know. I just I don't get it. I don't get it.

I mean, why why didn't some studio sign her to a multi picture deal and say rock and roll with these comedy scripts with these great writers, and I mean, she could have made those studios a bundle. I just don't understand it. Maybe I don't understand the business as much as I think I do, But I don't know. I mean, maybe she's I don't know. It's so interesting because Gilmar Girls is such an interesting case study like

college classes. We'll talk about it because it has been so big on television for twenty years, because it has its second life and its third life have been bigger than its first life. And that doesn't happen that often. Because you've got people like Lauren Graham at the center of it. And it's like, Okay, I don't want to get people to take this wrong because I don't want

to get the emails. Melissa McCarthy completely deserved everything she's she's getting because of her skill set, because of her dedication to her craft. I mean, she she's she writes her own characters, she writes her own screenplays. She's she's brilliant at crafting characters and creating original characters. I mean,

that's a skill that she probably always had. But she you know, she was in the Grownlings for years and it was intensified training, and it was just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant and everybody but you know, why not, Lauren Graham, I don't get it. It's really interesting explain this to me. As you're maybe she loves doing TV because she's I don't know, as you're talking, everybody wants a film career. She's been in a lot of movies, but everybody wants

three other standouts. And Matt Zukri has an amazing career too. Milo is a huge, huge star, right, but not in film? Correct, Jarrett had a lucky but not in film. I know. This is like my point and Alexis is in Handmade Stale and she is freaking brilliant in handmaid Stale. Like her, it is not rory at all, and it is these people have huge careers, but they all did stay in television. Sisterhood of the Trailing Fans, sorry, gotta gotta slide that. And she she had, she was in some good films.

She was in Sin City, she was in Sisterhood the Trailing Pants, she was in she was in some good, good films some good people too. But in Lauren Graham's case, I mean, why didn't Judd Apatow throw her in with with his uh clan of of talented comedic actors. I mean, she's brilliant, She's absolutely brilliant. I don't know, and I don't get I just don't get it. I mean, how do you watch an episode? You're just right, I understand, I understand. I mean, I'm I'm laying too much down

on your plan to tall. She's like five s eight maybe five ten? No, I no, not five ten, but she's yeah, she's tall. She's five eight five nine maybe yeah, yeah, that's but so what I know, I don't mean Blanchet like six ft tall. And I just cannot imagine. Look, if I'm a director and I've got a deal with the studio and I've you know, I've got hits under my belt, and I'm and my wife says, you've got to see this show, this Gilmore Girls, And I'm watching

Gilmore Girl show like I saw this episode. I want that girl in my film. I'm saying, I'm bringing her in. I guess I don't understand. I love I'm still I love Laura Lie, so of course I love Lauren. And I have seen Lauren Graham do some interviews with like talk show host and she's a funny person. I don't know. I don't know either. Well, someday we may have to ask her that question. Oh I'm seeing if I missed

anything else. The only other thing that kind of disturbed me it was when Luke was obviously dealing with the funeral and Laura Lize running the diner. I have concerns, and everybody could kind of tell me about this. I felt that there was an unrefrigerated bottle of ranch sitting out behind her. Yeah, maybe both look at the register. That can ranch be left out all day as long

as it's not opened at the grocery store. It's not we're talking about it obviously, it's talking about the diner, right, Yeah, Okay, that's a fair that. That's a fair answer. So it was there. She opens it when people want ranch, and then it goes into the fridge. Everybody take a close look. It's when she's at the register, probably when she was ordering the b LT and I saw this, I was like, all Ranch. It's the details. It's the details that keep us up at night. We don't sleep people. I don't

want any food poisoning coming from Luke's Diner. Canceled the day Spot. We're gonna watch it again. We gotta watch it again on Earth more details. I just talked about the fashion. Do we need to take a break. I think we'd better take a break, because, man, I'll tell you something. I need to eat another pound of chocolate to get my energy out. My god. First of all, I shoved a sugar cookie in my mouth before this episode, which is probably super obvious because I think I'm very spazzy.

I ate some Valentine's chalk, but my wife got me this this wonderful. Oh it's just so good. It's like, what is it? What it's like walnuts and chocolate. Yeah or no, No, it's more, you know, but it's so good. It's so good. I mean, I mean it's so I mean we have that stuff, of course we do. But man, yeah, no, let's take a break and when we come back, Amy wants to get into some fashion. I'm gonna sort of set that out, of course, and have another couple of

five or six chocolate squares. Thanks very much, We'll see you soon. Yeah, all right, everybody, we're back. I am reinvigorated. I have just eaten a boatload of chocolate squares. I'm very happy. Riley, Danielle, do you guys love the fashion as much as I do on this show? For am I the realm? That really like? Because I I think I just the way lower Lie dresses for me is just amazing. Yeah, she looked great in this episode. The

go ahead. Sorry, I'm I'm going to sit out. Sorry you were going to say the floral coat at the funeral. She looked great. She looked great in every scene. I agree. Wait, Danielle, Riley, do you guys you know it's not what stands out to you? No, not really. I think I like lines better. Oh my god, lines I'm like a magnet to lines, lines and clown pillow. I I become obsessed with the fashion. And I remember when it was on the first run of Really shopping and trying to dress the way Laura

I dressed. And I noticed it in this episode because she wears low low waste jeans, really low rise which are coming back, and she had those low waist jeans and I think there was a belt. She just the fashion. To me, it's one, It's super It's one of my favorite parts. I love coat, the floral coat at the funeral. I did like seeing Luke in a tux It wasn't it wasn't a tux whatever. It wasn't going to tuxedo shot up a funeral, the tuxedo on top getting out of a carriage with a cane. Oh my god. And

then there was another she wore. I think it was a tound meeting. I could be wrong, but she was wearing bright red pants and then she had sort of what I would call like a button down denim. Sure, but it was red, white and blue. I mean, I don't really notice the fashion of the other people, but for me, it's like what she is wearing is it's like, it's like sex in the city to me, I want to pay attention to what Lorala is wearing in every episode you're supposed to Yeah, I mean apparently not with

these people. I do appreciate a good Laura Lee out it. I will say that she I love her. Usually her shirts are always something funny, like she had like a cat on one Like, it's always like fun and different. Right, I have googled If anybody listening knows, I am so desperately searching for the pink turtlenext weater with the Dog. I mean I probably spent two hours on the Internet to see if I could find it on eBay or posh mark or like anywhere that it was a bright

pink turtle next water with the dog. Find the picture. But but why do you what did you consider the wardrobe on her this episode different from other episodes? I love her. She looked very chic throughout this entire episode, no matter what she was wearing. Perfect words. She cheek. Yes, you are correct, less kind of young because sometimes she wears the right yoga sucks or the cat it was more age appropriate, but it was sleek. Yeah, it was

very nice. That's very correct, very chic. Yeah, but pink turtle next weater. We're gonna get that information to you straight away. Um, all right, you want to get into uh favorite lines? Yeah, before we do that, do you feel any better about your performance? No? Oh no, no, I don't want to talk about no. No, see I listen. I just did not like the casket scene very much when you were trying to squish the stuff in. Yeah, I didn't like that at all. I didn't like what

I did in that scene at all. You know, I'm I'm just too critical and and now I you know, I can look back and I can be objective about it at me. And I just really wish I could go back in the time machine and redo that eppisode, redo that scene. You know, I don't know that I wasn't my best, so it made me sad. But you know, this is okay. Here's another testament to to Lauren Graham. It's like, it's really difficult for your best work to

end up in the final cut. There's because I don't know that I have that many takes in me anyway, because I'm always really prepared right off the bat and out of the gate, you know, I'll get it into or I'm not going to get it, or I'll get it into and I always get it in the first two. But it doesn't get better for me after that. And that's just how I am as an act or some people their first five or a rehearsal, right, and then they just keep getting better and better and better and better. No,

I'm ready to go out of the gate. As soon as that gate opens. I'm like, that's gonna be my your best performance. Um, so I would just like to go back and do it. But the thing is my point is do you think they used a later take? Oh, I'm not going to get into that. I mean they you know, there's so many there's so many different parts of a scene that have to work together that it's not you know, they probably do consider your best work and we can't use it for this reason and that

reason because it doesn't match this or something. You can see a mic or whatever that happens. But it just seems like her work is always top notch because it's so consistent throughout every episode that I've seen so far, and I've seen almost forty of them now right, I mean so, and and it's like I'm not seeing any flaws. I'm not seeing any you know, glaring mistakes or timing issues or anything like that. I mean, everything is just so easy and spot on and nuanced and the whole thing.

Especially in this episode, the humor was just so underplayed. It was just fantastic. Um. But to get it to that level, imagine what didn't make the cut because of you know, screw ups or whatever. You or somebody dropped something in the background, all we gotta sorry cut, But you know that was a great Taylor Lauren. You know, somebody dropped to Coke Caine in the back. We gotta go.

You know, it's you know, but it's like even her mediocre stuff is fantastic because that's usually what ends up in the episode to be done right right, And that's the that's the amazing part about it. Really quick note that I want to let you know because I read every Instagram comment we get, and people, the people listening want to hear you talk about acting. They yeah, So I want you to know because you know, the majority of people want to hear exactly what you just told.

And as a human myself, that was to I find that so interesting. So yeah, keep them coming as you remember stuff like that we like it. But it's just I mean, I just want to compliment her some more because you know, she didn't get the accolades she deserves. She didn't get a film career out of it, really, and her work should be recognized. Great work should be recognized, because it's really hard with that kind of a schedule, with eighty pages do with all that time, like to

be great in every moment of every scene. And she is and it's a remarkable achievement. And I want people to understand how hard that is to do well. And it's interesting to me, and it made me feel a little bad, But I am interested to hear that that wasn't your favorite scene and you didn't love your performance as much as it makes you sort of cringe to talk about it. It's like, that's interesting. It was bad. It was just it was just bad. It was bad acting.

It was just really good. It was not connected. It was over the top. You know, I'm flapping my hands around, in my arms around like some kind of spas. I I just I did not like that scene with the casket in that, you know, and if other people noticed, maybe they awful appreciate you saying it or someone like me. It was like I enjoyed that scene and didn't even notice. No. Look, I'm a tough critic, you know. I know what good acting isn't bad acting is. And that was not good.

That was not good. Um So I threw a flag. I picked myself out of the game. Sorry, go to the locker room, you know. Sorry, I just I just was really I was kind of die. I got up and walked away after that scene. I had to go get a chocolate square after that. It takes you out. But as an actor, like a regular viewer, I was just like, sorry, man, I mean it's like, it's like that scene. My acting in that scene was was the

opposite of Shakespeare's advice to his players. Okay, if you want to go back and if you want to go into Hamlet and and and read What Shakes what Hamlet is saying to the players about acting, And that's really Shakespeare telling people what great acting is and what not to do. Yeah. I did all that. I did all the things you're not supposed to do, unless is Walter

crun Kind with a special report. Word comes from across the The American actor Scott Patterson has broken in the basement of the Royal Shakespeare Company, three bottles of wine incoherence, salivating. We'll take you there now to London, England. Speak to the speech. I pray you as I pronounced it to you, trippingly on the tongue. But if you malvet, as many of your players do, I had to leave the town criss boke my lines. Nor do not solve the air too much with your hand. Thus, but use all gently.

But in the very torrent tempest, and as I may say, the whirlwind of passion, you must acquire and beget a temperance that may give it smoothness. Oh, it offends me to the soul to hear a robustious periwink paged fellow tear, a passion to tatters, to very rags, to split the years of the groundlings were the most party, capable of nothing but inexplicable dumb shows a noise. I have suff a fellow whip frow, and doing termat it out hurts

her it. Pray you avoid it. Be not too tame, neither, but let your own discretion be your too, to suit the action of the word. The word to the action, with this special observance that your step not the modesty of nature. For anything so overdone is from the purpose of playing, whose end, both at first and now wasn't is to hold us twit a mirror up to nature, to show virtue her own feature, scorn, her own image, and the very agent body of the time, his form

and pressure. Neither overdone or comptari off. Though it makes the unskillful laugh, cannot but make the judicious greet the centure of which one must, and your allowance over way a whole theater of others. Are there be players that I have seen player and heard others praise, and that highly not to speak it profanely, but neither having the accent of Christians, nor the gate of Christian pagan nor man have so strutted and bellowed that I have thought

some of nature's journeymen had made. Men have not made them well. They imitated humanity so abominably we have reformed that indifferently with us, sir, Oh, reform it altogether. And that those that play your clowns speak no more than is set down for them, For there be of them that will themselves laugh, to set on some quantity of barren spectators to laugh too, That when the meantime, some

necessary question of the play began to be considered. That's Fallainius and shows the most pitiful ambition in the fool that uses it. Make you ready. British authorities caught up to Patterson as he was roasting marshmallows on the main stage at RSC. He'd built a bonfire, was naked, playing a stolen ray Finds guitar and singing songs. Chief Constable Smithereen from the First District is quoted as saying he's not a bad bloke at all. In fact, he had

extra marshmallows for me and my mates. I could have done without the singing. It was rubbish. Patterson was booked into Scotland Yard on charges of using a bad British accent, well being American and doing Shakespeare. And that's the way it is. This is Walter Cronkite from New York good Night.

I started thinking about Taylor Dossey, saying, is that the long haired break that wanted to beat the down trouptal By the way, didn't you love Taylor sitting at the table playing with his hair like Luke, like he's lost because he was so stressed that I called a farmer's market. You all call it a market. I'm like, I just love when he's like beautiful sprouts for the beautiful lady. Anyway, what's your favorite lines? Uh, Riley, what's your favorite line? Um?

I love when they're in the town meeting and this Paddy goes the squash is beautiful, but that sexy. It's sexy squash. That was a good invitation. That was really good. Nail don't one, Danielle. So mine was when Emily and Laurel I were going back and forth about you and Laura. I goes he feeds me, and it was so relatable, like he is he fleeds you. Amy. I mean, I think I've given all mine fifty different times. But every line she said about the food, which Riley already caves.

But I'd say my top was fourth force don't care. I a four force don't care right right to Kirk, I four fourths don't care. Um. My favorite line I think I've stated at it. It's when Laura la comes in late to the town meeting and says, gosh, I hope I'm not pregnant. I just hope I'm not pregnant. What did you say that? I mean that was good. I spit, I spit a chocolate square out of my mouth when she's on it. I know we say it every time, repeating ourselves and being redundant, repeating our skills

and being redundant. But that's why you can watch the shows seven times, these episodes seven times, because you catch a new line every But I'll stop repeating myself and being redundant and saying the same thing over and over again and then repeating myself. God Almighty, I can talk about this episode forever, but I think let's wrap it up. Kids, anything else? Huh? Next week? Back in the saddle again? Oh? So that's twenty? Is that episode? What a number? Episode

is that is that? I don't know what episode is. Gosh, we're flying through this season. We're almost through it. We might have to start looking for jobs soon. Jesus. We just started this podcast. We just started this and we're already like blowing through season two. Wow, it flies, doesn't it? Man? Oh man? Alright, everybody that's gonna wrap up? What is this episode? Let me hang out, let me do this again?

Al Right, everybody that's gonna wrap up Episode seventeen. Dead Uncles and Vegetables what's a richly aired April two thousand and two, twenty almost twenty years ago. Um wow, thanks for downloading. Best fans on the planet. Can't believe we're talking about this show. It's two thousand and twenty two and the show is bigger than ever. Unbelievable. That's a

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