Love is in the Air (S3 E2, Haunted Leg)

in some way? Because he did appear as a ghost in that scene and haunted that scene and then disappeared on his mother's ahead, don't jump ahead, that's right. Sorry, I'm so sorry. Haunted We're going in order leg like l e G. Yeah, that's what it says. Haunted leg. Yeah, not haunted egg, not haunted, it's haunted leg. I'm reading that as season three episode to air date October one

to Riley, take us away with your synopsis. So it's still awkward between Emily and Laura La until she intervenes when Christopher shows up to Friday night dinner and expectedly, Paris and Rory are sworn into the student body at Chiltern, but Paris is overbearing, ruling isn't sitting well with everyone else. Meanwhile, Rory has an awkward run in with Jess at the supermarket. Yes, that was okay, We're gonna go in order. I understand that I'm full of I'm full of sleep. I got

a lot of sleep in the last two days. So are you gonna You're gonna have a lot to deal with here? What have you done in the last couple of days? Actually, obviously just TRUEV had any sleep, So I'm energized, and I've been on a writing jack. I've been writing songs, so I haven't got any I don't. I don't know if that's good necessarily, but well, yeah, you have some news Amy about some fan reactions. Go ahead, well, yes, okay, so they like us going in order. That definitely has

gotten a top notch review, which will do. But it's taking everything in my body. Did not jump to the last scene because it's like what I want to talk about so much, But we'll go Norma, No, do you want to give us give us your overall on the on the episode overall? Yeah, yeah, it didn't listen. Let me let me qualify this for the for you lovely fans. Um. I love to argue and I love the nitpick. I just love it. I love to analyze, I love to break it down. Why I'm having so much fun on

this podcast. I have like minded people here with me. Um. I love these episodes. I love every single one of them. I love the show. I really enjoy watching them. I think they've done people a world of good. Um. It's a very positive force in my life, and it's a very positive force in everybody else's lives that is in this very sizeable global fan base. And I respect that, and I respect the show and the creators and the actors,

and I love them all. And you know, I feel like I've been blessed with this, this gift of this show. And however, I am analytical and I don't like things to make sense, and I I am a bit of a snob when it comes to my craft and structure and logic and all that kind of thing. So that's all I'm doing. So, you know, don't kill the messenger here, please, thank you very much. I'm not saying you, I'm saying

the fans, you know, because they won't. But I totally disagree with you disagree more so, I guess we'll just get into it. You disagree with that that I love the show and episode that you gave it kind of a thumbs to the side thumbs down, because I give it a double thumbs up, really double. Oh we're gonna be button heads today. Okay, So I guess I mean

we'll let the games begin. Gentlemen's start your engines, alright, Alright, we open up so awkward Friday night dinner, very awkward where Rory's trying to keep in peace and uh, there's a mouse. So the discussion of the mouse. Got a problem with it right off the bat. What's she doing sitting there in her house in the first place? They just had this She just walked out on her the week before they had this massive abusive blowout. Where have you ever seen Laura Lae at a loss for words?

Have you ever seen Laura la not defend herself in a very passionate and very logical way, in a righteous way. I haven't. That's the first time I've seen her tucktail and just walk out because the abuse was so overwhelming that she just had to walk out because she just in her in her brain it was like, these people are crazy and abusive and I am out of here. And that's like a year long thing. That's like you make a phone call and you go, you know what,

screw you, um take your money back. You want to pull her out of private school, go right ahead, you be that person. But we're not coming there until you apologize to me. Where the hell was that scene? Where's that? Laurelie? Well yeah, okay, So so that's an interesting point. I looked at it like moms and daughters just kind of fight, like it's just kind of how it goes. And but that wasn't a mom daughter fight. That was that. That

was both of her parents just unloading on her. I agree, I agree, But at the same time, in families, you kind of just show up the next Friday and do it all again. Not my family, not how I grew up. Oh my god, we have like a huge blowout. Pass

the turkey, Like what about you guys? I agree, I I we passed the turkey too, But this this fight, in particular, it would have given at least one more It would have been one week of not passing turkey, and then the week after we would have talked, right, and do you guys feel like, okay, you just move forward and you show up for Friday night dinner or does everything need to be discussed. That's the thing that the Gilmore seemed to not do, like they never resolve

it because they don't really talk about it. Obviously, we have a big tin at the end. But that's what I thought it right, that's what I thought it needed. I didn't. I was hoping that the episode was going to begin with phone call from Laurelize saying, Mom, we need to sit down and talk and get this you know stuff right, because I'm not going to sit through

another tongue lashing like that. You are not going to abuse me anymore, and I will take Roryotte at Chilton or or you if if you want to take Rorriotte of Chilton, that's fine. I'm renegging on the deal. I didn't sign up for this. I agreed to this would come Friday nights, but I didn't agree to take your you know what, it's not very Gilmoury. It is, it is, but it's very it's very laurel I. It's very Laureal because think about it, she didn't just immediately go resolve

things with Luke it just but that's Luke. That's Luke. It's a love. It's a sort of affairs of the Horns. It's not an affair. She's not in a she's not in an intimate relationship with their parents, for God's sake. But she layalized coping mechanism. Even though you see her as this feisty, you know, strong woman that takes no leap, she doesn't do that. She reacted to the Gilmore's the same way she dealt with the fight with you, never directly addressing it. Mimi. No, Sorry, that's not in her

character to back down from Emily or Richard. Well, she should have given them what for for that level of abuse. I'm sorry, that's just how I feel. That's just how I feel. I thought it was. I thought it was inconsistent of her character not to go back at Emily and Richard and say listen, you know yeah to me, I feel like you want to pull rory at it. I'm not coming. We're not coming to as a punishment to just to teach you guys a lesson. You can't talk to me that way, and we're we're punishing you

for a month. We will not come and do that to her, their her whole life, So then she would just have done that a hundred years ago, do you know what I mean? Like, that's why they have this drama, because they've been behaving like this for thirty years. So she's not going to start now. We're not going to agree on this. No, it's just my opinion. You have your opinion. You know. I don't want to try to

I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just saying I found it a bit odd that the episode haunted leg which we still haven't figured out what in the heck that means. Um started off with Laura Lye and Rory in the living room, in Emily's living room and not talking to each other. I just found that absurd. And so what I think is interesting, though, is you feel the attention and Rory's trying to make it good.

But then Shanna Christie shot her husband and Emily is like what, And then they kind of gossip about that and she says at least she had a hu have been to kill right. Great scene, funny all that, but I didn't buy the scene. I didn't buy that the scene should even have existed. It was too soon anyway, whoever is controlling this, uh this board, can you uh you just reduced this, uh the size of the of what I'm seeing here? Can you widen it out again?

Because now everybody's really tiny and it's awkward weird. Yeah, well okay. So then now we're at the diner and Lorela has a cold, which was that triggering to anybody that she went to the diner with the cold? Triggering in what way did you got a cold to? No, Like, you don't go to diners with colds anymore, you stay at home. Yeah. Well uh, And then I noticed Scott Luke was carrying a lot of plates. M hum, that's what I do, Sluke. That's what I do. I carry

a lot of plates. Okay, So then the significance of this scene, and you guys break it down one is, obviously Luke is always looking out for lord Lyon thinks she should eat better. And then we see Jess reading in the background, and Shane comes in and oh boy, makeout, makeout, makeout, and then Dean walks up. It's just it was all just so, I don't know, it's just for me. And here I am, I'm going to knitpick at this scene it's like, uh, I don't know. I just didn't. I

just didn't buy it. I mean, it's just like writing roars it did. It just didn't feel it felt staged almost, you know, and like here comes here comes Jessica into the diner. They make out right in front of her, and it's like, you know, they're making this kid out to be some kind of jerk and they're making her. It's just I don't I don't like it. I don't like how its staged. I don't like it's how it's set up. I don't think everything, so I don't totally

think you're wrong. But at the same time, without that scene, the scene at Dosy's Market wouldn't have been so true. So for me, everything leads to the next thing. Jess jess is just becoming obnoxious. They're ruining his character and I don't like disagree. I think he's getting really obnoxious. And I agree, and we're going to jump ahead. But he did have a point. Yeah, but you know, narcissists always have really good points, don't they always They always

make great points. Yeah, back up our boy jess here. Yeah, I agree, Amy. I wish you guys can the people that are listening to this. I wish you could see our faces because we both were in just utter shock. But but no, I I don't think Jess is a narcissist at all. I think I'm really grossed out by that scene where they were making out again, Um, that's

where people were eating their food. Yeah. Gross. Man. If I was at that diner and the guy that was working behind the counter and a girl walks in and makes out with him, I would be like, I'm not eating here anymore. You know what Luke's doing right now. He's making a new sign with two tongues, like with a crosso No no tongues, no tonguing, no French kissing at the counter. People are trying to eat Dan, you'll keep going. I want to take your hormones outside. I'm

team Jess and I think Rory's wrong. I'm team Jess too. I'm also team Dean. I feel I want to give him a hug right now. I'm just not team Rory in this moment. Sorry, guys, I'm not. No. I mean, I love Rory and I get that she loves Jess, but she needs to tell Jess she wants to be with Jess. He was so right, we can't jump ahead.

But yeah, this scene was important because the market scene, everything's like a crescendo to me, So the whole episode happens for the scene in the market and the scene at the Gilmore's at the end, and we need all the other stuff. All right, let's let's just let's get back to the structure. Let's just go back to the order were let's not jump ahead my bed. No, no, no, no, we have you can't go just bit by bit because sometimes the end affects us. Also, Lorelai loves the necklace.

I'm just gonna interject with that. Okay, now we're at the end. Did anyone notice it was a new shot of the inn. I'm not sure we've never seen that angle before, which made sense to me. We're in a new season. The inn look good with it's just in the in the fireplace. Yeah, we saw that exterior shots. We saw the ex they got the bit with the mouse. M h. And and here comes Kirk talk about it. Uh,

you know, classic scene. I'd say one of the top I don't know twenty five classic scenes in that show all time is Kirk asking Laura Lae out on a date. You know it's hysterical, I mean, just to lend awkwardness. You know, the absurdity of these characters in these situations just you know, makes for belly laughs. I mean it was, it was really, it was really funny. If Unique doesn't make you laugh, then there's there's always another supporting character that's going to come in and hit it out of

the park. Um ye. Unique was still very funny. And then Sean came in and delivered. And just when you're like, Kirk is so awkward and dorky and I can't believe he's doing this, he says, you're the prettiest girl I've ever seen outside of the magazine, and you're just like, she should let go. Yeah, I mean on that note, sure she sure. Yeah. It's like he's I almost thought she was gonna just pity dat him, but then obviously I thought it was the way she handled that, which

we'll get to. It was really good. Maybe it could have been a dream sequence like in black and white, like a film by Kirk, right, why didn't why didn't he do a film by Kirk and like you know, have a lore like character in there, like his his love letter to her. It could be I want to date your mom. I love your mom. Oh my god. Alright, So we go into the Gilmore house and loyalizes in the chair while Rory sleeps because it's her last first day of high school. Right, you know, I thought Rory

had an excellent pink robe and then she so. Lorelei then tells Rory Kirk asked me out, which to me, the dialogue was so hilarious in that scene, as long as he loves you mm hmmm, yes, her daughter being appropriately sarcastic, it was very funny. And then she says, we're going to have to move. And then did anyone notice they were eating a ginormous bowl of rice crispies with Marsha clothes a lot of milk. She kept pouring that milk in there. It's like, stop, a very inappropriate

breakfast for a teenager. But and they were sharing the bowl. Okay, that's like, you know, eating each other's backwash. Basically, it's like, wow, I don't mind sharing food, but you know some people like don't share food, Like Joey doesn't share food on friends. Joey doesn't share food. That's actually a sign of intelligence to not your food. I don't know what I'm talking about. Ida, And then we find out that the Spinstein never shared his food with anybody's parents and they were Then we

find out about the ceremony and that Grandma's coming. Yes, the ceremony. Okay, how do we find out about the ceremony? Rory reveals it. Okay, So here's the thing. Okay, uh, and maybe I'm jumping out a little bit, but the ceremony, the the student body, the council whatever, giving their speeches and kicking off the new year. I thought, here's another logic flaw for me. Uh. It wasn't Paris all like noodlely about joining the Puffs? Yes, okay, so what in

the hell is she doing in that meeting? Bulldozing the head of the Puffs over ahead? Okay, well you're jumping ahead? How far ahead am I jumping? You're like three scenes ahead? Damn. It just hit me over the head. Okay, And it's hard. We're gonna have to get used to it. The first focus on the swearing in ceremony, Paris gives that like like ridiculous speech LOREA lie was that got there at three oh one? But Rory had lied to her, you know, But it starts chronically late, so you gotta lie to her.

Rory gives her speech. But the other important part was that Emily and Laura Lee were sitting together and the first bit put the purse on the chair, the purse goes off, first goes on. Would have been nice if you put your purse down, And it was a lot long. They talked about how the ceremony was a bit long. And then they're waiting in the hallway for Rory and Emily. You know, Rory comes out to see them, and Lorda like blows off Emily, so she leaves while Lorea lie

waits for Rory. It's kind of like. And then Emily says, let's have lunch. Right, So obviously there's your lunch that you had been wanting, Scott. You've been wanting them to make a plan to sit down and talk about this. So I assume that's what the lunch was. But it gets worse. Where does she want to have lunch at? What? Look? All great stuff? All those scenes are nice little runways to get to you know, our destinations. Um, all funny stuff,

all great stuff the lunch. So here's the question, is it Emily's need to manipulate and be the puppet master overlayalized life. Was laurel I justified and being so insulted by that? Umhm? Was she was? She justified? That's the question, because you know the meddling that is going on behind her back with Christopher, and it's like Christopher was too much. Emily calling Christopher is rough. Although let's not forget that

Lorelei has done the same thing with Dean. She has had conversations with Dean about Rory, which I at the time, please remember, I thought it was I just got mind blown. Yep. Yeah, it's been here for what because Danielle forgot that. Everybody's all mad at Emily. Dean's to sixteen, sixteen years old. Yeah, you're gonna have a talk with him with Johnny Chicago, Johnny Hormone over there. The talk it was when Lorelei

gave love advice to Dean. Oh, yeah, you didn't specify that. Okay, sorry, So everyone's all mad at Emily's meddling, but lor Lie medals they're the same person. I wouldn't consider Laurel I giving Dean love advice meddling. But that's Laurel I loving a kid who needs some guidance, who's gonna get who's keep continues to get hurt? And she's showing empathy. Okay, fine, So then why is Emily calling Christopher not the same thing showing love for Christopher and her daughter and wanting

them to be together and work this out. Because Laurel is not a sixteen year old kid. She's a grown woman, and she wants her respect, and she wants her boundaries respected, and those she keeps violating her boundaries, she keeps crossing Laurelized boundaries and getting involved in her life at a level that doesn't make her feel comfortable. And I don't blame her for popping at her mother. Her mother is a pain in the ass, you know. It's like she

just is. She's an abusive pain in everybody's ass. And I'm sorry to be so blunt about it. I'm tired too. I'm tired this woman just sort of bulldozing this girl who's trying to live a quality of the life away from these abusive people. And she's collected a community of of wonderful stars, hollow people. She's got a nice little situation. She's managing her life beautifully. Her daughter is doing beautifully. She's made a deal with the devil. Right, she's to

get her daughter's school paid for. But they should have done that anyway. They shouldn't put conditions on it. Why do they put conditions on it. I'll give you the money, but you have to come over once a week. What is that? So? I can disagree with you that Emily is wrong, but I just consistent that Laurel I shouldn't have done it with Dean. You it's really you can you're comparing apples and oranges. It's it's it's it's a totally different These are different worlds. These are different worlds.

This is this is this is my my abusive mother who I ran away from, won't stop disrespecting my boundaries and meddling in my life with a guy who you know it could have worked out now, I mean, Loreal I is so together that she's trying to she's moved on from Christopher. It's like, okay, you know, she got the rug pulled out of from under again with the

shocking pregnancy news for the Christophers girlfriend. So LOYALI is moving on, and she in her same high spirits and and using that humor that she developed too as a shield against her parents. Now she's using it in every aspect of her life and it and it serves her, you know, it keeps her saying, it keeps her going, It keeps her buoyant. But for her, that's her personality. That's why we enjoy this show so much, is because we get to watch that glorious person be funny and

not and not. And you know, because the you know, the the I hate to say it, the the shite is piling up so hi, she's got to grow wings to stay above it. And she's got beautiful wings and she knows how to fly, and she's flying, but this woman keeps throwing stuff up at her and getting it's getting on her wings and bringing her down. That's how

I see it done it again. We'll get to the end, but thank you very Let's go back to your scene you wanted to talk about, which was the student council meeting, the first one where it's supposed to be to get to know each other and Paris never lets anyone talk, uh, And this was where Francy brings up the hemline. And the girl that played Francie was just terrific. Yeah, she was. She was terrific. Yeah, just hit it out of the park. Made the episode for me. So talking to Daris is

like shopping for a bathing suit in December. Frustrating, useless, and a complete waste of time. Who is that actress? She hit it out of the part? Emily Burgle? Is that her last name? Burgle? Oh? She was, She was terrific. She was just terrific. She does a lot of work, she works a lot. Really good for her. She should,

she should. But that is the part where Paris bugs me, Like I can deal with Paris, but like the fact that Paris just talked in that meeting for an hour and doesn't let anyone talk is like that's annoying, you think, Yeah, and plus okay, so here's the logic thing. Puffs, leader of the Puffs, president of student council, has some power,

has some real power. Now how season one we saw you know, Rory accidentally sit down and ingratiate herself to the leader of the Puffs, and she was kind of accepted. Like this girl is so oblivious. We love her, she doesn't even know who we are lover her. Let's let her in. Paris gets all new toly can you can you have any influence with them. All of a sudden,

now she's, you know, trying to bulldoze these people. How all of a sudden she doesn't want to be in the Puffs were consistently over because they got so busted who the Puffs. Remember they got Paris and Rory got into the Puffs and they were having their initiation. Remember they had the morning thing, and Paris looked like poop and Rory looked perfect because lower Light told her they were coming. And then they got so busted in the you know, in the headmaster's office that maybe they're just

the Puffs are no more. Apparently the Puffs still exists, and they still have influence and they still have power. She's they still have an organization. So suddenly Paris doesn't want to be involved with the Puffs because so you're saying, because they have a a police record right now, that

they're not so desirable and organization to remember him. I agree with the inconsistency you're talking about, because Paris was so all about them, So why would she then be such a hardass to Francy over the in shalong hemline like it isn't consistent. I'll give you that it's not consistent at all. She just want to be popular or not. I mean, just because they got busted once by the headmaster, they weren't suspended as an organization, they weren't disbanded. They're

still together, they still wield power. You know this is there was no scene. There was no scene really explaining that the Puffs had lost their luster and their influence and their no no longer desirable. Otherwise the scene would have made sense. How they that. It doesn't make sense how important they were to Paris and how much she wanted to be friends with Francy and then suddenly now she's just gonna like slam Francy on everything. I agree anyway,

just an observation. But back to the end, Suki doesn't want to serve the vegetarians, and we tee up that the lunches today. But wait, wait, there's a life lesson. Rory teaches Paris a life lesson about being political. She's a real you know, Rory is a real operator. I mean she's a real political operator. She really like you. You want to do these small favors just in case down the line you need something from them. You know, we have to be political here. We can't. You just

can't be a dictator. Well, everyone in Shelton is manipulating everyone because Francy manipulated Rory, so Rory has to manipulate Paris. Don't even want this job college application, right, going through the motions basically, yeah, tolerating people. Um, but I you know, I I did like the scene. Listen, I don't dislike these scenes. I love these scenes. I think they're beautifully acted, and they're funny, and it's just if there's a logic question,

it kind of you're not wrong. The grill in the room, all right. So then we have the scene with Suki to kind of prepare us for the lunch. Then we go back to Chilton if we're going in order, which we kind of touched on this, and we Roy gets pulled into the bathroom and and Francy. Great scene, my favorite scene of the entire episode really in the bathroom.

That was so righteous, the scene that that show needed the hard edge, they needed a gang thing that was like that was an homage to all the great high school gang scenes that you've ever seen. Like it was just it was beautiful. It was beautifully acted by that Emily Burgele and It was just such a great situation. It took me back into high school, like like, oh my god, high school so gnarly. Like I literally just like transported me back into high school. Did you ever

get bullied in high school? I didn't, but like that exists, you know, like Francine and Rory, that scene happens in high school. For sure. I got bullied horribly. Yeah, because I was. I was small and skinny, and as a freshman I made you know I I I didn't start growing until god, sophomore year. Were you a high school based only cool? Were you cool or were you like I wasn't cool? No? I was skinny, and I mean

I was just rail finn and kind of smallish. But I I was in this situation where um, I beat out like the all star local shortstop football captain quarterback big man on cabmus guy, and all of a sudden, I found myself playing starting at shortstop for the for a powerhouse UH team and it I had a lot of enemies at that. His friends used to drag me into the wrestling room every day and beat the snot out of me to try to force me to quit. Yeah, did you quit baseball? No? Oh, did you ever go

back for a high school reunion? I mean I did, I didn't. I didn't go out my junior senior year, did I? But that was for different reasons. It wasn't because of that. It played baseball my junior senior year or no, I didn't. Have you ever gone back to a high school reunion since you've been like famous? Have you bumped into anyone from high school since you like, since you were like that guy and then now you're you know, I I look my tight circle of guy

friends as I grew up with. But what about like somebody not your tight circle? So like you're back home. I forget what your hometown was. Paddenfield, New Jersey, New Jersey. Okay, And have you ever like bumped into anyone at the seven eleven or whatever and they're like he school to high school together and then you became famous. Yeah, it's happened several times, actually, or like the girls in high school are like, oh my god, he's Luke. Now I haven't gotten not from I don't. I don't know that

that town is to impressed with stuff like that. You know, that's a different kind of a place. Oh were they more impressed that you became a professional baseball player. I don't know that they were impressed by anything. Although they did give me a day the mayor, the mayor in two thousand and nineteen gave me a day. Yes, he did do They did do that, so that was really cool. Days a question. I don't know. I'll have to look at the thing. I have it somewhere. You don't remember

your day, it's like August, It's like the city. I don't know if it was a key, but it was something. It was. It was a wonderful. I mean, everybody showed up. There was hundreds of people that it was really fun. It's really fun. Your day is Saturday, August, Saturday, August Patterson Day. Again. What hadden Field, n Jersey, Southern New Jersey, hadden Field. Yes, this is the listen. Steven Spielberg went to high school here, Brian to Palmer went to high

school here. Um, they have a Deborah Hill who wrote Halloween went grew up there. Okay, this is this is a town Joanna Cassidy's from. This is a town that has contributed to Hollywood. Might Yes it has this this small town, Yes we have. We have quite the pedigree let's go back to lunch. It loops, okay, and uh, you and Lauren, Luke and Lorela have the hilarious scene about Kirk asking Laura lae out. I just thought was hysterical. See that's that's that's to me, that's Gilmore girls. How's

that light touch? It's a little t zy, it's humorous. I did not care for getting a fork throw at me. I thought that was a little Yeah, that was a little much. Um, it was just no. The banter. The banter was there. It's as good as it gets. Uh, and really enjoyed that scene. Yeah. So then Emily comes in and of course wipes down her chair, which I thought was hilarious, right, but but she puts it back in her purse. It was so progressive of her. I was like, yes, Emily, you wipe down that seat, take

off those germs. I do that on aeroplanes. I do that on airplanes. Everybody does. Then. I also loved that even though Emily was there, that Luke still you know, they still are having their banter. It's not like you put on a different persona because Emily is there and you give the line like trying to look good for the big day. Okay, So then we find out, you know, loweralizes like why are we at lunch? Oh? Just to

have lunch? And then the bomb drops that she had called Christopher and you two belong together, she said, so discuss h just sad she just Emily is just a sad character at this point. I mean, just Laura, I had every right to to walk out of that. I mean this is the second time, second episode in a row, she's walked out on her mother, this time on turf. So that stood out to me too. I mean it's like, why do they even have a relationship? Why does Emily

want to keep having these dinners? And it's like at this point, it's like, just send Rory and you don't have to come. But then why would Rory want to come? You know, It's it's these people need to take a break from each other and just regroup. The walking out bothers me. Does that bother anybody else? How is she? But this woman just will not stop. She's like Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Terminator. She just will not stop until she rips everybody teenagery to walk out. I don't like it.

It's like talk it out and resolve it act like grown ups. Emily needs to get Emily needs to get a life. You know. It's like, get a life, go to the country club, metal in the affairs of your friends and you know, have a couple of drinks at lunch and play a little golf, play a little tennis, and just what what is the point? Emily feels like Emily keeps trying to fix the damage that she did. And I think she's driven by guilt. And that's what I think this is all about. She ruined her She

thinks she ruined her daughter. Guess what, she didn't ruin her daughter. Her daughter is made of stronger stuff than Emily gives her credit for. And she's turned into a spectacular person. She's raising a spectacular kid. And Emily, it just didn't ruin your daughter. You don't need to fix anything, So stop trying to fix everything. You didn't do anything. Why you fixed? So Emily needs to just sort of focus on herself, you know, in her own relationship, in

her own life. And it's like, stop sticking your nose in that's ye. Look, you make a great point there. Well I try, like I love arguing with you, but I can't. You're right, like Emily does. It's like chill out Emily. M hmm. But since she's made this, you know, dollar year investment in her granddaughter, she's gonna put in her two cents and she's gonna meddle to medal. I think that she would be meddling if they had any relationship at all, whether she's paying for school or not,

she would be meddling. It's like it's her who she is. Emily is just angry. She's just full of full, filled with rage at this point. See, i'd see it that part differently. I think she just wants so desperately for this all to work out. But the way she wants it to work out, it's not like she's doing it because she wants Laurel to thrive. It's like she wants everything she wants exactly. She's not concerned with anybody's happiness

but her own. Yeah, she wants Emily's happy ending, and that's her daughter marrying her, you know, granddaughter's dad and in the family and and you know, like in high class society and everything is happy, go lucky in Emily's world. But that's not crazy how much they still love Christopher even though Christopher's parents were so wild. She wants to be around all the people that drink out of a

bottle likeness, but they're pink. You. She doesn't want this, but's thing like Emily doesn't know any anything else, you know, so like you can't Emily, she's doing it for the right reason. Yeah, she does. She does. It's an unconscious It's it's amazing that somebody that age is so unconscious. Yeah, well said, yeah, it's amazing somebody that's so intelligent and so experienced is just completely single minded. Quick interjection. You

know something. I think that's very effective that they do on this show because ed Herman is not in a lot of the episodes. But I think this is intentional. You tell me, they always acknowledge Richer. They always acknowledge, Oh he's at this business meeting or he's traveling again. We feel his presence, which is why I think in my mind he's in almost every episode. It's very smart, like and you realize, like, oh, he's like such a star, so they acknowledge him. So we always feel like he's there,

even though he hasn't. He's not in like the Maid the math scene, I thought he was there. You know, I know that's next scene, but that's all right. So first we go back to the so okay, so I don't want to gloss over these important scenes because that was major what happened in the diner. We then go back to the student council meeting and they're talking about the dance, uh, which Paris kind of agreed, okay. And then the senior class photos and someone has the famous

relative that's the photographer. And then we get to the hemline issue and this is where Yt yeah, pretty famous photographer. I'm not going to And then we get to the hemline issue, and this is a where we kind of Rory does her magic. Rory does her magic with Paris on Paris. Yeah, that's where she kind of manipulates Paris and says like, look, you need to kind of that's Rory, Rory's political wise self kicking in and telling Paris what

should be. It's like, listen, Paris, you're an idiot, you're dumb, You're a blunt instrument, Like you need to be more nuanced. Stop screaming at everybody. You're boring. You're giving Sky a headache every single episode you're in. So you shut up and get smart and start being political. Oh my god, I'm running out of an um. So that beautiful scene, you know, it was pro it was it was anti headache, and it was pro feeling good. So now we're getting into so much meat in an episode in a short

amount of time. So here we go. So first we at the Gilmore House and uh, they're getting ready to go to Friday Night dinner and Kirk is on the answering machine, which was just like hilarious. And then we get to Friday Night dinner, they're basically discussing how Emily can't keep a maid and then ding dong and the shite, as you say, hits the fan. So incomes Christopher and it is emotional, a blow up. I was crying. It was God. I thought this. I thought this was the

lowest Gilmore Girls has ever gone. I thought it was so soap opera. I couldn't believe it. I could not believe what I was seeing. It was melodrama. It was out of the blue, and I wasn't. I just I was just I rolled my eyes. I could not believe how hokey that the whole thing was. Yeah. Yeah, First of all the fact that he just showed up like you sang out of the blue. For me, it was like, oh my god, because he knew they would be there. I thought it was dramatic and like amazing. I groaned.

I was like, oh, this is painful to watch. Yeah, first of all, I was stunned. I was. I loved it. I loved it so much. I can't believe how opposite we are on this one. Yeah, okay, do you want to talk first? You go first, you explain why you hated it, and I will then explain why I just did. Okay. I thought it was hokey, and I thought it was contrived, and I thought it was I I thought it was very forced. It didn't feel natural. It didn't feel I mean, I don't know. I just think you have to set

something up better than that. I so felt like we were building towards me. No, I mean I know what you mean. Yes, it was in a sense, but I just wanted there to be more craft. I wanted I Okay, So before I say why I loved it, did you love the Emily came on as the hero so as they're fighting fighting, fight, No, it didn't work. It just was all hocum to me. And then Emily standing there, Christopher, I think it's time. It was. It was the guiding light.

I'm sorry I fell out of it there. Oh my god. Okay, wait before I say, Danielle Riley, did you guys like it? Where do you guys stand? I know? I l O V E dd it? Right? You thirst why you did not like it? And then his heart you know what? Smart too? Why did you not like it? I kind of feel I just felt so just over the top and I was like, christophery, you need to chill, like, this is not the way to go about it. That's not the way to do it. And then I felt like, well,

it was very nice of Emily to come in. I was like, Emily, you kind of stirred this up a little bit too. Like your and every get that we're watching a TV show like the drama, but it's not a yeah it's a it's not a reality show, and be it's supposed to be this really classy drama. T right, it was, Christopher, that was not a scene that in any way, shape or form fit in to that world that they had established it. It was I'm trying to

tell you they didn't set it up properly. Did you know that Christopher was trying to reach Lorelai forty five times? Now did you know that he was trying to reach his daughter forty five times? They turned the audience into observers instead of participants, and that is a flaw in the writing. Okay, I love being an observer, so I know you don't love being an observer. You have to participate in the drama. They didn't give you enough information, but it was all out of the blue. I don't

need to know everything all the time. I love that he just showed up. I was like, I do otherwise you're in a You're in a soap opera. Okay, well then I love soap opera. Was like, who's at the door, Oh my god? And then it was Christopher and he, first of all, couldn't have looked hotter loot. I was like, whoa, it would have been better if he had worn a mustache. He looked so hot. He is so hot. He's just

perfect leather jacket. And the scene was ridiculous. It had no business and it was ridiculous, and it had no business being in the show Lawless. Scene first of all, we find out, first of all, it had been so hot then we find story from me. What was happening? Great, guys. First of all, he looks so hot, so oh my goodness, perfect hair, perfect eyes, perfect jack. It was the most inept scene I have ever seen of the two plus years. Oh my god, it was inept. I just cannot. I

don't know how to disagree more. I know, I don't he and I loved Lauren's performance. She was so real, so vulnerable. She's like, this hurt, this is killing. I'm sorry. You gotta see it coming, they gotta. They gotta tease it before before you know, El Greco shows up in a mustache. She always know. You've got to tease that he's trying to get into You got to give the audience the information that he's trying to reach her and that she's not getting back to him. That's a major

story flaw. It's a major hole in the story telling. I'm sorry. These people are brilliant. Amy and Dan are brilliant, The writing staff is brilliant, but they missed it on this one. Listen, I'm I'm calling it out. How I call him? How I sam Okay, I'm firm, but I'm fair, all right, I'm when things are awesome, and they usually are. And I'll do with anybody's acting. I'll do it with my own acting. I'll do it with the writing. I'll

do it. I don't care, you know, let the let the you know, cast dispersions at me, slings and arrows, I'll take them. But that was not worthy of the Gilmore Girls. That was not worthy of the show. Loved it so much. I loved it so much. I was crying. I was crying, crying, and this is the place part for me. This wasn't the last scene in the episode. That was the sappiest scene I've ever seen. I loved it. And then Rory was like mad too, and She's like, no,

you promised me, which he did. She was right, honestly. Rory came in and was like you messed up, and like okay, but don't you okay, so listen, I'm I don't want to. I'm glad that you enjoyed it, But don't you think it could have been better? Nope? No, five out of five. Had we had some knowledge that this guy was trying to get in touch with them and have these little scenes, but like, who was that? Mom? That was Christopher? And then they're like Oh, well, you

know he's pissing me off. Why didn't you take the call? I don't want what mom? You should call him back? Why did you call him back? Mom? Create some tension, create the goout the episode. It just shows how hurt Laurela is that she can't even talk about it. I understand that part, but we didn't know about it. Does it does? In my opinion, it does. Good writing is that you you help your audience to participate in whatever

is going on. And they turned me into an observer who just started throwing tomatoes at the screen at that because they didn't take me along for that ride. And I thought it was absurd. I thought that scene was absurd, Oh my god, part and ineffective and it could have had and see it didn't pay off because they didn't set it up. They didn't set it up the right way. That's part for me of the scene was that I didn't know who was at the door. So for me, that was like, who's at the door. But you should

have known who was at the door. You should have suspected. Oh god, that's Christopher, because that helps you to participate in it. I love not knowing. And then I was like No, here's the thing in great wh Look how far behind the story do you want to be as an audience? Do you want to become in another county? Do you want to be in another universe? And then all of a sudden they introduced this scene or do you want to be a little bit behind the story? Do you want to be a little bit ahead of

the story. But also, we knew Christopher was going to come at some point, right, you know, like I saw that coming. I saw him coming at some point. Was it at Emily's house that I thought you would come? No? But I loved that it was. Yeah, I thought it made him look weaker than Emily. I disagree he came

in because it too you know, they're talking. It's like when you grow care and and either no, it's either stay away and deal with your pregnant girl friend and marry her, or claimed Laura, like, don't come in and say where? Why aren't you taking my phone calls? I mean, I've never seen that guy look more like a whimp and an indecisive whimp. I'm sorry, God, I thought it was. I loved it. It was totally No, it was it's total character destruction. They made that guy look like a

whimp and an indecisive whimp. Why isn't he with his girlfriend, I mean with with his pregnant girlfriend who's gonna marry Rory is also his daughter. For God's sake, handle your business, I mean business, for God's sake. He comes charging in, you know, on his motorcycle without a helmet and with no goggles, and he rides away without his helmet, no goggles, and tonight, do you know what it's like riding a motorcycle without I wear? It's like the next time we

see Christopher, he's going to be blind. But I also love that Rory goes up stairs and Laura like, even though she's so mad at Christopher and she's so hurt by him, she still is the mom and goes out to him and says, give it time. I didn't buy it. I didn't buy into it because it was just out of the blue. It was too absurd to even engage. I don't even know how to function. I just don't. I don't even know. I don't even know, Like, do we have to take a break. I need a breath.

So pissed, but he looked good. That's the important thing. He looked really good. So that's really all that matters. And I love that he had the motorcycle and not the wolbo and everything about. Look, if you're gonna if you're gonna be like a nothing, spineless, wimpy character, it's important that you look good, right, that's the important thing. What about what about God? Be somebody else's dad? It was so dramatic and amazing, like hokey. It was, look

at here's my thing. You don't have to be perfect for me to love you. So Christopher can be flawed, but I heard love him perfect. He's the farthest thing from perfect. He's a was Are you kidding me? He's not fighting for his daughter. I feel like I need to have a whole comment with Justin. I agree, I can letly agree with you. I am shocked. I thought literally Scott was going to be like this was the

one scene I loved. No, I hated it more than anything I've ever Emily like right on, Emily like, I agree ultimately, Emily because now she understands, and so she had lorealized back. She's all yeah, I was laughing throughout the whole scene, but I was laughing at them laughing. I was crying, rying. I was like emotionally and I

was stunned. I was like in the beginning of that scene when we find out it's Christopher andre Legos mom or Emily whatever she said, and she was like, I did not do this, and she's like, yes, you did. I did not do this, and I was like, oh oh, she didn't like I was at first, says what do you want from me? I was like, oh my god, Riley, Riley, how you doing that? It felt so toxic. He could have done it in such a different way. Their life is toxic. Of course it's going to be toxic. I know.

But if he wants to prove himself and like prove that like he is the person for her, he could have come at this like he could have come in or like picked a different time. Let's play let's play this, let's play this really quick. How would you guys, like, how would you have liked Christopher to do it? Like what in your mind? What would what would have been better? Laura Lee by herself like audience and she won't call him back. Your mommy said I should come here and

I'm going to store man looking really good. Your mom didn't because he knew. That's even worse actually than he did that he knew she was going to be there. I mean, what a why didn't he have sit on the porch of the house or like like go somewhere where Rory's not there, where you know Rory will get emotional and you know here the conversation, it could have just been done in more of a mature, non toxic triggering way. That's a Dean. That's a dean move right there.

Never do that. You know, he's so wimpy, he'd just be at home. Yeah, like, come on, you just up here. Yeah, he's totally stuck. That's the thing, he says, that's why loyal lies. Like are you Harry And he's like yes, And it's just like I honestly, this scene mirrored the next scene, you know what I mean, just flipped right. I've got about You've got to prepare for this scene. As a writer, I need to see so scenes that tease this that we need. This needs to be there

needs to be an inevitability about it. Nope, sorry it didn't work. Look, it didn't work for me at all. And I thought it was a ridiculous scene. I thought everybody looked like idiots. And I loved everything about it, and I loved everyone in it. I loved Christopher, I loved Rory, I loved Laura la and I loved Emily. I felt sorry for Lauren that she had to be in the scene. I felt sorry for for all of them that they had to be in the scene. This was not their fault. But I felt this was not

their fault. Okay, they have acting jobs. I'm sure Lauren had some notes and Emily probably said, Jesus, we really have to film this, hope. I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did. This is awesome. They are very astute, the two of them. They're very astute, and they know when something's gonna you know, land, like a you know what, like awesomeness. Yeah, pure awesomeness. The outcome of that scene

is everything, is everything we needed. It's Emily backing up lower like it's loyal lie standing up to this guy and being like, yours, you screwed up, not my problem. It's Rory being like that. It comes down to execution. It's how it was executed. I agree with you on all of that. But they didn't left. It was not it was not set up that's just my opinion. Cannot wait for the comments on the Instagram literally, like can I start checking the Instagram right now? Like, oh my god.

Then the best thing is the show wasn't over like I was, like it was for me, continued, I went to a refrigerator after that. Just Apple's drama, drama, drama brings it, brings it back and the town and here comes Kurk, which I thought, oh my god, no way, like guys, it was genius. So then here comes Kirk where Loralai has to say, I can't go out with you because I'm so hung up on this other thing. Yeah, I thought that was one of the That was a great line from Kirk. I just need to know how

you feel about tuna fish. And when she says, but she let him down in in a in a very classy way I thought, really protected his feelings and you know what she was. She was also somewhat honest that she'd been through the ringer you know, on the you know, with the dating scene and used to take a long breather.

This show is so genius because we have the most important or second most important have you looking at scene of the episode in Docie's market when Jess and Rory bump into each other, and Jess was like, on, girl, you don't get to be upset at me. You're breaking my heart, Like you don't want to be with me. You didn't call me, you didn't write me. You're not breaking up with Dean. I have to see you two all around town. Of course I'm gonna go kiss Shane,

like Jess is right, Jess is right. You can't tell me not to kiss Shane because you're the one that's not meeting me. Yeah, what is he supposed to do? She's being so act like a man and go to go to Washington. Why why didn't he call her? Hang on? Hang on? What? Why didn't he call her? Here's the thing. I was on your I was on your team, Scott last episode. I was there and I totally converted after the last scene of this episode. But why was the right way he can call her? How are you doing?

You know she's still with Dean. He like it is wrong of him to try to be pursuing somebody that is in a relationship with somebody else, that she would he start to look like Dean though if he kept calling and kept but he knew look he knew that. All he had to do was make one phone call. How you doing house Washington? Hey, I want to come visit. You can't do that. You can't do that? Who can't do that? Because that's like he wanted. He did the grand all of a sudden, he's got morals. Before he

didn't give a darn when she was in town. So here's the thing. So there's a selective morality. Yeah, Jess is a good dude. He's like, might be troubled and he might be kind of a bad boy, but he's a good dude. And you know what, I don't want to ruin it. But gosh, do we share learn that when we come back for the movies. Jess is a good dude and Jess as a stud, So come on, like, Rory, this is Rory. What's she expecting? It's like so she she gets to have her cake and eat it too.

She gets to like have Jess loving her and he's not supposed to make out with Shane, but yet she's still dating Dean. Jess said it, are you still with Dean at the end of the day? If you know it's right? Wild horses couldn't drag you away from what is right and what you feel should be in an interpersonal relationship. So go you don't need it, doesn't care how old a person is. If you want somebody, if you want it to work, you go make it work.

You don't make excuses. He was like, you know, every you know excuses her, Like you know, what's everybody's got one. He had a million excuses in the market. The one thing he didn't do is he didn't act. He went to the excuses. He had facts. He had the facts, but not gonna get the girl. The one fact that matters the most is are you still a Dean? Yes? No. The one fact that matters. I'm not with Rory. That's the one fact that matters. Yeah, but you can't be

with Worry if Rory is with somebody else. But the bottom line, you cannot, Yes you can, you don't if she's with Dean. Dean was so weakened at this point. He's like, you know, the Matador and the bull he had, he had so many swords in him at this point, from the master Mattador of Jess. Jess was like sticking that damn bull, like the bull was dying for God's sake. Terrible analogy. I'm sorry if it upset people. We're all interrupting each other, so I'm preparing for those, but I'm

so upset. I don't actually function right now. I cannot function. Where he had so many letters, you talked all over each other, You're interrupting each other. I don't what to do right, don't want to do. I'm like Dean was like a pinaa. You know, there were time episode, but kind of a rival as that. I mean, it was nothing that Jess was clean, mopping up the floor with him, and all of a sudden, you wouldn't call me. What

am I supposed to do? You know, he didn't go get her, He did not get her back to start, allow to get her, and she won't break up with Dean, and she left again, and she's got the letter she's trying to write him. This is on her. She's thinking about Jess. She's obsessed with Jess. She she needed he all he needed to go go to Washington, make a magic moment and then she's yours. But why aren't you holding Brewery accountable at all? Right? It's not unheard to

pursue him. The whole thing is on her. We're talking about her. Thing is on her? She is it is not on her? What Washington? What are you talking about? I am flab literally doesn't say, Danielle, I need to lay down, I need to take crap. Like I don't even understand. Is this April fools fools happening? I just don't shock. What's so hard? You get on a bus, you your book a restaurant, you have some violins and some flowers, you book a hotel room. You make that

magic and it's a great evening. And it's it's how your relationship started in earnest with with love, with vulnerability. And then the next day she's got a big smile on her face and he's on the bus back to stars Hollow and going with a big smile. Then there's no gross tongues at the counter, you know, I mean, what's what's the big deal? He if you want somebody to go after them, you guys have just completely shut down. I can't even believe because they're so disagree Planet crazy

right now, Planet crazy. This is so crazy because I know I'm right. I know that's not a question of being right. Look, we just have our opinions. Yeah, I think I think Dean turned was transformed into a pinata. They're just there's they're slamming him. There's no candy in there. Okay, you weaken that character, you killed that character. Now you build up this whole thing with these two and it's like, let him, let him get on with it, key scenes

in the doses diner. But you didn't call me? But you didn't all of a sudden, it's a big impediment when before he didn't give a damn. I think Jess is doing exactly what he should and is standing down until Rory finally crosses the line with well, guess what he didn't get the girl? Did he he didn't get her? It would be wrong. He's doing the right thing. Hey, if if having those two together is wrong, I don't want to be right. I can agree with you on that.

As as an audience, I want to see them together. I don't want to see him making excuses why you know you didn't call me? You're with him and with Dean. You know, it's like she goes back to the pinata and she's happy. So well, that was an episode. Boy O, boy boy. The fur was flying on that one. That might have been a most heated episode to date. Good God, Amy's quiet. Amy's just gone. I've given up. I just have said my peace. She's just out. Look at her.

She's truly blown away. Is defining. Why don't don't feel don't don't say goodbye like this? We had it. We had a disagreement. First of all, I love you guys. I love this episode. I stand by it, and I just can't wait for the comments. It's gonna be great. Uh, it's a great episode. It is not a great episode. Oh it was so good. I don't know why it's called Haunted Leg but Ton out of ten well Riley. Riley informed us that Laura is a line from Laura. I put that what it was? I just was did

you guys say that out loud? Just no, no no, no, no, no. I missed it too. I missed it too, she said Laura I says at one point, yeah, I'm not feeling so good. My leg is haunted. So there you go again, another you know, another bone head title for a less than great episode, Haunted Leg. What the hell does that mean? This one was off for me. I'm sorry. Although I enjoyed it, I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed discussing it. With you very astute ladies. And uh, I can't wait

till next week. I don't even know. Was it because Christopher didn't have a leg to stand on or a spine to hold him up right? So that was good. Don't laugh, don't laugh at that, seeds of discontent. Oh no, that was good. All right, guys, everybody, Look, thank you for hanging in there with us. Uh, we definitely need to towel down. We need to get amy some I told you have to go lay down. I just she's got somewhere, she's gonna take a couple of laps in

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