We're Here, Lets Talk (S4 E16 "The Reigning Lorelai”)

know what. I'm still gonna show up and I'm still gonna watch an episode and we're gonna do. We're gonna do the thing. I'll tell you, man, a little Nike. Well, nice night's sleep right after this. I don't want to do the day quill because it's like it's seven that in you and I just like give my liver a little bit of a rest. But I apologize for the creepy deep voice, and I'm not mad at it. I

kind of like it. I can't really breathe right now, so your breath or your mouth mouth, so anyway, Danielle, take it away, synopsizing the way only you know how to alright? Season four, episode sixteen, The Reigning Lorelai air date March second, two thousand four. The unexpected death of Grandma Tricks devastates Richard, plus a secret letter is unveiled that sends Emily over the edge. Lorela is left to finish planning the funeral while Rory writes the obituary for

her great grandmother. Man, what do you think of this episode? Oh? I mean, we just see Emily and Richard just go downhill, but at the end that there's hope. There is hope. So I did love that. But I kind of liked seeing their demise for an episode. Yeah, like they were they were not Emily and Richard. Yeah, not at all, like we've never seen them before. Um, did you remember this episode, Scott? Did you remember this? No? Not at all, No, not even a little bit. It was look who decided

to join us. I don't even want to talk about it. Technology is so challenging. Did you have to move to twenty different spots in your house too? Well? Yeah, I'm not my mom's and I'm on the floor and then the computer just crashes. But whatever, And I don't want to be a buzz scale. But I did not love this episode, did you, guys? I mean, it's not my top but it it wasn't the worst. It was definitely entertaining for me and not my top two. But I

did I did enjoy it. I enjoyed it too well. Yeah, I mean it proves so it kind of it kind of goes against my theory that, you know, just the Gilmore stuff at the Gilmore House can can work as a standalone series. No, I'm saying no. But if if audiences had never experienced Stars Hollow before and this show just came out, it was just like the four of them and then Maids and Friends and things like that, um, it probably could have stood alone, you know what I mean?

Those those four are dynamic and interesting enough. Um, and obviously the writing team, you know, we didn't spend very much time in Stars Hollow. I didn't spend very much time at all with anybody else. It was. It was a heavy, heavy, heavy Richard Emily episode, which is you know, kind of great all on its own because it wasn't

look it was an easy episode. Not easy, but an easier episode for Lauren and alexis because a lot of the heavy lifting was being done by their parents, and so the onus is on them, and and it's nice to give Lauren and Alexis a little breather, you know what I'm saying, because and I'm not saying that they didn't have to be there all day every day, and of course they did, but um, you know, emotional emotionally speaking, it was on Richard and Emily and they hit it

out of the park and it was and it was also for me. Yeah, well, I mean I think acting wise great, Maybe I'm just like grouchy Party of One like it was because it was sad. Maybe it was because it was too sad for me, Yeah, that could be it Like Richard's mother dying, It was sad for me. I was thinking that too. Like you know, this show does death really well. But do you really want to

do death on this show? You know what I'm saying, because usually when when somebody dies on this show, and it's happened before, it's been somebody a little distant and for some they always glean the comedy out of it. Somehow you're kind of nailing it, you know, you know what I mean. And and you know, like Suki and Lauren show. I think you're nailing it because I think I think I don't want to have Danielle take her

headphones off. But I think that's my problem with it is because it really brought it too close to home for me with what happens later in the movie, right, because this isn't this kind of show. Yeah, and that was so painful, and the other shows do death, Yeah, this doesn't. This show is not about it. It's not even close to being about it, right in a sense, but when they do it, it's it was. It was

pretty good, actually, it is good. The way that Emily revealed the death was also such a Gilmore way to do it. Like I I even forgot, like I've seen this episode before, but I forgot. I was like, oh this is this episode, Like I even it was just so blunt, like, hey, have a second to talk on the phone, and your grandmother died. Yeah, it was like, okay, it kind of like three for a loop for a second. Yeah, because it was shocking too because we just bettle with

her and she was fine. Yeah. Yeah, So it was like and we knew Marian Ross was fine obviously because she's alive now another character, right, So it's like, why did they do it? Although there's reasons, Well, I feel like, do you think, excuse me, do you think it's mainly because there's so much of the storyline with like Richard and Emily and Richard because you know then not to jump ahead, but the letter comes in place. So I feel like it was more of a storyline for Richard

and Emily in their character developed more. They had to bring them back together, and they used her death to do it. Yeah, because because I don't think fans were digging, uh where Richard and Emily were going in the series, because their their beloved. You need that solid base. Yeah, you buckle up, everybody. Yeah, do we all have to take our headphones off? Now? It's not Tara but you two. Yeah. I mean, I I don't know why I think look everybody.

I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I've experienced this loss, this type of loss too many times in the last fifteen years. Um, and it's gut wrenching. It's really really tough to get through it. But um it forces you to grow as a person. It's it's but it's it's you know, when you lose your mom, there is nothing like that. Uh, it's it's horrible, and it's it's you know, how did it make I kept thinking, how is this making me feel? And how is it

making everybody in the audience feel? Because you know everybody, it made me feel terrible. So that's why you kind of don't do death in this show. And I kept thinking, is there another way something could have happened to Trixie or there could have been a different way to bring Emily and Richard together, right except for like losing like what became for me one of my favorite characters in

the show. Uh, And it didn't start out that way, but that last episode she was in, just she it was just so brilliant and I wanted more of that, you know, and now we don't. Now we can't get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that conflict between them, Yeah, I think a very useful uh nice tension added to the show. Um, you know, just my opinion. And the letter, I mean, I know, I don't know if you want to start going through

the whole episode, but the letter was so horrible. And then I don't Emily is unhinged enough for me, so seeing her so unhinged, Although it was funny the smoking and the drinking. I was like, I don't, why do I not love this? Right? Right? You're seeing a great actress um doing things we haven't seen her do before, and she's she's just so good, isn't she? And she's so funny and she's so I mean, I think of all of the talent in that cast, um, you gotta hand it to Kelly Bishop. Yeah, I mean you just

have to give it to her. I mean, she's what a fierce, fierce talent um and that was on full display in this episode. And and I see a little note here by our team that that that Kelly Bishop said to People Magazine, this is her face of an episode of the series. You can see why. Well, yes, okayause she got to come out of that that, you know, the tautness and the tightness of that role she was playing and just let it go get drunk and like,

who cared? That's what's making me think is because she was so good in the episode is maybe why I also didn't love the episode, because it was all just way too believable to me. And I don't like Richard being like that. Richard is a force. Richard is the steady, strong father figure. So maybe it was just not that it was not a great episode, it was just setting episode. It was it was definitely different. Um. I was engaged. I was engaged. I was on the edge of my seat.

I was all the great lines were coming, all the great acting was there. I mean, you're getting so much from the show, even when it's what we consider to be a little bit off center in terms of tone. Right, Okay, it's still bringing the heat. It's still engaging and great and just filled with great acting. And man, when do you ever see that, um like to that level? When did people ever get to do that? Because that's you're it's like you're watching theater or you're watching really really

good film. I just thought this was it was unlike what we're used to on Gilmore Girls. But I think that I think that the writers have trained us as an audience to expect the unexpected, and that's kind of how they write. And this was definitely unexpected, but you know, delightful. Well yeah, maybe it was also because Luke and Nicole. It was just for me, I was like, uh, there's no unhappy and stars right now, right right right. It certainly didn't have the levity, shall we say, um, it

was a different kind of humor, right, it was. It was deep, unt wrenching reels. And we come right from the very beginning of her friend dying. It's like, why is already dying? You know what I mean? Like her her friend dies, and then there's that drama and Richard isn't going to go to that funeral because he's gonna go with Mr. Himoto and Digger and yeah, and so I was like, okay, and then then they got another death. What did you find out? A little odd that, um,

you know, Richard begged off that funeral. He said he had a business meeting and a lunch golf thing with with clients with Jason, and well, what's it's like so unfeeling and so uncaring. You know, her her good right, you're a good friend passed away, right, and nobody cared. Larela I didn't care, making jokes about it. Richard didn't care, didn't want to go to the funeral. It's like, jeez man. Yeah, it was tracking though, based off the right off of

Richard's got going on right now. His work and Digger are so much more important. And look, I just want to say, it's almost like this is one of those episodes where four episodes from now, when we do that, this is going to make a lot of sense. And maybe that's what's clouding me because I'm a little dreading some of the things that are coming. So I don't know what's messing with me. They obviously I thought they needed to build another foundation to the structure and this

is it. This was it um and you know that's life, right, People get, people become invisible in relationships at times they have to sort of, you know, shout a little bit and say, hey, you know, take care of me. And that's just sort of this natural cycle of relationships in life. And you know, Emily is in one of those right now. So you're so right, Like I know that we don't like you know, death on Gilmore Girls or you know, problems between Emily and Richard because they are you know,

quote unquote the pillars of you know, the show. But I do think Gilmore Girls in general, there's a really good way of of like mirroring what's happening in life for just people, but also making it you know, a little adding a flare to it, a little more dramatic

obviously because it's a TV show. But I think people can can watch this and relate to it, you know, whether their grandmother passed away or they feel invisible in you know, their relationship, or um a relative passes away but they're not close to them, so they don't know how to feel. You know. Like all these different elements of this show. Although it does suck, it's centered around death. I think everyone can kind of find a thing that

they can relate to. It's almost like, oh, I didn't know they could do that, And look how versatile the writings, look how versatile the acting is. They went there. It's like a band. You know, some bands they're very versatile. They can do all different kinds of styles and oh, nice ballads and then heavy stuff and then cool rock stuff and some bands just do straight rock stuff or whatever.

And you know what, you're gonna get this one. It's like, this is a different type of a song that Yeah, that's that's a good analogy, you know what I'm saying. And you still like the band, but you're like, right, it deepens the experience with the band. It's like I didn't know they could do that, or they would do that, Like it was a risk, right, they took a risk

and it paid off. I thought. I just thought it deepened the show, deepened the quality of the show, and it deepened our experience as an audience of it because we're going deeper with them. Yeah. I liked loraa Lye, like she was handling everything. Well. I sort of brought it up like Digger kind of bugged. I don't know why. Yeah, that one, that one line he said where he was like someone like ever like was the one lighte he said where he was like it's a bad time my family,

where someone's dying once a month or something like that. Yeah, and when he was ten years old. Yeah, Yeah, I just thought Digger didn't really step up. He didn't really step up for Richard, he didn't really step up for lower Lie. Yeah. But do we expect him to We don't. I don't, absolutely not. I sort of always hoped he would be a really great guy. I'm waiting for the funny excuses, and I find him just bizarre and funny.

Now you know, he's like the funnier. He was the funniest guy in the episode because he was like, no, I like, you don't understand. I'm really screwed up and I can't do this when I was Tennis Like, it's like, okay, alright, this guy he's like, did you see how long that hug was? Wait? Okay, I know I'm being annoying by like trying to direct so long? Why did that? Luke and Nicole we get that kind of so, so we get the opening scene and they're eating the scargo, which

is so gross. I mean, just that scargo was great if it's done well, No, it's just that's so good. Such a Now it's Scot's like such a Yes, I've never tried it, but I want it. Oh, Tara, Tara just opened up the hole. I know you should have said that. I actually why, I'm very like, I'll eat anything, like I really do. I'll try anything, so at least once I've tried it. It's not the taste of it's the thought of it. Yeah, is it like really salty? Like the chew of it? You know, if you combine

it with a pesto like a warm pluck. I don't even like pesto. Well, let's talk about Nicole and Luke, because I feel like there's a lot there, and I feel like, Amy, you are passionate about Nicole and Luke, so you go for it. Well, I don't like it. I've never liked it. I'm ready to be done with Nicole. I actual really thought she was done. I forgot that we have to deal with this, so, you know, I'm not feeling like she could like I liked. She's fine,

she's fine. No one's right for him. So anyway, I mean, okay, fine, they're fighting. It's really annoying. They should end it. And it was a little sad when he's like, are you going home? And she's just like, yeah, no, are you going back to our place? And she's like whatever she says, what did she say? She said our place? Yeah, because it's not their place, like Luke does not stay there there. Yeah. Well right, I don't even want to know what's going

on between those two. I just wanted to end. Yeah, no one cares. Sorry, love Tricia, right, she's great. Yeah, she's a great actress and she was fun on set. It looks great. She's just great every way. But yeah, that relationship is seen better days. Man, it never saw better days. It was bad from the start. I don't know, so anyway, I'm not sure. I guess Look who am I? Who am I to judge? I'm supposed to be fired. But what it's fine. Look, we're all trying, and I'm

working on all the things that you guys criticize. I'm working on it also. Anyway, let's get back to it. So Lane is working at the diner, which I like, and how the fish pan got mixed with the eggs? I correct, Yeah, But what I actually I don't know. It's is this weird of me to get territorial because those are my lines? Right? I wanted to deliver those lines. You know what I'm saying, Lanes lines. He means, yeah, it's like, now Lane's taking my lines away from me

just because you were fighting the coal. But I want, I want, I want, Then I want Luke any line in the diner's looks, I mean, I agree, I mean you don't. They're not Lane lines. They're lukelines, and having Lane do lukelines is then Lane's not being Lane. So

it's sort of all mixed up. Yeah. I feel like when I was watching this, I felt like, Okay, obviously Rory's in Yale and they don't want to like get rid of Lane, so like they're trying to incorporate her in a different way that she can hear in every episode, or of her with the boys at the apartment. I've gotten more of that. Probably she needs money through but

we can know she works at the dinner. I think for me maybe it was too much with the death, Emily's meltdown, the letter, Richard heartbroken, and Luke and Nicole are fighting like I didn't have any Luke and lower Lie comfort. As it might be. I think that in the last couple of years, we have all been conditioned, if we're fans of TV watching UM to get ten great episodes and that's it. That's all you get per season. This order when we were doing it, was twenty two,

so it's hard. It's so hard to do twenty two. It's really hard to do, like and I think this show does it better than anybody to give you twenty two really quality episodes, even though yes we can point out some um you know, we could do a little Monday morning quarterbacking, which isn't terribly fair because we're not there in the writer's room in the moment, under pressure, taking studio notes, taking network notes, rejecting them, you know,

filing through everything. What do we do? What do we do? And then they make these decisions, and we're still getting these great episodes. So it's really tough producing, especially back then, producing all these episodes now a lot of these new ten episode arc things that one season. I don't think that these show runners are getting the level of notes

that network television gives their showrunners. I think that since they're coming from the film side, right and creating these wonderful shows, these dynamic, incredibly insightful and beautifully acting and beautifully written shows, you're not getting the kind of uh network or studio notes that one would expect. It's like, hands off. You know, we've got Oscar winning people in here, Oscar nominated writers in here. You know, f off, We're gonna do what we're gonna do. You're gonna and that's

the way it is. So it's it's um So I thought they navigated. I thought Gilmore, the Gilmore writing staff navigated this stuff beautifully because it's well, it's really hard to do back then. I'm able to separate myself and say, just because I didn't love it doesn't mean it's not an amazing episode. I think it was an amazing episode. Yeah, I think I maybe it was just in the headspace or it was too two. It almost just made me think too much, and I didn't like where my head

was going. Right, It's not what this show does best, but it proved that it can do it if call upon to do it. And what did you think of no, go ahead, go ahead? I mean, what did you think of sort of incorporating a little bit of Yale into this episode with the paper and Doyle. I enjoyed that stuff. Yeah, I didn't mind that. I could have done without it. I'm over. I'm over Doyle, Like well, oh no, really, guys, Doyle is going to be around. He just is. Like

so I will say, like, I don't like Doyle. Here, I don't I I like Doyle. Fine, if Rory starts dating Doyle, I'm going to be mad. Not saying anything, but again, if they if they cut to a Yale scene, the pull is the pull away from death and into life and you know, and youthful life and energy. It's really strong and you want to stay there so you don't want to leave, and then you go back to death and it's like, you know, but you're so yeah,

so interesting. You bring that up too, because I thought, and I don't know, i'd be interested to take a stop watch. I felt like the death anything with the death storyline, the scenes felt long, and the other scenes, the diner scene, the Doyle scene, the Suki scene, they

all seemed so short to me. So I don't know if they were they actually were shorter, or if it was just like I was getting these brief breaths and then I had to go back to the terrible and then I'm already feeling terrible, and then the letter, I'm like, oh my god, And now I don't like Tricks. I mean I always thought she was sort of like, we have so much to talk about, Okay, go to Suki. You know who I did love in this episode, Michelle, Yeah,

he's always great. Anyone else look up mock turtle soup? I think I did. But what I'm confused about is they say turtle next soup? Did they not? Well, Richard did Emily did? I think she misunderstood from Richard and that's why they're like, do you mean mock turtle soup because it doesn't correct, and she's like, what is turtlenext soup? Like that does not I think that was just didn't exist. I think he was supposed to be a funny joke. Yeah,

it was like Emily didn't know what it was. Like, clearly she doesn't cook, she doesn't know what these things are. And then that's why Suki was like, oh, you mean mock turtle soup? Is it like chili mock turtle soup? I looked it up and and yeah, it kind of looks like that. It's it's almost like a beef stew soup. It doesn't look It contains chicken thibe and beef and is filled with tomatoes, eggs, onions, and peppers. I'm not

mad about it. That could be one variation. Oh it was an article saying eat like a Gilmore mock turtle soup? Do you really? Yeah to me? Yeah, that's right. I'm still waiting on some pillows and shirts and things like that which I'll never can thank you. Oh yeah, I haven't gotten mine either, Scott, don't you feel bad getting soon? Yeah? And James pettit's on it too. We've been emailing with him getting some more merg So okay, I did like Suki.

I like how they reacted very appropriately to the situation. Yeah, they were like, we're here for you. Michelle was so cool and even the hug and then the funny joke and let's not do that again. The whole thing. I thought that whole scene that felt good, and Michelle was trying to find the dog show all that. I was

like that. But it also let us know as an audience that we're gonna push the pause button on all of these characters, every single one of them, because the showcase is going to be Richard had a little bit uh, Lauren, Yeah, you know, this is this is who we're dealing with. So we're gonna, we're gonna we're gonna do that to the rest of them, and we're going to stay here,

which is which is you know, kind of fine. Right, everybody needed to rest, and it was a chance maybe for Amy and Dan to see what they could whip up for Kelly um and here I go again, here again, still be ignored by the Academy. You want to tell me they were better performances than what Kelly get Bishop gave. There weren't, So maybe that was just sort of a measuring and Richard, I mean, like Richard in this episode

was just so incredible, That's what. So we just get to that scene where Laura and Laura Lae brings in the soup and Richard's on the couch, and that's when you're just like, oh my god, this is brutal and he's so sad, and then he has that regret and it's just like, which is a very again another thing

somebody can relate to, like this is morbid. But like anytime I see my parents and if I get into a fight with them, I cannot let them leave until totally we're okay again and happy and giving each other a hug. Kill that stress, that the thought of what happened to Richard stresses me out, like I I don't I don't know. I totally agree, And maybe that's why it was so upsetting, Yeah, because you you started thinking

about all those things. So I almost was like removed from the show because I started thinking about so many real life things. I don't know if that was my problem, probably because it made you actually sad. You know, you're not. You're not sad at Emily and Richard. You're sad at like how it's actually reality and even in your own life too. We're normally and I think Scott, we've talked about this. It's like with Gilmour girls, you're so did

I forget everything happening around me when I'm watching it. Literally, sometimes I'll be like, I'm just gonna watch twenty minutes and then I'm like, oh, the whole episodes over, whereas this one I kept taking me out, maybe because I was like, oh, that happened to me. It wasn't. It wasn't the escapism that we have grown accustomed to. And when Doyle said he goes to call his grandpa or grandma,

that happens to me all the time. So I think maybe it was just too many, like real life things were coming in my head because I always try to call my grandpa always. I don't know, maybe that was

the thing. I think so Amy, if it pulled a real life you know, sadness from you and it put you in that in that headspace, I mean, Luke, oh my god, wow, Scott, Scott, you had that with with um, your sister, and you talked about that and how you were just so upset that episode and that hits such a real life moment for you and real life parallel and Amy, that's what this episode is doing for you, you know, And then you know, Emily, she was eighty six. Tricks was eighty six, so it was like great life

mm hmm. And then I think the pain for Emily. Emily is running around like a you know, trying to do everything and on her all her wishes when it's like, oh my god, this woman. It was so awful. Do you imagine what the show would have been like had Tricks been a series regular and it was structured like Tricksie and her brood and then Richard and Emily and too much Tricks. You can only take her in small time. I mean the fact that Tricks married her second cousin.

We talk about that she was so Gilmore. She's like, I'm just gonna be a Gilmore Gilmore and I and I love that it can come up. I think also those phone calls. So then we have the phone call where Lorely calls Rory and they sort of chat, because you can't just be like, oh, hey, your grandma died, like would you almost like why the way Emily, like that's how Emily did it, So I think lourely, I

didn't want to do the same thing to Rory. Emily it was better because it's like when someone says, oh, I need to tell you something, you have that moment of pure and total like that, Ah, that is the worst. But there's like no other way to preface it. I don't feel Hi, your grandma died. Yeah, it's either the way Laurea I did or the way Emily did it, Like there's no one between. Yeah. And then Rory trying

to sort of grapple with how she was feeling. I'm not crying, shouldn't be more sad, Like I was just getta know her, like, oh, that's funny. At least a person called her what she loved and told her right, yeah, uh, some family experience, you know, they get an email or they got a phone call from a police officer. Oh god, oh god. Yeah, and it was there were still good moments of levity to where they were like, oh, well, you've worked yourself up into a nice panic attack. Rory

was very relatable sort of how she was dealing. That was very because this is not even her. This is her great grandmother, so it's like who she didn't even know that like, and then her wanting to learn about her and wanting to help. I did love that she learned about It was a kind of weird things she learned about her great grandmother more through like researching for her obituary than talking to her. But I feel like

that in a weird way. Really, I saw a bond between Richard and Rory and this episode more than and I've always known he's had like a special connection with her, but this episode, I was like, oh, they are. They are very connected totally. When she said I've got your back, like, if you need me to do it all, I can do it yea and tie his tie, Hey, grandpa, you're not wearing your shoes like and having a piece of paper and he's yeah, Like she took care of him

in a different way of this episode. Yeah, And I was happy when Richard got it together. Yeah, I'm only was still unhinged. He started to get it together a little bit more, and then she really got it together for the funeral, thank god. Yeah, I mean I'm skipping ahead, but it was very sweet when that scene where she talks about make sure he eats, and then he acknowledges it, Yes, a woman with a tray is coming over to me

every eight minutes you're doing. And then they are sort of reunited, and and Rory and lower Lie or maybe it's just lower Lie. It's so happy to see that m hmmm. Well, and the main part of that was that Richard was like, I'm you know, I don't think she belongs on our mantle. I think she should be married next to next to dad. And Emily was like, um, but she you know, she had her request and then he was like, well, no, like I think she should

be very next to dad. And then you know, Emily was like, whatever you want, Richard, and they like she just you can just tell she was like, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. And we don't even know that Richard knows about the letter. I don't think he does. Do you think he doesn't? Um, Well, if he doesn't, if he's not aware of the letter, he's certainly aware of her feelings about right, he's aware of the letter because he got the letter, but he's

not aware that Emily now knows about well. Do you think that he, like, he could have also completely forgot about the letter. You know, I didn't remember he saved it. It's one of those things where he like threw it. Do we know if she even gave him the letter? Like, do we know that? We're assuming because that's a carbon copy? Do you guys know what that means? Yeah, they don't know, like an exact copy. Yeah, well, because it was written

on carbon paper. So back in like the day, you would write something on this paper and then it would keep a copy of it, like you know your checkbook. You yeah, yeah, I get that, but they don't really know. I know, I know what Yeah, yeah, I didn't know. Shout out to Easton. That's what CC means and emails is it? Yeah? Carbon carbon copy? Me, oh, I don't know that. That's so. Is BCC blind? BCC is blind copy. I didn't know that a carbon cop. I shouldn't say this.

Actually I'm going to be a little bit more vague. But it was an email that went out where I think everyone was supposed to be b C c oh no, and everyone was c seed no. You're going through the list going well, just on this do I have it? I just haven't read it yet. It's like the other thing that everyone does and don't act like you don't. When you get someone's address immediately, you're all zello zello within point oh five seconds, like immediately, coffee in her

house like so much. I got invited to the houseworving party and I was like zillo zila, that thing the second I got the housewarming party invite. Oh my god, I'm mad at you. When they're like sold off market and you're all a really good price, I'll do that, Oh my god. Everyone. You know what's interesting about Punel and Lot. She was in one episode, right, she is referenced. I think actually you can even find out how many times she's referenced. She's referenced so many times in this show. Yeah,

she was. I agree with you. I thought of that too. I'm like, how did she only appear once in this such a presence in this to show? Um? Yeah the bomb? Yeah, okay, Scott, I have a question for you the letter. Let's just say, you know your wife got that letter from her dad, like, and you found out about it, Like, what does it like for me? Personally? I would die? Like I literally don't know how I can come back from that. Mm hmm. But Graham was already so awful and she's wrong. Richard

and Emily are meant to be so she was wrong. Well, you know, it gives us a clue. So it was like, you know, it was this sort of Lady Die and Prince Charles scenario. Camilla Parkle balls, right, it reminds you of that. Yeah, but obviously Richard was a better man at that time and understood more what he needed in his life than his own mother. Well, and Graham was

tough on him. That's the whole fight that he has so much regret about, is that she was remember when she had to bail him out, which probably was sort of fine at the time, but then calling it out this many years later and not really honoring all the success that he has had on his own. She sort of tried to take credit for a lot of the air and he was like, I paid you back within

three months or whatever the time was. Like, she was tough, yeah, and you know, at one point, do you do you do you lay down your sword and and for the for the betterment of all and for the good of the family. Uh, you know, embrace Emily and yeah, keep your shut. Yeah. It's like and she just kept coming in and coming, you know. It's like, that's why I didn't like her. It's after Emily, after forty plus years,

it's like, chill, okay, accept it, grow up totally. Stop being such a a fly in the ointment, right, It's like, okay, stop castrating your son. Stop degrading Emily in front of the granddaughter. In front of the daughter. It's like, you know, they had every reason to explode at her prior to I mean, it was just inappropriate. That's what you write that letter, right, So she writes that letter horbal letter, awful. But Richard married Emily anyway, So if you love your kid,

then you go. I said my piece, and now I must move on. But yeah, after all these years, and also the fact that it's Emily like cleaning up her estate essentially, you know what I mean, Like this person that she deemed so bad for her son is taking care of everything with her death, you know, like, just had that nice lady in that pretty suit do everything exactly, Like why is Emily even in there? Just have that nice lady who who's packing up the house just do everything. Yeah, yeah,

well then you don't get that scene right exactly. How about grand met three presidents? Pretty good? Okay? Can we go back to the fight with Nicole and Luke. The one thing that I thought was so hysterical was the entire diner it's quiet listening. That was good and Kirk saying he can read lips and first of all, yeah, my other question is, what is it? A chef salad? Our chef salad? Does anyone order a chef salad anymore?

I feel like they order a cob salad. A chef salad is kind of like a cop, right, That's what I was bad cob. I think I ordered a Greek salad last night. Greek sp It's a great call. That's very current. Chef salad seems so it's like it's like the B version of a chop. It's a B version. It's a that's meant to say, have a cop. Yeah, it says it's lettuce, it's Swiss cheese, bad hay um, turkey or chicken roast, beef, my god, it's a meat salad,

meat salad. And then there's eggs, avocado, tomatoes. God does anyone when have you guys ever ordered a chef salad in your life? I don't think so. Maybe I like a good cob. I love the Yeah, I love a chop. We know. I hate to miss I've missed out on salad conversations before I thought of getting involved. Welcome to I am all salad. It's a lot of meat and I don't know that Swiss cheese in a salad. I gotta call that little chef rider. He's got a lot

to do. He's gonna have a taste turtles, turtle soup and a chef sal He's busy. He's a busy week. Jackie came in with a question. Oh yeah, Jackie, what was that question you had about what I was going to bring up? Yeah, she said, without knowing Marian Ross played Maryland, which is Richard's cousin. Would you have noticed it was the same actric actress as Trick? It was? It was. It was very jarring. Yeah. I feel like Gilmore has done that a couple of times though, so

I've noticed. I was like, just a new wig, that's all. You got new inflections. It's like, how Kirk wasn't Kirk? Not Kirk in the season season one? He were like, oh, you're right, Yeah, it was not Kirk, just for like a couple episodes. But yeah, I love that question because it's like, of course I would notice Marian Ross like, but maybe not, maybe not. I mean, we were we were on alert in the world would notice. I know

you're right, but we were especially on alert. I was waiting for her to come back because we knew that we didn't got it, Maryland, I don't know, but that's sort of had the seeds of a budding horror film, you know, all of a sudden she's back from the dead, back from the dead and standing there posing as her but his cousin, where's this going? Oh Emily in the row by the way with the drink and the cigarette. It's kind of like with the yeah they say the

rope too. Oh, the Victoria's Secret scene or the fake Victoria's Secret whatever that Laurel becomes unhit underwear and she totally just loses it with that poor salesperson, Marylyn. Isn't two episodes, We've got one? Yeah? Yeah, death makes people lose it? Who does even Laurel? I lost it? Victoria's Secret? Yeah she did, But also like what a weird thing to do out? Yeah, yeah, I don't think you. I think somebody's told you. I was gonna say, isn't someone's

drop to dress them? Like, unless there's something, there's a dress special you want to give? Yeah, you still bring the clothes. Did you guys ever see that show six ft Under? I never watched it, but I think that whole show was about I think they owned but yeah, that's like a that's quite a business. I did. I did enjoy at the end where Rory was like I did see that you put a Hello Kitty bracelet on her, like like that was so funny. Oh god, I mean

Laura I put. Yeah, but that's just the guilt, you know, that's the yah. It's a Laura I touch. We talked about the scene with Richard and Rory though. That's where we're at now. It's like such a great scene. I love fourth times the charm with the bow tie looks good. Fourth times a charm and again reference references the internet. Oh, you can find anything on the internet. I had this conversation with my I bumped into a friend the other day and she was married, divorced, married again, and I

hadn't seen her since she got married again. And the ring was like so beautiful and I'm like, you're it's amazing, and she goes, you only get married twice. That's a fourth of times. The charm reminded, um, did you think we should have seen the eulogy? Were you happy we didn't? It's kind of like all of a sudden we knew he got through it. I was fine without it. Yeah, me too. Yeah, I'm always like skip skip over the wedding, skip over the funeral. Yeah, I think it would have

been enough. We had enough already with the death. We didn't really need. Yea, this is my granddaughter, Laurla. She's not married. Yeah, there was that. Somehow Tricks said that. I forget who was telling the story, but she's like, oh. And then that was so sweet when Marilyn says, am I possibly related to you? That was that was cute. That was very cute. Did you like I liked her. I liked her. She's less annoying than Tricks slightly. What

a character. Yeah, she's fun and I like that. We heard all those stories about Tricks that, you know, like we're when she was here and there, she did this and that. I don't know, it's kind of cool. There were some epic lines when when lord lyon Emily are on the couch and she's all, how are you? My feet are killing me. How's the rest of you? Oh God? And then she says, did you were really wear those shoes to a funeral? Still the same old Emily back? Yeah,

she just had like one day she was off. Yeah, I don't know. There was some good stuff yeah, what did you think about the reigning Lorelai conversation? Interesting because Lorelai is now the rain. But I want to hear Scott h Well, I mean talk about a huge responsibility. I mean, I don't know what it even means. What does that mean? What is she carrying on? I mean she couldn't be you know, she's a hundred and eighty

degrees different from um from Trixie. Does anybody have that in their family where like they can't, they can't somebody carries on a name like I don't know, that doesn't exist in my family. There's not like me, I was supposed to be the fifth No, so's my point. It's like, what is Lauraa carrying on? What her what will her reign include? What will she how will she carry the

family name? And I know that's probably a big deal, but I mean, I mean she is also kind of I mean not yet, but the reigning Gilmore in the from her, you know, her dad's line, because they don't have another kid or anything like that, only child, one granddaughter, big responsibility. No, she's she's redefining the d NA. What the DNA is capable of? Richard Emily don't have siblings that we know of. Who doesn't Richard and Emily? Yeah, we never meet them. I mean, was I guess Richard

was an only child? Wasn't? I said, I'm looking and and Emily was an only child? Richard was because they had mentioned it. Okay, what about Emily? Emily? Emily? I don't know, but I know what Tricks mentioned. I've been feeling that Emily was a opted Really, so, Richard, Lorelei, and Rory Gilmour were all only children. Emily was not. Oh, Emily Gilmour has a sister. Hope she lives in Paris, France. Really, yeah, Emily has a sister. She's mentioned in season one, episode eight.

We must have forgotten it was my mother's name. Oh really, it's name. Why did Richard and Emily have only one child? They had fertility issues? Wow, they would have had a lot of value placed on their bloodline. They would not consider adoption a viable alternative, which maybe is another reason Tricks doesn't like Emily didn't produce enough airs. How old was Emily when when Rory was born? Emone has a complicated relationship. Wow, the internet is just I could do

a deep dive here for days. To get a question, and then it gives you a more quick Why is Bebett's house so small? Does Rory have a half sister? Yes, we already know that. Wow, this you could just really go on and not we could do a whole episode of this. Let's do one day. We're gonna just type gilmore questions into the internet and just do I hope Danielle didn't hear that. Just now, by the way, is already born. Okay. I was like, no, one Flint and I was like, oh Danielle, no I thought. I was like,

I was like, oh, no, Sherry had a baby. I forgot the house after she saved enough money from working at the Independence In. Most of the furniture, including the beds, are discarded pieces from the Inn courtesy of Mia Wow. I mean, all right, what do you what do you let's rate this? What do you what do you want to give it? It was, by the way, it was so funny. I saw a comment saying, why didn't you guys rate last week's episode in costco membership card. Okay,

I have two ideas. We can't either rate it turtle turtle or mock turtle soups or what about class car glasses or yeah, what about s car go mock turtle soups? Is what's hitting it for me? But Chef, why don't we just give it our own like that? How you pick your own? Okay, good, pick your own. I say eight out of ten, Hello kitty bracelets. I'm gonna say seven point five, Hello kitty bracelets. Seven chef salads, seven let six and a half chef salads. Wow, you really

like it? Um, I'm gonna give this Uh, I'm actually going to award it an extra point for being so bold as to go where no man has gone before, exploring new planets and planetary solar systems. Um. They explained they went to explore death in the starship, and I kudos to them for doing it. So I was going to give it um seven point five, but I think I'm going to add a point for exploration and risk taking.

I love risk taking. Um, So I'm gonna give it not only an eight point five, and I'm gonna give an extra point four points for the Emily performance, and then another point four points for Richard's performance, so that we're up to nine point three now, and are you giving it nine point three? What's bar classes that was a more important question? Or nine point three open bathrobes? Do you know that I learned on TikTok that everyone

is doing their bathrobes wrong? Wait? Why? Okay, so you know you've got your bathrobe right, and you know there's that like rope or tie and people put it through like it's a belt. Right, They put it through the one loop it around their back and put it through the other thing and tie it. Nope, you're supposed to put it just through the front. So you put the bathrob on and you put it through the one on the right, and then you don't go around your back.

You just put it across your stomach and you tie it there. And what's the point of all the loops? There's only two loops. No, there's always one on your back. Incorrect, So listen, I hate to cut into this fascinating diet at my room. I am all rope talk, but the crack staff has unearthed some very interesting, very interesting observations or this episode. People don't want I am off chef talk and I'm all road talk. We'll be back. Don't you want uh this? No? No, no, we're definitely gonna

it'll be a thing. Yes, the road talk quite riveting. Uh. This episode features several actors who have previously appeared as different characters. Of course, there's Marion Ross, who previously played Tricks and is now playing cousin Marylyn. Tiffany Frasier appears as the sales clerk in the lingerie store. She previously appeared as a hostess at the bar that Emily and Laurel I went to during their spa trip in season two episodes right exactly. Uh. Charles C. Stevenson Jr. Plays

the reverend that comes to town for Grants funeral. He also appeared as one of Richard's golf buddies in season one episode three, Kill Me Now, and spoiler alert, he will show up again in a year in the life. Ye. At twenty nine minutes exactly, look outside the diner window. You can see Miss Patty just standing there, waiting for her cue to enter the dinner. At nine minutes that they do. They're freaking good man. Uh. At one, while uh Luca Nicole are arguing, Miss Patty is sneaking a

taste from the marmalade jar. At thirty, here we go, what do we have? Okay? We got twenty nine? Oh yeah, that really takes an eagle eye because you could have play it, Jackie, so I can see if she's staying, like if she like moving or let me tell you something. And the correct staff is so juiced up on Scotty Peace. Oh yeah she was the seconds. Yeah, go back, go back, so we can see her go back, yep, Okay, let's see it here. By the way, that kid had the

funniest line of the episode. Yeah, we're looking at the news at the paper. Okay, you're just standing like as long as she walked around the corner, and she's just like, that's really classic. What's crazy is when we go back again, Jackie, when we watch these you really look at all the extras out the windows that you would never notice, but like they're there. Do you think she was supposed to be behind like the green pillar? And yeah, and she was just like two steps back. Is that the chef

salad on the table? No, that looks like a that looks like a club sandwich? Okay, all right. At UM thirty two thirty five, in the scene where laurel Ie visits the Longest Race Star, keep an eye on Lauren right after she says the mayflower for a quick second, it appears she breaks character and suppresses a laugh with her hand, but she recovers and moves on with the scene. I feel like that was acting. We're gonna have to examine that. We're gonna have um all right, crack staff

has let's see see can we see it again? We couldn't tell anything anyway, alright. Favorite lines from the crack Staff, uh kirk. I don't know why everyone in this town always thinks I'm crazy. They enjoyed that. Also another one favorite line Emily talking about the wake because personally, I think she would just toss some cheese cubes in the coffee stuff, some toothpicks in her mouth, and let the people go to town. Yeah that was good too, all right,

thank you, crack Steah, well done. Indeed, like kids, I think that's it. We're gonna anyone else have favorite lines? I did mine. I had one. It was when Rory said it was my great grandmother. I dropped the grate to make it sound sadder true, just like you could tell she was just like felt so bad, like lying about it. You're gonna go ahead and give mine. Give one from Nicole when she is like I was in the middle of the word september. I thought he was like,

I thought we were done. She was like I was in the middle of the word september. Irritates Nicole. I mean, I don't know. I said some of them, but this wasn't my favorite. But it didn't make me chuckle. How when at Victoria's secret Lore like really said she's dead. So many times she's dead? That was really God. Wasn't there something about nuts with extra nuts or was that my line? I kept writing down these people are all nuts with extra nuts. What's up in the episode? Where

did I write that? I don't remember he wrote that? Good writing? Don't write it is um? Alright, kids, that's gonna do. We're gonna wrap this up next episode, Season four, episode seventeen, Girls and became these boys doing the twist? Do you remember it? Remember? I remember? Thank you Tara, Thank you Danielle, thank you Amy. Alright, kids, thanks best fans on the planet. Thanks for tolerating my sickness, my sneezing, my coll I didn't want to talk about it, but

I feel bad for you. I'm going to go back to bed right now. I love you guys, all the best, but hey, everybody, and don't forget Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast, and email us at Gilmore at I Heart radio dot com. Oh you Gilmore fans. If you're looking for the best cup of coffee in the world, go to my website for my company, scott EP dot com. S C O T. T y P dot com, scott ep dot com Grade one Specialty Coffee. Yeah.