Will You Just Stand Still? Part 2 (S4 E22 "Raincoats and Recipes”)

that I understand what you're saying. Like, I like Rory and Dean too, and I think Jared pattack he's a total babe, and I'm like, kiss, I love it, right, But it's the heartache coming that could be so avoided for Rory if she wasn't making dumb decisions. And Dean it's like she's she's it's very bad. What has happened between Lorelae and Rory that is not good, which we'll talk about, but also the importance of the final scene that is in there for a reason that Rory goes

out of the house. She's upset, she's in this thing with her mom, and she calls Dean her boyfriend and quote not at all because Lindsay answers, and then she has that moment that realization of Oh, like, I don't want to say it. How about she screwed up? How about an alternate version of that final scene and let me just put this on your plate and see if you want to take a couple of bites of this. Okay, okay, all right, because I'm going to serve it up hot

for you. All right, no silver ware? Are you just gonna have to face eat it? But here we go. What if Flora I didn't come down on her with that lecture and just said to her, I like, where we're going. We'll talk about this in the morning, knowing that anything she said was going to affect her daughter adversely, So why not just say and I'm just spitballing here, guys,

I don't know if it's right or wrong. But what about just letting it lay there for the for the night, so that so that Rory could sort it out in her I think, on her own, and then in the morning, like, be a little more gentle about it instead of being like, you know, what do you mean? She is horrified at what her I understand she's horrified, But why are you dumping on your daughter right in the moment and making

her feel that big so bad. There is one only one reason why I kind of agree with Scott, and that's because it was her first time. Yeah, so, like it is a very vulnerable like thing and moment. And you know a lot of you know, people in high school or whatever college look like, oh, I wonder what my first time is going to be like or whatever. And Rory painted it out like rainbows and butterflies in her heads, in her head, like she said, I had you know, my first time was with somebody that loves me.

Why don't you know? Like so she so she felt like this was like, no, it's it's so, it's so bad thing bad. Think about it, like, it's so bout a year old lady in a bad marriage hooks up with another dude in a bad marriage. Right, that's bad. That's bad. You're eighteen years old and you just slept with someone for your very first time who is married. It's so bad. Yeah, I argue it. It's real, real, real bad, and it is very bad. But but with that being said, like it is such a pivotal sensitive

moment for Rory on what just happened. And I although I agree with Loralai and everything she said and how hard she is coming down on her. There is something about there is something about it being Rory's first time that like she wasn't sensitive enough. Oh I don't. I don't know. Here's the thing. I understand where everyone is

coming from. And I agree with you, Danielle, because it is like if this was like, let's say her and Dean had slept together before, when they were together, this would be a completely different conversation because they were going back to it. I think because it was her first time, I think Loralai was mad at the situation but didn't take four seconds a second to think about how Rory was feeling. Because for Rory, like you said, it was all rainbows and magic and it was amazing, and then

reality said in that she called Dean good mom. If you go, oh okay, let's talk about this, you know about what we witnessed. Is she being a good mom by doing that? I think there's there's no right and no wrong answer. I think everyone's going to handle it differently. Though there was one thing Scott said that what if Laura I never came and had that conver Like, what if Laura I just wasn't there. I think Rory's smart enough where all of that would come to a realization

because when she calls Dean, Lindsey picks up. So I think even if Laura she called Dean to prove her mom wrong, essentially she needed him, like you need a boyfriend. And then she's like, oh, my boyfriend's married. Yeah, guys, And she and Rory actually said to Laurel, I I hate you. We have we heard that before. Before she walked out to the door. She says, I hate you, mom. I think she says, I hate you for ruining this for me. Well, I hate She used the word hate.

Here's my thing. It's pretty severe. How are we arguing that this is anything but terrible? And no, it's so terribul because two people are living truthfully and expressing their truth and loving each other. So let me ask you this, Scott and society. Do you care about rules or about in the way? What do you care about Rory? Of course I care about Rory, So then why would you ever care about all of these people? No, Rory, do you care about Rory? Yeah? Then why would we ever

think this is a good idea in any way? Because Rory will be hurt by this. Now I'm not saying I don't know. Six months down the road, Dean does get divorced. He ends up with Rory. Okay, the pain of this. The one thing that like adults should say to kids is never do this. Don't do this. Listen, wait a minute, don't do this because it's never good. It's always bad, and and not only like look, counselor, if you if you'll approach the bench, counselor Okay, um,

I hear you. But here's here are two words that I think for me sum it up. No matter what type of a life you're living, no matter who guides you, no matter what you believe in, we know what's right, we know what's wrong. Okay on the moral morality scale. Sure, Okay, here's here's what I have to say. Life happens. Yes, I agree with that, Okay, and it's it does. It happens to everyone, and we don't always behave in in in a spectacular fashion. So then the question becomes, how

do we handle that? What's the best way to handle that? Now we're taking this incident out of outside of the show and putting it into everybody's real life, and that I don't know if anybody wants us to do this is like analysis, paralysis to analysis. But I don't feel like these guys did anything wrong. I don't think. So here's okay, So let's say that that's what life is

about out what they're in the argument. This is one of those times, my mat can you see text doctor Goldscher and see if you can do a special up episode with us. Not today, we don't have to do it today, but this week or next week. Because here's the thing, Yeah, Scott, Danielle Tara say we don't care about Lindsay. Just pretend like we don't even know Lindsay, right, So like I'm a believer that like, well we don't because we were not allowed to care about her, for

Rory knows they're married. So say, but nobody cares about Lindsay. But this is my point, this is my point. We don't have to care about Lindsay even though, like a good person goes you know, I'm not gonna like hurt Lindsay. But Rory should know. This is what a person man, woman whoever should know. I am setting myself up for pain and in our lives, like we need to know when to not do that. Don't know how in the moment unless you have a lot of experience. It takes

a lot of experience. Correct, I get it. They're teenagers. They're never going to do it right. Move would have been You want to know what a baller move would have been? The Rory that we knew years ago, because what's happening is Rory is like devolving. Is that a word? Yeah, I mean I don't know if it's a word, but Rory the Rory I knew would have done. And the baller move is fine. Say they're in that the Dragonfly and they kissed. Then she says, you know what, Dean,

clearly we have feelings for each other. You need to go get your straight and call me when it's sorted out. And I answer, baller move. But that's the move. That's a person who not only loves Dean but loves herself. One hundred amen, Amy, Amen to that. Yeah. Absolutely. The one thing I will say, we do have to realize is we're dealing with somebody who is un unbelievably immature. And you hear that just so she took both of

them totally. But with the topic of Rory right now, because she goes on to be like he was my boyfriend first, like sister, Yeah, well if that is not an argument, Like, what are you trying to say with that? Let's right, let's face it. They're both coming they're both coming out of they're both coming from dysfunction one degree or another. Yeah, he's coming out of his, she's coming out of hers, and they're coming together and they're being dysfunctional.

But it's really nice to watch. But what we're analyzing right now is like the behavior and it's just like they're all acting like you're selfish. True, their brains haven't stopped forming yet. They've got another dumb mistakes. When I was that age too, I made plenty of dumb mistakes when I was at age. That's the age where your heart gets broken, where you get where you get, you know, beat up a little bit, and then you'll learn. But

here's there's still in a learning phase. So Loralai says what she says, right, because we're kind of analyzing a bunch of things. Rory's making mistakes and did Loralai handle it right? And it's like, here's why I think Laurela handled it right. I don't think Rory's going to make this same mistake again. She'll make plenty of more, but like, is she gonna go sleep with a married dude again? Probably?

I don't think. I don't think you can ever make that same mistake your first time being with your ex who's married, Like that'll never happen again. I think. I think what has happened here is we did not see a scene between Laurel and Rory. We did not in that moment when she was scolding her daughter. I thought we were seeing a scene between Emily and Laurel. I think she morphed into Emily, and and that was a

young because because let me finish, let me finish. Laurel has heard that same conversation from Emily from the time she was sixteen, and she's just repeating it, and she's passing that abuse down to her daughter. Agree. I disagree so much because Emily treats Lorelai irrationally and badly for things that Lorela didn't even do. Rory made a terrible mistake here, and Lorelai is not sugarcoating it, She is not condoning it. She is expressing it in and she

doesn't raise her voice. She expresses it in a very eloquent Maybe we pull it up and we read through what Lorelai says, because she expresses it so well to say, to point out to her kid, who's who's like lost. I I'm not disputing what she said, Okay, I'm saying that. I don't. I'm questioning the timing and the intensity of it. Okay, That's all I'm saying. I think I think there's a world where where she can say the same thing the

next day in a gentler way, in a more loving way. Jackie, will you pull up the train script so we can see it. I don't know. I think she needed. Look, I understand what you're saying, and I fully respect it. I think you make it. Rory's not some screw up. She's not running. She's at Yale and she's doing well and everything's going well. How do you talk to your daughter that way? That is not She's not a screw up. She's a girl who is obviously very s she's screwing up. Okay,

so let her screw up. Let her screw up, and let her, let her sleep on it, and let her come to her own conclusion. She already she already did, like she already made that decision herself. She already did screw but let her but let her okay, So let the screw up ferment a little bit overnight and maybe she wakes up and has an awakening it. But allow her that that space, allow her to come up with her own conclusion and go to her mother and say,

you know what, Mom, I really screwed up. So you're the dad right in this group because we're kind of winging it. So your kid screws up. Now, I know he's younger. I don't know what what kids screw up. Let's say he lies, right, he cheated on a test or something. Yeah, I did something bad to stay on the cheating. Do you address it that? So let's say he cheats on a test, right, and the school calls me Nick, doesn't shade, he doesn't, he doesn't need I know,

give me, give just allow me the makeup story. I'll tell you. I'll tell your kid right away, or do you go okay, sleep on it and we're going to talk tomorrow about No, you do it right. I do it right away, but I do it very gently. I do it very so that's my because you have to know not was she not gentle enough? I think I think she was not. That's why I think there's she is her her she is, that's Emily coming out in her, ripping into her. And I thought that that was a

little bit brutal. Look, I don't I don't disagree that it was brutal. I think Lorelei was as brutal as a mom could be, but I think it was necessary. Yeah, okay, so let's look at what so what she says, So this is the part. So Rory thinks the drama is that she didn't tell Loralai she was going to sleep with Dean, right, So she says like, I'm sorry didn't tell you about it first. I didn't know this was going to happen. And it's like, is she delusional with that?

Like has Rory lost her mind? That that's what Laurel is going to be upset about? And I think Loralis calm. She says, but he's married. She says, you don't understand, Well, is he still married? And then she says yes, and she says, well, then I understand, and she says it's not working between them. They're not happy, and Lorelis says, oh, Rory, like like she's aren't broken for her daughter. I don't

know that she was being harsh. She's just like and then she even gives her another one, like he told you he's leaving her. HeLa was like helping her walk through it? Yeah, like did you realize what? Because because Rory's in this fantasy right now and Lorila is trying to bring her just back to reality a little bit of Like okay, he said this, but like did he?

I think? And look, this is really interesting, Laura Leges. You, of all people, the girl who thinks everything through the listmaker, you didn't bother to discuss those things before jumping into bed with a married guy, like she's I think she's showing Rory this is not what she wants to be either. And what about this part, Scott, Like, what about this part where she says he told you he's moving out,

that they're getting divot? Okay, listen, Like I said before, I am not disputing the Lurlize right to say these words to her daughter. I'm not disputing this. All I'm saying is and I was asking you to speculate, and we have very successfully. I think is there another time and another intensity in order to have this conversation with Rory like in a real world sense. I mean if you if your daughter did this, or if my son

did this, you know, what's the reaction. I mean, the reaction is as important as the incident, right, in terms of how it impacts the child, and how the child's going to process it, and how the child's going to resolve it. Like, wouldn't you rather have your child resolve it within themselves in their own time? Why wouldn't you trust your if you've done such a great job raising your child. Yeah, so all she's reacting to, Yes, I

think she's angry at herself. I think she's angry at herself, like, this is my deficiency as a parent, and this is my guilt as being a single mother that doesn't trust you enough. Now, I'm not going to trust you enough to resolve this within yourself because you made this horrible decision. Everybody makes horrible decisions. But who are we as parents, or as a mother, or or as a sister or brother, whoever you know, to come down on somebody that hard immediately? Right?

I don't agree with that. I think there's another world where you where you respect your child or you respect your friend to oh this dawns on me the next day or the next two days and you just sort of sit by and you watch, and they come you and say, you know what, I think I screwed up really bad here, And you go, why do you think you're screwed up? Yep, Okay, I them come to the realization there's more power there. So I don't I like

what you're saying. And I think there is there is some truth or or correctness what I don't know what the word is to the idea of Lorala saying to Rory, you need to really think about what you've just done. You need to really think about it, and then leaving it and off she goes. So that I agree that there is some right potential there that Rory comes to

it herself. But I also the two things can be true, and that I think Loralai handled it in a way that I actually was like, I don't know if impressed is the right word, but I think Laura handled You were just impressed with this may you were just impressed with the scene and how it made pressed with Okay,

And that's your soul's parenting or abusing your daughter. Is there a world where you can see that she's abusing her daughter when her daughter is in an emotional state, a completely a vulnerable state, and she's bashing her child to the point where her child goes outside and breaks down. Think she doesn't break down her mom is right though, Yeah, she didn't break down because of the arguments of her mother's right. It's not about her mother at this point.

It's about what that child's going through and allowing her to process that all on her own and come to her own realization. Look, I like where you're going with that. I think in a perfect world it would have been better for Rory to realize she made this mistake on her own. But I think that Danielle and Tara are correct and that they're saying She storms off like you don't know what you're talking about, Mom, I hate that

you're ruining this for me. And then when she calls and Lindsay answers, in a moment, she realizes what she's done and that Morlay is right. Jackie, can you pull up the script again? We went through it like way

too fast. There's some really important things in there. And Scott, I think that you're coming to this from a place of such a being such an incredible parent, right, Like we've all talked about it like your most important, yeah, mission on this planet is to be a dad, right, And so I think it's why you're feeling so much pain for Rory, right because I think that you're you feel what your child feels, right like you're this incredible dad like for people listening, like Scott is the kind

of parent that like you can't we can't even describe it in words like he is so it's his biggest life, Like I believe you would do anything, you die for your kid, right, Like dare I say it all in? All in, I think any parent is. But I just don't think it's I think that this kind of thing gets passed down. Now, Rory's going to do this to her kid. Emily did it to her, she did, Laureli is doing it to Rory. Rory's going to do it to her kid. And I don't think it's okay, breaks

an erotic chain. Let the child deal with it, Daniel, take your headphones off. Scott. I like what you're saying because I think this is such a pivotal moment in Rory's life. Now. I can't explain if it why, but we all know in the movies that Rory has not achieved what we sort of thought she would, right, And I'm wondering if this isn't one of the pivotal moments that took her sideways, especially you know how we're talking

about that she's devolving. Like, I agree with you on that now, I don't want to I'm not blaming Laureli there. I'm blaming maybe Rory's bad decision making whatever. So we

will debate that as time goes on. Scott, I think one of the things, and forgive me for saying it, is that because you are such you're such a I don't know what the word is for the type of parent you are, but like you're such a good parent, right, But I think it might be clouding your judgment here with I do think Lorelai handled it really well because she's saying, I scroll down a little bit. Whoever can control this thing? I think it's so important when she says,

here we go, she wants to take Rory's side. She wants Rory to stay to her. Yes, he's getting divorced, he's moving out, he has a lower and they've divided up the Monster Truck tickets. But Rory says so she asks her that because I think if Rory would have said, yes, he told me they're getting divorced. You know, they're working it all out as we speak, Lorela might have been like, all right, but what she says, we didn't get around to discussing everything, you know what. And then the ring

thing is such a gut punch. She's like, is he wearing his ring? He took the ring off when they slept. You know what? This is? This is a classic case so bad. This is a classic case of of of a mother being jealous of their own daughter. No, okay, let me let me because jealous because she got she got into Yale, and she's finding deep love and she's asserting her independence all at the same time in the house. So she perceived that to be disrespectful to her. No,

And I think that's lorealized dysfunction. I have a I have a note on that, because I mean, as we've seen the last four seasons, there's always parallels between Lorlai and Rory. I don't think she's jealous Lorla. I don't think he's jealous of Rory. What I think is understanding and and Rory makes this point by you know you did this with dad and she Mary when Sherry was pregnant, which was out burn. But Lorala did this right, So like we do have to understand this did happen to

Lorala and it crushed her. It literally physically crushed her because she doesn't want that for her daughter. You know what I mean saying Lola didn't know her, but she need but or not she was pregnant or not, he was with her, she didn't know that. No, they were on the outs. This is so I'm getting so mad about this because I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I'm not. They Sherry and Christopher were sort of

it was not they were. They were together, and they got back together because Sherry called Christopher to say I'm pregnant. So any that Rory making that argument today today, today, what years ago. I'm getting so upset. I'm gonna let you're right. I take it back. That was such an incorrect low blow the bride to make and just made her seem more idiotic because it's like, that's not even correct.

That wasn't they weren't together. How does Laura expect Rorya to behave in some kind of puritanical way or a correct way. You're bitanical without setting the example for it in her in her how she lives her life, doesn't date Mary an example? Is she setting scar Max Medina, Hello, those chickens are coming home to roost. There's been some inappropriate things going on. Yes, that's her teacher. She wasn't respecting Rory's space at all. Now she's doing it again.

How do you expect your daughter to learn the lessons on how to behave in extraordinary situations if you're not setting the proper examples. Were boundaries were her boundaries? They're not. I'll give you part of that, and that you could be right that Rory made this choice because Lorelai didn't teach her better. But Loreli is not crossing boundaries by saying to her kid, who she just caught having sex with a married guy in her house under her roof,

Like that is not okay. I don't think Lorelai is a perfect person, right. I think that's the point of this scene. Like, I don't think Rory gets to be Look, Rory did what she did. She slept with Dean, she did it. But all that her mom is doing is pointing out to her he is married. This isn't good and guess what. Loril's right, because Rory went to call her boyfriend that she just lost her virginity too, and his wife answered, I don't understand how we argue that

any different way Rory blew it. Rory screwed up, Like, how do we argue that she didn't screw up. Nobody's arguing that she didn't that she didn't screw up. That's not the point. The point is how Lauraa handled it. Yeah, I mean, I thought Laura handled it perfectly, but I can respect that. I respect where you're coming from in that. I do think it would be interesting if Laura handled it differently and said this is major. We need to

talk about this tomorrow. And I totally appreciate what Danielle is saying too, where she's like, this is our first time, this is a mess. That's what I'm saying. This girl needs to go straight to therapy. This is a mess. Yeah. Yeah, Well if she goes to therapy, then we don't really have a show. Imaguarian therapy totally. But it puts such a damper on the Luke Lorelai thing too. I agree. I do agree with that we're on this high right which we haven't even talked about this yet. Like we're

on this high, this amazing moment, amazing moment. And here's the other thing. Scott Patterson slash Luke Danes. You know who does right? Luke? Luke does it right. He was not He was not going to go try to kiss her when she he thought she was still with Digger. He says to her, I'm doing everything right and you're still with Digger. He would have never made a move on her. That's the thing. It's like, yes, there are parallels,

and Luke is awesome and Dean sucks. Luke would have never he wouldn't have done He was heartbroken because he's saying, I waited, I did this right. I'm giving you all the signs. He's a grown he's a grown ass man who's a borderline agoraphobic, uh, you know, and social social anxiety disorder. I mean, come on, man, you can't compare the two. But I yes. But that's the beauty of the show is you get this high and then you get this drama and you get this you're feeling all

of the time throughout the episode. It's like wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, I'm not I'm not. I love watching it. I loved watching the scene. I'm just yeah, you know, spitball a little bit here, that's all just throwing that in. So now we can move. What did you think? Well, I want to know what the k the kiss? Are we there? Now? Are we there? Now? I mean I think so I'm exhausted by the Rory thing. Yeah, well, I mean I

still think we need to dive into Digger. Just raining on the parade and then Richard all right, all right, okay, okay, and Emily all right, yeah that's all right, so let's burnt back it up. All right. So and I think I think I think Digger handles that that un un unforgivable or or or less than appealing role very very well. I think Chris Agaman really because that's a character you just like get out of it. But man, yes you respect. I kind of like coming back, coming back, but I

supported it. I was like, yes, he's got a right and he's got a feeling too, and he's expressed him coming back. But he should have been his truth. Man. I think your life said get out of here, and only it was the right time. It was. It's like the timing was everything when she said, like, come back later this weekend, we'll chat. He should have left, but it was her place of work, and I don't think it was. But tim it looks like the only thing that was timed well somewhat was the kiss. That's the

only thing that was really timed right. Everything else was true. Oh boy, but crazily it actually loved about when Digger came and Lord Laig brings him his plate of food or whatever, and they're talking, but you see Luke just watching just so yeah, he's like, what is going on over there? And who is this guy? I love Luke for going and sitting down with the guy and and calmly having a conversation like what's your deal, dude? Like what are you doing? Who are you? What are you doing?

And then you don't fly off the handle and act insane. You know, he already did that with U with his wife. Oh yeah, that's true. But that was justified. Though I thought I thought he was gonna, you know, pull out another pair of socks. I didn't realize that there is a lot. There's a lot we haven't covered. Okay, so the Gilmour's arrived with all their luggage. Let's play that through. That's a hot mess, right, they are a hot mess. Yeah, you know, and she finally admits they're separated. This is

like the confirmation that they are indeed separated. Right, Speaking of messes, I just love that Luke arrives with the flowers, and a Lie is still just so flustered, and Luke is very cool. He's like, okay, like he's really he's he's yeah, he's under undercover Joe. He's like he's playing a little too cool, isn't he. It's like, you know, he's being romantic, but he's not compon to it, which is he hasn't worn a flannel or something like all

of a sudden, Luke's got game. He's got game time a hundred wow with the flowers, but not sort of like, no, it's not a romantic things to say congratulation from the opening up, here's some flowers, beautiful flowers. I'm gonna plant one emulator. But he didn't say it, you know, Oh, he nailed it. I also think there's some really major face acting if we want to peek at it, when Tom comes in in the suit and then we see Luke with Babette and Miss Patty and there's just face

acting going on all over the place. Oh because her robe opened, Oh my god. Well yes, but then you have a glance with each other that I thought, oh wow with the look. Yeah, that's some that some baller face acting, as you would say, right to borrow a term baller face acting, right then, baller that was just like staring right at her. I mean, okay, so a little more okay, yeah, here comes the face. That was the moment she knew that she is so cute. Look

how cute she is. He's got and Jackson's got the Credence shirt on, and Rory and Jackson are eating their dinner together and it's just also sweet. Wasn't it great to see Jackson once again? There's still good to see Jackson. Some randos that got let in randos like who are those randos? Like those two people, oh Tom in the suit? Okay are those two randos? Like they invite it? There? Okay, here it comes. So there's face acting right after this.

The robe bit was hilarious. Couldn't relate to two characters more than the Bet and Patty in this scene their robes. Like yeah, but there's so much face acting. See look at that that. Oh my god, oh my god, rewind rewind rewind the face acting between the two of you. Did you guys go to the school for face acting, because look at that, you're literally having a conversation with your eyeballs. Oh my god, that was it. That's an Emmy Award winning face acting. Okay, so then here comes

We're still deal with the like servers whatever. But then idiot Jason comes and I like digger, but like, it was weird. If somebody did that to me and showed up, Like, imagine somebody comes to jingle Ball to have a conversation with me, I'd be like, what that is a man in love? That is a man in love who wants somebody's trying to support her and like and no, he

couldn't take it anymore. He was sitting in his apartment staring at his plan for two make her like, oh you sew my parents and now you show like it was a whole thing. And I like that she said it to his face. He was he was just getting used to show the audience how desirable she truly is. I love that bet Bette knew the whole thing and she does the quick one minute catch. Luca the whole thing. It reminds me. Have you guys seen Frozen Frozen in two? Yeah,

you know, and Frozen two. When Olaf tells the whole story of Frozen, one really asked, yeah, like that's what beat Beet's doing. She's like, so, first of all, sidebar, what do you think of them all playing the games? The board games? It was cute, it was fun breakfast. I wanted to figure out what all those games were,

but we can do that later. I will say. The one thing that I noted about this episode was like when Laura I asked Rory to go get music, Like, by the time the music comes back, doesn't matter what happened. Everyone's going to bed. The night's over, and she's like playing and she was like at the house, like playing back the CDs to pick one. I'm like, just grab a couple of night and then she decides to quickly have sex, Like so yeah, first of all, that's not

taking ten minutes, right right right? Wait, we're lor you know, we're Lorly Rory staying at the anner were they supposed to stay back at their house. There's no rooms. I think they're going home. They're going home, Okay, that's what I thought. I also um thought it was a little peculiar to me, and I kind of get we get a glimpse of it, like why weren't the Gilmour's at dinner and like why are they not noticing Jason? But I guess she like sent dinner to their weird cottage

or something. Yeah, why didn't they come to the dining room because she because Laura I wanted them to be together to work it out, and in the bungalow way from everybody else the TV you can't find and in the closet. Yeah, Like I'm like, I think she might even have says something about like and then you send dinner to the room whatever. So we sort of have that blow up to where that you realize, oh man, they're a mess. They're not together, they're separated. We finally

have that out in the opening they see Jason. It's just like, oh god, this is so You're like, how many more people can walk in h I was glad too, it didn't become like a Threese Company episode of like, like, I'm glad they didn't do like Luke thinks she's with Jason and goes home. Do you know what I mean, like that would have been like the one with the misunderstanding, Like I can't stand it. I like that lad get out. Yeah, You're like and you're taken and she's like, I'm not taken.

It's like I'm doing everything right, you know what I'm doing. And then the kiss that was quite something, you know, the whole Now, just think about in this episode, not not the prior or seasons, not excluding that, but just look at the steps, you know, the little baby steps to get to that scene. You know what I'm saying, how many artfully crafted misdirection, confusion, how's this happening? And like I thought you were with this guy and what's

going you know? I mean, it's just it's just so amazingly well written, you know, because it's just like, man, they take such care to craft things you don't expect, right because now here weren't like like the moment before the kiss, they're you know, he's kind of going at her like what the hell? You know, it's like almost an argument. I mean, it pretty much is. And it's just such a great way to ramp up to it. And but you just don't expect that, you know, really great.

I like how they're sort of truthful, like I like how they're whatever transparent, Like I don't know if there are parallels between Dean and Rory and Luke and Lorely, and it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna go Luke and Lorily, Like Dean and Rory are so irritating to me compared to the like amazing I'm going. I'm going. I'm going with both of them. I love them both. The one thing I found interesting was, and Scott just brought it up that like all these moments leading up to this,

like I can't imagine a show right now. Well, first of all, the shows these days don't have twenty three episodes. They're at like ten, but like we've been through four full seasons to get to this moment, Like most shows can't even make it to like season two or three, and like you're here at the end of season four.

It's like, oh, like I didn't watch it, and it's like I think I watched like the later years and it's run original run, But like I can't imagine sitting there for four years, week after week, just waiting for them to kiss on the night on the they finally get a kiss on the ninetieth episode. Oh my god, ninety episodes. That's crazy. And that's why I bring not that these poor people back in the two thousands had to wait three months to see what's gonna happen. What

did they wait for? And here's the biggest shock of the whole thing. You know, I'm just an actor in a series who got lucky, and I'm taking this great ride, right and I'm getting this great writing thrown at me and I get to act out these great scenes with these great actors. And then it's twenty three years later and I'm seeing Time Magazine, I'm seeing Hollywood Reporter, I'm seeing Rolling Stone, I'm seeing the top ten best kisses in television history, and I'm in there, And how did so?

Is it? Because you know, I'm so damn appealing and such a great kisser. No, it's because the creators took ninety episodes to get us there. They took the audience along for the ride, and they will never forget it. No, they will ever their whole lives. They're going to reference Luke and Laureli first time. It's so crazy. That's the first time I've actually really thought about the fact that, like,

you're on those lists. What is that? Like, it's wild, it must be cool, absolute mind, you know what it is? I see that and I go, how did I fall into that? You know? It makes me think you hear Henry Winkler like talk all the time, right, like he's that guy is just amazing. He's so nice. It's just amazing, right, and he's winning Emmys for Barry Right and Golden Globes and all these awards. He never dismisses being the fawns. He embraces it. He loves it. He'll sign a picture

the fawns. Like, I just think that that's such an important like cool lesson and just like yeah, right, like remember what got you there? Yeah, and you got a place. Don't try to run away from it. And so many actors do that. No, I'm going to ruin my career if I keep you know, it's like, hey, man, honor it. Respect. Yeah.

So I don't know, I think that, like I don't want to get all like oh, you know, woo wooie hippie dippie whatever, but like you played a character that is going to that's lasting so long, like like maybe forever, do you know what I mean? Like I was thinking about this this morning when I was getting ready for the show. It's like this was twenty plus years ago, right, or was this just nineteen years ago? This kiss? Okay,

it plays as well today as twenty years ago. Like I was, like, other than the weird CDs and a couple of weird cell phones, for the most part, it's timeless. And it's like, oh my god, I mean I'm not I mean, I mean, could you I'm not saying it's Burt Lancaster and uh gosh, don't hate me for not remembering the actress. But that kiss on the beach and from here to eternity. Yeah, we'd obviously never seen it. I just ate crowd. Yeah, I must be such a And this is like I've seen this scene so many

times of that kiss. Also, unfortunately, I've seen so many times the um the Dean Rory one because it's just so cringey. It's so cringey and uncompass. But whatever that kiss is like on my TikTok all the time. It's just as like around today, I mean, Milo is doing interviews for his new show and is asked about Jess in almost every interview, Like, oh my god, they asked him the other day if he was team Jess or

team the guy from This Is Us? Although he kids Jack and then they said are you Rory or what was Jack's wife's name? Um, repect Rebecca And he picked Rebecca, which was a little bit of a dagger. Oh really, I think Mila loved This Is Us. Brought him all the accolades and the yeah and the sure. He tells some funny stories about fans that are like, I hate you over Jess anyway, I don't know. I'm like, so, I'm so happy and so sad in this episode. Well,

look the experience. I don't remember. I do remember the kiss. I remember playing that scene. I don't remember the scene that preceded it. I don't remember anything about that episode that I filmed. Yes, I don't remember a thing, but I do remember the kiss, and I just remember being

and the both of us. You know, you know, such a good kiss, because I think it's three kisses, right, yeah, I mean, if she ever comes on, if Laura ever comes on, if she can find time and her busy, very busy schedule to come on and talk to us about it. Um, you know, this is the second part of the kiss. We were both watching very very very nervous. We knew that this was a big moment. Yeah, we knew that we had to deliver for the for the fans,

you know, and I say, bravo. You know it was it was nerve wracking because then it's a three part kiss. Look at this Nope, it was about to be look at his face, and then you're still the good friend. That's the thing I love about Luke is he's literally just kissed the love of his life and he still like, I got it later guy, Like yeah, Luke is a

man of his word. Though he promised Kirk like that happened. Man, I mean this is like, yeah, I would say this is one of the biggest episodes of the whole Oh no, it's the biggest. It's the biggest. There's nothing I mean it. It's the end all, be all episode so far of the ninety this is number ninety. Is it season four? Man? And so so, so we're going into how is this only ninety if we're at the end of season four, twenty four plus twenty two plus twenty two plus twenty two,

oh equals what I think it's ninety? Yeah, twenty forty sixty eighty four times twenty two is eighty eight plus two is ninety thank you? Oh my god? One billion is nine hundred and ninety. Did we do equations? Did we do equations? Yeah? We did. And then the person that makes our social videos nailed itself. It's not an idea. It's eighty seven eight seven minute. So I thought we did twenty four the first season in twenty two, So it's twenty one, twenty two, twenty two, twenty two. We

did twenty one the first season. Okay, eighty seven, there you go, Yeah, eighty seven, all right, so it took. I guess we're gonna have to reshoot this whole episode, thanks thanks to Wikipedia. I thought it was twenty five. First thing, I could be wrong, No, twenty one, all right, Um, what do you think on this episode? Uh, we're going to assign it to our own measuring sticks? So so too. How many how many nightcares? How many? How many naked Sean butts do you give it? Remind me because we're

almost out of time to in pop culture. And if we have crackstaff, I have something for the crack staff. I'll do it, all right, Okay, So Scott who Danielle you go first. I had it as nine point seven five Macaroni and Cheeses. You deducted a quarter point What was the what was a deduction form? I didn't feel good after this episode? Yeah, you didn't last episode like I thought. Last episode was like that. Last episode was my unbeatable. This one did. I did not feel good.

You would have preferred that that it end on the night terror kiss and then that's it. You would have felt better. Yes, that's a great, great note about the open season five with that scene between Laurel. I wouldn't have been mad at it either, because I loved I loved Yeah, I just it ended and I was like, yeah, I feel very upset. I'm not gonna lie right now. I'm on a high and I'm also on a low, right right right. It really tears you up. Yeah. Wow, So you're giving it a nine point seven five one,

I'm sorry. Macaroni and cheeses, Macaronian cheeses, Ta ta what are you what you're measuring? Stick? And what are you giving it? I'm gonna give it ten CDs? Nice? And who what's CDs? Who's the artist? Oh, it's gotta be some in sync and backt there you go U nine point five nine point five either rabbit sauces or nine point five facts because the face actings. I actually will give the face acting ten, but I give the episode,

and I'm gonna give it. Am I measuring sticks gonna be Harry eyeballs because I gave Laurelia Harry eyeball but in a good sense, you know what I mean? That was like, that was quite an eyeball, right there. I give her to the double both barrels. Uh, I'm sorry, but this is a ten. And this is no flaws for me, you know, just because I want to spit ball about potential endings or you know, and pontificate on no moral objective occations and uh, has no bearing on

how I feel about this episode. I just thought, for the sake of argument, be good to bring it up. But um, yeah, I mean perfect episode and every way my favorite episode. Um, and it's not I mean take the Kiss Out. It's still my favorite episode, very very very on every level. I mean it just and it just had that sort of easy, breezy, delightful and this

and did you notice the show was so colorful? I mean all these colors were coming out of it and here we are occupying the Dragonfly and we're seeing all this great stuff coming in and what a great setup for season five. Um. Yeah, Now it's like a new show is every everything is kind of resolved and repaired, yet there's still like there's new loose sense. There's there's Richard and Emily, yes with you know, what's going to happen with Luke and Laureli, what's gonna happen with Dean

and Rory? What's going to happen? I mean, just just utter perfection. Um. This episode was written and directed by Amy. Kudos to her. I mean just just really coming into her own as a director and writer. Just you know, you know what I'm saying. Um, I still think we need a therapy session to analyze really impressive stuff, really really stuff. We might have to do that. I think, so yeah, because I want an expert to tell us about analyzing just the way Lorelai handled what Rory did

and why Rory did it. Let's have let's have that wonderful. I was going to say that the fan, the fan who's a therapist, because really and there's and yes, get her, she's she's brilliant. She's absolutely brilliant. Um, yeah, have her, you know, have her, let her see this and then she can know Pine or maybe every day she sees it right exactly, all right, So that's gonna do it. Thank you, ladies. Uh Um Tara su Danielle Romo, Amy Sugarman from her San Francisco estate. I believe we're in

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