Come Again, Mimi (S3 E1, "Those Lazy-Hazy-Crazy Days")

take it away with your synopsis. So this air day September two, it's the season three premiere, returns from Washington, d C. While Jess is still on her mind and finally makes a decision about Dean, Lorel breaks the news to her parents that her and Christopher didn't work out and finds comfort in talking to Luke. Mm hmm okay, uh. I mean right from the start, who noticed this? EXI

Pinkney down. It was good. She looked good. And here I've got a picture of her in that dress with with Taylor in the wheelchair and she's got a white bucket hat on. She looks good. She looks really good. Speaking of was the real life Taylor actually injured? Does anybody know? Because why was he in the wheelchair? Was it part of the actual storyline or was he And I think that he was probably hurt. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Too friends trying to access my memory banks

from twenty two years ago. I didn't really didn't, wasn't booting up. I was having problems connecting with my own brain. We's just a frequent occurrence. Um, but anyway, go ahead, So I have to ask you something, yes, ma'am, Okay, this is like really important. Your first kiss when Laura Lie was in a dream as it should be as a job. Yeah, but that was a little bit interesting because their actual first kiss we know comes later, but you did kiss as a fan. I was. I was thrilled.

I was jumping up and down. I look, like I said before, I really love them together. I think they I think that she is so um, how can I describe Laurelize. She's there's a side of her that I luke balance is off very well, and I think all sides. But she's a tough girl. She's tough, you know what I mean. She's got that Emily Steele in her right. I mean, that's where she gets it, and she needs somebody to push back on her. And she's not going

to respect the guy. Um who doesn't who doesn't have the and and look, if I don't have the background of the educational credentials that her bloodline is used to, her DNA is used to accustomed to then at least have a have a spine and push back, and you know, Luke, is that right? So it works for me. It's just

I don't know, they just look really good together. I think we I thought we looked really we look really good together, and and we act well together, and it just works and it's easy and we you know, I think the fact that he's not going all neodly on her all the time, and you know what I mean, because everybody does. They're all flipping out over and I'm the guy that's like, listen, you know, you're a pain in my ass. Love you buy, you know, And I

think that's refreshing. And so I really love that scene. It's my one of my favorite scenes. I'm surprising that like the episode because it's still bookended by two epic scenes with them. I don't know, what did you guys think of the episode? Tell me and then I'll come in and look like a horse's ask go ahead, tell me how great it was. I definitely squealed when I when I saw you and Laura, I guess I was like,

oh my God, that's so cute. I was really excited about that, and I agree with Amy the end, the ending scene too. At the diner, I was like, oh, here we go. Buckle up, Yeah, Riley, what do you what do you think of this? I complete on all and then but the way you like kissed and rubbed her belly twins, just like you got all the tingly fields that you like, we I guess, had been feeling with Christopher. We finally got to feel it with Luke.

But wasn't it so much more powerful with Look? It was it was like and I think that's where we see like now the fans were talking about like hello, it's Luke and more Lie, like we got to feel that too finally. Yeah, it just seemed I don't know, there was It's so funny. I have like fifty favorite lines. You don't you don't. I don't mean to interrupt you. You You explained why. You know. There's a lot of good lines. For sure, there's and we'll get to those. There's there's

tons of good line. Um god, I mean, let's you want to go through it in order? You want to jump around? What do you what do you want? And then yeah, so the next moment is lore Lie. She has the dream, she falls out of bed and then she wakes up Rory. So then we get to see Rory in d c uh. I thought that was a pretty funny scene. Um. I think it was of course she's going to call she's going to call her daughter, and of course we're going to get you know, the

Paris Geller hysterical. Ah I did. I did not have sex with that woman. Really funny. I also love the dialogue between Rory lor life. Was he naked? Good? And then there was a genius Bill maer line which really lit in there. But it was like politically correct. Didn't anyone like yeah, but but but yeah, I remember that well we remember what he said, right, Yes, I think that was a little beyond politically incorrect. It was just uh it was but it was such a it was

a great like pop culture. Sure something worked for and it there an't been enough time, just enough time that that was not inappropriate that they Yeah, I looked. I thought that was a great scene. I thought it was really funny. It was heartwarming, you know, they missed each other. Rory was getting on with her little career and building a resume, and Paris was providing some great humor talking in her sleep. You know, that was all good stuff, all really good stuff. It also gave us, It was

really brilliant. It gave us a very nice cap of where we left off without having to put it in our face. Because you you get a mention of Christopher, you get a mention of Dean. You see the letters, and then you see that just the letters, a lot of letters from she, like one a day. It's like, oh, and then you see the Jess. She she puts those away and it starts thinking what she's gonna write to Jess? But I thought, you know that, what a way to

open up. Yes, a great opening for season three because it sets up Luke and Laurel and it sets up what may come, and it sets up for Rory what may come, you know her her Luke. So it's like that that that that Gilmore blood mixing with the Danes blood. Will it happen? Will it happened? On multiple levels here? So so pretty cool, pretty cool set up for sure. Um, so what do we have next? What came up next?

So then we go to see So then Laurel is having breakfast at Suies, which I like that they referenced she's there every day. I like that scene. I like Jackson in that scene. I thought it was funny. I thought it was the right tone. Um. And it just I like how it started. I really was involved in it. Um. I didn't quite understand what what Suki thought was wrong with the house. She wanted to freshen it up, she

wanted to change it a little bit. There was some some some ancillary dialogue between those two, and then Jackson came funny though we're not right exactly. Uh, all good stuff. I thought, beautifully acted, beautifully shot, The writing was great. Everything was great. Firing on use so far the episode is firing on all cylinders. Okay, agree, Yeah, I thought it was hilarious when Jackson acknowledges if you come here every day, you're gonna have to really great her as

a part of their cupboard. And I never liked Jackson more. I thought he was He did very very well as a Uh they're married at this point, right, yeah? Yeah, as a husband. Yeah. Where we left, So what's the what's what comes next? Okay? So then next we see the bucket at and we realized Taylor injured, and we learn about the new festival. I think it was the maest festival and that looked quite all great. I thought the acting was superb. I think Michael Winters just delivered

as he always does. And Lauren looked great. She looked great in the dress, she looked great in the hat. Everything was flowing outdoors, sunny festival coming. Loved it all. Love the shot at the end when Luke is taken in order from um a girl, a young girl and Laura I just stairs and she's not going to go in yet. She doesn't she doesn't feel like she can go into the diner yet. So still the episode is firing on all cylinders. Okay, So now Danielle, we're getting

to your moment. So we see Senator Barbara Boxer, which I thought this was, and Paris is just pelting her with questions and right, I I this is when I started to get a headache. Yeah. It was just like somebody turned her off. Find her off switch. It was like Jesus cacaphonists. Funny okay, but so overbearing and over the top. Um yeah, and I look, I thought the whole bit was funny. I get it right, you throw that in and and and you know, there's there's Paris

going off and you know, being her obnoxious self. And yes it was funny, it was entertaining and all that, but I mean, it was so much of it. Um, I think it was just a little for me. It just it was a little to to extend it. It was like we could have done a third of that and we get the point. It's just so. I thought the spread of food was unbelievable. I was like, what is happening? And Danielle, what did you think of the

Harris gets asked out and doesn't even know? I love it, and and that's one of my favorite lines is part of that seems so I'll save it for a little bit later. But I was literally crying when she was like, Rory, you have to go to the into the closet, like you have to, Like I can't, I can't compete with you. You're going you can't go out of order? All right, take the hat off and slap yourself in the head. So I don't know how you say his last name,

Congressman Doug Ose, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, okay, yeah, he came out the bathroom and he too took a You turn real fast, meself, Okay, so this is this is what I mean by shrill. Okay, she just it was like even when she was making the sandwich, and even when she didn't realize and Rory is explaining to her that she'd been asked out on a date, she still maintained the same sort of angry red tone. I mean, this aggressive, kind of over the top angry tone. I

didn't I wanted to see different colors. I wanted to see something else beside like this sort of I don't know, she has one dimensional yeah, and it gave me a headache, and I wanted to come on vary at something, you know, give me something else here, either cut it short or give me something else. That's just how it came off to Congressman in the background. I mean, that was so brilliant because obviously he's not an actor. They have to

direct him. Okay, come out and then you're gonna see her. Yeah. Well this is this is also what happens when you don't have professionals. Even though that was Barbara Boxer and Doug oys Um, you know, it really pulls the scene down. You need, yeah, you need professionals, and it's cool to have the Norman Mailer's and the Barber Boxers and the Matele and all brights, and you sort of, you know, you for give them for their lack of skills, right, yeah, okay,

that's fair. That is intriguing. Takes you out, you know, because it's so real and you're supposed to buy that they don't have any skills as actors and their timings off, I thought Barbara Boxer did a passable job. Yeah, that they both did. That's interesting. Okay, So that is something very interesting that I'm curious what people watching things if

they have that experience too. For me, I just thought, oh, that's so cool, because it's so But if you have a real actress in there, with real comedic timing and real skills, they'll make that three times as funny. Same with the Dougos thing, they'll make that much more, much funnier scene. I am not going to argue with you, but I think they did great. But but I can't argue with the obviously not professionals, so I'm probably nitpicking here. And let's but but that's the thing. I do you

like the novelty of it? Is it worth sacrificing maybe the little bit of skill? Yeah, I don't know if I was so sold on this on the it didn't measure up to the prior scenes. I just thought, Okay, I can tolerate this one. I can take up an aspirin. Yeah, I can feel better, fair, fair, Alright. So the next cows don't wrinkle Kirk with his hey there, you're gonna make me spit, Cols don't wrinkle, and Kirk is now

in the opening credit. Oh good good, Um. This is when I first laughed out loud because Michelle was so pleased that he was going to be able to mock this boy. And no, please continue, No, we want to hear all about it. It's like it's like his reactions, his the pleasure that he was going to drive from this kid. This Kirk just made us. Kirk's dialogue sound even more absurd. So, um, beautiful acting job by Niche. Not beautiful acting job. Really, that's how you're a great

scene partner. You you just do your job and you let Kirk shine. And yeah, man, I tell you, I really loved it, really loved that scene. Very funny, very very clever writing, and you know, beautifully acted. Okay, so so far you just didn't care for one scene. Correct. Okay, So then Emily is on the phone before she's wearing the beautiful majecta, and she says, what day is it? Well,

Thursday the third, because they were at Martha's vineyard. They were at Martha's vineyard and we kind of have that back and forth used you're gonna call us and you did go us? And when's Roy coming home? I thought that was a little strange for me. See, that was another scene where I was just like, what what is what is Emily complaining about? Now? What? What? What is

going on? I mean, usually I'm with her, I get it, but on this it's like, well, she's calling up Laurela I just to you know, to give her crap for not calling when they get home and it's eleven o'clock in the morning. She expected a phone call from Laurela because they got home from where were they They were in Hyaennas their high sport for Martha's venue. Okay, so since one since one is Emily so needy from that for a call from when they get I mean, it's like,

what's they ask here? What I don't I didn't get it. I'm assuming good manners whatever, but what I'm assuming the point of that moment was for us to learn that she has not told her parents about Christopher. So it was just a vehicle. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna agree with you. Wasn't It wasn't Again, I'm going to use the word shrill. I thought. I thought the maybe the dialogue was a little too shrill for me for my taste. Uh yeah, I mean as a device to get into the Christopher stuff.

Just I don't know, given your daughter, I mean, she came off like a wing nut. I mean, what what is it like? That's not Emily to be so needy of Laurelized attention. So it was it was just kind of weird. So obviously Paris is waiting to get picked up from her date, and the dialogue between her and

Rory is my favorite thing of the whole entire episode. Um. I about died when she asked Rory to go into the closet like so good, and then the guy shows up and literally he says whatever, like I'm taking you here, I got a reservation and she goes, you're perfect, and I was like, yes, go for years, go, do kids know what this gat is? And I always thought it was well, Riley didn't know. I don't know. I don't

know what that is either. Of course I know, of course I know, because I'm from before the internet, modern yelp. It's a restaurant guide. Yes it's not. It's the not modern yelp help of the two thousands. And he used to like look in the I thought it was zagging, but I guess it's and it would give you reviews of restaurants. Yeah. I thought that scene was fine. Uh. Interesting that Paris looks down on her Princeton. Man, she'll overlook that. Remember she said that early. I mean, for

God's sake, we're talking about Princeton University. It's one of them. But she's a Harvard gul. But it's Princeton has been ranked over Harvard in national rankings multiple years. Don't they like neck and neck? They used to be. I don't want to brag my schools up there? What's your what's your school? Berkeley? Look at you? Fancy? I look? Can

we take these halts? Yeah? Like I look. I love the line when she's on the phone with Dean stop being cute um and and Rory helping her and telling her to wear her hair down and clambing her down they they're really developing a friendship. Parents looked gorgeous. Parents, parents look really good. Yeah, she cleans up, she cleans up very well. Um yeah again. You know, I just thought she came off like an insane person at the political mixer in Washington. I think, yeah, I mean, it

was just like it was just too much. And then you know, she was still coming. She's so intense. It gives me a headache, what can I tell you? And Rory standing there with her smile and you know, sort of having to absorb all that energy coming. I don't know, she doesn't you know, it's like, how can you? It's like how do you? How are your friends with that? That's that's like being friends with a with a hand grenade,

you know what I mean. So I don't know. Well, okay, then we're gonna go to Kim's antiques and we've got Suki and Lorelai shopping to man lay up the home. So that was a funny little scene. What do you think? I I you you guys talk about that scene? Well, you know it could you could go with your shrill again. It was a little maybe it wasn't the best in the in the episode. You know, I think that's I think that's the quality of some of these scenes which

made me tune out, which is why I don't. You know, usually these shows and these scenes really impact me, and I remember, you know a lot of details about them. That scene, it's like, God, we are we are we shrill again? And then I'm just gonna not not listen to it. Okay, I think you're having a fair criticis them. I love the Red Top, but I didn't love the scene particularly as much as I love others. And I'm not this this sort of c storyline of Suki needing

to redo the decre is so unnecessary. It was like what a married people fight about, Oh the house, let's do a storyline on that. I would agree. Yeah, I didn't hook me in, and I think that's why I didn't engage it. Okay, So now we're at the airport and I have I'll let you guys talk about it. But I do have two criticisms of the airport scene. But you guys again, so this is Yeah, it was just how long were they separated the whole summer? Yeah?

I guess it was h Well, Okay, so yeah, I think you would be excited to see your daughter and your daughter be excited to see you after an entire summer. Sure, um yeah, falling down and then sitting down on the floor of the thing and continuing their conversation. What didn't they share some food too? Weren't they dug down there? That's where I was like, what are you guys doing on the floor at the airport eating? Did somebody start eating? Did Lorela pull out a muffin or something start chumping?

I don't know the way I agree you were on the airport floor, on the floor. So here's my criticism now that I am a m what shall I say, expert background actor number one, If you were in the airport reading your book and two people fell, you're surely going to look up your book and think what is happening with those two texts? And the background actor just stayed steady on the book. They they may have been directed to do that or or that they were they

were looking up and overreacting. So you know, the director, I think Amy Amy wrote and directed. So I think Amy pribbly said, just just read your book because you're screw you're screws or something, you know what I mean? You never falling on the floor was like a bit over the top, and it's like Jeremy down, Yeah for sure. Yeah, um, And I mean you guys can go through the scene.

I again, I kind of tuned out with all the back and forth and I didn't even know what they were talking about because I'm all I kept thinking about was get off the floor. Yes, that is not a place you want to be. Do you think that's the COVID in US or is? No? No, No, it's not. It's it's like I've I've been doing enough airports. No, you don't sit on the floor. I mean, am I the only one? Now? That's like they're at the airport. Where's the mass? Like for me, it's more like you

can't do that anymore. You can't like greet even your significant or family member at the gate. You can't do that. Yeah, well I think Hartfords a smaller Yeah, that's that's true. That was and that post that wait a minute, that was post were posting now because we have the bell margin exactly. So Yeah, that was a little but fun, a fun spirited scene. I think they captured the spirit of the reunion and all wonderful, But yeah, I wanted

him to get off the floor. Then we get to the festival, which, Oh my god, I want to live in this town. Literally if I if I could go to a festival like that in my town, I would be the happiest person. That looked amazing that that. Yeah, that was quite a production. Uh quite a production? Um the song over and over again and again? Well was it something? Something? In fair? Right? Have the lyrics for us if we want to go through what was lyrics? I did pull the lyrics, Oh Riley, give it to me,

but talk more to your mike. I can't hear you the exact opposite. That's a good comedy. That's good comedy there right, thank you? Okay, So do you want me to share my screen or should should you want to repeat after me? Take it away? Roll out those lazy, hazy, crazy days of some ma, those days of soda and pretzels and roll up right now we don't stop the sun and moon to you. Thank you for participating. Oh

I got you? Uh okay, So this is where this is fare the episode for me, and maybe this episode is going off the rail now it's no, it's good fun. We're having good fun. So this is where we see the kids. You know, that's kind of where it went off the rails for me. Um, Yeah, you know, I get a whole summer has gone by, she hasn't been around. Why hasn't Look if Jess shows up at at the wedding, why didn't he show up in Washington? Great question. It's

a whole summer. They're supposed to be in love. They just kissed. Why isn't Jess in Washington Dean? Maybe I guess she's still with Dean. Come on, that's gonna stop Jess. It's you know, in Washington is a bus ride. It's a big deal. He jumps on a bus. He goes Caesar in Washington. They didn't fit it in. She's trying to write him the letter. Yeah, maybe they probably have not even say it. Don't really have self right, I'll

say it straight out. I thought that the Jess character was really damaged at that point, maybe irreparably, because if you see that kind of behavior, and granted, she was away and she tried to keep in touch, and he's, you know what, sixteen seventeen, you know, you know, the hormones are raging, and you know he's he's he's a lonely kid and he needs somebody any we needs a companion anyway, right, Um, but gosh, it really damaged that relationship.

And I don't know they built it up to to really, you know, it was this sort of crescendo of of this fruition of of of of youthful love, and it took there were so many obstacles to get there. Why did they Why did they still dating Dean? So what is a non factor in her heart? He he doesn't even register anymore. My god, she you know, she got already. She wanted to wear a nice dress. She didn't want to see Dean that that day or even that nice.

She wanted to go to the festival with her mother, and where a Britain wear a nice dress and look good and look for Jess. Agree, But we know that and she but Jess doesn't know that. So all Jess knows is I've come back for this girl. And she still won't break up with Dean, and off she went to Washington. So I'm a set teen. It's very she

still won't break up with Dean. There was some expectation because you know, he showed up a thing and and she kissed at the wedding and she kissed him at the end of season two, that she's supposed to break up with Dean. He's supposed to get on a bus and go claim and go claim her if if he wants her, go after her. He did. He did not. He did not because he had nowhere else to go, and he had nowhere else to go with the Luke. He came back for Luke as much as he came

back for Rory. So why didn't he go to Washington all summer? Tell me? Tell me she won't break up with Dean. He's not going to be like the other man that she's cheating on Dean with. He did the grand gesture, he came there, wasn't it wasn't enough. He doesn't understand women. He's got to go get in her face in a real way and say listen, I'm your guy. I want to be your guy. I mean, this was so perfectly set up. This was so perfectly set up at this point because we thought Jess was gone forever.

He done some horrible things, and now he's back. And then he shows up the wedding and she plans a kiss on him, and he's never looked more vulnerable. And then the next time you see him. He's making out in broad daylight with an unknown girl, you know, grabbing her buttocks. I was mourning the storyline. Why did you do this? I wanted to? I wanted to. It would have been better for me if they just developed that love story. More, go ahead, Daniel, Sorry, no, I agree

with you. I need Jess to kiss Rory, she said to herself. I kissed him, I kissed her back, but he not really. Yeah. They pause, and then he went in for it. But we need we need him to do the initiating. We need him to like be like you are my girl, like you guys, got you effecting so much of jets. He's already thank you. You shouldn't have to expect something from you. Know, this is what passion demands. If you're passionate about somebody, you cannot stop yourself.

It compels you to get on a bus and go go kiss her like That's what I mean. I'm not saying go. You know, harassing compelled him to come back to start and ask for Luke's forgive me. I feel like he's doing a lot. I see both sides. I think I don't think he's doing nearly enough. Guys, Riley.

I do see both sides. But to be fair, if if I kiss somebody and then they but they have another person and then they leave for a summer, it's like, I don't really know what to do here, and he's okay, Like I think he's also like has a lot of walls up and his guards up, and so he's like, I'm just gonna move on. If she's going to move on to go to DC, she already has Dean. I

think it made I think it hurt both characters. I think it hurt his character because now he's just like a mac daddy and and and and it hurt her character because it makes her seem like she isn't worth it or she isn't as desirable and she is. He's a player and she's and she's not worth it, and she's not worth it to him. So I think it degrades her. So I think they took a big chance story wise by doing that. And I didn't like it. I didn't like it as a fan. I did not

like it. What it what How it made Rory look and now she's back with Dean and it's all good, and it's like Jesus Man, you know, where's you know, all this build up and all this anticipation and then this is this is the payoff. Riley. Would you guys call Jess and that dirty word? You guys say, yeah, well what I'm sorry to think? What word you can say it? You can sleep boy? What word they called an F boy? And f boy? That's what the younger fell in the blanks, a fire boy. I know you

had a different name. What was what did you call it two seconds ago? It's already out of my head, but you had a good term for it, mac daddy. Did I just date myself very just like my layers? But they say that, and I agree with you. Jess didn't necessarily need to like hook up with this trap. But we don't we you know, we don't know her.

We don't know what the deal she could. She could be extraordinary and maybe that's right, right, But I mean, it's, you know there obviously unabashedly like really into each other. There's a lot of passion there, like grind grinding against a tree, you know what I mean? I have a question a protracted period of time, have you been in a scene like that before where you just have to oh, I guess that's coming, that's coming. I will save it forget it. Asking now, I want to know ask it again?

How awkward is that where you're just like, just make out for three minutes straight, don't come up for air, go um, you get you get an altoid or you splits your breath. But awkward, you know what I mean? Yeah? But you know people are professional about it, and what is acting kissing life? Like do you try to kiss like, oh I'm gonna kiss this girl, or you're like, this is just work. Uh, you know, it's mostly it's mostly work.

I mean, let's say, even if you are attracted to the person, Okay, it's still an awkward situation because so many people are standing around watching you with with boom mix and cameras and extras and you know, every everybody's looking at you. So it's it's not an intimate situation at all. There's nothing terribly sexy about it. You know, is there an art to kissing on camera? Like yeah, you really don't want to engage the tongue too much.

This is this is the thing that is discussed many directors, you know, all directors where I've been in those situations, say, listen, you know, it's you know what to do. It's like if you go to if you get too liberal with the tongue, it's gonna it's gonna be a little much. And I said, well, you don't have to tell me that. You don't want to, Courtney Krdassian, Yeah, you know you

don't want to go deep with the tongue. You you really don't want to engage the tongue very much at all, you know, So there's a way to do that to make it palatable for an audience because you know you don't want to. Yeah, you don't want to do that. Yeah, okay, so let me just all just bring it. So now Laura Lee and Rory are sort of going back and forth with Jess and the making out in the background,

and she tells Laura, la we did kiss who kissed too? Yeah? Again, I thought, I'm trying to understand why Laurel I got so upset. And I think it's because and and there there's another there's another. The scene just just it just collapsed for me because here we are. You know, now Rory's weakened as a character. This relationship isn't happening, or at least it's paused for a long time, because how do you come back from that? Um uh, you know,

Rory's all grossed out, she's offended, she's hurt. Um and you know, Jess, it's like a fuzz boy and I think that's the term fuzz or fooz fooz boy. And and and now you've got Laurela, you know, jumping down her throat because she needs to make a decision one way or another, right and and it was just hey, because she's she's cheating on in quotes emotionally obviously, and she did kiss him, so I get that girl. I think Laurel is upset because you know, her daughter Roy

didn't listen to her in the first place. Stay away from this guy's bad news. Now you see his bad news, make a choice. She I think she was just sick of it. She was just sick of the whole thing. And I told you this guy was gonna bust your heart open, and she got angry at her daughter because of it. I totally back up Lorelie. Am I the only one. I'm like, I totally agreed with what she said. I'm like, yeah, if you don't want to be with Dean, you gotta let that guy go because you're breaking his

heart and that's not cool. But the whole time, I was thinking, what about her own daughter's heart. She's her daughters sitting there getting crushed by what's going on ten feet away in a tree, under a tree, So what about protecting her daughter's heart? What is this reaction like jumping down to her about making a choice and and giving a crap about Dean's feelings? Is what about her

own daughter's feelings that she hasn't seen in months? Who just came back and got slammed in the face, you know, by by Jess and this other girl, And now she's sitting there dying in the street with her dress, And I mean, what on earth about Jess? And I know that, but she's sixteen, for God's sake, be a little you know better, mother, Be be a little more gentle with your own daughter. She's her heart is breaking, right. I

think she's being a great mom. She's tried, and at a certain point you gotta let your kid figure out on their own what's going on. I'm team Scott Riley, back me I with Daniel this one. I don't I don't like it when parents talk to their kids like their screw ups. I don't like that. I don't think you should ever talk to your kid like the kids screw up. Yeah, have some, have some, especially especially if it's a if it's somebody who is so so precocious

and so sweet and so gentle natured as Rory. I thought that that was an abomination I was as a parent. I was offended. Rory is doing sweet? What is what Rory is? What Rory is doing sweet? She's a confused, in love sixteen year old girl. She is not worldly. She she is just an open soul and a sweet soul who is has is having her first experience at at being in some kind of a love triangle, you know, as she's exposed to a bad boy. I'm not mad at the messaging, loyalizes, No, it's not that you need

to get this figured out. But it was how she could have just a tone that it was harsh I agree with. It was a real tongue lashing man in public from in front of her broken hearted daughter. I was like, no, no, no, get her out of there. Like I would have been like, let's get out and let's go to Luke and have a cup of coffee and and talk it through. What does Roy needs. So there's three characters that were damaged for me and I didn't like it. Yeah, so that's not Laurel. I she's

more compassionate pathetic than that. That's that's not Jess. You know what's going on. Everybody's getting knocked down a notch um bean Dean and she was like, hey, god off, that poor step shows up. I mean, of course he was probably up in the tree. No pun intended SAP trade. Thank you very much, effectives though, because I don't. But it's really interesting to hear how everyone feels about it. Sorry, I'm going back was with me on the SAP thing.

I'm still thinking about who was right, who was wrong, and it's just kind of a massive I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. I'm just saying my my feeling of it, how it hit, how it landed for me, just seemed I don't know off for me. I agree to all right, So now we're gonna go to the Gilmore and that hell. You know,

I was glad Laura like told them. It took her too long, but I was glad she told them about Christopher and Sherry and the baby, because I didn't enjoy when they were blaming lower a lie or Emily was you know, I learned some new information from that scene, which is always helpful, you know, if you want to critique, uh, the the overall series and its episodes and its scenes.

But I you know, I did. Maybe they mentioned this earlier in the series, in the first two seasons, but I did not know that Laurela I pushed Christopher away when she was sixteen and he wanted to be a family. I didn't know that he learned a glimpse of that. Yeah, well but that's fine. It's been subtle. We don't totally know, but we got glimpses that he would have stayed with her and I think maybe even marry her. But again, right, okay, well again, we're talking about a sixteen year old girl

who has a baby. We're not you know, her brain isn't fully formed yet, right, she's sixteen, She's not making good decisions. And here we have, you know, we have Richard and Emily, you know, the two headed cyclops telling their thirty two year old daughter what a complete screw up she is, again and again and again, with every sarcastic dripping horrible comment coming out of their mouth. I mean, these are two of the nastiest people. I mean, for

God's sake, are they nasty to that girl? No wonder she you know what, No wonder she got the hell out of there. No wonder she didn't want any part of that. And I think that part of her that came out at Rory in the prior scene is too much Emily, and is the reason she got the hell away from those people, because there was on a certain level, they are awful. I mean, do you want to be Scott,

You're so right? She reacted to like Emily reaction a similar way to the way her parents reacted, and it's like, where is the like if they should have felt bad for lor lies. She wanted to be with Christopher finally it's happening, and then this happens, and he's trying to do the right thing. It's very harold. God, I wanted to punch Richard in the face. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe how he was talking to her. I

could not believe it. You know, she she had every right too, and she I mean, I mean, continuing to get beaten down by those two monsters for you know, it's life, it's you know, she drove them, I mean, they drove her to that behavior. She's sixteen years old. She made a bad decision, you know, she went against her wishes again, and she's a I think I'm at the point where I'm tired of these two people telling their daughter they're they're quite spectacular daughter, uh, that she's

to screw up. I'm sick of it. I don't want to see it anymore. You know, It's like I've had two seasons of it, and she's defended herself and and now, you know, here's the interesting thing. Now I get why Laurelai is so a cerbic with her wit towards her parents. It's a it's a complete defense mechanism. It started at sixteen, probably started prior to that. You know, she's smart, she's fast,

she's funny, she's quick. And now it explains all of the successive dialogue because that's a defense mechanism as well. She's using humor and she's using volumes of words as an armor, as a shield. Even once she interacts with her own daughter, that's her most safe space. She does it with other people too. She does it with everybody, am I is this amateur psychology one on one? Thank you? But this is this is now I get why there's

so much verbiage. It's because she was raised and escaped two of the most horrible people that I have ever seen on television. How can you talk to your daughter that way? Emily and Richard are complicated because I do think they have many, many, many redeeming qualities as well.

They're not all bad. Wait a minute. Richard's all how competent and how smart, and how helpful and how loving his own daughter was when he was setting up his own office, right, he was let go for whatever reasons, and he now he knows that his daughter is indeed not a screw up her daughter. His daughter is very competent, and he didn't want her to leave. He wanted her to stay. And now he's back to the same old tropes. I think Richard is an abusive father. I think Emily

is a completely abusive mother, and I'm boy. I think that's one of the things that disturbed me the most about this is how much I started disliking those two just beating up on her, on their daughter like that, just beating up on that because I think there's some truth to what you're saying. I mean, she's a she's in a bad deal. That's a bad deal for her. She's got to go there every Friday night and take that crap. I feel I feel bad for her. Yeah,

why she left? Now I got it. Hey, you know, didn't come to me right away, but now I got it. That's the thing these this show is not whatever it's it's complicated. And you go from a scene where you're loving it to something like this, sorry that that, that scene was vil that that that was vile again, and now you're hurt. You're destroying those two characters. You're really goes, what did you think of that? I love that scene. I really love that scene. And you know, I she

had nowhere else to go. Oh I see, I look at it differently. Not she had nowhere else to go. She went to where she was meant to be interesting. Well said wow destiny, huh wow. But I mean she opened up and she she was justifiably upset. I mean, having her reality is just not man. She's got this great town, these great people, it's great daughter, and she's got to deal with those two monsters every week. Good God, I feel bad for her. I really love her. I

really love her character. I really I really love Laurela. I really do. I think that she is a a woman made out of iron and all heart and soul and um man, she just wants to keep it light, doesn't she. She just wants laughs because she didn't get him growing up heavy stuff all heavy, heavy, Richard Emily bs garbage, status, pressure, belittling and psychological torture every day of her life. Magnitude of having a baby at sixteen, basically no support. Throw that in. Yeah, thanks a lot,

Mom and dad, you were great. I really appreciate that. And there's and now she has to relive it because Christopher, you know, it is what he is, and now he's trying to do the right thing. And you know, I think Richard spelled it out very succinctly, right, you know, he he's he's a guy that tried to do the right thing back in the day. And you know, of course you stopped that, Laura Lie, because you're who you are. It's just the way the way they expressed it, which

is exactly how I felt about Laura Lae. Her sentiment was correct in that you need to make a decision about Dean, like you're going after the bad boy. But it's the way she did. I even think Richard verbalizing it was abusive. Why throw it in her face? What's the point except they're so self indulgent with their need to express their utter disappointment in that woman. God, man, I would write them off. I would never go back there, you know, I would never ever go back there after

a tongue lashing like that. But she has to, and I think maybe that's why Amy wrote this. I think, let's put a girl in an impossible situation with a great kid. She's a spectacular strong woman, independent woman who made a choice, and she has to go back into the into the tiger's den week after week after week,

and the chair her chair, and her whip is her wit. God, that's so interesting you said that because it's like there are so many laughs in this episode, But really you're right, like this show is so much deeper and there's so much context that is that's what it's really about. And the fact that they're able to give us those laughs amidst all this, maybe that's why we're so hooked. I think so. Were you happy to see Luke and Laurel.

I resolve their situation, I think, And this this is one of my favorite lines and one of the bigger laughs. And the thing was when he was listing all her capabilities and her iron stomach, that meant he was forgiving her because he was joking around with her a little bit and he's so comfortable with her that he can say something off the cuff like that, and I think it gave her a great comfort. And then come again, Mimi, and I was just like, I'm I've now melted, like

um lushy, this is so good. That great writing. It was great writing. That's a great line. Yeah, it was a very very I love the Luca moralized stuff and this it was very tender. It was it really really was without it being overtly tender and sweet on her part. It's not it's not or whatever. It's just and she really had a monologue there and it was like she

just nailed it. And you are so subtle with the way like and I I hope I don't seem like stupid trying to be like a like analyzing acting, but it's like the way you move and just the subtlety of it, just the slight with the towel or the whatever you're doing over there. It's just so you're just completely hooked. It's so good. And enacting parlance, it's called being connected to the character to the other. Yeah, I mean, listen,

you know I enjoyed that scene very much. That it was a powerful scene for me, you know, really really was um And that's you know, I think, just in an acting sense, to get a little wonky. You know, the smaller you can work, the better. And uh, and that really called for it. You know, you think you're good at that because it's so you're so there and so like your presence is big, but it's so like just subtle. But yeah, I have to be careful because I'm kind of large. Is that because you're tall you

have to be careful. You can't flail around if you're large, little little guys can flail around. And so as as we've gone through it, I kind of get why you didn't love it. But looking now that we've discussed it, how do you feel about the episode? You know what, You're right? I think it was a pretty outstanding episode. I would give it an A, not an a minus, not an A plus, but I would give it an A. I I think it had enough there to give a

top marks. I was just a little and and since it's a season premiere, I think they'll rehabilitate these characters in some way, shape or form. Will be we'll have, you know, we'll hit the relief valve and go, oh, thank god, you know. But I think it's just a way of ratcheting up the tension right at the top of the season, you know, and setting up for what's to come. So I'm still going to give it an A now that we've discussed it. Yeah, I've come around

a little bit. But those few things I'm telling you and being honest with you in the moment last night when I was watching it not a happy camper, I'm glad that you tell us, Like, what did you guys think now that we've discussed it. I love half of it and I didn't like half of it, but I would I would agree with the A rating. Yeah, I would say I like the whole thing because I love the complicated stuff. Yeah, it isn't amazing that this show can even have awarts and all is still great, still great.

We've done a lot of the lines. Also sidebar the fashion fashion this was great fashion before we get two lines, I got a time code for everyone. Fool clown pillow if anybody saw it was in your face right there. I'm not gonna lie, guys. I immediately went on eBay and purchased not one, but two of the Hello Kitty alarm clock. Like, I don't even want to think about how dirty and jeremy the clock is going to be because it's obviously like twenty plus years old. But I

cannot wait. It's already shipped. I cannot wait. You know, the Hello Kitty guys, I think I spent forty two dollars on each one. So I spent almost a hundred dollars on two. What do you going to do with those? Give you one after I'm gonna take a lot of four oh nine and clean it and then give you one, and I'm gonna put one back here when we do this Show're gonna watched Abon's Live where we just have a prop like prop like wall behind us, which just

keeps getting Gilmore junk, Gilmore junk. I think I ordered a Gilmore T shirt too, that I hopefully we're wearing soon. Um, alright, cool, So I think I think we went through it. So the line, my line is I'm ranting. You should recognize this. I learned it from you. Mine's from Michelle, so sad not to have a cocktail in your hand every time he comes by. No, mine was from Paris. Was it a good ask out? Was it a good ask out? Yeah?

She didn't really, she was getting asked out. I there was a couple, but I settled on the look line and your iron stomach. Oh yeah, it's right up there with I think the Yanique line was better. H No, do tell you know when it's just his attitude, not the line so much, but his attitude when he was just staring at Kirk like and told disbelief about his cows don't wrinkle lotion. So but I'm gonna go with the look line, iron stomach, and your iron stomach. So

that's it. I think we picked up apart pretty well. I would like people to let us know if they liked us going through it in order. I think they do. I think they do. I think get some complaints about our jumping. I think I think they do, because I think we also inevitably can't help ourselves to create a lot of chaos during our tangential chaos inclinations, So it's yeah, I think it's just an ournature. Anyway, that was fun,

great season premiere. All in all, Um, they're gonna, really the writers are gonna rehabilitate those characters and it's going to be very entertaining to watch, and I'm very eager to see how they do it, you know. Um, but uh, sometimes you have to do what they say in the writer's room. You gotta kill your your favorite children, and they certainly did that in this episode. So anyway, thanks everybody for downloading and listening. Uh, you're the best fans

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