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characters tick and and why they're imperfect. And you know, maybe we can sort of change the oil or tightness screw here and there, you know, for your advocation or for our own, and see why these characters are imperfect and why they're interacting in the way that they're interacting and reacting and overreacting and underreacting, you know, all kinds of psychobabble, and it's it's just gonna be a fun exploration with Kim. Yeah, it's a little therapy session. It's

kind of a little therapy session. I think it's a good idea to do that every once in a while on the podcast, Kim help me with my max obsession. You know, I need to just relax and be free of it. But um you know, I I you know, I got to be true to how I feel. I'm really feeling these things. So it's it's really not a therapy session for me. It's it's it's really for us to sort of dissect, you know, why these what makes

these characters tick. And I think I think it's really fascinating because these are very very complex, um uh and deeply drawn characters. I mean, these are not your average TV characters. So there's a lot going on here, a lot of generational stuff, a lot of conflict, and we're gonna we're gonna put our little brains together and form a little rock pile and see if we can figure it out. And is she is she waiting? She's in

the waiting room. Okay, let's bring her in. Hey, Kim, Kim, lay it on us, because this is a little debate I've been wanting to have. Okay, so what exactly I'm And I think I'm nervous too, I'm like, am I am? I? Am? I debating because I want to say this. This is not to negate nor minimize Luke's feelings towards her towards this mocking behavior. So because the feelings are the feeling,

so I always want to know from a therapist. So feelings are big, um, so, so this is not to negate so and so if if it's if it's hurtful, it's hurtful. But I'm just wondering if there's a possible different perspective, does that land differently? So who walks into a diner that's respectful and says dance burger boy, Okay, that's right, freaking break you know what, You're right, You're right.

It is mocking and like I said, he has every reason to have his feelings, you know, be offended by it, have his feelings hurt by it, and so not everything that she does is um, I don't think it's intended to be hurtful, but I still think it can be hurtful. But I do think that her that personality, that aspect of her personality. I do think it's protective and I do think she's had it for a long time. Um. You know, like I said in the email, Luke's got

this grumpiness and it's a natural boundary. I think there's like later on episodes where he's like, who's gonna He's gonna call me on anything, He's gonna ask me anything. And I think it's harder when you're a female to do that. I mean, we know, we know some women that do that, but it's hard to do that. So

it's a very approachable, amiable type of personality. But I think it's also a very boundary in that, um, she's presenting this kind of silly, zaney nous and and she's also very witty and very fast, and so you really need to know what she's talking about to even join in. So a lot of people are just like, Okay, I'm out.

And I think that's really boundaried of her um and so and I think later on, and not to give anything away, but I think later on, when when she and Luke do have a relationship, or at least a deeper relationship, I think he knows how to turn that off. And I think and I think sometimes he doesn't mind because he knows he knows a different version of her, and so maybe that's safer. And I can't speak to that, Scott,

my assumption. I just think it comes. I just think it comes from a sense of entitlement from an upper crust person and who looking down her nose at working class people. I don't. I think no. I think it's an aspect of her personality that she can never shake because that is in her d n a and she feels a sense of entitlement in that town, even though she presents different aspects of her personality at different times. That's one aspect of her personality that I found. And

I'm not criticizing the actress. I'm not criticizing Lauren. I don't want to fancy get this wrong. It's just that when you when you walk into a diner and say, dance for me, Burger boy, you know this kind of thing. I get it. It's not it's not that big a deal. It shouldn't land that hard. But at the end of the day, if you want to sit around and analyze it, it's not how people operate in a small town. You

don't think it's flirting. I think you tease and sort of rib the ones you love the most, and it's like you're testing the waters. I mean, it goes back to third grade. Like the boy that pulled your hair liked you. He had a crush on you. So that's what I think, but it's still hurt. But it's still hurt when you pulled my hair, and I may not have read it, is you liking me? So you're saying that she's kind of gaga for me and she doesn't have to express it. And maybe she just didn't even

know she feels that way. It's unconscious. Maybe on a certain level. Yeah, I do, I do, I think, but I think it's um but I don't think this, Okay, So again this is pure speculation, but I think this is something she developed a long time ago. It was a really really protective device with her mother. And I

think we've all done this before. If you've ever been around somebody, whether you like them or you don't like them, sometimes you can kind of put on like put on my game face and I'm gonna go in here and just to be a little more guard a little bit more armored up, a little bit more padded up, if you will, um to be able to deal with this. But here's the thing and this, and you know, as a therapist, I work with this, I work with with

protective parts of people's personalities. Once that gets turned on, it's hard to turn that off. It is because it's turned on because it allows you to navigate the environment that you're in. So like in my world, when people come in to see me, they're like, well, it's not working because you're no longer in that environment. Though, so her, this part that I'm assuming is a is a protector. I don't know if she can turn it off consciously. Is their thing? It's their thing now, Scott. I think

Luke and Lorela I have this thing. She thinks they do. Maybe he doesn't, though I think he has it too.

I think it goes both ways. But like you were saying, once in a blue moon, it hurts and it lands weird, and I don't think he's interpreting it as flirtatious at all, and it very very well maybe, But she's the type of personality in that dynamic with Luke where yes, that that behavior from whence she came now being applied into this situation with how Luke makes her feel walking into the diner, makes her feel safe, or whatever her feeling is, or lust or love or any kind of residual feelings

she might be having. Um, it's the kind of a personality that gets involved with somebody like a Luke where they're always having to explain themselves. And they didn't mean to say that, you know you you're too sensitive, and and and it's a mess because they're always having to because like you say, you can't be unlearned. Um, and it's you're always sitting that person down saying listen, you

know that that hurt I didn't. I didn't like if Luke ever even gets to that point in the first place where he's going to be, you know, so understanding, like, Hey, you can't come into the diner and talk to me that way. You know, it hurts me. It's disrespectful in front of my customers. And I'm not a burger boy, and don't don't talk to me that way. I'm a grown man. I'm not going to dance for you burger boy. Um, that kind of a thing. And I don't mean to

make you know, uh something. But this is a great point. Does it to her too? How where when I think there's plenty of times when Luke makes little joke isn't the right word, sarcasm isn't quite the right word, But it's sort of all of those things where if she's sort of having a bad day, it could land weird on her. But really it's just your way. It's the way of Luke and Lora Lie their protectors. I mean to me, they're both protectors though you know the Yeah,

the grumpiness keeps people at bay from you. You're in the middle of a very small town. Everybody's in everybody's business. I mean, I don't want to ask you a lot of questions. You're gonna buy my head off. I mean, that's a very effective way to have a boundary. Come behind the counter, Suki. But I really think that this is this These are two social classes being smashed together and conflicting. That's what it is. It's he comes from

a certain social lass. She comes from on high and she's lowering herself and it's very comfortable being in that town surrounded by supporting, lovely people that she can express love for. But she's boundary with all of them, though she's want boundaried with all of them. Yes, she kind of does that little stick with everybody does. With the exception Suki ceased through it sometimes. That's why she asked

the questions. And then you'll see You'll see Suki will kind of poke a little bit because she knows her and you'll see Loralai get more what we what we consider more defensive and more irritated with it. Yeah, but

even dismissive, very dismissive. But and there's a scene in the one of the first episodes when I rant and rave at her before like get get out from behind my counter thing, which I thought was really over the top, which meant actually something else over hearing them talking about Max Matin, it just pissed him off, Like does this woman? Is this woman so unconscious that she's doing this right in front of me? Doesn't she know how I feel?

And I don't know, So I'm mad at myself. I'm mad at her that kind of thing, because I don't have the guts to to say anything. But she was condescending to Melissa, I mean, to Tasuki in the conversation prior, because there was she said something. There was a you know, a little word play that Laurela does and went right over Suki's head and and Laurel I just went, never mind, you know, you're not smart enough to figure it out

kind of a thing, you know what I mean? And that's okay between I guess that's sort of okay, But yes, it does, it does show itself with other characters. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know, the beauty of this is she's perfectly imperfect though. But the other thing, I have to say it again with my my therapist part, this part of her, this kind of silly part. You have to you know, she what she left at sixteen. Okay, so she left at sixteen, So I guess would be this

isn't a new aspect to her. This is probably something that she's been doing a long time to protect herself from her mother and and those around her that she didn't fit in with. So sometimes when sometimes I think when this comes out, you're dealing with a teenager girl. This part is not this part is this part is not an adult and teenagers you know, it's a case of arrested emotional development. Yeah. Absolutely. Her personality, yes, yeah, exactly.

And the and the cool thing about it though, that I that I really value in the writing of this though, is that it's really like sometimes that part of her personality is so useful. You know, it's very disarming, d escalates, it's great in the job that she has, very charming, it makes her very approachable. But like you said, when someone's trying to get to know her, and that part comes out, which it's almost most um, it's automatic because we don't know, we're not pretty, because it's a drama.

We don't know what she's protecting. When she walks into this town. We don't know. And and we know that we've seen it because we'll see it later on that she is pretty vulnerable. And when and I didn't notice too, when the character is when your character and her character are alone together, they do speak differently. The guard goes down on both of you, and then when there's somebody around,

it comes back up. It's almost like the I always look at it like the you know, when you like somebody and your teenager and people are picking on you, and so you want to just avoid that. And so the whole town, I mean, these are two very attractive people, they're single. People are gonna want to see him together, and there's all this speculation. So how do you protect from that? Well, I don't, I don't show it. I'm gonna treat him the way I treat everybody else. That way,

you can't pick on me. Right. The scene that really brought it home for me about the sheer devastation to that family and Emily and Richard and the crushing disappointment that they experienced when she had to cancel. They had to cancel her her coming out party, her debutante uh ball um, and that scene really drove the point home about how utterly disappointed and how shamed and how crushed they were by by Laurel I Um sixteen years prior when Rory brought down the yearbook and said these pictures

and allow pretty. Mom was so yeah, that was right before her. That was her dress for the debutante ball Oh. I didn't know she had one, And Emily says she didn't and that's her protector. Yes, yes, they don't acknowledge it in a way like and she was pregnant with you. It was this. It was hushed and then you feel shame and it's what you did to me, what you did to me. So to the other side of this, because you know that everybody's got it her perspective on it.

So to the other side of this, Laurel I lives with Look what I did to my parents. They will never forgive me. What drove her to do some of her crazy stuff before probably she was then accepted in that world. Are seen Um well, not after she got pregnant. Yeah, yeah, but I always think what led up to that? Yeah, what led up to that? It wasn't like right, there was a reason she got pregnant. I like in Emily.

Sometimes I think she's got more cooth. But I like in Emily sometimes with Paris, I'm thinking, what would Paris be like as a mom? It's not gonna be about me. It's always going to be about how do I make you look good? Um, and so I can only imagine. I mean, no one's gonna call Child Protective Services on them. They didn't do anything like that. But but she I don't think she was seen, and in that kind of environment,

it's so much more important. At least that's what we see in the show, that you need to appear this way. This is what we do. Yeah, this is why Scott, we're able to have a podcast like this where we talk about each episode because these characters, Yours, Lauren's, Alexis are so complicated. They really are very very flawed characters. Very very flawed characters make the most interesting character. If there were one dimensional, this podcast would be so boring

and the show wouldn't be very good either. But I know, it's a drama TI, so they can't go into the you know, and I appreciate that too because it's I think, let's make it fun. But but yeah, they are complex. I mean, all the main characters, you get to see all the different sides of them. Um. But I was thinking, even when you guys finally come together, right before we have the big kiss, both of you are armored up so heavily. Wait a minute, we kiss. Oh no, I'm

just I'm kidding. I'm just being stupid. But right before that happens, and there's this whole incident with that, he tries to talk to her and find out You're like, I'm not a mysterious man here, and she's like, well the clothes, you know, the the clothes are a little bit of a head scratcher. But right there he's like stop and she goes into her protective place, and then he goes into his protective place, kind of that grumpiness. Be straight with me. And then right before it happens,

they both just kind of drop it. She drops it and she's vulnerable and she actually tells you, yeah, you were right. What you saw was right. There was a moment what she says, and then he actually takes action. So in that moment they're able to both kind of drop the guard. But they were there right there. The guards were still up right until that moment. Yeah, I

think they both feared well. I think I can't speak for her, um, but I think it took me four years because I was so absolutely terified of being rejected by her. Because I was already being rejected by her. The way she spoke to me, her attitude toward me specifically, and the ability that you know, the the the arrested development that gave her the license to say, dance dance for me, Burger boy, that kind of a thing. It's like, I love this woman. I know she's been disrespectful to me.

I know this isn't gonna work. I'm not from her world. I can't function in that world. That's a that that world of money and and and privilege and power is alien to me. I can't swim in those waters. I still love her. Do you think that's how Luke feels, even though it might not actually be true that Luke feels less than or I'm not from her world, even though Laura La doesn't think that at all. Is that Luke's sort of I don't know his law, his kip on his shoulder. But that's I think that's the sixty

four tho dollar question. Does she feel that I I don't think so, but we have a long road ahead and if she doesn't, but there are times that she sort of slips and lets out that she does feel that way, that she does feel better than or that she does like since one has a person from that social standing not felt that way having fallen, especially, they're going to overcompensate in a situation where they've fallen from

such a great height. And now they're in this small town you know, um, and she's dealing with all her issues, you know, and trying to sort out her life and now she's back involved with her mom, mom and dad, who you know what I'm saying. So it's triggering her in all these all these ways that she can't control or predict, and it's coming out of me, it's coming out at her daughter. It's like like I said before earlier in the podcast. And and maybe you can help

me with this, um. You know, I put myself in the situation where I'm with my dad, my mom's gone, and and and uh, I'm sixteen years old and I wake up one morning and there's my science teacher sleeping on the couch, Mrs Clark, And like, Dad, what are you doing? Are you dating her? What's that? What's happened?

I mean, that's a small town. That's such a scandal in a small town that nobody would do that, which is you know, again, we already had a debate about suspension of disbelief, But what's your take on that, about that particular about that kind of behavior taking that like having no sense of boundaries to protect their own child. And I'm I don't set mean to sound so critical, but I just I do want to get into a debate with you or a discussion with you about that,

because it's still kind of bugs me a little bit. Okay, well, okay, so the whole MAXI Me Dina thing. Okay, So I watched her so on the porch. You watch these two aspects of her. The responsible mom was trying to explain, and then you had the woman that was very attracted And here's an opportunity, right right. Um. You know, and I always want to tell people, you know, the the reason that you and I are all sitting here is because there's a basic biological need that's very strong and

it's gonna happen, and so it's in it. And you know, I don't know her history, and I don't know how long it was, but obviously we know which one one in that moment, and so we could say in that moment that that part of her over road the responsible part, and it was, and it was. It was not an ideal situation. And I think the next day, when some of that has kind of calmed down, she realizes it.

M Well, I think one of the positive things that you can take away from it, at least from Rory's perspective, is that it's going to make her grow up a heck of a lot faster, because at times, who's raising

who mm hmm. That's right, yes, because Lorel had a child at sixteen, and she ran away at sixteen, and she had to kind of find her own way, and so yeah, we don't we do know when trauma happens, you know, depending on how often it happens, we do have parts of us that are kind of stuck in that time and and she's you know, not doing therapy

or anything like that to get these parts updated. So we do see her make impulsive you know, and you know, and and again as a therapist that a lot of times when people do things that are really impulsive, like what you're talking about, Scott, they are not operating at their age. They are operating it like my seventeen year old came out and you know, the door was open and she just took off and and so they're not in that space. And so it's not an ideal situation. UM.

I mean, obviously it adds to the drama of the show. Well. And sometimes yeah, sometimes we just make a bad decision because we want to make out with the hottie with the mustang, with funny teacher, great hair guy and the you know, and he you know, I don't want to play too much in the Max with anything. But he does appeal to that part of her. He has to build that There are um unlike you know, and like Luke where she I think she she is very protective

because she doesn't want anybody to see it. She doesn't want and I think she is scared of loss of that relationship, um Max Medina. He just lays it out there. There is no questioning, there is no guessing. He lays it out there exactly, and so there may be some part of her that's relieved. I don't have to, I don't have to, you know, guess what's happening here. I know exactly what his intentions are and and it's very

and it is appealing to her on some level. And I do think in that moment she probably wasn't fully thinking from the mom brain right. The risk Scott of Laura la liking Luke is so much bigger and greater than her liking the hot teach its absolutely, do you know why? Because she's in control with Max, he is unwittingly providing her the ammunition to completely sabotage that relationship because he is letting his guard down. And I don't know if that's a terribly good idea for any man

to do that with a personality like Laurela. And I think that that Luke doesn't give into that, that's true because maybe on a certain level he knows that his only chance is to just clam up, not play into that stuff, and just be himself and play the waiting game, which he did any want. And because shows up every day she does, She shows up every day. You could eat somewhere else I mean, I know it's a small town with the place across the street is probably weird,

but yeah, well he does like her coffee. But seriously, we you know, if you've ever frequented this space, and any time, if you're dating anybody, you could go somewhere else. There's a reason why you keep showing up though. But yet you can cook for her, but she she continues to to send out AMMO to me, to Max to use against her. She just continues unconsciously. Today it's not safe, you know, again speculation here. If you're not seen in

your household, this isn't safe. It's not safe to be vulnerable. And we learned that really early on. You know, your sentiment relationship is with your parents. How safe are you? And so it is really difficult not to not to pick on parents here, but it is our first sentiment relationship. And so if I don't get that, and then we know it's sixteen, she's out the door and she's trying to figure out she's raising a child. Um, but this relationships are dangerous, and so Max is obvious. What you

see is what you get. Luke's scary, right, right, right, Yeah, he's scary. I don't really, they're like sometimes and they're both. I think in the in the was it the second episode when she goes up and she shows up early out out of her normal time, and she tells him, you know that somebody asks her out. You can look, you can watch her, and she's seeing if he does a reaction because he cares exactly, because he's so poker face exactly. That's why she brings it up to him.

It's the dance began from the moment we meet them, so obviously it was going before. Ye. It is from moment one when she says to Rory, do you think Luke is cute? That's the ultimate admitting that you like someone well, and then Rory if you remember what Roy, Because Rory doesn't even know the two closest people, she doesn't feel safe enough to let the two closest people you know this very intimate thing. And so she tested it and then she gets feedback and it's like okay.

And so again I don't know how conscious she is in doing some of this, but it is a safe way to have access to him, and and when she says things that are provocative, she does have his attention. So it's almost like she is having a relationship with

him without having to worry about relationship with him. Absolutely, it's this thing and I mean, you know, and it's it's so it's a safe it's because it's that it's that place and you know, And that's the thing with with these protector parts that we can have, like that

their job is to keep me from getting hurt. But that thing that she's doing, you're like, well, it's going to hurt you because I don't want to come in close to you when that's apparent, when that's active in you, and it in this episode, Scott, you know what, we talked about it right from the start, the pain I felt seeing Luke seeing her with Max, it was so real. Yeah,

that's very palpable. That was Those were the the eyes and the feelings in the face of a poker player who may have been flogging himself for not staying in the game or at least not aiding up. Those re enactors felt it too. Did you not think that the reenactors were like, oh no, because they can see it, but they know the only two people that don't know would be looking at everybody else, right, But nobody wants to take on Luke and get their head ripped off,

and nobody wants to play Laurralize Witty. Where the hell is this going game that I don't have time to get pulled into. So it's they're they're very protected, they're very protective. But yeah, but that's why I really enjoyed playing the role. It was because I knew my love for her was pure. I didn't know whether it was going to work on any level, and I didn't particularly

care about her fear. I was. I was enveloped in in my fear a little bit, but I wasn't going to change myself in order to become so vulnerable because I probably didn't intellectually understand that that was not the thing to do with her. I probably just simply sensed it. Yeah, And it's like when you're in death and there's that much fear, you don't make a move. And I think

it took so much. That's absolutely true that there's a there's a right, there's a paralysis there, and that's what was so I think unique about this relationship in the whole canon of TV lovers and TV because of these seriously flawed people who were terrified of one another. And and and you're right about, um, the way we are imprinted by our parents and how they and how we

sort of mirror them throughout our lives. And um, you know, I had one parent that not to analyze myself, But I had one parent who used humor to keep distance. And that's all he did. He was just you know, he was fast and funny and clever and smart as a whip. And but where are the feelings? You know, where are they? And I think Lord rely has a little bit of that too. She's always testing, testing, testing, testing who gets this, who's fast enough, who's funny enough,

who's worthy enough? Well, and you speak to something. I think that's really important in that you're you know, she I don't even like, you know, we don't a lot of times we don't even know what our protectors are. So she's protecting herself. But what she doesn't know is that you're like, but you're hurting me. And she's so we would say, she's so enveloped in her own protection that she can't see it, and we can't. I mean,

we can with therapy. These are treatful things, but when you're in it, when you're in it, that's the lens you're looking out of that is the lender looking out of. So we don't know how fearful. She looks so comfortable and she looks so easy in the world, and maybe some aspects of her are but I you know, but I would venture a guess that this is also really really strong protector within her. Yeah. And I think for

Luke that it's the ultimate. It's a marathon, not a sprint, where he's like, first, he's scared, but also he is just gonna wait this out and let all these others fall fall, fall, and be the last man standing there. To me, there's some element of him just having being sort of just so like I'm just gonna wait this out. He's he's building courage. Yeah, I think that's really what it is. It's not about her, you know, petering out because she's had a series of failed attempts at that relationships.

It's just him building courage. And I think we see that over time he's just building up the courage, uh, And that that's why that first kissed was so fraught with tension with her. She's building up the courage too. That's right. It's you can almost see him because I've seen several times where he's like, what what is it? What is it? And she won't say it. It's almost like it can't come up, you know, out of her throat.

And so in that moment right before they kiss, it's a lot for her to say when he says there was a moment. I thought there was a moment, because that was you kind of being vulnerable, I'm thinking. And then she finally had to go there was. She never wanted to admit that. And there was a moment in this episode where he said, well, come on inside and

get some coffee. That was I think maybe the first time he kind of asked her on a little date, because it was, you know, a little after hours maybe, and come on in and we'll be a little intimate with the coffee and come on and get on. And she rejected him. She goes, no, I love the snow and I'm gonna I'm gonna go see Max and we're gonna mac on each other's faces. I and and and again, and just speaking for for the one who's not here,

and I could be so wrong. I wonder if it would have not been snowing, I mean they have not that may not have happened you know, because all that snow and stuff and led to that little intimate moment. Though, But if it hadn't have been snowing, she might she might have gone inside. But but I do think that. Okay, So and again sorry to my therapist too much. That's her little girl that loves the snow, and she wanted

to be outside and play in the snow. And then the little girl met the seventeen year old part of her. And then yeah, a Max Medina is Christopher. He's playing the role of Christopher sixteen years later. It's completely inappropriate, but it's but it's what she knows. It's risky. Let's take a chance. It could screw up my daughter's life. But gosh darned, he's got great hair. I'm getting back

on the motorcycle with Max Medina. But she knows the motorcycle for RELI yeah, she's yeah, yeah, She's like, I don't want my daughter because I know the motorcycle. So I don't want my daughter to get on the motorcycle because she knows daughters are vulnerable to the motorcycle. Is she is vulnerable to the cycle. We could go on and on, but that's why she's so worried about Dean

and why she even acknowledges that Dean looks like Christopher. Well, he's smooth, and he's smooth, and he says it and that's and again that's why I think luke Um is scary to her because he doesn't lay the I mean poker face. Yeah. Well, he got very vulnerable with her in that moment talking about his father, and he was buried in his musket, and you know, it softened him

a little bit. And he then went out and he he gave those guys some coffee and he took some orders that are you know, you know, you want to you want coco, okay, you know. And the same thing when he did the balloons for Rory's birthday. Every once in a while we see that softer side when he made the coffee cake or whatever it was. But then that softer side and this is how we all are though.

But then that softer side goes down, and then you know, he sees what he saw across the street with her and Max, and it's and and so inside it could be like, well, this is why I have this wall going back up, not gonna let it go back down again, And and so that happens to us. And then you know, even in the perspective that you that you talk about him having a these are you know, socialites and their upper class and they're snotty and stuff. That's a perception

that he would have had early early on. And so again, as things come into my environment, they're always going to touch upon some of my core beliefs. Do they reinforce it, do they challenge it? Do they reinforce it? And so that's that's that's on us. You could be right, or it could be a belief that you've had a long time that hasn't been updated either though that's right, that's right, If that makes sense perfectly, that's Luke's sort of law

are you know issue. I just think he's practical. He's like, no, that's not sustainable. I can't live in that world, but man, I sure want to try. But it's good out of that. But I mean that's where these parts are born owadays. If that makes sense that it's not practical for me to think that way not live in that environment, why would I you know, oh whoof talk about sexual tension? Can you imagine that first night? I know we did not really why didn't they let us see more of that?

Why didn't they let us see more of that? We got to see everybody else. They could have been like a shot of outside the house with a fur flying off the window. In the window our departments called Kurt because he's volunteering that every day. As you guys are saying this, it is a little like and over my eyes when Lorala and Max are going at it so aggressively. And I used to seeing LORELEI like that because that's

the part you don't get to see. Yeah, yeah, that gave me a little bit of the like I don't know, the wigglies where I was like, oh, should I be seeing this about Lorely and like, I mean, there's so many movies or TV shows where it's just like totally like out there, But for for Lourely, I felt, oh, this is uncomfortable for me to see this because we don't know that side of her. Yeah, and you know,

I don't know from my perspective, was very polite. I thought it was very u tame, you know what I mean? Max and Lorala that Yeah, I thought That's why I didn't mind it so much, because I said, you know that fire is not burning that hot. I was happy Lane interrupted because I was not ready for it. Yeah, because I was like, I don't want to see this go further. I was like, I'm uncomm because it's wrong. It goes against the laws of nature. Yeah, right, Yeah,

I don't think we know. I just don't think we know that that aspect of her though, But yeah, you yeah, you got to see that part of her, and yeah, I don't know that part of her. I think Luke felt a hundred x. I mean, you know, Luke in that situation, that's like, you know, forget about it. I don't worry about it. Nothing's no Lanes interrupting that, like Lanes running out of the house, like I better call the cops, know someone, someone's getting murdered. Oh man, that

would have been an interesting episode. Oh my lord, kid, we're gonna have to call you and have you back. We need a professional therapy just to get us through this. It's really interesting perspective, isn't it? Is it really? What do you guys think? I think you're spot on? I really do so. Amy agrees. Okay, Scott, what is the

inner Luke? Inter? Luke? What's the inter Luke? How's he how's he receiving this, you know, it's it's it's helping me figure out why he felt it was a bridge too far with her, What made him hesitate, what made him so cautious, because he's being very cautious, Why he's so practical, Why he probably feels it's doomed at the outset. Uh, you know, she's to this, she's you know, she's a little wacky, she's a little you know, I can't you know, he's not going to keep being able to keep up

with that. He's a guy who wakes up early and goes to bed early, yeah, and does the say yeah. It's like he's got a very patterned, structured life and that's what he hangs onto, his structure, his business, that is him, that is who he is, and to allow this into who was life and he wants it, but I think he doesn't want it. And I think that's really the detention, you know, I think he wants it, he doesn't want it, but and once he gets it, um, well, I mean we'll talk about that at other time, maybe

with you, But yeah, it's an interest. It's definitely an interesting it's an explosive dynamic between those two that's for sure. And I think they're both attracted to the other, like she's light and change and he's stability, but they're both on high. It's like, if you could calibrate that a little bit, where we could be in each other's spaces, and I think, you know, eventually they do when they

start to speak to each other. But yeah, but I think in the beginning it's that that opposite attract which you know, we do have to calibrate a little bit because it's attractive, but it's not sustainable in a lot of cases. So many of those start out like a house on fire, and then they fail very quickly. Exactly, kid, thank you so much. You're awesome. Then you're awesome, and we'll talk to you against in interesting you we psychologicalized,

in psychoanalyzed. That's I enjoyed that thank you, ask him thank you so much. Kim Wasn't that fascinating. Isn't she fantastic? She had a great perspective and the way she sort of explained things, And I like, I think we should have a therapy session every once in a while because we need to sort of like dig in deeper on what's really happening. Oh, I enjoyed that. I think she's she's fantastic. Wow, what an insightful human being and and a real pro Yeah, good therapist. She's a good therapist.

I feel better already. I feel I feel like we accomplished something here. You know, we will now get ready Roy's dance. Rory's dance. Oh, that's going to be the next one. So we get to watch time. So everybody watch Rory's dance. We're gonna break it down next episod zode uh and look, thanks for downloading. We appreciate it. We're having a blast. We love you guys. You're the best fans on planet Earth. You already know that, but you need to be told, you need to be praised.

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