Not Everyone Likes Bells (S4 E11 "In the Clamor and the Clangor”)

it doesn't sound like mine at all. No, that'd be so cool to like, we should do that eventually, like to talk to the people that do the voices of you. That would be fun. That's a great idea. Actually, that's a great idea. So they dubbed it. It's not like subtitles. It's dubbed. Yeah, it might be not you know, it's dubbed, but everybody could get. But the thing is everybody over there speaks English very well. I mean they learned all over Scandinavia too. They learn it from the time. My

cousin lives in Germany. So it's it was a great event, and thank you Dortmund and German Comic Con. It was fantastic time. Danielle cat out your tongue. I was about to say, my uncle lives in Germany. I no one cares. No one cares, they care, I care, I care. Where in Germany does your uncle live. He lives in Munich, a beautiful city. What city were you in? You said that like four seconds? Germany and they have their their city market, Christmas tree, Christmas lights presentation is the finest

in the world. They have largest Christmas tree on the planet in dortmun in the city center. It's are you sure it's the largest. It's at least a hundred and fifty ft high. It makes taller than way taller like it's it's massive. It's it's so big that you just you stand there and gawk at it, like are you kidding me? Did an alien civilization come, you know, bring this down and and and fasten it to the ground

somehow secure it? I mean, it's it's unbelievable. O, my god, Nolan does Christmas like the German like the Christmas markets, the decorations, like people in the U. S. Think, Like Christmas in New York is a spectacle, Like you have not been to Germany. I mean it is. I mean New York is a spectacle is great, but Germany. Yeah, have you been to Germany? Daniel? Yeah, I said he'd road there when I went to Yeah, and I've been

back a couple of times just to visit. Got in surprising turns step of the way today onto something important our event. We have lots of questions about the event two you mean the Warner Brothers event live podcast December and that we will be live stream, will not livestream, but will be streaming in Yes, thank you to the Clarity dot cos backslash what I am all in, I

am all in, so Scott you rock. Because we want to make sure everyone understands twenty two is on the Warner Brothers lot if you're in l A. Fenty three, if you are not in l A and you still want to watch it lives live stream ish. We'll call it live stream ish because it is. It's it's the stream of the live podcast and you'll see it all mistakes and all editing. The film crew is gonna be there. I'm gonna take him around to all the uh Luke Steiner, Mrs Kim's uh Laurea Lize house. We're gonna jump up

on St Fly. Oh yeah, we're gonna jump up on stage and do a introduce the guests and do a live podcast Q and A with the audience. People are flying in from Catman. Do I actually have a question? Is it all in the same like back lot location. Well, it's a very large area. It's but you're not like going to the other side of the lot, you know what I mean, Like it's all there. It's there. Yeah, so that's cute, but but it's it's it's a large area in terms of fitting a bunch of people, you know,

in there, if they're going to have seatings. How far off a walk? It's from from Luke's Diner to Lower Lie So Luke's Diner is right across the street from Stars Hollow High School where they're building the platform in the stage to do the podcast from like a five minute walk or like a one minute walk across the stream minute it's like, I don't know, from Luke's to Laura Lize Lukes to Laurea lie Is. Oh god, it wouldn't even take a minute to get there. Oh really, yeah,

it's maybe I don't know, fifty steps, seventy five steps. Yeah, it's just across the good you cross the gazebo, you cross that area, that lawn area, and then that is so much closer than I thought. Oh yeah, it's all right there. And Mrs Kim's is is right across the room. You can tell that. I can tell that Mrs klarealized house is only like, you know, two houses down from Mrs Kemp's. Where is the dragon fluff the dragonfly set. I don't know where they're setting that up, um, but

I think it's right there too. I don't I don't know that it's right right there, but it's pretty close by. Everything's walking distance, I believe. Well, like if you not only if you want to come see everybody and the Gilmour girls, if you want to get your steps in for the day, it sounds like you could get a

couple of thousands. But they have They have the golf carts, the huge sort of limousine golf carts that they tell along and they have you know, twenty people per section, and they're just you know, that's what we used to do. We used to film and we come out of the sound stage and we'd see the tour guides with their golf carts with all the fans and we wave and they get all happy, and it was you know, you'd see that all day, so they just that's just an

ongoing thing all day. So that's what they'll do with the fans. They're very comfortable in the shade. It's wonderful. Scott. Did you know because I've done this tour before many times the Scott did you know that when they do a tour, they're like, and this is the bridge where Luke push us. That's literally like tour. It's so funny and I'm like, I remember that scene. But um and by the way, I'm wearing I have my Luke's Diner sweater ready to wear. I want one. I have it

ready to go. Someone did say on Instagram that we have to check out the gift shop after there's a lot everything. Yeah, thing, I want so much stuff and I want Christmas gifts from this. I want it all. Wait. Still, a lot of people are asking us about the if they have to watch it right at the time it goes live, and the answer is no, they'll it'll be up for a week, right, Daniel, that's correct. So like, let's just say you have a Christmas holiday party that night,

that's okay. You can go to your Christmas holiday party and tomorrow morning, when you're sipping your coffee, you can watch it. You're by the way, we now have a relationship with Warner Brothers Retail. We are an official Fender Warner Brothers Studios and we will be serving Scotty Peace Big Mug Coffee House blend all week at the Warner Brothers tour event for the holiday sepcemby to whenever it ends. I don't know what it was January two or something

like that. It just keeps going for the entire holidays, and they'll also be able to buy actual bags of Scotty Piece Big Bug Coffee House Blend. And I mean, if that's not a reason to come. Peppermint Creams also shout out the cookie jar has been found one. I believe tarn I were looking at it last night. There's a free texting at like midnight midnight. I'm obsessed with this cookie jar, so I'm in real time going to buy it right now. Somebody shout out to shout out to k W A L E g A on Instagram

Maxine cookie jar. Yep, that is at versions of her too. How do I figure out which one is the right one. We have to go back and find it. I think was the last episode she was in the Cookie Jar. So much detective work we're gonna have to do, but it's worth it. Vaccine Cookie Jar. Okay, Um, keep keep

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But if you want to buy the live stream or the streaming, you go to Moment dot co, Moment dot CEO, backslash. I am all in. And if you want to buy the Maxine Cookie Jar dot com, it's Ben Botton. Oh my god. Okay, so tar later tonight we'll figure out exactly which one I need to buy. Okay, all right, let's get into it. Do you mean the amazing episode? Some might say that, some might say it was amazing. Well, I'm gonna see how you guys feel about it? What I might be on Scott's page. Oh what even I

don't understand. I don't even understand. I just don't. I don't. I don't get it. Here's my problem, and I'm gonna need the two of you, Tara and Amy two pipe out when you watch an episode, because I came in rolland hot, being like, this is going to be the best episode I have seen so far. That was my problem. I was set up for failure. Well, I don't think it was the best ever I know, but you guys do. The two of you were like, this is such a good episode, and like everyone be quiet, quiet to watch

Danielle Texas thing. I'm not reading your text. The only the only criticism I have is that either Alexis or Rory, I'm not sure who's to blame. The fake crying was real bad. Actually, I thought that was really good. I thought that was the best part of the scene because she was showing us a skill set that I hadn't seen before from from Alexis. You mean being a bad fake crier. But it didn't call for real tears. It called for kind of parsical, sticky kind of fake tears.

Because it was kind of half and half, because they were half real and half fakey fish, which was perfect for the tone of that scene because if you're if you're in a funeral and you're trying to make jokey jokes with you know, you know, arguably two of the best comedic actresses of our time, Lauren Graham and Melissa McCarthy for God's sake, right, and and Alexis Boddell, who's really bringing the heat and really you know, bringing a skill set to bear. Um. If I'm not, you know,

laughing really hard, then something's wrong. I think either I'm jet lagged from the eleven hour flight from Copenhagen, or it just wasn't that funny. I didn't find it that funny in the beginning. It's the thing that got a little funny your for me is when Kirk, you know, fell through the flower says I'm going dark. I'm going dark. But I thought, you know, the conversation between three of those three it wasn't like off the charts funny. I just kind of like sat there and watching. I agree

with you on that. It was kind of I was like, okay, like it's it was kind of funny. Like, I like it. I think it was Gilmore style. Irreverence was not my favorite part. Oh well, you said it was great. Shall we say what this episode? Because yeah, okay, I'm just getting so upset. All right, let me just get this in so that everyone that's listening actually knows what. Let's sit up side, let's stand up side. So frustrated, okay,

Season four, episode eleven. In the Clamor and the Clanger air day, January two thousand four, the church bells in the town square are back, but not everyone is thrilled about it. Lane's band gets a huge gig in NYC at C B g B, which pushes her to finally confront her mom. Lorela finds out Luke is living with Nicole and is not okay at all. Confront Rory confronts rumors about her at Yale, but it's not what she thinks.

First of all, I guess we're we're about to get a tongue lashing from the sugar correct, Because yeah, the funeral wasn't like my faith. The funeral wasn't like my favorite scene. The fake baby couldn't have been more fake in this episode. But number one, Luke and Lorelai is a ten out of one, ten out of ten, hundred

out of ten, whatever you want to give it. And awkward dot com with the laundry guy made everything worth it to me too because that was so uncomps And then when Rory confronts him, that whole thing was amazing and excuse me, Lane and her mother, that's what this was an awesome episode. But but but it was okay, So in my opinion, okay, uh, and I'm not going to agree or disagree with you. I'm just gonna give

you my opinion. Um, that was the most powerful part of the episode was Lane, the Lane confrontation with her mother and how that played out, because it was it really played on our hopes and dreams for that girl and for every girl who has and and and then it was disappointing because she was she was out of the house and she showed up but Yale with her with her bag and her wrote wheelie bag and toe right. It made me ask the question as a parent, you know it really and this is I think the power

of the show is. Um. You know, we can criticize it on a lot of different levels, you know, artistically, but what we cannot ever ever criticize it for um is how powerful it can be when we are dealing with family and friends and and and and and interconnectedness of a community. And the power of the show was in full display when Lane was in her bedroom discussing with her mother how long she had been involved in alternative American culture against her mother's wishes. It was I mean,

that's when the tears started coming. That's when you really feel because how many girls, teenage girls have confronted them, have dealt with mothers like this in one form or another, one level of severity or another. And and it was just it was everything. It represented every girl all over the world who's had struggles with their mothers, with their mothers,

And that is the power of the show. It's got these universal themes that they play on and you don't know when they're gonna show up, but they're gonna show up every episod. So then that's the power of this show because it made me, as a parent, asked asked the question, do I want my child to love their life or do I want my child to be envious of somebody else's life because they feel they have a

miserable life. And that was the most poignant moment of that and most revealing of character of Lane's journey through this piece is she looked, she at at Yale, she looked at Rory, and she said, I just envy you so much. I'm so jalous of your life. And it

was heartbreaking. And I thought about my son, and I thought, I thought about everybody's kids and how they've how they want their children to perceive their own lives, and what is the best path forward for that, And it's just it's so powerful, It is so powerful because and and then I said to myself, you know, this show is important culturally. It's doesn't matter if it if it's looks like Succession or if it has you know what I mean, or it looks like a film or this is that,

None of that matters. What matters is these situations and how they make us feel totally because Mrs Kim isn't a bad mom. She's a good mom who loves her kids so much. And I love the moment when they call lorea Lie to tell Lorea Lie that Lane is with Rory, and she doesn't wait a breath before she says, I'm calling Mrs Kim And they're like you know, they're like, oh, and it's because a mom knows what another mom is experiencing.

And obviously Mrs Kim is up with the whole, with all the family and the friends and the fire department and whatnot. And then I thought for a moment Mrs Kim was going to say okay, like I want you to be you, and basically she sort of did, but said you can't live here, which was even more heartbreaking. If I can count how many times my dad has told me that line, I would be a millionaire, which but you can't live here. If you you can, if you're not going to buy my rules, you don't need

to live here. If you want to do this or if you want to do that, go for it, do your you know, live your life, but it's not under my house. I got that all the time, like, oh, you want two, I am curfew, not under this house, not if you're living here, just the rules of the house. I can relate so much to Lane in this In this episode, although I would say, like my parents, let me do what I want, like, you know, listen to music I want, like, they weren't harsh like that, but

with rules that they set forth. If I didn't want If I didn't abide by them, then I didn't need to live there. It's just how I grew up. Yeah, so it's very relatable, very very relatable. Y, I forgive you forgave this whole episode when I saw that. First of all, I agree with you. I gave. There are two scenes the Laura, Lie and Luke and do that again, Amy, do that again. I've just completely changed. You're so powerful talk to the hand. But now all of a sudden,

this entire episode. I agree with you. It's brilliant. Everything about it. I agree with you. Give me the hand again, Give me the hand again. I just completely flipped. Before we go to the other awesomeness in this episode, let's I want to keep talking about Lane and her mom because I guess the question is district parenting work? Like, Danielle, do you think because of the rule your dad had you turned out? I mean, obviously you turned out amazing thing. So do you think it was because of that? I

think so. I mean, look like you have to sympathize like uh, or you have to understand where like at least when I look back on my childhood, I'm like, I have to understand where my dad was coming from. You wanted me to be safe and at home and you know, sheltered or whatever, which is why I didn't have a twelve am curf curfew like the rest of my girlfriends or you know, like things like that. So it's like there is a protection element um and each

situation is different for me personally. I'm grateful for how my parents raised me. Yeah, it's it's not just an element. It's the overarching thing, is the protection side of it. I think it can go both ways though, because I'm not saying my mom was like lower Lie. My parents were like they but they were not strict right at all. And also I didn't do anything bad because they weren't strict.

I think it goes both ways. It's like I think sometimes strict parents have kids that follow the rules, and non strict parents have kids that don't do anything bad because why why would I do anything? Back, I didn't do anything. I didn't I wasn't late, like I came home on time. It's like all depends on who you are, who your parents are, and if it works for Rory Laura Liae is the opposite of Mrs Kim right, but Rory doesn't do anything bad. I mean for the most part. Yeah,

they've each other like little moments. Lane got drunk and Rory's done a couple of things. But they both are such great kids. So is it parenting or is it just being a great or is I think in Rory's case, she's been the parent in one aspect or another her entire life. You know, she's she's oftentimes parented. True, but I still think she's a great person. Absolutely, But I think I think I think emotionally, uh, Rory is in

a lot of ways, far more mature than Lane. True, far more mature than your typical seventeen eighteen year old girl. May I throw something out to you, guys, I think the reason they both turned out great is because they both know they are extraordinarily loved by their parents parents parents. Even though Mrs Kim and lor Like could not be more opposite with their styles, both kids know their mom completely loves they're they're paying attention, Yes, yes, they're paying attention.

And see the thing, it goes bad for kids when when when one or both stops paying attention and stops caring for whatever. Both moms are equally as involved with their daughters, because you can't say that Mrs Kim is not totally involved with Lane and obviously lorialized, completely intertwined with Rory and both both both single mothers. Who who need to be that way? The debate on Mrs Kim being single does exist though, right, like, well, there's no

husband in the house. What are you talking about? There's no debate there. Yes, there was. I read like a I don't know if it was like a Reddit husband that we never see, but he's like sitting and watching. There's controversy about it. We need to look that up, Like where is Lane Kim's dad? Keep talking while I look at us? Because what he was mentioned in one of the earth Yeah, they did say, you know Mr Kim. Okay, here's what the Internet says. Lane's dad died or left

her mom sometime during the first or second season. It's highly surprising that Lane never said anything about this on screen. Maybe she discussed it with Rory. What happened to Lane's dad? Now? This says Mr Kim is alive and well. During the town's International Spring Food Festival, Lane tells Rory, Oh, hey, my dad's here. She and Rory both then wave to none other than Mr Kim, who finally has a face. What season is that? God is We're gonna have to

do with festival? Wreaking deep dive? Interesting. I feel like the Girl's Revival solves the mystery of Mr Kim? What was that? That was the movies? I know what the revival is, but what was How did it get resolved? That was at the food festival? But I don't We're going to need help, this says. In the beginning of the series, they mentioned Lane's father. He is in fact the real person. He's still married to Mrs Kim because Lane often says parents, not mother. However, his whereabouts are

never mentioned. I feel like the writers. I feel like the writers originally wanted Mr and Mrs Kim to be a thing, but then they realized Mrs Kim was so faller on our own, They're like, let's just focus on hearth. Okay, here's a little more info. If you were wondering why Mr Kim never appeared on the show until a year in the life, Amy Sherman Palladino has a perfectly good explanation. She revealed Mr Kim wasn't necessary to build the relationship between Lane and her mother. I agree with that. I

feel like this is an entire episode. Continue, so let's why don't you take us through it in order? And uh, sure thing, I think I think we've discussed the opening the funeral rocket didn't get off the launchpad on that one. And then it was the funny part for me was that saying that five people die and then being concerned

about Hank Krutzman that was fine and who is flush? Right, and then thinking it's going to be poor Hank, and then Hank fell and they felt like they and I did think it was a funny out when they're like, are we the witches of East Way? Yeah? Yeah, I was fine. I don't know that. It's just not I

don't I don't find anything funny about aging. You know, people's knees going out because they're old, they fall, you know what, nothing funny about I thought about, like that Tex to be the actor that got cast as that. I'm like, you got cast as the the guy that's about to die. I'm like, no, that's so sad. Anyway, continue, all right, Amy's industry extreme distress. Right now, He's not

even looking at us. He's going to a different table. Okay, so then we got a band practice, which was kind of hilarious for me with I just think sebat Sebastian Bach is awesome, and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but put on a jacket before you run out into the snow storm. Oh yeah, that's true. They he was dressed. He was wearing a von Dutt shirt with the with the with the with the with it opened at the top,

you know, and it's like, yeah, it's like degrees. He walked away and like two seconds, laters like guess what we got a gig? Is if? It was like okay, like that was, Oh my god, you're pretty good. You're pretty good, Gil And I thought the reindeer sweater was cute, the leopard shirt Lane had on, the Von Dutch shirt Sebastian had on, and that but he brings sandwiches. I love that reference. And yeah he brings but Andy way, so you guys are still not hooked in on it.

We're still we're still in the launchpad. We're still waiting to lift off. I did like the how how it was winter in the snow, and I did enjoy the winter. Yes, did you like lorealize amazing coat with the fur collar. When when did we see this? Right as we go after band practice to them walking intown the fourth snow of the season. Yeah, great debate. That's my takeaway from the episode is that coat I cling to that I cling I was clinging to that coat until we got

to the langue. You mock, but I was ready to hit eBay again, try and find that thing. Maybe just a by the time we're done with this show a bomb of stuff that she ordered. I would wear that coat. I would totally wear that coat. And I tried to get the dog sweater I got like a fake version of it. It's just let's let's do a shout out to Brenda Maybon for killing it on the world. She's killing it on the world totally, totally. All the bells are ringing. The bells are a chiman the bells. It's

a lot of bells in a small town. But yeah, I mean, if they're gonna do ten at ten and eleven and eleven and twice a day, it can't get a little much at It was beautiful the first time when I got the pause. Yeah, and guys, we go to lanes and we see rate Rommi Malick. The second he showed up on screen. I was like, oh my god,

he's such a baby. He's so cute, so cute. And then they're sitting around and wanting to get Pastor Chow or assistant Pastor Eric and yeahda the YadA, and then Rory walks in with the book, which is really a whole transport. Yeah. So obviously this scene is just sort of building up a little bit too. The blow us still on the launchpad. I'll admit that was the launch pad,

but you had to have that to launch. But now we're like four or five scenes into the episode and we're still like team minus, you know, we're waiting for a little take off here a little bit, a little bit. Then we get another important scene, which is we're in the dorm. First of all, I don't know any dorms that are that beautiful that have a fireplace. I know, I still have like a bone to pick with the fireplaces in all these dorm rooms. I'm just like, first

of all, that's like a hazard. There's no chance, like all, what dorms of a roaring fire? Correct? Why would you trust drunken college students with a fire? I don't know. I don't think that you I don't know any dorms that have fireplaces. I was trying to remember if our sorority had a fire is, and I doubt it. First of all, who knows how to light of flat fire

when they're that age? I don't know how now right there with you, I have one in my house and you're just I'm like, I'm like, dad, ken, Oh my god. If it's not a dirt flame, it's not getting lit. I've lived in the house I'm in right now for twenty years and it has a fireplace, and I have no idea how to turn it on. That's turn it on, it's gas. Yeah, I think it needs like the log and like you have to have a match. I don't know how to do any of the babies are here

like rubbing. I can do the fireplaces that are like a button in my old house. In my old house, I had a massive fireplace. The house was built and it had a gas line where you would turn on the gas line underneath the kindling. You didn't really even need kindling. You just need to put the logs in and light it up. But I like to build a traditional fire with the newspaper and then the kindling wood and then the law and you have to have a match. No,

you just needed to turn on that. It was like it was like a metal pipe that had holes in it. You didn't have to light it. You lit that because the gas would come out of that and it would like that, it would light the log. Yeah. Yeah, you need to match the right. To me, that's so scary. The match and then that's that's all it is. It's not a big deal. I mean, you're not putting your

face near it. You're just like lightening it. You'd have to have those long matches and we would have these these glorious massive fires, uh in the fireplace, and they're great. They were just great. I don't think you can really do it anymore anywhere. I mean we just you know, we did Thanksgiving in Colorado at our place and and uh, you know we have a wood burning Yeah I have

one here. But although we do have a spare the air days where you can't light the fire, you're supposed to protect anyway, fireplace one oh one will continue bare the air. That's a very catchy title. Through the air there, Yeah, y all live in California. Through the air we have that. I think it's cool. Gosh, okay. So the other bone to pick I had with the I'm gonna go light

a fire in my gas fireplace. Did you see the dude fully laying the like background actor fully laying on the bench in the door like a hard bench reading his book. Eagle eyes that watching the episode along with us because it was still on the launchpad. I'm sorry, I disagree. Once we get to Yale, things start picking up. So Paris and Rory are together, and then how funny every time she says a certain fella to told me

about it and really just wants to pew. Yeah. And I think this is where we learn about laundry room guy when those two girls are telling the story, and I thought it was about free I did too, from that one time when she totally okay. So then now we're back at the diner and this is this is where it launches. So the bells are a chiman yes, which is just so epic. I love it. Also, Kurt Kurt has you don't want you know what, here's my opinion on why she got sofa tust because she loves you.

I think it's more than or it might be less than that. I think it's more about laurelized need to have this kind of stability in her life, whether it's a committed relationship or not. She wants to know that Luke is there, being Luke and living upstairs. That's what she comforts her. It's part of what comforts her, right, And such a shocking change. I'm with a woman in Litchfield now and I got an apartment. That's shocking, and that that that scrambles her eggs and well, that's a

bad Actually that's a good thing. That's a good thing, you know, that that's that's that's shocking for a person or anybody in a small town who needs that kind of stability, And it's like especially for her. And if you mix in the element of her personal feelings, yeah, she's gonna get she's gonna get angry a little bit. But I think but I think he represents more than that to the show and to her then just hey, I want to maybe date him. I'm starting to have

feelings for this guy, you know. I think it's more about just just characters being in their place, you know, staying put. You know. So I'm gonna agree with you. I think of what you're saying. I think You're correct for what is fifty percent of lorrel to me, the other half of lot Lie is because she loves Luke. She just is totally aware of it, right, I agree with that. Yeah, And that was and she was confused by her own feelings. She didn't understand how powerful they

would be. Because it's the same flipping her lid that she's done a couple of times when she feels like she's losing you. That's what I think. And nobody likes to have the rug pulled out from under them that way and get this new piece of information that is you know, they weren't consulted on or told about, and you know, all of those feelings of inadequacy come flooding in. Well, am I not your friend? And why didn't you tell me? I mean everybody goes through that, So did you find it?

Danielle Tara shocking? The way she reacted or made sense made sense to me, just face off of like how she freaked out with the other stuff with Nicole, you know, like I was. You know, I think also like this is uh psychiatrist Danielle coming out. I think a part of it is also like she likes to have control over Luke, like she likes to know that he's in her corner at all times and that she can always count on him and he's always available to her and

all those type of things. And I feel like when that starts to spiral out of control, she gets really worked up. Um. I don't know if at this point she necessarily realizes that she, you know, loves him, but it's more of like like, I don't think she acknowledged like I love this guy, can't let him go. I think she's like, who's going to take care of these things for me? Now that another girl is in the picture. Yeah,

I think her heart is ahead of her head. So like she finds out like, oh, he moved to another county, and her heart is immediately like in pain, but she just might not be aware of why that changes the whole dynamic of her life in regards to her relationship with Luke, because now there can no longer be Luke come over, I need this, or Luke come over this, or Luke come over I'm scared and Luke come over,

you know, I need this. I need to talk about something, and Rory whatever, there's no longer the friend that's in town that she can rely on that. But think about it. Think about this. Think about you've got a friend, right and it's purely platonic, and they're like going to move to another couple of cities over you don't give him, you don't care. The crush your love even if you're not like totally aware, tells you they're moving and all of a sudden you have the sinking pit. That's because

you love them, right. But I also don't think that her delivery is just not great. Like for me, I was just like Laura, I like, take a minute. I'm just like Laura. I take a minute and then think about what you want to say and then say it. But all right, but she's not that way. She's never know I know, which, which again that's why I like what I don't think. But back to my point, I don't think Lorela thinks she likes him like. I don't think she's like it's moving to a different city is broken.

I think I don't think. I think she doesn't realize she likes Luke until she's about to lose him. Every time. I don't think. I don't think she walks down the street thinking about Luke. You just you just said every time I think about him, because she's always with him. You just said every before she loses him every time. Exactly How did you not know after the first time when Luke told you that he was getting married, that you like this guy, like this is already like three

times down the road. Likely he told her he was married, she wanted to die. Okay, but you get what I'm saying at a certain point, like yeah, you know whether you have feelings or not when you talk about a slow burn. Wow, this is masterful. This is masterful. Actually, how happy is she relationship that's so exactly so much? She's so happy each time she realizes, for example, he tells her he's married, she wants to die, She's losing

her mind. She looks like she's going to cry, and then almost immediately he says, but I'm divorced or I'm getting divorced, and she's like, oh my god. Same thing with this. She wants to cry and her heartbreaks when he says he moved, and then when she goes to the apartment and realized he didn't move, she's so happy immediately. So it's like she just I don't I don't know. She loves him. She just doesn't totally know it. Yeah, okay, exactly. I think we're all kind of the same saying the

same thing. I don't think she actually knows that she loves Luke. I think right now what she's concerned about is losing him out of convenience for her. Here's the question, though, do you think Aim and Tara and Danielle do you think that Luke thinks or knows realizes at this point that he can no longer make the move that Laureli is the one who wants to make the move, and

Laureli is waiting for what? In other words, what is waiting Laureli waiting for what set of circumstances have to come to the fore for her to make her move? Because we now know that Laureli needs to be in control. She's a little bit out of control. She freaks a little bit, right, that's her world, and she wants to make the move. She wants all of her her her I'm not gonna say puppets, but she needs all the players in her play to be in their place for her to be happy, and and and and Luke. That

was very well said. So what is what is it gonna take for her to make her move on Luke when she's good and ready. Right, when is she going to be ready? Laurie's Rory's away now, right, she's an empty nest or this would be the perfect time. So it seems to be you know, uh, this storyline with Nicole seems to be impacting her a Laura line a very big way because maybe now she's preparing to make her move and to sort of do it in her way, in her time, right, Because certainly, um, I don't know.

Would you say that Luke has tried to make his move and has been rebuffed many many times. I think he has tried to make his pre move and he's been it's been weird, right, I don't think there's ever been the grand move. I think I think by being always willing to help her, like he's showing that he cares, like you know, that's his way of making his move, like, yeah, you need me to come over and fix the toaster, of course will be let's skip ahead, so we'll go

out of order. Why does he come after their blow up? Why does he come over and start clearing the path? Because that's what he does. He's old, reliable, he's a guy, that doesn't let these sort of you know, temporary conflicts affect who he is. And he wants her to be safe and get the car out of the driveway, and he cares, you know, he doesn't want to know. Luke

knows how much he cares about Lorila. He knows, he knows in his heart he and you can see that, like he cares about her so much that if she was just like I love you, he would be jumping right in, like he he knows, I would be jumping in with both feet if he got to go right. It's just he doesn't know how to. He just he's very awkward getting there right. But I think he goes

over there. Okay, so like you've never gotten a fight with somebody and then you like like your boyfriend or husband or wife or whatever, and then you call them right immediately, you know, like you make up some reason, like I know we're mad at each other, but the car is making a funny noise for dinner. It's like he went he has this blow up and it's like upsetting to him. He figures out, Okay, even if we're

still fighting, I need to connect with her. So he goes over to clear the snow and then they get into a bigger fight. But he that was like him, like that was so typical couples, you know what, you know what that was for those two And I'm gonna I'm gonna say this and cover your ears if you're faint a heart. That was their sex. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do it with their clothes on, yelling at each other. It's their passion. That's their passion. It's all bottled up

and not expressed, and it's all fustnection. They're connecting. So even when they're not getting along, it's like Rory calls it out. She goes, this is what you guys do. You fight, you make up, You're fine because it's they're always connected. Yeah, you gotta read between the lines. You know. You don't get to tell me what to do. I do what I want to do. I don't know you anything. Which And she went out with love and her heart, putting her sweet coat on, and she wanted to be

like wakes over and then he doubled down. Then let's just play this part through. We'll go a little out of order. There's no apology, there's no even acknowledging it. She just shows up and it's like they just he she walks in, and by walking in, she's forgiven because he's basically like Caesar, oh you're forgiven, and she's like, let's go get those bills. And then they're like, but that was the perfect excuse not to even acknowledge what

had happened before. Well, it's more sex now. It's exactly what you're saying, because now it's yes, because now they're connecting again. You don't they're so intertwined, don't even have to acknowledge the fight. There's no any of that. It's just like, oh, here I am again. We're just always going to be together, right. They they get they get to regress into sort of high school antics and sabotage the church bells, and then we were about to have

the moment. That was the moment, except for the reverend interrupted that that was the moment, right. It's it's masterful, It's it's such a roller coaster ride with these two. It's just absolutely masters If the reverend didn't come in, was that the kiss? They're making their own church bells, making their own gun bells, let me tell you. Okay, so here's my question for you both. Tara and Scott was Laurel right or even justified to being so upset about him and the move to literally a little bit.

I think so. I think it was a cinem o mission on Luke's part. I mean, he wasn't he wasn't honoring the friendship or their can action at all. He was just sort of that was an indication that he was disconnecting from her, when maybe it wasn't his intent, but that's how she perceived it, that he was really unplugging from her, and that scared the heck out. I just I don't blame her. I don't blame her at all. I thought it was weird that, like it's not like, hey,

I'm going to move next week. It's like, oh yeah, I've I've been gone, like I don't live here anything like. I think that's the part where I was like, why why didn't you try? That's almost like an f you, isn't it. It's almost like you know, a dish served cold. Oh no, I already did it, and you don't mean but he didn't even do anything. He moved and he didn't tell her, and he didn't he didn't bother. But how happy is she when she realizes he didn't move

at all. He didn't move. Why did he even say he moved because he didn't move, Um, she moved or something. I don't know. I don't know, but he but he was coming back once in a while. I mean, he didn't move. He didn't take any clothes. He lives at his apartment. He never sleeps there. He did not. She's like she basically was like, you're a bad house guest because he like just goes over there and like uses her pots and pants and eats her food and leaves

and that's well. I think he's got a pad in Litchfield with her, and then he's got his own pat right. I mean, so he didn't know. He doesn't even live there because he doesn't want to live there. If you why is he telling her that he did that? Then not a liar. He's not deceptive. He's no. I don't. That's a great question because I guess maybe technically he had a conversation with her, with Nicole saying let's live together,

and he's like, okay, let's try that. But it was bull Think you think he's just messing with her to gauge No, I think he I think he's knows that right now, he can't have rely right, whether this is conscious or sub conscious, and he's married to Nicole and they've agreed to like try, right, he doesn't want to actually try. He's fake trying. He's like, yeah, okay, we live together, so he's like single orly we lived together, but like, if you love someone, wouldn't you sleep there?

I just look, Luke feels like he's a little bit of out of his league with Laura Line. He does. He wants her badly, he's in love with her. He sees the guys she dates. He just maybe he just feels a little bit inadequate in that way, not as a man, but as you know, somebody that is not of her social order. I think that just the big move hasn't happened yet. He's been to Emily and Richard's house, right, he's been there. Didn't he go when when Richard have

a heart attack or he went to the hospital. But but he's been to the house and Emily insulted his truck, and he's been to dinner. He's seen that. He's seen Yeah, yeah, I think he went. Yes, he dressed she called him the iceman, remember, Yeah, it was that was at the party at Rory's. Remember Emily and Richard come to the party, and she met you a few times now because she's been to the diner. I'm not sure you've been to

their house yet. I have been to the house because she made a comment about his truck that was insulting. She insulted the you know what out of him, the familiar to me. He's been there, so I think I think there's something. I think there's some hesitation on his part because he kind of instinctively knows that it's it's doomed a failure based on what she comes from, no matter what she's doing in stars, how long she's been there, she's just a different animal from than him, you know,

even though it's I just think he's just right. I just think he's sort of going through the motions. Like think back, like when you were like I don't know, in college, and you kind of dated somebody even though you're not the one, but you're like, oh I need to date them, or or you're like you have the crush on someone else but they're not really giving it to you, So you date other people, but you know it's not real that college. I had a crush on

a girl. I never approached her. I never approached Yeah, it's just Nicole is just like he doesn't really like her, or he'd be living there. He's not even sleeping there. Well, listen, man, it's not called the you know, it's not called Luke and Nicole. It's called Luke and Laurel Eze. I think it's hard to argue with you. Okay, So let's go to the scene with Laurel I and Suki. They're looking through design books and Laurel eye upset facus baby I've ever seen in my life? How fake was that baby?

That's like a solid rubber baby. That wasn't even good acting because my things like, okay, so here's my fake baby. Right, if you're going to pick up the baby, you'd be like, you'd like they just did this. It was like so fake. I'm like, at least do good fake acting with the fake baby. It's it's hard to do. It's hard to imagine a rubber baby's a real baby. A real baby. You're just you know, it's hard to right, they're not.

They kind of move with fake rubber babies before. Sorry, okay, what I mean you wouldn't treat a real baby that way. You wouldn't. Just this is what they're doing. And they were like, yeah, they're doing exactly, that's how you treat it in an animate object. You sorry, my fake baby hit the microphone. Child Child Bottle Services is going to show up and remove that bottle from your home. Oh. I did make one other notes, sorry to go back courts. I also made a note that he did the walk.

He shoveled the walk because he felt guilty for not telling her about his fake movie. It's just he does it every year. He does it every snowstorm. He helps her out. Yeah, and he cares, and he cares, Yeah, he cares. He's not doing that for anybody else. He might be doing it for the old couple down the street, but they're probably definitely not doing it right. No, he's not doing it for anybody yet. Yeah, he's taking care of her man, you know, in his way. I don't know.

I think he loves her. I'm not that I'm dis that. So okay, let's talk about Paris for a minute and that scene. First of all, the skinny scarf alive and while Paris, But let's talk about that scene in that class or that special whatever they were at that special thing or that club or whatever. It was Internet and Long Rule Rage club. Yeah, laundry guys there, and Rory

loses her her bleep. I mean, but for her for saying something, but also like Rory, you know, I know, because she goes off in that that club thinking he's the guy. So she's using that sort of like innuendo or whatever you'd call it, like using the conversation, but really she's talking to the dude, and she was trying so hard not to look at him. It was like painful. And then the pencil flew. I thought that holds. The whole storyline was good. And then when she confronts him,

we'll skip ahead and it wasn't even her. I actually thought they were going to ask each other out again. I thought so too, actually, but she just walked away. It would have been I think it would have been better if she they asked each other out. I love this episode, what the hell? But you don't. You can continue to love the episode. You don't need us to love it too. For you to love it and enjoy it and take it through your entire life loving it.

You can chaerish it you can cherish it at all stages of your life like a chairish it like a fake baby. Am I to understand that Luke broke the bells the first time? Um? That was what? I interesting question? That is a really penetrating deep question. Are you are you serious? No? But it isn't It isn't interesting question. It is who who sabotaged him in the first place.

I think it was Luke because I he alluded to that very subtly, and I thought, oh, yeah, well he knows, he certainly knows how to disabled them, so he's put a little study into this little research Luke and the bell tower. M And then what do we think about Lane showing up with her bag? I mean, Scott talked about a little. I just have to say, I think the reason why this is I thought this was a good episode is not like little tidbits. I think it

was the bigger picture of this episode. Um. I think it was such an important episode probably the whole series for Lane, Like this really shift that character Lane and Mrs Kim Um I did. I think we already touched on it. But I did think it was good that Laurel. I was like, we have to I have to call Mrs Kim like, this is what any parent would do.

And on that same note, though, you see that Mrs Kim was really affected that Lane went to Laura La and to her, and I think that's like a really I don't know, you you see a different side of Mrs Kim here because she's just super super like emotional over this whole thing. But she's still very very strict and sticking to her guns, like she's like, I am heart broken right now. But you got him about. You know, I had a Lane in my life growing up and

he's still my best buddy. And he was Lane. He was the Lane to my room and my mom was Laurela. And he would escape his situation and come over and just to hang with us and talk to my mom, and my mom would feed him and my mom would talk to him. And yeah, you mentioned him, so this is you know, this is a very common thing. You know. He was he was trapped in a house that didn't understand him, didn't want to understand him, didn't want to pay attention, and abused him. So he would come over

and hang with us. You know, Yeah, Laurel is a good figure out, figure out life. You know and figure it all out. Lorela is good to Lane. She is a second mom to Lane, and she, you know, let's her band practice in the garage. But when push comes to shove, she does the right mom thing, you know what I mean. She'll let Lane kind of push the envelope a little bit, but then that she really holds

the mom line. And believe it or not, my Lane in my life is it also a drummer, No, no way, and a great drummer, by the way, like a fantastic drummer. The one thing that for me was so the scene when she goes to Luke Mrs Kim does that's right before she finds all the stuff in the house, right in her room. I thought it was interesting that saw you saw Mrs Kim be like, I can't believe she called Lorla. She called Luke to make sure that she's not coming to work, but she didn't call Mrs Kim.

And that's why I'm shocked that Mrs Kim still kicked her out, because I agree. I thought she was going to come around, I agree, or at least like be more strict or be like we need to talk, but like to just see her go to two other people in the town and then still move forward because it hurt her feeling. You can't. She has to kick her out, so the narrative continues. So the storyline, right, that's such a good point. Again, another another master stroke by the

writing staff. Anyway, I also I also think, like Mrs Kim is, like, what what more can I do? She's still going to do this stuff. I can keep her at home and be as strict as I am being now, She's still going to find a way to do what she wants to do. So she's gotta gotta leave the nest. Mrs Kim is in stars Hallow for a reason because it's a knife, small, safe town. She doesn't want her daughter going to New York City to CBS. I did that.

I went to New York to CBGBs when I was fifteen, sixteen years old, you know, and it's and that was okay. I mean, my mom was okay with that because she knew I was with my sister and her boyfriend and it was okay. Um. So um anyway, um, that's why she's there, and that's why Laurel is there. It's a safe place away from the dangers of the world. And it's scary when you know, obviously she's scared that Lane is gonna get in some trouble or get injured or

hurt or whatever. So she's totally justified. Everybody's justified. Everybody's justified. So let's get look, let's start rating this. What about your favorite lines? Favorite lines? God, were there any you're a rude guest, not her boyfriend? And then he goes husband, Danielle, do you have a favorite line? Yeah? Sorry if you hear my gardener, but um, it's it's usually pick a really funny line, and this one is Mrs Kim's. You know,

children do not make the rules. It's just the reason being is because it just hit home for me, so, you know, and I thought was a very pivotal part of this episode. I actually agree with Danielle. I think that line just really summed up the episode. And I have a double today. No, I haven't even spoken yet. Are you kidding me with this? You always do this, You always want to double triple. Come on, well, you know, hey, to your credit, at least you know the funny lines. Well,

I have one touching lines? Can you first? You know what I'm gonna step aside here I'm gonna let You're gonna give you the floor and you stay as many funny lines as you want. And this is just a touching line because I care. I don't want you to move. Why Reverend enters, Okay, that's great. You gotta have more, keep going. No, I'm done now, I'm okay, thank you, thank you, welcome. Um. You know I have to agree with Danielle and Tara about that very pivotal scene, very

pivotal moment. Yeah. Um, and they're all of my favorite lines were in that scene. Um, so let's give it. What are we going to rate this out? What are we going to church? Church bells? Let's give it church bells, church or um or winter coats. I was trying to remember his name, Hank, Hank Kurtsman. Though caskets, we could give it caskets. That seems is that as morbid as the opening scene? Think? What about how many Hank, let's do church let's do church bells. Just do church bells, Tara,

how many church bells are you giving us? I'm going to give it a seven seven, Danielle. I was going to say seven seven, I was gonna say nine, but I and then I felt like I was getting peer pressured to say eight and a half, but no, I'm saying nine. Okay, I'm gonna blow some minds here. Oh god, I'm going to give it nine and a half. And I'll tell you I'll tell you what. I'll tell you why because I just did what this show does. Okay, So maybe, um, the parts themselves and Terry Tara, you

pointed this out beautifully. The parts themselves may be imperfect at times in the show, but the sum total of the parts are what you get in summation, is far greater than the parts themselves. And that's what happened with the show. That's why I give it a nine point five because it executed beautifully on the storyline and and

and echoed out it it. It heralded out, trumpeted out a universal theme that is crucial to the lives of so many people on the planet and dealt with it in a very very powerful way and in a very healing way. Um. And I just think that is the power of the show. Kudos to the writers. Um. Very difficult to write twenty two episodes on a schedule in a room with other people. It's really hard to do. So to to be that impactful at the end of an episode, of the last part of the last third

of an episode is just for me. That's the win. I mean, there you go, nine and a half church bells from me, and that's I like it. So um it turned out in the end to be actually one of my favorite episodes because it's one I'm gonna remember. I'm gonna remember this moment with with Lane and her mother. I'm going to remember. I'm gonna remember those those moments with Lane and Rory about I so jealous of you and I look up to you and I hate being right all the time so hard. You know it must be.

And also, Toult, none of us know what you're saying. I know, I know, nobody. It's just inspiring. Thank you so much to follow up on a serious note of what you were saying. Not only are the writers doing twenty two episodes, this is season four, so they've been cranking these episodes out amazing since the very beginning. So that um, all right, everybody, thanks for downloading. Best fans on the planet. This has been the I Am All In podcast Scott Pattison and I Heart Radio one of

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