Is This Really Happening? (S6 E1 New and Improved Lorelai)

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The fast this episode ever, Episode one, Know and Improved Lorelei one Aline Production's iHeart Radio. I am enjoined by my intrepid crew Amy Sugarman, Tara Sued and about to take maternity leave. Danielle Romo.

Uh, Danielle, I'm three days away from popping hopefully.

How does it feel that this is your last appearance for a few months on the IM all in podcast.

You know, I'm definitely gonna miss you guys, but I'm kind of excited to watch it. On my own and listen to the podcast. You know, like to be on the reverse side and then to get mad at you guys for like you logan to get mad at you guys are liking Lorelei in certain parts or you know whatever. I'm excited for it to be on the on the other side of it for a few months.

There is something enjoyable about watching TV and not having to have a note pad and taking notes, like I kind of get that.

Mm hmm. But we would like and drum roll please and blaring trumpets and I know that's all. Here we go, ready, ladies and gentlemen. You know her, you love her, you wanted her, and we're giving her to you. Okay, here she is, ladies and gentlemen, the inivitable, the inevitable. Susanne is joining the Intrepid Crew. Hello, thank you for having with Susanne. Thanks for joining us.

Do you feel nervous, Susan, I do.

I feel. Yeah, it's a little overwhelming to kind of, you know, join an existing team and you know, try to fit myself in. And you know, Danielle obviously has some big shoes to fill, so I'll do my best.

We'll see how that goes.

Susanne. I am officially passed off the crown.

Make sure you hold it high.

I will try my best to be worthy of it.

Wait, Danielle, in all seriousness, have a great baby.

That little a fun little tidbit.

One.

We're in between like three names right now, so this when I come back, This very much might not be a good tease. But one of the names is a Gomar girl's name Logan.

Is it Logan?

Yeah, Amy, I'm gonna name my kid Logan.

I think you're gonna You're got to name them Lucas.

Wait, it's gonna have to find out that's it main cast.

Oh, good question.

Nothing else, nothing else. I'll tell you guys eventually when I come back.

What Christopher, If I don't choose the name, what the name is that I was between?

Okay, so listen, everybody listening, chime in. Let us know how you feel about the name of let's name Danielle's baby. What do you should Should it be Logan?

Luke?

It could be Luke.

Could I'm going to wager that it's not going to be Taylor.

Could be Jackson.

Became a wager is not going to be Jackson.

Michelle Lauren, you're not giving you, guys, anything else about the ranch that it's not.

What about Dune enough?

Listen, we would be remiss if we didn't ask you if you could please carve out some time right now to do your final pre baby synopsisizations God, what.

A good way to send me out. But after this, Suzanne, this is all you. Okay, Okay, guys. This is season six, Episode one, New and Improved Lorelei.

Air date September thirteenth, two thousand and five. Luke says yes to Lorelai's marriage proposal and buys a ring from Kirk. Rory goes to court for stealing the boat and is disappointed when Lorelai doesn't show up. Emily can't wait to start redecorating the poolhouse for Rory and goes to Lareles to pick up the rest of Rory's belongings, and Paris freaks out when she finds out that Rory's not going back to Yil.

And that's going to do it. Ladies and gentlemen. Miss Danielle Romo, Missus.

Danielle Romo, She's leaving this. She's leaving the zoom by Danielle Love you, guys.

I'll text you guys when I'm watching these episodes, yes, and comment on all the Instagram posts and everything.

So it will be.

The dow date is three days from now.

Yep, September twenty seventh.

All right, all the best and uh we look forward to seeing me.

Can't wait to meet Logan.

We can't make to meet little Luke, Little Luke, my god. All right, much love, all the best, Love.

You guys, peace out, Love you guys.

She's really left the zoom.

She's just it's like it's like gone. It's a it's like a like a sucking sound. It's a vacuum. It's like how we how are we going to fill this? And we have Okay, Susanne, you're on the hot seat. You ready. You are going to also do the synopsisisations right now. We want to compare and contrast. We will see what kind of game you got?

Okay, sorry to reread the synopsis.

You got it? Yes, all right, okay, see how you handle it?

Okay, No, I have not rehearsed this, but here I go. So we have season six, episode one, New and Improved Lorelei, which aired on September thirteenth, two thousand and five. And I need to put on my reading glasses. Apparently all right.

Luke says, a great start. So then.

Luke says yes to Laurel's marriage proposal and buys a ring from Kirk. Rory goes to Cork for stealing the boat and is disappointed when Loreli doesn't show up. Emily can't start, can't wait to start redecorating the poolhouse for Rory and goes to Laurels to pick up the rest of Rory's belongings, and Paris freaks out when she finds out that Rory is not going back to Yale.

You fit in perfectly already at all that I got at all with a slight perfection. We love it. That's okay.

I did have a little stumble there, but next time a little finger snapping.

That's pretty cool stuff. That's pretty smooth, pretty cool man.

Nice Scott, Yes, right out the gate. Yes, how did you feel about Season six, Episode one?

Well? I always had an issue with her propose to me, but they really did get into it and they addressed it. I you know, I thought about this and I surmised that this is probably how it happened between Amy Sherman and Dan Palladino. I bet you she just blurted it out because they I think they like to write a lot about their own lives and they put it into the character. So I think it's probably how it happened, and so that's how they could best write it, you know what I'm saying.

Yeah, I actually quite like it. It's very loreli esque.

And she said I don't like it. I'm never gonna like it. I'm just saying I understand where it came. I think I understand where it came from. Could be wrong, but I think that's how it went down.

But it opens up for so much good comedy too, because everybody giving you all those subtle jabs, uh huh. If it was the reverse, we wouldn't be able to enjoy all that.

Why can't I be the butt of the joke? You know? Why not? Sure? I agree? Yeah, there you go.

It's pretty great. So you know, I wasn't mad at it. I kind of liked it. It was totally it was surprising.

Did you find it empowering?

M It's not about that. To me. It wasn't about that whole like masculine feminine thing. To me, it was like she was super sad, she felt like her relationship with Rory was falling apart. She's at her lowest with her parents and she comes in. And the reason she did it was because she sees you being this hero and if you want to say masculine hero, fine, you were like, we're gonna do this, We're gonna do this, We're gonna fix this, we're gonna solve this. And so

Don't.

I don't think she had it planned either.

But what bothered me is when she's like, I just want to be happy right now, and I'm like, okay, well give it, like like what happens if like would she have asked Luke tomorrow? You know, I think that line bothered me, where she said I want to be happy right now.

Yeah, I agree with that. I felt like it was it was very abrupt. It was almost kind of like a knee jerk reaction. It wasn't like, oh, I really love Luke and I want to spend the rest of my life with him. It was like, I just need something to distract me from the chaos of Rory and it just felt a little bit like a knee jerk reaction to me.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what bugged me about it so much because I just you think of what you could have done with those scenes, Luke planning for it, buying the ring. You know, it's like everybody was coming at him with he wasn't driving his own narrative. He's not He's not the captain of his own ship.

She's always going to be the captain. Why because it's called the Gilmore Girl.

No, No, that's exactly why. Exactly why?

Yeah, Like it's.

I wonder how the fans felt. You know, let's take a poll of audience again. Here's another chime in on this. You know, we want to know how you feel about it. Did you feel like it was a missed opportunity to really do some incredibly romantic things in a traditional way or do you like the modern way? As Miss Patty stated.

I know that the modern thing is sort of becomes a subtext of the episode a little bit. To me, it was just very lare lie ish, and that's what I love about it. So I agree with Tar and Suzanne in that I see why that line bothered them.

But for me, she.

Does everything like that, so it tracked and I love her. So for me, it was like, yeah, that's how you do it, girl, Do it like go lore Lie, because I relate to her and I want to sort of live my life in that same manner. So I was like, I'm in cool.

Yeah, like, yeah, don't give me take in to take the ball away from him when he's got a layup, you know, and nobody's garden him is I don't know.

Except that he was also at his moment where he had just said I don't want the Twickham house. He had done the kid things, so he was sort of freaking out and kind of backpedaling. So for me, it's also like she just did it. She's saying to him, yeah, I am all in two right, because he had that doubt in his mind because he thought, oh, she's going to sell.

The end and she's gonna, you know, move on, and maybe she doesn't want to be with me, and so he may not have been at a place that he would have made that taken that step at that point.

You know, it would have been great if he'd have just said, you know what, let me do it.

Correct. But they did that on Friends? Oh they did did that just a few years earlier, Am I right?

Or maybe somebody me if he just said, give me a twenty four hour window, let me do this the way I want to do it.

So keep me honest. But when did Monica.

Jesus the guys for for us?

Oh yeah, somebody look up, because what happens on Friends is Monica. There's this whole sort of like misunderstanding. So it was May eighteenth, two thousand, so there's no way Amy and Dan are going to copy what Friends did. So what Friends did is Monica proposes to Chandler and she kind of flubs it, and then she says there's a reason girls don't do this, and then they switch in that scene and Chandler does it, and I just think they're not going to repeat that exactly. I think they it's close.

It was a season finale too, so it would have been like, really just copying Friends, and.

It would have been weird if she did it. And then Luke was the one that basically says, well, wait, you didn't do that, right, let's do it let me like, you just would have been weird, like he was kind of rejecting her proposal because she didn't do it the right way.

So wait, Scott, let me ask you this. You're You're Luke, right, You're Luke, and you know how much you love Laura Lai and how much you've always loved her and how finally your dreams are coming true with her. You're telling me that Luke wasn't stoked that she just said, I want to spend the rest of my life with you and marry you. He's thrilled.

Now, I'm not saying, you know, everything has to be super traditional, but for the love of you know what, for the love of Pete, for the love of John, for the love of Luke. Well, the guy proposed to the woman to give him a wedding. They couldn't even give these two a wedding they.

Gave Getting ahead of that, you're getting a hit.

The point is is how they see the character, you know, and to me playing the character, it's a little bit challenging, you know, to not be able to propose because those are big moments, and but I wanted to act it. I wanted to be in those scenes and act it, don't you get it. I didn't get to act it, and then I didn't get to have the wedding, and we didn't get to act any of that stuff. And it was just like a you know, we elope and it was like kind of all about her, and which

It is her show, and I get that part of it.

But I think it's a better show. I think it's a better show if I propose and we get a big wedding. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

You the wedding.

Call me sexist? Do you want to call me traditional? Fine, I'll take it. But that's just how I feel about it.

Well, also, we because you don't exactly know what's coming, so so hang tight. But also it tracks with Lorelai, Like this move was a very Lorelai move. Also, we're making a TV show, so I love the cliffhanger of it. It was great.

Listen, you can like it all you want. I will never like it. You can't talk me into liking it. Okay, we care. That's really free to disagree. Okay, let's let's see how fans chime in. Okay, let's see what they say. Some are going to agree with you, some are going to agree Ruth me. Let's let's see, let's see what happened.

The only criticism I have of the scene, and I do have a little bit, and I see what you guys think. So now move into season one, because we kind of were backpedaling a little bit on the end of season five. But the only part that I think got awkward is actually the moment after the proposal when they're all awkward. He says yes, and then she's like, oh, we.

Should do so they go try to get alcohol.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it was the whole awkward was awkward. You know, Luke always has beer up in his apartment, so why are they running around trying to find something to toast with? That? That was odd, although I did have to laugh at the when they were outside the diner and Taylor tells Laura like, if you think you have to be drunk to be with Luke? That did crack me up. But in general, it was a little odd that they were kind of just stumbling around,

I mean that's also had to google what Zema is.

I actually did not know.

I was like, what is that?

Okay, so everybody can weigh in on their thoughts on that scene. We now go to the new opening credits, which again keep me honest, but Sean Gun's in there and Zukrie. I can't remember if Sean was in there before, but Zukrie's definitely been added to the opening credits.

Yeah, he's no longer this. I think he was like featuring your special guest.

Yeah, so that was sort of something thing mm hmm. All right, So the next scene, you guys are in bed and it is a little bit of a I'm interested to hear your thoughts because this is where you finally reveal the house. She doesn't even know that you had bought the house and canceled the house. She's sort of asleep and you are opening up to her about that. You know, she kind of wakes up. You bought a house.

I thought the way he was acting was out of character. I didn't understand it when I was watching it. I kept saying, why is Luke acting that way? That's not Luke? Who is that that's that was That's my whole commentary on that scene.

What do you think he what do you would have?

I didn't understand it. I did not understand uh why he was behaving in that way.

See, I got the vibe. Okay, so they're in bed. Obviously they're like happy. She's falling asleep. He even says, is this really happening? So I think he's happy. I think he's ecstatic that the love of his life they're engaged. But then he sort of is, uh, what's the word conflicted? So you guys are in bed, and this is where you finally open up to her right that you bought the house, and she sort of says, just include me in these big decisions. I don't even think she was

Yep.

Yeah. I thought it was refreshing to finally see Luke open up about what he was feeling, because Luke is so stoic and he's hard to read. And the first time I watched it, I remember being like really excited, like, oh my gosh, we're finally getting to see like the soft Luke that's underneath the hard shell and So I liked that scene because it was a side of Luke that she had not seen in the previous five seasons.

Yeah, I mean I did too. I also like that we don't have this like thing she doesn't know now she knows about the house and they've addressed the kid thing, and she flat out says like, yeah, kids would be good. So I was sort of like, Okay, we're good. We're doing good here.

I think she's warming up the idea of like, like you know, like when when she goes and gets the pamphlet or whatever from the house and they're like, oh, mentioned of kids again. Like it's kind of like she's starting to think about it a little bit more. I mean it may not be like exactly what she wants, but she's thinking about it.

Can I also ask you something, Scott that's probably gonna irritate you, but I want to ask it.

Go ahead, take a deep breath.

I am a huge I'm gonna say this and be appropriate to me. Luke is so handsome, right, Why did they do that to your hair?

I know it did?

It look just so strange, so dumb.

It's like so it looks like so I don't know what was that like eighties hair.

It was so dumb.

I'm like, seventies hair, eighties hair. It was like also floppy, and they looked like so much of it and so long and shining. It was like a different person. It was not Luke and his disco shirt and his disco and his floppy hair. I just want to spear. It looked like one.

That's Scott, You're right nice Fever. I'm like, why are they doing this like Luke? It's so handsome, Like Luke's a total babe. Yell, why are they giving doing that? It's so dumb. So I will throw the biggest flag on the play ever there. I'm like, heye, hair person, what in the heck let this guy look look like it was so.

It looked like an older guy trying to look like he was twenty. He was like, so.

Weird, I'm so unnecessary, Like you looked great. Why do you I don't get that.

It was very Saturday night, Fever, wasn't. It was like, don't touch my hair. My hair. Daddy hit my hair, and you hit it.

So his seventies begs. It did make me think that in bed you were just going to start doing this.

You know what I would have preferred it. I would have preferred it to the way he was acting in bed I have broken out.

And I think one of the reasons you hate these scenes ist that hair. Sorry, I just had to say, I don't want to kick the man while he's down, but.

Hairy, it doesn't matter. There's nothing left to kick that. That part is gone.

Let's say we can turn it around. So anyway, So then we go to the diner and you're so happy, you are so happy, you're boring coffe, basically dancing around, and then here comes Miss Patty and Babbett and they know, they know, I know you don't like it because they know everything. Yeah, yeah, someone strikes.

You know, those two had the appropriate reaction. By the way, how glorious is it when those two come on the screen. How great are they at acting? How great are these two together?

This was a great Sally Struthers episode. I don't want to jump ahead, but when she's running.

And do you know, when I was watching the episode last night, I thought to myself, I'm standing there acting with Sally Struthers. Yeah, yeah, from Gloria, from All in the Family. And I grew up watching that show, and I grew up watching her. This is one of the great actresses in our business.

Right, let me just say that.

And I'm sitting there doing comedy scenes with her. It was thrilling to watch. That was the thrilling part for me.

I actually agree. I had a moment, I think, because this really let Bibet have some great moments. I had the same thing last night where I was like, you know what, Sally Struthers rocks like. She's awesome.

She's the best actress alive. Yeah, there's not a better comedy actress than her. There is. She is it. She's a gem. She should have her own show. It's just unbelievable.

I wonder did she think of holding the boobs while she's running or did they direct that, because to me, it felt like she thought it.

I feel like it's a her thing.

It's a her thing to me.

God, and again here I I'm going to harp on what you know. Imagine Liz Torres and Sally Struthers in their own comedy series.

Oh, I mean that's Laverne and Shirley to.

They did Laverne, and surely they did The Golden Girls. They did all kinds of things. Yeah, tell me because of their age or whatever that it couldn't be done. They've done it before one hundred times.

It totally could have. Yeah, I would have watched that spin off. That would have been awesome.

I would have watched that too. I would have watched that right after the uh Huntsburger's spin off.

I actually would have preferred that. I love me some lot.

What about the Jets spinoff?

Sure, I think it's kind of a bummer that the Jet spin off didn't work, But I get it.

I get it.

Yeah, Look, Scott, I think you're bothered because you're Luke, right, and the whole episode is basically people giving you grief for not proposing, So there's no way that's not going to sink into you.

As well they should.

Well, I mean to me, it's just hilarious, like and I actually think Luke was fine with it until everyone started making it such a thing, and that's why he'd be came less fine with it.

Well, he lives in a world of lowered expectations, especially when it comes to Laurelai, and uh, you know, at this point it's just just take what he can get, you know, m.

That is true.

Well, he'll say yes anything at this point, you know you've.

Got like the love of your life.

But yeah, but he's acting a little desperate. Yeah, I mean it.

No, he's not. He's just like, No, I don't think it's desperate at all. I think it's like, this is the course of the relationship. You obviously were thinking about it too, because you bought the Twickham house. You were ready to take the next step. You didn't think she was. So she came and said, I am ready marry me. And then she goes by the Twickham House and talks to the the realtor, and you can see.

In her eyes like he should have just bought the damn house. Proposed to were taking her over the threshold.

I don't disagree. That would have been cool, and.

They could make babies and that's it. You know, if you can't get comedy out of that, I can't help you. I'm sorry. We tell a story, right, you know what I mean, tell it right, respect the character, respected characters.

I mean, look, your version isn't wrong, but I don't think their versions wrong either. It's just different versions and different perspectives and different ideas. Because as a Lorel I like I love her, I like how this is going. I even like where it.

Goes and where does it go?

I'm not telling you episodes, yeah, meaning this season anyway.

Well, I'm reacting, sy see, I don't have the benefit of foresight, you do, correct, So I'm reacting in real time. Yep uh. And I would have to say I'm a little more invested in this that most people. Definitely forgive my my edgy responses, but I you know, I'm It took a lot of effort and a lot of painstaking effort to create this character, and I'm very proud of it, and in certain moments, I'm not And I'm just going to state that openly, and if it riles the the fans,

And I think you because you're you are the character, right, It's it's one and the same. These people poking you was funny until it was the straw that broke the camel's back. So I think you're or Look, I don't want to psycho analyze a little triggered by the fact that all ba Bett, you know, uh Kirk, all these people are giving you even a little maybe others are giving you a little grief for not proposing within this episode, and.

They should because that's the only when you when you do this to the characters and there's only one path that that can go, then the other characters have to respond, and that's how they respond. That's how anybody respond because they're anticipating the fans are going to respond in this way. I think you're right.

I think I think you make a great point there. There is obviously they knew the fans would have feelings, and that's why they write this in. I mean, it's a major storyline, people giving Luke grief for not being the one to propose. So you're not wrong.

If if, if, if we ever get those two on the show, then we can ask them point blank, what was the thought process behind us? Was this your real life experience? You know, and you wanted to write it, You thought you could write it really well. Because you lived it, you know what you know.

So what do you think? What do you all think about Lorelai going by the Twickham house and sort of looking at it longingly and talking to the agent.

I think I think she's thinking about it, Like you know, at this point in her life, Rory's not there. I mean, whether they're in a fight or not. Rory doesn't live at that house anymore. She is alone, and I think that she's thinking about her future with Luke and maybe a new house, in a new home is the start of a new life. So I think I think she really took that into perspective.

Yeah, she's thinking about all the possibilities that she hadn't really considered before.

Yeah, it's it's pretty major that scene. Even though it's small, I think there's more, you know, it's important. So then Richard calls to talk about Charlie Davenport, the attorney, and then we kind of get into the Rory storyline. So I do want to talk about that because I have a lot of questions for you guys about that. Yeah, so Rory's in the beach house or I'm sorry, the

It's definitely I thought the bed the bed stuff was funny and then made pulling the pillow out from under her head. I mean, it was all very well choreographed and well acted. And I think Alexis again is just she's so smooth and so good and so effortless in her comedy that it's always relaxing to watch her. You can relax and laugh. Yeah, she's never sawing the air too much with her hand. Thus, as Hamlet instructs the

Yeah, I agree. I don't have any critique of the performance. I have the storyline. I have a critique that we'll get to of. We'll get to it. But I have a controversial question for Suzanne. Oh god, Suzanne, have you seen on Hiktok how people talk about Rory's voice from season one versus the voice in the later seasons.

What is the deal with that?

So?

Okay, I'm not on TikTok, but I've seen it mentioned in the past, like in Facebook groups and stuff, And I don't know she does. Her voice does seem to change, and I've also noticed that it changes in different situations too, like she speaks to her grandparents in a different tone than she Morali and I don't know if that was a conscious choice or not, but you definitely there are changes in her voice over over time.

I did not know that. I need to look this up.

Yeah, you definitely need to look up Rory's voice in season because it's significantly deeper and what I'm assuming is deeper because and this is just me throwing an idea out and you guys, Suzanne, Tara Scott, you all can

Yeah, the opposite of you would normally think it would be the opposite, right, Like when you're younger, your voice is higher, and so you would think it would have gotten deeper as she got older. But I don't know the explanation. So your theory.

Makes as much sense as I go with the Elizabeth Holmes theory. You know that that bad blood lady, so she has her normal voice right, but then too convey sort of authority when she was in the business, she lowered her voice. So to me, maybe Alexis made the choice like, oh I really want to sound right.

I don't know.

I'm just this is completely made up, alleged guessing here. But then she became so comfortable in the character that she's able to be a little bit more her own self and not act so much.

I could see that that makes sense.

Yeah, okay, So I wanted to talk about something that happened that first morning in the poolhouse. Did you guys notice how thrilled Emily was to have Rory there? I thought it was interesting because the whole thing was such a crisis, you know, Rory's dropping out of college and what are we going to do? And Emily's like this, yeah, And Emily's like, oh, none of that happened. This is great. I've got her right where I want her. I'm going to give her all these pastries and make coffee and

It's so funny because I saw it the complete opposite way.

I thought, yeah, and it's.

So funny because everyone has different perspectives. But I saw it as you thought, you were going to come here and this is how you're going to be treated with me bringing you breakfast and all this. But I think it was like the calm before the storm, like this is not what you're getting if you're moving in here.

Oh. I did not see it that way.

Yeah, I because you know, as the episode went on, and I don't mean to jump ahead, but just to make this one point, I think that, you know, Richard and Emily are like, we're going to fix this. We're going to get her back to Yale, because at the end of the day, they want her to go to Yale. It's not like they want her to live this life. So I thought of it as let's butter up a little bit, make she's about to go to court, let's get that over with, and then she has to work.

Suzanne, I'm with Suzanne. I think Emily is so happy about this. She's got her precious grandchild living there, she's redecorating, she's the eight thirty thing is because in what world does anyone sleep past eight thirty? So that to me is just a grandma being a grandma. Yeah, she's got the breakfast spread, the decorating, the swatches on the chairs, the furniture's out in the blink of an eye, everything's wonderful. I think it's later in the episode that you realize, oh,

You know. I didn't believe that scene. I didn't believe the three hundred hours commarities.

So really, yeah, you thought the judge wouldn't do that.

No, I don't think in the and maybe it's happened in the real world, but I didn't buy it.

I agree with you.

The only reason why I did is because she's not like, she's over eighteen, she's not a minor.

That's the only reason why.

I don't even think they would have wasted the court's time with that. I'm not a lawyer. To me, wouldn't have all been settled. We're not actually going to court for that and wasting some judge's time. Like true, that was to me like the lawyers would have hammered it out, Like I mean, I guess it is a felon's felony, so maybe, but I don't know.

I was gonna say, it's like if you stole a car. Again, I don't know how this stuff works, but like you stole a car, would you go and stand in front of a lawyer for that?

In front of a judge?

You mean, sorry, in front maybe yeah, in front of a judge. So like with a.

Boat, like that's what I was thinking. I think it would be the same as like a car.

No, listen, a car is different because that's somebody's primary mode of transportation. You're preventing that person from earning a living your disrupting maybe not getting a person to dialysis, and maybe that's costing somebody's life if you steal somebody's car. But but if you're stealing a boat, a yacht, hang on,

I think it's just felony is a certain amount of money, and that's that.

Yeah, I think, I think. I think your point is, you know, you know I I I guess this judge and they didn't make this clear, was seeing a lot of rich kids getting off with these lack sentences, and she was tired of it. You know, when she was one, other kids that were doing the same kind of things were going to jail or they getting three hundred hours, and she was just sick of it.

I think that's probably what it was.

But three hundred hours for Rory. I could see three hundred hours for Logan because it's second offense, right, Well, sure, but Rory first offense. Nice kid, like, judge, come on, she she you know, she's from a good family, but she didn't grow up with money.

And that's very ghost Scott. Why didn't she she's.

Like privileged, she's not privileged. Yeah, And that's a bad lawyer right there. Not pointing that out to a prosecutor in the prosecutor not or or or or or the judge would need would surely need to know that the.

Documents she's not privileged, right, I agree. I think you're right, Scott. I think the judge. Look, I'm not a lawyer, but a judge can overrule any kind of flea bargain, right, Like, whatever the terms they came to, the judge can overrule it, which the judge did in this case. Right, But she I was wondering why Roy didn't give a speech like your honor, like, I'm going to respect you and take whatever punishment you give me, but I didn't grow up privileged,

Well, that's where I was gonna say. That is a way if you say that to a judge, someone doesn't know you. I'm not privileged, but my grandparents paid for my schooling and Yale. I think to the average person that is privilege. And I think that her fighting that wouldn't actually to judge, I don't think that would matter. And also, like the lawyer said that, oh, I did

This is oz goa is is going.

To get I want to know what Logan's punishment was and if his lawyer was better. Yeah, I should have actually gone with that lawyer.

I just didn't believe. There were too many holes in this scene. I just didn't believe it. I don't believe that it could happen in real life. I just didn't believe the way they with all of the oversights and what the judge didn't know, and it just it just didn't ring truth to me.

And Richard's not going to create a scene like that in a courtroom. That was a little bit like he's not seeing that.

It's not like she got you know, a year in prison. You know she's going to have to go into the Who's galfriy?

Not that much?

It's a lot, Are you kidding me? That's an hour a day for almost a year.

Yeah, but you just two hours of day for half a year. If you did it every Saturday and Sunday.

It would take it would take you a year.

No, thirty seven days, so.

Thirty seven weekends.

You're giving up six months. She's stolen yacht like she should have to do.

I'm right here, right here, there's boats right outside my window. I'm going to steal a yacht this weekend. See what is a hurricane come and be a perfect opportunity to I want to see in the provinces what the heck's going on with the law?

You back to the US.

To me, if you stole a yacht and you have to give up six months of weekends to do your community service, that sounds reasonable.

But she wasn't stealing to transport. They weren't. They weren't transporting illegal drugs. They weren't stealing a yacht. They didn't try to resell it, they didn't wreck it. They it was just a prakic was just a thing, a momentary lapse in judgment for an emotional couple, young couple.

But if it was your yacht, wouldn't you want the perpetrator to have some punishment.

Well, I'd sit down and maybe I want to get to know him a little bit and talk to him see who the heck they were.

I also think that an.

Explanation if I if I'm come face to face with Rory in her story, I'm like, you know what, I'm not gonna I'm not going to prosecute this.

The book at her because the judge is sick of privilege, right and people thinking they can come in there with their fancy lawyers and blah blah blah. But I also think what they take into account is like she could have hurt somebody. She's stealing a yacht. It's a felony. She could have taken the yacht and hit some gut an act. Yes, you stole a yacht. It's a freaking felony.

Don't didn't steal a yacht. Logan stole the yacht. She I'm not an attorney. I could have gotten her off. She was. She was. She was an unwilling accomplice.

She was the creature. It was her idea.

She was not an accomplice.

He was the accomplice. She started at her.

A good lawyer changes the story. You don't admit to it, she said. Let's get come on guys as well, what a bad lawyer?

Well, yeah, I don't think he did a great job. She should have come in there without the grandparents, not acting like she was made of money. But I digress.

Let's I didn't even know there was a law against stealing a yacht. It's just a yacht. I mean you steal a sailboat, or a dinghy or a fishing boat. Yeah, there should be a law against that, but a yacht. People should be able to use anybody's yacht anytime they want. That's how I feel I could kind oflect the office in certain places. On that platform, we switched.

We switched gears to Kirk has literally a suitcase full of diamond rings. That made me laugh when he was talking about old women need companionship.

That was a good bit. That was definitely that was a really good bit that was That was one of the better Kirk bits. You know. It was pretty great and also gave gave Luke one of his funniest lines when he when he when he came back with the you know house, What was the line.

You're creepy. Friendships with really old women might do the trick. That is my favorite line of.

The whole episode was.

You know, I can't I'm considering proposing to Lulu, like I don't want her to know, Well, you're creepy. Friendships with really old women might do the trick. That whole scene was.

It was really good.

I might venture to say that whole thing was flawless because it's like, suddenly Kirk's got another job. But the whole thing, I.

Think that's that's Luke at his best, when he's listening to all this craziness and reacting to it. I agree, you know, that's that's Luke at its best. I think that's funny. Anyway, Sorry Ty, what said?

Oh no, I was gonna say, it's kind of funny.

How like when Luke's doing something, Kirk kind of mirrors it, Like suddenly Kirk went in the house and now suddenly he wants to marry Lulu.

It's it's funny.

Oh my god, that's such a good call out. I didn't think about that before.

And what a heartless bastard wranning the ring back because he wants to give it to Lulu. Sorry.

Pal.

Also, I did I did love the Please Luke, please please please? Did you get it call back from the first episode?

You said that? Who said that?

Kirk Kirk said it?

What was the call back.

To the first episode of the PILs the pilot? It's lorealized first line of the entire series?

Please please please?

Really gosh, that's a good one, good good catch.

Yeah. So then we see Logan and Rory on the date Drink Dinner movie and She's like, huh, this doesn't feel right, and then we get the surprise you're a felon party thoughts?

You know, I what was going on in the background to the right when they were sitting at the bar where there were these three guys that were just like.

Extras, were a little bit too noticeable.

It was a little because I kept looking at him like, hey, what are they doing at that party? And b it looks like three This looked like three gang bangers, like got into the party and put on their felon suit. Looked like three real felons. Actually, so maybe do you think the rich kids brought in three real felons to give it like some some reality.

The backgrounds were a bit distracted, distracting.

No Amy, I agree, because I noticed that. I was like, this doesn't work well.

I couldn't.

I couldn't focus on Rory and like it. And that's all from Wednesday with one Peanut.

You know. I like that.

I like that peanuts. She was the one that clearly doesn't remember.

We didn't mind the scene. I liked the scene. I liked everybody in the scene. But it was just like my attention get kept getting pulled to the thud background. I'm like, what are these guys doing. The one guy's jumping and like swinging his arms in the air all the time and trying to hit something, and like, if I'm directing this episode, I'm like, guys, phone it down, phone it down. And you know, I.

Think it was just a filler scene.

No.

No, I thought it was a good scene.

No, I like the scene.

I think the I think the conversation was good. I mean like the location.

Like see, I liked it because we get the juxtaposition. So I have a couple of questions on this one. Is we get the juxtaposition of like her committing this crime, and it very much tracks with Logan that instead she's got a surprise party. You're a felon and it's a big old party at school.

So it's like that, I mean, to me, that feels like she was totally accepted. She's being totally accepted. She's got a good group of friends and she's having a great life. And you know, I just had a birthday on set here and they brought me a cake. And the night before it was a big dinner and they brought me a cake, and you really feel loved and accepted, and it's just kind of a wonderful feeling, right, Yeah, that everybody's sort of you know, take made the effort.

Yeah, she's got good.

And they got she's got some good friends. I mean, like Logan, say what you want. You organized this. He got every you know, he probably paid for all the costumes and let's make Rory feel special. And he did. She felt special and loved and accepted, and she went in and danced and started, you know, dancing, and it was like, I like seeing Rory like that. You know, she's happy.

She's totally happy. Susanne, you go, because I have a weird flag on this.

I have a flag on this too. I didn't. I mean, I do see your point, Scott, that she's like accepted by this crowd, But I thought the whole idea of the party was just really crass and this scene we kind of went out of order because this scene came before the courtroom scene, and so I think this was kind of just pointing to the whole thing about what privileged, spoiled,

It's very logany.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. The whole thing bugged me.

Yeah.

I think twan years ago, I think twenty years ago, people didn't hate the rich as much as they hate the rich now. Well, I just think it's like it's a different well, everybody's looking through a different lens now where where you know, not to get into politics, but the landscape now, the atmosphere now is just so touchy and it's and you know, the rich are being vilified to a degree that we've really I don't know if

No, no, no, fair note. But here's my actual question. So, these kids are all at Yale, right, so I went to UC Berkeley. It's fairly prestigious college. Right, Like, it's do you think sure really good school. Here's my point, Yes, I went to Berkeley. Let's compare it to ye. Dropping out of school was not cool. It would not have been something considered cool. It would have not been something that you bragged about. Frankly, yes, maybe you could take a semester off to go abroad, or you take a

Well, and I think that's why paris Is role in this episode is so important because she is that like what are you doing?

Are you being stupid?

And then right, I think Logan like because he's like, you like school, but he's also trying to like please.

Her, right exactly right, Tara, So he's.

Kind of playing devil's advocate, like, you know, I know you aren't going to school, but you're also my girlfriend, but you're also making super decision when like then you can have Paris come in and doesn't he say, like correct me if I'm wrong now I'm mixing it up.

But like he says, I give it one month. There she brags about it. He says, I give you one month, you'll be back, and she's like no.

Like.

I was like, what would it?

Wouldn't one month be summer?

Like remember how in the last episode I said, you know, Amy, you said give her a couple of days to get over it, and I said give her the summer, isn't it Basically what Logan's saying, like just take a summer off, like go on vacation whatever, and then come.

Back we can we talk about the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room of course. Okay, we have a situation where the Huntsburgers have pretty much abused Rory in their own home at a dinner. And now we have another situation number two, incident number two, where Mitchen Huntsberger has completely crushed the ego, hopes and dreams of Rory. So that's that's blow number two, knockout blow number two. And this has yet to be addressed in any way, shape or form by Richard or Emily. Where where are

Keep watching, Okay, all right, we just haven't had that moment yet.

Yeah, right, okay, So but it's it's like, boy, is it taking a long time. And if that's my daughter and somebody crushed her in that way, oh my, I don't care how powerful a person, I'd be on their doorstep or at least be on the phone immediately, like how dare you talk to my dirt that way? And you get and get your daughter and you said you will call my daughter and you will apologize and you will take back everything you said to her. Because we

I actually think the punch she got at the Huntsburger's house was worse than Mitchem telling her she wasn't she didn't have she wasn't cut out for journalism. I could have ignored that. I think what happened to her at the Huntsburgers.

Was very awful.

I think it added to it, though, Amy I think I think if that dinner didn't happen, this could have been a different situation. I think the dinner following the letdown was just like a recipe for a disaster.

M No wonder she soul yacht good lawyer would have pointed this out. She had a bad dinner at the Huntsburgers and then she got the knockout punch from Mitcham. It's like, you know, but he's Mitcham's. It wasn't but he but this lawyer had no affiliation with the Huntsburgers, right, It was just Richard's guy.

Right.

So in reverse, we're backing up a little bit. But I think Tar brought it up, and it's super important to talk about the scene with Paris coming over to the house with LAURAAI and Luke. First of all, I love the scene because she's so epic and calls Logan and Christopher Atkins want to be.

I mean the scene with Laura l I and uh John Travolta, Yes.

You're all. I did want to bring up the wing chair. You're sitting in that wing chair, which we've sort of seen before, but I don't know that we've ever seen it so directly with your feet on the automan and the awkward giant Kleenex box Like I was just like, relieve it that like leopard giant clean xbox and incomes Paris and I love the whole thing, like who were you? Which I thought they'd met, but.

I guess they did it just not like the graduation, right.

And Chilton, Yeah, she there was that episode where she came to stars Hollow and they were in the diner and she thought was running a prostitution ring or something.

I can't remember when she was when she was barefoot in the street.

Now, there was a different episode than that, I can't remember which one it was, but she wanted to do a story about small town life and she was really suspicious of everybody.

And right, yeah, so she knows him, so whatever. That was a little weird, but.

But she probably didn't recognize and dressed as.

It's so true, so true. So they have that scene Lorlai gives her the number, the whole thing. But but the point is Paris is right, She's like, yeah, I is she quitting school? You need to do something about this, and then Luke so then Paris leaves and Luke kind of joins in and says like, yeah, what are we going to do about this? And I kind of agree, like what are we going to do about this?

Do you think.

Actually a question for everyone, do you think laurelized doing the right thing at least, let's say, not big picture for the first week or two of her living there, to just let her be you? Because I do, because I think that if I were Laureli, I would have been like, I'm not showing up to your court date. You went against what we talked about, that you're going to go to school, and you went against behind my

Yeah, I totally agree. I would just let her stew for a little bit and be like, this is what you chose, so let's see how this works out for you.

Yeah, it's also some it's very confusing because I thought it was summer, but now is school back? Because why are they all there for the prison party, Like, it's very confusing the timeline, and then we learn she's about to turn twenty one in October, right, Like, I can't figure out what what month is it.

I think it's still summer because Paris is talking about how they got a duplex but they haven't moved into it yet, so I think it's exactly still like midsummer but getting ready for fall.

But that even acknowledges that it's summer in that scene where she's like, is it true? There's a problem, you know, and Luke kind of diffuses it. I think there's a mention of it being summer. So my thing is, why are they all Yale? All those kids would be home.

Well, I think it's the.

People to all those kids would be in Europe with their families.

Exactly right, that's right. They're not at Yale.

No, they're not even in Connecticut. They're not, they're not, They're in Europe. They're escaping the heat in Europe.

Well, that actually is the one thing is that didn't when she stole the wasn't it like finals? So wouldn't this be like And then our new season starts the same time the last season ended. So wouldn't it be like still at the end of June beginning of July.

That's true.

That's why it makes zero sense that all those kids are at the local Yale bar.

I mean there are sometimes stay around even though.

But not but.

Not everybody.

There are some flags for sure.

Maybe if school had just gotten out, they hadn't all gone to Europe yet.

Yeah. No, we said, if it's August, they're not there, they're not in the United States, or they're in Palm Beach exactly, So okay, but in August.

In a bit of a filler scene that I found epically relatable, the sweaty biker at the Dragonfly end.

Oh god, oh god. Michelle's never been that funny move could you move you'll? Mally would have done the same thing level funny.

I was waiting. I would have waited till the guy left. But Laura I then with the foot on the sweaty magazine and being like Michelle, I would have that too. I'm like, oh God, that sweaty person touching all my beautiful stuff.

Michelle at his best. That was that was best.

Michelle Also, did anyone do what I didn't zoom in to see that it was Julianne Moore on the cover of that w magazine, but not do that? So then what did you guys think of then? LORELEI having Michelle at the house when Emily came to get the stuff and the stuff is just all a mess, and the whole thing.

I thought it was fun.

I thought it was I don't want to talk.

I wouldn't want to talk to to my mom either.

Yeah, I mean it's it's the same thing like we were just talking about with Rory. She's like, Okay, I'm washing my hands of this. You guys major bed now you lie in it. You guys figure it out.

I think the issue is that Emily and Richard are acting like it's just a normal day, when for Laura I, it's not. And I think she's Laura is trying to prove her point, like this isn't normal. Yeah.

Plus, I think Laura I feels she's lost the battle, she's lost her daughter. Yeah, she's empty, nesting to a degree which she'd never experienced before. And why does the top of that, she has to deal with a gloating, gluing Emily.

Yeah, it's tough, and why does Laura I have to clean up her kid's messy crap when the kid is totally I'm doing the wrong things.

Yeah, you this up like you get to live in a guest at a poolhouse and now you need someone to come delivery your clothes with servants, right Like what.

I did think though the scene when she wakes them up in their bed, which we haven't seen, so we're getting to see something we haven't seen Richer's it's so funny and awesome. I was like, this is amazing. The scorpion and the frog story, which I've weirdly heard like numerous times lately. I have no idea why the whole thing was awesome.

I love that scene when Emily said you scared me half to death and Laura I says, oh, follow through is always always.

Been my weak.

I also was trying to figure out what time they went to bed, because then she goes back and she's like talking to Luke.

I'm like, they go to bed at like seven, is it?

Yeah?

Because it's the same time and bet are talking and there's like people walking around the square and everything is Richard Emily are like out.

Cold, and it wouldn't it take your like an hour?

Togo she takes it home to cry in Rory's bedroom for Luke to pick her up for dinner. So if they're going to dinner latest, let's say it's eight, No Emily went to bed at six.

Well they are older, but it was pitch black and like it still takes an hour to get back from Hartford.

I said, it's a little issue there with the timeline.

I was like, it's like she was we were down the street.

Oh god, I mean, I know Scott's not going to agree. But I liked the episode.

I did too. I enjoyed it. I laughed my butt off. I really enjoyed the episode. Don't get me wrong.

It was jam packed too.

Jam it was. It was a really good episode. And I don't think we stated that at the top, and we usually do, right, but I think it was a very strong episode. I really enjoyed it. Sure I had a bone to pick at the beginning, but you know, nobody cares what I think. Do no what it cares. Uh. But as long as people enjoyed it, you know, that's the main thing.

And and I've been nervous about season six, and I actually thought it was off to a good start too.

I think it's a good good. Good premiere episode.

Good premiere episode, good premiere episode.

I'm still very strong.

I know fans will agree because I've seen in the comments, But this is personally for me, where like if I'm binging, I fall off on my normal binge.

Is this season oh really?

Well yeah, a lot of people don't love it.

Yeah, really yeah.

This is usually like all, it's so funny because I always start my binge and then we get here and I start season six and a little bit into it is when my binge usually dies out.

Well, okay, so let's let's look at it from you know, the diehard fans point of view. I mean, they've really stuck by the show, and now we're getting this sort of crescendoy thing happening where all of these storylines are are sort of not working out in the way that anybody had hoped that they would work out. I mean, what's Rory doing living with Richard and Emily and the bloyofs and not going to yell? It's like the wheels are coming off this thing. You got a Luke and

How they there's a part of this season that.

Fans really don't like.

Huh So, wait.

A minute, has has the dynamic changed here? Tara've seen all the episodes, haven't you? Amy? You have to of course many times, and you've seen all the episode.

But you're the only one.

That's right, I have known ranger out here.

That is so true. We don't have the virgin Gilmour anymore.

Well do you do with me?

Right? But you some things will come back to you because you'll remember working with that person. So like when we get to one of the things that people hate, you will have memories of working with this person.

Yeah, but you also haven't but you haven't seen the scenes that you're not really in.

So it's kind of like it's brand new.

I was, you know, I don't hate Amy. I was so so so glad you brought up the John Travolta lookalike contest. You now that you nailed that because I did.

Sorry, it was just weird. It's like, and I say it out of like you're a cute guy. I don't get it separately before we go, and I will say, you're allowed to talk about it. I'm getting kind of pumped for Sullivan's Crossing. I'm not gonna lie. You know, they dropped the trailer. We've now seen the trailer.

Yeah, yeah, man, we're Uh. I'm feisty because I'm working a lot and these are big emotional scenes, so my emotions are right on the surface.

You're pretty major in the trailer.

Like, well, you know, it's it's Sullivant's crossing. That's my campground. Are you Sullivan, I'm Solov Yeah, I'm Sully Sullivan.

Well yeah, because in the trailer it's weird. I think either you come first or the I think it goes Scott Patterson. The girl's name.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's it's Morgan Cohen. She's she's a girl. She's the lead of the show.

Okay, got it.

Then, so I mean, I mean there's there's actually three of us that are but it's really like the show is from her point of view.

Okay, got it?

Yeah, yeah, and then it's like and then it's myself and Chad Michael Murray right.

Getting pumped.

It's your you're gonna like it.

I can't wait.

Yeah, it's nothing like Gilmore Girls. It's it's a really it's a it's a it's a rom drom.

I can't wait.

It's really something.

Yeah, and we all need something to watch because, oh.

You're gonna like this. And I just wanted to get the season two because we got renewed for a second season by the CW with that they hadn't even seen. You know, I don't even they don't even know if anybody's gonna watch a thing, but they kind of know that a lot of people are gonna watch it. You know, it's okay.

So before we get to that, everybody has to give their rating yes on this episode, Season six premiere. I don't think we've blown up enough for amire. What do y'all give it? You go, Las Scott, I give it a nine point four nine point four uh pla uh ladies rings who've sadly passed away that Kirk.

I'll give it nine point two.

Sofazz the ones that she has to pick from here.

I'll give it nine bottles of zeema.

Bring it back to Oh my god, I say, I'm going to give it eight point seven five really lousy lawyers.

That's actually really good.

I'm throwing a big I gotta throw a big flag on the opening scene. I know people love it. I was not enamored of that. I never was, and so that's why the deduction.

Sorry, that's fair, fair, yeah, yeah, before we tell the next episode, is there just football on twenty four hours a day at your house? Because it's we're taping this Thursday.

What day is it?

It's a Thursday? Behind you? It's just football, turn around, turn around.

I didn't notice that I don't want watching football. No, I had I had a little I had a spot of lunch, and I was there was a ballgame on, so I was watching a baseball game.

Well yeah, And it's like, just so people listening, Scott's like a lot later than us. Now you're four hours difference.

Yeah, I'm four hours ahead of you guys. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's like, how's the rest of my day going to go?

It's like I gotta wait till ten thirty for the stock market? Ope, and I go crazy. It's like, you know, like halfway to lunch and I haven't even traded a stock yet.

One's ever in fifty years of life. Paid attention to the when the stock market opened or what was happening on it. I know that's bad to say, but never even occurred to me to check that.

Well, you've got bigger fish to fry. What can I say? You know what? Wait a minute? Favorite lines?

Oh I gave mine earlier. It's the one about the creepy.

Yeah yeah, I'm going to go with the Luke line about the cree Kirk's creepy obsession with.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with the callback. But because I don't think I've really noticed it every time, this time, please please please, from Kirk, what.

About one one one one one.

I'm going to go with the in the scene when Paris goes to Laurelized house and she's talking about are you leaving school?

And she says.

She's the only one that stays in the room until I'm completely done saying something.

That was a good lunch, that was so good.

I laughed, That whole thing was great. This Christopher Atkins want.

To be that's good stuff. Good stuff, Bie, everybody that's going to wrap us up for don improved Loreal I Season six, Bring Me Here, Episode Episode one, Thank You Mine Trepit Crue, Tara Suit, Amy Sugarman. Welcome to the wolf Pack. Here Susanne out of ten for you.

Good job, oh thank you.

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