I Can Mock Stuff (S6 E5 "We've Got Magic To Do")

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Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one of the productions I Heart Radio, uh Season six, episode five, We Got Magic to Do. I am joined by my Intrepid crew, and what a crew it is. Of crew of cruise. We just want a Crewey and I've got tar Suit, I've got Suzanne French. You know her, you love her, You're getting to really love Susanne French. Amy still recovering from that little We want a Crewey, we want a Crooey and Amy Sugarman. There she is, There,

Yeah, dare we say the fan? What's like to be the fan favorite? Even though Scott and I've been trying for years.

It's it's really it's really stressful, actually, because I feel like I can't even make the smallest mistake. And I was listening to last week's episode and realized that I read something wrong in the synopsis. And I don't know if it was written wrong or my brain just substituted it, but I feel like a failure, so I that, yeah, it hasn't been so I have a couple of therapy sessions and I should be okay soon.

It's that might have it easier because the bar is so low for us.

And then I'm like right in the middle. O, no, I would, I would put you up there.

And so I don't see a lot of critiques.

I did get someone who says something nice and I only saw it because they tagged me.

What did they say? What did they say?

They said, I'll pull it up.

Well a shout out, because I haven't getten a lot of people agreeing with me lately. So I'm feeling pretty good and I hope I don't blow it.

They called me the queen, That's what it was.

Queen, You're the queen though that's never happened for scotton me. Oh, I have some hot takes on this episode, so we'll see how it goes.

Well.

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Yeah, that's why are you so dressed up?

I'm not. It's a little chili in the in the unit here, and I just put on a shirt. I only brought one, So I.

Wait, your shirt is super nice and your glasses are super cool.

Are the is new? No, I've had these glasses for a couple of years.

I feel like you don't wear them enough.

Maybe a combo of the shirt and the glasses.

Yeah.

Do I look like a literature professor?

You look a little bit like a professor.

You have elbow patches almost, they're good?

No, looking good?

Oh? I got my shirt on. I only brought the wine. I brought it one.

I brought one from the set. Do they frown upon that?

I don't like to. I sometimes pill for socks because they have such high quality socks.

And people don't want to wear that. They're not going to re wear socks.

It's great, especially not my socks.

Yeah, right, little right right among us. No, I will admit I have he's had a bout with that because my brothers, like when we were on vacation, we'd have to take share a shower. Obviously not at the same time, but my brothers and I would always get athletes.

But anyway, that's why I have shower shoes. It's tough shower shoes. Yeah, we all used to dress. When I was playing playing pro ball, you know, we all showered together and that's my big showers and everybody had shower shoes.

Mice already had separations though it wasn't It was like a big shower, but like you couldn't they had walls.

You know, I did forget my I did take a shower with Joe DiMaggio. It's just me and taking a shower that one spring training, and I forgot my shower shoes. So I almost got Joe Demaggio fungus. It might be t m I I didn't quite get it, didn't quite get I understand. Yeah, So is everybody watching Sullivan's Crossing? Are you breath watching each episode? What do you think? Tell me what you think.

I don't want to have a spoiler, wow, because there was like a shocking thing with your character.

What was that?

Am I right? I don't want to ruin it.

I think that's enough. That's good.

Yeah, I mean that's not a tease. I don't know what it is.

There are ten cliffhangers. There's ten episodes, and there's ten ten cliffhangers at the end of each episode. So anyway, so CW Wednesday nights, eight pm, seventh Central, check it out. Anyway, who's synopsizing? Is it Suzanne Frank?

She doesn't blow it again.

I know, I gotta like get my act together here, So let me give this a try, all right. We have season six, episode five, We've Got Magic to do This aired on October eleventh, two thousand and five.

The stove catches.

Fire at the end, and laurel I has to call Richard to deal with the insurance money. Rory organizes a dar event, which goes remarkably well until the Huntsburgers arrive unannounced. Meanwhile, larel I attends a bizarre school recital and Luke feels slighted for not being invited.

So much to discuss.

This was a episode I was waiting for foremost and foremost the hunt, So I'm gonna just get decor out of the way.

The Huntsburger's house, which we only briefly saw in the recap, is amazing, So the set or their house if you want to pretend it's real, or if you want to talk about TV set is phenomenal. And I must once again say the pool house decor, like the interior design, is epic. It's like very lot of fabrics, a lot of patterns, a lot of colors. But I am totally in.

And it's it's like a Hampton's house. It's like a French country estate, and it's just so well done.

It's beyond it's amazing. Whoever came in and actually did the design of that pool house and get me their number, seriously. And I will refer to it throughout this conversation as face acting, because there was a lot of face acting in this Yep, yeah, Richard, Emily Luke.

You're right now that no, I mean I saw it face acting.

Leanne Hunley, Missus Huntsberger. Face acting.

It's called listening. All I have to do is listen and then your face will act it.

Oh. I feel like.

Your eyes will reflect it, your thoughts will will form the facial acting expressions. Face acting.

Kelly Bishop with some intense face acting, But I digress.

I tell you something. We've redefined the acting terms. You were going to come out of a come out with a book Great Face Acting with Amy.

And Unbelievable Dancing by Richard and Emily, because I believe Kelly Bishop was like a professional ballerina, yes, a.

Dancer, jazz dancer, the whole thing, yea.

And that's why she was on butnheads.

That's why she was on butnheads, which stay tuned. Amy and Tara will be discussing butnheads at some point, don't you worry? Uh? Okay, So we do the recap, which was particularly dramatic, and then we go into the Luke and Lorelei come into the diner with all the shopping bags and the craziest pink underwear I have ever seen in my entire life. It was Yeah, I hated that whole cold open.

I hate you did tell us why let's get into it.

I didn't like I mean we you guys have talked in the past about some things that some elements that don't age well over time, and this was one thing that comes up a lot is the fat shaming, and this was a classic example of it. It just was really bothersome.

What was said specifically.

Well, when they pull out the giant pair of pink panties and Laurlin makes some comment about.

A size or something, right, Yeah.

Something about I'd hate to be wrapped around the woman that fits these or something like a really obnoxious comment like that, which you know, it wasn't very nice then and it really isn't nice now. I don't know it just that they were doing it for humor value, I guess, but it wasn't funny to me.

It wasn't good. It gets worse when Emily goes too. That was. That was rough, but we'll talk about that when we get to it. Aside from that, I thought the shopping sort of bit was funny, and I think a velcrow wallet has to go as well.

Yes, you could see.

Luke kind of like having that. How I can't make a bell crow sound, but if somebody could, Yeah, wow, he's a voice actor, a face actor.

Hey, maybe I can face act the velcrow hang.

On glasses off.

That was actually really good. And I did love when her phone rings and Luke just points at the sign and goes it still applies changed. That was that was really good. And we got a little glimpse of her ring again, which I really like her engagement ring. It's it's like delicate, it's it looks antique, which I assume it is because Kirk took it off a dead lady.

You know.

I I like the ring. I like that I'm seeing that. I don't know. I just you know, I didn't hate to open that much. And I thought the fire starter stuff was a little bit funny. There's another fire.

Then it was all yeah, kind of what she had the good line, don't walk behind the library to catch on fire.

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was all fine, nothing.

Like, hey, when you see those two together, it's gonna be okay. Yeah, right, even if it's not like fall down funny. I agree, well and they and even when you know that Suzanne's gonna throw the flag right, it's I don't mind those two together.

The part I didn't get was Luke and Jackson bickering. I'm like, why were they doing that? Like those two get along? I didn't. I didn't really. You know, when you're trying to fig you're out the oven situation and they are bickering and don't really get that. I was like, those two are They're not going to bicker, They're going to be in it together. But I mean, whatever, tiny tiny flag, the.

Lines are there. You got it. You gotta say them.

I don't know them, do you know? Oh you're saying. I know you're saying. I needed to say right now, right, you had to say them correct.

Whether the lines are there, right, you gotta make it.

If you don't think in tracks right, right, there's nothing to do but it. And I didn't understand why the insurance company had never heard of them, even though I get it's a ploy to get Richard there, but that was sort of like, right, anyone thoughts on.

That, Tara, you have a flag, you're throwing a flag on the plane.

We're not there yet though, so I don't know.

Okay, all right, we'll put it back in your pocket and let's then okay.

So I actually enjoy the scene on the patio. So now we go to the patio and all the ladies are there with Rory, and she's very you know, dressed, her hair and her outfit. It's very she's really playing the part. The patio scenes always bug me though, because they're clearly not outside, and I don't know why that's so annoying to me, But the ladies are classic. They're

I would say, yeah, I think for me. I know last week I said like I just feel like Rory's not herself, out of her element. But for some reason in this episode, because she was so in control and she was on top of her her game, it kind of worked like it worked for me, you know, especially notched up around. But like you know, she's calling people and she's saying it's sold out and all this and that, and she's like that's the Rory. We know.

She gets she gets it done. She doesn't slack.

Yeah.

Yeah, and if you put on a great party, that's that's a real ye.

I mean Emily Emily was like you're sold out?

What?

And also not for nothing, whether she's left yell or not, putting on an event like that is a big deal. That's like like that's not just nothing. So I kind of thought she should be proud of herself. They should, everybody should be proud. That's a respectable, amazing job she did. But I'm feeling the return to Yale, like we're getting there, they're all starting to figure this out.

I hope. I don't know what happens, but I hope she goes back soon. And I like this episode and I like what she was doing here too. I agree with you her, but I'm ready for it to get back to Yale.

And get back in the mix.

Yeah, we'll talk about Paris. For me, was not enough logan in this episode, but we'll get to like one moment. But this is the scene I disliked the most. Coming up next, and it is lore Lion Luke at Suki and Jackson's house for the dinner.

Which was my flag.

There's parts of it that I loved. The dinner looked amazing, but nobody tells me, like one and a half the old kid.

To see.

It's awful. Did anybody feel like this is all? I don't want to use the A word, but it was the word children to scream at them.

Like that, Well, that was my I was like the top. That was my fin on this episode. I was like, you're yelling by the way, It's like if it was a joke once, I would kind of laugh at it, like if it was once they panted the one year old, but it was just like if you don't turn it off, like no t for the week, and this kid doesn't know how to use a remote.

This kid can't walk. I barely think you doesn't. It's one thing if you're yelling at a twelve year old like the dam like I don't know where they going for a Lucy and Ricky like I couldn't figure out what was.

It was very out of pocket with this episode too.

Yeah, how to pocket Wow, Tara Wow.

My I agree with that. My husband was watching it with me last night and he's because I turned the volume down because I cannot even stand that scene. So I just I can't stand the way they're shrieking. So I turned the volume down and my husband was like, why is this scene even in this episode? And they're trying to show how patient Luke is with all of this, Yeah,

So I don't hate the episode, but the scene is. But the other thing is, like, there, Luke is not going to sit there eating his dinner like a weirdo while all this crap's going on, you know, feeding the dog with the fork and the baby and like.

Right, because he's so whipped, he just wants.

To be his dinner. All he would have taken his plate up. What Luke would have done is like hey, when they all kind of like got up and were moving around and she's being the dog with the fork, he would have just taken his plate into the kitchen and sat on the stool or whatever.

Or at least given a couple of looks, you know, turn.

His chair the dog right, Like I understand what they were doing with it. They were trying to show that Luke is you know, he's here to port Laura. He loves doing whatever she wants to do. Like that was the point, which was the point of the whole episode. But we didn't need this. Why I feel like we could to cut this out, dealt with the other Luke and Lorelei scenes and that was enough.

We didn't even need the storyline.

The storyline, No, I agree, but if you want it is.

Not like I don't know how to say this. This appropriate language, like lucas not a sap. Is that the him's guy not at all. They are very equal. So I was like, this is just and Luke will go camping if he wants to go camping. And he's not going to go camping. He's not going to do anything he doesn't want to do. And he's also not going to be butt hurt. That was the other thing, right.

I was just gonna say, he comes back all butt hurt and I just want to be with you, and I'm happy and being with you. I don't care what it.

Really he's not doing that. He would have never gone camping. He would have been like Laura, I'm going to the Patty Show with you and we're going to like rip on people and have a great time and sneak in some wine whatever it is beer like.

But she even did say there was some dialogue that you know, let me pull out a flag. I'm gonna throw a flag here where she said to him when she was trying to convince him to go to camping, do what you want to do, because she wanted. She actually did want it. She didn't want to go with him, She wanted to go with Suki. So as she stated, so I can have fun and those words to him,

It was Yeah, I forgot about this little storyline, but when I was watching it, I was like, does she just.

Want a girl's and wanted Luke to go away?

Like she could have been like, hey, want to night with me and Suki and Luke would have been totally fine with it.

Right.

What I want to ask you guys, is do we think Lorelei was genuinely being genuine and feeling like she was monopolizing too much of Luke's time and kind of was encouraging him to not not feel so obligated and could go do what he wanted or did she actually not want him to come.

I'm sorry if I felt she did not want him to come and was forcing him out, because after disagree a wait a minute, hang on, let me let me let me just say this. After he came back and he did his butt hurt scene, right, and they had their little heart to heart and he confessed how whipped he is. There was no physical contact between them.

She just left.

She just walked out of the diner. You would expect hug and a kiss and what you know, something right, Yeah, something that was familiar of a relateationship, an intimate relationship.

She just left.

She goes, okay, bye.

I feel like it was Sanne, you give it.

It was a weird storyline.

Taken that I have a thought.

I just felt like, if we go back to the scene where they're screaming at Davy about the TV, they showed her looking at Luke a few times, and so to me, that was her realization that like, oh, you know, he gives up a lot of his own time to do the things that I want to do, and I know he hates coming over here for dinner because these people are crazy, and so I in my mind she was.

You just say I was having Wi Fi issues and I had to watch it on a tiny screen on my cell phone, so I wasn't picking up subtleties like that. So here's interesting.

So here's my take.

So, Susanne, you definitely did pick that up that she was noticing him, that he was tolerated.

Yeah, because she kind of has a look on her face, and I know face acting is not a thing, but it was happening right there. She she had a look in face like, oh my gosh, she's this is really sweet of him to put up with all of this.

Okay, so there was all right. So they tried to really sell the storyline but it didn't work.

That's right, Scott, So that's what I was going to say. So, yeah, I actually think it was authentic the intention, meaning she intent she really does want to make sure, he's doing the things he wants to do with all good intentions, and he really does want to hang out with her with all good intentions. I just think the way they wrote it was.

Bad because it's okay that she wants to have a girl and was Suki, that's not a problem. It's okay that he likes to hang with her.

It's sure that he wants to go camping.

It just just wants to go camping. It's all okay, But it just they tried to turn it as something like this into some kind of big conflict and it really work.

Yeah, it's like an E or an F storyline that they tried to make a B and you're like, this isn't a thing, So do we all agree? Like the scene did not work At Suki and Jackson's, it was weird, although the dinner looked unbelievably delicious, and the storyline is a little off that Luke and Laura are going to be having this sort of problem, but.

Everything else was pretty darn great.

So that let's get to Emily and Richard you can relate to me are the highlight of this whole. So first, Emily's.

A little.

Weird about Rory taking on the event, and I thought it was because she was jealous, but I actually think now it was because she was nervous about it.

Yeah, I agree. You can see going back to that scene where they were sitting on the patio when somebody suggested that Rory take it over, Emily looked very worried. He's not sure that Rory can is ready for that step yet, which I thought was interesting because in the last episode she did that dar event she was stuck in Helsinki and she did a great job. So I thought that was interesting that she was so nervous about Rory.

It was just a little bizarre. Yeah, I don't care about a salmon puff, although I want to try one, I don't think I've ever had one. But I love that Richard has all the confidence in the world and.

Rory always always.

People say I say always, but I'm saying always. It's like he really believes in her more than anybody. Which we'll get to the face acting at the end of the episode in a minute. My one flag though, so he says something like she knew facts of this at three, and she knew this at five, and she knew this at ten. Well, like if they were sort of estranged, did he really know all that? I mean, I think they saw each other from time to time, but.

I think they saw each other on holidays.

Do you think also Loralai would tell them like, oh, my daughter knows this and that.

But I think they know it now, right, I think.

And conversations that have when they reconnected at the beginning of the show, then they've had those conversations at the dinner table. I kind of just stuff that we weren't privy to that they just wanted to get to the conflict.

And yeah, I kind of thought that too, right, Yeah, so okay, So then now we go to the scene in the kitchen with Richard and Laura Lai sort of reunited because of the insurance situation, and it was pretty caustic, Like Loralai was really caustic. I think she says, how are the Hamburglers or something?

Hamburgers?

Yeah, thing, yeah, and he's like they're fine. People's misunderstanding. And then that poor guy with the weird digital camera just in there for that awkwardness.

I thought he was at one called for like her timing at least, or like the way she came off like we I understand you're trying to like get Rory back to Yale, but it just was like your dad came to help you for an insurance thing and the kids, like it just wasn't the right.

Time, Like she was almost trying to pick a fight.

Yeah, she was trying to pick.

But at the same time, it always has bothered me that throughout this string of episodes, Richard and Emily just assumed from the get go that Laura I was lying about the whole thing, and she could have just ask Rory what happened at dinner at the Huntsburgers that night, and they never did yea, And that always kind of bothered me, like they just assumed that Lorelai is lying, So therefore we're not even going to try to find out if anything really happened.

Yet, let me interject here that laurel I has done and said some pretty bizarre things over the past six seasons. I mean, come on, her credibility with them is not I would say, sterling silver.

Even because she's so sort of sarcastic or.

Yeah, I can see that, and I agree with that, but in this particular situation where it would be so easy to just ask Rory the next time she.

Walked in the room.

And they don't even think to do that, Like they never asked Rory what happened at the Huntsburgers. They just automatically assumed that, well, they're very nice people. That couldn't have happened. And so I that just has bothered me in all of these episodes.

Or maybe they're in denial they don't want to deal like not that I think they want it to not be true. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like, if you want something to not be true, you don't want to go digging to make it true because it's really a dig on them. The last of it was a dig that the that the Gillmores aren't worthy of the Huntsburgers, right, And I think.

And Rory is not going to go to her parents and be a whiny tattle tale about it, you know, because she respects their relationship with the hunts Burgers and she just you know, she don't want to deal with it, you know. But I agree that you know, it all could have But then then wor'st the worst the build up over the many episodes or how many episodes, you know, how many episodes ago did that happen. That was what

In It was seven episodes ago. It is the end of the finale, so it's about seven to eight episodes.

Okay, So that's you know, that's a good wait waiting period for the tension to keep building in the audience, to keep acting asking when the heck is this going to get resolved? And bannedit they deliver. So I think it was pretty ingeniously of the whole production and the whole writing team to delay it.

I agree with you. I I don't mind.

Would you would you rather have it resolved right away because they believe Rory and just have it done, or would you rather wait what's more important?

I would rather wait for what we got with the blow up between them, right.

And I think that's been the whole strategy for all of these characters, all these storylines. Let's drag them out as much as we can, and if we got a couple of flags thrown up on us, so be it.

And I don't think she I don't think Rory would have I think she would have not told them, She wouldn't have lied, but she maybe would have. She's so still shaken sideways by.

It and and probably embarrassed by it.

Yeah, that's right, Scott, because.

Maybe there's a part of her that feels like they're right. So she so she's her confidence took a hit. She doesn't really want to come out full guns because she can't.

That's right. A lot of her thinks it's real. That's the whole right, Not so much the dinner, but what Mitcham said at the paper, she quit Yale because of it. She gives these people so much power. So obviously she's not going to talk about it.

But it is. But it is kind of, uh, you know, it's that something such such an event, such an extreme decision to drop out of Yale and move into the poolhouse. You know that they didn't have a deeper talk with her about it and really like, you know, you know, try it out of her almost like what happened? You know? Why? Why weren't they more curious? You know?

Do you think they just didn't want to lose her again because like they didn't have her as a her growing up as a kid, they didn't have her around like they do now. So do you think it was just like, we'll do whatever she wants.

So she stays in a take when she was crying and hugging him. Yeah, and he didn't care about anything, but just like doing what she wanted needed making her feel better, Like he just isn't going to stand up to her and have a conversation about it. When she's like crying to her grandpa, right, He's just like, Okay, you know what, fine, whatever you want, we'll take care of you, right.

Yeah, I mean she's the golden child. They'll give her whatever she wants because the one that, you know, falls in line with what they want, the family image that they want, and so they're gonna, you know, go along with what Rory wants because them.

Yeah, there is there definitely is a logic to it.

And just to go back to the conversation about like the Huntsburgers, like Emily and Richard look at them like they are so important. You can even see it when they're at the slush table, like yeah, like why'd you put them there? You can see like they kind of in well not anymore, but they can do no wrong in Emily and Richard's eyes up until this moment.

Well, which is why the Huntsburgers act the way they act because everyone treats them like royalty, and so they act idiotic.

It's so and Emily even said, there's people and then there's the Huntsburgers, like she's already acknowledging that they're not are above them, Like that's oh.

It's so gross. It's so gross. It's so gross. I hope I never act like that. Oh I don't know. That just makes me gag, but true. So we go to the scene then in the pool house, which this is kind of fun. You know, I just love seeing the pool house. I love I actually love that Logan calls the answers and that Logan helped. He's like, I got the PA you wanted at the price you wanted. I kind of was like, you know what, all right, I'm into that. I love the assistant. I love how

And then Paris shows up. Okay, I think I think this was a great episode for Paris. I agree, really really entertaining great lines. Her attitude shifted immediately into one of servitude, well not serce service, let's say yeah to Rory. I like that subtlety of Rory saying, and you actually Paris should be standing over there said, oh, yes, you're right, I work for you.

There were parts I found amusing, but I didn't love it as much as you guys did.

Oh No, I love I loved her her not that I agree with her, but I loved her anti capitalists screed and her supportive Marxism going to oh you're going to eat lunch now in your special room.

It just makes me think like no one could play that character like the way Eliza did, like only brilliant.

Yeah, yeah, I love this episode. I thought she was hilarious.

It was, it was. It was a lot of lass. It was, it was.

It wasn't my favorite, but I love that you guys loved it.

I didn't.

I just was like, that was really enjoyable because she's, you know, she's she's not being condescending to Rory or really anybody else.

Now she's she's serving Rory, she's being a great about it. Yet now she's she's she's railing.

Capital Oh my god, I know, it's support. I thought it was a good juxtaposition from the Huntsburgers. So for me it was like with their affluence and sort of entitlement and all that. Then we get this other side with Paris, who for the first time is realizing like I don't have twenty dollars, Like I have.

Nothing, right, she automatically has to She's the proletariat. Now.

Yeah, it was more amusing for me because of the hunts Automatically.

She loses their trust. Well, she didn't never trust one. It's four years away. Her parents accounts are frozen by the I R S. She's penniless, so now she's proletariat.

Yeah, in a in a blink.

Yeah, she's so crazy. It was so funny. It was such a turn.

But here's my question. I've always thought it was diddally squatted. She said, doodally squat.

Oh have I been wrong?

One or the other. You can do either.

There's no ruly, Okay, I always say I said the same as you, Amy.

I've never heard of doodley squat. But I was like, tomato tomato tomato, right, Toodley diddly Okay. So I think even though the storyline with Luke and Laura Lai is sort of dumb or yeah, dumb, I think you're right Scott when you say whenever those two are together, it's gonna be okay. And that's how I feel about the kitchen scene. Like when you're making the pasta sauce and you guys are arguing about the pasta sauce and the weird green thing on the it's like kind of nothing,

Like, I don't know, I think it. I think I think at that end of that scene, when the dance, when it was over, after Kirk did his his birth through desk h miming his performance art piece, you know, when the glitter came with the dancers at the end of it and they were very bombarded. I mean, you know, Ski had some good lines at that.

And right Luke Luke could have gone with Luke could have chimed in and been totally a third.

Yeah, he could have been.

Yeah, it's not like it had to he had to replace Suki.

They could have all gone to join.

I don't know. I don't know if I mean, if you listen McCarthy delivering lines, I think you going.

It takes me back to the graduation and Suki was there and so was Luke, and they were all kind of making comments and it was totally amusing.

Even then, they wouldn't have had this sort of fake tension between these two.

I know that, but I'm so does I.

Wouldn't have been able to win. Loop's character made them all laptong.

I would have loved to see you covered in glitter. That would have real. So we'll get to the recital. So first we go back, and now we're at dinner and Rory's on her old timey phone and Emily and Richard are talking, and this is sort of where Emily realizes, like Rory's crushing this. They're turning people away. It's sold out, like right, you know? So that was that was cool.

The theme really got people.

I don't know about the partitions. They weren't needed, and I think we were talking about it off air, but I'll just throw it out there now that we do because we'll get to the party in a minute. We did not care for the table claus that was there was a flag with the blue and white checkered table clause. I just don't want to forget to mention it so because they don't match the theme. That was like more of a you know, pick no down, as Suzanne said off air, and not like a USO. They were a

Well maybe it was in the forties, I don't know.

With a bad toothpick, like an old toothpick with that colored stuff at the top. I don't think they make those anymore.

I mean, I'd be so hungry, I need like a whole play to that.

I literally are a WTF. That appetizer is gross. I can make that. That's not an appetizer.

No, that's like, that's like the stack you go, oh, when you open your fridge and you're just trying to find something to eat.

Accurate for the period?

Was that a usop the forties? What were what time?

Was?

Were we in the forties?

That was World War Two? Sure?

Yeah, that was not an appetizer.

I don't think. Sure it was. It was simple, simple cheese and crackers. People didn't start getting but there was a cracker was It was just it was a.

Shield of cheddar cheese with a green olive. It was really not good.

They didn't have time. They were too busy building weapons.

Probably everything else was being rationed and cheese and all of us all they had left exactly.

I did like Rory's speech with the catering team. You know she was so like, now go do.

You know like she really did you notice the huge red welt that she had on her shoulder during that scene that it was weird. Like when they're walking through the dining room, she was fine, and then when she's in the kitchen talking to the stuff, she has like this big, like a giant red mark right on her color back injury.

What about Logan's finger? Is it healed?

Oh?

I oh that was last episode.

Yeah, he had I know, but.

He had that thing for two episodes.

After two and a half years.

He was cheating while you were pregnant.

We're pregnant.

Yeah, about thirteen women.

More like if I would have stayed married to Max, I think he would have achieved forever it was. It was just toxic relationship.

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Well, okay, before we talk about the party, let's talk about the sad sack camping that was so dumb, just Luke out there like fake camping. I don't remember.

Him camping as much as fishing or is that just me? I think you're right, like he'd go fishing. I don't remember him like going camping overnight, but I could be himself.

There was one time I'm trying to remember. I think it was after that after Jess and Rory got in the car accident and he left for a couple of days.

That's what I was going to say. He only goes camping when he needs like alone time. Yeah, like when he's all upset.

Yeah, he didn't really need it. I mean he stated that very clearly, but I think an uncharacteristic.

Okay, so now let's talk about the party, o epic party. First of all, mac and cheese.

I mean, Richard was thrilled to not have fancy food totally.

Richard was on fire.

His d dancing was amazing episode for him.

Yeah.

So then incomes missus Huntsberger and Rory is really kind of undone by that, and then really undone by Mitcham being there.

That kind of shocked me. Why because I know she's afraid of not afraid, that's not the right word. I know that she's intimidated by what happened and by them in the whole situation. But like, Rory's not one to kind of just like fall apart like that in front of people, and for her to like walk back into the kitchen and like even Paris is like you look pale or you know whatever she said and was like

It's it's just not Rory, Like, it's not Rory Rory saying I hate her, I hate her, I hate her, like three times. I just don't think Rory saying that about her boyfriend's mom, like this is still low Hogan's parents, and like she would just you know, I think she would have been a little bit more together about it and kind of like, you know, like even if she hates her, she's going to be polite to her. That's Logan's mom.

So if you forget it, then what what are we watching them as an audience?

Well, I see where you're going with that, because.

Why you described was just very boring.

Boring.

Yeah, don't you think she would say it more about Mitcham than Shira though, or.

I don't mind the meltdown. She could have just been like freaking out, but just I hate her, I hate her, I hate her. It's like, I don't know, that's so like.

Childish.

Yeah. I was going to say babyish, yeah, and then I thought like, well, it's not babyish, but it's just sort.

Of like I didn't mind it. I thought, uh, you know, if we if we're they're trying to make a swallow that this Mitcham situation crushed her to the point where she left Yale and she just doesn't want to be a journalist anymore, then we have to accept that she's going to react or because it's an overreaction. Obviously now

She hasn't built that resilience that Laura I have because she's never needed to.

Right, She's never needed to.

But you know who is like lor Lai what who? Emily and Richard. That's where she gets it, especially Emily, because we are about to see I mean Richard. Richard was I guess you could say professional about it, but he I saw him like with his fist, he wanted to punch him and he's not. Richard didn't back down to Mitcham. He really pushed Mitcham verbally without going over the top, whereas Emily threw down and was smacking her with her words.

It was like, I love I love these scenes. It just shows that, you know how good at Herman was as an actor. It's just the way it escalated the choices that he made up the ladder of Anger, you know, started out with a mini explosion.

And so what did you say?

What did right? Right? I mean really, I mean it was five degrees. Every room on the ladder was touched and it was just great to watch.

Really, I know, I wrote so juicy. The whole thing was so juicy. And also I think there's something to how tall Richard slash ed Herman is. He's so tall that it actually even if Mitcham was quote the more powerful, I really think Richard was the more powerful in that scene. Like I thought he kind of schooled Richard a bit. He was. I think Mitcham was a little scared, even though he's I don't know Mitchen was so like I think, done.

This on the phone. Got two powerful guys, right, two tough guys, business guys. Who are you know, they're hard asses, these two guys. You know they're both super successful, and nobody's backing down. I did exactly. And you know, Mitcham is not gonna sugar owed anything or he's not gonna lie about what he did. He's gonna own it, and he owned it. But he did it in a way where he thought he could sort of smooth over the situation by being you know, like, hey, you know you're

Come on, right, right, right, right, right right.

Richard was being more emotional about it, whereas Mitcham was more business like, Yeah, have an emotional attachment to Rory like Richard does.

I don't think Mitcham is an emotional person at all though, like even for his own son, that's true, that's yeah, Like he's not. Like I like how it wasn't even an example of like, oh if logan it was like if you had someone working for you know what I mean, Like he can't even put himself in those shoes.

Yeah, that's a good point.

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Well, and we finally do know that the internship was given because of the disastrous dinner, he says, after that disastrous dinner with Shira and Pop and so you you We've always known it, but now it's been acknowledged.

I mean, I think everything that we've talked about over the last couple of weeks, like she stopped on the Yale because of Mitchell, like it was all answered in this one scene.

Yes, so let's discuss how ugly a character and a personality that Mitcham is. Do you agree with that statement? Do you think an odious character? Who is a guy who you know, it's easy to criticize him because he has this sort of militaristic discipline and this Bravora business acumen. He knows how to build companies, and he knows he really knows his business, and he doesn't waste time, and he doesn't mince words.

And mitcham, he's fine. I don't have a problem with him, right do you?

Uh? Yeah, if you're if you've got the daughter of a friend that you and your and your intention is to make up for this mistreatment my family laid on her by giving her a job. I think there's something missing in him that can't see her talent. Everybody else seems to see it, right, He's the only one that doesn't. And even if he believes, then he does, he believes that she doesn't have it. Let's get rid of her. There's another way to do that to preserve So here's

It's not something take it's fair, it's not my take.

Not really so much Rory's reaction to getting crushed. It's really that the crushing happened at all. No, I agree, credulity.

My problem is not with Mitch. Mitcham is a businessman, he's successful, he has all the right and it is just my opinion he has all the right in the world to behave however he wants to behave and run his business. However, he wants to run his business, and he doesn't need to coddle people, even if they're like family friends.

It's not my modeling. Sorry, let me interrupt. It's not people. It's not calling her. It's being mindful that there's a friendship. There's a family behind her, they know each other, their their kids are dating. There's got to be the dating thing. There's got to be a sensitivity there towards that, and in respect towards that. It's like he could have done it another way.

Sure, but my beef has always been with Rory. Sure, fair, that's the dad in you. I appreciate all that. My thing is.

More of an emotional intelligence thing. It's like, but he didn't right, That's what I'm saying.

He's a little bit of an ass. So he's a little bit of an ass. He's a little bit too abrupt, he doesn't have his bedside manners, not great whatever. My beef has always been with Rory letting it be her undoing. It's like, dude, this guy does not need to take you down because he once said maybe you're not good enough. It's just like, okay, come back strong. And he actually acknowledged that.

I was about to say he said that, and it's what I say.

And she should have done She should have come back harder, or she should have worked harder, or she can do what she wants. It's just my opinion. The person that's not nice is missus Huntsburger. She is gross. She's like and Emily was gross in this too. They were equally just sort of you.

Why are you accusing Emily being gross?

Because the things she said she couldn't done.

It was one of the great Gilmore speeches of all time. Don't I think she could say in her place?

Correct? I think she should put her in her place. I don't think she needed to do it by calling her fat and saying her husband cheats on her. It's like that part was gross. It's like Emily's better than that. Be more clever, be better, and really do the same thing, but be so smart about it that you own you crush her without having to tell her her husband cheats on her and she's I think the reason goes up.

And I did like Emily's little speech to her. I do think the weight thing was low, but I think she was trying to get as low as sheer it does. And I think she would have like, yeah, I understand it's not going.

Down to her level, so that Shira understands that she's gotta she's fighting a bad ass to Then I would.

Have said it, this is what I get it, and I love Emily, and I thought it was.

That you can understand you know that.

I think you just do it a little bit more like, look, I don't know enough to know how I would do it, but I think I would have said, you know more of the like, don't you dare mess with me in this way because I know where all the bodies are buried?

And but what what why not why address it at all? If she's so hyphalutin done them, why not just not even address it and then do things behind her back to destroy her? And that there.

I think you go in through well, I don't think it's over, but I think you go. I don't think it's Emily is not the type to do it behind her back. Emily is going to go to her face, and I think Emily had plenty to say to her. What It's just my opinion. You know, when two women get at it, do it be stay classy, you know what I mean, and you're gonna like it's gonna go way further. In my opinion, that low blow was beneath Emily when Emily's right, being right is the way better,

It is definitely an iconic pill more moment like this is the fans love that that Emily put her in her place. I do see the point that maybe, oh yeah, the good emails, probably yeah, so hey. I mean, I don't know, I think Emily, I Amy. I do agree with you that it didn't need to get that personal. But at the same time, it was it was fun to watch, like it was fun to see somebody take Shira down a notch because she is so horrible and so elitist and snobby, and so it was.

Well, that's why I liked the dig. That's why I liked the dig better. When she said you were nothing until you yea wormed your way into the Mitchen's life, that to me was like putting her in her place, saying you were less than even us or whatever. Like the whole thing is. Look, I have to acknowledge, the whole thing is pretty gross, right, Like we have missed the same in many you have are many, We've done many too in these kids. You can see it's just like ugh. If I was like, I don't want to

I definitely think that like the one I mean, I agree the weight thing was, I would have not said that. I think the husband cheated on you know. And then the line that she said leading into her speech about money, I was like, did we really need It's like, I just I understand money is so important to them, but I'm like, did we need that? It's just I don't know, Like I see what you say, Amy.

Like Olivia Pope would not have said it that way. Yeah, that's my point.

That's a very good Yeah.

That Olivia Pope would have gone up. For those that don't know, this is from scandal, Olivia Pope carry Washington from scandal. Yep, she would have gone up. She still would have gotten her grill and she would have put her in her place, but she would have done it different and it would have been smarter, and it would have been more would have been harsher in a way, like.

All right, let me ask you this, knowing now what we know about missus Huntsburger, if Emily is able to get down on her level and talk to her in a way that's going to rip her the most, do you do you think that that proves that that's maybe where Emily came from too.

No, because Emily's fancy. I think Emily's pretty fancy.

Do we know a lot about Emily's background?

We know enough.

Well, she went to Yale with with Richard, Like it sounds like Shira didn't go to Yale.

Yeah, Emily went to Yale.

She went.

Right nearby.

Yeah, this this comes up a lot because Yale wasn't co ed at the time. So she went to.

Smith. I think she went to Smith, right.

Those things that she went to the games with with Richard and stuff, That's why I made me think of that.

Yeah, and had like your all male schools and then they would do things with the all female schools and like games and mixers and things.

It sounds like Emily is this is I don't want to come off the wrong way. It sounds like the way she's saying is that Emily is educated and Shira is not.

Yeah, and Emily comes from quality stuck as opposed to Shira whom Yeah, she just yeah, Look, I just feel.

No.

I look, I feel like I'm all about the confrontation. I'm into it and putting her in her place. I just thought there was a lot of like low blow jazz, like I think about Emily and Penalin lot like they didn't do that. But you know what I'm saying, Like.

I don't know. I was very satisfying to hear that speak.

Look, I love the I said, I love the I think it was satisfying because we've been waiting for this moment for like Richard and Emily to snap out of it.

It really was, we just had to go in an empty outer yea reload and empty and again you know Emily couldn't be.

A little Caddy. I think I didn't. I don't love I didn't love it when she was very catty about that constant woman either and they were like it was very gossipy and Caddy. It's just not I don't love it. I don't hate it. I just don't love it.

Well, it's it's interesting because you know we see Emily not being her best but while she's being her best self.

Yes, yeah, you know, I think there's some I think, look and I'm maybe going on a tangent and everybody can like rip me. In Missus masl you have some similar there's confrontation. I feel like as a writer, it's almost like the writing has evolved and become better. The mic drops are sort of I don't know, it's not quite as Caddy. It's a little bit more like I said, Olivia Pope was trying to think of another person like in Mazel. There's definitely confrontations that are written.

Better. Sure, I mean, artists continue to learn and grow, uh per project, so you know, everything that they learned from Gilmour, they took it too.

It was also written by definitely what it was written by d damn.

Yeah, really I just have to maybe, Okay, so I'm just gonna throw something crazy out there. Y'all can yell at me, everybody yell at me. The confrontation was written the way a man would do that confrontation, not the way a baller woman, oh would have that conferdation.

I can really see that now that I now that we're digging more into like watching it.

Women just don't. I don't. I just don't think they. I wouldn't like I think certain women would.

I don't think not all.

I don't think throwing down would Emily.

No, because you know what, menat pauses a bitch and nobody's gonna throw down. No sixty something year old woman is throwing down on another woman about weight going up and down not happening, especially those women. No way that would bond them, just saying they'd be like, oh no, girl, right sucks.

I guess Dan was trying to write something where it was going to be easy to understand that, and it had to be clear that Emily was done with this woman, you know, so it had to Yeah, maybe you're right, Maybe you're right. I don't disagree with that.

We'll let everybody weigh in, because now maybe Emily would have would have squashed her like a bug.

Right, it's an interesting point. It's an interesting point. Maybe a man can't write that monologue. Yeah maybe maybe, Yeah, interesting point. You're still bombarded, gonna.

Get I will get. Yeah, I'm anxious to read because it's like, it's interesting. It was good, know and look, it might be my twenty twenty three eyes, but like fat is not all right?

Okay, rough dude, it's I understand, but it's like I got it.

And the cheating one you could have done classier but still done it. I could have I could have been here for that. Do you know what I mean?

That one?

I would have written it different. Yeah, just saying everybody weigh in. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying that was sort of hang on.

Oh god, I just got a text. It's amen, Dan, they want us to rewrite the episode. Congratulations.

I thought you actually got a text. I was like, what happened?

Okay? We give our ratings and I didn't do favorite lines, although I did have a lot.

Oh there's so many going.

Through my paper. Was my favorite line.

What was great?

Oh my god, it was so.

Read it.

No, let's do favorite lines. Taraw, what's your Okay, that's your taraw? What's your favorite line?

I honestly like that line too.

Sorry, but you're not able to like, you can't do jokes on top of other people's jokes. You can't do favorite lines on top of Yeah. Yeah, that's a new rule that was slipped in and during a vacation where nobody attended, got it, just like they do in Washington. Go ahead, they passed the bill. So now you can't do so you're gonna have to pick another one.

We'll come back to that favorite line.

So I have to acknowledge it's not my favorite line, but I have to acknowledge when Richard said what she tackles, she conquers, because that's like a classic borism. But my favorite line was actually Laurel I when she saw Luke coming back from camping, and she says, why are you back so soon? Were the woods closed?

Oh yeah, that was funny. That actually was funny. It was delivered so.

Well, Tara, I don't have one.

I'm so sorry on there were a lone. Honestly, anything, Paris says usually gets a laugh out of me, so right.

I think Paris had a lot of great lines. I really the one I truly remember the best is a laurelized line at the end. It's like you would have you would have thought they ran out of glitter.

Oh my god, I got Yeah. That was good.

She was there born. It's like a lot of glitter. Okay, what are we rating, Tara?

I am going I actually really minus the the Luke and Laurel I storyline. I really liked the episode. I am going to give it eight point nine mm Suki cold sandwiches.

Okay, Suzanne, what are you? What are you rating it?

I'm kind of hot and cold on this episode. I'm going to give it seven handfuls of.

Glitter, eight velcrow wallets.

Ah, let me see, I'm going to give it.

Uh.

Well, since Paris provided most of the humor, I'm going to give it nine point one Communist manifestos. Sure I enjoyed the episode. I have to enjoyed it, all right. That's gonna wrap it up, ladies and germs. Thank you to Susanne Amy. Uh, what a guess it's been Thanks to the best fans on the planet. Thanks for downloading, keep the keep the cards and letters coming. We have a feeling you're gonna weigh in on this a little bit,

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