I Have No Patience for Jam Hands (S2 E5, "Nick & Nora/Sid & Nancy")

But before, okay, before we get to the episode and we are joined by Riley pellusis today, Hello Riley, how are you? Um? And Hi? Hi? No, no, you can say hello Hi you go way hi hii and Uh and Amy Sugarman. And last night we we did our first live virtual streaming podcast, Friends Giving. What a huge

success it was. We had a blast. There was a couple of technical faux pause with Emily Corona, but it turned out to be uh, you know, kind of the gift that keeps on giving throughout the podcast, and we had an incredible time with the greatest fans in the world.

We really appreciate it. Um and Uh the coolest dude who Jackson Jackson like all of them, Like like Grant was so cool, that Jackson was super cool, Sally was amazing, Emily what it was amazing the guests that came on, the fans that came on to ask questions, they had fun. We love them and I'm so glad. And from what my colleagues are telling me, the chat rooms were just filled with activity and exciting. Yeah, great questions. That's the thing that the fans have the most amazing thoughts and

questions out the show. Yeah, and guess what. I'm going to spring a surprise on you today. And I think you're gonna like it. I think you're gonna like it. I think you're gonna love it. It's ten X with the clown pillow and has been to this. It's it's a bombshell. It's a bomb. You're gonna fall out of your chair. Amy, You're gonna fall out of your chair freaking out. When you send us the text, I got like nervous. I was like, what could it be? No

reason to be nervous. Scott send us a text and said like, I have something that's gonna blow y'all's mind. And now I'm like, what is it? So here's some good news, right. I was just informed that I don't know what the timeframe is. Is it a couple of weeks out or a couple of months out where people will be able to download the Friends Giving podcast. They'll be able to listen to it. I won't be able to see it, but they'll be able to listen into

it right on Thanksgiving Day, Thanksgiving Day, that's happening. So you can download our Friends Giving Virtual Event to listen to it on Thanksgiving Day. It will be available on the platforms for you to enjoy. So we wanted to do that for you. Keep it special, keep it keep it real, um, and we are going to discuss, uh, we're going to discuss this episode. What a huge episode. So here I have a question right out the gate. So it's Milo's first appearance, which was amazing and we'll

talk about it. But he's in the credits. So is that common? Like he's in the credits immediately in the main credits. Yes. Really, So it was like if you watch the episode before this one, no Milo in the credits, and then this one he's there. So so that's the deal his team made with Warner Brothers or the show said. Okay, so you want him on the shows that we curring or whatever. So I think it was a series regular,

wasn't He suddenly became a series regular. And I don't know, I haven't seen the episodes, but I guess he's in every episode after this or most of them. So yeah, he's a series regularly. You know, he's got to be in the main titles. And he was amazing right from the start. What a handsome dude, Oh my god. And they dressed him perfectly, like he right right, He looks a little like how you dress. So there was a little Luke and him, but then he just looks like

the coolest kid in town, the bad bad guy. There's there's a lot of Luke and him, a lot my god, and and what a what a what just a great looking kid, right and and and it was so odd to see because he you know, I you know, I know, a smiling, happy uh Milo with a good, great disposition and loving everybody and and talking everybody up. And then you see this character and it's like that is so far or from what Milo really is. And it was stunning to see it. And it was very very entertaining

because it was like, Wow, he's convincing me. You know, he's really really convincing me. He's a great acting job. The scene where you push him in the water, it's just you know, he talked about it before, but it's just perfect. And that must have been so complicated because it's a bull walk in talk and then it's just boot just beautiful, just beautiful. And even he nails going in the water, yes, And even when he comes up

and looks at me, his attitude change. He was like he was actually befuddled and shocked and like he'd lost some power, which you know, you would think would definitely happen if somebody pushed you into a lake. Um, and I'm saying, you know, I saw at that time said point that was not responsible for Luke to do that, because what if there was a rock in there or something, or there's some kind of wire or rebar sticking up, he could have landed on it and been injured or killed.

And I just thought that was terribly responsible. But it's certainly good television, Oh my gosh. And you're right he did nail it as he came up, because I really watched for that that look, with the look, it's look and the hands kind of right, and the body language and the whole thing. I mean, that's that's what makes him so good, right, the physicalization, the physicality of the character.

So it's just shoulders down, you know, right, little slump forward and a little attitude and just you know that, even just the way he carries the book. I mean, we'll talk about all that too, just the book and the reference at the end, and how he reads as much as Rory does. I mean, there's so much to break down. Listen to him in a tight shot. He's I gotta get back in the gym. I mean, it's like insanity kidding me, It's like you could eat breakfast off his stomach, that kid, Are you kidding me? I

want to bet on you for again? Can I need one? You four again and be ripped? Please? Well, all right, we're gonna take a little break after that and we will be back to discuss Jess Mariano. It's coming in to stir up the pot. We'll be back after these words. Yeah, all right, everybody, we're back and we are talking. What is the title this thing Jess returns? Is that? Is that? What he hasn't He hasn't gone any here. We have never seen him. How can he return when he has

Nick and Nora sitting Nancy? Riley, do you want to give us? I know it was sitting Nancy and Nick and Nora. I knew all that infinite playlist. The whole thing I knew. I knew it was the title. I know where they're borrowing from. Anyway, So Riley, I guess you're on with your synopsis and all. And also I have to say, Scott, one of my favorite songs of yours was the synopsis song synopsis. This is episode five, Nick and Nora sit in Nancy Air Date oct One.

Loral lies well intentioned advice falls on deaf ears when Luke reluctantly takes in his wild seventeen year old nephew, Jess Well, while Rory finds herself attracted to the town's newest resident. The synops Oh yeah, the SYNOPSI so did we actually see that Rory's attracted to him? Yet? I would say she's intrigued by jess Thoughts, how can you not be? How could a young woman not be attracted to that? Yeah, sculpture of a human. You know, Shakespeare

said God made men and he did not make them. Well, I think Jess is the exception what you call it, I'm brooding? Oh, absolutely absolutely. I mean he was a young Marlon Brando right there. I mean that kid. Oh my god, what do you remember about like cut from Granite right what? What do you remember about meeting him? Just that he was such a nice kid, you know he was he was an unusually mature outgoing but not pushy.

You know. He was just sort of present and friendly and and kind of you know, engaged and sort of interested in who you were and you know, good listener, and he just it was unusual in that in that regard that he was so mature for his age. Um, and I just kept saying, well that's this, you know, every time I worked with him or talking to himself. You know. My comment to Lauren was, boy, did he

have good parents? You know. And I'm not saying that anybody was any less spectacular, just that in his case, it was just like this full package coming at you, like, you know, he he's like this incredible looking guy who's really smart, really nice, really talented, mature beyond his years. I mean, it was like he's going to be a superstar and he's nothing like Jess Milow. So it's like you really see how talented he is because he's just

nothing like that guy. Yeah, real focused performer, you know, very focused and very you know on what he needs to do and what he's trying to do, and and it's just sort of his way of going about it too. I mean, he wasn't pushy about it, and there was sort of little suggestions he would make, little things that he needed for me, and just the way he asked

it was just it was so polite, you know. He was just a very polite, gentle spirit, you know, and he got along with everyone right away, with Lauren and Alexis. Oh god, yeah. I mean I don't want to you know, I don't want to embarrass anybody or let the cat out of the bag, but I think I'm gonna the some of the some of the female members of the cast, uh that were on the younger side. We're doing cartwheels every time he came around, Okay, so vying for his attention.

It was actually funny to watch. Oh yeah, man, it was just like hi. And they also you know, if they were in a bad mood or something and there, you know, because sometimes they get people get tired and they're get in a bed, but Jess would come around. They go, oh, hi, yeah, suddenly he's melting hearts. He's just melting hearts all over the place. This is really Jess coming. It's really about Luke too, because I would

say this is the biggest episode for Luke. Yeah, I mean it really it really, you know, adds to mension to Luke. He's got a sister we have met, we really have We haven't met the sister, yes, And now he's got a nephew and and oh there's a history here. And we find out that his mother passed away when when him his sister were kids, and you know, father had to take on and then we just worked a

diner and work, work, work, that kind of thing. So do you remember any kind of like a conscious sort of conversation where they said, hey, we really want to grow Luke now, because from the first episode you're in what one maybe two scenes, and now the show is really starting to revolve around Luke. Yeah. The rumors that I wrote ten letters a day to the creators end to Warner Brothers about this very subject are completely over blown. There's rumors that whatever. So it's just sort of a

natural progression that they don't need my commentary. They don't. They're not seek Scott. What do you think do you? They don't come to my trailer and say, Scott, we need to have a talk with you. We want to know your opinion on where you think your characters should go out. But did you notice suddenly you're getting a script into like we have a lot more? I was happy. It's like, yeah, I just I felt good because you're

becoming really a part of it. You know. It's like you're now you're this integral part of it, and they're building storylines around it, and they're you know, they're flushing out the character, giving it more depth to mention. Um. I just loved it. I love the challenge of it. You know, it's like putting in the long hours and also delivering the performance and you get to work with some new energy, right, there's new energy there, there's there's

there's Milo to work with. So it was like, oh cool, this is what seemed like the perfect time to really bring him on because he stirs up everybody. It's not just like gonna be a thing for Rory and Dean. It's not just a thing for you. But he's stirring it up with Loralae. It's like he's majorly stirring up the town. Yeah, just when you thought it was safe to go out at night and starts hollow. Now as soon as Dean is domesticated, Right, we're not worried about

Dean anymore, are we. No, he's he's fully leashed at this point and neutered and so so. But you've got to drop in another one. You thought Dean was bad, here here we go with a Milo. Did they tell you sort of the trajectory, like did you do you remember knowing like, hey, Milo is joining and he's gonna be here for a while. This is going to be major or is it sort of like you're kind of

learning every week as you go. Um. I do remember having some conversations about the arc of his character, um, but not not too much detail, not great detail, just sort of sort of general notes about it, which is all I really needed anyway. Um. And they were very generous in that way to sort of, you know, give me some guidance, like we're heading to this this this this beacon and then the next one and then the next one. But um, no details how we're getting there.

But you know, you have enough time to digest all that and figure that out for yourself when you get the script, you know, like ten minutes before you start shooting, and do you think Luke okay? So we really see Luke's loyalty to his family. It's like, it doesn't matter if he wants to do this, this is what you do. Like, what are your sort of thoughts on what we learned

from about Luke and loyalty and family. It was heartbreaking for me just from my own personal experience with my family, um, because that doesn't always apply unfortunately in reality, you do the best you can and then all of a sudden, you know, you know, things happen and you have to walk away. But um, I think that as a an ideal for a character arc, if it's a pillar of a character, then it has to be you know, you have to follow through on it. And that's just sort

of who Luke is. And there was nothing really Look, there was nothing really too terrible that was going on in Luke's life. His sister wasn't too terrible challenging. Us isn't too terribly challenging. It's not like you know, a lot of families face far worse than this. I mean, I don't even need to go into it, but I think for the w B and for family type of show, I think that's about as intense as it's going to get. Right.

It's going to reflect reality, but it's just it's the kind of a reality that's not so dark and dangerous, you know what I'm saying, because because it can't be right, it can't be for that show. So she's not that bad. He's just not Rory right, He's right, I mean, who

is who is? So? So it's like, but you know, you have to give and I think I think they also realized that the executives also realized that Rory, um, you know, it's like she's got her own set of fans and Laura Lauren has her own set of fans and there, you know, they do mesh and they do

they do share the fan basis. But you know, I think Alexis was breaking out on her own, has her own sort of category of star, right, so in her own right, she had her own claim to start them at that point, and her you know, she was bringing these unexpectedly high level skills to bear on that character.

Um um. So I think they you know, they thought they could, they could work with her, and like, let's give her a jest, Let's give her a Paris, she continued, a whole Paris and to to for lack of a better term, But I'm just I'm getting so turned off with Paris. I can't even stand. And I'm some but but it's so manipulative. Not to jump around so much, but it's so manipulative. I find myself rooting for Rory so much and so proud of how she's handling the

situation with Paris. About the whole, it's like flush, the Paris character doesn't matter. You are just subordinate to making us like Rory more and more and more and more. So so it's really interesting device. But uh, you know, back to Jes, Yeah, I think that's just who Luke is, right, He's family. I'm gonna we're gonna take care of family. That's just kind of what you do, um, which explains everything about Luke. Yes, yes, I agree, he doesn't even hesitate.

If you were to say one thing about like what one line in the series so far maybe overall defines who Luke is. That's it. When he says to Laura, I not even look alone, just you know, pumping up his mattress like this is what you do. I'm gonna inciveunce my life. Listen that he's family. You take care of family. That's what you do. Boom, blanket statement, no

discussion about it. I think it's interesting you say that because to me brings me back to when Luke immediately jumps in and it's going to help Laurel I when Richard was in the hospital. You drop everything like he is the most loyal person. Maybe she's a bit of a mother figure to him because she stands up to him and she tells him, he gives him what for, and she's one of the few that can do this. And I think Rachel did it to an extent. But she did it and she left and she kept leaving,

So there's no trust there. But with Lauren, with Laura Lai, Um, she's not going anywhere. She's there there, they're embedded in that town. Yeah. I think you make a great point there. Yeah, so yeah, there might be. And that's why I think too, essentially that Rory is going to be attracted to Jess because she's still her mother's daughter. So even though she's doing all the right things. She's still going to have

that attracted to the bad boy thing. But the thing is is, even though she was getting into it with the you know, the inevitable sort of beginning to fall for Jess and Jess inevitably falling for her. You could see it in that final scene when it's like, uh, you know when he said he made notes on Alan Ginsbury's Howell and I've only read it forty times and then uh and then the um the Dickens reference um, and he knew it and she was pleased. I trust her.

I trust her now not to screw up her life because this is this is a pattern with super intelligent uh people, right girls uh that you know, their lives get blown up because they don't have the character, the backing of the support from family, right when they're about to go to college and their senior year just blows up into partying and it blows up into boys and it's just like and then suddenly they don't really want to go to Harvard anymore, and it's like, you know,

I'll go I'll go over here, and I don't care. They don't even bother going to college. I trusted her, not I didn't feel so I felt more encouraged about a potential romance between the two and the excitement of that and how that was going to play out. Then I was about him derailing her. M I agree with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't feel any possibility of that happening, because if she can handle herself so beautifully, with such maturity and calm and cool up against Paris, then no guy is

gonna be smart enough. You're not gonna find a guy that's smarter than than Paris and more diabolical. Nothing will derail her. Nothing's going to derail So I I really trust her character. I trust Rory to stay on the straight now, to stay studying. Nothing's gonna throw her off. In fact, she's already manipulating him. She's already testing him and saying, you know, are you literate? Do you read

these things? And like okay, right, And when he's like let's sneak out, and she's like number one, there's no word to sneak to and number two, no, I want to eat, Like there, this is gonna be delicious. Like she's so like above him, like why would I do that? Right? Yeah, you're a hot dude, but I ain't. I ain't passing up a hot meal when I'm hungry. Guy. I mean, you know, you kind of matter, but not right now. Right,

she's her own person. She's grown, you know, she's growing into the spectacular woman to be and it's just this strong, empowered one but still hell bent for leather because who mommy isn't who daddy is, right, So there, so there's that opening, right, she would be attracted to him, but it's not going to cause her problems. It'll cause her some heartache maybe, but it's necessary. It's not going to go to jail. Although I do think they get into some trouble, but we'll talk about and I think that's

really important for that character. I think it's really important for the series. We do not want to mistrust Roy or think that she is such a oh I don't know what's the word troll up or something that she's she's going to go off and ruin her life. We can't have that, you know. That's that's like, that's a Madeline Louise type of storyline, right, right, She's not ditching the Bengals concerts. Some college party. Jess is what we needed though, Like even if we didn't realize we needed it.

Like somebody smarter than us writing the show knew that Jess is exactly what this show needs. Yeah, the injection of that kind of energy, um and that sort of classical beauty that he represents. I mean, he just represents like I mean, you know, it's like Michelangelo's David shows up in a and a pair of blue jeans and

he's completely different. And I thought, in terms of the acting he had, he displayed an appropriate amount of you know, sort of internal confusion and internal angst and um where he was that he was that guy that thought he knew everything, yet he knew he didn't, and he was angry about it and he just he just couldn't. He had no patience for conformity or society or he doesn't

want to be a jerk. Right. It made me made you want to find out what happened to him and help him out, and it really made me gravitate toward him. So that's the subtlety in his performance that is so brilliant. It draws you in. You know, he doesn't overdo it, He just gives you a taste. So when Luke comes in with all the like, here's the stuff to help you quit smoking. And here's a picture of black lungs and here's that. I almost thought he was gonna go okay, uncle,

but instead this looks out. You're like, at any moment, he's going to figure this out and be the good guy. But that's a process. We know that's gonna take time and it's gonna work. But that is exactly what Jess needs. He needs a father figure. He needs somebody to be tough with him. Tough love is what he needs. That's what he's gonna get. And that's all really Luke knows anyway, And I think that unjust probably realizes that at some point like this, I is a one trick pony here,

and he's not gonna do it any other way. So I'd better conform because this is a brick wall and he ain't changing, right, that can affect some change in another person. I mean, just by this yer example of Luke's life, he gets up early, knows to grindstone. He's a great friend. He has aspirations, but it doesn't take precedence over his life and what he needs to do to pay his bills and you know, provide coffee, donuts

and food for the citizens of Stars Day. Yeah, that's his job, right, It's like he's part of the heartbeat of that town, right, so he's he's got a responsibility and that rubs off on Jess. Eventually, I hope, right, and he'll see he'll see what it is too. I don't know, be a man like grow up and accept responsibility.

It is an epic fight that Luke and lorel I have and then lower La doesn't want to go in the diner, and then it comes full circle because then come back to the house and admit, like, you were right. But I never worried that this was they weren't going to make up. I didn't like Luke in that moment. I just I don't know really. I mean, it's like I was almost like, how dare you talk to her that way in her kitchen when she's just I know

he didn't see what she was doing. I know he didn't have the knowledge that Jess took a beer and I was about to drink. It was disrespectful to Laurela in her own house, and she was overstepping a little bit. I will say, because you think so. See that's the debate, right, justify did it for the right reason? Tirade. But yeah, yeah, I felt he was justified. They both were a little over the top because they both could have calmed down

and had it helped each other. But she's getting pissed and she also knows she's right, which ultimately she sort of is. But like you have to be sensitive to people like this kid just came into town. You're the uncle. You're trying to deal with this situation. You're doing the best you can, You're trying to do the right thing. So I understood both perspectives. I don't know, I just think Laurela was completely justified going out into the porch,

into the back there, taking the beer away. She was still being nice to him, she was still just trying to talk to him right, and he was being nasty, unnecessarily nasty to her and dismissive, been disrespectful, and that's her daughter, And there ain't no way that that guy is not going to get red Riot Act from that

woman protecting her daughter. She was come hud justified. She was even justified kicking him out, like get out of my house, because that's what I would have done if somebody talked to me that way in my own house. And I have done that. Actually, I have dismissed people before, and and but she had every right to do it, and I'm surprised she didn't do it, because all she did was said, okay, you know, she took the beer and she goes fine, and then she left. She said

something definitive and left. I can't recall what she said, but it was it was. It was clearly drawing a line, and he knew he was still welcome to come back in and join the festivities even after that. And so

she's her blood is up. And then and Luke comes in the room, completely ignorant of what's going down, doesn't even bother to ask her what happened, doesn't even bother to give her a chance to explaining, explaining, not that he has owed and exploit well, he kind of is owed an explanation, um, and she's offering one as a friend, right, trying to explain to what happened, and he doesn't get it, and he so he starts getting very territorial over Jessin,

and his manhood threatened. And I just thought it was unnecessary. It made sense to me, though, I I his reaction was not so out of line. It was like he's trying to defend this kid. He's trying to do the right thing. It was a little bit of a low blow when you mentioned that she got pregnant sixteen. That was I think so too. I was shocked that he went that low. I did not like that. That was rough. But ultimately he does come back around and admits she's right.

But Luke's also trying to figure this out and is getting emotional, which he hates. He gets in it's yeah, so he's like, and then we get to the jam Hands scene and it's just you know, he's I forgot I remember jam Hands, but I forgot that it was in this episode. I mean, jam Hands is such a classic Gilmore. I think that's that's one of the Luke classic rants. Right, was that that wasn't the first rant, but that might be the first classic. No patients for

jam Hands. And it's like it just was building. I think that's what had to happen, is like it's just building, building, building, and she's trying to tell him like you're in a world of her, bro this is gonna be rough. No no, no, no, no, no, Bill Bill Bilbil. I just didn't like how he wanted her in the kitchen. I did not like that, but I want to reach into the screen and smack him, like, don't talk to her that way. I didn't mind it,

because again, it's so real. People get mad and people act crazy when even when it's not justified because they're dealing with something else. It did two things. Okay, it delayed the inevitable of them getting together. That bought two seasons. Another thing it did it has showed the audience that she is too good for him. Right, the audience was thinking it's the other way around, he's too good for her, but in that moment, she was too good for him.

Look at it. That's when it showed I see what you're saying, but I also see it as we're just seeing that Luke is humid. They're both just real people trying to help each other, trying to do their best. And look, she was ultimately right, but it was almost a little too soon for her to point that out. Right, it is your nephew, it is your problem. You're trying to help. You love this kid. But why wouldn't he want to help from her? He loves her? Why that

wasn't ready? He wasn't ready. I get I get he's like, you know, he's a full blown adult. He's he's he's you know, full blown adults respect each other's boundaries. That's definitely a boundary. But he's in the house behaving a certain way and being disrespectful to him, and he needs I get. I get that he felt like she was crossing into the boundary. But it was like the reactions just like, would you just shut up and listen to her?

Just listen to what she's saying to you, guys, wasn't ready to hear the truth and he and look, he comes around in one more day. And now because of that, I think it took them to a closer level, because she forgives him immediately, like when Luke comes in and says, I was wrong, you were right. It's not like she's like holding a grudge. It's just immediately like, yeah, here I am, let's let me hear it. Yeah, I'm splitting hairs. No, it's it's interesting, Well, let's talk about how much you

do dislike Paris right now. I don't know. I find her falling in. I almost find her character devolving into the category of cartoonish because it's just so over the top absurd evil mustache twirling. I'm gonna get you, you you know. It's it's like, you really gonna make me eat this

right now. It's like, but I'm in come on, I don't mind it because it's so real everywhere else, do you know what I mean, Like all the other scenes that so like they have this thing and she's lying about the time the class starts, in the signing and the parking lot job, and then she shows up an hour early and in their ready and it's all just do me a favor. Okay, since since do me a favor, take me back to how it went off the rails again.

I thought these two were they were, but then remember Tristan asked out Rory, and even though Rory never said yes, that the die was cast there, we're still even though Rory's like, dude, I didn't say yes. I wasn't gonna go to the PJ. Harvey concert. I just don't know how anybody is that unforgiving or that crazy because she because she knows that Rory is ultimately the competition. Rory is the only one that can knock Paris offer the

smartest Rory. Rory is irresistible. She is not a threatening presence. She is not a threatening person. She's a sweet person who wants to make friends with everybody. The parking lot was one thing. The max assignment was brutal, Like making this kid interview the guy that the mom just called it off with. That was the smart move because it actually it just kept everything she did, kept making Rory

look like she was more mature, more special. I mean, it was just it's that I'm shocked that the character of Paris, who had some dimensionality and some depth and has now become completely one dimensional. And I'm I'm sorry to see it. That's that's what I am. Um. I'm kind of in mourning over that, because I do like the character. I do love the character of Paris, and I think she's hysterically funny, and Liza Wheel is a very gifted actress. But what she's given, I think, really

is lacking. I mean, it's one thing to really want to build up Rory and get everybody on Rory side, but it's another thing to sacrifice the character of Paris. And this way, I mean, she's not uh, I mean, she's beyond rehab at this point. You know, It's like, how low can she demonstrate that she is able to go to destroy another person before we just dismiss her as a character, and she's like she's turning into a cartoon. And I don't like it. I think it. I think

it's imbalanced in the series. I think her character isn't good enough to be in the series anymore, and I want to see another character emerge that takes her out. She's now ripe to be taken out of the series because I don't know if she's wanted or necessary anymore. It's like it's becoming kind of a joke. So again, I have the problem of knowing what happens. So don't tell me. I won't. I think, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how you your opinion of her evolves as

she continues, because she's not leaving. I'm not gonna, you know, there's no right, So I think it'll be interesting if you start to like her more. Yeah, I don't care how many of these little sort of puppy dog moments she has, like really really and then she softens and but now she's faking it. She did that to Rory, deceiving her about the assign But what I think what

she looks, she's pure evil. She doesn't get is it always backfires on her because think about it, she assigns the parking lot story, and then the teacher talks about how amazing the parking lot story is. So it's like it is cartoonish in the sense that everything she tries well foiled again do you know what I mean, Ay, you were saying tip for tat, I felt like the

parking lot of time. I was like, oh, and then she did it well and I was like, oh, and then Paris comes back with the interview and I was like, oh, Riley make a great point, like oh she got you. Oh no, she got you, Oh she got you. She So I think, especially as you think about it, for young women watching this show, or like a lot of people watch this as tweens and teens, the whole thing is kind of amusing. You know, maybe they see it in a different way, but I mean, clearly, at this

point in Paris is outmatched. Even though she has all the power at the Franklin, she is outmatched. She is dealing with somebody who is smarter, who is far more emotionally mature, and who you know, kind of hangs out with with Mahatma Gandhi text and knows how to center herself and breathe and not react. And and Tristan, for example, has the crush on Rory. It's like everything Pairs wants, Rory keeps getting and every time she tries to foil her it failed. So it's like, right, she should just

become a nice person. But I don't know when a character becomes so predictable, it just becomes boring. Um, just stay tuned. But because it will. Do you think we're gonna get some emails about this? I don't think so. I have more interested I do think people have opinions about Pairs, but I'm more interested about the fight. If people think Luke went too far as you do, or

if they think it was justified. I'm very curious about how people will feel about I did not like him getting territorial to that degree in that moment, but I guess that just shows the imperfection of people in the imperfection of characters and motions are un high in these situations. And how would you know, Laurel, I react in a similar situation with Rory, But Rory is not a script.

You'd never do anything like that. We're dealing with. You're dealing with a young boy who's confused and angry and hurt um who just is just kind of dumping on everybody, grabs a beer and goes outside. I mean it's like, really, it's like Luke's gift to my family. Oh thanks Luke, thanks for bringing him over. But he has to and she invited them. I see what you're saying, and you're being very like, she's got to protect your daughter. I'm blowing him like if I'm Laurel, I I'm not letting

that kid near my daughter. She's going to have a lot of say in that. I think I would say to Luke, you know, and retort to his in response to his well you were sixteen. You said, listen, pal, you're the one that brought this psycho into my house. So not only do you get out, take him with you and don't come back. I mean, it was it was getting to that level, yes, But here's the whole point of that. Now you two are in cahoots and agreeing and trying to save Jess, which is going to

make the both of you more stressed out. As Rory and Jeff develop this friendship relationship, we're just setting it all up perfectly. What He's got enough stress in her life? What does she need to join forces with Lord Luke to save this kid? Why? What? How much energy and free time does she have in her life? She's at the independence end right, working her tail off, She's dealing with all this other stuff, being a great friend everybody.

And now listen to me defending this woman. I'm telling you you better be ready again, because but she's got her she's got to keep her daughter on the straight. Now, she's going through all this garbage with the cartoon Paris now and you know, trying to draw her into a comic strip. I'm not gonna have control over it because Jess, we already see it. We already see now this Rory is intrigued by Jess. Maybe this is just normal stuff that all parents deal with, and this is just a

situation that all parents deal with. Yeah, and Jess is just an extreme. But here's my unanswered question. Didn't Jess steal the bridge money? Of course he did, I'm clear on that. I think you know what I have to disqualify. I have to um recuse myself from this because I think I know the answer to this. He does did steal the gnome obviously, Beyah, I don't think he steals this. I don't think he did either. Yeah, I think it comes out that he didn't. I agree with that kind

of thing. He would steal because he would steal a gnome. He wouldn't steal money. But what's why steal a gnome? Because he saw it on Babette's lawn? And what the hell is that clowney gnome? We have a surprise guest for you in the waiting room. Oh, it's a surprise guest. Surprise ish, Yeah, okay, is he ready or we are? Do you want me to tell you a little about

him dating for people with equal eyes? When the boy Scouts at the very beginning of the episode, I guess there are boy scouts cub scouts there with Taylor come into the diner and they have the scene with you. One of those scouts is Kendall Schmidt, who later went on to become huge in Big Time Rush, like huge on Nickelodeon's Big Time Rush, Like touring the country playing music with three other guys. Well, when he was like a little little kid, a little tiny guy, and there

he was a little kid with Big Time Rush. How old. Was he a big time rush? Probably in his teens, early twenties maybe, But here are teenagers. He's touring the world with this. Is it a rock band? Is it a boy band? Yeah, it's a boy band. Yeah, he'll tell you all about it. He'll tell you that. But yeah, he's just a little guy. And there he was, so we spotted it. And here he is for you, is right here this guy, this little guy who became a

huge international star. Wait a minute, are you saying? Look at the picture you're sending me a picture of this guy. He's another handsome dude. All right, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with Kendall Schmidt, who I can't wait to meet and talk to ye. All right, everybody, we're back and we have a very special guest. There are springing on me this this very handsome dude. He's a dude. He looks like a dude. He looks like a salty dude. And Kendall Schmidt, and there he is.

There's the guy. There he is. Dude, Where did I come in the Kansas? All right, how are you doing? Nice to meet you, Kendall. Good to meet you, or meet you meet you after all those years. It a lot's changed, all that growling up. You're done, right, Look I have facial hair now too, which is Look that time has flown by. Oh my god, are you still in your twenties? No? Actually one? Oh man, yeah, I'm over the hill. Wow. And you and so you were

you were the first kid. You were the tall kid in the boy Scout thing and you were the first kids kid number one, I think that was. I have notes here, Season two, episode five, right, and you were like eleven ten? Well I probably would have been ten or eleven. Yeah, what wow? This is this is trip all right. So so I have some notes here myself, and I want to ask you some questions, okay, because the fans really want to know this stuff. So you began your acting career at the age of five. How

did you get into acting? Well, you know, um, people talk about that that they were thing into their career. I mean, it's just the way of saying it. But I mean I was a kid, so I was really just having fun. It seemed like a cool way to have a good time. My oldest my two older brothers got into acting. Believe it or not. In Wichita. Um, there was a healthy print market in Wichita. So there's a lot of photos actually still at CBS. You know when you buy a picture frame and there's like the

stock picture in the picture frame. Some of those photos me my brothers. So, uh, we did that in Wichita, and then, uh, you know it's like the progression from that was which take to New York. And then they said, if you really want to take this seriously, you guys have go out to l A. So then my mom and my two brothers and I and Dad was paying the bills the whole time. So I got to give him so much credit for that. We went out to

l A and pursued the dream. And then now I'm the only one left in l A actually, so I still lived there and everyone else has moved on. And uh, it's been what a crazy ride, and between when I met you and now quite the ride. Wow. So your brothers, your brothers moved out and they go back to Kansas, so they spread out a little bit. So no, my my oldest, my oldest brother, when he was like seventeen, decided to go to college. Um, and then he ended up becoming a lawyer, which is pretty great. Um. And

then my middle brother and I Kevin. We stayed out in l A for a little bit longer. We did some more stuff, and then he actually is working for Calvert County in Maryland, which is where I am right now. Um, and uh, he's loving it. So I came to have like an early Thanksgiving because we have rehearsals for Big Time Rush coming up, and I just didn't want to try to squeeze in a little family visit in between.

So here I am. So you're still doing Big Time Rush. Yeah, So we took a let's see, we were active from two thousand nine to two thousand fourteen. End of two thousand thirteen. Um. And then I've continued doing stuff with my band, have fron Drive and work solo music. Um. And we recently decided to get the band back together. Actually, right at the beginning of the pandemic, we were talking about this and then everything hit and we were like, Okay, I guess we'll have to take a minute and figure

out how we're going to do this. But yeah, we're we have our first shows coming up. Actually, Oh that's exciting, it's really exciting. All right, Well, we'll get to that. We're gonna get to the band stuff because I'm a band guy too and write songs. I'm all about that. I mean, I could talk about I could have another podcast actually have set lists here, potential set lists that we were just having a phone call about that in front. I do that too. This is the set lit the

set list structure and alchemy is an ongoing challenge. It really, really really I love it though. I love figuring it out. Um. But anyway, we'll we'll get to all that stuff. But let's let's do the Gilmore thing. How do you get the part? Do you remember the process? I mean, you know, at that time, it was like, um, I was having four or five auditions a day, and it was interesting.

I think if I remember correctly, that was after I mean, long story short, it was an audition, um, And I remember I used to I used to love going to auditions at w B because I lived really nearby on Heron Drive, which is right by Vaughan's on Past Avenue. I'm sure you know where that is, and so I used to love it. I used to ride my scooter

to w B to go to auditions with. My mom had a scooter as well, so we would ride the razors together and go to go to these auditions that they were nearby, UM, and booked it and then ended up with you guys on set just like that. Nice. UM. So what do you remember about that first day on set? You know, I was thinking about this. Actually I had worked on other things before and and then after, but it reminded me thinking back on it. I remember seeing

how like you guys were very well oiled machine. I'm sure you might have a different and he might be like, well, it was actually chaotic. M to me, it was a well oiled machine. And then fast forward to when I was on my own show, and I just remembered how nice you guys were to everybody, because it's different, you know, when you're coming on as a guest or just as a bit part on a show and you're working with everyone who has been together for years and they've been

you know, they've got the Stanley. You kind of feel like, oh am, I coming in on the Stanley Dynamic whatever. But you guys were so sweet to everybody. And then I remembered that when I was on my own show, I had guest stars coming on the show, and I I felt like returning to the kindness, you know, so We've actually had a big impact on me. Yeah. We we want to make everybody feel comfortable. We know how accimidated some people, even even veterans, like Broadway veterans coming

on when they realized the pace of the dialogue. They don't realize that sometimes when they come on set and then the director yelled action, and then after a first couple of takes, the director goes, you know, you're you need to speed it up. In the actors like, I remember that I'm doing as fast as I can. What are you talking about? Speed up? Well, what's got to

be a lot faster, And then they'd start to sweat. So, you know, we wanted to provide the the most nurturing and welcoming set we possibly could because we knew the challenges that everybody would face that was coming in that wasn't used to that pace. And and by the way, I have had auditions for stuff since then, and they used the pace of Gilmore Girls as an example. Yep, always yeah, similar Gilmore Girls pace. And I'm like, okay, all right, you know not a problem have done that?

Said that Dragon, Um, how many times did you have to film that diner scene with Taylor? How many takes. Did you do find a guess? I mean it wasn't all that many. I don't remember what the camera setup was like. Was it just single cam? Did you guys have to getting coverage on stuff? Um? No, I think we kept it pretty wide on you guys. Yeah, I mean you just we just sort of you come in, we kind of falling. I think it was a steady

cam shot. I think Steve was on the steadicam uh and he just sort of, you know, settled on you guys when you landed and did that's the dialogue with the Taylor and Laurel. Well, you might be able to tell me better. I mean, I feel like we didn't do that many takes because of the case of the show in general. You know, I don't think they allocated a lot of time for stuff like that. It's like, yeah, you guys kind of nailed it anyway. So it was

like there was so much to do that day. So do you remember hanging out with any of the other boy scouts that day? I mean, you were a little older than what they were. What would you guys hung out and play around? It's funny, I don't have there's like specific memories from when you're like under a certain age, you know, it's like under under. I used to think this was funny when I would ask my grandparents about, oh, do you remember what was your high school graduation like

or whatever? My grandma would be like, I remember, you know, And I used to think that was crazy because it to me it was like, well, that's such a significant moment. But I mean, there's only so much you can remember. And I just the thing that really stuck with me, like I mentioned before, was how how nice everybody was at the pace of it was something that really stuck

with me. Um. And also the professionalism you guys had something that I took with me and and I don't think I've actually ever talked to any of the other boy scouts again. Unfortunately, Well they're lost, right, I don't know. I'm sure, you know what, there's probably a doctor, there's probably a lawyer in there somewhere, so I'm sure they're doing they're great. Alright, right, Um, so you did you returned in season three? How did did you just get an offer to come back? I mean I think I

did at that point. Yeah, that was just like, oh, well, hey he was here before he did all right, Um, application anxiety alright, Season three, episode three, right, and we chatted at the chatted about it at the bar. Okay, and you and I, Yeah we did. We had we had a scene together. I think we did pretty sure. All right, Well we'll get to that. I mean, I might be mixing up episodes as well, though. Um, you know what, I had an impression to you that was

I was thinking about this. I was wondering if you were playing a character or not, because you kind of just kind of seemed like this was you a little bit, you know, you know, and I didn't know you as a person, so I wouldn't know what you're off, you know, off stage personality. But I always remember actually that part in general, for you know, it was seemed like it was a fun role to play because it was it was a real guy, you know, a real guy I'm

like so many other characters. It seemed like it was so much fun. And the wardrobe must have been great. In fact, you got to wear a ball happened, didn't have to spend any time in hair and makeup at all. Uh no, no, no, that was yeah. I was in character of the whole time I was there. I never I never broke character except at lunch. So I'm nothing. I'm not I'm not really like that guy. So if we were talking on set and stuff, you were kind of still holding onto the character to keep to keep

it going because wow, interesting. Yeah, you know, that's just kind of how I work. And and I just he was so difficult to play. He was so tough to stay in character. Um that I just, you know, it was the only choice I had. Well, what would you describe because his character is difficult in the way that he he's very tight, and he's very you know, he's just he's repressing, repressing so many of emotions and it all comes out as anxiety and a little bit of

anger and edginess and impatience and all that. It's just it's tough to play. It's tough for me to play that. Yeah. And I when I auditioned for it, it was just it was just sort of easy and breezy, you know, you know, but um, I don't know. I guess I fell in and out of it very easily during the audition. Because I went to another audition I had to be complete opposite right after that. Um yeah, yeah, I know.

That was that was that was definitely. And well, I had a similar but dissimilar experience with with Big Time Rush because that show, Uh, I don't. I don't think it was any specific decision. It just kind of happened where they used our same first names as the characters. And so I've been dealing with that a lot, where at least it's convenient when people go, hey, Kendall, I'm like, well, yeah, um, sure that's me. Um. But we were and you you

can so many people have asked you this. We were still playing characters as much as it seems like in the first names are similar to our first names are the same. I was like, well, I mean yeah, I'm not as an extreme of an animated guy as as that character was. But the good news is is when people call me by my character name, they're really actually just called me by my name. So it's kind of

nice in that way. You know What's interesting? I did I didn't e P about four years ago, and one of the songs uh kind of went viral on the indie rock charts, right. So, but the way the producer mixed it and produced a song and made my voice sound I heard, I saw a character. It was the only the only so and it was like that was not me, it was somebody else. And it pleased me so much because it was like, oh, I can fall into that character because that character can sing that song

and it's not me singing that song. It also made me realize that, man, was I really late to the party and maybe this wasn't gonna work out because that's a much younger character, you know. Um um, but it's interesting. It's interesting how you approach you know, a song, a you know, an acting piece. It's all kind of the same. You know, if you can get into a character, you know, then it becomes like you know how Bowie used to do it, I mean, changing characters. You know, it's like

this sort of one man show, ongoing one man show anyway. Um, very interesting. So so what was your first appearance like, uh, compared to the second time you were on Gilmore Girls, obviously you were probably a little less nervous. Yeah, oh man, I was just a lot less nervous as a kid. Anyway, It's amazing how I actually remember there was that there was a weird, awkward moment of being a team where suddenly I was way more self aware and going to

auditions was an absolute nightmare, you know. Uh. In fact, it was a miracle that I booked Big time Rush because I was still in that zone. Um. Back then, I it's just a kid, you know, having fun. I mean it really wasn't. I remember that you had to do your three hours of school, um, which I always kind enjoyed actually because there was a time limit and we didn't have to do it all day. Um. And and uh, you know it's one of those getting the words you got. It's very fast paced. So I just

remember being like, okay, hey, you're up. You know, here we go block the scene a little bit, run it. Um. It was very it was very uh totally new experience for me because up to that point I had done other things, but that was the first like whoa, this is a this is a show. You know, these guys have have episodes to complete and everything, and I didn't you know, realize how that was until being on my own show. You know. So so so here's yeah, so

here here's something I'm really interested. So you know you have been on you know, the E R S, the Frasier's, the c S, I MI Miami is to fill the Future, all that kind of stuff. What do you like more? Do you like the singing more or do you like the acting more? Well, I like the singing more because I don't have to audition for it. You know. Um, if if if people were calling me like, hey, dude, we got this great script, you know, it would be

a different I'd be like, yeah, let's go right. But you know, the business, the business was hard and it's still hard. So being a singer and now at least having a sort of a group of people that have already you know, come on board from being a big time Russian all that stuff that makes it a lot easier just to be a singer. And you put out a song, you get a reaction. Uh you know, people say, oh I love it down you know, they downloaded, they let's stream it. And then you go on tour and

you play you get the immediate reaction. So, um, I think just for that reason, I like doing music more. But it's only because acting is tough. You know, it's a lot it's a lot more difficult, even just to get to the part where you're on the camera, you know, right, Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. Anyway, let's get into your now, we can get into your your big Time Rush, right, we can get into this stuff. So you so you start from two thousand thirteen Big Time Rush. What was

it like? You know, put put us, put us there, put us in. Tell us what it was like to be a part of Nickelodeon during that time. Uh So at that time, I feel like Nickelodeon was like in a Heyday. And for me, um, growing up, I loved Nickelodeon. Like I used to watch Global Guts, I used to

watch Regular Guts. I used to watch Double Dare Double Dare two thousand, all those great game shows that Nickelodeon had, which I was just such a big fan of those shows, and then of course all that all of the actual TV shows that they had. So when I got to book, when I booked the show, which we don't have to go into the whole audition process, but it was difficult and and involved like a boy band boot camp to see who could be to boy band and also act

on television show. But um, when I got I just felt like it was the coolest thing ever because it was like, wow, Um, I can't believe I'm on this network that I used to like obsess over. And I always wanted to win a Kid's Choice Award. We ended up winning many of them, and um, it just was like so much fun. But also I'll never forget the night before the network the final audition, because we had had a couple of things before that, not even callbacks, but that sort of boy band boot camp thing had

already happened. And I remember I've being at my brother's place and I started crying and he was like, what's going on? And I was like, Um, I don't know. I guess I'm just scared, you know. I was like, I feel like this either could be nothing, you know, it could be like a one off season and that's it. It could totally fail, or it could be like the next however many years of my life. And so I was kind of like I didn't even know that I

was ready for that responsibility. So man, it was a big learning experience and and it wasn't just to show the fact that it broke into performing live and you know, doing tours and everything. It really became our whole life. It was every day for five years at least. So what it was it was wild. How big did it? Again? I mean what kind of how big were the audiences. Um, So as far as the TV show goes, we know,

I mean, I'm talking about the tour tour. Well, it started at it started at the first show we ever did was a random radio show in Henderson, Nevada that was a small little thing, and then quickly evolved to selling out theaters. And then the next tour we sold out amphitheaters. Okay, so you went from like a couple of thousand, couple of thousand to five thousand every night, so you were doing arenas, arena well amphitheater sized arenas

and arenas. So the tour, depending on what the venue was and where the location was, we would either do a giant amphitheater that could hold seventeen thousand, or we would do an arena that would hold thirteen thousand or something like that. And we played bigger shows for like one off things like we opened for Justin Bieber. One of our first shows was opening for Justin Bieber in Mexico,

and I think that was six six or seventy thousand people. Um, and uh, we played at the Houston Rodeo, which is actually a really great show to play. That's like almost a hundred thousand people as many of the stadium holds, so I mean, yeah, it was. It was wild. Our Amphitheater tour was probably my favorite one because it was every night it was like thousand people sold out all the way to the back, you know amphitheaters. They just looked so cool with the lawn in the back and

everyone camped out. It's just like an endless sea of people. Um, yeah, I mean it was. We we played huge sold out Jones Beach twice on one of our tours, and and yeah, it was. It was wild. And so that lasted for how long I want to say we did three or four full tours because we we could only do them

in between the seasons. UM. And that's what was kind of crazy about it was we would we filmed Monday through Friday, UM, and then on the weekend we would either do dance rehearsal if there was something on the next episode, or we would do recording for uh the songs that we used in the show. So seven days a week, and then as soon as that was done, we would rehearse for tour, go on tour, come back, have like maybe a week off, and then get back

into the show again. And it was a really wild adventure, very busy. Yeah, I mean we used to. We used to joke about it, like people would say, so, what do you guys do? Like in an interview, they'd say, what are you guys doing a day off? Would be like, uh, what is that word? You know? How do you say that?

You know? Um, But obviously, you know, looking back and when you're in the heat of the moment, I don't know if you felt this on your show, because you guys did so many seasons and stuff, but you know, there's times we were like, this is hard, you know. Uh, And then if you look back on it from you know, thirty feet you go, well, it's really fun. You know. Obviously the whole it was fun, but they're even fun

things have their fair share of challenges. You know. Were you were you guys riding around on private chats we did a couple of times. A couple of times we that wasn't our main mode of transportation, but we went. We were on tour of uses most of the time. And actually for one birthday, my twenty one birthday. This is a fun story. Um, we played we did Worldwide Day of Play, which was a Nickelodeon event. Uh, getting kids to move like getting kids to be outside and

move around. We played that show and then we were having uh like after the show, we were at the hotel and all of the Nick executives were there. We all became very friendly with the Knick executives because they were very much involved in our show. I think it was kind of like a pet project for them. And uh Seema who was the president nickelode at the time,

and Paula who was vice president. We're talking and I was like, yeah, you know my birthday, we're gonna go to Vegas, I think you know, and they were like, wow, like you guys should come there, Like, no, you don't want us at your birthday? And oh, you're probably right. Um, and then Semas said, well, you know that might be a good time to uh if you like, we could you could use the Viacom jet and go to Vegas

on your birthday. I was like, okay, sure, you know, and then we ended up doing um the national anthem because my birthday is on the second. We ended up doing the national anthem at the Thanksgiving Day game UM in Dallas, and sure enough at the Dallas Airport, this Viacom's private jet and after the show, we took all of our crew, we all loaded up, we all flew

to Vegas. They kept the jet there for three days while we had the Veggas festivities, and then put us back to l A. Man, Now, I know how much that costs, you know, I can thus. Yeah, I can't even believe they did that. I mean, what would it. Well know, for all of you, it's like, that's like, you know, it's tens of thousands, that's like, and to hold the plane in Vegas for that many days. But you know, well that was one of three VI comjects, So I think they were like, well that this one's

parked over, you know, let's just use that one. That'll be fine. Oh man, listen, buddy, I could talk to you all day. We don't even feel we haven't even scratched the surface of what I want to talk to you about. But um, you know there is I want to I do want to mention this though before we

before we say goodbye. Um, there is going to be a reunion performance of Big Time Rush Your Band, which include the Chicago the Chicago Theater in Illinois on December, followed by December eighteenth show at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York, legendary Hammerstein Ballroom. That's exciting for you guys. So that's what you're that's what you're boning up for, right these two gigs. This is why I'm here visiting family now because it's gonna be three weeks of rehearsals

coming up. And you know, there's just a lot more in the pipeline for big time rush um. And to take a song title of one of ours, we're just getting started. That's spirit that just came to me right off the top of my head. That's that's the magic. You never know what is going to happen, but in your case, probably a lot. Right, So listen, you guys gonna play l A. Let me know, let let us know, okay, and we'll call you if we're paying at the show. Oh man, I want to be there. I want to

see you guys. I want to support you. Man. I just I love musicians, like just songwriters and musicians just they're my favorite people. And you know what, we should hang out sometime, man, when this is all over with, we should get an apartment together. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm just spitballing here, but I will say that my wife will be very happy. By the way, I was a kid, I found you to be the kind I was like, I think I want to hang out with that guy. It seems cool and it still

rings true to this day. I can have my moments. Thank you. I appreciate that. Later twenty years later. All right, man, what a pleasure meeting you and talking to you. I hope you can come back. We can do this again. Really get into the music side of things and really dig in um because that's what fascinates me about this whole thing. Anyway, Vable, let's chat. You are the man and becoming legend. I love this um. All right, buddy,

thanks so much for coming on. Really enjoyed it. And good luck with the shows and uh and just and just go slight man, you know you can't. It's gonna be fun, all right, buddy, peace out, man, looks love good bye. That was so awesome. He is the coolest. Yeah, he's a cool guy. Right. They're huge too. They got huge, Like we did shows with them and it was kids went crazy for that, Like, wait a meet. I have an idea. We'll do a TV show. We'll like create a boy bend and then they'll go to Oh that's

a good promotional tool. Nickelodeon's a bunch of geniuses, so like you, we'll sell merch right, send, We'll sell t shirts at these kids face on it right, oh, NASA or television production. I mean it's not rocket science right now. All those guys, they are the sweetest like his personality is. He's so nice like and genuinely so grateful for being on Gilmour Girls, Midwestern kid kancers. Boy right, we should we take a break, and then should you drop your

knowledge on us? Whose knowledge yours? Your big knowledge, your big secret, and you're big about gnomes. I don't know anythings. What do I look like? A normalogist? Not the thing you've been telling us about for days? Ah Uh. I don't know if it's time to drop it, but I'm gonna drop it anyway. I think Riley, you might be ready right now. You prepped break first with a lot of people. Don't worry about it. We're dropping bombs over I mean some rory somehow. Riley knows about it. Sweet okay,

and ready to take the breaks. Everybody get rid. Listen, I think we better. We made a mess of the place. Let's just bring some mops in and mop it up and we'll come back after these breaks. Yeah, alright, everybody, we're back. And I am in uh cahoots with Eastern our tech guy. But he was called off on assignment today. He's got some huge, top secret assignment. I don't know. He was sworn a secrets. He couldn't tell me what it is. We're very disappointed we don't have him on

this show today. But uh, he has tasked Riley, who has been properly headed by all the appropriate agencies and u and tested and she is now controlling the video here. So Riley, why don't you queue up that first picture because there's this quite a bombshell. Now, Amy, nothing about this. I'm going to tell the truth. I have no idea. I know we took great pains to keep this from you, and trust me, you have eyes and ears everywhere. And

that was no task this. I think this is the future episode and it's like maybe season three or all right, So do you notice anything unusual about this photograph? Amy? So I'm looking at a photo of the diner and lor Lyon Rory at the counter and you and you're you know, you're the one that sort of sprung this clown pillow thing on the world. Many fans beat you to the punch, but you were stute enough to to follow up on the clown the blue mug, and I see the thing of muffins, and I see some people

in the background eating. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's not okay. I see where it says food in the window. I see the curtains, I see the new shelves, I see the catch up thing. I give you a hundred dollar if you get it. Well, just give me a second, give me a second. We're giving you plenty of it. We're giving okay. I see the burgers and the fruit. The blue mug should just tell you hold. I see the grandpa in the background, and then there's a good grandma,

and then there's a couple. I need a hint, am I should I be looking up towards the counter or more in the back. I'm not telling you. Oh my god, guys, this is so stressful that should you reveal it or should we put this on social and see if anyone else, or should we just reveal it. I think we just reveal it, because you know, these Gilmore fans already know this this is kind of a thing. Does it have to do the catchup bottles? I'm not telling you. I'm

not giving any clues. I feel Riley and I are being very generous with you, but even sure right, I can see Riley's face like she fully knows. What's this thing in the back? Here? See that chair? And there's like a weird black thing in the window. What is that? Is that it? What is that? What is that? Should we do a warmer or colder? Yeah? Yeah, yeah? Can you do that? Do is it near the muffins? I'll leave just scoff. He wants to do a warmer colder because I know this is warmer it happen? Does that

have to do with the muffins? Warmer? It's in the m What is that weird creepy thing in the muffin? Is it like a there's like a weird muffin that looks like an alien muff All right, Riley, let's uh, let's show her the picture. Oh my god, am I am I close with the alien muffin? Let's show the close up. Guys. This is crazy. I'm so stressed. I don't know what it is. Yes, so I was right, there's alien muffin. That's Scooby Doo. So is there always an alien muffin in the muffin? What would you call that?

Canister muffin? It's like an take plate, but it has muffins are why is that one muffin? So whack? It looks like a snail muffin or bunny muffin and alien muffing. That's Scooby Doo. That's a plastic figurine of Scooby Doo. Yes, that's what I'm saying. It looks like a bunny that's Scooby Doo. That's Scooby Doo. So is that in many episodes? I believe that it is God. I believe that the prop guys had fun. They sure did, and I sort of on it. It took me an hour. Sorry everybody,

thrilling for everyone listening. We but you did pretty good. We're gonna spot the Scooby Doo. We're gonna spot Yes, now it's about the Scooby Doo in the dinner. It looks like something from Men in Black to me, Riley, Yes, okay, pop culture? Is it time? Oh? Were ready for pop culture? Yeah? Oh my goodness, so we're not. We have to discuss the episode more. For God's sake, there's so much more, but we're running late. We might have to do a

two parter because we were already late. What didn't we cover, Well, we didn't talk about Lane and she is looking for her record collection, but maybe we'll cover that in pop culture. I think we could have talked about Max more and that's you know. Otherwise, I think we're we're getting there right Amy. That was a perfect cueue for pop culture because we're gonna go right in and Lane has a list for Rory to pick up at the record store for her. Lane says, okay. Charles Mingus, the Black sat

in the center, Lady the Sonics. Here are the Sonics, m C five kick out of the out of the James Fairport Convention, Lesion, leave BIG's Odessa. So we're gonna go through this. Charles mingus most famous song is Goodbye pork Pie Hat. The sonics top hit is the which which was released in November nineteen sixty four and considered

a stepping stone in their career. M C five's they were mentioned in two thousand and one this episode, but their biggest hit song is Looking at You, which was originally created nineteen sixty eight and released in two thousand eleven on their most well known album. Back in the USA, Fairport Convention is known for their song where the Time Goes, released in nineteen sixty nine, and finally, the BIG's biggest

hit is dan Altt, released in nineteen seven. I had heard of none of those bands than the Detroit While you look that up, Riley, because I think Patti Smith married the guitar player Fred's Sonics Fred Sonics Smith from MC five. My love of the BGS is strong and I enjoy that. Lane added that into her repertoire because everyone should have the b GS, and it kind of breaks my heart the only Berry is still around, but I do love the Begs. Lincoln Park, Michigan, MC five,

Lincoln Partment. Yeah, so that's yeah, That's that's yeah. Next, Lorelai invites Jess and Luke to dinner. Lorea Li says, Suki will cook, Roy will be there, It'll be hey, welcome to stars Hollow and see everyone here who's not straight out of the Flinny film kind of evening. Frederico Fellini was an Italian film director and screenwriter known for his distinctive style, which blends fantasy and baroque images with earthiness. Some of Linny's films included Ginger and Fred Juliette of

the Spirits in Casanova. His love for theater started an early age, prompting him to run away and join the circus when he was only twelve years old. You know, I think it's unfortunate that Fellini's name is synonymous with conversations that people have trying to describe weirdos that they have encountered in their lives, and they lacked the facility to describe the weirdo um using their own words, so they say something along the lines of like it's like

something out of there. There's something out of there, like something out of a Fellini film, right right. That's that's the remembrance he gets most of the time, and he changed cinema forever. This next one Jesse's Rory's collection of books,

and Jesse says, wow, aren't we hooked on phonics? I hooked on Phonics is a commercial brand of educational materials originally designed for reading education through phonetics, and add said after learning only one eighteen minute music gold cassette, students can read a one page book money back guaranteed. It's famous phone number one A hundred A B C D E F G is now owned by a law firm. That's wild. I was definitely hooked on phonics. I was apparently didn't help for this as part of my career.

But jessin Marlee are fighting on the porch. Jess says, you don't know anything about me or my life, or my mom or Luke, So why don't you Dr Laura somewhere else? Laura's Lessing Juror, better known as Dr Laura, is an American talk radio show host and Dr Laura holds multiple trophies from sailboat racing and a black belt in martial arts. Dr Laura is in the National Radio Hall of Fame and she is still on the radio to this day at the age of seventy, and she's

known for her tough love. Dr Laura always signs off her show with now go do the right thing. Sometimes I find myself getting sucked into Dr Laura. Really, if you stumble upon it, yeah, didn't you say you? Riley? When Ryan and I were talking her mom listens to Doctor Laura and fun fact, I called Dr Laura for advice when I was ten or eleven? Could she answer? She definitely had tough love. I think I cried more from her advice than you got on with doctor. I did. Yeah.

I called her because I was like having a fight with my friend at the time and I wanted some advice. Do you have a tape of it? I don't think so, no, but we need to find that. Oh my god, what ten year olds like? You know what I'm gonna do? We call Dr Laura. You you're the weirdest kid I was. I was definitely young. Yeah, I mean I told you my mom's fantsay. She's like, why don't you call Dr Laura. She didn't want to give me advice, she just wanted

to Laura's talk to me. Anyways. He's right there, She's like, She's like, just called Dr Laura. Rory is uncomfortable as she is about to Rory is uncomfortable as she is about to interview Max. Rory says, sit, sure, that's good. Barbara Walter sits or walks sometimes if the person she's talking to has a horse or a ranch or a big backyard sometimes, but usually she just sits. Barbara Jill Walters is American broadcast call doctor Laura keep going. I

love Barbara Walters. I'm sorry. Barbara Jill Walters an American retired broadcast journalist, author, and television personality. She only wears one contact lens. While working with the other lens, she can read the teleprompter, but with two she would not be able to read her notes. Barbara is in the Television Hall of Fame and actually has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Barbara is the mastermind behind

the talk show The View. She put her together the initial panel of women, serving on it herself from until she retired into that and fourteen. She's alive today and ninety two years old, and two of her most famous interviews are Patrick Swayze when he revealed he had pancreatic cancer and Obrah which she said was one of her most emotional interviews. And finally, Barbara had a pre Oscar special for twenty nine years. He still I used to watch all those love it. Laura Lae is upset after

talking with Jess on the porch. Laura Lee says, Luke says, where as Jess Morrell says, outside working on his breakfast club audition, He's getting good. It's so true, he is a bit Judd Nelson E. What was Jed Nelson's character, John Bender? Yes, this is the reference to John Bender on The Breakfast Club American Team Coming of age comedy drama film. Judd Nelson's clothes in the movie are the outfit he auditioned in for the role of John Bender

and the Dan drift. At that Allison Ali, sheety um shakes into her pencil drawings for snow was achieved by sprinkling parmesan cheese in her head and it's not actually her Dran Dandre. Of which people we should all remember that Judd Nelson's character does sort of make out with Molly Ringwald's character, which would be the Rory a good girl. That's a great connection. You can't I can't see Rory and Ever ending up in detention. No, why did Molly

Ringwald end up in detention? Don't know. I don't remember. She couldn't have been that good a girl. M Laura la is telling Luke he should think about what he's doing before taking just in. Loralai says, yes, I respect that, but what if he turns out to be freddo Frederico core Leon is a fictional character in Mario Puzzo's nine novel The Godfather. Freddo is played by John Cazale in the nineteen seventy two classic film, and the early buzz on this movie was so positive the sequel was planned

before the first film was even finished filming. The cast had rehearsal sessions that simply consisted of the main cast sitting down in character for a family meal. And the horsehead in the movie, which is very famous, wasn't a prop. It was actually a real horsehead. Claire Molly Ringwald ended up in detention because she cut class to go shopping, So you're right, Rory would not do that, but sorry.

The morning after the fight, Rory and Laurel stand outside of Luke's diner and Laura Lee says, Rory, this was a bad one. Okay, this was not Nick and Nora. This was Sid and Nancy and I'm not going in there, which is also the name of the episode. So Nick

and Nora Charles are fictional characters. In the novel The Thin Man, Nick is played by William Powell and Nora by Myrna Lloyd Skippy, who played asked to the dog bit Myrna Lloyd during filming in real life and going over to Sid and Nancy also known as Sid and Nancy Love Kills is six British film starring Gary Oldman and Chloe Webb. According to Gary Oldman, he disliked the script and dislike punk music, but he accepted the role because of the salary, and so this is a reference.

Nick and Nora were very loving and pleasant together. Their fights were more like conversations where Sid and Nancy would curse and scream at each other. Laura Lee is asking about Jess and what he's like. Loraa La says, well, you might want to find out. Ask a couple of subtle questions. You know, has he seen the Shawshank Redemption? The setting seemed homey to him. The Johank Redemption American

drama film starring Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman. Stephen King never cashed his royalty check for five thousand dollars for rights to the film. Several years after the movie came out, King got the check framed and mailed it back to the director with a note inscribed, in case you ever need bail money, love Steve Uh. To prepare for the role, Tim Robbins actually spent time in solitary confinement. He asked to be locked in solitary for a while to get

the feel for it. That would be terrifying Morgan, Him and Tim Robbins reunited in Zwa to Najo on Mexico's West coast. Finally we have Rory asked what Luke's nephew Jess is like, and loral I says, well, he's not going to be subbing for the new Dodo on the Regions show anytime soon. Let's put it like that. So, Regis Philbin spent twenty eight years on the show from three to two thousand and eleven. Even though re Just became one of the most successful people in the history

of TV, it didn't start out that way. His first national talk show lasted only about four months before cancelation. Regis also appeared in a numerous UH movies and television shows as himself, such as MS Congeniality, Cheaper by the Dozen,

Thirty Rocks Signed Filled, and Spin City. Sadly, re Just passed away in eight years old, and his co host over the years include Sarah Purcell, Cindy Garrett Garvey and Abernathy, Cathy Lee and Kelly Rippa and that's it for your pop culture is like one of the best movies of all time. It really It's okay. I have two favorite lines. We already know. My first one, I have no patience for jam hands. I love this one. I am in so far over my head, I can't see my hat.

Keep taking my lines. Sorry, I messed it up. Let me read it better. I have been so far from my head I can't see my own hat. And then she says, just try turning it around. So when the great line for you was her saying try turning it around, Well, yes, it's the boat. It's you saying I'm in so far o from my head, I can't see my own hat. Yeah, that's the great line. No, but then it's for lie being so subtle. Try turning it around because you wear your hat back or I laughed out loud on that line.

I made myself laugh. I laughed so hard. But jam hands, oh my god, jam hands. Mine was from Luke. He's talking with Loria Lyon. He says, way around what this is stars hollow, You take three left turns and you're back to the center of town. It was quite an episode for all Luke, wasn't it. Really was. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna be three out of three and he's going on to Hollywood. He's got my golden tacket town. Um, it's a note for me, dog, give your line. I'm

sorry anyway. Um, Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Look, I don't pat myself on the back, but I'm gonna do it. Now with the hatline, what do you say? I don't even know what it is so far over my head, I can't see my own hat. What do you say? I'm in so far over my head, I can't even see my own hat. Yeah, and she's trying to turn it around. Ye, that's I'm not now, that doesn't jam hands. I have no patience for jam hands. It's all right, it's a cute thing. Whatever. I didn't think it was

hysterically funny. It was fine. It's a good rant. But now the hat thing was was funny. Maybe great episode props to you, because great episode from Luke. Yeah he's mad. I mean this is his, This was his episode, and God bless my low so happy to have them. Yeah, this is gonna be interesting. I mean, it really is gonna be interesting. How the season premiere weirdly to me, even though it's not, it felt that big and good and like this was this It almost feels like he

should have been involved in the from the beginning. Yeah, in some way, shape or form, but he was in the form of Dean correct, even though I'm still team Logan. Sorry, And I think the the you know, the mythological multiheaded dragon that is the the character that's going to try to keep Rory out of Harvard is represents men all of these fellows. Right, what is that character called in Greek mythology? We're gonna have to call Kevin O'Leary to find out. I don't know. I did read the Iliad

and the odds, how did I? But what's this? What's this? Five headed dragon? Six headed dragon? What is that? What the heck is that? Riley? And also what's next week's episode? Next week's episode is episode six presenting Lore Like everybody, thanks for the downloads and all the emails, keeping comming to the best fans on the planet, and we will see you next time. Stay safe everyonet hey, everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email us at Gilmore at I Heart

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