You stay away from her while you’re here (S4 E12 "A Family Matter”)

not for me today. They're in the office right and they are interviewing a big couple of celebrities. We're not going to tell you who they are, but they're very excited and it should be great. Uh great interviews, Amy Sugarman, Uh not Gussieu wet hair straight out of the showers. It's very Santon Gnomes. Yeah, I don't have to do the big interview today. Uh, you're with your with your past. What could be? I'm not big things December, guys, have you know the I think I think the WB tour

is sold out. Yes, I talked with second You talked to James and said he said it was sold out for for the entire day or just he said for Scotty peas thing. Oh man, it's so that's I love how he always calls you Scotty p always like we always call you Scott, but he always So. This is James who works at the He works at Warner Brothers. So Scott has known him for like two years. We've we've he's the greatest guy. He's the best. He was on the show. If you missed his episode, you gotta

go back. He's the best. Hang. He always calls you he's the best. He's just so the best. And he's about to get married and the whole thing. And I think it's really great. He's just his life is just just working out beautifully and it's it's wonderful to see. Yeah, so in person is sold out, but people can still want one person sold out, but you can still get the stream at moment dot co Backslash. I am all

in guys. They're selling like hotcakes and and and don't miss out because we're doing a whole kind of thing. There's bonus features and things that I'm going to be doing before even jump up on stage. So that's the part that not that I'm not stoked about the interview. That's awesome and we have amazing guests. The part that I'm most excited for is like seeing you going all around stars Halla. Like it's like I said to Danielle

the it up. I said to Danielle, I'm so sorry, Like I know it's literally right before the holidays, I'm so sorry you have to work, and she goes, I'm actually super excited as the first time watch it too. The fact that I'm excited about this, I can't even imagine like everyone else who has seen all the seasons, you know what I mean, Like, I'm thrilled, I'm excited about it. I'm all pumped up to see the fans.

And you know, my buddy, you know my best friends in the world besides you, guys are are the guys I grew up with, right And and there's a there's a guy called me back home. He goes what he goes, He's like, what the heck is going on out there? When did you become bing Crosby? What's like going on? So she gonna go out there and do jokes and like sing songs. I said, yeah, kinda. So he was just he was just yeah, yeah, maybe some Gilmore jokes.

Maybe you know, nothing off color. That's that's a that's an interesting thing because I know you've been back and you've done some things, but how do you feel like return to stars Hollow And it will be it's not like you're just going on the Warner Brothers Law for work. It will be a return because it will be all set up, So like, do you feel nostalgic? Do you feel happy? This is the journey? Part of the journey.

This might be the first stop on the journey of giving the fans what they want, and this is a form of it, right, And I think what they want is, you know, ultimately they want more episodes, but if they can experience something like this right podcast live on a stage in stars Hollow, on the steps of the high school, across from Luke's, across from laurel Ized House, right next to the gazebo and be there, I just think it's gonna be just such a wish fulfillment, bucket list type

of thing. And that's what a lot of people are commenting on. Do you you know how you're You're Scotty Pete like all you Scott but Scott, is Luke like right there for you though, like that he's like a part of you. I just want to say one thing, okay, because I know you. You set me up here, You're gonna make me cry. Um. The stream is available for seven days, so if you get the streaming right, it's going to be available for seven right. You don't have to watch it, right, I don't have to. You're not

gonna miss anything. You can watch it on Christmas. Yeah, okay, alright, so we're gonna talk about this episode. Let's jump into this episode and uh um overall, um, you know this this episode for me, and we're gonna we're gonna get into it chronologically. But one of the questions I get most frequently is from the fans and from the press is are you like your character? People? Do want to know this end? This depiction of Luke in this episode.

Um M, that's me wow. And I I went I went to pieces watching this not because of you know, um the performance. It was just and I don't want to get too too personal, but I mean it's just so powerful a show. Um. And you know the writing staff and Amy and Dan, they had this sort of eerequality. Um that they kind of knew you. They knew your life somehow, And I don't know how they did it because we didn't tell them about our lives. But I know this from every other actor in the show. It's like,

how did they know that? So so this hits very close to home for me this episode, and especially when he says, you know, I'm always cleaning up people's messes, and you know they're bad mouth and me and and but I you know, I still take care of people and I still help them, and this kind of a thing. Um, very powerful episode for me, very very powerful in terms of Luke and and and it begs so many questions. Um, but we can get into it when we get into it.

But I'm just gonna say, right off the top, very very powerful episode. And I yea, it's a it's it's a top episode of the series for sure. And yes, and I and I want you guys to I want to hear your thoughts on it because I'm a little biased because I'm so deeply involved in the episode on an emotional level, because it was just weird watching it, like because I don't remember I don't remember I don't remember Lizza's entrance, I don't remember Lizza's storyline. I don't

remember our relationship. That's what I wanted to ask you. So do you think you were? And I do know, so you answer what you want. But do you think it affected you emotionally because of the brother sister? Because Liz came in, Yeah, and I lost and I lost that sister. Yeah, yeah, and then another one and um, it's been a tough, tough three years. Yeah, and this episode just sort of brought it all back, you know, it brought it all back. And you know his speech

about tolstoyn what did he say about family? That was a beautiful scene. You know, I loved that scene and I'd love to hear what you said because of their banter. But it wasn't funny. It was so emotional. What do you think it was? You know, it was it was high drama. I mean it was. It was this universal theme that we keep harping on about these universe themes. But this is why the show is so unifying for such a large global audience because these themes. Everybody relates

to this stuff. Everybody you know has some kind of black sheep in their families or they're the black sheep. Or you know everybody has God. That is so true, Scott. When you when Luke says whatever it is to the effect of everybody's got a messed up family, Man, do you go that is so true. Everybody's got a story. You know, you're the perfect family? Such thing that is so true? No, such thing. And I always thought growing up there was the perfect family, you know. And do

you think that you just were it? Or did you think you were it? Well it was weird. No, No. I knew who the perfect family is when I was growing up, and they lived in another town and they were blond, we're perfect, love with the s and I just fantasized about them all the time, wanting to be a part of that family. And then when I sort of started digging around, I don't know, I just got into this thing a bunch of years ago, and I needed to find, uh, the girl that I was obsessed with.

I wanted to connect with her, You're right, I wanted to connect with her. And I found her sister and from this family, and she told me all these stories about the family and all the tragedies and all the breakups, and they weren't perfect at all. I was stunned. I was staggered. Staggered. So there's no such thing. It's a myth, you know. It's what we want, it's what we aspire to. It's what we all and we get sometimes within our families and our friends, and that's what we all strive for.

And that's the beauty of the show. This show, this Gilmore Girls show, it's all of these people that are off balanced, trying to connect, trying to connect with each other, trying to connect with friends, trying to connect with potential lovers. It's everybody's off balance, and we're all like, it's oh God, they're almost balanced and it's almost there. And then oh, you know, because Paris Paris screwing up. Literally she's really blowing it. And that's a whole thing. And you've got

this thing that stood out to me. And I hope Danielle can find the exact quote, because this really is an episode about family, and I thought it was so interesting when Rory comes into the house and Laurelai is getting ready maybe for Friday night dinner, and Rory ends up there. She comes there and they're going to drive to Friday night dinner, and there's a joke about Rory being born. There's like kid joke. Two minutes. That's all

it took, you know there, and I thought, whoa. The joke sort of jarred me because it was like, they make such light of this situation that Rory was born when the mom was sixteen. Daniel might be able to find the exact line. But then I thought, Wow, they're not making it shameful. They're making it so okay by making it something that's just talked about so all all

the time. And I thought that really impacted me because at first I was like, oh, they make a joke about how she was, you know, her mom was a teenager. And and then I'm like, oh, hey, maybe that's why they are actually so cool and adjusted or whatever the word is. Yeah, I mean they're best friends, they're they're they're they're they'll never find And this is me. I don't I don't want to say it's a downside, but people in this situation find it at times hard to

find significant others, friends, lovers, husbands, whatever, wives. They are going to be as close to them as their one parent raising. Right, So it's so true it's a survival mechanism. But then it sort of like in the adult life, it becomes a challenge what what an accurate statement? Or when people marry they're they're not so great dad, you

know what I mean? Like both people marry somebody that's just because they're so familiar, they don't know why, and then they realize, Oh, I married my dad, who isn't who isn't maybe so great? Yeah, or their mom. But I mean, I'm just the nature the nature of love, right, yeah, you yeah, you can be attracted on asking people to take us back to our childhoods to right the wrongs. Yeah. Wow, that's so well said. So what do you think, Like just really, by the way Paris had said, who's your daddy?

Was that the joke that you know? It's when Rory comes in, So they're going to Friday night dinner. So it's later in the episode Rory. It's right after Rory says like getting away from you is just a blessing kind of a thing, like I don't have to be around you, and then she goes into the house and it's really quick. Loria lies on the stairs. So it's right after the scene where Paris and Rory kind of have their conversation. Yeah, and then she heads to the house. Well, anyway,

so Amy, take us from the beginning. Ye'll get to it. Daniel, you can do your synopsis. Yeah, you want to do that, and we'll go through this because this was such a quality episode. It was so funny, it was so quick, it was so impactful. It was the beginning being the funniest thing I've ever seen. But I'll let Danielle do your thing first. Ahead, Daniel, Okay, this is season four, episode twelve, A Family Matter r d February two four.

What an episode for Luke. His sister Liz visits and they argue about Jess and he accidentally tells her about Jess's car. Then Jes comes back into town to pick it up. The secret romance continues for Jason and Lorelie because Emily continues to despise Jason. Rory finally confronts Paris about her affair with Professor Fleming, which leads to Paris dumping Jamie over the phone. So wait, did you guys notice Milo's name in the credits? So what did you think?

When I saw Milo's name? I was like, oh, justice somewhere here somewhere in this episode. So Scott, my question, I actually wish that Milo's name wasn't in the credits because it would have been so amazing for the audience to not know he was coming. Yeah, but you have to go all the actors have to be credited. And when was the air date of this, Daniel? It was

February four, so you know what that is. Back then, sweeps were such a big deal, so they obviously knew exactly what they were doing, and that they bring Milo back or the February episode, all all of these, all of these threads just coming back. Wait, what do you mean by sweeps or months? Yeah, it could be the whole month of February. So basically what happens is and it doesn't happen as much anymore. And I don't want to be a no at all, but I'll just tell you.

The advertisers pay attention to the ratings in February, November, in May. The most so shows and this was especially true back then, would put like it would be like a very special e er, you know, like they put all the special all the so much money into those episodes and all the big stars because the ratings would go up, which would then bring in money for the more advertisers. And more money. So you think that they brought Milo back for this episode because it would be

a higher rating. Correct, they brought him back. They knew they were doing it, but they intentionally make sure that those air in February. The storyline they wanted the storyline, and they they they wanted, you know, they wanted to give Rory some more red meat, right, if you're gonna pay a lot of money and do like a big stunt, like did you notice the town looked more beautiful in this episode, more lit, more gorgeous because they have a bigger budget on these episodes, So it's like the town

really stood out to me. The lights. There was even lights on the trees at the Gilmore's and then you go into stars Hollow and you're like the entire town is lit up and more past Christmas. So it was because it's they have more money and the color clothing I guess would matter too, right, like brighter clothes, like the pinks. Just everything has got They've just got a

bigger budget for these episodes. So like, if you're ever going to do like a big stunt, like you know, like on I don't know, a show like e Er, if there's gonna be a big stunt where there's tons of money and like you know, George Clooney is in the river saving the guy's life. It always would happen in like May, February or November. I know it. It's changed now because shows were like ten episodes long. But anyway, Scott, sorry, I digress. So we're in the diner. It's packed. The

Kirk Laura light that was so hilarious. Did you die? Are you? Guys? I was laughing. So it was a great opening, and that's, you know what, that's how the show should open, right. I'm not saying it should open, but why can't it open every episode in Luke stand That's how the pilot. She's like, and Luke He's like, I have a girlfriend, guys, I have a girlfriend. That's Kirk, you said, Luke Kirk. I'm sorry. Luke was so hysterical, the three of the three of you together doing this stick.

I don't even know who was funnier, whether it was Luke Kirk or Laura Lee. It was just the whole bit three of them. May I may you what she's like? That was flirting? I don't know. That whole scene just set me off on the right path. So okay, So anyway, then do we go to uh, the dorm room. Is that where we realize, oh, no, I think they do? They get on the phone? Yes, they get on the phone, and then you see Lane still at the dorm room.

And is that where we first see Liz with the coffee shocks, with the with the blurting out of things, right, and we see that Luke's talking to somebody and like who is that? Yeah? I was like, who is that? Danielle? What did you think? I was like, who is this person? But then obviously you knew it was somebody when Luke sent her upstairs, So I was like trying to put the puzzle pieces together. I'm like, who is somebody that Luke somehow knows because he's not a sending a random

upstairs to his place, Like who is this person? But I also knew it wasn't romantic because like the way he interacted with her, So I I didn't put it together until obviously we found out who she was, and it was obviously somebody that threw him off his game because he got upset and off camera crashed some coffee pots. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So did you just you did not know who it could be. Did your

mind wander? It did? But everything was moving so fast during that time that like I didn't have time to digest it until, you know, because then you got the next thing and the next thing and next thing. And I didn't digest it until it was just Luke and her by themselves. And I'm like, oh, like this makes the Milo credit in the beginning all makes sense, you know, like I started to the puzzle pieces started formed together. How Laura, La and Rory go through with the dialogue?

Who's that all? She can't be yes, she can't be a prostitute and she doesn't she doesn't have a biggot, she doesn't have a bag big enough to put all the toys in. You know the fact that they go there on this rock and roll hippie chick. I think she's like, it's a it's some rock and roll hippie check right, right, But they go there on that shows if they get away with it, because it's so it's still p g right, it's still yeah, it is nothing.

And simultaneously we're seeing Jason tailgating Luke, which I was just like, cringe, cringe, cringe. Oh, no, oh no, and then that sort of is set up so we really get from the beginning like a great launching pap. I'll tell you that Jason, he's the most likable jerk I've ever seen. It's a great way of putting in. He just you just like him. But he's a jerk. You know,

he's a jerk. He's a jerk underneath it all. But you just can't stop watching him him after I liked him after the the apartment scene, when I was like, this guy is just weird, you know what I meant he brings He brings so much drama that the two of them was. I was exhausted watching these two. It's like, can you just like like they didn't do anything all morning except like argue a little bit. You know, they clash, But you know what, I you know what, maybe why

we like him because he's such a good dude. At the same time, he's like, we need to tell them, and I really like like that. He so wants to be straightforward and honest about this relationship, and it makes me realize how much he likes her. I don't know if that's what wins me back on him, because I'm like a total digger fan. Yeah, but the car and the honking and like to get out of my way. I mean it's like, sure, you know, really, come on,

but there he is, you just like them. So I think I don't want to be redundant Metso I think you kind of acknowledge this. I my notes say this episode is already a tent, so like we're barely in it. We've kind of just seen the credits and it's already attend I you know what, I agree with you. I was looking. I was watching this episode, not looking to deduct points from ten, but just with Beta Breast can sustain,

its sustained, and it does. It just goes beyond. I think we know how many well we will will right there. And this was directed by Kenny Ortega. Did you guys notice that? So again yes, with the movement and the I mean we got to reach out to Kenny again, Danielle, will you ask let's start, because we've been going back and forth trying to get Kenny on and it's like, we gotta, we gotta He's a busy guy, we had him wants we gotta get him. We gotta get him.

His episodes are always amazing and I think somebody, someone in your crack staff needs to go back and tell me if the Kenny Ortega episodes are always in weeps, because I think they are because there's more money, because he's expensive. We now go to the dorm and we're seeing Paris and Lane and they're talking Jamie, which was hilarious. Ton of references and her. It was so small, but it was so hilarious. I kind of like Lane at

the dorm. I don't know why I want her to be a Yale girl and totally be down with her living there. Yeah, what do we think of Paris and how she's treating Jamie Paris? You know, my my Paris, Poor Jamie. Know what I'm saying. I did say poor Paris, Like, oh Paris, Like yeah, he's so vile in this episode. So fine, you know. It's My one overarching note on Harris was especially as the concerns Rory. You when you're dealing with a sociopath and they're sort of doing their

their dudo on you, you don't notice it. And now she finally sees it because she's doing it to someone else that she cares about, And isn't that just like life? Like now? She finally sees it, because it's hard to see these people sometimes because she's so trusting and she's such a good person. Right now she sees it a really good point, like this is the episode where she sees that she sees it, she finally sees because her her she sucks, Like why is she treat people like that? Yeah?

Now it's just like it's all of my prayers have been answered. Pearis's antics are usually like amusing for me this one, I was like, it hurt me. Yeah, I agree, especially when she turned it back on Rory when she called yes, oh my god, that was so yeah, and then smeared and used Lane that way, chasing the just smeared her reputation like she did. She was just sort of a prop to use to get her out of

a situation, and she didn't see people as people. They have no emotion, so she pass have no emotion the way she's treating Jamie when he's been so good to her. And also he came into town for this on birthday, like when he said it was his birthday, I literally

was like this poor. Wasn't that a great reveal? Wasn't like they revealed the last his last line, and it's my birthday, and then and then and then Alexis gets to have that reaction at the end of that Yes, right, Alexis Rory is the one that's sweet and kind and a nice person. Harris's crap to me. Usually it's just about Paris, you know, like it does impact others, but it's usually about her insecurity or her wanting to be

the best or all these things where I wouldn't. I never until now would call her mean, even though she did mean things in this episode. I was like, she's me. She's intentionally mean, you know what I mean, she knows exactly what she's doing versus before. I feel like she was mean, but her intent wasn't to be mean. But she's in this thing with Asher right who who? Who was referred to as what do they call that? That was a ming diet. But it's like, but I get

it if she's got this crush the May December. But but it's so sad what Paris thinks that this could work out. And you know what I'm saying, It's like she's so out of and so insecure, and then she she over she's overcompensating so much because she thinks she's found this special thing and maybe she has there's a very small chance that it could work out, and it could be wonderful for both of them. And this is who powers really wants to be, and this is who

she's becoming. And she's been waiting for a sixty year old guy. Even if so, even if that's her soul mate, right, pretend to access her soul mate, do it right, Get treat Jamie with kindness, break up with him properly. Yeah, Like there's it's like, even if just she really made me madst the capacity, she doesn't think, she wants to

act like it's not her fault. That's why at the end of the day, it is because she If you think about it, like Rory did this with Jess and Dean right, like they have a very similar thing, but they handled it differently totally, and so did Jess. That's my thing is remember when Jess was Day, the girl that worked at the cosmetics store. Yeah, he did not like really hook up with Rory until he said I

gotta go do something right. Yeah, you're right. Yes, who everybody says is like the town hood them literally does it like a man above board, like and Paris is just h and Jackie. Jackie has a fast fact for us attend of the twelve episodes, Kenny or take it directed work during February and November sweeps me for being right sorry at all. Yeah, we're educating tar on this television.

So anyway, I'm kind of glad we're like hashing out this Paris thing, just sort of like in one line because like we've really but listen, we've all dealt with people like this before, right, we have. I know what I had Paris actually wasn't this. We also have had all that, like we've all had that love or whatever that makes us do dumb things, you know what I mean. But this is just a different level. I don't know, it's unforgivable, to be completely honest. Yeah, I agree with you.

I agree with you. So okay, so we're going out of order a little bit, but we're going literally literally I don't know if that's a word. Through the Paris storyline. In this episode, I was very proud of Rory. It almost was a way to get Rory to really stand up and confront her on how messy this is. Like Rory really calls her out, and I thought that was like it actually made me like Rory as I hated Paris.

I'm also curious how this is going to change the relationship even further, you know, like because if I was Rory, I would be like, I don't want to be friends with this person. It's just going to like literally ruin the people around her, like I don't want to be involved in that tornado. Well she's apparently, and the only way to rehabilitate this Paris character at this point is for her to have one or several come to Jesus moments in the future, which I'm sure are coming. I

don't know what they are, but there'll be something. There'll be some you know, consciousness of guilt, uh down the road, which is did you guys catch when Paris called Rory Mary? Yeah? Yeah, I didn't notice that it was like a callback to Chad Michael Murray. Yeah I noticed. I was like, wow, that was wow. Like I want to use so many

swear words. That's my problems. The only way to convey how I feel about Paris, and I like Paris, like I'm a Paris fan, but in this episode, I literally want to call her so many swear words F A, B D. They're all found her daddy. She does a dysfunctional her daddy has been business. She found her daddy. So it's so it's so sick, it's so isn't so weird? For like when you say that to me, like, it's just I don't know why it sounds so weird? Also right,

because it's also who's the daddy? But Scott, at the beginning of this episode, we started talking about family. Obviously, it's called family matters, and we're talking about you know, thinking somebody's perfect or the perfect family, or marrying your father. Well, she personified with Paris. She's literally that's that's a better version of her dad, who pay attentions to her, who has the accent right, and it's Michael York's right. She just needs therapy, tons of it. Her life coach sucks.

I know, I was gonna say, what happened to a life coach? Not talking about that person, not that guy sucks because she's worse than ever. It's interesting though, because with Paris, like you know, we we've liked her up until we've pretty much liked her up until this episode. Scott used to hate her. But she's one of those characters where like you come around to her. No matter who you are, you come around to her in some episode.

And this is an episode where we all are like, I can't stand her, but I just know it's gonna it's gonna come back around. You know. It's so interesting because a lot of times you just want to get rid of the character. But for her, you're like, but she kind of makes sense in Rory's life, And keep point, we don't want to get rid of her, right, we

want to know. We want her to get better, like someone yeah, like someone like like want to loyalize, like ex says, You're like, we're good, Well, we'll move on, right. Paris is one of those people who you're like, she's bothering the crap out of me right now. But it's okay, because give it like two more episodes and we'll like

her again. Because that's that's such a good point, because I'm not like going like, oh, where's you know so and so someone replace her with Lane completely or something you know, or like you think about Lorelei's boyfriends, it's like, as much as I like them, all the ones we've had Billie Burke, and you know, you're not asking for them to come back I don't eve him back, right, Listen, we we forgive, We forgive Paris all of her sins because she just brings the comedy, right, Yeah, you know,

I mean just bringing the laughs. And you gotta hang onto a character like that. So maybe we play through like we just did with Paris, with the Jason Lora Lee storyline. Let's just play it through. We First of all, I don't know why he was driving like a maniac, Like that was just like weird because he was doing twenty and Luke was doing twelve, but it was eight or something like that. Yeah, first of all, it's cute he took the morning off. It's cute they're buying furniture.

It's rude that he's on the phone all the time, but I get it. He has to work, Like don't we think of sort of him and their whole thing. It's chaos, like she likes it. She likes chaos. She likes a guy who's driven, She likes a guy who's smart and can banter and hang with her. He's really hanging with her. Man. He's throwing it back, He's hitting the ball across the net faster than he's getting it. And she loves that, you know, she really loves it. Yeah.

I think she likes putting him on his toes too, because when they show up to the diner and he's like, I cannot have coffee there, like, can we go somewhere else? And she's like, all right, you know another place has really good coffee, and she just moves the car like two steps and she like, we're here. You didn't you really want that scene? Though? I was disappointed they didn't

go in, come on where the scene. I wonder if they thought about that, Like, obviously this episode is amazing, but I wonder if like they were like, oh, that would be a good scene, that would be yeah, yeah, but you know, maybe we'll have something better. His apartment has sure grown on me though, you know the scene where he's on the kitchen. I can't have that. Ye sorry, I'm I'm back. I'm a yes, back alley basement apartment

in the kitchen, the guest bedroom. I'm back on that apartment again because I was like I had a whole thing in my mind like, oh my god, he's on the phone. First of all, I like his pea coat. He had like a really cute peak coat. And then he had a really cute white sweater. Like they're dressing him. There's a lot I like about him. They dressed him cute. His apartment. I want to spend more time there. Right,

it's warm, exactly, and it's very cute. Like I lost a peacoat once, I left it in a hotel cloud. I lost a leather jacket in Mexico. It's the worst feeling, right, You're like, you'll never find another. I left the best pair of shoes in Italy, and I was so mad at myself that leather jacket. So what did you make of Emily? And that scene? Which which one? The one where no the one where she's really talking about, oh Jason, I hate him for all these reasons and oh my god,

you dinner. So we're jumping ahead to Frida and we're just playing through. This was probably the best scene in the entire It was the funniest scene in the entire I mean, I can't remember enjoying a scene more, you know, because it's it's very difficult to make Lorelai that uncomfortable and that silent. I mean, it's very difficult to do that, I mean, and Emily was just having such a good time with that scene. It's ridiculous. It was just I

was just I just offended comment. It doesn't get the question. This is really for Scott and Danielle the most, because how do you think Emily and Richard will feel when they find out that Laurel and Jason are together. I think that Emily, Emily will use it as as a weapon against yet another weapon against Laurel. I she'll she'll interpret it in a very negative way. Let's just say that. I think Richard will not interpreted in a negative way.

I think that they'll that creates conflict between Richard and Emily and Jason and Laurel, I and Jason and Emily and Richard. And you know, there's all kinds of little subcurrents going on and that um equation. So it'll be interesting to say for sure. I agree. I think I said this before. But Richard, I feel is going to would be so happy that his partner is in his family.

You know what I mean that? Like because eventually when Richard actually retires for good for reals, um you know, like knowing that his business and his legacy is still being carried on in his family in some way would make him so happy. So I feel and and also I do think like he gets excited, like the new type of person, Like he feels like re energized with with Digger on his team, you know, like doing all

the different things. Like he he loves like the different you know, he loves how he is now you know, how is the word I'm trying to find, guys. But well, he gets to be the boss. Yeah, and he's the senior, he's the senior statesman in that relationship, and Jason gets to do all the work and Digger gets the energy, like he gives him energy though I feel yeah, and so I feel like with from a richer perspective, he's

going to be like, oh okay. And I think Richard feels like it's it's after being burned by the company. This really is a coup for him and gives his new business cred and he's once again on top. Yeah, so it makes him feel he's somewhat in control and he's like important, he's holding the pieces of his life together through a through a guy who's dating his daughter. Exactly. Do you think that Lorela should have just sucked it up and told Emily there's no way she could she

how could she say anything. Oh, I thought she should have, Like she she gave her the opportunities, you know what I mean before she started hysterically laughing. There was at least like two points prior to that where she could have been like, Okay, mom, I have to tell you something. I'm into this guy. She could have done it. She was laughing like yeah, but can you imagine Emily taking the laft to even greater heights after Laura I revealed

it to make even smaller? So we don't know. So maybe the writers thought that's gonna make Emily appear too cruel and Laura too small, So let's not go there because I kind of wanted to see that too. To too little notes before we get into the real meat here one, what did you think when Rory told Laura La I mean sorry, Laura La, I told Rory you know, I really like him. He's off center and it's kind

of perfect for me, So that was sort of significant. Yeah, question for you guys, are you concerned that there's food in the house because we're definitely supposed to Rory noticed it and then it comes up again. Well it makes it makes sense because the new inn isn't up and running. There's no income coming in, right, so they're just budgeting. We've got money problems. I think I think they're they're significant. She's gonna be okay. Come on, she's got Luke, she's

got Now, she's got Jason. You know there's there, there's she's gonna be okay. I didn't. I didn't see that. I don't really think much of it. It's not a five alarm fire. But it is true to character that the income isn't coming in since the fire. But I don't see it as a significant It stood out to me a lot on the rewatch. So this is this is probably the third just the third time I've seen this episode, and it really I was like, oh, oh,

I didn't take it as like a money thing. I took it as like a oh, she's trying to be more domestic, like she doesn't haven't she's she's she's just running out of money. Yeah, that's yeah, you know, she's she's going to the grocery store and because it's so much cheaper, and the cables off because she doesn't she canceled the channels because she doesn't want to pay that extra. I don't I don't worry it. That doesn't bring any sort of fear. I mean, it's it's she's Laura La.

She'll figure it out. She's gonna figure it out, and she's got that community supporter. She's she's gonna be fine. Okay, So before we get to the most most, let's talk briefly about Lane and Mrs Kim and Laura La. When she went into Mrs Kim's and she says, she says, she's she's fine, She's at yelled with Ror, so she's so she's just moved out of the house. She's checked

out because Mrs Kim said get out. I feel better in that moment, though, because I think that Mrs Kim is trying to stay with her morals, what she believes in. But deep down she's like, my daughter is not here, and I'm worried about her, Like I don't. It's not like she doesn't care, because especially the way she like when Laura I said it, and she looked up and kind of smile old, you can tell like there was an ease that like, Okay, she's good, she's with Rory,

she's at Yale, she's safe. And then she went back to helping her customer that's interesting. I interpreted that differently. What do you think pain? Just pure pain and pushing the pain down and going back to her customer. I don't know. I don't know who's right between us. I think it could be interpreted either way, because for me, I just I think that like she had zero communication with Lane, so just knowing that she's okay, what kind of like totally it could be right. I don't know,

because for me it was painful. I was like, oh god, this is experience. I mean, I felt bad no matter what. But I just yeah, I think maybe and then Loreal I just walked out like that was it. There wasn't anything else in the conversation. I do find it interesting that lore Lie is always the one to bring up Lane first, versus like Mrs Campian like have you heard? Yeah? But that tracks for me definitely pain, and it's like lore Line, no, those that Mrs Kim won't do that.

So she's gonna put her out of her misery almost and be like, hey, f y, I this is where Lane is. So it's almost time to really get into it. But before we do, I just want to give Kirk ten out of ten dude. He was a bringing it because he brought in that first scene and all the flirting and then I think that continued a bit and then the lull. It's a lull like so anyway, that was good, all right, Scott's so we meet Liz and we have that really amazed cup like really great scene

in the apartment. He really kind of get some insight, like she she says, oh something about your dad. I think she even called him daddy where she hides her pot and you're always the brother like getting rid of it and drinking your orange juice and the whole thing. So what did you think? I mean, you know, what can I say? Um? You know, he's just at the end of his rope with his sister and they obviously are estranged and they haven't seen each other and talked

in three years. And you know he's very judgy, very judgmental of her life. Um, you know with all the different boyfriends and uh look, man, uh I live that. I lived it, and it's it destroys a family, It rips a family apart um. And I would say that's a very uh you know. Uh. The Liz, the Liz in this show is a is a light version that's a very that's a very very light version of how it can go in real life. But um, um m, I was glad to see Luke fleshed out a little more,

a little more, he's got a family. I don't know, I kind of I should probably recuse myself a little bit. I mean, I can talk about it, but I don't know if it's a better show with more Luke or less. It's like I almost feel I almost feel like, why isn't there more Luke? Ye fan of the show, and as somebody who's completely you know, detach from I agree with you the experience, right, Um, he brings a lot

to this show. It's why even though we you know, we always talk about the credits, right, for me, it's Laura Lie Rory Luke, regardless of what the credits will will be our were that is the show to me, lore Lie Rory Luke. But is it as impactful if having you know, multiple storylines happening with Luke and Luke sort of being his sort of dramatic funny self. Um, every single episode, does it become too much? It's hard to say, you know, you know, that's that's what I

was thinking. I said, is this good as a as a as a snack as you know, once let's go out for dinner, much more than a snack, much more than a snack. I think we could meat potatoes in the vegeta because lucas hard to read, like you can't tell, like he's kind of like, you know, sometimes he's crumpy. Sometimes he's like, you know, he loves Laurel and Rory,

but he acts like he kind of hides it. So I think it gives him like dimension, Like it's just kind of giving the more storylines with him, the more we're learning about his past, why he is the way he is. So on what I'll say is I really like Liz. I do, and I believed Liz. Like when Liz comes in and she's sitting there with you and she's I'm changed, I've got this good boyfriend, I'm selling my jewel rate the Renaissance fare blah blah blah. Here's

why I'm disappointed in Liz. Very very obnoxious move to tell Jess that you had the car and where it was. But that's but that's typical. That is typical. That is typical. It was like she really won me over, and now I'm like, you know what Liz f you because this guy took in your kid when you couldn't, did all these things to the point of taking the car because it was what was best for him that a parent

would do, and she screws. So what do you think? Okay, so what do you think Liz has been engaged in her most of her adult life that they're not really bringing to the four here in the show because they probably can't. What do you think this behavior is a result? So why is like is messy? Right? Well, I think she's got like she's an addict. Okay, there you go. Okay, there you go. That answers the questions and they can't

really deal with that in this show in a real way. Right, It's not that good, right, But that's is that what everybody else got because she has that frantic like like personality too, you know, and you can you can never trust an addict. They're always going to lie, they're always going to steal, they're always going to tell you one thing and do something else. And it's just and he

was at that point where it's like it's enough. It's going to be more lies, it's gonna be more disappointment, it's going to be more pain, and she's here and he knows what kind of guy he is, and he's going to put himself out again in some way. He's going to get disappointed again. He's got renewed. It's getting too real. It's okay, you're it's it's yeah, because it is real. And it's why I was so disappointed that she called Jess to tell where the car is, because

it's exactly what you expect that person to do. Yeah, they have that moment to like, oh, this will win my kid back when it's like you're not being the mom and Luke was being the parent. You know, Luke is you know, he's heading for a moment where he's going to have to make a decision m hm, whether he's going to continue to have her in his life at all in any capacity. And it's like, you know, she's the character where you do come to the decision

in the future, you know. And it's a hard lesson to learn, and it's a horrible, hard lesson for everybody listening out there. If you if you're experiencing this in your family and you're frustrated, Um, don't hate yourself for cutting people out. Don't do it to yourself. Don't hate yourself because you survived and because you got away from it.

Because all of the effort that you can expend and place yourself in danger, and the money and the time and the care and um to get away from it can be the answer and it can save your life. Because some people just don't want to be helped. They don't want to be saved. They want somebody to attempt to do it, because for them, that's a version of love and they want to feel it, but they're never

going to change. And to those people in the audience who have successfully gotten their siblings or friends through it and survived it and they've transformed that person, good for you, you know, good for you, um, I was. I don't know how you did it, um, but good for you. The lucky ones, you know, the lucky one. I think the rare. I think that's more rare. Do you do you think so? I do? I think it's really hard. I think I think we'll see what happens with Liz

if we're taking it to the Gilmore Girls. It's like Liz's move was telling like here's your brother, You're you're you're wanting to like bond with him, and then you call your kid, who you have no relationship with and who you basically abandon, and you kiss up to him by telling him where the car is, and create you wreak havoc with that decision. So I guess, then, what do you think of Jess and Luke's interaction. I think Luke is just getting to the point where he's done.

It's like, he's no, he's got Nicole, now, Okay, He's trying, man, you know he's he's the feeling pangs of guilt about this, and now all these feelings are coming up because you know, she shows up and then Jess shows up again. It's like, man, I don't need this. You know, these people are too old to deal with on this level. And what what is Jess justice nineteen? Now's I would have a little more compassion for for him, but the tough love thing he needs because he's has his behavior. I mean, he

learned that behavior from his mother. So Luke is screwed whoever he turns to, because he's going to do the same thing that Liz has always done to him because he just learned it watching his mother. Yeah, and you can't get away from it. You cannot get away from it.

And that's the sad reality of it. And so I think Luke is is waking up to the fact that he cannot have a life and he will never be happy or whatever his his version of happy is or content or peaceful if these two people are anywhere near his life, and the guilt that he has to struggle with to get to that point because he's done everything he can, and he does still go into father mode because one of his top concerns is Rory, don't go near right. That makes me like want to cry stay

away from her. Yes, m hmmm, she made it out. She did it, she made it out over it got right? Yeah, Because then I have a question for everyone because I like totally hear everything you're saying. But then there's also that scene at the at the end where Luke is like, you know where the key is, you can stay in my apartment. So what's what's that about that guy? He's that's who he is, Like he just turned back at the end of the day, he still has a heart for him for Liz. Guys, He's not going to turn

his back on these people. He cannot do it, even though he knows for his own well being. He should. He cannot do it. You know why he's still involved because the big betrayal hasn't come yet. There is there are levels of betrayal. Okay, it hasn't happened to Luke yet, and regarding Jess, not even close. There's a lot more runway there for that relationship to happen to take off. But if the big betrayal comes, I mean that you just yeah, I gotta turn my back on your kind

of thing that hasn't happened yet, not even clothes, that's right. Yeah, what do you think of two things? I guess Rory and lore Ly seeing Jess and that sort of situation, and then lore Ly and Luke, which to me was the most beautiful scene. I loved that scene of lower lyon Luke and the diner talking about Jess being back. Uh you guys comment I need to take a knee. Yeah, no, no, take take any I mean, I just thought it was

all really well done. Laura, Lee and Luke have such a connection and I just thought that scene really, Um, do you get this? Do you get the sense that when Jason and Laura are together that they're great together? But it's not what she needs. Do you get the sense that, yeah, that's right, when Luke and morea liar together, that's what she needs. Yeah, just deeper. It's so much deeper. It's deeper on every level. Oh that's that's a very

good point. M hm got because that's the sense I got, because it's it's such a such a contrast, and it's right there for you. They're queuing it up for you right there in that episode totally. I think the interesting part about Rory seeing Jess though, is I think she moved on, but us as an audience, we moved on from her. Thinking about Jess, I was just like, oh my god, Like he's back like you. It's like the way her memories are coming back of him, it's ours

is too. And I'm like, but she's doing great. She's going to Yale, like she's moved out. Like you just think of her life now and you're like, all those memories are now flooding back. Do you think she's over him? And do you think you're over him? Do you know what? I don't think any of us will ever like us as an audience, and Rory will ever get over him. It's one of those people in her life. Where she's always going to go back to, doesn't matter if they're

in the right place, right time, whatever. It is, Like he's gonna she's gonna love him forever. I love that you bring that up. I'm kind of over him, so I think, sorry, here's I'm not over him because I stumbled on after this episode and I don't know if my phone somehow just knows what I'm thinking. A TikTok from the year in the Live Yes, yeh of the window? Is that what you're Oh gosh, no, we want to tell anymore. Anyone listening just knows, you know. You know,

I'm not over him. She's not over him, He's not over her. Maybe she's the most over him of any of us. It's like that with Dean as well, though I think that there's it's different stages of her life, like she's still gonna love Dean for Dean, you know, like it's not over, but she doesn't have to screw up her own life to love these guys. You know how we always ask who's the daddy? You know what I want to add? You know what I want to add to that, who's her soul mate? Oh that's a

good one. I think it's I actually think it's Jess think so too. But but but here's the thing. You look at Jess where he is now, and the way Luke interacts with him now, and the way Rory just walked away, and she did show some caring a little bit, right, but she had to walk away. Her walking away says more about how much she's still attracted to him, because she needed to get away because if she stayed, oh right, get me away from this, because my life is on

a good track. And that you look at Jess where he is now, that's there's still tremendous potential in him, right, because he's kind of extraordinary, and he's really smart, and he's really intuitive, and he's a soulful guy. He's just you know, he's just filled with anger and rage from his horrible upbringing. So's he's years away from being a viable sort of partner in life. He's years away, and nobody wants to deal with it at this point. More Lea who this guy hurt her kid? Right, her number

one biggest part in her life. This guy hurt her kid. She goes into Luke's one of the reasons being you can't leave your kid out there. He's it's too cold, you got you know what I mean? So like she, oh, this's gonna make me cry. At their core, they are parents, Luke and Lorelei. They are parents, and so at the end of the day, they are both the parents. Luke with his fierce protection of Rory, Oh my god, oh

I can't. It makes me just well up, and Luke with his you're the parents, and she with all his her like this guy sucks, but I'm going to go be the parent with with with my co parents. But he talked into it. He feels more protective of as well it should if Rory then he ever did if well, not ever. But at this point of of Jess, no know for obvious reasons, but he just it just doesn't know how to hand I guess Luke just doesn't know

how to deal with Jess. He just it's how do you deal with somebody like, yeah, well that's the questions anyone anyone, right, I mean, how do you deal with that? I mean the fact that for the first seventeen years nobody can fix that. And yeah, because I think a part of it is it's like, obviously Jess has done some not cool things to Luke. But for the most part,

it's he hasn't been taught to do otherwise right. He hasn't been He hasn't he hasn't been taught a code, he doesn't have a cur he's not his His word doesn't matter. You're so right because look at what Liz did. Liz comes back and she preaches all this stuff to Luke. I'm better, I have a nice boyfriend, I'm working, I'm you get the vibe like I'm clean. You get all that,

even though she doesn't say that. And then she ships on Luke by calling Jess just to earn some brownie points with the kids she screwed over for his whole life to give him the car when I'm like, that was literally the last thing she should have done. So that's the ship. And Luke asked the question, why are you here? So why was she there? Why was she there?

I actually think she was there for the dumb reunion, just too like on the nose with that no you might be right now that you say it again, I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot. She's cast, Luke. This is what addics do. They cast their siblings are the ones that seem to care in roles of saviors that they know will never complete the task. Yet they still go back. They still go back, They still go back, keep trying to save

keep trying to save me. And they don't understand the impact they and the one if they do understand the the impact they have on people, on their siblings, coming back to them again and again and again, and you know, scrambling their brains and ruining their their moments and their lives. Um and they pull up the savior, which is exactly

what she did, dang one thing. And then she goes behind his back like you took the car, which also was like the big revelation even though we knew you took the car, that you outwardly say I took the car. You did it for all the right reasons, and another adult parent should have your back. Lorelai would have completely been aligned with you. Right, These people are frightening, and Liz and Jess are frightening at this point, especially Liz,

especially away from me. Just go away, no contact. You're scary. I mean, look how ungrateful Jess is. I mean, Luke kept the car in his garage, locked away nice and safely. And then I give Jess a little more rope because he's a kid. Sure, sure, you have to. You have to. He's still a teen, right, he's nineteen, you have to. Is he nineteen at this point? Yeah, he's probably pushing twenty. But I mean, and he's just a freshman. And so they're like, yeah, and he's a smart kid. He's just

a little troubled. That's very he's very true. I mean, to have that as a mother, I mean, now you see why Jesse is so screwed up because Liz shut up. And that's what that is. My mother is an addict, and she's not well, and she's gonna she's gonna fall again. She's gonna she's going to Yeah, well, I mean that's what addicts do. They can't help it. You know, it's

it's it's an awful, awful, awful disease. It's awful. And also, let's not forget last season, we had the whole storyline with his dad, I mean, and his dad just dumped him in California, you know what I mean. Like, so this kid is just is is really just lost. You know, he has he has no heart, he has no he wanted to put his heart with Rory. And yeah, but he bailed her. He didn't. He wanted it, but he couldn't write you because he didn't think enough of himself.

Stay goodbye, Remember think enough of himself. He didn't. He it was an act of nobility for him to withdraw and to sabotage subconscious right, it's almost a subconscious act of nobility, you guys. The silent phone call. When he calls her and she says, if this is you, he won't even talk at least, right, at least he had that consciousness that he was going to be a bad influence owner. So he stayed silent. He stayed away. He only came. He came back because he had no place

to go. He came back to Luke because he had no place to go. He's looking for a second chance. This is like a third chance, by the one third chance. It's heavy, it's heavy, right, gosh, I guess we'll switch it to some to end on just trying to get a simple little life together. You know, he's just got his diner and he's you know, the poor guy man. Yeah, he's like, I'm going to Nichols, which obviously weren't even

on in Coal. I mean, you did go to Nicals, but you weren't originally going to Nicals, but you went to Nicoles because you want to give him. You know, he won't come sleep there if you're in there. I mean, it's all just are taking caretaking, caretaking? Am I the only one that like weirdly wanted Luke to like for the scene for to be like pulling up to Loria Lie's house, Like I don't know why I want it, it's so bad, Like, no, Scott, you don't think so.

I wanted him to pull up to their house and Lord lies like, come here, you can sleep on the couch. Wait a minute, I think at most maybe maybe Okay, on a good day, maybe he drives by the house and glances a little bit. I don't know, but that's that's still a little much, you know. I don't know about that. That's that's who has our favorite lines. That's

our favorite lines. And I kept forgetting to tell you guys this, but I do love the line when she's talking about Asher and Paris says like ten times not counting my chickens, count my chick what about you guys? My chicken favorite lines? Yeah, um uh, every there was there was again there's like too many to even everything.

In the scene with Kirk and Lorela, you know, I I think when when Tanna got asked Tana got asked out on the date or Paris says that she's in the bathroom throwing up, and then there's another one because I'm gonna take liberties here, you know, because this this episode ripped me apart. Pillar to post, it just ripped me apart. U. Um. The the Rory line when she's referring to uh Asher as the Ming dynasty, what was it made a June romance? And then she's now you're

made of Ming Dynasty romances? Six oh no, and Rory another one, don't don't ever tell me about his body? Yeah, just don't ever tell talk about his body again? Minds a Luke line and like Luke interna the best and um and Luca's double dipping you dog. That was amazing. Oh my god, it's good. I agree. Yeah. I love the banswer outside of Mrs Kim's when they both both Jason and Laura Lee were on the phone with Emily and then she's like, is that the same man that

was her ass? Is he harrassing you? That was funny. I love that banswer. I thought Lauren was great in this episode. The comedic skills just shining through in the pink coat away lines and all the She's just great, didn't she? And she just great? So what are we going to give it one to ten? The cars? I was thinking, just as cars gelopes? What is that? Maybe? Maybe I also definitely noticed that you, Scott drank the

orange juice. You didn't guzzle it and it wasn't a super tall glass, but you definitely drank that orange juice. Well yeah, I mean that's the thing that drives me crazy. People don't eat and they don't drink when they get something. And I do think there was some fake driving, but I think I was thirsty, thirsty, thirsty. I thought Mercedes driving reel, truck driving reel, some of the Jeep driving reel.

Some of the jeep driving so fake. Yeah, there was a lot of fake like looking on the road and fake dr I'm like, you don't have to turn your stealing only I've ever in my life even done that. What else could we do? Should give it one to ten dukes? Well? So wait, let me ask this question. There's one question, what did we think of Jason when he really fought not to go into the diner? Did he Because he did that, he knew he was tailgating you.

I understand why it's not Shakespeare, But what did we think of the character fighting so hard not to go in? Did he go down a couple of notches in your book? Like, just just man up and go down the whole time. That's kind of right, that's kind of his deal, right? How did you say he's a lovable jerk? So you're like, when he's a jerk, you're like you're down, and then you're like you're lovable. But it's also it's not like the car is going inside the diner to get the coffee,

you know what I mean? Like, it's like, you know who's tailgating you? You know the car that's tailgating you. We missed out, We missed out on an hysterical scene. We just get out of the car and go to do a funny scene. Ten dukes for me, ten dukes, ten dukes for you to sorr how many dukes? Give it a nine? You're gonna give it nine dukes? And what why is one duke missing? In your opinion? Just I just don't give out you're a nine room us.

It's a great episode. Does it have something to do with who you're interviewing today and that she can't give attention? She's not giving because al right, um, I mean I I gotta say, uh, this is twenty dukes for me. This is a home run. I just love this episode. I mean, even though it ripped me apart, it hit too close to home and did answer the question are you a lot like your character? Well, in this instance, the answer is yes, M. But that's what we want. Yeah,

we want that. That's what we want. There's a good number of people don't really I want you to be anything. But look it's fine with me. You know. Yeah, you're gonna you'll you'll see them all. Well, that's gonna be fun. I'm really looking forward to that. Um. Yeah, Well this was a nice, light breezy episode, wasn't fashion. They do figure out a way to have funny moments, and you know what, that's why I love it. M. Yeah, this was God. This was just filled with such drama, um

and such hilarity. Really wonderful episode. Kenny Artega hats off, who wrote the episode. By the way, Oh yeah, good question. Let's let's get some fun facts I'm going to Amy. Oh, Dan Palladino, Danny wrote it. Yeah, so you knew it had to be one of them. Just runs amuck, doesn't it, and he charges accordingly. So anyway, Um, that's gonna wrap it up, folks. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for downloading. Best fans on the planet. Thank you

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all the best ladies. Danielle Romo Tara suit Box. Is that right? She's you know that? I know everyone Tara uses Tara sued as her nickname. I got it. I got a couple of emails and but it's like she she guys, I'm just gonna have Scott's back. Everything Tara said to Scott call me Tara suit It's literally my Instagram handle has been like that. Yeah, it's like. I also would like to point out that we got a little dragged last week for thinking that Laura that Luke

had already been to Emily and Richard's house. I know, we Scott went out of order in his brain, but cut the guys some slack, I know, but even I thought. Even I thought when Richard had a heart attack that he went to the house. But it was only the hospital, so I knew it, and I just didn't want to be I got another bone to pick with last week's episode, you know, and crack Staff reminded me of this, you know. And one thing that drives a crack Staff crazy is

that I didn't mention this. Yes, my brain was all out of order that week. Why didn't I mention this? Where does Laura, like, you know, off given me crap when she doesn't tell me about Jason when mm hmmm we agree? Come on, very good point. Anyway, no one's listening to us anymore because said, yeah, yeah, they already tuned out. Anyway. Will we do crack Staff in pop culture? Oh yeah, let's do crack Staff in pop culture? Do

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