Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. I'm Scott and I'm Jeff, and we just watched episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County. Or Temecula. Yeah, well, if you will. Or Beverly Hills. She wishes. I like my voice just cracked a little bit right there we went a little. We're not killing. It's time. To change. Yes, I'm a I'm a modern day Peter Brady. Yes, Yeah, it's a good episode.
It was, like you said, in the middle of it, like a low stakes strike, insanely low stakes drama. But that's what we need after all this, you know, dark lying, drugging conversation. Right. But they don't need to be like an in between. And I think it's going to go shift to dark again next week,
but we'll get to that. Yeah, it's it's kind of like there are some moments there's some funny moments, but it just feels like there's an there's an elephant in the room without them being in the room because without Katie there, it's so obvious that she's not there and that we're just like, we're just carrying on like as normal. But as normal is just, you know, as normal is cuts on my head. Heather is afraid of Tamara and Shannon and Tamara. I don't give AI don't and Jenna
the fatty photo. Well, but I mean, they're at least getting to and addressing some of the. They're addressing with. They're not letting it go, but we'll go in order, OK, All right. That's fair. How did it start? I mean, I, I forget it, I forget exactly how it started. With it was a montage of like, you know, Shannon at the facial doc facial, doctor facial. Dermatologist. There you go with her daughter and other things, blah blah blah. How about I give this a try?
To me it, it started with Tamara calling Shannon to invite her on the lights. And that's really what where that started happening. And that's where like Shannon was like Tamara did a really good impression of of Shannon too, where she's like, yeah, I called her and I was just like when she's explaining to Emily, I guess I called her and I was like invited her and she was just kind of like, well, I guess like, aren't I? Yeah, yeah, I guess I'll be there. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm just exhausted by the OK. And I've said this before, what Tamara did to Shannon last year was horrible. And she just needs to like be like that was horrible. I think she has and she's really tried to apologize and it's just not resolving itself. And it's Shannon has. I would I wish Shannon would say you have every right to be wary of me giving what I did to you. And I know we're not going to get to back to where we were. And you know, I totally get it.
I just want to be cool in scene or on these trips or these gatherings. You're saying Tamara can say this to Shannon? Yes, like I, you have every right not to trust me, right? Right. And to be wary of having a friendship with me. And so if we can just keep it cool and cordial and have fun. But I understand if you don't want to go back into the deep friendship that we had. But I think that's the problem is that Tamara isn't saying that right?
Tamara is trying to just jump from being in a shitty place to everything's fine without doing it. Well, also too, it's like, you know, Shannon, Heather, Tamara, Tamara jumps back and forth like she'll have a scene with Eddie and saying like, you know, da, da, da, da, it's never going to be back the way it was. And then she's like, well, I want to like having Shannon having my back in New Orleans. And so I don't know, I'm just just don't be friends anymore.
Like, just be cool acquaintances and have fun. But I don't want to have the same conversation over and over again. It's like we had a reunion. We had it like it in various places throughout the season. It's just exhausting. And I guess it's great that Shannon's expressing herself and not running away. She could have like stormed out of that cellar wherever they were at the end of the episode. But she was like, you go so low and like she's making valid points.
I just don't care about them anymore. I don't it's not. And I guess, you know, you could say because I am like a huge Tamara fan, but it's not beyond it's beyond that. It's like I just, even if I was a huge Shannon fan, I'd be like, let's get on to the next. I think the problem is and is that Tamra's like it just seems too performative. Like Gina was absolutely right. Just sit there, drink your wine and quit. Quit pointing out what's going on right now.
You don't need to narrate the scene like I know you like me. It's like that. Just don't even don't even be like, I feel so good that we're in a good place because girl, you're not in a good place. You're getting there. Just let things be. I mean, I, I do understand that, like, as, as far as television goes, it'd be kind of boring if it was just like, yeah, things are kind of progressing, you know, they, we, you need to have these kind of, you know, obvious
moments. And that's what Tamara's trying to do. And. It means to be more subtle, yes, but I also think and going back to or going to a point that Tamara makes it the episode, you know, she acted horribly towards Shannon, but it didn't come out of nowhere. Right. And she was coming off of like, I feel hurt by you. And it was that was never really addressed because she didn't say it in a really good like at the beginning of last season, she didn't like really say This is why I'm her XYZ.
It's kind of got a little muddled, at least what we did see. Maybe there was more to it, whatever, but. That is what I enjoyed. I enjoyed that. You know, Tamara was at least with both Jen and Shannon just saying like with the whole photo coming up and like, like telling Jen, like I was mad at you. I was being, I was being shady, like, yeah, and just owned.
Like, I think if Tamara was more, did more of that more often, I think then people would start to believe her and start to like give her more or give her at all a benefit of the doubt, you know? It's like, you know, it didn't exist in the bubble, in a in a vacuum of just like Tamara's, like the worst thing ever to Shannon, like it was not unprovoked. Right. That's the weird way of saying it.
Sorry, but it, you know, I believe Tamara when she said that she caught on or heard that Shannon was talking shit about her in between seasons or how Shannon like dropped her like, you know, potato after Tamara was kicked off the show. So it's just, I don't think Shannon is 100% like the best friend to people. No, I think other people can attest to that. They're not Tamara even like Vicki. So just to like this whole like, oh, poor Shannon. I'm tired of evicting Shannon.
I really am like, you just got to like buck up and move on because as Tamara says, as some people say, this is about conflict and resolution resolve. Right, right. OK, right, right. And let's go on to the next thing. Because it's just, it's so tedious. So yeah, I just don't be friends. Like just be cool and keep it moving because if you try to go back and try to like rekindle this happy thing and like, oh, we have so much fun together, but you don't until you but. Don't.
That's the problem though, is Tamara's trying to make it. And she needs to stop. And you know, Shannon's just like, no, like, how is that possible? So. Just stop. Leave her. Leave each other. Leave shadow love. Leave each other on the road where you found each other. Okay, And like keep it good, keep it moving off other the other women and just keep that in the I feel like there's so many people on other shows who don't like each other and they just they don't really address
it and they just keep it moving. Right. But this is supposed to be there, you know, used to be besties, you know, they're the Tres Amigas and all. That stuff and it's not. It's not, Yeah. It just doesn't need to be, you know? Let's give up on Dos Amigas. Exactly. Backing up a little bit, like, you know, they divided the group into two different and it was basically the the blondes versus the brunettes. No, no, I guess it's Gretchen still there. But right.
Well, she's probably really brunette, right? I think she's actually no, but we've seen pictures. Pictures of her, like from her youth. She's blonde. That shade of blonde is not natural. Yeah, I did. I so I did like that. They made it seem like Temecula was, you know, to Helen gone from Newport Beach. Is, you know, I looked it up. It's an hour and 15 minutes
without traffic, right. So they made it seem like Shannon was just like looking out the window, just saying every random thing that came to mind, which she probably was. But it was cute. They did the the deep. Bots. Which I wonder if they had to pay SNL money for that. No, but no. That was cute and it was funny and like just the kind of the whole trip over. I don't. Shannon has also travelled with Cookware in the past, right?
She did it last year when they went to was it Palm Springs or like? La Quinta or whatever. Quinta yeah, to put because of that old housewives like, yeah, that Elizabeth was with Vargas. Vargas yeah, that just seems like a weird thing to do. Like, but she, like she talks about it so matter of factly that like, yeah, it's my suitcase for my cookware. But you're not going camping. And you're like, maybe she's just really particular about what she has for breakfast. I don't know.
Or maybe that's her way of like her contribution is she's going to. Make breakfast and so she's like, I want to be comfortable with like my cookware because I it makes sense because I think like trying to find stuff and then foreign place. Still I mean. Her off and she wouldn't be able to like she's easily discombobulated. That's true. I just know that I I wouldn't travel with cookware for a day in my life. No, a whole suitcase worth. I had to bring an immersion blend.
And some of this pasta. Yeah, and this platter, OK. I serve my my wares. It's just. Yeah, it's. Kind of bizarre, but I I liked the group divide. I mean, I didn't, I didn't put two and two together until I think Heather said, well, well, Tamara's out on her apology tour. And I was like, oh, that is exactly what this is going to be is the apology tour. And Gina, basically, it's like she's like, I'm fine with Gina, it's Jen. And I feel like though all they did was talk about Tamara and
right every scene. Well, no. So the the minute that Emily and Gretchen got to Heather's, they're like, yeah, we were talking about Tamara on the way. We're. Like, no, no, no, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about like, just like that single Gina and Shannon and Jen where it's like, are you gonna go Shannon Dah, dah, dah. Well, Tamara and like in our relationship. And I'm like, I don't want to talk about this anymore.
Yeah, Like, I'm so tired. And it's like, it's all you have to talk about because you're not talking about Katie anymore because you iced her off the show. That they're they're, that's just, I think one of the problems of this show is that they're, they're going to focus on whoever the most controversial is every, every time. And they don't know how to share the wealth or spread around. I guess so. I it's just I didn't love, I liked parts of the episode.
I didn't love the episode as a whole. I mean, I, I thought it was a nice palate cleanser. I I like, I was about to say before you derailed me. I like that when they got to Heather's that they were like, she was like, yeah, we're talking about Heather or Tamara the whole way over. Like, well, he had no shit. You were talking shit. Like what else were you going to be? And that's the thing. Is it like Tamara lives rent free and all their?
Heads. And I'm a little disappointed that Emily is kind of turning on Tamara, it seems. It's not. It's just like it's. She doesn't have her back anymore. Yeah, it's it's after last season she so had Tamara's back. And I don't know what happened or whether you know, but this season she seems to be kind of secretly kind of positioning things to go against Tamara, which, whatever. I mean, I'm well. And also this position against Katie and that's see how that's working out for her.
This is playing out. I thought I'd be more irritated that Katie wasn't there like I did think about. Like I was like, who's missing? Because it's four and three and right, Katie. I did think about had Katie been still involved, like I think that she could have had a fun time in Temecula and just kind of doing. Because it could have been. Let's also repaired Katie and Shannon so Gina could have gone to LA. Right. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, so but of course Shannon might have freaked out.
And also I I guess with having the beef with Tamara and Katie would be too much for Shannon. I think 1 beef at a time, but. She can't only take so much. Yeah, I thought it was interesting that Gina the the the Hawaiian tasting like I thought Gina actually had like a drinking problem. Isn't that the reason why she stopped drinking? Correct. So, I mean, I, I don't, I don't know very many people that are, you know, 12 steps sober, all
that stuff. I know a handful, but I just know the whole idea of like, even just tasting the alcohol, would you have to be like, oh, I want to do this again. But maybe. I mean, hats off to her. That's her program or or yeah, it's. I don't know if she's in the program. Yeah, yeah, she's stopped drinking. It's her situation. And so like, maybe it could also be the thing that wine was never her thing. She's like, yeah, wine never did it for me.
It was always, you know, vodka or, you know, whatever else. But I was like, hats off to Gina. Like at the same time, like as we're preparing to go wine tasting for my birthday, I was thinking I was just like, Oh, yeah, I guess you, you can just, you know, spit it out. But I'm like, why would you do that? You're spending, I guess they're not spending money for it. Like you're spending money like you want to get, get, get the buzz on and also wine. I'm still not of that.
My palate is not refined enough where I'm like, oh, these sour grapes are delicious, right? I'm like, these sour grapes are good because then I get a little drunk and it's fun, you know, and there's, you know, a flavor that goes along with that process. But never am I like, this is the most amazing beverage. I could just drink this all day, you know? Yeah, also I'm just glad to know we got trashed by nobody, I mean Tamara, well after Vegas trip.
'S not over. After side of Vegas, after New Orleans, it's like, please, please don't, yeah, please don't take a zanny, please. Oh, she knew better. But I, you know, I did like that Tamara at least mended some fences at. Least I don't think they're totally mended because Jen. Jen was trying real hard to not accept the apology and but she at least said, you know, Tamara at least got sick. What more do you want from me? Like I'm apologizing. I'm.
She does not want to be friends with Tamara. She has it out for Tamara. That's why she gained, that's why she got together with Gretchen, sent the SOS like they do not want Tamara. I completely believe Katie, that they talk shit about Tamara at that dinner. They have an axe grind with Tamara. They are coming in hot. We'll see you next week. It's so obvious and I'm just tired of this like, oh poor Jen. I'm just tired of Jen. Like I've just really, really.
But here's OK, let me go back a bit Beats. Yeah, please explain yourself, Sir. Yes, what Tamara did. Whatever else your motors with the photo, she shouldn't have done it. Shouldn't have shown it. Like she never called a fatty photo. Neither did Shannon. Neither did Heather. Gina. Yeah, bad game of telephone. They didn't, they didn't even say, they didn't even call it the heavy photo. They just said she was heavier. Heavier. Yeah. They weren't even saying that
Jen was less than ideal. I'm just saying she's different than she is now, right? There was definitely an insinuation with it that like she was sloppier looking. Or just just more important, very different from like the put together Orange County version of Jenna we currently see, right? Yes, regardless. On a stick. That was just horrible regardless. And never bring up Ryan Tamra. Like just do you see how that went last year? Oh God, you remind me of Ryan's cyber truck.
Oh God, they were watching a cyber truck. I am already surprised. I'm not surprised, but I just, I hate when cliches are proven true and I'm just like, I'm like, oh, of course Ryan owns a cyber truck. Oh, God, I, you know. Oh. Yes, sorry I can believe it but Tamara should have said these things. But I completely and I understand why Jen wouldn't want to or be would be wary just like a Shannon. But again, she got over conflict and resolved, but she's not willing.
There's underneath that. She's like, well, and she keeps pushing the issue and pushing the issue and Tamara's like, I don't know what else I can give you to make this better. And that's when you get like, what do you want? Blood, Right. So again, I'm not trying to be hyper defensive of Tamara. I'm just saying like, what more needs to happen, Jen, for you to move on with this?
Yeah, because the woman just really apologized to you is a performative perhaps, but like it's better than if she didn't, then you'd be like, well, she's not taking accountability then. She's definitely looking for any reason to to hate Tamara to continue. To hate Tamara so just say you freaking hate her and move on like this. What this? Like she, Chin always positions herself to be the victim. And it's so tiring because we know you're not I. Didn't realize you had such
strong opinions. It just really can't because like, it's just so much of her, of her everything is just very fake. And I just I don't I don't buy her. I don't believe it. I don't feel bad for her. I think what's been done to her, Tamara is shitty and shouldn't have been done, but I don't completely believe she's this victim, this all these things just happened to her. Right, Right, right. You know, And I don't believe her amnesia when it comes to Katie. When it comes to Katie.
Yeah, yeah, that whole situation. And I think anyone who's like anybody out with Gretchen, I'm like side eye. So overall, Jen, I'm just like, I am side eyeing you like you are not what you're trying to present yourself as. I'm not buying. It and I think that's pretty it becomes clear when she's you can tell when she's taking in what Tamara's saying and be like, OK, that makes sense. But you can also see the gears turning of like how can I invalidate what she's saying?
How can I make it so that yes, this is true and I hear you and I appreciate what you're saying, but it's irrelevant because you still did and I'm still mad about it.
Right. I mean, keep my stand, right, You know, and in her professional, like it totally made sense what she was saying about the whole how she wasn't her best self in that photo and, you know, and not doing great in her marriage and like, you know, being stressed out with having the kids and like, you know, touring their food as a comfort that I'm not like, yeah, discounting at all. I'm just saying how current reaction and how she chooses to move forward or not. I'm like, no, no.
I I for what? I'm glad that the photo came out, but they looked at the photo that everyone agreed that like no one looked good enough for that actor it. Was like everyone. Was like we all, I mean we all look pretty bad, but on top of that, like yes, Tamara was definitely being shady. She admits to it. She brought it, wanted to put something and just say like, look, she is a completely different person now than she
was before. But I don't think that Tamara would deny that for all the reasons Jen said. She's different. And that's kind of what she, you know, was saying from the beginning, a little bit more dramatically that like she tried to, she changed herself so much and she like, you know, everything she did. And now she's like, looking more like me, the Orange County I was. Surprised she didn't say that.
I feel like you were, you know, trying to like, be my doppelganger or just like presenting yourself in a way that's very similar to how I present myself. Right. Well, she probably, they knew better than to bring the single white female thing. And so but yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm glad that the photo came out because I think Jen can now also can't she can't load the weapons to be like Tamara showed this disgusting photo of me she got.
She can see it and be like, OK, yeah, it's not the best picture and she definitely had some shadiness behind it, but it's not like she showed this picture of like, Jen £300, you know? Right. And even if she did, like that's not a horrible thing. Like it's just yeah for being 300 lbs. No, no. Not like I'm saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you meant, but that that. So I'm glad that's happened because now they can move on. It's not gonna be this big question.
Mark not gonna be this. Well, it's not gonna happen. Probably not, no. But. But yeah, I did like, I think we're just going to stick to the Gina and every side of it for now. I mean, should we bounce over to the others? No, we'll get there. I hated the back and forth. I just needed like just one clear boom, boom, boom, and then like then go to Lai didn't need like what are they doing? What are they doing? Wonder what they're doing in LA?
Well. No, they're they're meeting up with a not at all staged paparazzo in the middle of Rodeo Dr. Look, I'm Heather. You you called the paparazzi, which they love for that, too. Like, I I don't care, OK? It's dumb. Just say you did it. Whatever. This random, like, helpful paparazzo. You know what? Heather wouldn't do that. It was just a candid shot. It just happened. Yeah, I don't care. Papa Lesbo. No, I'm sorry, no. Trying to make a play on weird. Being gay, you can't say that.
I can, why can't I? Oh, come on. We're going to lunch with some lesbians. It's great. Large.
Anyway. That's a barn you've said LAR I. I'm very God. I think I keep mixing words like Lord and God. So but that back down in Lai did enjoy that and it was great editing of it all of like, you know, Gina trying to preemptively get ahead of Tamara saying something about the alcohol because she's like, well, I did have a conversation with Tamara and it was like, well, you're not going to say anything like she did without saying you're not going to say anything.
She's like, well, everything's fine. You're not you're not going to bring it up. And then of course, Tamara at the first drop of a hat. And I just loved the camera was right on Gina when it happened because Gina's like like of. Course that was hilarious. Well, Gina's concerned too. Yes, I'm concerned. But I mean, I also like that Gina didn't try to deny it.
And that's been the problem with all the other women is that when they deny that they had the conversation, like Gina was like, well, yeah, I did say it. I've been concerned. But she definitely, I don't think that. Gina, she'll soften it next week. Well, she softened it, I think, this week. And I don't think that it was ever that harsh to begin with. It's not like she was going to Tamara. You know, I'm really concerned about Shannon's alcoholism.
But it was right because it came to Tamara. And correct me if I'm wrong, it came to Tamara as like, you know, it seems like you're it's really, you know, you're sending mixed signals, like you're going harder to her about alcoholism, but then you're like, hey, buddy, let's go get a drink. Right. Yeah, You know, and it's like. You know, I, it must not, you know, I'm worried. You know, I'm kind of concerned. What's that doing to her?
And if she's, you know, having struggles with alcohol, then that's not making it any better. Right. I think overall Tamara's like trying too hard, like oh, here's the primary and like dah dah dah, what can I do for you? And you know, let me help unpack your cookware. It's like, just let it naturally happen because you're making it awkward, but, you know, awkward than it needs to be.
But had she stuck Shannon in a room that wasn't the nicest, then they would be sitting there just crying the opposite. As to who she should get the primary, just say I'm going to get the primary and they're what else? They're all nice rooms. It's a very nice house in Temecula. They're not in some shock.
I really, really, really wish whenever they went away on these, like when they, you know, these weekend trips, they would just show us what the Airbnb listing is, the vertical listing or what website I have to go to to see how much all this costs. And if I want to bring my friends there also, couldn't they make a little bit of money off that? Do like a little cross promotion and I think that'd be great.
How far is Temecula from us? Well, it's an hour and a half from Newport Beach, so it's quite a quite a different kind of ways. Temecula's like way Inland Empire, sort of. I think it's South of Orange County but north of San Diego, but inland. I'm not entirely sure though. I've only been there once or twice. Look at movie theaters. Gotcha. But anyway, beautiful house. Yeah, I would say back to LA, but you wanted. To still be more. I wasn't.
Well, I was gonna bring up Shannon's, you know, Avocado Mountain. No. I did like the question, though, And I've wondered it too, because we live in wine country. Maybe when we go wine tasting, I'll ask how. Like, you know, what does? How many? Like what makes a bottle of wine like how many grapes? Driving past a vineyard like. How many bushes does that represent? Like is it just one Bush for a bottle or is it like 1 Bush makes like 10 bottles? It's curious.
I'm kind of a Shannon and Turn Deep thoughts. I like them. So yeah, that was the best part of that. Of the drive, yeah, for. Sure, yeah, the LA bunch, Heather trying too hard. It's just. So I said this to you and I'll say it again, those 3, not just not those three in particular, but like, it's just so, so trying hard. Like we're in Beverly Hills and I feel like the Beverly Hills woman would be like, well, the last so.
Touristy. Right, the last thing they do is. Like let's go down to redo drive and let's go to crustacean like it's. So like what? What? Yeah, yeah. You're like I really AM. Looking forward to the. Recap from like Teddy and and Erica. Like OK girl, I won't be caught dead in Crustacea, but. I meant that food looked great. I would have eaten one of those tuna cigars. And I don't even, I don't know that I've ever really had good caviar. I've had like the teeny tiny
like that's kind of caviar. But I'd eat that. You would not, No, not at all. But then I was like hearing about it's. Laugh Heather's LA. Life and like I'm doing ramblings. I'm doing that like I'm like I'm finding me in LA. Everyone's reaction. About like her, like really? She's doing comedy. She's like doing improv. What, like have you not seen her on Married? Children. She does comedy, Yeah. I mean, she. Does, but also she's done a lot of stuff. I mean.
Improv seems like something you do when you're in your 20s. Improv is. Ageless, OK, says the person. Who would never go to another improv show in his life? If that's going into it, not. Actually being in it, and Heather can at 50, whatever she is, can be in it. I mean, I'm not saying she can't. Actually, I think Heather. Is funny and I think, you know, in her, she's always going for the joke in a professional. And she I think a lot of her like heirs like, oh, Heather
Debro is kind of put upon. Yeah, she's she's very dry. On the joke, she's dry. Funny. I I think she is a she takes her so seriously, but she's also. In on the joke. Yeah. And I and I like that. Yeah. So the. The fact that they're also like, Oh, my God, it's like, you know, she's been a working actress for, like, yeah, since the 1900s, as Taylor Armstrong said,
right? Again, I still think it, I don't know, like I I just couldn't imagine at age 50, whatever deciding to go to improv, like I don't have the patience to but she. Like lived, she's lived her life she's like yeah yeah yeah to finish her life taking care of like 4 kids yeah and you know, we forgot about her having. Her meeting with Dylan Mulvaney, that was. That was cool. That was cool. I do like. That question. What's that? I questioned her friendship with some people. Oh dude.
Oh, we. Share certain views, yeah. Yeah, about. You know. Her children who are different. So two things I thought. Was two things that struck me funny is that she's like, you know, thanks for being on my podcast. And it's like, well, OK, like Dyl Mulvaney has way more followers than you ever will. Like, I I just feel like who's doing who the favor, you know what I mean? Well, I think it's Dylan. She's like, you know, thank. You, you're my cat. Thank you for being on my
podcast. But then the other thing that bothers. Me is that I don't know like why are you coming for tether so are. No, it bothers me that like. You're too old for improv. No, you have no followers. Whatever, I didn't tell I. Just said. I just told Jen to fuck off, OK? I didn't say to fuck off, I said. Fuck you. No, I think I don't know if it doesn't bother, you know, I can't. I don't want to be outraged on Dylan's behalf. It didn't bother Dylan then. It doesn't bother me.
But like, the fact that Heather was like, oh, my God, I would have, wouldn't have. I would have thought that you were actually like a CIS woman. It's like that's kind of a she said that, Yeah. Dylan retold. That story, like she's like when we first met, she said like she came up me and she's like, Oh my God, like if I didn't know, like I would think that you're a CIS woman. And then Dylan said she didn't say CIS necessarily, but that was the sentiment that Heather walked up to this.
I listened on my phone. I. Totally missed that. Yeah, I was. I was just. Like I was like, well, that's a little day Class A, but if it again, it doesn't bother. Dylan doesn't bother. Years back and you know. Before their own children and people didn't know. Necessarily how to, you know, express that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. Watched I saw a tik.
T.O.K of it was a TikTok of women kind of being interviewed as a collage of different women being interviewed, you know, and being asked very sexist or pointed things that would never be asked of a man, right. And they they interspersed a lot of those questions of Laverne Cox being asked and, you know, Wendy Williams asking about top surgeries and things like that. Different for that Katie Kirk, right?
Exactly. And so again, just seeing that and how far we've come from the idea that someone would ask, you know, what's going on with your junk basically. And you know, it's it's come a long way. It's it's it's great to hear. But so yeah, you're right. I shouldn't fault Heather with that, but it was interesting that that came up. I thought it was interesting. Yeah. I think the.
It's moving beyond that and the whole like slumber party thing and it's like doing so much for like half cast party. Not even half cast, not even 33 sevenths. I mean, basically you're what? Is it going to be like you're just a friend of Yeah, it's. Also not sitting right with me that Emily is so like pro Gretchen because she hates Katie. It's so dumb. And any of my enemy is my. Friend. And it's so every time, every time.
So then again, it's like my the next tedious topic of you're afraid of Tamra. And I love know Heather said in a confessional. You're the ones who are afraid of Tamra because you folded like a House of Cards. You know, when like after all that stuff where you're like, what the hell was wrong with her? And then when you see her to her see her in person, you're like, oh, it's OK. Oh, come and hug me. Oh, welcome to my Easter, whatever that was. Greek Easter. Greek Easter.
No Persian Persian New year Persian New Year Greek Easter is a. Different show which we might be getting in a few weeks next week. Yes. So yeah, like I don't, I've said it so many times, I don't think Heather is afraid of Tamara. I can't even do. I can't even, you know, I love to play the devil's advocate and I can rationalize a lot of
things for a lot of people. I can't put I can't get on that hamster wheel and figure out what maze you go through with that Anyone would think Heather is afraid of Tamra. Like in what way has she displayed fear of Tamra? I mean, if they're talking in that sense that like now I can't even remember. There was some media we watched recently. But anyway, of like, I don't even want to I it's too tiring to argue with her, so I just don't even bother. Like I just go ahead and like,
OK, fine. Like if you're gonna go ahead and say that, that is fear. OK, loose. Well, it's what Emily was saying. Like you. Just pacify her rather than then try to. That show was that we were watching. Was it the documentary last? Night No, it wasn't anything recent it. Was either another Housewives or it was some other movie or show where they were just saying that, like, having to put up
with someone. Like, I'd rather just go ahead and agree with you than argue with you because it just takes so much energy to argue with you, right? It had to be another Housewives. It'll come to me later. But yeah, I mean, that's the only thing that I could think of. Like, OK, fine. I just don't wanna put up with her, so I'm gonna go ahead.
OK. Tamara. Sure. But I don't see how you conflate just that with fear or being intimidated by like she came out and said it to. Tamara's face like that was shitty. That you like, disappeared and didn't, you know, reply back to me. I was worried about you, right? And, you know, whatever, whatever. I wonder if they're all expecting. Heather to do the heavy lifting when it comes to Tamara and like, be the one who stands up to her, not in their confessionals.
Well, God knows Gina. And Emily, and they're not going to do it. Yeah, right. So it comes down, I mean, and Jen and Shannon obviously were doing it. And Gretchen will gladly, Yeah, like step over anyone's body, Katie, to do it. So I mean, I guess you. Know so who Gina kind of did it in New Orleans when she confronted like you're sloppy. Or drunk. Go home. Yeah, but you know. I think that they're they're counting on Heather to be. That has to be it.
That's my conclusion now because it's like she's the next. Strongest personality, right? So the next if you can. Say it are not untouchable like they they got Heather back on the show to help save it right? Was fired, yes. So they're like, OK. Well, clearly Heather has some pull here and she can do whatever, but are they
forgetting that the first? Season Tamara was back, she and Heather were at odds and yes, they made-up after the reunion, which is what you're supposed to do and now they're they've been in a good place ever since. But she's not afraid to call her out on her bullshit. So this whole idea of like, oh, she's so afraid or like I don't I don't get where Gina and Emily are coming from with that. And it's just or even Gretchen.
It's like, yeah, just shut up. Then you just say things to Tamara. If you have any feelings about camera Emily, Gina, whatever, then you need to say it like, and I guess they they have, but like you need to say it more and get it off your chest and then move the F on. Yeah, because clearly if. It's not enough for you to keep bringing it up to Tamara. That must not actually bother
you. Or, you know, maybe it bothers you, but it's like clearly not a big deal to you because if it was, you'd keep you would say it to her fate. You would bring it up and you wouldn't let it go the way clearly whatever is bothering Shannon about Tamara is bothering Shannon because she's not letting it go even though she should, you know, for the sake of the show. But or just yeah. Yeah, that's why. Like, yeah, so much. I was like. This is all episode so other so at.
The dinner at the dinner in. LA like. Was it all just more Tamra talk? Did they get? Yeah. Did they? I guess there was some talk about Emily's situation or that. No, that didn't. That was when they were at the. Store. Not earlier. That was when they were. She and Jen were cleaning. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Oh, volunteering. That's right. I forgot about. That that was nice. That was. Nice kitties. Yeah, that was cute. But now everything else, it just kept coming back to Tamara. Yeah.
And it's gonna do so again next year or next year, next week. I'm tired and I just like we are. Very tired. It's been a lot. Yeah, it's been a lot. Nothing's happened in the world this week, No. But now it's gonna come up next week when we pivot to the next lie. And yeah. I don't need to see. Frickin Slade on my TV. Two things I'm it was a. To be continued episode but with scenes from next week, which I'm like, I love that. But yeah, I just the cliche
isn't even the right word. Having it go to this whole like, oh, then back then when you did it, a Tamara was, you know, cheating on did it. I don't I don't need that again. I don't care and it happened off. Camera. I don't need off camera. I don't need in the past, like I need stuff that happened now.
I mean, I guess infidelity and everything that comes up on many different franchises and stuff and something that happened in the past, but it's like I don't everyone when people try to come for someone else's marriage, it's just so weak and it's like there's nothing to do with you. Right. And that that's. I think the common theme that keeps bothering us with a lot of these is like, OK, that happened, but what does it have to do with you?
Even that, what does it have to do with your friendship with her? Right? I thought the point. When they were at dinner and Tamara brought up, you know, they are in Cabo, Eddie, Tamara, Jen and Ryan and they didn't realize that. Oh, like Ryan is pursuing Jen and she's still married and we just were hanging out with her and her husband and rightfully so. Eddie was like, well, this feels weird to me. This feels gross, you know?
And then for Shannon, it's like Eric professional be like, well, why are you talking? Tamara? You cheated on Simon with Eddie. And it's like, I don't believe that's exactly how it happened. I'm not sure why. And two, even if so, it's not that she can't not have a feeling about it, you know, and that I know I just said that like it doesn't affect you, but it does affect you when you're friends with both parties, right? And that's the thing. That's the. Thing Eddie. Eddie.
I think what Tamara was trying to say is that Eddie says it feels gross because here we are hanging out with the side piece and then we're going to go back to Orange County and hang out with her husband, and that's as if we weren't hanging. Out with the side piece and so that's where it can. Be a problem now you've involved. Me right? And so, yeah, it's, I mean, that's different from like, oh, I. Heard that she screwed so and so doesn't involve you, right?
You're just making it a story because of nothing else. And it's also I. Mean it's also you're being righteous and judgmental about someone else's situation like so if that happened, great. What's that to do with you? Oh well, you're making it about you because you want to feel superior. And you know why this is happening. Because Tamra accused Gretchen of cheating on her fiance Jeff, the one who died. So this is where this is coming from. And again, that was how many decades ago?
More than one. Yeah, so. You're really like, they are just so angry and hateful towards towards Tamra and there's using it on the current show even though it happened so many years ago. It's just so dumb. Yeah. I mean, I think hopefully, I'm sure it's going to be some good drama and it's going to be like interesting to watch, but I hope
it's short lived. I hope that it gets, you know, Tamara, not that the Tamara will diffuse it, but at least it'll go the way we're like like we're saying like, OK, it's this is irrelevant, Like this is not doesn't change anyone's life that this happened. And also, who's to say that it if that's true, what they're saying happened? Who's to say she hasn't already talked to Eddie about it and Eddie already knows the true like I mean Lee stay what about other people's marriages? I mean it's.
Yeah, I don't think it happened, but again, it's none of your business. But also to you. You keep poking this bear man and then getting mad the bear. Gets angry at you, your face off. Exactly. It's like oh how dare you RIP my. Face off. So yeah, you're definitely right with that. I'm trying to think of it in parallel, though, like to New Jersey with Jen Aden and that whole story where Marge oh. But was she a major relevant? Yeah, I'm kind of.
But I I think that the difference there, though, is that that was just straight up retribution. Like, that was just like, like, you're over here acting holier than thou. Tamara's not acting holier than thou. Tamara's never saying that. And Tamara's not sitting there saying, like, you and your husband or your life partner says the subtitles are out there being XY or Z. She's not even making. She's just saying that your husband's a dirtbag. Yeah. Tamara got baptized.
She's on TV and she still acts like an asshole. OK. So yeah. She's not. Maybe. What acts of bothers Gretchen is. That, you know, it's all performative religion. Pot me cattle. So all right. I know. Should we pray about it? Can we? Can we? No. I don't know how to pray, No. I mean, I'll have to pray as a Mormon. Yeah, I guess I can do my hands. I can, yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's just The thing is that the difference is, you know, yeah, Tamara's not there trying to judge their
relationship. She's judging the character of her husband. That's what she's judging. And so for Gretchen to try and make it her business, it's not the same. Yeah, it's. Does it not? No. Doesn't work. Nope. Nope, doesn't work. Doesn't work. Doesn't work. Also not her husband because. You won't marry him because you don't want to incur that child, that child support that I. I want to know allegedly, I know I want to know the back to the cyber truck.
What does Ryan do? How did they make their money? That's I don't understand what does that. Mean though. I so I don't know, like I know you, I know you can go ahead and lease things and they make them
a little bit cheaper. But like the things that people, because we've been looking to buy a a new car and it's like I've been like, well, this is fine if we wanted to spend a ridiculous amount of money every month on a car, and maybe some people do, but I'm just like what, like a cyber trucks expensive and they're and ugly, very ugly. Very, very ugly. And then I just. Really felt like that, you know, it was child abuse or man, that kid washed that ugly car. I'm just like, oh, that's not
that's not right. It's a horrible shore. You should. Not let, let. Any any child near a cyber truck. I mean, that's just. Normalizing sun might beam down. On it and blind, Yeah. And it's just, it's not good. Yeah. So yeah. I'd rather. I'd rather have them get read to by a drag queen than wash a cyber truck. Oh my God. They would never. I don't know. I feel like Jen would probably be like drag Queens fine. Hell no. She. Wouldn't. I think she would? I think she'd.
Be one of those. Talk out of one side of her mouth and then out the other, for one thing. So anyway, I think we've talked enough. Yeah, until we. Cover, everybody. Well, I mean, Oh. Katie. I remember Katie. Never forget. Yeah. Never gonna forget Katie. Never gonna forget Katie. Well, she's getting back later on the season. Like she'll have other scene. Other scene. So. I. Think overall, like, I think this is a good episode. I mean, we've a lot to talk
about. I I definitely think that the Temecula group was the best part of it. Yeah, it was cute what they were doing in LA and stuff. But again, I don't, I don't, I don't like Gretchen. I don't want, I think you know, production. You know, they're like, we need to make something happen. We can't do the Katy thing. Let's separate them. See if they talk about one another, something comes up and then you know, they just talked about.
Tamara yeah, the entire time. But I think you'll you know with the. LA Group Bill, as we've said it will pivot towards Tamara again. So you guys like Tamara's the umbrella and you're all underneath it. So yeah, I mean, how? It's raining, but how do? They how? Do they get out from underneath that though by just not talking about like by getting over it and just excusing her behavior things and. Having other stories, getting pissed off at someone.
Else other than Katie. Yeah, that was really. The only reason? That it wasn't about Tamara so far entirely wanted over that. Yeah. So I guess maybe. Gina and Emily need to like stab each other. I don't know. So. It's like really easy to focus on, like, what's the one thing you don't like about her? Go yeah, if there was like a rift. Between the two of them, that might make that would change things. Or it might still be like.
Right. It's just as lukewarm as they are and they're like the Robin and Giselle. Yeah, but much? More likeable the two of them. It's. About human No, because I. I I get irritated when Giselle and Robin would be on screen together. These two, well, I see more. Like yeah, more. Partners in crime, right? Yeah, and I do like I like Gisele Moore once Rob left. Yeah. Yeah, so. Oh. We got see Emily's new look. Oh, the confessional is so. Good. Yeah, like she her makeup's still a little.
Wrong. It's very dark. It's. Very, I don't know if that's tanning or just like dark makeup, but I like the dark hair. I like the the length of the outfit. It just works really well. And that should be her main confessional look. Yes, yes, yes. And then we got to. Sort of see more of Shannon's brown dress. Great for the neck up. Amazing. The dress is like a little, like, I feel like I've seen that before, Yeah. And it's just a little. Too. Too shiny?
Yeah. And then I. Thought I swear to God it one part towards the beginning when she was with her daughter. They cut to her in that that outfit and like her hair is swept over the side of her face in such a way that like it moved at one point and I thought I saw just like really sharp line of makeup like you might have behind where. Her hair was. You might have. So I was just like, well, that doesn't seem right, but I was the whole rest of the episode.
I was like, move your head again, Move your head again and never have it. Yeah. So anyway, the illusion was ruined. We should keep like a tally. Of like we should we should make it a point to remember the confessional looks Oh yeah, I. Mean, yes, I mean you do a. Good job with it, but like, sometimes we forget. I mean, I guess it's just the trauma from Gretchens, you know, Beau thing. What the fuck is that? Yeah. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that?
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