I am all in, kiss you, I am all in with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, we are really excited to talk with this very special guest. Uh. He's a massive guest and I think you're all going to be very pleased. Um. We are going to be talking with Chad Michael Murray who portrayed Tristan so beautifully. Uh. And as my under staying, this is the last time we're gonna see him in this episode, so uh that we're gonna drop after we
dropped this episode. It's gonna be a runaway little boy. I think was his last episode unfortunately. Um. And we're gonna get to know Chad a little better and talk about a little behind the scenes stuff and his characterization, his impressions. To go more girls. Let's just bring him in. Can't wait. Buddy the man? How are you doing? Pal? And I'm living a dream man. You look good, you look better. I miss your face more. Have you have you been doing? An old Spice said that you just
came back from You look very manly. You look very old spicy. Well, you know, I appreciate it. We did we we did have November. Um, no, no, No, it's a it's a combination of things. Actually had surgery about a month ago. Yeah, I did kind of turn it down, turn everything off, and I had my I tore the labor off my and my hip off the bone. Now, how did you do that interval sprints? Oh? God, oh man, you know I almost did that same thing lifting weights. Yeah, I know how. I mean, I didn't quite have to
have surgery, but I know what that feels like. God darn it. So I made it. I made a promise to myself. I'm not said I'm not shaving until I can run again. It works, man, it works, It's working huge. You're looking very you know, spicy. Well, it's the season. So tomorrow, believe it or not, this entire thing, all of this will be white story. What. Yeah, I'm taking the kids out and uh, we're gonna, you know, show
them about giving back. And so I'm I'm Santa Jr. I'm not old enough to be Santa just yet, Santa Jr. And you know, I had the great privilege of working with Sarah, your wife. She played my daughter. I adore hers. She played my daughter in the event two thousand and ten at NBC, that big Events series that The UH went a year and then I didn't get renewed, but I got to work for Sarah and I'm so glad you guys are together and you have two children, and
isn't that wonderful? That's just wonderful. I'm so blessed beyond man. She is, She's my rock. We do everything together, so wherever wherever work is, we go as a pack. The whole family goat right. And another thing, I wasn't aware of this, but my producers informed me that you had some very complimentary things to say about me. So I want to thank you for that that that is very nice. I compliment a lot of people all the time. I don't hear it so much about me, so it was
really it's really nice to you here. You know, everybody I talked, everybody I talked things to say about you. You come in. You are luke man. You give love in a way and you're also able to receive it. But you're so humble and so kind. Like you felt like that really really cool uncle when Jared and I were there season one. For me, I was there season one, you felt like that really cool uncle. And then we did another project later on down the road and again
you were just awesome. And every time I've ever crossed paths with you, man, You're just nothing but hug smiles and love and it just it goes a long way. But thank you, man. I really appreciate that. I had a wonderful time and you were you were you were great guys, and I was just happy to be there. Um, And you know, Jared was very uh, Jared had a lot of questions. I remember, young eighteen year old Jared had a lot of questions. And I did I remember taking I don't know that I took you under my
wings so much, but I kind of did. Um. But Jared had a lot of questions and he was just so wide eyed. And I were you a little older than him when you came understan You were a couple of years older, right, a couple of years older. He came in Gilmore at seventeen. Remember he was right star in school, straight out of high school Choice Awards, straight into a show with boom, first audition, boom. It was like Alexis, remember Alexis up, well, she came out in
y U. She was like what a freshman year? Yeah, oh my goodness. Alright, for me. I'd already, you know, kind of I've done a couple of gigs here and there, and I had screen tested for a couple of things, so I kind of knew a little bit, but I learned. I you know, I really sharpened my teeth a lot on that show. And that show is so very different than any other show that have been on even still to this day, because of how quick everything is and
how there's no time for beats. There's no pauses, so you really have to rehearse at home to make sure that you're able to fill in those moments with the emotion that should have actually existed, even though you don't have time to play it out right. Yeah, made everybody felt like playing in the NFL. It's like the young quarterbacks out of college ago. This is too fast. It takes a couple of years, right, the thing that you can plead a pass without getting intercepted. But anyway, let's
get into uh, your history with the show. Um, and I'm gonna need my spell X here we go, boom there. Jeez, you look even better now that I can see you. Oh my god. Uh, this is called red standard. How old your boy boys? Six? Oh? Man? I have a seven year old. I have a seven year old boy, and it's just such a one I do. He's it's such a wonderful age. Oh my god, such a He's not a sports kid, No, No, he's more of a robotics math kid. He uh, he likes building stuff. He's
obsessed with robotics. I have him in robotics camp and he's just kind of I don't know, it's like, I mean, he can do sports and I've taught him baseball and basketball all the stuff, and he's got a great arm, he's got all all the stuff, but he just doesn't want to do it so much, you know, And I'm not going to force him. I just you know, he's a great artist. He just one student of the month at is elementary school. And you know, I'm just kind of letting him follow his sort of talents and his
passions and supporting that. So that's what you do. That's what you do, Scott. I love you just nursed her, you n I love it. Well, my point the same thing, hybrid. He loved building and he loves He's so good at school it's blows my mind. He's got a photographic memory and so forget forget anything that you try to cover up because he remembers what sports is, the where he's going now. Um, And he's just big. He's big, man. He's like, well, you're big. And Sarah's tall. She's five ten,
isn't she five nine? Five tens? She's tall. Her dad's a giant. I'm the runt of the litter in my family. My brothers my like, my dad's six to. My brothers are six five, six four or six three dad six to mothers five eleven. But you're six to you're sick good six. I'm six one. I'm six one. I'm six one. My wife's tall. But Sarah's father, he's got that like his myke cabs are the size of his wrists and that's what our son has. And I can't even pick
him up anymore. He's only six. Come on, he's a beast. Oh my goodness, it's so great. I love being a dad. Oh my god, congratulate your boy. I got your boy went when when we're out there in the world, we gotta make sure we link up, get the kids together. Absolutely, man, Um, what do you remember about the role of Tristan on Gilmore Girls? Do you remember about that we we just we you know, we we did an episode and we were so uh. I mean, I just love your character.
I love that guy. I love Tristan, I really feel him. And that's such a tragic last line when you're going off to military school, when you say so long Mary. I mean, it was so filled with meaning and it's almost like you saying that you love her, and I just I can't say that to you now, but I want you to know that. But anyway, what do you what do you remember about that role? I always remember when I originally made notes, because I like to make notes on every script that I read, no matter what.
And I just remember that I wanted him to be the guy that you didn't know if you should be close to him, but boil boy, did you want to be? And so I always wanted to keep everybody at arms distance, and so everything was a deflection, right, and everything that he did, which is a very you know, it's a typical stereotype that we see in in the world, right. We see this type of personality that is so damaged due to childhood trauma, you know, interestance cases, parenting, that
you belittle others to make yourself feel good. Even though it's not doing any good and it's this vicious cycle of a downward spiral. Even though he's honest and true. Emotions were that he found her intriguing, he thought she was smart, intelligent, beautiful, and that he did love her. Um, he just didn't know how to voice his feelings because he wasn't raised in the family that it's such h
that's what I remember about me. He's the guy that you want to be near, but I'm not sure I shouldn't right right, Well, Uh, mission accomplished there because that I feel that tension when I'm watching the character to push the poll. I'm attracted to him but repelled at the same time. And it's it's it's a very interesting and very difficult to pull off. It's a testament to your skills because that's really it's skills in front of a camera. Uh. When it comes down to it's fun
Amy Amy, Amy crushed it. What can we say right right? When they serve up that kind of dialogue and those kinds of situations. You know, I'm not saying that it's easy to pull off, but it is just easier. You know that it's easy when it's when it's served up
for you on a silver platter. It's easier to make a meal out of it, and you have a piece meal and you're going, Okay, Now, I got some work to do to assemble a B C D. And as I've gotten older, I mean it's been twenty two years now since I've been working in the industry, and uh, it gets easier as you get older. That's why I chose the career, because I knew the longer I was in it, the better I would get, the easier it would become, and therefore more fascinating to be involved in.
Um what do you remember about that your first day on set? I'm sure it was nerves and tension. I don't wait, Scott when it comes to memories, oh did. I always felt when I was younger that like, we only have were like a computer, right, and you get the one terabyte system, you gotta upgrade two terabyte system. I feel like I was like somewhere around like the you know, thirty two gig iPhone. New information comes in and I blame I blame concussions to be completely too many.
I played football for eleven years a boarding and I had, you know, a bunch of brothers and we beat the living snot out of each other. Growing up, My long term memory is kind of shot. How many brothers did you do you have? Uh? Uh, let's see, don't you remember? I'm working on it. So I have three natural and then I have a half another half brother. Then I have a step brother. Oh my god, I had three step brothers. Yeah, wow, yeah, I know what that's like. Yeah,
a lot of fights. Yeah, alright, So let's I have a list of fan questions here, I'll go down. Let's see which one. Let's I'll try to cherry pick a couple of try to make a little easier. Do you think Tristan had true feelings for Rory? Yeah? Not even questions, not even question too. Um, what was it like working with her? Alexis someone Alexis she's uh man, she's like the ndon. You got to pull the layers back on.
She can close off to everybody, and she's so well at walling everybody off right, and you peel the layers to get to the heart with her, and so, you know, it just depends on the type of personality you are and who you are and how trusting you are, and you better darn well be a trusting, good human being
in order to appeal those layers back. And that's kind of that's what I noticed, And that was you know, gosh, it was twenty years still, so it was a long time ago, but that back then, that's what I that's what I recall. That is perceptive. That's very perceptive. I felt. I feel exactly the same way. Not that I would have verbalized it with such eloquence as you just did, but man, I agree, I agree with you. I don't know. I probably had a book I was reading off it
was a cheat chee uh um. What would you have liked to see them explore more on the relationship or would you have liked to explore that relationship with them more? Because I think that's one of the things that I mean, it left me wanting so much more. When you exited that series, you were no longer there, so that relationship,
to me, had the moment it was so fraught with potential. Yeah, and well they built that, they built it, and um, you know, I will take responsibilities on me um that you know, I don't think the true depth of that relationship evercame at fruition. It's on me, um. I don't know. There was an episode in season two where Tristan goes off to military school in North Carolina, i e. Being Dawson's Creek, i e. Being One Tree Hill where we shot in North Carolina. That was military school, my friend.
So for me, it was, um, it was about just wanting as an actor, you know this, trying on different clothes, different costumes, different walks, different talks, different fields, getting up in the morning and having a fresh shirt. It's different, right, And sitting in the same character for too long can get stagnant, and we always forget how blessed we are when we're in those moments, right, because creatively you can get stifled. Not that the character was stifling, They did
a great job. But I was so young that I needed to find out who Chat is? Who is Chat as an actor? Where can I go? What can I do? And you know it led to me discovering so much about myself that I genuinely wouldn't be the man I was today. Without making that decision, you know, I could have stayed there and spent six seasons on. So they offered you a full deal. Yeah, but yeah, we we had we had the discussion and for me, it was I had at the time, I had a deal with
Warner Brooks. So I had gone let's say I moved out to in September and by January it felt like old Hollywood. I had a development deal with Warren Brothers. I screen tested for a pilot called Day One, and uh, I didn't get it. It went to Paul. Paul was a Luski, which is I forgot his real name or his new name. His name Paul Vampire Diaries, Paul Paul right right, right, right, right right, and he we we
tested opposite. He got the pilot, and they gave me a development deal and said, all right, you're in house now, so you know when things would come through. They'd SENTI scripts I audition and Gilmore Gross was the first thing that came on this late. And so when the opportunity came through to stay on Gilmore and really see I just wanted to know more about me, and I said, you know, I'd love the opportunity to continue to look and find out what that thing is that is me.
And one free Hill came around and there was the choice between Lucas and Nathan, and I remember that decision I had to make, and Nathan had a lot of trysting qualities in them on the Onetrey Hill. On Onetree Hill, Lucas was a moral compass and I hadn't played that yet at that point in my career. I was always playing the backway, whether it was Dawson's Creek, Gilmore Girls, whatever it was. And so I chose a more compass and I wanted to go a different round discover more
about myself. And that's that's that's the truth, Scott. I laid it out for you and you're like sitting in the barber's chair. I just unveiled my step. Um. For those of you listening who do not know what a holding deal or a development deal, was it a holding deal A classic holding deal, right class golden deal? Yeah. So what that is is the studio will and they're very rare um. They think very highly of people if they give them a holding deal or a development deal
is uh. And they're all different types of development deals with like major movie stars and they're far more complex. But a holding deal, UH with one of brothers for TV is they will pay you X amount of money over a certain period of time to stay in their stable. Um and they have the right of first refusal. You know. I think you can do other things, you just have to get permission, but not in that time frame. Uh yeah. And I think I was allowed to do like three
guest episodes. Um, and if another pilot came up, they had to be aware of it and they could say you can't do it, you know, like BBS offered me a show. Then I'm owned by one of brothers. I was one of brothers. Basically awesome. I mean, what a We're a great compliment like to me, Warner Brothers is always the the epitome of like, that's where I want to be. I remember growing up and seeing the Warner Brothers logo, you know, and watching Looney Tunes and all
those different shows and just seeing that. I remember the first time I walked on they can Walk Close a lot, I had felt like not so much that I made it, but it was a little bit of disbelief coming on.
Like I'm on the Warner Brothers lot where so many iconic films, much was shot, So many stories could be told if these walls could talk, and remember we shot we filmed next to Friends are Set, so like so many things happened there, and I was so just blown away by one of those and still grateful to this day for the opportunity to come in and to make television and those plaques on the side of the sound
stages where we shot. You know, we had a couple of different sound stages we use, but the one of them, the main one, was like, that's where they shot street car named Desire for God's Sake, and it's like, you're in there where Brando used to act, and it's like, you're kidding me, So yeah, it's it's it's quite something. Um, it's quite something. Uh it uh, all right, So the friction. Let's talk about the friction. There was friction with your
character with almost every other character. What were your experiences like with Paris lizoh Wheel What were those like? Because we talked about Paris on the show a lot, So what was your experience like her? Gosh, she was such a she had she was such an actress. I remember always feeling slightly intimidated by her. I don't know that's true. I don't know why, but at the time, I definitely
remember just feeling intimidated by her. I don't know if it was because I don't necessarily know, but she kind of seemed like she came from a theater and trained background. It was a total character that she was putting on. It wasn't her playing any like random version of herself, right, So she was really delving in to get there, and it was intimidating and her words always landed. And as an actor, especially when you're just starting off and something
hits you, you feel it. And so I remember just always feeling it when she sent the message. That's what I remember most. And she was great. Everyone was great on the girls were all everyone was so kind, And you know, I always felt like a fish out of water because I come in, I do one episode and then be gone for three. And then I come in and I do two episodes and I'll be gone for one and everyone else was kind of there the majority of the time season one, So it always felt like
I just had to walk on. Then I used to make sure that I didn't step on any toad, you know what I mean. Um, here's a question from a fantas from Sarah and Tulsa, Oklahoma. Um, and this is a question I get a lot, you know how similar? What are the similarities between Luke and myself? What what are the similarities between you and Tristan any I mean when we delve delve earlier, we delved into the the psychosis of Tristan and how he likes to keep people
at arms distance. And I would say that that's very true with me, especially more today. A um that is really built. Um, I built a layer of kind of scar to shortop scar to shortop of scar tissue where letting people in is much harder today. UM, I don't behave in the irrational sense that Tristan did, and that that's his youth, right and and some people never grow out of that. Some people do the work to get away from that, and UM, you know, I think that
was part of my growing up, right. There was always a part of me that I think I would want to lash out at things that I was either envious u or jealous of, or whatever it may have been. I would think that there was definitely parts of me interesting as Tristan in me. But if I was to sit back and say, today, just keeping people at arms distance and not necessarily letting people in until you can really uncover like Alexis, and you peel that onion back
and you go, now I know who you are. You know because Sarah always says this, and I love I love this about Sarah. You know, we took our time doing the whole courting thing because she's like, look, a leopard always shows spots. Eventually, you know you can. You can. You can fake it for only so long before you're going to start to show who you really are. And I love that patient approach instead of jumping into things. So that's where i'd say, underneath the surface, that's where
Tristan and I agree. Not to mention we both have the same hair. You both do have great hair, that's for sure, the same. I didn't say great. I will look at me. I think I have good hair, but compared to you, I mean, look at those locks, like it was beautiful. Yeah, a little curler any more. And I don't even have a columb anymore. Who am I folding? You know? I use a cut just I don't. I've never used to colmb on my hair, calmb on my beard. I don't know. Yeah, he's a call on my shoulder hair.
Uh can we talk anyway? Yeah? Do you think that? And here's this is from Margaret from Orlando, Florida. In your opinion, was Tristan rude or was he just misunderstood? Well, it was it was rude. There's there's no question about whether he was rude or not. Whether you misunderstood or not, you still have there's an action to a reaction, right,
or there's a reaction to someone else's action. Just because he may or may not have act in a certain way doesn't mean it wasn't rude, even if he was misunderstood. So I think it's a combination of both. Was Tristan misunderstood and if you were to sit down with Tristan in like a scenario where he felt comfortable, I think you'd find now all sorts of things that nobody knew about him. You know, I guarantee his father and his
mother were not in his life. I guarantee he was a rogue soldier that was moving down and every day he was told, how how lucky are you? I worked for everything I had? Look at you, You get it all gifted to you. You better show up, you better shine, you're you're you're you're a nasan the whole. No one gets all this stuff handed to him. I guarantee he
lived that existence growing up. And if you knew someone in that position, then you can sympathize with them and say, Okay, he doesn't just have a silver spoon or the golden spoon up his you know what. He he's human and he was dealt these cards. But he also doesn't have real true love in his life. Now, if you ask me money, I love. It is a no brainer. Every time, it's love. Every time I tell people time and time again, you know, whether it's birthday's Christmas is whatever it may be.
Um or if I see like a big family and they like make an effort to come to convention and they drag someone over and you know they're crying, and I go, you know, this is fantastic, this opportunity that we're having. But you know, the greatest gift that you just received, there's no one that you would have loved. You was so loved. There's the greatest gift you can ever receive. Take it and run and carry that with you day and day and know that you would love.
And I don't think Tristan had as much of that as we would have hoped for him. And that's why he lashed out, you know, out of insecurity, out of hope and hoping that he wasn't going to get shut down again. So much is expected of Hi when he fails being the son of a man who resents you because he had to work so hard to give you everything, and then he resents you for it. That's the tragedy.
It's an American tragedy. And uh, it's off three. It's it's often repeated throughout the generations, and it's really unfortunate, um um, and very very well put. And you know, I felt that that's what draws me to that character. He does need love, and that's all of his actions are reflective of that. And it's very compelling to watch. Even in the scene with Dean, when you're being such a jerk and so antagonistic with Dean, you're doing it in such a way where you know, it's just very
It's not that it's noncommittal. It's not that you're not that Tristan isn't committing to those actions. It's that, I don't know, he's almost for me. It's almost like he would rather be there's some space there with he would rather be friends with Dean, or maybe there's a little feels like a show, right, he's putting on a show. He's totally putting on a show. None, None of this is all real. He's putting on a show and he's peacocking right as they would say. He's peacocking and hoping
that that win's out. Why, it's probably what he was trained by his father time and time again. You know, someone walks in an office and his dad goes to fired, get out of here, you're done? Oh really? Okay? Well, you know, and he's seen that type of behavior, and when you see that type of behavior, you will acted out. And that again, it gets carried down from genitor generation to generation, and you have to get to a point where Tristan needed to get to a point where the
buck stops here. I'm not going to allow this to continue. And I believe that if we would have gone further with Tristan, if that path would have been the chosen path, I believe that we would have found that he had a heart of gold and that he was just damaged. And I think that we would have we would have found that he loves and he loves big, and he's hurt, you know, and he would have he would have had to clean on to someone, and I wonder who got
someone would have been. I feel like someone would have probably become a mother figure in his life who knows who, and would have nurtured him. You know what I saw you doing as an actor, I saw you doing it, and I appreciate it so much because it really let me know about out how Tristan really needs that love. As you would take little pauses every once in a while and you'd look at her and I thought, Wow, it's that. I mean, this guy is that good an
actor where that's all it takes. And then we know, we know, we see that moment into his whole past and his whole present about how he's treated at home and how conflicted he is, and how much he needs her because in his what he thinks is somewhat of a commitment to being this jerk, he's out a little bit out of control of it. There are those moments where you take that pause and you look at her and you're so wanting her and you're so near her,
and it's just beautiful. It's beautiful to many moments of vulnerability. Man, there's pure vulnerability there. And I do remember reading with Amy back in the audition and she said what she liked was that I do a but also the vulnerability she needed to see that vulnerability, and I think that's ultimately what what I wanted for me, and that's what where the marriage came from between Chad and Tristan, was
the vulnerability to bring it to his purpose. He's he's you know, it's uh, he's right now, one of my favorite characters. Um, And I don't think I'm going to see him again, am I? You're gone? Yeah? No, you know how many episodes did you? You just you did more than this? Is it? You? That's it. I'm not gonna see anymore. I'm gonna watch these episodes that you're not going to show up. I don't know. You know, it's funny, you guys when you guys, it sounds like
a personal problem. Maybe you can go back and watch the reruns. I don't think so the uh you know they sell him on DVD. You can go back and watch them and be right there. Sounds like a problem, you know, the the reunion. They did the union and I think the day that they had the day that they picked the shoot the Tristan scene, my wife and I were having a baby, yeah, and we had it scheduled and we couldn't reschedule because it was induced labor.
They also came together also last second and boom we're having it was like, sorry, so I heard that life got it's a little more for me. Yeah, Hey, let's talk about your projects. I know you got a couple. You got a toying with the Holidays, Angel Falls Christmas, and you got a Bruce Willis film and you're right on the poster with Bruce Willis called Fortress. Tell us a little bit about about these projects coming up. Man,
that's exciting. Uh, you know, just blessed to continue to work and continue to um to delve into play with the instrument. Man. You know, you get up in the morning and you try and like I said, you're trying a new outfit and a new character and it just feels so good. Uh. Fortress was a riot. You know, he's a South Jersey boy. He grew up down the street from me without tell me what it was like. Working with was fantastic. Bruce is great. Bruce and I, um,
we get along really well. Uh. And you know there'd be times where he'd take me aside and we'd have like just a little personal chance, and he wouldn't He just didn't do that a lot. You know. He kind of would do his thing and then that's it. But I felt it was incredibly gratifying knowing that I got to have those private moments with him, right and and
have those conversations. You know, we talked about you know, he's good old you know, Armageddon and die Hard and you know, just stories from behind the scenes and you know, the whole at living sequence with um, you know, gippy kaa mother, and we talked about just so many different things down to you know, just human living with the certain ricks are and UM and I borrow from everyone that I work with, director, producer's crew. I try to
just take the best of everybody. He gave me some things that really meant a lot to me, and and so yeah, it was great. The characters that I play in this film is absolutely insane, and I think you're gonna love it. So that's gonna be in theaters December and correct correct and Angel Falls is Christmas. Angel Falls Christmas is now on IMDbTV, im BBTV streaming. Wa'ts it now?
I love that film, very very very different, complete polar opposite playing an angel and and his job in in this life is to be basically a relationship counselor okay, but it's a fallen Angels scenario, you know, falling for the girl who's not supposed to what do you do? So it's City of Angels meets It's Wonderful Life and all those great movies all kind of piled at one
another character piece. And then Toying What the Holidays comes up this Saturday on Lifetime December eighteenth on Lifetime, Toying with the Holidays, check it out. And then Thursday after your board, Um, I'm playing I played Ted Bundy and uh oh yeah, I saw that very different film and that comes out of Hulu on Thursday. So what's going on? Man? You're just like, are you ever home? No, You're just
you're just filming all the time we have been. Look, I made a decision that I was like, you know what, Look and instead of saying no to everything I'm not, start saying yes and open my mind and learn and create relationships and just trying different avenue. And what I found is I've made so many new friends, i found so many new relationships, and I've been able to try out so many different things as an actor. Right, some have been awesome, some failed miserably and that's fine. It's
completely fine with me. But I'm learning more about myself, which is awesome. And my kids and I we live on the road. Son's been on overs, that's sick. And um, you know this year we were gone all year until I have my surgery a month ago. Now we're we put a pain in it. I want time out and we we We picked back up January eighth, heading to shoot a Western So like, at you go, man, Good for you, Good for you. Alright, he'll up, gotta go. I know you're busy. You gotta get you, gotta get
out of here. We've taken up far too much of your Time's all good at you. Gotta love you, buddy. Yeah, I love you too. Man. It's so great catching up. And uh yeah, I'll get your I'll get your info from from Amy and Gang and we'll connect man and get our kids together. By the way, are you west side? East side? Where are you? We? We are actually closer to the beach now. I sold my place. I got out of l a proper. Well. Yeah, I've been there a long time, you know, I've been there eighteen years,
nineteen years in that house. So it was time. It was time so we're You know, my wife likes the the ocean, she likes the beach, and uh, I think my wife, we're probably in the same neighborhood that money. We could be. We'll talk down the road, yes we will. All right. Such a pleasure, man, great catching up and good luck with everything. Best is Sarah? Okay, tell her I said, hold on all right, will I will see
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