The things you find amusing astound me sometimes (S3 E8 "Let the Games Begin”)

a rip snorting affair. It was filled with Richard and Emily and Emily and Richard and Richard and Emily and Laurel I and Rory and Rory and Richard and Emily and Laurel I. And it was like it was watching it was it was like watching Martina Navratalova, Venus Williams playing John McEnroe and Evan Lendel. It was the ball, the ball, an important person, who who's important? Jess and Jeff and and there's Jess, Jess, Yes, there's the Rafael Nadal taking the court pound saying Hey, I'm over here,

I'm pounding the ball. I love it. I did it was it for me. It was a very relaxing. Even though there was a lot of drama and a lot of back and forth, it was it was just really comforting relaxing for me to watch this, UM great episode, and I think it was Richard at his best because he's just so so filled with excitement and energy and he's wanting to help and and I really just took

the ride with him. You know, I really ask you that right from the start before we start going through it, in order for all of you to say, was Richard right or wrong? I think they were both right and they were both wrong, and I think that therefore they were both right right. A wrong and a right don't doesn't make it wrong. It makes it right in my mathematical calculation. With interesting. Listen, I've got a chalkboard over

here if you'd like to know, Um, what's that guy's name? Pythagory, Pythagory, Charlie Pythagoram. Yeah, that's him. He lives down the street. Anyway, UM, I don't you gotta nobody trusts Laurela. I see her point of view. She's pissed she didn't get trusted again. She's treated like the red headed stepchild. And it's like Jesus, when are you going to see me for who I really am? And you are overstepping your bounds and you are not collaborating with me. You are not liaising with me.

What on earth are you thinking about? I mean, it even got to the point where where Rory got piste at him, and that's big. She was the most right because she wanted to She would have done it, but she wanted to look right and she wanted to be prepared. So if everybody's right and wrong, she's the most right saying tell me the truth. So I have the opportunity to maximize. Listen, this is a big sleep train. Before it gets too far out the station, let's do the synopsis,

all right, you got it? So this, like Scott said, season three, episode eight, let the Games to begin air dating November nineteen two, and the synopsis is after the breakup with Dean Rory and just heat up the heat up, they mean makeout. Richard convinces his family to go on day trip to Yale, which ends up being a big blowout fight with Loralai and Luke becomes extra protective or over Rory because of Jess. That was a great talk. A little bit more about this, and then we'll go

back to the beginning. Yeah, let's do it like a chronological thing, because I think this, I think this warrants it before we move on quickly Tara and Danielle. Who was right? Who was wrong? I understand why Richard wanted to do it, like it's his granddaughter and he wants the best for her, and I feel like he wanted

that because he never got it from Laura La. But I also think he was wrong that he just didn't prepare Rory because she's so organized, she wants to be her best, and he didn't give her that chance to do it. So I'm a little bit on the fetes, but I don't think anyone's completely wrong and anyone's completely right. I will say half right, half wrong, but I'm going to give him right because his intentions were super pure, so I'm gonna say he was right. Great, all right, Okay,

so let's go. Here's the thing I loved about this episode. We're really picking up almost immediately where we left off from the dance marathon, because did you guys notice are taking the sign down and her body hurts and it's still Halloween. I thought about you the second episode started to can't escape the pumpkins, They're just there forever I have one criticism, and I rarely have one I'm gonna I'm gonna go. Did anyone think that Lauren Graham was

playing tired and in pain a little bit drunk? Maybe she was? She were they serving alcohol? Wasn't drunk, but were they serving alcohol? There? Just coffee? I don't think they were serving alcohol. But I just think as she was doing her acting like she was loopy, it was almost like, you're right, Yeah, you're right, because she did a lot of like arm Lay's type things, and you're like, yeah,

did that when you're tired. I know she's not drunk, and I know she's like in pain and doing acting, but a little bit I was like, this seems this close to how she would play it if they were like and Laura la is drunk? Uh? Interesting? Interesting? Yeah? Maybe maybe I thought that whole scene was amazing though, when she goes on account of three right room their poor feet? Yeah good. So then they get into Luke's diner and they say, like, I didn't remember Luke's being

add is that when Sean came in? Was that Kirk came in with a trophy, with the trophy at that point, at that point, he's just showing that sucker off. What did you think I think he's funny. It was it really needed that and it was funny and he's great and I think I had a little what did I have a little dialogue with him about getting all smash it to pieces. It looks so violent sometimes, isn't he threatening him? Best vote? And Jesus, I love it because it sets it up for when you do it again

later in the episode. Hi Hi, Hi, by let's go by, and then when you come back later in the episode, Hi hi Hi. I mean right from the start, this is a big Luke episode two. I mean we're seeing Luke really evolved, Like he's just so much more prominent in the show now than in the season one. Yeah, I mean he's he's ranting and raven old Lukie ranting it, her ranting it, Jess, He's doing his thing. Yeah, those were really fond of those scenes with Milo. You know,

they were fun to do. They were just really fun to do. It had a really nice flow together, you know. Um, yeah, I enjoyed those scenes. I know Luke is all like he is trying to be very like strict and tough, but I think I just based off of like what I can tell so far, he's such he loved Rory and Jess together and the only one thinking that, Like

he's always like acknowledges it, he loves them together. Yeah, he's like I think he's just so excited because he's so excited will make Jess probably like a good guy. Like he's like this is like Rory is going to help Jess and kind of like, yeah, like I did good. You know, Laura La has more surrendered to it, whereas Luke is just over the moment jazz because I think it gives I think he also probably feels it gives

him a better shot with Laura La. There's more chances for them to connect and to discuss things, and you know, it's it's it brings those two closer together as well. So I think that's I think he's which is correct. It does. They're already bonding more over it, right, and

they're not fighting over it. That was interesting too, as they're having that conversation about Rory and Jess, even though she's sort of her you see her side now and I think she sees yours a bit more than the big fight they had over the car, right, But I think that the stakes have raised, they have gone up considerably because if there's any kind of conflict between Rory

and Jess, there's going to be conflict. There's going to be misunderstanding conflict between Luke and Laurel I. So it's a it's a smart writer's move, it's a smart plot move here, um. But it does raise the stakes that there is. It enhances the risk. It's a it's a it's a risk on trade, as they say in Wall Street. You know, it's definitely after we sort of get the acknowledgement that that Luke and Laurel I know that Jess

and Rory are together. We go to the Gilmour's for a Friday night dinner where we have the walnut catastrophe, and Richard and and Rory are in the kitchen, and that's where we find out about the Whippan poofs and that they're going to go to Yale. So what did y'all think there? Did you think that because Richard would would Richard have brought that up? Had the walnut incident not happened with the salads they would all have been sitting at the table, would Richard Richard would have been

forced to bring that up at the dinner table? So how would he have done it? So was that by design? Perhaps? I don't know. I mean, and so Richard could get her alone in the kitchen? I don't know, is it? He's not that he definitely did want to have the one on one time with absolutely, Yeah he didn't. He didn't, you know he I don't think he would have brought that up at the dinner table. So did they create a situation where he could be alone with her? I

don't know. Interesting theory. Does anybody know with Frank Lloyd Wright actually had that whole thing happened or was that totally made up? With the fire and the getting locked in that if it's if it's coming out of laurelized mouth, then you can pretty much guarantee that that it didn't happen. I love the Ri Fleischer shout out though, Do you guys guitar and Danielle remember who he was? M hm? So he was the Jen Saki, So you guys know Jen Sack. So he was the Jen Sak of that time,

and he was the press secretary. So it was a pretty funny reference. And then I have a couple of questions. How beautiful are the flowers at the Gilmore's yeah. I mean that's a thousand dollars worth of flowers in that house fresh per week. Yeah, there are flower bills a year. And they have a giant refrigerator. Is that a like their kitchen is amazing? Because that was like the first time we've seen them. Her go into the bridge to get the soda and he's given her the chocolate. I

thought the whole thing was quite charming. I think he was doing and look not to not to give too much way, but I think, you know, during the argument with Laurela Yale, uh afterwards, a big blow up before she walked away, I think he made a very salient point about how many thousands of people apply for Harvard

and and why not have a good plan. B. And she's pretty much already accepted because she's a legacy and I've set this meeting up and it was impromptu, yes, and I know that inconvenices everybody, But for God's sake, he pulled a brilliant move. And she's in. She's for all intents and purposes, she's getting accepted to Yale. That's a what's wrong with that? Yeah? I feel like they all should be a bit more open minded to Yale, Like I get that her dream is Harvard, but like

almost no kid applies to one school. And he did make another grade point. And Emily made a great point to Laurela when she went and chased her when Laura was trying to get the taxi she goes. Did it ever occur to you that if Harvard knows that she's accepted to Yale, she's more likely to get accepted to Harvard. It's like play the chess game here, be strategic, stop being so emotional. And it's very obvious, like be happy to have Richard's help and get your kid into every

school and then she can pick. But she but he didn't. He was wrong in how he went about it. You know. Maybe that's because they've scared him. They made it so impossible. And I'm not mad at them, it's rightfully so, but they've made it so impossible. Sometimes I feel like Laura Lai thinks that it's an attack from Richard. Instead of being like, oh, this is his granddaughter and he wants to do something good for her. You know, she takes him more personally and more of an attack towards her

when I don't that's not his intention. He's not doing this in spite of Laurela. Yeah, yes, that's such a good point, Like getting getting a kid into Yale is not a punishment exactly. It's not personal against you, Laura La. It's not a punishment for you and your kid. It's given your daughter a massive future. Should she just seize the initiative? Um, But again, it's Richard's accepting who Laurel

I is. That she's not going to change, that, she's not coming into the fold the way they expected when these Friday night dinners were proposed to her. She's rebellious, she's you know, she's doing her Henny Youngman routine or Jackie Mason routine whatever there don Rickles routine. Really, I mean, whoever you want to call it. It's not pleasant for them to experience it. The sarcasm, the cutting comments that

just let wash over them. They can't trust her. So yeah, there's a lack of trust between all all of them. She doesn't trust them. So it's kind of a two you know, it's two way street here, babe. So, and the one thing that I didn't really like too much was when Rory was like, oh, he's trying to manipulate you, and it's like, you know when he's and do you guys remember when you when laurelize I said that about Sorry, Yeah, when Laura I said that about Rory or to Rory

about Richard that he's like trying to manipulate her. I'm like, well, that's why I don't ask you. He's not manipulating her, that's the question. Do you think he is manipulating her? And I sort of think he's being fairly straightforward, like I want you to see Yale again. Not not a huge thing, Scott, what do you think? Like, man, God, if we all had grandfather's that caring, you know, God? Lord, Um, yeah, I just Laura Lai is not going to change. Richard

and Emily are not going to change. Nobody's going to change in this equation. So they're going to have to do things like this to get the result that they want to do the best thing for that child. Um, they probably know knew it was going to get messy at some point. They knew it was going to go off the rails. But the deed is done, she's accepted, and then as we end the show, we see they're both looking at Yale pamphlets. So yes, wow, wow, wow.

And also, did you guys pick up that lower Lisa that she had wanted to go to Yale and she was actually yeah, Richard tells the story on the bench of her coming in and it's right. So Tara and Scott and me poker face Danielle right now at this point, where do you think she's going to go? Knowing just what you know? Um, knowing what I know, I think she's still going to go to Harvard, and I think she's still like that's still the number one for her. But the pamphlet flipping at the end made me a

little like, oh, shoot, maybe not, maybe not. It also made me think, like that scene where Emily goes, we'll shoot, she'll be closer to home. I was thinking, like she said, that's a lorealize the lorealized, thinking like maybe my daughter will be home. But also she just got back from making out with Jess, so she's probably thinking like, oh my god, this guy is is going to be close. Wow, that's when and that's why it was funny that they

both looked at the pamphlets that night. Yeah. And then and Emily had the most devastating line of that entire scene, and By the way, if she goes to Yale, she can live at home. It's like, Wow, they all have an agenda. They all have an agenda, and I think what they're not realizing is they're being so combated with one another, where if they all joined forces, let's just get this kid every possible option she can have, you

then evaluate it. You know what. The one thing I would like to see coming out of the Gilmore's, because I think she deserves it, is I think that they should throw Laurel a party. I think that they should give her ridiculously expensive gift. I think that they should make a gesture right interesting. I think they should sort of make up for what when awry. Well, I mean they're intelligent people. I mean they're they want what they want right as strategic as they are being, Um, why

not make peace with Laurel. Why not just say, you know what, you've done a fantastic job. And if they did, if they made a big gesture like that, then they could go to her and they say, listen, Richard would like to take Rory and everybody up to Yale, you know, And these are the reasons why. Because she could live at home, because Harvard may not accept her, and it'd be easier if she got it. You know, if she

got accepted, Harvard is easier to get to. I mean, if if I see what you're saying, you know what I mean, do it that there wouldn't be any conflict in it and it would have no reason to be in a TV show that's compelling to watch. But it's kind of what I want to gesture. She'll do the same thing she did. Hear, all of this is manipulative. You're the puppet master waste dark time, whereas just gonna waste money. They're not seeing the forest for the trees?

Is that like the right saying. It's like how lore La is right that Richard sort of manipulated the situation. Oh funny, it's three o'clock and my buddy, you know right here. But it ultimately this is just helping the kid get into Yale. Let the kid get into Yale, then decide where she's going. It's so simple. Yeah, And that's the one thing that you know Richard is really good at doing. He's not saying she has to go here, or like she needs to continue the family legacy, she

must go here. He's just like, I want her to see Yale because you won't show her otherwise. Yeah, she'll ever know. Look those gifted kids that you know, they get accepted to Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Dartmouth, getting you know, M I T, Cambridge, Oxford, they get a accepted everywhere, right, and they figure it out and then yeah, they have the choices. And then one school steps up and says, listen, we know you've been accepted by X y Z will

offer you this. You know, I just don't. Yeah, I don't think there's a parent on the planet that would be like, don't apply that to this awesome school you might get into it. Like that just doesn't exist. Now. Parents may say like, oh, hey, we can't afford that, or a variety of reasons why a kid wouldn't apply to a certain school. But Rory can afford to go wherever she wants. Let her apply to everywhere. So the fact that Laura Li is holding that back just doesn't

track for me. She's like she just because Laura life feels erased, she feels like and I think she feels really I think she blames herself for a lot of this, and she just doesn't want to admit it because she's so deeply entrenched. Her heels are so dug in over the years, and she's pretty much justified. But she doesn't. She's just can't let go. She can't let go. She feels like there's I think being judged by your parents

makes a person very angry. So they're always judging her and not trusting her and not you know, saying coming to her first and asking permission, which is what she's she's a mother, she's they always are treating her like a kid, yes, and that pisces her off. And I don't blame I don't blame her. She's totally justified in having that reaction. So it's it's sort of supersedes, you know, any of the benefits that could potentially go to Rory. Yeah.

I like you were right at the beginning when you're like, they're all right, they're all wrong. Your math was a little weird, but I get what You're right. Don't make a wrong and that makes for great drama. Yeah, Yeah, that makes for great drama because nobody's right, nobody's wrong. There's also a second story in this episode that's amazing. So we go back to the diner and This is when Kirk's like lost her, lost his true be lost her, and you're like, what the she? But Luke was immediately

weird with Rory. I mean immediately she was weird with him. He's weird. I gonna choose for girl. Now everybody's awkward. I mean, did you feel the weight when they got up into his apartment and they were standing, did you feel the weight of, Oh god, what do we do now? We we have the thing that we want, now we don't know what to say to each other? Smooth? How smooth was Jess because he was awkward, but he moves towards her. He had a good he had a really

he had a really good line. You share. I'd really like to get you a coke because I don't want to stand here like a moron, you know, I want something to do. What did y'all think, Danielle, what Scott? What did you guys think of that first almost kiss? That's not the kiss, but it's the almost. I love love of love of love, and then especially with the payoff at the end of the episode, but we won't

get there yet. But yeah, I I love the built up anticipation and then, like Luke busting through the door and catching them and they couldn't actually kiss, and I it was so good. It was the first time you see Jess kind of like giddy and shy and like nervous around Rory, like he's like, oh, this is my shot, so either not mess up this time. So wait, I'll enact. I'll act it out. But one of the cutest moments.

And I've noticed this. Sorry my utant so lam today, but uh, I've seen this episode a few times and I noticed it every time. Did you guys see when jessice on the chair it was justice And I don't know if he was directed to do that or if he just Milo did it. It's such a cute moment as he's sort of trying to like move closer, move

this along. He's so adorable. And the hands on the chair. Yeah, because it made me think several times when those two are together, like what do kids do when they're really in love with each other? Well, they touch each other, they make out. This is what they did. This is what is done. This is what everybody does. They want to get in a room alone and touch each other. That's what they did. That's great. Then what did you think of your lucks rules, Lukes rules. Um, I gotta

say think it's a classic scene. I think it's a classic Luke scene where uh and I love the what he got some grapes and he popped a couple of grapes on his way out, and then he looked back and popped another one. And he was very proud of himself, right, because he really felt like like no, he he felt like he had one and that he was a good stepdad or whatever, good uncle. Right. He felt like, wow,

I did something right. And and I corrected that, you know, when they're together and that I so I must have done something right because because because Jess is now you know, palatable to this very special girl and she even loves him, and wow, and and I don't think he's going to screw it up because I just you'll be on the chair, he's on the chair, you'll be on the tap. It

was so good. It's like Luke wanting to be a dad and he got his opportunity and he you know, and he I don't know, that was a good thing. And it's interesting, like you didn't do that with Shane, Like you didn't give him all these rules other than the respect. You really wanted him to respect women, which I thought was a great moment in that episode. But you're coming guns blazing on on this because I think probably you don't want him to mess this up. You

want to take care of Rory. You feel so invested and responsible for both. I mean, the sticks are high on this one. Just can't screw it up. Yeah, because that means that's his relationship with role Laurela too. This blows up his relationship with any future with Laura I could blow up, you know, but that that bad blood created between and those two, that's that's, like I say, it's a risk on trade on Wall Street, huge stocks in demand. So yeah, stakes are really going up here.

And uh and I loved you know, I think all that tender stuff and that awkward and the almost first kiss and then Luke busts in and that's really all that scene was is set up for that scene, you know, Luke, Luke laying down the law. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right like that. It was sort of setting up that moment. Although the cuteness of them sort of I don't know, that dance moving closer and the way he touches her, he's so cool. I mean, there's just nothing cooler than either.

I don't know if it's just or Milo, but but the way he moves. We want to see these people, these two characters in their world. They create this bubble world of love and want and longing and all that, but they exist in the world of rules and adults and people that will punish them. There are consequences. So the layers were were laid on quite I thought effectively

and art artfully. So you know, so I apologize because I sort of we've we've skipped around a little bit in this episode, but I do think I want to talk about the scene where they're packing to go on the road trip and like how loyalized, like wait, where's your stuff? Like you've got to bring this, this, this, And then the coffee drinking car. That was a little weird.

It was funny, but it was like when it's like Laurelized the most defiant person in the world, and she's sort of like bowing down to this ridiculous demand and having fun with it. I don't know, it was a little weird for me. It didn't seem like Laurel I it was just amusing. It was amusing, but we I think we touched on this a little bit, but the

story we're getting from Richard and Emily. Richard had a different girlfriend and he says the funniest thing, like, don't tell the girls this, They'll think I was a lithario. And then Laura, you stole my father with fashion. But ultimately I love hearing about their romance, like he gave his men when Emily showed up to the frat party in the blue dress, like all those little Oh how

cute was that? You guys? So when you propose, like right in front of what used to be a bench and was trash can and they both like lean over the trash can and give each other and kids, they're very sweet couple, like you really, as much as they bicker, they're so in love. I did think it was very telling when um, I forget if it was Richard or Emily that said this, but when Richard proposed and Emily just said fine. So Emily seems tall to me. I

noticed a couple of things in this episode. Is the heights, because elect Sis is tall, but Lauren is so much taller than her, And then you realize Richard so ed Herman is so tall and then Emily is tall. They're all a bunch of tall people. I don't know that. I don't know. If Kelly's very tall, she'd just bring heels. I think she's five five. They must put her in heels because otherwise she would be so much shorter in Herman Well, yeah, he's six five and in heels, she's

probably five six seven? Right? Did anybody else in this episode? And we still have some scenes to great down, But for some reason, in this episode, more than any I noticed Alexis eyes and Lauren Graham's eyes. They have the bluest eyes, and their eyes are the same, Like they really are believable mother daughter. Their eyes are so blue and exactly the same. Is it like that in person with them? Um, alexis definitely piercing blue eyes. Lauren, it's

more green, They're more blue green. Yeah. Yeah, Like, did you ever have scenes with them where you're just like, WHOA their eyes? Um? No, no, I'm used. I'm used to their eyes. Yeah. Yeah. You can't really allow yourself to be distracted in a scene like that. They I mean, I thought Laura looked so cool in this episode, her hair, her fashion, the bag going across the leather jacket with the jeans and the T shirt like she just looked cool.

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skip now to the gas station they're at gypsies? Obviously that was one of my favorite scenes. Um. I think in the entire of all the episodes I've watched, that set such a mood for me. And the music that was playing. I mean, it was a perfect meld of music and lighting and scenery and situation between those two. That was really that was filming. That was film, that wasn't TV anymore. That achieved a higher stature in my

book because it's just that was like good film. And I also have to say, as many times as I've seen this I forgot that was going to happen. When Jess was like, I'm going to go get my part, Like it completely went right over my head. I don't know why. Yeah, I like and like lorealized, like you know where they are there together right Like that totally just went over my head. And I was like, any times I've seen this and I remember that was about

to happen. He fully went over my head. Like when he came down, he's like, I gotta get a cart for the car, and then you say bring a receipt this time, like there that I did not get, Oh he's going to the meeting, but layalized like and then it's such a kind of a burn on Luke, Like here he was thinking he had done such a good job. You give me that receipt. It's too late. Just pulled, just pulled a dam. Yeah, and they have great chemistry.

Obviously they did it in real life. So Milo and Alexis had great chemistry and did oh my god, Daniel, what planet did you? I didn't know you did it know a little while Yeah in the show in as they say mind is blown, My mind is blown. I did not know that. Yeah, they had chemistry for real this timeline at what year they did, and I was gonna say, at what point in Gilmore, like were they actually together? We have to like do some detective work

and then we still wouldn't talk. Pretty pretty quick after he showed up, they started dating, so she was like, still with Dean. Not in real life, dude, No, I know what I'm saying, like real life. I'm talking about a real life. She is blurring real life. I got guitar. So she's saying was she dating Milo when Rory was still with Dean In the show, I was trying to like,

daniel is trying to figure it out. Well, so I would guess so because they were together for four years before splitting in two thousand six, and this was two thousand two, so right around right now is when they started dating in real life. That's pretty much the onto the show. I was going to save the seven years. Also, hello, that kiss was freaking real. That's why it was so good because you're like, oh that was a kiss. Wow,

you guys kiss I was today years old. That is really through me, And actually it makes it so much more exciting that you don't know Danielle, Oh my god, anymore? What do you see, you're just on the internet stages, yes, images. You know TV shows should require uh they're actors and actresses to date. They really should. I mean it would, It would create so much more buzz for the show.

It also just makes it so real. Okay, So question for you, what did you make of the fact that she's having this amazing kiss with Jess literally like explosion and she runs off two Dean It it broke Dean, broke my heart. I mean, I I was in that position that was that was you know, as a kid, and it's hard and boy he uh he got run over by a Rory truck and she backed up and ran over him again and again and again, and he was devastated, that poor kid. And I felt really bad

for him. And it's beautifully acted seen by him. Um, and I think to me, I don't know, it almost felt like character rehab, like we gotta do something to make Rory look a little better, and you know what I mean. And so maybe they threw that in like this would be a good thing to rehab, rehab her character a little bit. I don't know. I mean, we're not mad at her, but I see what you're saying, Like as the audience were not upset. But but you're right, it did. It did sort of clean it up a

little bit. You're like, oh, that was really sweet. Yeah, I'm definitely happy she did it for Dean because I feel like Dean at this point feels so duped, you know, like, oh my god, I'm such a fool, I'm such an idiot, and she is basically telling him no, no, no, it was real. It was real. Let me ask you, let me ask you this. Do you know how that scene

made me feel? It made me feel a little angry at her because it felt like such a tease because when he opened the window and she started talking, you know what, she's because okay, let me ask you this. Let me ask you gals this. Um. What do you think Dean if she went to the window and he opened the window and she had said, I'm sorry, I want to come back, I want us to be a couple again, do you think, ay, that's even feasible for a person to do that and be Do you think

Dean would have said yes. I don't think he would think it would have said no, because he just knows that Jess is still there, Like he's not going anywhere. Okay, so that's where I think the stronger scene would have come from. I think you're right. I think that see that's the that's the move if she was really I want to be careful how I say this, and a lot of people say, look, you're you're putting Rory on a pedestal. And she's not the perfect person. She's got

a lot of flaws. What if she were was so smart that she went back to Dean and she said I want to come back, knowing full well that he would say no, and it would close. It would be good for him, so he could think, I don't think Rory. I don't also think she's she's one to play the Game's not day, it's not. It's been kind to Dean to give him because she's Look, if she's stronger and she's wiser, Um, you know, why not let him in

a real life I would have liked to have seen it. Okay, so this doesn't make a great TV show, So I admit that her write him a letter or an email like that to me would be like the move where you're like, I just wanted to send you this note, you know, teared up? Delete it? What are you're gonna do. I'm so sorry, but I think for the sake of this TV show, she needed to go over there and

say it. I also think she realizes, like, Okay, things are moving forward with Jess, this is happening, but if this is now going to be in Dean's face, I do need to go tell him. But I think I thought that that was really cruel that she did that. But think of how they ended in a fight on the dance floor at the dance marathon and they're not going to see so she comes back on his roof. He hates her, but he's caees her, so he's got hope. Now he's excited again, even though he's not showing it

inside irritated. I understand it, but he's still It's like here, there's the love of his life, right and she's on the roof, and he's in a power position, and he's just gonna play his part until she says the right thing. She could have convinced him to come back. And and think the reason I say it's a little cruel. It was kind of self serving just for Rory. This had nothing to do to help Dean out. It just drove right.

It was to clear her conscience, and it just drove the knife in deeper to Dean because she actually gave him a little hope in the beginning of the scene by saying, I just wanted to come by and say that. And you didn't know what she was gonna say, right she said, I just want you to know that. What does she say? I loved you in the past and now that we're not to get I mean, it was like Jesus, you're kicking the guy in then you know, once again, he's already down, he's trying to move on.

Now you come by to tease him. And I just thought it was a tease, and it was asking Dean to have a stiff upper lip yet again in the face of a huge loss in his life. And there she is in the flesh, sort of like being a little ambiguous in the beginning and then saying, well, I'm here to say that I'm really sorry, and I know you loved me and I loved you too, but we're really over, Okay, I've moved on. I mean, it's like

just it's like Jesus. But I definitely see it in like the girl's point of view, because Rory also wants like at the end when she's like, I hope we can be friends, Like she just wants everything to be like start over, hope they can be friends again. He was so great to her and her mom and like everything in her life. But I think she also like she wants that piece because I think she knows Jesse. Is it any different than what Richard did. It's essentially

the same thing. She's sort of manipulating or she's trying to do for her future. Had good intentions, she wants to say sorry. The way they ended was so screwy. She's she has good intentions with it. But I see what you're saying, so that it was so painful to Dean. Sometimes you really have to put yourself in the other person. How does that help him? I feel like it did

help him. I don't know, That's just my opinion because, like like I was saying, a little, you know, a little bit ago, I think he feels really stupid, like very stupid, like he was played, which in all honesty, he was, but I think it was it was a time for him to hear like, yeah, you know, I was played. But also she did have feelings for me, and I can at least know that I wasn't completely dumb in this relationship, you know, like, I think it gives him a little bit of okay, you know it

was us, but then somebody else came in. You're not completely stu up a Dean. You It sounds bad you got hosed Royally. I just felt I'm the most fabulous girl that you will ever meet. But hey, good news, Pal, I loved you once by. I feel like he deserved thanks for coming by, Rory, don't let that tree hit you on the question. For you, this is fun to do with you. Do you think, knowing what you know,

that we'll ever see Dean and Rory together again. I feel like he'll come back at some point, whether they're together or not, I don't know, but yeah, yes, he'll come back. I think if he's if he if he's this much of a glutton for punishment, he'll come back. He's got a taste for it now, Scott, I don't to say what's going to happen, But no truer words have ever got, No oh Man favorite lines. I think I did fashion. I mean I thought I just thought, hats off to loora lie. Her look was so good. Yeah,

she looked. She looked really good in this She's looking good in this season, isn't she? Yes, yes, yes, she looks really beautiful like everything. Favorite lines. I think this was when they were talking about going to the the taco place, crisp and meaty, and then Rory goes dirty like mine's Loura lie to Luke when Luke realizes that Justin Rory are meeting up together, and Loria le goes, if you'd like, I'd let you sniff rory sweater. Maybe the cent will help you track them down out. Oh

my god, that was brilliant. Yeah, that was brilliant. That scene was brilliant. And she said that and then look they cut back to look and he's looking at her. He goes, he goes, what do you find amusing? He considering did you see the look on his face like he just smelled a sour lemon? Like, what do you find amusing? Amazing? Sometimes, Oh god, who's that guy that played Look he's pretty good. He was pretty good. We gotta get him on the show. Favorite line, Um, this

is about the broken button. Emily says, I have a stare to go to tonight. What am I going to do? And lorel I says, drink a lot. It's easier to explain than not wearing a skirt if you're falling that he can't seen in the back. From there, we didn't talk about it. Very cute. The whole thing was that whole, from start to finish, from when they got to Yale all through up until they got to the Dean's office

or whatever. Where did they film that good question. I feel like we are missing a very obvious good line from Rory and Dean to I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, it's the very end when Rory goes, I hope some day you won't hate me anymore, and Dan goes, I hope so too. Oh yeah, and again again. I know I point this out every week. The whatever the word is, we need to get the word. The scene that's the christn though, is the kiss. And then

they always give us more. It's like it's really now I've realized, like a Gilmore thing, because you would think kiss kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, reread it's roll, but no, they always give you a little more and it almost is a down something, but it's the most important. Just when you think and I think, that's not all folks. But I think it's interesting to to show Rory in this light because look at what she's capable of doing to a boy's heart. Okay, look how desirable she is

and how special she is, but look what she's capable of. Right, So this so it's like Luke may be happy now, but Jess could get rorried. I mean you know that old line, you know you've been gilmourd. Right, Well, Dean got rorried, and I wonder if Jess is going to get rorried. Is Jess gonna get Rory? I I don't know. We'll see. But he's vulnerable now, he's vulnerable, he's weakening. Right,

It was good episode. Next week is a lot of people's favorite episode, really, the deep Fried Korean Thanksgiving Times. All of my nieces have seen Gilmore Girls so many times and this is one of their favorite. Really. Really, we watched this this Thanksgiving. We watch it on Thanksgiving? Who we who? We the Sugarman family, sugar they all

get together and watch this. Really, this episode, this is considered one of the great episodes of the whole It's a favorite, really, And good news for Danielle Halloween is overs are always gone. Um, well, I guess that episode, the Thanksgiving episode got romode. There you go, then, thank you for I've never felt more honored rode to remove it and in the Webster's definitions, to remove pumpkins from your premises to god. So good, alright, everybody that's gonna

do it. Great episode, really just I really relaxed into this episode. Is a very comforting, relaxing episode to see that family so bonded yet so dysfunctional, and boys getting their hearts tramped on. And it was also such an important episode I think, like moving forward. Care to elaborate, No, we don't have time. That's it. That's it. We got no more time. We're out. We're out, all right, everybody. Thanks best fans on the planet. Keep download, keep sending

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