I am all in. Oh, I am all in with Scott Patterson an I Heeart radio podcast. All right, hey, everybody, he's Scott Patterson animal in podcast part two of Say Goodbye to Daisy Miller. We are we are running running hot in the mouth, as they say, as we haven't gotten very part in the episode, but we have a lot to say about it, a lot better language. Dean's a butt log in this next scene. He's a real poople head stop it. Can I say he's a man and he's confused? No, he was, He is not a man.
He is a little boy himself. Later, but he was mean. He was so mean to Lindsay. He cut them out with a smile. You answered my phone. He's so mad. I wrote jerk, jerk, and he's like, you don't get it, do you? You have no respect? And it's like, Dean, you literally just slept with someone. He's projecting how she should feel about him, you know what I mean, Like what I wrote, he feels terrible, he feels like he wants to get out of that relationship. He feels guilty
as hell, and he should. He feels awful. He's you know, and that's a little bit of hayten On Lindsay, because he's in this situation. He's angry at himself for being in this situation. He's in a marriage he doesn't want to be in and he just did something he shouldn't have done. I have a question for you that. So he's angry at himself and he's angry at her, and he's angry at the world, and that's how it comes out,
you know. You know, in the last episode, we discuss how that opening scene was from Dean's perspective, and we saw at the end of that opening scene that Dean is outside the door and Lorala goes like he's married, and he gets upset and he you know, runs back home. How do you think him coming back home would have been? Like if Loralai said said something like I'm happy for you that it was Dean, Like, how do you think
that would have changed? Because I do feel when Lorelai said that, like, but he's married, because that's when he decided to storm off. Is really what ticked him off. I didn't think about that until you just said it. But part of me is like, I think he's mad that he went he got married, Like I think he's mad. I think so too. Yeah, and let's not forget how much he loved Rory when they were first dating. And yes, man,
he built her a car. He Rory has always been his all and everything, always always, and his heart got shattered. He was devastated when she dumped him, and we all knew this was a bad idea getting married. We all knew it. And now he's got her back. And listen, I'm not advocating for adultery. It's awful, it's terrible, it's painful, but let's not forget story wise how I mean, he's never fallen out of love with her, and he's that's true,
to get past it. And he met somebody else and he attempted to do this and start a new life because he accepted it. But now you know, it got reignited. Let's not let's not cream this guy, you know, for being a human being. You know, he's he got he got weak, he did a dumb thing, a hurtful thing. Um, and there's always redemption, right, I mean, we can't judge
this guy. I agree, he can totally be redeemed. But let's see how what he does next, right, because right now, throughout this episode, I'm more pissed because look, we're gonna break it down. But first I get the scene of Dean being a total ass, right, and he's just awful to Lindsay. Then I get the scene where Rory needs to talk to him, and there they are at Miss Patties and they're trying to have a conversation with suddenly
they're doing it again. Then I get the scene of now she's made him the pot roast or whatever it is, and it's the it's the Warden June Cleaver over there, just all happy and in love, and I'm just like, yeah, what is going on? Dean is a mess. He's in a bad spot. He got himself in a bad Spotty got he got. He fell in love with Rory Gilmore, fell hard, never fell out of love, accepted defeat, he put his best foot forward. He's a sensitive, sweet, considerate,
caring guy. I mean, what an example of a great boyfriend. And then they sort of downgraded, Oh, he's a great first boyfriend. He's not for you, he's not going to Yale, he's not Ivy League, he's not this you know. Yeah, And it's like, you know what, maybe that's exactly what she needed because they she loves him and they have a real chemistry and they I mean they it's like they should be together, if that's how they feel they should be together. Sure, he was a great boyfriend to Rory.
He's an atrocious husband. Atrocious Okay. So so you think present behavior dictates a future behavior you think he's gonna think if you think if he was with Rory and they got married and everything was well, he's a great question. That's a really good question. I don't I think he'd be upset he if he if he managed to marry her, to be worthy enough of a Gilmore to marry I mean without a degree from the Ivy League and acceptable
to Richard and Emily in their DNA. You know, if he if he managed to crawl out of his slime and be accepted, you know, by the Guildmars, you know, he would have stayed true to her his whole life. That I think You're right. Marriages it was they are so good together and he is so But you know what's funny, I think Rory would find herself in dean situation. Yeah, yeah, Danielle, correct, say again, say again, sorry. I think Rory would find herself in Dean situation where she's an atrocious wife to
him because he doesn't fill her cut. Let's not forget why they broke up, you know. I mean, I think she likes the idea of him. I don't think she's still in love with him, you guys, she said it herself. She feels safe around him, and that's what she needs right now, like she needs safety. So she's strong, very solved to a life. I think. So. I don't think we're a few short episodes away from meeting Okay, okay, listen, listen how many times I have to remove my camp Yeah,
I don't. Y'all make really good points in that. I think you're both right. I think you're right, Scott that he would have been an amazing husband to Rory, even even as young, even if they got married young. And I think Danielle's right that Rory wouldn't she would have stuck it out. She wouldn't have stuck it out with she she she didn't with Jess, meaning she didn't stick it out with Dean. When Jess rolled in. Now, she wasn't exactly as doing what Dean's doing, but like no,
she fell for Jess. It was still pretty bad. I mean, like for for high school terms. You know, like they're a little bit older, so it's the stakes are higher. But you know, like she was, she was still like sneaking around with Jess. Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, and I it's just hard for me to suddenly, now that we get to see Lindsay in a better light, you know, now have all the sympathy for It's just like it
just feels too contrived for me. It's like set her up better for me, makes the conflict, make make it harder for those two to get together and allow me to feel you know this, this this trepidation and this anxiety that that Rory and Dean are getting together. It's like I've been feeling this before they hooked up, like I have been feeling somebody for for Lindsay for the last at least four episodes, all right, she wasn't developed, there was much of her, and when she didn't see her,
she was being kind of antagonistic and impatient. She was she was antagonistic Scotts, right, But then even when she was trying, she was like just trying so hard to make the perfect tune of sandwich instead of really like develop the relationship and like her mom was way too involved there, and I feel like Dean didn't help Dean didn't help her. He's like, oh, like Lindsay wants me to work so she can get Like he didn't paint her in the best light either. Yeah, I don't know.
I sniffed through Dean's comments like that means there's something deeper going on behind the scenes at the Lindsay Dean house that ain't so great. No, that's that's how I read it. I said, this, this marriage is terrible. All they do was fight totally what I got out of it. And that's the information I got at the very land scene. Let's not fight. All we do was fight, you know, yeah, because yeah, you're right, you know it's but that's because Dean's a grumpasaurus around her, Like all he does is
grumpy and is like I'm working when he's banging another chick. Okay, So so there's here's here's the question. This Gilmore Girls debuts, you know, four years ago, and this is season five and this day and age with cancel culture, do you think this show gets a different reaction than it got back then. Do you think that this stuff is even written into the script. Do you think that the fan base reacts in the same way. How do you think they react? I think it'd be written the same way. Yeah,
how do you think it'd be received? Though? That's a question. Maybe I'm processing. It's a really good it's a really good question. When did when did we become as a society so judgmental of everybody else's actions. I don't think we've been doing that. It's a tale as old as time. Wasn't everybody all judge on Elizabeth Taylor back in the day when she when her guy was married to Debbie Reynolds. To me, it's all the same. Yeah, everybody's been always
like this, and everybody loves to just have social media. Now, that's what I'm gonna say. It's like you can go on Twitter and tweet like, you know, last week's episode of Gilmore Girls, this happened. I didn't like it. And it's like, I think the broader que right, you're exactly so, I think the broader Questions has social media enough that
we're going a little off the right rank. But what kind of an effect does social media have on the artistic choices of writers and studios and networks About the content they put in their shows. Let me throw that thing to you, just like this. In nineteen ninety three, people were up in arms over Kelly Dylan Brenda on nine two one zero, losing their minds. I'm team Kelly, I'm team Brenda. I mean it was venomous hate. So to me, people just love watching shows and sort of
having their input about these characters. So I would say if it was today, I think I would feel the same way because I look, I like Rory and Dean together. I'm not even mad they're kind of doing it at Miss Patti's although it's not great. I think my feelings today would be exactly how they were twenty years ago. I don't know. I think it's more of a in
today's society. It's more of a conversation because of social media, Like you can have that back and forth with people, when back then you'd call your friend and be like, oh my god, you watched last night's episode. You have the conversation. Hang up doesn't come yet? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I know. That's the one thing is the conversations live on forever. Now you can always go back
and revisit it. There's always people chiming in. Yeah, a month later, you know, well, Jean Jean's character who got you know, I wouldn't say left at the altar, but almost. I mean he was ready to trying to lock her down for life. That was his girl, he wanted to have babies with her, and that he wasn't looking anybody else. And uh, you know, so if you will indulge me to an abrupt conversation, change going back to Luke and let's go back to Kirk's rear end. Yeah, speak, I
so where do you all stand? And I actually I love that Suky did go to Lorelai and tell her that she knew. I don't think she could have held that in and I don't even think that would have been the right thing to do. I love that she says, you're not going to die alone. I love that whole scene too. I think your right, Scott, that Melissa was such an important glue in this episode. I love that she thought they had sex on the table is what
Luke couldn't do. Yeah, I would have gone to my best friend too, So I feel like it was it just made sense. Yeah, I agree, and it also okay, so then we're going to have another parallel speaking of best friends, which will we get too. I am irritated. I will say the only thing irritating me in this episode is really Rory doubling tripling down, being so kind of mad at Laurel over what Rory did. It's like,
can they not make up? Lorelie is trying so hard, let's talk about it, or it's just you you you know, and it's just like that part. I'm a little Yeah, she's being a little a little braddy. I do remember being that age, and like, I mean, I understand like Lorelye and Rory are best friends, but like I remember being that age being like I don't want to talk to your mom about this, like please leave me alone. Also, she it's fair for you, but it seems un Rory
and Laurel. Yeah, I think it's also like it's her. She just finished her freshman year of college. She was living on her own. Now she's back, and maybe she has this like different perspective of like I'm an adult and I can make my own decisions, but Laura la
still try to like mother her in a sense. Yeah, all right, well we'll keep it that but Scott, let's talk about the scene with you on the phone at the diner, and you go back into your stock room and Lorela hides in the closet with the dog, and you have that conversation that's sort of starting to go in a weird direction. And then well, I think Laurel says, we kissed. This is one of favorite scene. It was
a great kiss. You concur like we It took us a second with the get moving in the but we got there and we have this amazing conversation and she doesn't want to forget it. What's what's your question? Just what did you think of that scene? Um? Cute? You know the culmination of dreams, right, it's it's Luke's car times ten times ten. Oh, I mean it was Luke in that scene. I mean seeing Laurela opened to it and vulnerable in that way towards Lucas. You know, that's
four years of coming or eight years a coming. It might be hard for you to see it because you are Luke. But I think, as like a fan, this is where I'm just like Lucas the guy, Like, yeah, because he's so cute, he's so charming, but he's such a good guy. Yeah. I'm probably the least qualified person on the planet to opine on this. It's like because this is where but I didn't watch it as a fan over the last twenty three years and store up all these feelings and towards it or because of it.
I'm myself from this. Ask good other fans, I mean, fans can chime in and tell me if they relate. But I think because I'm very close in age to Loreli, right, Like, I'm just a bit younger, so I really related, going like I want a looke? Where's my looke? Like? And he really is guy. Yeah. And I loved in this scene that they were both so busy right, like, lord, I was busy with Taylor's shoe getting chewed up by
this dog. Luke is dealing with the craziness of the diner, and they both like hide in the little closet and are like giddy, like I don't know how to explain it, but that's like a high school scene, you know, And then they set up a date for tonight, Like what
about tonight? I was just like Luke boss reminds me of those like when I was I don't know, first dating, thirteen fourteen, whatever, you have a crush on a girl, and the big deal was like calling the girl, yeah right hoping, don't answer right hoping, And you know we got those rotary phones, so you're dialing the number and it's ringing, and you talked to her, and yeah, that's kind of what it felt like. I just think one of my things about Luke and I Love is like,
Luke is not pulling some dumb guy crap. He calls her right away. He's like tonight, Like even when he walked her home and they have that sort of romantic magic pull moment, he's like, let's go to the movies. He's not playing games right now, but he's not. He's being pushy without being pushy. He's moving, he's moving the ball forward without being obnoxious about it exactly. He's he's like not being how some guys are. Oh, I better wait three days to call her shop. A lot of
men really need that book. If the Going Girls like creators are really smart, they would have published that book. You know, that's really smart. Like the next time they do something on the lot, it's like exclusive of the book. But they wouldn't want have done that. Then my character would have been ramped up to her to pay me more. Than and okay, we're talking about We're talking about Luke and Lorel, even though we're going out of order a
little bit, but it makes sense. Again, Luke does the right He's always getting it right because even though he gets called out of town because Liz is hurt and she got he's got to go take care of Liz and TJ. Not only does he call her five times and leave all the messages because he's such a good dude, he got a cell phone. A cell phone because he's now in a relationship where somebody needs to be able to reach him. Well, he's he's joined the modern world
where he's he wants to communicate, he wants to communicate. Yes, yes, yes, yes, And I really Luke is a real likable dude and he always has been, but now he's just full a game where you're just like this guy. That's why you make greatest kisses of all time on television. It's not just the kiss. Yeah, I thought I was going No, that's not who the characters were up to the kiss, and then after the kiss, because it wouldn't be a great kiss if he suddenly dumped her the next day.
So I have two questions why does Rory use the payphone? Oh my god, thank you so much for bringing that up, because I literally thought for five seconds she was going to call Jess and because that's what she uses to call Jess. Yeah, but then I thought about it. She didn't want Lindsay to call back because Lindsay's answering his phone. She didn't want him to call back, and I talked too. It's like she doesn't. I mean, I don't remember if there was caller I d back then, but there must
have been from the cell phone. They're probably from the cell phone to cell phone. Yeah, so that was interesting. And did you all notice that Dean is fully wearing his ring, his wedding ring, addies Yes, yep, yep, so bad. It's bad. Then we go to the scene that I quite like with Lane, where I thought the Lane Rory sort of conversation was exactly how two best friends at that age would talk. Lane's a great friend. She's really not coming with judgment. She's coming with like understanding and
wanting to have that conversation and how was it? And you know, Rory says he's married, and she says, I know, you know, she's very empathetic sympathetic all the things. She was like excited with her, but then also was like I need to rationalize this a bit, and like you know, and I love how she had the band practice on hold, like this is a nine one one best friend emergency and they start playing and she gets mad. They really that seemed again, very like how two best friends are. Yeah,
got news for you. That's how you get kicked out of a band right there. You start pulling that BIS and it's like you're gone. They'll replace you. They were irritated by it. Well they should be. I mean, that's band practice time. That's sacred man. And Lane doesn't want her to talk to Loralai, but it's not an option. All I have to say is where the heck is missus Kim, because they needed some laughs at that point. Yeah.
Well we go from that back to the end where Emily just showed up for lunch, which actually I did at I did too, because the whole you left. Well, so I was hoping for a less than frightened reaction because I knew that was coming, and I was praying like, don't do that, Please don't do that. Just look at her, it'll be please don't and then when it came, it came bigger than I dreaded. I mean, it was just a fair criticism. It was it was like you saw her there, I just just look, just look at her,
and that's enough. That's enough. So then we get we sort of get to that outdoor lunch, which I thought was beautiful, like I would love to have a nice chicken salad sandwich there. But and she says the obvious, like, oh thanks, captain, obvious that you're separated. And then what did you think about Lorelie sort of setting up Rory on the going on the Europe trip? Well, I mean, I think, on its face, it's a very good idea. I mean, minus the Dean stuff that wasn't even going on,
it would have still been a great idea. And even if she was with you know, let's say she was with a guy and they were having a great summer. Still a great idea to grow to grandma, to go to Europe. I mean, what what memories for a lifetime. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it's funny because I actually did go to Europe with my grandma after my freshman year of college. Me just me and my grandma, who went to Ireland
and England, and so I was thinking. I was like, she's an adult now she can go without her mom and like still her grandma, you know. So I for me, I didn't think too much of it because I had that experience. Um. But knowing Laurelie, she always wants to do everything with Rory, so I think it was hard for her to like give her that push, even though she knows she has to just for Rory to be independent, like,
if you want to go, you can go. Yeah. I think I think Laurel I's trying to do the right thing, you know, by her own life, and maybe she feels she needs a little distance and her daughter needs to spread her wings, and this is just part of it. It's difficult for her because she's such a she's still a helicopter mom and the Rory's been out of the house for you know, a year. Am I interpreting this correctly? That there was a phone call that we are to
assume is Dean calling Rory's cell phone? And she denies, yeah, well sure, yeah, yeah, we don't know who it is. I do as I agree. She saw Lindsay. So she saw Lindsay in the store telling them how important this dinner is that she's making. And I think that also hit home for Rory, going this guy's not he's not leaving her yet or or ever for as far as
Rory knows, like he's married. Yeah right, paper he is, you know, not in it's hard, no, but not in its hard at the store preparing for this very important dinner. So what do you think, Scott about the fact that Lindsay obviously worked all day on that dinner, that Dean's there and eats it and he it's delicious, and she's so happy and he's smiling and happy and kind of her.
What do you think about Dean in that maybe maybe Rory is somebody to be avoided because she seems to like take over boy's brains and just scrambles their brains and controls them and destroys their lives. I mean, look at poor Dean, look at Jess. I mean, look, it's just and everybody's a mess that comes into contact. I mean, you know, like like fatally wrong, I mean total what's the virtue with being involved with the Rory Gilmore? What is the virtue there? Really? I mean, what are these
guys getting out of this? She's non committals, she's condescending, she's very sweet in the process of doing it. I just think she's very confused and she just, you know, she's maybe I don't know. Is she emotionally unprepared to deal with any of this stuff for us? Are we just expecting too much too soon for somebody at that age. Here's my question for the three of you. Who is more wrong now? Not not last night when it but now we're a couple days later, maybe one, maybe two?
Is Rory wrong? Is Dean wrong? No? I think Dean is always going to be way more wrong. Yeah, I do agree. I do think. I do think Rory had a fault in last night. But it also was very bad that she then did it again after thinking about it, so like the double repeat was not good. Um, but yeah, Dean, Dean is the one that's falling on the sword. Also, I was thinking, remember when they fell asleep and miss Patty is like a play it's a place for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
A'm shocked no one saw them. Next question, whose got the guts to dial this phone number? Oh? What Luke's number? I'll call it, yeah and ask for Luke. Yeah. The fact that it wasn't a five five five. I was like, oh my god, oh daniel speaker, But what do I say when I answer? It is Luke? Okay, say it's Laurel. To be quiet. I'm nervous. I'm not gonna crank calling. And I just please thank your message for see if he calls us back, just says say Danielle. Say it's
we're calling Danielle. Somebody with guts. Call again. You don't call again. I'm gonna call and say, hey, Luke, this is Luke. What are you doing with my number? Okay, I'm gonna try calling again. But you know what's crazy is it's a number from Connecticut. Like it's actually that would make sense. It's the same yeah, but like they actually did. There's no way she could have just put Amy meaning Amy Sherman Palladino could have just put a
number like that. I'm surprised the voicemail didn't say hey, it's Luke, that they just got the number. Oh my god, I'm sweating. I don't know why this. It makes me so diarrheal, like I'm so nervous. I don't know. I've never made crank calls. When I did, I did im out is your refrigerator running? Hi? My name is Danielle. I work with iHeartRadio. I'm calling on behalf of the I Am All In podcast. Um it's a Goma girls podcast.
And I'm sure you get this like a million times, but um, this number was displayed in one of the episodes, and I was just curious if you get called all the time and have people asking if Luke is there? Um, so yeah, if you don't mind giving me a callback, I would love to discuss. Thank you, Danielle, you did good jobs. You sounded she's sweating. God, that's funny. That was really good. District Attorney for the state of Connecticut. We'll think about it, like we just started watching this
what we watched this episode? And how many podcast listeners do we have? Everyone's now watching this episode. There has to be other people who have thought the same thing and possibly even tried. We have hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. The other thing that was weird. It was weird to see someone holding a phone while driving. I was like, that's illegal. Yeah, this kind of guy. Lucas Man, I'm not for love, but I love the last line. Hell
of a test run second go round about the inn right. Oh, so good? So good? It's so good? Um, I mean question, can I I need to ask a question here? How did Kirk sustain his buttocks injury? And what was specifically the injury? Rose Bush got the thorns pickles? No, she said, I think I meant to say rose prickles. Oh that sounds about right? Is that those are called thorns? Right? Right? Right? I do have one scene I do want to bring up, just an honorable background actor mentioned because it was just
it literally made me ll Ivery want like five times. Um. I just told Jackie to pull it up, and I'm not sure if she's if she can find that scene that quick enough? Was it? My favorite line, call me Belinda because my litt sealed. We have to talk about that in pop culture. So good. My favorite line was you've turned us into the scandal of the neighborhood from Emily. Mine was the one I said earlier with Richard and Emily's banter. Ye is it just a whole episode? Was it?
Everybody rate the episode? Oh? Gosh, yeah, go ahead, Tara, I have to pick. I know I'm more concerned what item I'm I'm giving? All right? What's yeah? Yeah, the measuring six. My favorite part start nine point eight five Lindsay's brownies. Oh, it's an almost perfect episode for me. Oh sorry, I got a jumped ahead. Sorry, Targo. I'll go with nine point five Emily's skirts. Funny, funny ten latigra polos. You know you know, if you know you know? Um, oh,
you're giving it a ten. Eh. I'm gonna go with a nine niner point fiver. Um. I agree with Danielle nine. I'm gonna deduct point fiver for the demolition on the Gilmore House. Um, the to get the Richard and Emily house. Um, and I'm gonna give it nine point fiver. Uh. Luke's pullovers. Okay, brown sweaters. I like it. Jackie. Do you have the scene? M Oh, look at the maid. She gives the biggest eye roll of the century. Oh, you can't really tell on that, but that's a great shot. This is such
a Yeah, that's such a great shot. Richard stepping in the door closing. That is that's from the golden age of filmmaking. That shot when it's not like pixelated. She literally does a whole upwards eye roll and I was just like, oh my god, I love her all right, that's gonna wrap up Part two. Um and listen, gang, I'm gonna be at just letting you know. I'm gonna be at the Louisville Comic Con or Louisville Pop Con. I think it's June sixteen through eighteen, Louisville, Kentucky, and
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