Trying to get divorced here! (S4 E19 “Afterboom”)

look at that, Look at that, Look at that? What do you what do you got? Amy? What do you get there? How do you not see that? I see bottles of alcohol on look down. Oh, those there's a shampoo. Those are perfume bottles that look like alcohol. Correct. But look and we've got the duel Luke's pillows over there. They really make the room pop. Yeah, the pillow is nice, you know, like designer. All right, Danielle, time to synopsize

is only Danielle Romo can synopsize? Alright? This is season four, episode nineteen after Boom air date April two thousand and four. After Jason finds out Richard is ousting him of the business. He makes a decision that jeopardizes his relationship with Laura Lai. Meanwhile, Emily and Richard are having marriage troubles because of Richard's decision. Rory is questioning her work at Yale, and here's rumors about Professor Fleming. How shuk are you guys? This season

is good. It is very good. Gauging a lot of people these are their favorite four episodes or starting a couple of weeks ago. I'm right, I'm right with him, I'm right with them. They're my favorite too. I love this one too. I really love this one. And I will say, and I'm not going to tell you where it is because I don't want to start jumping around right off the bat, but I will say I have never seen the Laureli gilmore so appealing in a particular scene which for me defines the show. And we'll get

to it. I just want to say I was completely blown away by this one little scene is pivotal scene, but one little scene, which I mean, it just knocked me out. You'll tell us when we get to it. Well, when we get to it. Yeah, yeah, but what do you guys think. What do you guys think of this episode? It was great. I loved it. I mean I love it, even though I'm like very stressed about Richard and Emily. Yeah, yeah, but I love the episode. Excellent. Yeah, no, no question.

There were a couple of hiccups here and there. I think technically speaking with the a d R or the looping. Yes, that was the stress you tell us when I didn't notice it, But but I would. I occasionally do notice that kind of thing, but this one didn't. It wasn't glaring. Yeah, there were. There was a scene outdoors in the beginning with the Rory and Lorelai where it was a lot of a d R and it really kind of took me out of the scene. I don't know that fans

noticed it so much. Um. I can always tell because I know, you know, I know when if I think, if it's atrocious, we notice it. Otherwise it's like, do they do a d R if like they the audio didn't pick up or is it like if the script like what do they use it for? Well, they do it just in case, sou you know, if the sound department says, listen, I think we need to loop these lines in these lines, and the editor agrees because of ambient noise that came in a lawn mowl or a plane.

So they're not like changing the script there were got it? Interesting? Yeah? And then you have to go in there and you have to match your mouth movements to the words that you're saying in the microphone. You've got a headset on and you're watching it and you've got the lines in front of you, and it's it's it's it's actually pretty difficult to master. But you have to watch it, but you also have to reenact it and and do the emotion. I'm doing that now on my new show, and it's

such an emotional show. Are you doing R now? Yeah? And it's better to do it while you're on set on location because you're sort of still in the character and it's easy to contract. Yeah. Now I'm like months away from it and I have to go back in there and do these emotional things, and it's a it's a lot harder to do. Yeah, it's a lot harder to do. Interesting, very yeah, So but we did. We did a fair amount on Gilmore, but they didn't use

a lot of it. They did it just in case they knew as a safety more for outdoor scenes rather than like on a set. Absolutely, what about when you said I wasn't running, I was walking. I wasn't yelling. I was talking because I was outdoor and there was a lot. No, I don't think those were I don't think those were looped lines. Those were Luke lines that were not looped. They looked legit, and I think they Luke.

I thought we went. I love this episode because it's like right away out the gate into it, Luke's getting divorced, we're at the mailboxes, etcetera. Yeah, I enjoyed that scene. That was That was great Kirk stuff, great Luke and Laurel stuff. Everybody stuff was stamps. The stamps, Laurela you go first. I want to. I want to loose the old ball stamps. Oh my god, I know, right do you guys? You buy your stamps? Like I don't just take any old stamp. No, they have to be cute.

I kind of want to, like yeah, and sometimes I SeeMe it like Halloween, it's more spooky Christmas. Don't purchase stamps, my wife. Oh my god. There's a comedian that does a whole bit about stamps, like how people don't only like grandmas know how much stamps are. He's like, does it's Nate bar Gatsy. He does a whole bit. You guys an looking at He's like, what are they like a hundred dollars of stamp? I don't know, like because like how often are you mailing crap? Once in a while?

I'm also like, I hope this is enough. Yeah, they keep raising it, so your stamps are like, you know, don't useless. They're useless anymore. And you just don't know. You don't want to go to the post office. You're like, I'm just gonna stick on three extra time. Wait. So, Luke, how do you feel about getting divorced? I mean, Scott, thanks Amy. That happens to me quite a bit. Sometimes people can't tell one from the other. You know me

better as Luke. You've spent more time with Luke than you have with me in all the years I've known you, I've only done that twice, and in the all the and we've done the show for almost two years. It's getting there and I've done that. That's a second time. We're approaching. We're approaching two d episodes, so basically once a year Amy. You know in a hundred episodes, Warner Brothers gave us a big party and a big cake. What did we give you? Hundred? A whole lot more

than that, smile Um Scott. We hit two hundred last week. No, it's already two hundred. Yeah, as guys our cake, Yes, thank you, it was beautiful, game loved. We're at two hundred. We need to do is the two hundred and first episode? Oh man, a hand for all of you, yeah and everyone listening. Thank you for all your comments. I'll never forget the sniffle comment. I'll never forget it. I did get a couple of positives this week. Now I've got Now I have a new new uh couple of paragraphs

I'm gonna put on my tombstone. He died with five thousand dollars less than he should have had, and he sniffed too many times. He slipped. He sniffled twenty times more than he should have had. That's good without nothing. So absolutely it was a very seasonal episode. It was a seasonal cold. Okay, so excuse me for fighting off nasty. I'm done with Micole because I would have given her more chances, but she cheated on you with the suck guy. It's like, but do we really know that? Is it?

I think I think right. I think you saw it and it was painful. Yeah, it could be somebody. Some there was a domestic dispute out in front of her condo and somebody, No, somebody threw a pair of socks through a window in a rage and then and then she rolled them up perfectly in her drawer. Maybe maybe she's retentive. Maybe she's the guy. Luke's the guy. Maybe it's a guy who was helping fix the stove. A stove alright, because Luke would have done that, right. Yeah,

she cheated on you. Yeah, sorry, Sorry, happens to the best of us. Yeah, but that's here's the thing. It was easier to like, I'm not that heartbroken for the divorce because I already was heartbroken on the cheating, and it's just like, okay, bye, Nicole By you were not heartbroken on the cheating. You were thrilled, and Nicole, We're not going to happen me. But I felt like Luke. I was a little sad for Luke. Yeah, It's like

I felt a little bad for him. But I don't think Luke is sad about it either, you know what I mean? I agree with Scott, what do you think? I agree with Danielle that I think Luke was a little maybe but her that she cheated and that she didn't do it the right way. But I don't think he wanted to be like that. That's humiliating, Yeah, no matter if you're in love with a person or not. It's just it's just so disrespectful. Yeah. But I think

he's really just done and he's over written. He's processed it in his lukey way, and he's moved on and he just wants it done. And it's like you didn't want to make a big old stink thing and now lower lies you go for. Although you guys will start laughing when you're all talking, because yes I have some balls. Oh my god, I wrote that down as my favorite line. Kirk is so good. And then they had a ten

minute conversation about Bewitched. We must spend time on pop culture with Bewitched, the speaking of which a devastating loss yesterday, Rack hell Welshan, you rest in peace. We want to go back and watch some of those movies my friends and I growing up. I can't tell you how many times did you love her? Oh? God, everybody did? Everybody did find Well, I can't decide if we should call this episode this podcast episode. It wasn't running, I was walking,

It wasn't yelling. I was talking or trying to get divorced here, trying to get the door. That was a great like start to the whole thing, right, but but it so wasn't about Luke this episode. So there's probably a better name for it, you know what I mean. I mean it's I know I need to break it to you, but second time were reminding you, Yeah, title everything. This is so funny, guys, because he doesn't he doesn't

think about this. Every episode of the podcast is titled with a line that you deliver from that episode, except for the couple of random episodes. Really yeah, the same reaction last time. Whose idea was that since the very beginning. Hopefully we didn't screw it up on like the very first episode, but we thought about yeah, now you've done thought of it right from the start. Well, I like the divorce line was hysterically funny. Okay, well do you

trying to get divorced here? But the funny thing is there is that like random episode You're not in and I think we titled it Luke is not in this open anyway. Okay, So that scene was great. It was great. So then we go into the diner and Laurel lies in her suit and you're fixing the toaster and oh you still the thumbing. That was funny. Yeah, and then they're kind of going back and forth. Right, there's a little bit more. There's some good Luke Laurel lie in

this yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Okay, So then this is when Jason calls and she's got the two cell phones and he feeds her the pastry. Oh god, thank you for bringing that up. That was so adorable and intimate without even trying like it was like such a nice gesture. But you're like, oh, it was really sweet. That's relationshippy. That's like they're they're in the relationship, they just don't know it yet. Yeah. I mean, it's like

the action is worth more than the words in that scene. Yeah, but the way you just described that everybody take a minute is exactly accurate. So relationshippy and they're in a relationship, they just don't know it yet, And I yes, yes, better myself. So what do we think about poor Jason. My gosh, man, man, he got he got torn a new one, didn't he old Jason? He got road hard and put. I was going to say, he still doesn't

know what's going on here, work on his game. Also, I was thinking, like I like a Rory left her phone and it's like, oh, pick up my cell phone when I see you, Like these days, I'd be like running to pick up my phone wherever I leave it. I think back then, though, it wasn't as stressful because you really you didn't have all your numbers, It didn't have your email, didn't have your tex. Yeah, it was just like you had to like, what's the the t Tina? Is it T nine? How did you say it? Like?

What is it? The way you at text and you have to click the number like three times to get the letter? Yeah? Take ten? That I never heard of that Tina word e'sn just saying like word like correct? They think thanks? I think so, But yeah, T nine is what it was called. When you're like I need to like get the letter C and you click number three like or number one like three times to get there.

Because back in the day, if you lost your phone, there's nothing in it I mean, you have to pay for a new phone, but you weren't like, oh my god, and there was nothing worse when you had like a C and A together and you had to wait for it to stop blinking. Yeah a oh my god, I

mean remember that, Oh my gosh. But yeah, I just thought it was funny because I was like, you can just tell the time of this show when you're just like if I love my phone somewhere and now, I wouldn't be like i'll see you in a week, I'll pick it up. Then it's like a national security is at that turn off turn off, like doing nothing where you're like using to find my phone, like, yeah, what's the code to self destruct my phone? Once I lost my phone and I was literally calling like is there

any way to blow this thing up? Right? Soon? Soon Apple is going to come out with a phone drone, or if you lose it, it turns into a drone and it flies home to you. The phone drone up even has missiles so you can off some of your neighbors. And at the time I did not have a pass code. I don't know why, I just didn't and I love my phone and like I'm not being braggy, but it had so many celebrities phone numbers in it just because of my job. I'm not friends with them, it's just

because my job. That I was literally like, you're like, whoever picks that up hit the jackpot. I was like, oh my god, they're gonna think this is like so fake. But anyway, crazily a day later, it was still where I left it, in a hotel room, and somebody had stayed in the hotel room the night. It's my phone still there, still there anyway, no one cares. So back to so back to the whole thing. Here's my like

television question. It really looked like Digger was driving. So does that mean he was driving or was he on one of those things where someone's driving him. Yeah. Yeah, it's called a process because it was that was good driving. And it had to be Griffith Park, that like off the five Freeway, that golf course, right, I think that was it. Yeah, it's always near the studio. Yeah, that's what I thought. I love like looking for the locations. Yeah.

Good note when whenever they take us on a driving trailer rig whatever process shot, it would be very it would just be the forest lawn, right, there. Yeah, as out there, So then she hangs up with Jason, She's not going to Rory. And I did think that it was very funny, like, you know, we're not the Carrington's, which was like that we talk about It was just

all very funny, but also like it's messy. This is messy. Yeah, well, you know you introduced that element of the deception and now the business intrigue and it's just business and this is the move I'm making and yeah, I'm you know, I don't blame her. I don't blame Richard for I do the same thing. That's what You protect your nest egg, you protect your pension, you protect your family, you protect

your home. There's a very interesting theory in the comments, um and then I kind of went into a Reddit threat I think maybe on it where some people felt that Richard and Floyd were in cahoots essentially from the time of planning the dinner, like that they were already in cahoots. But my flag on that play is then Richard wouldn't have been so emotional to Emily like or Loria lie forget who he was talking to, like they said they were going to take everything we have. I

think it was to lor Lie. So that was my only thing on that theory, because there's some like theories, fan theories on the whole Floyd Richard Digger Sich. Yeah, I don't think it was premeditated either. I feel like Emily would have known if it was, and she obviously

is having a very external reaction to the point. Yeah, I think that that Richard made the game day decision after Floyd presented with the lawsuit and he was like f this, no, and went back and said, I'm going to throw a Digger under the bus because I got to save my nest egg. And he had the perfect excuse to do it. There was deception and then the lunch with thee so anyway, he had his out dramatic Yeah, okay, So then we get to go back to Lane's apartment,

which I quite enjoy. Yeah, it's nice sort of something there. It's nice, but there's not much there. At the same time, I agree, right like it's I like it, but then I'm like, can we get just like more, a little more. It's like without Emily Corona in the scene raging away, it's it's it's not as effective for me interesting. It's like she's one of the most powerful dynamic presence on that show, and just showing her in the background doing little stuff here and there just isn't enough. How do

you like Zach? How do you guys feel about Zach? The character of Zach like the roommates h I think it's I mean, without giving anything away, I think that because it was just so like it felt like a bland scene. I think it is setting up the future of of what we see later. So that's why I didn't think too much of it. As someone who knows what's coming. I was just like, this is a setup for the future for me. Sebastian box, yeah is the

best part. I mean, give me Sebastian bok and a velvet shirt, unbuttoned, short sleeve, you know, just there you go, got the baby, there you go. I feel like the band is just still so incomplete without Dave Kowski, like like I'm still onto him, like he is a national treasure, and he likes to point it's just a cover of People magazine. He's with me. There's there's just only something missing. When I see the band, I'm just like, where Steve I needed him? You're right, there is there is a

giant hole there. Yeah. Without Sebastian Bach I would not he definitely, Yeah, he completes it. Yeah, he's I missed. I miss Adam Brodie Tube. Yeah. Sebastian has a big personality, big presence. You know, he's you know, he's never going to get accused of being Laurence Olivia, but he knows he's great. But he's doing his thing and he's being himself, which is really entertaining and fun. Right, because that's that's

the fast quick shout out to Adam Brody. Did anybody watch that show that Adam Brodie is in with the something about Fletcher? Oh god, you guys, it's really familiar. Everyone should watch it. It's very good. Except for the last episode. It has clear Danes and the guy from Social network whose name is out of my mind. Come on, um,

Jesse Eisenberg. It's good. I know I'm not giving it a great plug because I can't remember the name of it, but it's so anyway, we're all gonna we're all going to watch it, yeah, because we don't know what it is. Said then Lane sees you're a lot of work, a lot of work. You're a lot of work. First of all, great callback great callback. Thank you. Uh we see the the lane replacement student. You think she was just regretting

like every decision she made in that moment. Yeah, me, not regret so much as she just missed her her home and the band was doing well. She just she loves her mom. Even though her mom is like tough, they do love each other. And now she's living with two guys that play video games instead of you know, and they like her band. Fantasy communal lodging situation isn't panning out the way she thought it would be. She's like,

she's become the mother. I could not live with two boys at that age if I was nineteen years old. And she's so much more emotionally mature than those guys, you know that she probably just feels like, yeah, what have I done here? Am I is this going to be the next ten years of my life? I mean,

what happens if we're super successful? You know, the one guy is gonna still eat beaten carrots from his mommy's pouch, and the other guy is going to be with the babes and you know, one's married with kids and and one's married with kids. She's all alone in that band basically although he fall explosion sounded sidebar uh poor. Then we go to the driving range and that was just awkward.

Good swing from Jason Stuhls, good hearty golf swing. I was like, Okay, I think Chris Agaman has spent a little time on the link on the links, so yeah, we're getting these sort of like little I don't know what the right word is in undos, that's not the right word, but little little signposts, signposts, yeah, clue. It's like I just kind of like I did feel bad for him in this moment at the golf course because he was so out of the loop and everyone was

kind of just like, you don't know what's happening. That's the worst. Yeah, like when you're the last to know and everything. He's so good. Shout out to Chris. He's so good, didn't he. You just believe everything he's doing and and thinking and saying, he's he's really terrific. He really Yeah, speaking of terrific, Shell giving the tour at the end with all the little here, you know, like, oh my god, it's so good, the cookies or Suki

with her broken FOOTO. I could be wrong, but was it the first time we saw the Dragonfly in logo like that, I think, so, I think on the car, yeah, I think that's the first time we're saying that made it really hit home, you know, because I really yeah, they have a minivan, Yeah, the minivan. I was like, wait, is that the first time we see the actual logo. I do have a dragonflying cup that I'll bring next week, But that's what I thought. I was like, where's my cup?

Because thanks to Luke they seem to be able to have the minivan and the horses. They have the horses. What do they have their horses for? People are going to be taking their kids on the horses. I don't know, maybe the back right, Yeah, it's always nice to have. It is nice to see like the business up and running and like, yeah, yeah, we've we've come a long way. Baby. Right here we are the Dragonfly and looks divorced and

so then we yeah. So then now the belief is going to hit the fan because now Jason knows what's up and he's figured it out that Richard's got So it's interesting that Richard's going back with Floyd but having his own boutique agency under their banner. So Richard is really hashtag winning and Jason is hosed. Richard always wins, right, even when he's losing, he's winning. Um. And the thing I liked about Jason is he even admitted, like he goes it makes sense. He very was brilliant, like this

is brilliant. Yeah, and he was very sweet to Lorela. He wasn't in that, like he wasn't blaming there, like he wasn't like your dad's an Yeah he suck, your family sucks all that, Like he didn't do any of that, which is why I'm not We'll get there. I'm not sure I agree with her decision, but we'll get there. But we'll get there. Yeah, I guess you and I are going to have a talk about that. I can't wait. I don't know. Yeah, I might be able to be

convinced choose your weapon now. That made me think of Miss Plumb in the library with the candlestick. I did think it was really sad when Digger literally was like, I have to move. My reputation is really like that sucks. But he didn't listen. He did it to himself, didn't He made a move against his own father, who's extremely powerless. Yeah, he didn't play the politics well at all. He took up with Richard's daughter, How could you not? Right? Didn't

tell anybody. It was kind of his idea to keep wasn't it his idea to keep her secret? And she wanted to It was the other way around. It was the other way around. He wanted to tell and she wanted and she wanted to keep it a secret. And we're skipping a scene, but I think it's important to talk about it. Lorea Lie does go to Richard and she does say, like, Jason was your partner. He's losing everything. And that's when Richard sort of says, Lauraae, like I

cannot lose everything. But he's right about how she came at him, right, It's like, how are you going to come at somebody in that way? And he she didn't express any concern or for his side of the story or how it was going to affect him or or or her mother Emily. Um, she just sort of she didn't open up both battles on him, but she went at him pretty pretty hard, a little disrespectfully, like, hey, it's my my world is being affected, my world not

taking consideration. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying loyally is right, and I actually think it's interesting, is Emily, but just let me But that's the misdirection. That scene was planted there to surprise us on the ultimate when you and I have our knife fight. Yes. So the thing I like about Emily here is she goes to Richard because ultimately what she cares about most is Laura lion Rory.

And she's really like not worried about the money. Now, she's probably not being supportive enough of Richard and the importance of his career per se, because really what she cares about is Laura lion Rory. That's all she cares Okay, Okay, and Laura life finding somebody and she realizes they have

a connection. Okay. So the way Richard sees it is we lose everything, the house, the pension, everything, We're destitute, Okay, to get to get sued to that level, you don't know where you're gonna end up, right, And Richard, there's only one choice he can make, and it has nothing to do with lauralized relationship with Jason or Friday night dinners or you know, he his hands that are tied. Do you know what's crazy? Though, He's got to do

what he's gotta do. I do understand where Richard's coming from, but I think Emily is taking it as Okay, fine, we'll have our money and you'll have your job, but we won't have lor Lie and we won't have Rory. Like this is what I've been working for the last few years to foster this relationship and now it's going to go away because you screwed over her boyfriend. Like I think she is panicking that things are going to revert back to how they work for And here's what's interesting.

This is very important. I think Rory won't go away, and Richard points that out. I agree, and I agree cares about or A Lie because she I think somewhere they both know Rory's not going anywhere. But Emily does not want to lose Lora Lie again. Well, and she's like, this is really about Laura Lie. And then you think about it because like they are paying for Yale and like you know, that's where they know Rory won't go away.

But I was also thinking, like it is interesting that Richard didn't have a conversation with Emily about it, and kind of just like like when was Emily going to find out if she didn't stand at the corner of the stairs to listen, you know, like, why would she have known? That should have been a conversation between husband and wife about there if it was a financial thing. I feel like they should have had that conversation. And so I think it just escalated because of the way

she found out. But I do understand both sides. I just thought the and and let's point out that Sheila Lawrence wrote this episode. What a what a brilliant set up for what is to come right, all these complications, all these nuances and subtleties within these relationships. How deaf late it was handled in these episodes, because it is leading up to a really really interesting scene, which I mean, and I are going to talk about. I have a

few I think where you've got two major ones. So wait, before we get to that, let's just talk about the ash Or Fleming story. There's no other there's like no other professor who's good looking at Yale. Like my whole the whole time, I was like, the oldest professor is the one all the girls are going for. I think it's because he's worldly. I don't know if you guys did this, but last night I was mourning the loss of Rachel Welsh and I because it's my my childhood dying.

Every every day, somebody else from my child who was passing away. And this is what happens when you get a little bit older. This happens. They don't tell you this, uh that it happens, but it happens, and it's it's tough to deal with. Yeah, it's kind of rough. Um. And then was a pick. She did a movie with Michael York back in the seventies called The Three Musketeers,

and he was quite something back then. I mean the long blonde hair, I mean just I mean the two of them together, they're looks so good together in in that period costumes. Um, so he was like he was a major star, Michael or he was a charming, dashing figure of the theater. And then he became a movie star for obvious reasons. So you know he still got it right as Fleming. Yeah, he's pretty cute twenty years ago, even in this Yeah, he's still got it. He's definitely charming.

And I liked the confrontation he had with Rory that was so let's just let's just talk it through. Let's talk through everything as Do you think she was a little out of line? I do. I thought that was a very awkward scene. Yeah, I don't know if that that that was the only seen in the whole uh four episodes that I thought, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that was weird. I feel like you just wouldn't approach a professor that way, even if he was

dating your roommate. It just seemed inappropriate. The fact that this is like that actually just came out of your mouth like that is just crazy, like he is dating her roommate. But I think that's why she gets so pissed and so like um over analytical on everything in his class. But but also he's friends with Richard, so she could have just DoD this easily assumed valid because valid. But but the the impetus was was that Doyle let her know that Escher has you know, a babe of

the Year of the semester or whatever. And you know, I think I think it was the attempt to show Rory being loyal to crazy Town. Yeah, so yeah, so, and I don't I don't. I don't know that it worked out the way we wanted it to work out, But they got it in right, like Rory did the noble thing, and like, I'm gonna call my great grading system into question, and she's gonna get a couple of shots in. And I mean, but that last line, you know, I liked the redhead or whatever. It was like it

was a little little much. I thought he was going to be like, final, I'll give you an F Like I thought he was going to drop the grade right there. I can't do that. My question is, but I think he understood at the end of that scene that she knew about the relationship. She didn't approve, she didn't approve of him, and I don't, but don't hurt my friend. He won, he won. He like he definitely won. Yeah, yeah, he like he's like, this is why you got the A you did X y Z. Like it was he

had the point, he had the points. I don't know that he might dropped her. I think he closed. I thought he closed. He slammed his case down at a frustration like for that that was a moment that he had been outed by Rory, like you're a dirty old man, leave these girls alone. Yes he was. I disagree. He was like, have you quite finished? Like he's judging him, But why shouldn't she he's praying on his students. I don't think he sees it that way. That's kind of vile.

He's technically not doing anything wrong, right Paris, Paris is eighteen years old. He's not she's not a student in his class. He's a British Maximadia. He's a British Maximadina. I'm not saying it's right, but like, he's technically not doing anything wrong. It's creepy, gross, but it's not right. I didn't realize the decision. I didn't realize that she's not his student. So yeah, that's actually good. No, because she always comes into the class because Rory's there. You're right,

you're right, doesn't make it right. Yeah, I'm not saying it's right. Any schools must have like morality clauses where you don't do this and it would be definitely frowned upon. Yeah, it's just like, but it's not Rory's place to go in and be kind of self righteous about it. It's like, I don't know. Look, things were different in nineteen sixty. This happened all the time, things were looser. In nine eight,

these things happened all the time. Between students and teachers. Um, it's just in two thousand it was still going on. I think it's less appropriate these days, right, you know, it's everything's sort of tightening up in society. Yeah, that's correct, right, even more cringe, so it's more permissive. I mean as we look back. Um, my question is is that dedication for Paris? What does everybody think that booked out? I think that's too whichever, it's the only thing he could

have done. What is he supposed to put some heartfelt thing in there? And don't think that gets thrown in the lawsuit. I think she thinks it was to her. I don't know, she definitely did. She says it's about me and my things, like, no, it is a girl. They don't know who it's about. But I bet it's not about only a slide guy like Asher would leave it anonymous. So whichever lady he's you know, with at the time her. Now the next question, did Rory deserve the A? Yes, I mean it's not like she did

the work. Yeah, she did PhD level work connecting dogs. Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree, and I thought, okay, so so yes or no? Did she overstep going to Asher and being so pointing. I think yes. And also she got an a It's like what were you what were you going to get out of that? Like you wanted to get to be you know, like she's going with it. Yeah, I can see why she's annoyed with him because he's I don't know, just yeah, but like not to like

challenge a grade that he gave her. Yeah, Like she went out of her way, she went out of her way to have that conversation. Yeah. And I think as a teacher, you gotta be a little bit more respectful, even if the guy's a creep. Yeah. Do we think he's a creep A little creepy. He's a little a little creepy, you know, on the creep scale, I would say seven seven point eight five. He's just a guy who likes, you know, he likes what he likes. He likes what he likes, you know. Yeah. Do you think

Richard knows like that he dates younger women. He probably thinks he dates like he knows he dates younger woman, but maybe not Paris. I don't think Richard knows. I think Richard would frown upon it. I don't think Richard would approve of him dating students Paris, any of them. I think if you're friends with somebody and longstanding friends, you just sort of chuckle it there, idiosync. You don't try to change people or give them lectures like Leo.

No one's like Leo, you should age it up. Yeah, there's nobody in his circle telling them like, hey, you got to rethink this. They're going when are you going out again? Does she have a friend a sister. While we're on the topic of Asher, let me tell you what hurt my brain when he goes. Next week, we're going to talk about the neglect of the individual as a hallmark of modern government, which hurt my brain, which

I kind of get. And then something about coughka, which I was just like, writ existentialism, yes too hard, Yeah, yeah, kind tea Jersey literature English, Yeah, inful you know, the in in the individual within a system of socialism and individual and a system of free market capitalism. It's all different, right, representative democracy versus you know, a tyrannical government. How how it affects the individual? Right? I mean, what's what's so competent?

If we skipped laying at the diner all again? My lines? What are you doing with my lines. What's happening, that's my scene that's going on. Get out. Do you see me running around the Kim's antiques, sneaking around trying to make things happen? You know, No, that's a bad comparison. I'm sorry, No, I mean it's not. It's actually not. And think right, your only line was like su had to go to the bank, right, and that was a loop. The part of that was looped to and it took

me out of it. Part of Luke's stuff was looped. Oh that was looped and no one else was here. Let's go back the loop. The Laurela and Jason conversation at the end when he's pacing back and forth and he found out that he's done. Yeah, some of that was looped in. Yes, yes, wow, I want to go back now, yes, rewatch it's night. Just just it's a sound it's a sound quality. It doesn't sound like it doesn't sound right. Her voice when she's there talking, it

sounds like a voice that's been installed. And then Lane has the confrontation with the exchange that was for the exchange students. She was thought that was funny. So that girl was really funny. I did think it was really sweet when when she said, like, did Mrs Kim mentioned she has a daughter and she said yes, well yeah, And then we have that scene where they where she goes into the house and which, by the way, so weird that she walked into the house to watch her.

I think that was I go flag on the play because I know if anybody broke into Mrs Kim's house, she will get up and she knows she's got that place. You would you would hear someone opening the door. That was heartbreaking. That scene was heartbreaking. That was my favorite Lane scene ever. It was it. Yeah, it was heartbreaking, beautiful scene, beautiful, the emptiness of being on the road with a rock band. It's not fulfilling. You want your mom kiss her on the forehead as she sleeps, and

she won't. Oh it, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful moment. So here's my question, Danielle. It's really for Danielle and a little bit for Scott. What was going through your mind when you first see Richard opened the door and clearly he's like not, he's trying to doesn't have ice, He's trying to do things. Emily walks in with her purse, like what was going on. I thought that they were having sex in the in the kitchen and they got caught and they had to stop. That's funny. I did

not think that. That's funny, Scott. I did think that, and I think they wanted us to think that, because their behavior was that, especially Emily's behavior, they were so off that it was like, you know, they were just railing each other. Man, What did you think, Danielle? So I when I was watching it, I was like, Okay,

there's there's something off, obvious, something's happening. And then the light bulb went off when there was no dessert, and I realized that they wanted to end this as soon as possible and I could get back to the kitchen and finish the job. No, I just because like Emily doesn't do a dinner without dessert, you know what I mean. And she didn't know what was on the menu, she didn't know what they were eating, like all that kind

of stuff. I was like, Oh, there's a there's a problem internally here, like I there's something off yea like throwing them out with little goodie bags of chocolate here by like this never happened. It was weirder on this I mean, rewatch, I've seen it many times. There was I knew it, so I don't remember what I thought when I saw it the very first time when it aired on television, like because it is sort of a whoa. Yeah, by the way, how great was that scene? How funny?

Was insane? The dinner larious? No, I mean Emily and Richard's behavior and just so great. You know how hard that is to do on that kind of stuff. You know what I noticed? That was very smart of somebody in production. No flowers on the table, the table, Yes, it did seem very stark, didn't it. Yes, always has flowers, extravagant centerpieces. And obviously she's not there, she's not doing that. But but right exactly, and there was. It wasn't the

table was not set, there was no center piece. There was nothing that too. But here's a flag on the play, and especially in people of their age. Richard would have gone to the hotel. If a couple like Richard and Emily decide to get into some sort of argument and separate whatever it is, Emily would have had the house, Richard would have gone to that. I disagree though, because Richard is not the one that's upset, like Emily is the one that is not happy with his you're saying

she just said, like I'm going to hotel. Yeah, I think I think she was like, I don't even recognize you. I'm out, you know, like it. Speaking speaking of flags on the play, give it. What the heck is going on with that ref in the Super Bowl? Throwing a flag with a minute thirty to go on, a little ticky cat nothing we understand. Let it. Let it out, for God's sake. I'm fulfilly boy, man, I understand that people are upset the eagles flying high then shot down

by the flags. Sorry, I'm not gonna lie you for a second. I was like, there was like rough on my golf course in the episode. It was like, wait, I missed. I just needed to I needed to get that out. You know. So you think a sort of in a fight as opposed to like, okay, I'm completely wrong. They weren't having sex. They weren't in a fight. She was already out of the house. Your superior observation skills and logic skills have trumped me yet again. The park,

the car was parked out there. She was just coming in to get something and leave. Well, then at the end when she leaves, when they was coming in for dinner, because they're going to try and pretend you're not telling the girl because she's just coming in as part of the ruse. So now every Friday night, she wasn't the table. Why wasn't the table set if they're trying to because they weren't they early too, they were really Yeah, they

were early, and they weren't that early. Twenty minutes. I mean twenty minutes you can put flowers of flowers on a vase on the table and get things situated. And Richard doesn't know what he's doing what he does, so he's all doesn't know what's going And at the end when they when they hide and see her get in the car and leave. You like she didn't dry cleaning with the dry clean she didn't even wait like five minutes she was out. It was funny, going my shoes,

my shoes, my shoes, nice shoes, nice shoes. I don't want the bushes, I don't. But wouldn't she have seen their car still there? That's the weird part. Two. Yeah, it's a little there's a little bit of like we have to she's probably so just in She's like, I just want to get out, Like yeah, for sure. So then we have the big performance at the gig, got the gig? Did you notice? No you go? Did she notice the background actor just like singing every word in

the crowd? And I was like, how many times do they do this take where this guy knows every word? You knew every word? Uh? What did you think of the overall scene? I mean I get the whole point there sad plane, like she didn't have anybody there. Yeah, I mean right, Brian's got his like weird family, screw your dreams, get back to your get back to your mother, screw your dreams. Oh interesting, that's what the scene was, right,

So that's an interesting take. It's not wrong. Mine was like, she's so she's living her dream and she's so lonely. She wants her family there to support her, which is so complicated because she's got this, but it's not it's not very rock and roll, is it. No, but everybody had somebody, Zack Scott, the ladies, you know, Sebastian Box got his. Not sports. It's not sports, you know, where

you want your family to come cheer you on. It's you don't want the very rock and roll just get plastered and about the way and find a guy, like, I mean, but then you hang out with your band meats right or whatever? Like how are you going to hang out with those bandmates on one's got his mommy with a bag of carrots, the other one that is like thinks he's Hugh Hefner, and the other one is like, you know, macin on his wife right in the hallway there.

I mean, I think it's more of not feeling supported, Like everyone had a support system there and she didn't. That's really what it is. Not even a friend. Yeah, I just literally wrote, poor, Well what did you excuse me? What did she expect her mother to show up to a rock concert? What did she what did she expect? I think she expect she doesn't have people. Well, you know, Rory could have come, but she had to go to this fiasco. But there's only one friend, Like she doesn't

even have anyone else that would come, Like, has no one? Yeah, m she could make more friends, you know, I mean right right, look, rock and roll. Let me tell you something. I know this from experience. Rock and roll is a lonely rude. I think it just reminds I agree, I don't write I wouldn't want to live on a tour bus if you paid me a millionaire. Well not at this age, no way, when you're nineteen. Really amplified Delane like she has no one and she and now she's

been replaced, that other girl has her apple. Yeah, that's that's just the big thing. Being replaced is very, very tough to swallow. That's that's a that's a hard one. And then this just triggered that. Yeah, well if you get if you get replaced, if you get dumped by your own mother and replaced, you just go out there and write a song about it. I mean, go play harder the next gig, go party harder. Possibly Scott with his cold stone heart. But here we get to the

debate rock and roll man. She's entered the she's entered the Colosseum, right, she wanted it. So here's the next one. Now we're in the cafe and Laura Lae says to Jason, obviously telling him her parents are separated. The best scene I have ever seen from Lauren Graham. This was impressive, and I thought it was impressive in the way she handled it because it wasn't a big, wile, ugly fight. You know, it didn't get out of hand. It was just she chose her family. Her family became like you

you can't, but you don't have to do this. You can't sue my family, right, And it was just like, that's Laura La Gilmore, that is Emily and Richard's daughter. Right. For me, that was as significant a statement as I've ever seen in this show. And it was a beautiful moment. It was a beautiful, full circle moment for me as a fan of the show. And I don't think she's ever looked that good. I don't think she's ever been more appealing as a character. And I fell in love

with her all over again. I was like, yes, I want that's the that's the woman. I want her family. You do not assume my family. And it was an easy and what I loved the ease of the transition of like we used to be together, now we're not together, and I'm going to leave now without any fanfare bye, and just the look in her eyes. It wasn't dramatic, it was, but it was the but therefore it was the soul of drama because she didn't give that much. There was an easy decision. I agree with how you're

saying it. And she's like, he's saying it's just business, and she's like, you don't have to do this, Like do you think it was her best I've ever seen her? Do you think anything would have changed if she didn't have the conversation with Richard first though about like financials and stuff. She had to have the conversation with Richard. She had to come off that way. No. No, I'm saying, like what if I think No, I think that if Jason suing, then it's just done. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

You know that. You're right, you're gonna assume my family. You're gonna put me in that pickle. It's like, I know what my father did to you, but think about what what you did to get, you know, just to heat up your to boil yourself in your own pot. Because he was being completely selfish and that's I mean Richard was as well, but Richard was more of a family thing. And and for for Jason, it's like it's just about his reputation. That's all it comes down to.

Love love that scene, that scene. Yeah, I agree. Right after that, I wrote, Wow this up. Yeah, that was powerful. That was powerful scene, and I thought he played it beautifully too, because obviously he knew beforehand what the scene was about. So I think the two of the two of them handled that that beautifully. That scene, that's my favorite scene, and it might be the entire four years so far. I just I loved her in that scene.

I thought, man, what you know? So proud to know brings us to favorite lines, which I think that's easy agreement, that's easy. Go ahead, Tara. I mean we did how many lucial balls? Yeah, I think I'm gonna do how many divorce decrees? Like mine was the same as Taras so whole scene. Yeah, I'm like, the whole face mar this episode? What do we what do do? How many mailboxes? Etcetera? Or what about the what was it? The meatball thing? May meatball explosions on the forehead? How many? How many

lonely symbol slaps? Should everybody do their own? Yes? Maybe we should always do our Just pick one and go with it, Daniel, nine out of ten kisses on the forehead, Mom, Tara, I'm gonna give it a nine out of ten meatball explosions. I was going eight point five meatball explosions, but I think I'll do um instead, I'll do eight point five Dragonfly minivans. There you go. I'm gonna give it um nine point nine eight broken Suki foots, good one, good one?

Favorite lines? What's favorite lines? We did them? Well? Who did them? Who did? Who did you? I didn't hear yours? What were yours? But I have I have I have some balls. Oh so everybody liked the balls thing? All right? That was my least favorite line. Oh yeah, it was. Uh. I like Rory's line when she said, uh, I know, you know, people get all that. They say things change, but not in the same and not in one week,

all in one. Alright, everybody, Next episode, Season four, Episode twenty one, almost done, Season four, Luke can see her face. Oh oh, could this be the episode? Is this the lead up to this finale? Oh no, this is not the finale? I guess Oh this is this is really heating up, folks, heating up? Right? Um? Alright, a US, that's that terrific episode. Um. This is the first time I haven't given something to ten in a long time. It's nine point nine eight is fine, it's point to

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