It's Still There (S2 E21, "Lorelai's Graduation Day")

Everything just zooms by. And I think that's really That's one of the main takeaways for me from this episode is is you know, Richard and Emily were so good about showing up to the graduation, they were so distraught at the experience of it. Emily shed a tear, not of joy. That was not a joyful tear. That was a tear of what could have been. Oh see, I don't I didn't see it like mm she was so proud. I don't think so. No, No, it was just because

it's the way they looked at each other. Because Laurel I was welling up and her mother was welling up, Emily was welling up and she and Emily looked down. She just she had to put her head down because it was just gosh darn at the listen, if you're a parent and you put all that time and effort into breeding and raising your daughter in a certain way.

And Laurel I said it best herself when in the scene with Rory, when she was having trouble studying, when Laurel I was having trouble studying for her final exam or whatever it was, Um, and she she's built it right out. She said, My I'm a huge you know, Please don't invite mom and dad because it will be to the graduation ceremony, because it'll they'll be humiliated. I'll feel bad, it won't be good for them, it won't

be good for me. So please don't do it. Um. That's exactly what Richard and Emily had to fight through the humiliation of it because they here, they are in a community college. They hilariously brought their own cameraman role to film the whole thing and hi deaf, um, and it was just very sad. It was very very sad.

That so fascinating. I thought completely differently. I thought it as look how much we've been through and look where we are now, and that those were like tears of joy, like we're here watching this moment and you know, I'm not gonna say it's all peachy, but like they're getting along and they got to exp aarens this with her. And that's why I thought it was so poignant, Like when they take that photo, when when Loure lies like, wait, wait, wait, aren't we going to take that photo at the classic

parents surrounding the graduate photo? I just thought so differently. I I got emotional twice during this episode, and this was one of the times when I'm like, wow, we've been through the mud and we're kind of digging ourselves out, and look at how they've come far. They've come. I just don't think Emily and Richard are ever going to

meet her halfway even I think they're humiliated. I think they're going to to go to their graves humiliated, and and they're constantly thinking of what could have been when because look at her, I mean, she could have had everything and they could have been with her as grandparents in in their status conscious world where they exist. They don't exist anywhere else. They can't maneuver or function anywhere else.

They tried today and I thought, uh, I mean in today's in the episode I watched this morning, Um, and Richard gave her a check I know, I thought, But he couldn't say anything else, but because he was emotional, because he didn't know what to say, because he was trying so hard. He was trying so hard. There was another perspective. But man, do I see this so differently? No, I get it, I get it, I get it. But

here's the thing. For me, it was Richard doing the right thing, and there was a part of him that was was proud of his daughter. There was a part of him that wanted to come together because they've now he sees Laurela in a different light because of the experience left last episode. How capable she is, what a what a terrific mother she is, what a terrific woman she's turned out to be. It wasn't the way they envisioned it, but she's still a Gilmore and he's still

kind of proud of her. Now it's like so out of her and got to have that moment, but he still didn't know what else to say to her. There was still, you know, the pangs of disappointment, the pangs that that come from, you know, a woman in their eyes that did not reach her full potential. I mean, I I thought so differently. I thought he was sort of like filled with pride that moment, like I get to give my daughter that college graduate check, but so

many dads get to do that. Almost like he didn't need words, Like he waited till Emily walked away so he could share that moment with just a little light. And I thought it was so important. She said thank you daddy, But right I know, I that was that was that was moving. It was but I think it meant so much to her and to him for them to have that just between the two of them. I want you to have this, Like I could cry right now, I like literally could cry right now. It was. That

is why I love this episode so much. I don't know, I just I think he just he wanted to say more. He just didn't know. He he never prepared himself for this moment. He couldn't have prepared himself for this moment when he was giving a check to his daughter who had graduated community college at thirty well now thirty three years old. It was he wasn't prepared for that and he didn't know what to say to her. It was

so far below his station and Emily station. They did the best they could that Emily did it in you know her her style, right, she went over the top of everything, and you know she was doing all that stuff to make herself feel comfortable so that she could stay in control. You know, she didn't want to really participate in the ceremony and and make it about Laurel. I she had to make it about herself, didn't she.

She had to make it about how she still has control role And this is going to be such an awful experience for her because you can't say no to Rory, right, I mean, she she really she that was an amazing so that we'll talk about. I see what you're saying, But you know what I mean, It's like she had to take she had to exert that level of control and just be herself so that she could get through it. So see that's where we disagree. So I look at it at me, I totally agree with you on me.

She had to have control. She has to Emily everything, do you know what I mean? Because she doesn't want to trust some other camera are not getting capturing the moment. The only part that you and I diverge is I think she did it because she's like, I'm going to capture this moment. This is my moment as a mother to sit here while my daughter graduates. And what I think is for the last ten years twelve years since she would have been college aged, they never thought they

would get this moment, and now they're so overwhelmed. Oh, I see Riley nodding. Riley, I agree to. And I think the silent from Richard it is like he was just you know, when you reconnect with somebody, there's still that awkwardness, like you're still trying to figure each other out and read each other. And I think he was just doing the best he could and what he knew

and what he knew about lor La. And I think Emily, the cameras and all that, that was how she knows how to show love and support, So that's how she was showing up. I tend to agree a little bit. Yeah, Okay, no, no, it makes sense. No, I mean I think it can be both, right, it doesn't have to be one of it. It doesn't have to be either or I think is that not the magic of the show, right, right, it's

all at one right, these scenes are operating on many levels. Yeah, and did you see Seth McFarland, he stole it for me. I'm sorry those Alicia what's her name, Alicia Bergman was the actress that played the girlfriend that that I was laughing out loud. I mean that was just pure joy to watch that. You would be the expert on this, but like you really see, like obviously Seth McFarlane, now it's so massive and brilliant, like you can see it right from the start with someone. But wasn't he already

popular back then? Was before like Family Guy? Was it? I mean, wasn't it was? It was about that time. Let's see how long Family Guys been on? Didn't he have stuff? He had stuff going on? But going yeah he was, he was already Family Guys, right, but he hadn't kind he had stuff going on. I mean, I'm sure. Don't you think they knew of Seth McFarlane because of Alex Yeah? Yeah right, I mean maybe that was the Family Guy premiered in We're just three years later? So

he wasn't massive now he was. I think that show was a hit right away. It was, but he wasn't like I mean, later on he hosted the Oscars, Like definitely, I know, I know, I I've been invited to a place where he sings every once in a while. Yeah yeah, and it's probably only the first time someone saw his face. But it was hysterical his delivery and his his temperament. And and Alicia Bergmann, she was just her. Her delivery

was so droll and deadpan. It was so great, and it made it so much more cringe e. Everything Emily was like the corsages was so cringe e. I know, well, you know she Emily wanted to do her thing, but listen, yeah, it's it's again when you have a child. And man, just I kept thinking what was her life like to make her do this? You know that. That's why I want to do the prequel. That's why I want to

think about doing the prequel. It's like, like, what was in you know, Amy and Dan's minds when they created this scenario. What did they picture happened between Richard, Emily and Laurela before you know, two years before she got pregnant. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying, what the heck was going on? Was was her pregnancy a result of her saying, I'm rejecting you, I'm rebelling hard, and this is what I'm doing. Was it a conscious thing or was it just an accident. I love this guy.

I love this guy, and this happened. And look at what a child does to a person's life. I mean, in one sense, it it made her diverge from the Emily Richard pattern that she was, you know, deeply, deeply embedded in her life. Was supposed to go a certain way and it went another way. And I think the thing about Laurela is, as soon as she's pregnant and she has a baby, it's like her, it's not about her anymore. It never gets to be about her. It's

really about that child. And life sixteen years goes by like that, like you blink and it's you know, my son is seventies almost eight years old. You blink and he's eight years old. It's wild how fast life goes and how fast paced every day is and how full they are. And you're not thinking once about yourself, and if you are, you feel guilty about it. So it goes, goes, goes,

goes goes. So Laura La is not just she's not and she's not back there still with the parents, which is why she wants to kind of keep a distance. It's like, I'm on my path with my kid. Life is moving fast, it's great. My kid is doing great, and that's all that matters. None of this other status garbage in your money matter compared to my child doing

well and feeling safe. So I literally love that you just said that, because it's why the scene between Laurel and Rory after she misses the graduations so amazing, because she is so about Rory and then she took one minute to be about her and it went sideways. That scene was amazing between the two of them. I mean I was bawling, bawling because she you're You're so right on, and then immediately once she realizes, like what Rory's going

through is more important again. I mean, Lorel sacrifices everything every time, and it's you love her for it because it's like, what would how would Emily have reacted to Laurel if Laura la Well, we see how Emily reacted. Laurel I missed her her graduation, Laura L I missed her life. According to Emily and Emily and Richard rejected them, rejected her rejected. I mean, can you imagine at some point there was no there were no there was no Olive Branch Uh extended to Laurel to like, come back,

bring us our grandaugh. I mean, what happened in those sixteen years, not only what happened when she was probably we don't know. We don't know was it was it Laurel I reaching out to them and then rejecting her, or was it Richard and Emily reaching out to them? Because I mean, they have this granddaughter, and do you know is they never sent her away, they never disowned her.

They wanted her to marry Christopher and do it their way, and she said no. But it's not like they shunned her or you know, so maybe there were all of branches and Laura I just was like, no, I'm going to do this my way. So here's the question, who's a better mother, Emily or Lorela. I mean, look at look at how Laurela deals with her child, and look

at how spectacular Rory is. Right, and I'm not saying that Layla is any less spectacular, but there's can you imagine at this point, Rory, what what if Rory gets pregnant with jesser Deine. How do you think Laureli reacts, She's gonna is she going to react like emilyin is not going to happen because she's already invent that. But could dialogue. That's one of the major tensions of the show. They talk about. But you can't, you can't stop that kind of I mean, it's mother nature and kids and

hormones kicking in. No, you can't. You can't stop her from having sex. But Laura La has such a different open dialogue with Lori. They addressed it when she was dating Dean. Al Right, so what happens? What happens when there's I mean, now she's she's thirty, Rory's thirty two, well not thirty two, but she's older now she's what thirty? I was, so how old is she now? Yeah, they did the real time kind of thing. Um, now she's pregnant, but what if she what if she was pregnant when

she was sixteen? Just like, just like Laurela when it happened, I'm just hypothetically just go with me there, just just go with playing again. But just hypothetically speaking, Roy comes home mom. I was with Jess in New York and and it happened. What do you mean, I'm pregnant? How

does Lorelai would have done it differently. She's not going to be thrilled, but she would have handled it differently because lor Light makes lore Light sacrifices her own needs and desires for Rory's, which you saw in that scene in the end. You saw it immediately. She was hurt. It was her graduation that Rory missed. She had all the right in the world to be upset at Rory. As soon as she realizes, oh my god, my kid is really struggling, she forgets the graduation. It's gone, it's done.

There's no holding a grudge on it. It's like, boom, We're going to deal with what you're going through. I loved that scene. Should we skip to that scene? You want to talk about that scene? What did you think? I thought it was a monster of a monologue for Alexis to handle, and I think she handled it very well because on the page, you know, on and the script, it's just it says Rory, and then it's just blacking

all the way down the page. And then you turn the page and there's black inkle all the way down the page for Roy, and then you turn the next page and there's black ink and you're looking at that, going a, I gotta memory. I saw this and the tone and the delivery, the way Alexis said those lines, and for me, I try not to even think about them as actors. I really want to be in it

with the characters. And just the way she's like, no, and then I've grounded and I'm never leaving my room again, and you should take my food away, like I'm just going and going and doing it, and you you realize how sorry she was, and then you realize that turmoil she's in. Yeah, and Laura Lie was. God, Laura is such an awesome mom in that because she's like, wait a minute, like you have fallen for him, like you know, like, oh my god, I just tears are rolling down because

I just thought, is this history repeating itself? Though you know it's uh, you know, is that is that one of the fears for for lauralize that she's gonna, oh boy, here we go again, and what's you know, what's Emily? However, Emily and Richard going to react to this one. Now Rory, Now Rory can't go to Harvard because she's going to get knocked up. For me, it was like, look, any mom knows the first boyfriend is not going to be

the forever boyfriend. And lordly, lordly, deep down those like, oh my god, she likes Jess and even one more he is like, Dean's my Boyfriend's gonna be my boyfriend forever? And no, right, he's talking about skeet shooting. You know, she cuts school and on a bus to New York. Do the clay pigeons bleed? No, they're clay, they're the pigeons bleed. What if you shoot the guy? It's stending off the clay pigeons. Oh my god, you too. I'm like, I'm like crying over this amazing moment. Okay, so let's

go back to that. No, no, no, no, you're on you're on an island all by yourself and tears and we're out on the yacht having drinks. It's not fair to you, all right, So let's come back to the shore. Let's let's get on misery island here. Um. I it was.

It was an enthralling scene, for sure. I don't I don't know that it impacted me the way it impacted you, okay, um, but it's certainly showed, Uh in my mind, what what kind of a mother Laurela I really is compared to her own mother, and how her own mother would have reacted to that, because because because Emily would have read Laurela the riot Act, I mean absolutely would have read her the riot Act and that would have gone so put her down and humiliated her about it and walked away.

You know, I love seeing is that is the fans, people listening to the podcast and huge fans of Gilm Girls, when they write us on the Instagram about how they've changed their perspective. I think we've talked about it before, how they when they watched it in the you know, two thousand, they saw it one way, and now twenty years later, because they've aged, they see it differently. And I think maybe that's why that I'm almost like getting

a little choked up. I think maybe that's why that scene just is so impacted me so much, because it was like, did you have a scene like this with your own mother? I'm venturing I guess here, no, I I That's what I was thinking to know. But for some reason, I mean maybe maybe kind of but it's but no, it's a big deal. It's so it's a

big moment. I mean, these these these two to this girl and this woman are having moments in their lives right and you know, Laura la quite um appropriately took a step back and realized that, you know, her daughter's uh blossoming sexuality is a very powerful thing, and it's something that she needs to pay attention to, and it's something she's very familiar with because the same thing happened to her when she was sixteen, and so she gets it.

So she's she went immediately into mom mode. And it's the first time that she was not asking everybody to make a big deal about it. But she was happy that people you know that Rory wanted to make a big deal. Me it was Rory's idea. Anyway, to invite Richard Emily, it was Rory's idea, and to have Laura I go participate and even go, Laura, I was going to blow it off. You know, we need to talk about that too. Yeah. It's like, I'm like, I'm not gonna cry, like I bleed together right now, but like

I can feel like almost crying. I'm like having that about to cry moment. And I think one of the things maybe is it was so puppies and rainbows with Dean and Rory. We like each other. You know, they've had a couple of moments, but for the most part, it's like, oh, we like each other. Here's your bracelet, like you know, here's your you know, it's just very like here's a car, like sweet sweet, sweet puppies and unicorns. Rory is now experiencing like angst, Like it's different. She's

got ankst. She she kind of wigged when he called, and you know, she's like, oh, like, it's just such a different love now it's I'm not saying this well, I don't know. Hopefully people are like understand where going. It's a different thing. And it's so much more like, oh boy, it's a side of her that she recognized. There's a darkness there, you know, she because Rory looks

a certain way. Let's not assume that she hasn't had her own struggle, internal struggles, her darkness, fighting off demons, whatever it is, right, um and Jess is really being quite demonstrative with with this trouble, so I think, but I and I also think that there's a side of of Rory that is so altruistic and and so giving that she really wants this kid too, And it's in her bones because it's you know, it's it's it's Gilmore, it's a Gilmore thing where she she wants him to

get on the right path. Everybody's trying to keep everybody on the right path. Emily and Richard are trying to try to get Laurel on the right path. Now they're trying to get Rory into the right path, and they're paying for it. And they went there Friday night dinners and now and now Rory wants to keep or get Jess on the straight and narrow because he's got tremendous potential. It's all about potential. Don't blow your potential, don't waste

your potential, don't hiss it away. And I think she sees something very very intriguing and very smart and um artistic and soulful in in Jess, and she wants him to realize his potential. I think that's real love, it's real care. Two questions, Yeah, One is what did you think of the scene, Like, he doesn't know she's coming. These people don't have cell phones. She just knows the parky things out in, which is also kind of ridiculous.

So what did you think of the scene when she just shows up and like taps him on the shoulder and he's very nonchalant. She's very nonchalant. It's not like, what are you doing here? So like subtle, like hey, by the way, I lived to block away from Washington Square Park in New York. One of one of my apartments. Was it like right at tenth and tenth Avenue, I mean our fifth avenue. No, you it's right by n y U. You can't miss it. I mean, it's not

a huge it's not a huge, huge park. It's it's it's a lot of concrete and there's some good there's a there's a uh you know, there's a center part of it that's round and it's it's a lot of concrete and then there's some seating areas and there's some trees and grass. You know, it's the typical small, smallish I mean, it's larger than your your average New York inner city park. It's not Central Park. But but they

really nailed the look of it. When when she went up behind us, I said, did they fly to New York? And I mean because it kind of they kind of because you know, that's my area. And I was like, wow, that put me right back in you know, into late eighties, early nineties. But but then the other stuff, it was it's harder to to create walking around town. Yeah, that's harder. That's a little harder. But they did. You know, they had the full trash cans and you know, trash building

out people walking around. What did you think of the bus scene? Outside the bus window and she opens the window and he's like, why did you come? It was for me? It was It says everything about how she feels, about how they both feel about each other. I mean, he knows why, he wants to be sure, but she just she looked so smitten. It's like she's gone. I mean, she loves that guy. Do you see her face? Right? It's school. You know, she's still happy with him and

also authentic. I still think she's playing the role of the the perfect girlfriend to Dean. It's not her and she knows it too. That's why she's like pulling away from him. She's she's she's she's giving Dean what Dean wants. You know, it's an act. No, I think there's some feelings there, but it's not but Jess. Jess moves her and they move each other. Jess moves her and she doesn't know why. That's why she got on a bus, you know, and she can't stop thinking of she can.

I was actually surprised how sort of happy she's been following the car accident and him leaving, because I think in real life that teenager is like way more sad and MOPy and weird about it. Right, I'm a question, do you think Rory likes Jess more because Jess is more like Christopher, like her dad, like she finds comfort in him. I don't see any similarities between the two. I mean, I know they try to pawn that off, but I'm not saying, you know, you know, Christopher's to

the manner born and Jess is not. That's so that's that's yeah. I don't see any similarities at all. Here's the similarity I see. Give me a scene between Lorla and Christopher ping pong ping pong, bo ping pong, very similar to Luke and lor Lai. That yeah, oh, there's some ping ponging, although this scene we need to talk about coward in the market. But Jess Rory ping ping pong boom boom, Like it's a very similar sort of where they really are jamming and Dean and Rory do

not have that. But here's the problem, the fact that she skipped school to get on a bus without telling her mother at sixteen, went to New York City without knowing, have never having been there, h and found him at Washington Square Park. Okay, that is trouble. That means Jesse is just more trouble, like this is the guy that is actually and in reality throwing her off her game, throwing her off her trajectory because she's going straight up to Harvard Yale, right, and man, what's she doing in

New York City chasing you know, jack kiroac around. So that's a concern, correct, That never came up, But that's gonna come up. It's like this is it'll come up. And I know this will come up in in ensuing episodes. Well yeah, and we already know Lore lies super nervous and has been trying to like, oh, please don't make this be real even though she knows. But Jesse, Jesse has knocked down or not. He's he's hurting, he's lost, he's um and what is he is? Liz is Liz

my sister in New York City? Is that is that? The deal? Is that why he's there? You haven't seen her? Okay, so she's there, come home to mom and probably called Liz and said you need to deal with this, like you need to take him back. So that's why he's there. But he's obviously cutting school and Liz is still Liz, so she's not taking care of him right now. So he's a cool, edgy, good looking, uh smart, New York City kid, and man, there's very tempting for a suburban girl, right,

I mean she went to New York. I don't want to go to New York now. I'd be scared on my own walking around New York? Are kidding? Yeah? So what did you think of um Luke and lorel bumping into each other in the market? Um hmm, I don't know. I mean it was necessary scene. I thought it was a little I don't know. I found I don't want to be too critical here, but I found a lot of these scenes just sort of awkward. Um. I thought the timing was off on on a couple of different scenes.

There was one between lore Lae and Emily at the at the at the community college when oh, you're here four hours early, what are you doing? You know this kind of thing, and then maybe it's an Irish conference. I thought that. I thought the end of that scene was very, very awkward. Um the time, the timing wasn't right. There was something off about it. Um, I'm sure you're right. I didn't nobody noticed, is it right? And I'm getting into the weeds here on stuff and I shouldn't get

into the weeds they do. Um anyway, It's just things, really, you know, sometimes things don't click, and whether it's the writing or whether it's the directing, or whether it's whatever it is. The actors didn't feel it that day or something like that. But something was a little bit off for me for Mene everything, No, no, just in that and part of that scene. So I'm I'm, you know, watching like a hawk and making notes. And that's kind

of what I scribbled down I thought. I thought the Luke Laurel like Taylor Dozie Dozies market scene was a little bit like that too. It was a little close. Yeah, I'm done with their fight and need them to make up. I'm like, I feel like they would have would have been better if he reached for lemon and handed it to her. Yeah, like I felt like they should have. Um,

I don't know. I felt like that I was ready for the moment of like bygones, you know kind of I get that they probably have to like talk it out, but like I'm done with it. Um yeah, but Jesse is gone, right and she hasn't. I think Luke is is Luke. So Luke is not the guy who's going to go to her because they don't have a quote unquote relationship. They don't. They do not. Okay, So they're friends and they had a spat and you know, they're

both piste off at each other. And Jesse is gone, and you know, it's not like Luke is going to go to her and said, gosh, you know, I'm sorry, and here's some donuts and some brownies. And I feel really about about that. He's not that guy. She's that girl though. Yeah she hasn't done that yet. But am I being But am I being sexist for for expecting her to do that and he is not capable of it. That's not sexist? What is it? It's that's not him.

It's just not easily just be a woman that isn't like that, and that Luke would have to do that. That's just him, and I think that's totally fine. And like for him, is it a situation where nobody's wrong and nobody's right. Yeah, and one of them is just going to have to It's a game of chicken. Nobody's wrong, nobody's right, and one of them is just gonna have to. And Luke is not the guy to continue to stir

the pot. You know, he won't. He won't go to her, like I've said, so, I guess he's just waiting for her. If she says something, he'll immediately forgive her. But she hasn't done it yet, which is why he didn't really want to engage her. No, I mean she she tore him a new one man, you know, Yeah, I mean she really tore him a new one. And he's just

not I mean, they're not in a relationship. So if he's in a relationship with her, then he's you know, he's a little more inclined to make things right, you know, because he wants to make things right. I think that's but they're no, I mean it's like your friends. Look, we've all had spats with our friends and when they get you know, when they get amped up like that, that can end to friendship, you know, really can It changes the friendship totally, totally, you know, and it too

will get through it. But yeah, you're right, but friendships are a little more fragile than than than you know, actual relationships and even marriages when it comes to kids. Really you make up real fast. I have a question for YouTube, what did you make of the gift from Christopher? You know, Riley, I'm gonna let you go first, go ahead. An awful lot of thought went into that gift. That

was a highly specific gift, highly specific. Anyone getting the feeling that Christopher likes Laurel Oh, they may as well just hit us over the head with a hammer. I mean, Jesus talk about you know, that was subtle. I even got your camera. I'm going I'm going to mock this scene. I will mock this scene. I loved it because I love Christopher love so yeah, that was pretty cool. And then it kind of leaves us hanging like, what is going you know what for me? It is? You know

what it is for me? And and I don't want to sound hypocritical because Luke isn't exactly the most aggressive guy, you know, making a bee line to her door, like I I must have you. Uh, you know, at least at least Christopher is doing something about it. But it's like with Christopher, it's like, dude, you know, blank or get off the pot. I mean, stop stop with this, you know the stuff. Just go get her, you know what,

what is? What's up? You're in a relationship, you don't live there, obviously you want her back, you know, just go do it. Didn't he try to do it and she got rejected. He tried to know, he tried to do it in season one, but when he tried to do it in season one and she said nap, sorry. And I think they were even in the better because he stayed up. He stayed over. Remember they hooked up at the balcony Gilmore, It's like what on the balcony? Yeah,

exactly right. And then he spends it like there's all kinds of Yeah they have a complex relationship. Yeah, well look he's he's the father of their child, of her child. What are you gonna do for me? I'm sorry that scene was just so sappy. Uh, And I know people love that stuff. I'm not a fan of SAP. It's just love. I literally, yeah, that was just beyond beyond. Okay, So I made some notes that I just want to give to you guys and and get your thoughts. I'll

do fashion at the end. Um question, is that the first time we ever saw the gates of Chiltern, Parris and Rory are walking. That looked like a new look. It did look like a new location. I agree, Yes, it did. It did look. It gave it some some scope, you know, Okay, it us a different angle in the place. How about the tassel hat. Suki made a tassel hat pretty amazing? Again, you know, I thought, wouldn't it be wonderful to live in a place like that where everybody

knew each other and did things like that? You had friends that did that kind of stuff for you, and there's places like that and friendships like it. Isn't that wonderful? Uh? Was anyone else totally panicked that Rory lost her backpack when she came off the bus and into the park. And then I was so grateful that they wrote a line acknowledging where the backpack was that she put it in a locker. Yeah, was I the only one just getting real anxious, like where is her back? Did not

did not get anxious. I was too busy marveling at the Did they take those guys to New York City Washington swear part and film that little scene? No, they couldn't know. But that is how I felt during the English tea circus. What a spread? What a spread? And like, let's yell at the server for the no doilies, I mean, for God's sake, amazing. Um. Let me see if I have a few other notes before we get to fashion.

I think those were other than you know. What I thought was a little gross was the dude on the bus with his like, oh that was hysterical? Dipping? Is that called dipping? Spitting into the camp? Okay? Do you want me to rattle it down? Do you want to like just amuse yourself. Do you want to try and participate in the fashion recap? Okay? If you If something is a standout, you tell us. So here's were here were my picksloraized red pants, Riley with the black flower

in the beginning. Yes, yeah, yeah, she looked good, right, yeah she did look good. Those parents made those were that's yeah, she looked good. I agree, and I still think there was something new about the children sweater. Now. Then she wore Lorea Lie I'm always like partial Lorea Lize fashion. That's really what I looked for. She wore a blue sweatshirt with like an eagle on it, maybe a butterfly, like a bird. It was very sparkly and just super cool. Then there was one scene where she

had a crossbody bag. Did you notice that? I was like, I want that bag now, thought that was amazing. Um, I've got more Madonna sweatshirt? Did you notice she was wearing a Madonna sweatshirt? At one point, Rory had a gray hoodie that I thought was like super on point. So yeah, I mean I thought the fashion in this episode was a real step up from the week before. Definitely, she had an angel long sleeve sweatshirt on that one scene whatever it was he said things said an angel

on it. Yes, that was super cool. She's she's a she's a cool check. You know she dresses she dresses great. Yeah. Okay, So there were a couple of inconsistencies that I noticed in the episode. There was a big ups with Rory when she's sitting on the bus waiting for it to leave to go back to Stars Hollow, and she's talking with the guy sitting next to her right, and around thirty seven she lifts her arm and you can see

that she isn't wearing the cast. No no, sorry. Also let me see in the cold open right in the beginning, the fifties style vinyl chairs in Suki's kitchen were in Luke's diner a few episodes ago. Jess was sitting and Rory was trying to tutor him and teach me tonight. So how did they end up in Sukise m hm. They both bought them at the local okay, from from four to four. I think that it's probably worth noting that Rory is making coffee in a French press, which

is pretty sophisticated for her girls, don't you think. Definitely very much so. But they are coffee connoisseurs. And you know the record store proprietor and I knew it was somebody, And you'll help identify who this person is, the guy that had the line the proprietor, you know, the older guy in the wig with the with the leather vest on, because he because he made a comment on who the who the record was and oh that band broke Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah yeah, Okay, I'm with you. I'm up to speed now. It was none other than Chuck E. Weiss. Is that who uh? Ricky Lee Jones is singing about Chuck E? Because it's Chuck E like the letter, not Chucky like Chucky. Yes, yeah, I wonder, Yes it is he is because here's the headline, Chucky's in love. He was the subject. So that is the legendary Chucky. He helped launch the Viper Room in l A on Sunset Strip with Johnny Depp. I've been to the Viper Room many times. Whoa And he did

Gilmore Girls. Hold on, are we sure that's him? You are correct. Weiss appeared on a two thousand two episode of the series Gilmore Girls as the proprietor of a New York City record store. He also did cameos in Um Married with Children, brotherly of Whoa And he died in two thousand. Oh my god, he just died like in last July. And he's so do yourself a favor and hit on the iTunes or however you listen to

your music. People not say iTunes, I do iTunes. Chucky's in love because that was like the best song by Ricky Lee Jones. Do you know the song? I do not know the song only Chucky. I know it's Chucky Cheese. Right. So the story is that he was on the phone with Tom Waits and he was talking to Tom Waits about being in love. Yeah, because Chuck in the Fall of Seven, So so Ricky Lee Jones must have had

a thing with Chucky. Maybe, So wait to put the phone down and he announced to Ricky Lee Jones Chucky's in love. And did Ricky Lee Jones say, Okay, this is making so much sense to me. Now I need to find out if Ricky Lee Jones and Chucky Because basically what happened is everyone was talking that Chucky's in love and then Ricky Lee Jones reveals in the song He's in love with the girls singing this song, did we just like figure out a mystery from the seventies

that no One. Wits worked as a dishwasher at the Troubadour in West Hollywood, Um, and he met Ricky Lee Jones there and Tom Waits and they became Tom Waits and Jones became an item, and the three of them became inseparable as they caroused through Hollywood, stealing law and ornaments. That's where that's wheremy got the thing. Uh. And pranking people at music industry parties like shaking hands with dip smeared in their palms. Okay, oh my gosh. And here's

a quote. It seems sometimes like we're real romantic dreamers who got stuck in the wrong time zone, Jones told Rolling Stone in v. Nine, describing Weiss and Watts as her family. At the time, they lived at the Tropicanum Motel on Santa Monico Boulevard. Um. I've gone down a wormhole here that I'm not totally certain everyone listening cares about. But it is interesting, very interesting, great spots. No, no, I agree. They can edit what they want. You can,

you can edit and whatever you want. Um, let me ask you another question. Is this the first time we knew laurea lized middle name is Victoria? And and forgive me we maybe first time? First time I heard it me too? Okay, great, glad to hear it. I'm ready for the favorite lines because I've got mine. Who wants to go first? Riley go ahead? Um? I highly related to this line. Laurel I says, my pursuit of higher education hasn't led me to an interesting discovery about myself.

I despise academics, learning knowledge. It's all worthless. You want mine. It was my kindergarten salute to vegetables passion, and I was broccoli and I did a tap dance with a guy that was playing beats. It was kind of a life lesson for me. That was amazing. And then the other one that was so good is she goes through her whole spiel to Richard and Emily and they say, we accept your terms. That we accept your terms. Yes, that was funny, that was good. Yes, because we didn't

really talk about that, did we. Rory taking the bull by the horns and and going over the going over and scheduling an afternoon or a midday t with Emily and Richard to plead with them, or actually not plead but just sort of gave them the information. You can do with it what you will, no hard feelings. If you say no, we got it, but spelled it out, said you gotta. We'd like you to be there, and I would be very nice if you were at the graduation. And you know what could they say, like get off

your freaking high horse and go support your daughter. A couple of snoots snooty tunes. Come on, get off your high horse, snooty tunes. You did, although I'm proud of you because you said we were going to dig into music more and really did. We really nailed it in this episode not did not not live up to our promise on that. Um, there's a great led Zeplin song in here too, going what was it? Going to California? Ramble on not going to California, ramble on what a

great song? That song is so often played at my high school parties. Everybody had a guitar and everybody's and ramble on. Everybody wanted to go to California, And I think I think I'm the only one that did. Ma and me and one other guy was Stairway to Heaven led zepone. Yeah, isn't it like an eleven minute song? I just remember that like its school dances. You were like,

I don't get stuck with someone, It's really not. It's like kind of a doorway to hell if you're the wrong purpose karaoke Stairway in the in the music store where I grew up, they were signs saying, you know, they're guitars they were signed, saying no playing Stairway to Heaven because all the employees were sick of hearing it because that's the only song that people were learning, and they come in and play the guitars all day. Stay.

I give this double double double thumbs up. Listen. If it wasn't for if it wasn't for the guy with a spit can and the kids stuff, um and Seth McFarlane and Alicia Bergman, I would have liked this episode. It far less. I mean I did. I did enjoy it. I got a lot of laughs out of Seth McFarland and Alicia Bergman. Rory made me laugh. Um, you know, they're just there. Michelle made me laugh. He had a

great appearance and he they lorea. I asked him to describe his high school friend graduation in France and the typical great response, Um and uh yeah. I don't know. I don't know if it was that strong of an episode, but it's certainly it certainly moved the ball forward, didn't it. It's certainly um deep in some conflict. It's set up the next wave, which is going to be Jess and Rory and maybe Christopher and and Laura la and Lucan and Laureli maybe getting back together. I mean, there's there's

a lot going on here. I described this episode as like the crescendo, but but it's really laying the new track down for uh, these narratives to continue. So it's it was a necessary episode. It was entertaining as hell. Um, some awkward clunkiness in it, but overall, uh, pretty enjoyable to watch and some really good belly laughs. I mean, I did not know Seth McFarland was that funny. I had no idea. I just you know, I just but

why should I be surprised? He created this magical show that's hysterically funny, right, I just didn't know that he could perform that well as as a comedic actor, because he really nailed that stuff, man, I mean he committed to those lines and so did that and that obviously that Alicia Bergman was you know, you should try to get her on. She was. She was great. I don't know if her time's passed because this this is, but she was. I mean she just fascinates me with that delivery.

She's one of those, you know, naturally gifted people with that, with that delivery, who has the confidence is to lay back on it and know how I mean she was really funny. Um, when when everything out of somebody's mouth is funny, then you've got something really special. So but no terrific episode. All right, everybody, that's gonna wrap it up for this episode. Uh, next week we're gonna get into the season two finale, episode twenty two. I can't get started. That is gonna put a cap on season

two and this is flying by or what. Wow? We've been doing this for what less than a year and we've already done season two. Huh. Anyway, thanks everybody, Thanks Riley, Thanks Amy. We'll see you next time. Best fans on the planet. Much appreciated. Keep download and keep emailing us for getting a lot of great emails, and stay sick. Uh hey everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and Emailie at Gilmore at I heart radio dot com. Oh you Gilmore fans.

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