"The Counter is a Sacred Space" with Ted Rooney (Morey) (S1 E5, “Cinnamon's Wake”)

but this is serious business. All I could think about it was like how pissed you were getting with the arm and the rubbing and the like holding. I was like, he is losing his leap right now. This is episode five Cinnamon's Wake, air date November two, two thousand, when both a distant family member and neighbor's cat die Lorelei, has to decide which wake to attend. Max and Lorela get their feelings for each other out on the table.

But what will Rory think of this? So listen, we're gonna We're gonna talk about Cinnamon's Wake, which was a delightful affair. It really was. It had many many many great lines. I mean, this was a superstar episode for sure. Uh. It highlighted the skills of so many people, um, a little bit, including myself. I got a little bit more into the episode. I actually had one of those funny physical comedy scene with Melissa McCarthy where we get stuck in the doorway. I mean, it was just I really

enjoyed that. There's a little tension between the two of them. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. But I gotta tell you, and I don't want to make this a regular thing here, but you know, the Luke rants are turning into Scott rants, and uh, I mean, I don't know if that's a good thing, but Jesus, I you know, listen, I am nothing if I am not honest, and that's bugging me. He's touching her, He's touching the elbow. He's like showing up there. You know. Suki is setting up.

She lights the table on fire, Lauren puts it out with some lemonade, and it's hysterically funny thing here. I'll actually drink one. I'll buy one and drink one. Um, all good stuff, and then you know we're having a rollicking good time. On the comedy train, and then all of a sudden, here's Mcmadina just drops in on a parachute. Boom, Hey, how are you doing? The ruins little room? And there he is warming his way in again. Good to see you. I'm glad you're here. You know, I'm fired up. I

can't take it. Was like he just appeared. It's like he came out of the bush. He's been watching, he's been stalking, and there he is and Mr Medina, Laurel, this is Mr Medina. Although she tapped him with that fire starter thing she like flirt e Lee tapped him on the chest. He did, oh, she did, right, Yeah. But the thing is is he asked her two come, you know, can you come with me from I mean he removed her. He's listen, my. The entire theme here

is about manipulation. He's manipulating her. Okay, this is pure and utter manipulation of another human being in an inappropriate setting. I'm sorry, he's manipulated. He's wearing her down because she's really resisting and she's saying all the right things. And I was so relieved watching Lorelei's character this episode because she's really defending, defending, defending the whole time, and she doesn't. Well let's I mean, I'll get to how she got

broke and down. But he's a master manipulator. Max Medina is a master manipulator. But he likes her. He just likes her, and and he knows she feels it too. He knows it's inappropriate. I told you before, you didn't listen to me. A man makes a choice, and he chose to be a manipulator. They do address it twice. They do have that conversation. This, this entire episode is designed to give Laurel I the impetus to go in

to this dating thing with him. That almost every scene is designed, even and we'll get into this, but even the scene where I pop at Suki, that's a scene that fuels her to go running into his arms because I mean, I kind of go waco on Suki. I mean it's a little over the top, don't I mean, I get really angry at her. She does, yes, yes,

but that was amazing. She does bring up that which I was directed there must be a rule again and this, and she says there's nothing in the handbook, And she says, well, I think it's an unwritten rule. Absolutely, but the thing and and especially the Bad Beat scene when Bad Beat is emptying the pills into the box and saying uh um. And this isn't structured in any way. You know. I'm sorry, but I'm just so fired up. I'm jumping around when

Bad Bat is putting the pills in. They have that scene in the kitchen at the at the wake, right and uh uh And Babett says one key line that further fuels Laura lay into the Max's arms. It's yeah, you just never know, you know what's going to happen, and and and and then your your baby's gone, and what are you gonna do with the rest of your life?

And then Lauren had that moment like oh wow, because you know, uh Rory's going away, She's gonna go away in a couple of years, and and what's she gonna have? So it all again, it becomes about her. There was there was a lot to it, because yes, from a distance, I understand why you're a little bit put off by it.

He's grabbing her elbow, he said, come on over. I mean this is right in the when they're doing the fundraiser, the bake sale, The bake sale bake sale, private school fifty seventy dollars in real money because of all the money to hitch up for. Once you pay the fifty, I know, you just lose your mind. I mean, he grabs her elbow again, come this way with me, like, he's like, no, I know. And then that's when he when she hits him with the heat. And then they get into the thing. I want to date you. I

want to think we should date. I want to date you. And then it's like and she's defending, defending, defending. I'm gonna you go, girl, that a girl. Get him off, you get him off you, you know, put out the fire, Put out the fire. How were you feeling during the coffee shop scene when she slides over there is arm rubbing. No, it's he took his left um and he rubbed the left arm above the elbow. And he did it twice,

and he did it. He did it three times that we saw from his point of view, that angle of the shot. I analyzed this last night. I analyzed this, and she noticed that the first time. Do you know how she noticed it? The first time she felt it, and she looked out, she didn't look at him, and she didn't look away. She just sort of looked up and there was a little bit of a smile on her face, like, boy, this guy's ballsy. Yeah, she liked being touched. It's it's surprised her. She liked it. And

then and then he started telling her the story. He started telling the story about his you know, the was it, who was it? The girl that he you know, the whole lie of a story, the bs. And then he did it again. He started rubbing with the thumb okay, and she looked down. That's when she the second time she looked down, it's gonna be okay, and it's like, wow, this guy's really like full court press here, and she smiled and it was like game on. Yeah, that's the

master manipulator, that is Max Madina. He made it physical and again he's got game. He's not a manipulator. He's got game and he knows she's into it, but she just needs this extra little push. I mean, if Luke would have been at the counter when Loralai and Suki are talking about her getting you know, you would have lost your mind. But I did. I did lose my mind, and I lost it indirectly at Suki and I did say to them, I don't know how you guys ever get any work done. Now he was he can hear.

That's his place, he hears, he knows what's going on. He can't show his cards right right right. He's not going to get you know, weep be about it. He's gonna get piste. I thought he was Look now that we're talking about it. I thought he was just mad at Suki for garnishing and salting and lemoning. But I got you. That was indirect anger for Lauren. Do we need to get you help? Like let it out? He needs magic risotto? So you okay? If you were not

Scott slash Luke. Do you totally dislike them together? No? No, I don't. I think they're good together. I like that, but it's it's not in that setting. The teacher mom, Rory is pleading with her own mother not to do this. She lied to her daughter. Why is Max knocking on our door? What's going on? Then it hits Rory like, oh, what what are you doing mom? And she's like no, no, no, no, no, it's nothing. You lied to me, mom. You didn't tell

me about this. No, no no no. And then then it's like you know, the max Medina manipulation virus gets on laurel Light and she starts manipulating her own kid right like, not justifying like this is okay. And then that final scene where it's like, you know, I won't do it if I mean, that's how that's how the manipulation virus

got around. But she was so adamant about dating that guy she gave Rory, a sixteen year old girl under a tremendous amount of pressure to keep her mother happy, guilted her into and and and you know, manipulators, or you know, some of them are very clever about it. They give the other person all the power to make the decision of what they're gonna do, knowing full well

what the answer is gonna be. Right, And she came back and said, it's okay, go ahead, Datum, but you know, okay, Thursday night, keep mount late, so you know, I can what ever I feel you. But I also think that Rory gave the thumbs up. I don't. I don't at all. She knew Rory knew full well and explained it to her mother before she said get help. At the end of the Wake the Cinnamon's Wake scene, Um what what hell this is going to create for her? At school?

She she listed all the things that are gonna go wrong for her. It's at Chilton if when this dating thing begins. I mean, she's sixteen. She knew it was going to be bad for her. It's already bad for her. Why are you making it worse? Mom? Why are you lying to me? Why are you going after this guy? What's going on? Get help? And Suki even calls her crazy. Suki said, oh no, no, Rory knows. She knows you're crazy. You know, that's all. And she goes, well, you know,

thanks for cheering me. Is it wrong that I kind of love it? No? I mean that's good television, right, That's that's what you need. You need conflict in television. But this it kind of borders on character degradation. I mean it's like how the balancing act and creating a character and and and writing is, you know, how do you create conflict and how do you get the character so close to the line where it almost starts to hurt the character? And I think they're walking a very

fine line there. It's it's it's it's very risky stuff. I agree, they're walking a fine line, which I went to the side of. But it's cute. But here's the thing. They're putting them in situations like Cinnamon's Wake, where they're being portrayed as so compassionate for BET's cat. I mean they were Rory was so sweet to Mari and he's what did MORI say, I'm I'll never eat clams again? And Rory said, mean me either, and just taps and

it was so sweet. It was so heartbreaking. That girl is so sweet, That character is so sweet and uh and then then there you go Laurelize over there. She she leaves to go over and be with her friend and comfort her friend. I mean, these are very compassionate people and it's hard to dislike them in that situation even though there's all this manipulation going on because Laura La needs to get some you know, because basically that's

what it was about. I mean, what what what why was the miss scenes are in shows and movies for a purpose, that all have a purpose. So Miss Patty is busted by Kirk and they said, you know, nothing unauthorized will go in your mouth again. You know that, you know, alluding to all this stuff, right, and Miss Patty is like she's always there's always sexual innuendo with Miss Patty everything out of her life. And that's when she says, won't tell a single soul that you don't

know that young man exactly. But that's the episode. The episode should be called, you know, sexual innuendo or yes, well somebody's going to get some. Okay, everybody take a deep breath, because we do need to come back, because there's so many parallels between Max and Lorelai and Rory and Dean. So yeah, maybe in through the nose, out

through the mouth. And Dean shows up at the at the last second and does the same thing that Max mcdina did to Laurela, saying, maybe this isn't such a good I look I like you, but I don't want to force you, and then he walks why she goes no, no, no no, And Dean does the same thing. He comes and says, look I like you, but I don't want to force you even to buy, and she goes, no, no, no, it's the same, it's the same deal. Because they've got game. Breathe.

I do have a question for Scott, Yes, would you have preferred the Chiltern Dad over Max? Good? Good one. No, none of them. Don't date these people. Don't bring your big city values into a small town and act like you can lord it over people. I mean, these are supposed to be small town values, and now you've got people macking on each other at the bank sale. That doesn't help doing small towns. What's going on? What are you doing? You're gonna blow up her education. You're gonna

get everybody southed. The school's gonna shut down in Hartford. You know it's it's a scandal. It's a potential scandal. That's why we watch. I'm gonna take a little sip of Scotty piece of Hey everybody. Uh, we're back with Scott Patterson and I am all in podcast I Heart Radio. We have a very special guest with us, uh this week, Ted Rooney. As you know, he played Morey, Dell and Gilmore Girls. Um, and I'm gonna read a little bit about Ted. He first appeared as Morey in a total

of nineteen episodes. Wow, I thought it was more than that, Ted, I think I counted a few more by IMDb, but somewhere up there and maybe twenty three or four. It seems like you were in almost every other one. You're from Portland, Oregon. You're the seventh of nine children. Wow. You're in your undergraduate degreen theater at Lewis and Clark College. You went on to receive an MFA and acting at Temple University in Philadelphia, my hometown. You're six ft six.

After college, you want to play semi professional basketball and Jeremy, I did not know that. Uh. Following your basketball crew, you move in New York City for six years pursue a theater uh and um, and then before moving to Los Angeles to continue see your career. While pursuing on camera television appearances, you acted in abundance of projects, including Legally Blonde, best known for Mari del and Gilmore Girls, Neo Natologist Dr tabash On e Er, I didn't know that.

And uh. John mc mcgargel McGarrigle McGarrigle on on the HBO series Boardwalk Empire. Boy, that was this. Um, So let's listen, Ted, Let's just start from the book. Let's just start from the beginning. How to get the part of Morey del on Gilmore? Oh, wow, this is quite a story. I walked in that trailer on the Warner brothers set and they laughed. Yeah, so that I know Sally Struthers had already been cast and they were looking

at somebody to perhaps contrast her, and what a contrast. Yeah, well all that energy and yeah, wow, I did nothing. I think I had one line, I said. They sat me down and I faked like I was playing the piano, and I said one line and they laughed, and then I left and I went on a trip to Mexico

with my friend John. Two week trip were three week trip where we're touring around the small villages surrounding Mexico City, the colonial villages, and I thought to check my answering machine at one point, and there were five messages from my agent, getting more and more distressed as they went. You know, one of those back in the day when you didn't have a cell phone, you had to check your messages. And the last one was you have to call today. You have to call today. And I called.

He said, they want to You need to get up here now, and so I I left Mexico and my friend and then shot this first episode that I was in, and then flew back to Mexico and joined my Friendtastic, who was in the room at the audition, do you remember, Uh was was thinking Amy was in there. But that's about all I could recall besides the casting director. I'm sorry, what's there? Yeah? Well okay, So what did you first think when you when you read the script? Um, you know,

what were your initial thoughts on on MORI? This is so weird that you're asking me, Uh, you know, you know the guest star routine, and you've been there and there's the whole happy family that does the show and you get to try and fit in as as best as possible and not knuck up the works, and and then you go home and you have your life and you have other roles you play and everything. And but the weird thing about Gilmore Girls is with his guest star role, people recall this and want to know about

it and what was your experience? And it was so much like my other guest star roles, you know, because uh, I unfortunately wasn't quite in the family. I U. For me personally, my hopes got I have to say, I got my hopes up like this could be, this could be. No. No, I mean you mean they didn't make you a series regular. That's what you're kind of referring to I mean as an as an actor, you know, you you want to have that regular gig and it kind of puts you

over the top. And but I'll also to be a part of truly a part of it, because community is hard to find as a guest actor as far as in the business. But to actually be on a set regularly where everyone's just happy to be there and you're all actors and you're working, I mean, what it's like doing you know, theater, you know at that point. But when you when you came to the set, it was always you know, everybody was uplifted because Ted's here. Ted's here.

Oh my god. It at just the fact that you're asking me these questions, you're interviewing me, and you're like one of the stars of the show. It's just this is weird. It's like John Cleese's interview me about some small role I had on TV once. Uh is so crazy girl, And I felt I felt it too about the show. I felt, It's like this is something special. The writing is so clever and so tight, and all the actors I'm meeting are good actors. This is gonna be great. And so I was in five of the

first seven episodes, and then I just looked. I just I hadn't thought about this, and sometime because you don't try not to think about these things, but I went back and looked, and it was five episodes of the first seven and the last episode I was in I think it was the birthday party for for uh, for Alexis, but I was in the Gilmore House with their tight circle celebrating, you know, Rory's birthday, and I just like,

this is it. Oh my god, I'm a part of this family, and you know, like wow, not just for business reasons, for just life reasons. It was so awesome and to be a part of a story that you can be proud of too, you know. And uh, you know, one of the one of the most satisfying parts of of having this podcast, not only uh after pitching it and making a deal with I heart, um, you know,

the most satisfying part of this. And this is something I always always kind of chafed at during shooting and the pr part of it and all that that everybody wasn't included, because everybody was such an important part of it. I mean, it didn't matter how small your role was or how many episodes, you did you know to the Gilmore fan base, which is you know, it's it's everywhere, trust me, because we're this podcast is charting in Mongolia, it's charting in in in as Are by John It's

I mean, it's everywhere. So the global fan base is it's everywhere. And you, your character, you're you're a star to the fan base that you're not thinking in terms of well, he didn't do them any episodes like you were there and you are part of this show just as much as anybody is. And that's the beauty because everybody, so many people got overlooked on this cast and there, and we're all so gifted, and these characters are also memorable. This gives us a chance to bring you on and

give you the credit that you decided hilarious. So what what'd you thinking? How do you explain more? Okay, okay, back to the original question, right, how do I explain more? Seriously? I mean, just say the line and stay out of the way of the furniture. Um, don't make too much

of it. The very the very first episode, I think it was um Michael Michael Cattleman and um he Michael Cattleman for those of you who don't know as a director on the show, and I think he was also an executive producer, and we all loved him and he was great. Yeah, so he was great and um uh the first scene, I'm like, okay, so I'll put it. I'll be this jazz artist and put a little voice on and and he stopped me after the first dangs like okay, so yeah, you know, just im just you know,

just talk. You don't have to do any of that jazz stuff, you know. And and from then on, I just I just you know, talked, and I was I was I'm that kind of faithful, nice guy who doesn't stand out except for his height. Um and uh, I'm it's that guy that decides to love Babbitt too. Uh to Babita, sorry you Christmas. So that's just like she's a crazy person. A lot of trips in Mexico. Okay, let me take a couple of less trips. You know, I'm kidding. I'm just I love this. This is so weird.

And uh, I'm that guy that just showed up for her and said, I love you. I don't care, you know, I just love you the way you are. And and um, so steady Eddie, you know, the perfect relationship. You guys were so in love and especially that's so touching scene. It's such a touching scene at the end of Cinema and fuag when and let's just go look at the stars baby oh man and you still Phillips. Beautiful, just

a beautiful moment. Was you guys made everybody feel what true love should be and just dedication to each other and true love for each other. It was It was very, very sweet. But just you know, you guys had some of the best moments in the whole series, which is why you are iconic. You are iconic. Ted Room, Oh my god, you can have anywhere in the world. Weize that's true. My wife was teaching when I met her. She was teaching in Slovakia, in high school in Slovakia.

So I went to visit her. This is when we were falling in love and I was courting her, you know, via a long distance, and so I went out there and spent a few weeks out there, and several of her students just went crazy when I walked in the room because they knew me immediately as Maury Dell and Slovakia. That was the first time that our TV shows really started to reach a mass the world kind of and um.

And on that same trip, we were in Czech Republic in Prague and the TV was on in the other roomors staying in this apartment, and Gilmore Girls came on and I came on randomly out of all the characters that could occur, and I'm speaking check and just weird, weird. I've got a million emails over the years of people live being in Europe and they did they text me or they or they email and say, you're speaking French right now, and exactly it's five A. I mean, I

cannot imagine what it's like for you. And it's a specific crowd because they're they're Gilmber Girls fans. Some people have never seen gilm More Girls, but the fans have seen them three or four or five times, and so we're etched in their brains. So you must have you must just like wherever you go, it's just nuts. It's hicock. Yeah, go ahead, No, I mean they're always you know, they're not.

They don't go crazy. They they they're very very um um gentle and very respectful and they're just really nice and they just want to share with you what the show has meant to them over the I mean it's very very nice, that's true. I think that is we we are a part of their family, or they've become more girls. Feels like family for them too, just like get felt with me when I first arrived. Um. And so it's less of uh, it's less of a worship

and more of like your hey family. So listen, Marie del husband to Sally Struthers, Babbett or Babbitt, whatever you want to call her. Did you love working with Sally? What was that like? Oh? First day? Um? Uh, little little hint. I know who Sally Struthers is. Um, very well. We're sitting on the set together next to each other the first time I'm talk I'm just I haven't even officially met her. We're just sitting right next to each other. And she goes, huh, it's so hot. And I said, yeah,

not like the Portland's days. Huh. And she she did one little double take and looked at me and said, are you and Rooney's son? And uh, she totally got it right away. My dad was one of her favorite teachers in high school here in Portland, Grant High School. Yeah, yeah, and we always had it all in the family picture up in his office that was signed by Sally Struthers. Uh. So we were very well acquainted with who Sally strut was.

She was Grants rock star and so to sit next to her, I just couldn't I was like, oh Kidney, Candy Storey, couldn't wait to you know, let her know. And her reaction was priceless. She just one breath your ed Rudy said, aren't you like Yeah, And so of course we're you know, fast friends after that. Yeah, and she comes up to Portland once in a while and so she we've had her over for tea and she's, uh, she's my son Abes fairy godmother. Yeah, she agreed to

do that for us. Yeah, she's great. What was the best moment you had with her on set? Can? Is there one that really sticks out? That? Just? Well, one thing, she was always looking out for me, you know, she's she does that you know with younger actors, and um, they always wanted to me were sunglasses, and I was happy to do that. But Sally's like your eyes, your

blue eyes, they gotta see your blue eyes. Take you some glasses off, and she would she would have me take them off so that the whoever was in charge had to have me put them back on, and uh that she was always trying to get me to say, he can do you need a few more lines? Could you see a few more lines? But but one of my favorite moments was with her and Liz. Uh. We were out by the out at the the hacienda or who are Laura Lie you know runs and the two of them we were we just had a few lines

in the scenes. We're just holding court and yucking it up, and it was getting ridiculous because they were laughing their heads off and everybody's laughing their heads off, and you can see a couple of suits that were kind of nervous, like if you gotta be shooting here, but just hilarious. Listening to them riff with each other and bounce off of the other is priceless. To to get to know this person who I you know as a kid. It

was just this icon. Think had I just surreptitiously recorded the Sally Um Liz Torres conversations and routines that they did on set. I mean that stuff. Oh yeah, all the time shooting a scene. You know, they were riffing back and forth. It was it was, it was magic. It was just like old school. It's old school storytellers, you know, the old the old comedian comedians and actors that have all those stories. I could just listen forever. So you guys, did you guys have that great chemistry

from the start? I mean, I mean you told the story, so the chemistry was there, but on while you were acting? Was that chemistry did that translate over into the acting sign because it really well. She she was the leader, you know, of the unit and as a person, she was the leader of our unit and as our in our relationship. You know, where she'd lead, I would father there you go. Um, what do you remember best from Cinnamon's Wake? From Cinnamon's Way? Yeah, because the both of

you look so great in that episode. What what is the thing that you remember most about Cinnamons? I clearly remember that last moment you're talking about, UM and I think it was one of the shows I end up watching and UM And what was cool about it was one of my favorite artists, Sam Phillips, who wrote a lot of the music for and everybody's familiar with that for the show, wrote a little piece for that moment.

And uh, it was at the Christmas party that year when uh a t Bone Burnette was married to her at the time, and understanding, next teaboard Burnette is about my height and you can't miss him, and we're at the food and I just kind of started to mention that I was a fan of his and a fan of hers and and uh, and he said, hey, well you should come meet her, and he dragged me over

to meet Sam Phillips. And Sam Phillips was all like excited to see me because she had written this little, you know piece for that little scene and and just to be a part of Gilmore Girl. She was like a thrilled fan herself. And I couldn't believe it because I followed her career since I was in high school. She definitely one of my favorite singer songwriters of all time. And and uh and then she's like, could I meet Lauren?

And so I brought Sam Phillips over to meet Lauren. Um. Just one of those surreal moments where, you know, because I'm just a guy from Portland, it just feels weird to be running in those in that realm. But to have met Sam Phillips and for to have her have written a little jingle for our scenes introducing people what's happening exactly, so super super cool. Yeah, that was from Cinnamon Cinnamon's Wake. It was just a nice, simple, you know, just be present and be with each other moment. So

you know that that happened to me. I mean there was several times over the years where you know, the massive celebrities, uh would be in video village watching a scene and then you'd come out, you know, you'd come out from the diner and you go sit in your chair and you'd PLoP down and you you'd say hello to somebody and then turned back like that's Brian to Palma, like what's going I know? And the only thing, the only thing I could say to him was because we

were born on the same day. I said, hey, you know we're born the same day. That thing we're trying to find that we could say, you know, that's that's so funny to be you know, somebody like you is is obviously very successful actor has the same experience. But then you hear the stars on TV shows talk about the same experience there their movie stars there, you know, they're just the top of the the heap and they meet somebody and just turned Gaga on. They're like that

scene with the telephone. What you did. I walked into a diner one day and there's Norman Mailer sitting there through scrapped and you know it's like this Norman Maylor. Right. No, it's just like sort of normal average. You know we're gonna shoot a scene, No big deal. Yeah, that's just what a great experience that is. So the house, Look, that house was so tiny. Uh your your house by Bettan Mori's house was so small. Did you ever bump

into things? Did you bump your head? Well? I have a lifetime of ducking, so I mean trouble when we were a baseball cap because I don't see those things coming. So I have hit my head many times, but I didn't happen to on that set. That was one of those things too. It is like they built a house for us. This is we're in here one of those none of the moments. Right next door to the Gilmour girls. Wow, wow, can you play the piano? I can? I'm a hack?

Can you play? Can you still play the Cinnamons Wake song that you played in did you were you playing that song. No, no, they have me. They had me listen to it and you know mine. So now I I if I would have been playing that, you could have told that I was not a professional jazz musician, but I might have been able to bang it out a bit. Yeah, let me ask you this, did you consider yourself, um a father figure to Rory on any level? Where is this question coming from? Um? From the fans? O? No,

dad really really really intelligence? Now you mentioned it. You know, I'm a I'm a grown man living next door and she doesn't have a dad. You know, we did have a moment. Oh, we did have a great moment. It's in his wake, that's right where she sits down next to me. That was beautiful, beautiful moment. Yes, and she puts her hand on me, and uh and what was the final dialogue? Claims and clams. I'll never clams again.

But she comforts me with something that's right. Neither will I and I look at her look on her face and a little bit I was very She was great. Yeah,

Alexis was such for as young as she was. She talked about never push, you know, just bring enough and bring bring come as you are so real and and It's one of those things where you see a really good actor and you're watching from ten feet aware and you're like, hey, they're really not doing much, you know, And then and then we watch them on the camera, it's like the whole story is there and it's seamless and it's just easy. She made actually new act without

being terribly trained. Yeah, exactly, Wow, she did, and she walked right into a masterclass with all these monster actors, you know, she did, and she not only held her own, but I mean, I don't think there was a better character in all of television the last twenty years or now last forty years, forty one year. Um, yeah, so vulnerable, so sweet, Yeah, so so easy to root for, you know, totally. What's your favorite thing about the following people? Sally Bet

what's my favorite thing about the following people? Oh, Sally, We're bad, bad, which both her spirit, her joy of life, her leading with her voice. Rory alexis uh that there are two sides of one coin. They're together they make one solid, unbelievably perfect woman. Lauren Laura Line Lauren Laura la Oh Uh, she's large and in charge. Get out of her way, man, She'll take over if you want just get out of her way. Um, you know, think

about the amount of dialogue. Oh my god, she had to deal with every like every my freaking you had to stay single folks, single focused, and she had to do her job. She had a job to do. That. That's not just two days a week or three days a week. That's five and then going into Saturday, so it's really five and a half. Can't I can't even imagine. And I hear there was a coach on set you could kind of run lines. Yeah, yeah, George, he probably, I mean the show. He lifted the show to another

level of that help. Actors were then free to be because they got past that. I teach I teach acting. And the thing, especially with comedy like this that's so tightly written, is a half the job is just getting past the dial forget about the character, for not get past that dialogue, so you can be free to be. Until you're there, you're in your head and you're hanging on and you're you're no man's plan. You don't want to be there, George, George, I don't want to be there.

You don't want to be surviving and hoping. The word comes to you. You gotta be bulletproof. I don't want it. You know, you've got to reel it to control it. Yeah, and George Belt provided that. Yeah. Absolutely. Last just last week, I had a couple of actors doing a scene from Gilmore Girls, because I love to bring bring those out because of the that that's required, you know. And it's like, basically, my coaching is tighter, faster, come on, let's go, let's go.

And then when when they get it there, they start to discover things about the kiduse it's so well written. You just have to ride that wave. They don't have to do that character work as much out of your head. You just say it. Yeah, and the character appears miracularly. Um, so listen, you know I I have a confession to make. I did borrow a few things from the set and and took them home for safe keeping. Did you did you? Did you steal anything from the set? Let me come on,

there's about five million people listening right now. So how many years do we have before they can track us down? They can't track us down anymore. I think I think we're free now. Um. I couldn't help it. Um, I went into your dinner and uh, we had one of the one of the biggest fans out there was in our life and I took one of the cups from the one that was one that was on camera and we Yeah, I had to had to fill up police reports, the whole thing they put me into. But you know

the show was over. It was when the show was over the last I'm making a phone call after we get over this. Right now, we're gonna solve this caper. So look, we've been talking about uh and he's this last episode and this one Max Medina. Um, do you feel ted that Max was inappropriate with Laureline? I really want to know. That's the question at hand. What does he get away within this He's he's taking her up, He's taken around in this episode, right he shows up

in Cinnamon's wake to take her out. Uh And and Rory doesn't even know about it, and he's cool with that and he is so I don't trust him. I don't trust him. And I feel like when he walks away there, he's being a little manipulative and he's like, Okay, well, okay, I guess you know. Um no no, no, no, no, please please please, Hey, I really like you, but I don't want to force you into anything. And then especially I'm I'm just a good guy. I'm being a good guy here. I'm such a good guy. I happen to

be your daughter's teacher. I'm gonna blow up my career. I'm gonna ruin her education. I'm probably get Chilton sued. But I really want to, like, you know, you know, I want to get you know what's going on here? You know what you know, lauralize feeling the romance of the potential of true love. I'm not sure he's thinking that, you know what. I don't know either. I think he was really thinking Laurel I. He probably wouldn't be doing this. He's rubbing her arm. Did you see that? He's rubbing

her arm? He doesn't even sure he's touching her elbow. He's rubbing her arms, rubbing, rubbing, rubbing. Man, if I'd have seen that, if my character would have seen that, it would have been all over all over for that. So you and me, right, you know, like you got to talk to my buddy. Well, if you don't have my knack off for Laurel I, you're gonna have to talk to my buddy over here. Mario okay, pal, So I'm not quite sure I'd be that direct because he

seems pretty much there. I'm go and smash his Mustang mirror, the mirror on his Mustang. I would destroy that mirror. I don't think I have colonies that you have. I know, Luke Wood, oh Luke, which we get really ugly, just like bloody you know, he's bloody pulp and it's like you has to go to the hospital. And now the Gilmo girls takes a serious turn. How nice did your hair look? Now? Mussing you? Oh my god. No, but we love Scott Cohen where it's just the character. It's

just the character. I don't trust him. I agree, I don't trust him. But he played it beautifully, didn't he And he was supposed to play it that way. So it's just a beautiful manipulated Yeah, that's what I said in the last secment. The guy used the manipulated. He's just and he just he's like he's so turned on by her that he's like he can't stop touching her. Bugs me, it bugs me even now. Oh uh to give a ride and that must dang that cool convertible Mustang, Yeah,

come on, think about it. Come on, that's all a part of his show, Trapp. He wanted to get his own show, he wanted a spin off show. He fought for it. But no, and the and truth wins out. Yeah, for I'm cheesing and cheesing ching, we're frying for I'm sorry. But by by the end of this season that we can't talk about that, right, I talk about anything you want. But I don't think they start to get pretty pretty serious.

I haven't either. I think I did. Yeah, I mean I haven't seen the episodes, but I know that I sort of know a couple of the facts. I mean, I was there, so this conversation was ongoing, you know. Yeah, it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see if you grow to trust him a little more with time, you know, if your instincts proved maybe wrong. No, that's no, no, I will never know. I'm not going to trust the manipulator who places his own needs above that of of

one of the students. Yeah, I mean, come on, come on. I also just don't don't think he's thinking of Laurel I first, exactly, And he's he's definitely thinking of himself first, maybe Laurel I second. But Rory last and Chilton a distant fourth. Yeah, you know, we're going to get some guys together with crowbars. Were gotta we're gotta fix this situation. We'll mess up that car. I got the mirror, I got the rear view mirror covered. I don't know. I think,

to me, that's a nice cars. And then we show up in the and say, you know, and we pull up to the dragon Fly, you and me like you're in the back seat. I'm driving, or maybe you're driving. I'm in the back seat. We pull up to the dragon Fly, I'm the driver. Yeah, And and and we say, I got the Tommy gun. Hey, hey, how you doing? You do you want to come out on the race track a couple of days you color style? Yeah? Anyway, I'm so happy for you that it all worked out

in the end. I'm so happy for you. You know, groveling works anyway. So we're gonna do a segment called Rapid from the Boy are they are you have points? Is the score? Can I win something? Can I win some Scotty coffee? Sure, I'll send I'll send you up. Okay, but I got to do well? Right? Oh? Boy? Is it faster the better that's what. How do you like a coffee? Uh? Practically muddy? Can you smell snow? Yes? S n O. W Are you team Logan, team jess A Team Dean? Uh? Team Dean because he's on super

Super Supernatural and he's so awesome. It shows over he's on a new show. Well, who's the daddy? Who's who's the daddy? Ry's baby daddy? Oh oh oh, that's it. Creeps me out, that whole thing. I'm sorry, that just I'm not happy with that whole scenario. I am not. I don't even want to comment. I don't approve. Okay, that's the prude in me. I'm sending you coffee. Yeah, creeps me. I can't believe it. I was I've never won anything uffy well gold gold. What's the best memory

of Gilmore Girls? Best memory of Gilmore Girls? Uh? Oh yeah yeah. I just just meeting Sally Struggle and having my dad, who was her favorite teacher on the set, hanging out with her and we got pictures together. What a happy That's great, What a nice moment. Wow, full circle, that's that's great. Favorite Friday night dinner meal Friday night. Oh like the Gilmore Girls in state because you know, I don't know you were you you were never at a well I should say, okay, so let me see

my wife's a mushroom pasta. But actually Friday night disorder outnight so dues dues Karaaki the local Yeah, gut bomb ye, I love it. What's the show you're binge watching right now? Uh? Cramp Um Martin Freeman. Uh, parenting about parenting? Uh, Breeders and cast. Remember you texted most recently? Uh? Sally Yeah, Sally, Yeah. We've gone back and forth through the years, Ted, Ted, this has been Uh, this has been a lot of fun. I gotta why do they want to interview me? I

don't have anything to say. Well, I think I think you know, it's obvious why we wanted to interview. You're a great interview for sure. Cry. I've never interviewed. I was so nervous because you get interviewed all the time. I've never I mean rarely, rarely. The most I was interviewed was when we went to this um thing on the East Coast for Gilmore Girls about five years ago.

The big Um, one of these big casts. You know, everybody fly over there and hang out in the town, and it was based this, The show is based on and and And they gave me a microphone, and you know, because I'm so quiet on the set and people have never really got to know me. Uh, that was their first mistake. All the cast members are up there on the stage and I'm answering half the questions and I'm just like you. Nobody else is gonna say. I'm gonna say I got I got something to say. But I

was having fun. But you could see the casts like, who is who was he on the show? Is he talking so much? But that was fun, But I just have I'm so intimidated. But a man talking so much? Why what's going on here? The men have to be quiet? I mean, what's that? Why is why is the actor talking? That's what I'm always told. I said, I tell myself, don't talk. Don't talk because I'm against our actor. You can't You're not supposed to like, just why is the

actor talking? We were basically just the pets. We were the pets, were the set pets. We're so lucky to be there, so so lucky to be a part of that show. Said Pat, Yeah, buddy, we got We're gonna reach out to you, get your mailing a dress. I'm gonna send you some coffee, okay, because you're such as, what's your coffee? Like, uh, it's Grade one specialty coffee. It's beautiful. So is there like an espresso or regular or is there just the standard like Luke's Diner coffee.

We have some whole bean and we have mostly just ground. Yeah, we have cups. Okay, great? What does that mean? Grade wood, Grade one specialty coffee means it's the best of the best. Do you get that stamp? What do you gotta do to get that stamp? You got? Oh? Yeah, I get it. Okay, you know, it's a whole thing. It's a whole it's a whole another conversation, but it's it's it's very complex and it's expressive. Yeah. So but my coffee is not expensive,

so it's awesome. You're really gonna send me something. What kind do you want? Yeah, there's different kinds. There's we have. You know, we have a hundred different Do you want stuff? What do you want to express? The dark stuff? The dark stuff? You want dark roast? You want to dark thick? Like I said, you know, like, okay, I send you a I'll send you a house, Blend, send you a breakfast Blend, send you a French roast, you know, French roast.

That'll do it. So yeah, if you send me a couple, I'll get to use a couple, but I want to save one and put it on my shelf. So yeah, so good good, alright, alright, great talking to you, Ted, and uh best everyone back there, and well you know what, I have a feeling, uh, you're going to be back on pretty soon. Yeah, yeah, if you want to. Yeah, I want to reoccurringly, potentially reoccurring. Oh my god, that's music to my years. No, um um okay, I uh yeah,

for sure, for sure, please please please. This has been one of the most surreal experiences of my life. I'm in my son's bedroom, you know, with a little notes stuck over this screen about Gilmore Girls to try and remember to say something, and talking to Scott Patterson. I'm like, what the hell is going on here? Is so surreal and you're laughing at my jokes too. It's like he looked like my brother when you're laughing like my brother. Yeah, alright, alright,

we gotta thank you, we gotta go. Thank you so much for your time. Ted All the best. Stay safe, all right, we'll talk so all right, buddy, what a doll. Oh my god, he's the sweetest ever. Oh my god, what a nice guy. Wow. And he really jumped on board your manipulation. Oh it did. He wasn't even prompting, he didn't even hear us say it. And then he said it. I still love Max. I love Max. She's getting destroyed. Alright, gang, that was that was too much fun.

We gotta recover here. You could take a little break. We'll be right back with the podcast after these messages. Yet, everybody, we're back. I'm Scott Patterson. I am all in podcast. That was none other than Ted Rooney, all six ft six of him from tall tall, A tall drink of water? Is he? And uh, what a great guest. Oh my goodness. He was hilarious. What a sweet man, right, I mean, what a complete doll. Exactly how you'd think more would be perfect. More is so sweet. And that's Ted man

speaking of not so sweet. You really kind of a feuding with Suki in this episode. You've guys got some tension. There's well, you know, we're we're two master chefs, if you will, you know, vying for the same turf he screened her at the counter. That kind of shoved each other, although I did think it was gentlemanly of you that you let her go in aheash at the week a

little there was a little we got. We we tried to go into the door with Mori and Babette's house door with small doorway the same time we got stuck. It was a funny bit. Nobody didn't push anybody. She didn't push me. Chevy shove shove shoving, nobody shoving, no one, Lady. I wouldn't shove her. She wouldn't shove me. I just tried to get ahead of her. That's why I said, you know what you got in there, Luca, I'm just bricks. And I tried to rump the stairs by her. I

wasn't shoving, I was. I was going trying to. I was attempting to pass her to get into Squish Squish the full player for how where everything should go? And you're just like, how had it? The brilliance of that scene stuck in the door where it was a camera angle wasn't anything we did. We were the camera angle was looking up at us, and it made it that much funnier um, and it made the door seemed that much smaller it was. I laughed out loud on that that that that was fun to watch. And then she

made a little she made a little move. She faked me out when in first and I just stood there. I thought you were gentlemanly about it, like ladies first, I don't think so. Okay, we were going to talk about Rory and Dean and Max and lor La. And did you notice that Dean on the bus said goodbye lor Lye Gilmore and Max said the same line parallel, both manipulators, both um trying to guilt them into a date.

You know, probably Dean is Max Medine is illigion him a kid from another mother from seventeen years ago, you know what I mean, from another state where he pulled the same garbage and got fired, had to leave the state. And that's gonna be like in the part two of the Revival Servers one. You know, boys that are a little bit shy, dipping their toe in the water, but trying to work their game. But I said, listen, I

think Dean was genuinely put off. I think he genuinely sort of laid down his sword and said Wow, I don't really want I don't want to bother you, you know, because she really she did was not terribly friendly to

him on the bus. I mean she was kind of uh, I mean she was so overwhelmed by it, you know that she reacted in a way that could be interpreted by a sensitive young boy, as Dean was as being like, I'm not interesting it away from me, you know, they the bus, I know you, we're just going all the way to Hartford. You gotta get off. Bus driver, stop the bus. You know. She's just shy and awkward, shine awkward. That's all right. I don't know how to handle it

from that, another tall drink of water. The legitimate son of Max Medina that we're gonna find out, we're gonna find we're gonna peel that layer back and we're gonna be shocked. It's gonna be shocking. Um. But no, I think he I think he was being very earnest, uh. And I don't think he was being manipulative. It was it was just something in his DNA from his father, Max Medina. But but I think Max was I think

he was being manipulative. Well, it was shocking to me that Ted a k a MORI used the word manipulative and he did not hear us before. He didn't, So that was that's two dudes. Now that thought Max was manipulated, where I think he's charming and just has a lot of times I would be dude one. I'm dude one and you're dude One's actually he's dude one. I'm dude too. Um yeah, no, that's that's I just think Max really likes lore Lie and is going for it. He's very bold.

He is super bold because he literally said I think we should date. It was like, not like I think we should hang out or go on a date, it was I think we should date. And I was like, WHOA, how much do you have to think of yourself? I mean you must think that you're pretty hot stuff to disregard your career, your code of unwritten code of ethics, your students future, uh, and the relation. But I mean that could fracture the relationship between mother daughter. He didn't care.

He just wanted to rub, rub, rub thumb and then he wanted to rub other things and rubb and that's all he was thinking about. Okay, totally unfit to be in an authority figure. You know what I mean, he was. It was totally unfit. The only part I did think was a little weird was when, because I love Max, I'm all Max from Team Max right now, was when he said I know how to be discreet. That that gave me a little bit of a But it's like that that's a sign of a professional who's done it

many times. That's a serial violator of ethics. That was a hint, creepy. I'm hoping he'll come back strong from that, which she does, I don't know, I'll say, am I gonna be triggered further by this character? Oh God, poor Cinnamon. We haven't even talked about poor Cinnamon. Yeah. Well that was probably the funniest scene. You know, Sally Struthers is a comedy genius. She knows how to take a funny

line and make it just laugh out loud funny. And I knew it, darling when he fell off the couch and shut across the wax floor and ran into the lightning. He didn't move after that, you know, I mean, it's like, really, how funny is that woman? How she's not? I'm gonna keep saying this until people tell me to shut up. That woman deserved Supporting Actress nominations up and down the wazoo on all the big awards, and she never received one.

It's crazy, crazy, crazy, And Rory says, our town is weird, and thank god, thank god, right, thank god, Oh my god. We didn't even talk about in the very beginning opening scene the dinner, the Friday night dinner without Richard because he's in Germany. That banter that was hilarious and your cousin and I don't know this cousin. And but it's like it's like the contempt between and that's the nuclear fuel, right, The contempt between mother and daughter is so palpable. I mean,

those two just hate each other. I mean, she hates her own mother, such a purple passion. So good though, and then yeah, and then the call at the end of the episode. But I mean no, but but at the end of that dinner scene, you know, Rory laughs at Emily. Yeah, yes, and it's like Emily wins again. Emily wins again, and Rory was the one saying, don't tell her you went to Cinnamons. You're gonna hurt her feelings. Rory's always sort of trying to play both sides because

she loves them both. It's Laura rubbing off on Emily with her humor and her jokes. No, that's where Laura I got it exactly, That's where she got it from. So she took that sort of you know, that very sophisticated, very educated, sort of big city mentality and put it into Stars Hollow and this is what you get. You get people running around their own daughters backs, trying to mac with the with the Max Medina, that's what you get.

And you get those any conversations at dinner which are just like, huh, I mean she you know, didn't mock Suki because she didn't know what metaphorically meant right when she was at the diner, right, so like showing the level here and uh, but they're still great friends. Still loves it, the whole thing. But and then she has you know, you know, she becomes the Suki in the in the dinner scene where the mother is like talking right over her head. She doesn't get it. So I'm

Riley and here's our pop culture references. Rory's at the bake sale at Chilton and she asks for home home goods and Roy says it by someone other than Dolly Madison. Dolly Madison was a you know, a commercial chef, right, it's some kind of Dolly Madison products and cakes and correct, they definitely eat those. At the Gilmore Household, Laura Lai talks to Lane and says, where does your mom think you are? And Lane says on a park bench contemplating

the reunification of the two care years. There you go North and South Korea. Yeah, you know, I can't really get into politics here, but let's not touch that. And Laura says, not here. Skanking to Rancid, Rand said the band Ransid the band? Is that a death metal their death metal? Yeah, punk rock band, Max says, very Henry the Eighth Laura's Laurel I says, we're not into subtle. I need to research Henry that he history lesson on that Luton not a subtle person, overweight, overeater. I have it.

But it was also Shakespeare play and in the blay a cannon shot employed for special effects and ignited the whole theater. Oh so, not not here for subtle the Globe theater. It's get about the Globe theater. WHOA. Rory's talking to Lane and she says Philadelphia, and Lane says, and night Shamala lives there. Wait a minute, that's my hometown. Were they just in my hometown for no? Did you know a night Shamlon is from your hometown. So there a lot of people from my hometown, A lot of people,

a lot of great people. I also think that reference works. It was an attitude. It's like, of all the cities in the world you want to live, you choose Philadelphia, like see, it's an attitude on the northeast really because they consider Philadelphia to be you know, it's a thing. You know this right, it's a thing. Laurel I says, life is a funny thing, huh, and Suki says, yeah, I love that. Jim Carey, Oh yeah, the painter works.

The painter. He's a painter. Yes, Jim Carey is a painter. Painter, also dumb and dumber and also one of the funniest uh the Awards Show appearances ever when he dressed up like the cool the Rocker stoned out rocker and he gets up there to accept an award and get yeah, Suki says, oh, very serious face. Sean Paul Sarte, father of existentialism, whoa no idea. Correct, Wow, you didn't know Sartra all that stuff? All right? Luke says, you don't do yoga on the DOLLI Lama's matt. I got that.

You don't step on Superman's cape. That's another good one. It's a little Jim crow chy for you. Yeah, you don't know who that I do? Are you kidding? Jim crow chy Um Loreal I says information that would have come out eventually, like the Iran Contra scandal. And then they mentioned Oliver North. Correct, did you get that, youngster? I did not. Yeah, you're not gonna know. That's when Reagan was trying to raise money for or fighting communists

in Nicaragua, and the Congress wouldn't prove fine. I don't want to think about what they're not teaching you kids, and go around and do they did some things? They did things. Girls is really exposing my lack of history knowledge that it's a weakness. I found. You gotta be smart to watch Gilmore Girls, because if you're gonna get all these references, you got to know a lot of stuff. And all the movies and the cartoons, just not the history. There's two more. Keep going, Loya I says, you can't

always control who you're attracted to. You know. I think the whole Angelina Julie Bob Thornton thing really proves that. The love that line because even though now we think about Angelina Julie with Pitt, the Billy Bob Thornton era was pretty uh amazing and they were wearing their blood around each other's necks. I think, like, you know, when I when she was young, and when she first came out, I you know, I think everybody had a big crush

on her. Um I actually wrote two screenplays for her. Yeah, I tried to get him through to her people, and I knew I knew her manager, and I tried to slip him a script. But when she the Billy Bob thing happened, I didn't understand it at the time. But then, um I met him socially and he's he's actually a pretty cool dude guy. He's a really nice guy. Yeah, he's an interesting, smart, talented, cool So there's a lot, you know. You know, he's a very good writer, he's

a very good actor, he's a very good musician. You know, he's a multi life in it. So there's yeah, you know, and she you know she's an l A girl, right, she grew up. She grew up in l A. And that's their free spirited, freewheeling types of gals. Man. Yeah, blood wearing, the necklaces, the trends, everything comes from California, right, Okay, the last one I have, Laura I mentioned she wants to be part of the Bengals, which I had no idea. Who that was Manic Monday? What walk like an Egyptian?

I do know that one I didn't know was the bank good? And what was interesting is when you made the show they were broken up. They have since gotten back together. Yes, Susannah Hoffs was the lead singer and they had broken up, but they are back together. I mean, I don't know if they're like touring right now, but yeah, they definitely united and went on tour. Yeah, there's there are opportunities for touring for all those like seventies and

eighties bands and they're still they can still do it. Yeah, Riley, you need to get on your iTunes and listen to Manic Monday. That's my homework on it. My favorite line was from Emily when she's on the phone Laura line. She says, I'm looking up aneurysm in our medical dictionary to see if I just had one. The counter is a sacred space, my sacred space. Oh that's my line the cut. Um. You know I had a couple. Uh,

you know, I can't. I can't get over Michelle. I just love I just love him when he when he turns here and says kill me, kill me now, like I love that guy. Um. And then uh, I think, really that that competes with there's so many good lines. Jesus, oh we forgot let us and a mouse trap let us and then no, but I think Emily at the end when she says, oh, what you're going to a raccoon's wedding next or something, it's like, you know, you know Emily was going to deliver the goods, you know it.

So so it's the tie long shall we remember cinnamon? But you know, look, the up shot here is for me, right, because since I'm experiencing this for the first time, the upshot for me is, you know, we're talking a lot about this what I consider to be a smarmi uh, private school teacher who's acting in inappropriate and unethical ways. But the thing that we're not mentioning is um and we have we've we've alluded to it a little bit.

But but how sweet these this mother daughter is too take time away from studying for warry and take time away from her job at the Dragonfly to come over and comfort babette, throw a party and he comes to good, throws her a party maker feel good. They're worried about her. You know, it's a big deal. The mother doesn't understand.

That's exactly what Laurela needed to get away from so that she could live a real life and really love people and know what real community was, and know what real love outside of the country club was and outside of you know, a status driven life and out of all of that stuff that makes people incredibly nasty, um and not inclusive. So she wanted to be in a

place that was real. And yeah, she might you know, have brought with her the d n A and some of the condescension and the the quippy, quippy equippy lines and the you know, looking down her nose at certain people. But I think she genuinely loves being there, and she loves the people, and that's how she wants to raise her daughter. That's why I think Sinnamon's wake was so it was so powerful for me because look at this, everybody wants to live in a town like that. A

lot of people do live in towns like that. Where is there somebody's cat dies and it's like it's an event and you want to go comfort that person. And what a beautiful testament to um those characters that they took the time to be there for each other, whether there's little conflicts here and there. I think the Maxi mcdina thing is like, that's an outlier. That is just like that's Darth Vader coming in and into a little a little nice little village and he's gonna blow it off.

It's like, you gotta defend, you gotta defend the good, the good versus the evil. But um, you know, very very charming episode, I mean, very very touching, and I think, uh for me acting wise, uh, Sally Struthers stole the show. She moved me so deeply that you could really feel the loss and her trying to overcome it and giving that that motherly advice to Laurel I too. You know, you know, don't you know, maybe Darth Vader isn't such a bad idea, you know, dating. I apologize to George Lucas. Um,

but anyway, yeah, that's the takeaway from me. Also, um, you know just how sweet Rory is godo. I mean, just just such a vulnerable, sweet yet you know kind of she's you know, she's got she's a little bit tough underneath, you know, don't mess with her. And now we are going to get to see everything happened. But she's not gonna lose who she is at her core, which is this sweet, trusting girl. Um, in order you know,

to get to get through life. She's gonna she's maybe the one that's going to stick to her her real small town core values because she doesn't have She's got the the the Emily DNA obviously right, Uh and she has that, but it's not it hasn't corrupted her. Um and and it probably won't. But very sweet character. I just I just I really think that that Rory Gilmore is the heart of this show. I don't think it's

the relationshipship between Lauren and Kelly. I think it's it's really just about it's about Rory and her relationship with her mother and she's got to deflect all this crazy stuff happening in her life because these people are so toxic and they're so narcissistic, and sometimes they can be really selfish. On the other hand, because they're human, they can be you know, they have their flaws, but they're also you know, doing that. Everybody's doing the best they

can and they're making some mistakes and that's life. So anyway, I'm I'm really hooked on the show. I really love this show. I really do. It's it's it's it's toying with my emotion. It's really putting me on a roller coaster. So buckle up because I think next week is Rory's birthday party, and I feel like, whoa, something's big. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. It's just such a it's such a wow. I mean I almost I was, you know, it was midnight. I wanted had to go

to bed. I wanted to watch it again. I have to force myself to not watch Me Too, Me too, Listen. I I released a single. You can get it on all the major platforms, Apple, iTunes, Spotify, what have You're called Surrender? We released it last weeks to go check it out. It's a love song about the on the got Away. Anyway, that's a rap. Episode five Cinnamon's Wake. Love this episode, can't wait to see the next one. Uh, Ted Rooney was great. Uh great seeing you guys, and

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