Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. I'm Scott and I'm Jeff, and we just watched an episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County. We sure did. Yes. And that was a bit of a let down, I'd say. It wasn't all I'd say. Wouldn't say it's a let down, it just was. It wasn't all that we were promised. It was rough. I didn't think it it, it went in a very obvious direction and I thought there would be something more to it and we'll get to the
lie detector test of it all. But. So the obvious direction was Persian New Year. I didn't see that I. Didn't see. Yeah. I just thought it was like, oh, I'm like everyone over for like, you know, just like. A part for a lie detector party. Yes, I didn't know it was also going to be a surprise, but I guess that's, you know, you want people so they're not going to be prepared. But anyways they. Don't take a bunch of Xanax just to calm themselves down and. I was like, damn it.
I I did like that they're like there's no alcohol here. What's going on? Yeah, they're. Like, oh, we get. It but neither here nor there yes, I'm a little out of sorts today this week. Are you out of well, it's so dumb. So I haven't shaved in a little while. Like I think I shaved last week. And part of it is my 30th high school reunion is on Saturday, right? And so like I want to be clean shaven for it and like I want to get like I want to look the most me I can look.
The only want to shave once this week, is that why? Well, so I only usually shave once and oh, there's a spider on the ceiling over there. Oh, there is. Let's pretend it's not there and we're talking, OK, Then we'll kill it. I mean, we'll escort it out of the house. Later, out of the house, it's time for you to leave. No, shaving's always been a really weird thing for me 'cause like, I don't, I don't like having like shadow or growth or whatever. What's it called? Scruff.
Scruff. I don't like it. I don't like it at all. But like, if I shave midweek, then like I have to wait for it to get longer enough so I can shave it again or else it's just like rubbing my face off, right. And also the timing with work this week, like one of these days on Tuesday we left for work. I was, we were really running late, so I really didn't have time to shave. And so I was like, ah, and I all. And Wednesday I was like, Oh,
should I? And then today I was like, well, now if I shave, I won't have enough, you know, growth to shave again on Saturday. So now I'm just going to power through and. I didn't know this at all, like this is not something you shared with me well. I you know, I The timing of shaving isn't necessarily anything you really need to share with one's husband. No, but you know me, I shaved once a month.
That's when I shaved my head. Yeah, I shaved my face and I just like, grew this like, scruffy beard. So I'm like, this is too much. And you know, this is too much too. And you just. This, this I can't I this is driving me nuts. Like even when I had like, you know, a beard, I still kept like the neck trimmed and everything is the last thing I want to be is neckbeard don't want that at all.
And it just, it just it's driving me insane and I have to get through tomorrow and then and then OK also, so my friends help. As you know, we our catio, we had a catio when we bought this house. Our house came with a catio and it was basically a you're looking at me like I'm crazy. No, I understand. I know you to be truthful. You're not lying about this. Thank you so much. The previous owners of this house had cats, and they built a catio themselves.
The little DIY project, the one good project they did DIY. Yeah. Get to that another day. And they had their, they had their lure boxes out there. And we used it not for that purpose, but for just our cats to hang out there. And then it got dry rod and also termites. Termites. And so we tore it down a little bit before Maeve passed away. And we got this temporary new one, which is kind of like now the new one or the existing one. Yeah. And you know, well, all cabs likes it.
So she's, you know, but. Long story short, all the wood has been sitting in the backyard, which you know if you're getting junky. If you're getting rid of something because there's termites in it, then maybe don't leave it in your backyard for another. I didn't. Think about that. For however many months. So I mean, I'm sure they're not near the house, they're further from the house. So I'm fine with. Anyway, my friends agreed to help. He's got a truck.
You know, everyone has a friend with a truck. He's much more than just a friend with a truck, but he also happens to be a good friend with a truck. So he's going to come by on the morning of the reunion and we're going to go to the dump and get rid of all all this paint and stuff and needles from when we had to give made medication. I'm getting rid of all of it. I'm getting going to the dump. Is it you're right anxious about this?
I'm anxious about that. I'm just because, well, one a friend who, you know, I don't like the perception that like we're you know, but I'm using my friend for his truck, which is not true, which is not true, and he offers all the time. It's just that, you know, I've had to be a little bit more straightforward of like, hey, I really should use you and your truck can when you go to the the dump and you know, so it's fine.
It's all good, but we're. Let's say, yeah, The thing is like you're not just calling him up once a year for, like things that you're trying to use them for. We hang out quite a bit. We were at their house couple weeks ago, you know. Well, like a month ago, yeah. About they all blend together. And we're going to see them on Saturdays, so I mean, it's all good. Friend, yes, yeah. So it's all going to be good. And then on top of it, I don't know what to wear.
And then like a lot of like there's, so there's a Facebook group of the reunion and like there's a lot of activity in there from a lot of people I don't recognize. And I recognize a lot of people and these people. I'm just like, who's that? Part of it is, of course, you know, married names. So I don't recognize a lot of the girls I went to school with because they're they're using their married names now. So I'm like, who's that? And then I have to like reach the back of my brain.
But it's also pointing out to me that though I know or that I knew a lot of people in high school, I was not super popular, but I knew who they were and they knew who I was. And I've kept in touch with a lot of people just by living back in my hometown and everything. I don't know, a lot of people are gonna be at this reunion. And so I'm really not dreading, but I'm really a little more anxious about the the whole awkward Who are you?
Well, I think so much of this reunion and probably like large social gatherings like this, people are going to get into smaller groups. And so we'll know our friends who still live here in town and we'll hang out with them. And it's like, you have to like, there's no icebreaker game. Like you have to go talk to somebody you haven't spoken to in 30 years. That's like, true, true.
The thing about reunions, it's just you're not all going to get together in Kumbaya. It's just, you know, it's not. That's because that's not what high school was. No, for sure. And then the other thing I'm realizing and I'll, you know. Not that I would know because I've never been to any reunion. Well, so that's The thing is I think there's a lot of people who are going to be coming to this because they didn't go to either of the other two.
The 10 or the 20? So that means that like there's me, people who just haven't, I haven't seen literally in 30 years. So it's not like it's going to be a bunch of people that I saw ten years ago and 10 years before that. It's me, people I have not seen in 30 years. That's. Crazy 13. Years and it's also you start thinking about that I was I was 1730 years ago like that's just so. Weird. It's so weird. It's so weird.
Like that time, you know, we're two years apart and it's just so bizarre to think it's been that long. But. Yeah, the world is letting me be an adult for all this time and no one stopped me. I'm just like. And also, it's so weird, like we're adults and we like, want a house and, you know, we're making plans for the future and right, It's just bizarre.
At some point I just keep expecting someone's gonna walk in and be like, Nope, sorry, you, you weren't allowed to graduate, you need to go back to. You weren't allowed to graduate. You're not supposed. To have all this. That diploma back that you have over there. Oh, it's so it's, oh, yeah. It's just such a weird thing. So yeah, I'm a little anxious
about that. The shaving, getting the backyard, you know, taken care of and, and just kind of, you know, it'll be nice once it's all taken care of. I'll feel better on Saturday after the dump run. So also I don't know how the dump works. Yeah, I don't even. Like and so he'll know like he's gone to the dump a lot. Not like he hangs out at the dump, but he. Jumps like a truck truck.
Well, he has a truck, I mean, so he drives it to the dump and he doesn't have termites laying in his backyard. Or maybe he doesn't I. Forgot about the whole termites of it all. Yeah. So, you know, I haven't jumped, but yeah, I'm excited just to, it's funny because like I don't normally like social situations, but I'm like, this is so interesting, this high school reunion. That's not my high school. And like, so I don't have to worry about it.
I just have to like be there like, oh, hey, I'm Jeff, I'm the husband. But to like meet these people who I've heard about and like, oh, you're the 1:00 and you're that story. And you know what I think?
I think you're fortunate in that you have enough of our friends, partners and wives that will be there and you can just hang out with them and kind of have like the wives club over there and be. Like, well, same with that is that so many of are not so many, but there is a good amount of friends who still live here in town or I've met them in other situations. And so it's not like I'm going in totally blind, like not knowing anybody. That would make me feel very awkward and like.
But the fact that I know so many people, not so like a good number of people who become my friends through you, you know, I. Do want you to fuck with people though. I do want someone to just be like, like, oh, do I know you like? Oh yeah, we totally. We had. To. Come on. Unlike certain people know see, I'm a bad liar. I really am. I just can't. I can't do it. So.
I think you could. Just you see, now actually knowing that because before I was saying like I would probably be very anxious in a lie detector test and I would pale, fail pale. But now I'm like, I wouldn't take one to see like because I cannot lie so. I mean, lie detectors are I mean, they're obviously not reliable. They're not admissible in court, right? Like any you know, it just they just detect your change in behavior.
And if you, you could do the same thing by looking at somebody and just seeing like, you know, with their eyes remain, you know, or if they're just answering questions in a natural manner. So it's just really, really bizarre. But anyway. Anyways, before I ever see we get to that, the Potomac trailer came out today that. Makes me nervous too. Now I'm. Shizzy makes me nervous. What were your thoughts on the trailer overall? The specifics. Well, I think I might have to
start with with specifics. I don't need any more Drag King Ashley just oh God, top of the list. Don't need it. Don't want it. Don't don't got it it. Makes me cackle. Like in that one scene in the trailer when she's talking to Stacey, it's like you're weird and she's been full drag king. Yeah, you are not a good drag king.
It's. Weird to me, I don't see, here's The thing is Ashley in the whole Dragon King situation is that it makes me feel like a hypocrite of sorts because I mean, I've, I guess I've seen some good drag kings before, but you just I just don't, I don't know, I don't lose myself in the illusion of a drag king. Every drag king I've ever seen, I'm like, that is a woman dressed as a man.
Whereas there are some drag Queens where I've just been like, Oh yeah, that's an illusion, That's an illusion. So maybe I've just not seen good drag kings so that my bar is too low, but I just think that Ashley's even lower on that. But I feel like a complete asshole for like just scoffing at Drag king. Look, OK, so The thing is, yes, she's, she is queer, Yeah. She's like, you know, being very passionate and sincere about being a drag king. I think that's what it is. Yeah.
The sincerity, but also a mix of like, I'm doing this for the show, yes, that makes it just like. I think I would feel 10 times better if I if Ashley was posting Dragon King photos when they're not filming. And if she wasn't on the show to begin with, would she be doing this correct? I don't know. So that was my one thing. I the other thing I'm not looking forward to a Stacey pylon.
I hate a pylon as we'll get to. It's just for some reason Giselle and Ashley decided they don't like Stacy very much. So Giselle and I'm sure other people start, you know, trickling into it. And it's like, why are you so bothered by her? Because the things that you're pissed off at her, you know the TJ of it all. And then it's going to get into the lying about being a competing weed lie. And you know, Eddie, it doesn't
concern you. You don't care about these other people, but you want to out this chick. And I don't know. And also coming off of this with Orange County, with everyone piling on Katie, yes, and then last season with everyone piling on Mia and everyone like, and everyone on Potomac just trying to ice out everyone every. Season it's happened to Wendy. Wendy up in the Candace before happened to Monique. Who's coming back? I'm just really tired of it and I don't want to see that happen
again. So if that ends up being which I'm afraid it's going to be the majority of the season and. It's at least like one or two people who are like cool with her, whether that be like Wendy or whoever. I just it's just it's just never good when everyone is against one person, right. It's very awkward and it.
Especially because I can hear, I can hear Giselle now if she didn't say it in the trailer, because at some point I just in the trailer, I was like, oh, I just kind of stopped watching when I was watching, but I stopped paying. Attention checked out. Yeah, I can just hear Giselle saying like the same thing that they're saying to Katie, like, well, how can we trust you? Like you lied about, you know,
this weed line. And it's like, what are you possibly gonna do that's gonna are you going on QVC anytime soon, Brazil? Are you gonna be like, I'm just already not into it? And the I think, I think the fact that she and Ashley so quickly gang up like on her in the trailer, I'm not in. Jarna says something to her as well. I'm glad to see Karen is back. Yeah. We'll see. You know what she does? Yeah. She was. She was in the trailer about as
much as she was in last season. Pretty much, yeah. I thought it was funny when, you know, Stacy pointed out. You don't have a husband but and that we see Stacey's husband in the trailer. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and then hearing that that's the whole thing that like she's apparently trying to get back together with him. But then she's also trying to get together with Chris Samuels. And then like Monique pops in. Yeah, I am interested in the
Monique Giselle, sit down. And I know it'll be more so I'm sure Monique apologizing and then Giselle taking any accountability for this shit she said about Monique for several seasons, right? Because that's Giselle doesn't take accountability. Yeah. So again, I'm already looking forward to that. Tia, I'm interested about, interested in. Is that her name? I can't remember. There isn't Tia. There's Tia in an Angel. Yeah, Tia's the one with the the accent.
The one that I see is like reminded me of Kim Cole's putting on a bad accent. It. Really felt kind. Of bad. I really felt like I was watching like a weird episode of Living Single and it was like Kim Cole's got like a What was her character's name? So, Sinclair, Yeah. Sinclair got like, topped with her hand in the cookie jar and she's like, am I taking the cookies? That's really what I thought it was. And she put like, oh, and then wanders off camera.
She says you're like and we're taking the biscuits, yes. Exactly, I said. Sinclair would probably say cookies. She would. She wouldn't know she. Wouldn't have the exactly. Yeah, I forgot. Yeah, there's her. There's the other New Girl, Angel and. That's gonna be confusing since Giselle's. Daughter's name? Angel. Yeah, I'm. Sure, it'll be a hijinx of hilarity. Just bring it up at least 20
times. Well, I like in the trailer, just just, I was like, I have a friend and it's like, OK, 'cause he lost Robin, now you have to replace her. This British lady got it all right. Well, and then I used to. They're all coming for her for whatever reason anyways. It's yeah, it was, it was very chaotic, the trailer and I think it was a lot of things like throwing together without context. Yeah. And we'll as it goes on, like, oh, this is what they were talking about.
But for now, it's just like, I think like shucking things. We're shucking things like reads like snap, snap, you know? The Internet seemed to be losing their crap over the Karen letter. Like like the. Whole Oh my God, I. Was like, I don't want, I don't want a gimmick. That's what I don't want. I don't want a gimmick to like the trailer. I don't want a gimmick to. Potomac has always been very gimmicky. Very much so. But usually it was Karen and her party except for gimmick.
We were like, last year's trailer was like like the 1950s housewife. They said. They always do have to have like a gimmick to say that. I don't need that. Just I don't need a trailer. I think everyone aside from the letter, they're losing their minds over Mauricio randomly popping up. Oh, I don't think I know. You didn't know. I didn't think you did because like I was like, we haven't talked about this. Well, you should have mentioned something. Ratio pops up and they're like
she didn't. He had Giselle hug and they're like, oh, good to see you. And it's like everyone's like, what are you doing here without Kyle for Exia? Is he selling Giselle's house? No, they're also in like western gear so maybe it's when they go on their. Trail. Perhaps they run into them somewhere? Maybe selling agent agency party in Virginia. I don't. Know so that means salt lakes coming back on the 16th. When is Potomac coming back? October 5th. October 5th. So a couple.
Weeks later, so we Sunday, OK, we're going to have a nice schedule again of everything. Again, they could have left Miami on Wednesday, but maybe they say the ratings have been doing well again after OC. But Miami will be wrapping up soon so we won't have 4 like by October. I don't think we'll have 4, right? I like 3 fours too much. I was so worried because I'm going camping that one day I'm leaving on a Thursday. Right. So you're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna miss.
OC in. In Miami, but I'll be back that Saturdays. Right, right Record. Yes. But damn it, I thought I had that all time differently. I thought I had it timed so that one of the shows would be done. Well, we're gonna, so we'll have like the debut of Salt Lake, so we'll record that. Would be the night before. Yeah, I'll just have to edit it before I leave. Oh good, I'll have time to edit.
It on Wednesday yeah, yeah. And then, totally unrelated but related, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives comes out the week of Bravo Con that Thursday. Oh well, that's a few months later. We have to hear. That well, it's supposed to be September, but then it's like, wait, November? That's weird. But so anything going on with you or do you want us to talk about Orange County? Nothing is going on with me, nothing really like exciting. Nothing exciting so just planning your work Christmas party.
You know, yes, it's early, but you have to do these things early and grab a venue. So we looked at 1:00 today and I liked. So we'll see if my boss likes it. And yeah, that's my thing. It's a nice from my perspective, it's a nice refreshing change and you're smart to have started earlier because normally it's like November 15th and you're about to play. We've got to plan a Christmas party. I. Feel like last year I, I might have been October, I looked into, yeah, I'd have to look at
the emails. But yes, he was like, what? It's so early. I'm like, it's really not. Some people like plan a year and a half. Some people plan at the previous holiday, yeah. Well, you're lucky because like your work, you have a venue that you own, and there's the two of that you. Have that lucky I get to go to the same place for everything all the time. Yeah. No, it's actually comforting at some point.
No, that's cool. Yeah, I'm I, you know, I'm most proud because you for the longest time are like, I'm not planning the Christmas card. I'm not doing it. And then you're like reluctantly doing it. I think it was your success last year of playing the really good one that you liked that everyone. Was my favorite so far, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And once you were like, I'm listening to myself, I'm not listening to others. I was talking to other people on my team and he was saying like,
how did you end up doing this? I'm like, well, because I just I'm the one who pays for stuff. So I they're like, you should pay for this party When I was like, as the years have gone on, this is my 4th 1. I just like doing it because I like being in control and I like picking things. And so no one can like say bupkis because I'm like, I picked it. Well, my boss can say no, I want this venue. But you know, I'm like. It's just nice to like, control something.
Right, but I think you would be absolutely gutted if one of your coworkers was like, I hate that place. That was dumb. You would just. And I'd be like, you'd plan it yourself. Fuck them off. And then you're fired, OK. Say it, forget it, write it, regret it. So I would tell him to his face. Fuck off. But not your boss, just a Co worker. Not my boss, my coworker. You can, yeah. Scratch. So, okay. Yeah, that's me. That's us cat over there rolling around. Yeah, cats.
Doing okay. Gaps is Gavin, Yeah, we're talking about you. Yeah, OC. Orange County something. How did this begin? It started with weren't they going to meet Kiki Monique that that happened. It was a bunch of, like, random scenes we got. OK, so we're talking about the random scenes, Heather, Basically the whole scene, Like, I'm with my family. We're playing poker like we normally would. The kids are like, why are we here? Yeah. Not that they don't love each other, but they're like, we
don't usually do this. This is family game night isn't a thing, but it was basically just to establish. Hasn't sold the house yet. Spoiler alert, House is sold already. Oh, it is. Yeah. The Josh sold it, yeah. Good for that. Did they sell it for a good amount of money? I can't remember. Probably. So I'm sure she'll break even. I'm sure she doesn't need the money. I think Heather's going to be OK.
She won't be house poor. Yeah, I guess that it's reverse if you're saying I know what you're so. Yeah, her family is lovely. That part I did like, you know, she had a biopsy, so she had a Band-Aid on her nose. Well, actually mentioned it, and that was Heather. Yeah, Shannon had her father seen. God. Damn cringe. Yeah, I ever, ever, ever have. I would never. I would. Restaurant. I would be so horribly secondhand embarrassed, so I would never do that. Yeah, it was so weird.
And Cran, I don't. I don't even like having like telling the restaurant it's someone's birthday. Well, your birthday or my birthday. I don't like it, friends. I'll do it too because then I I can just say, well, it's not me. But yeah, I don't even like when the restaurant has to no, just it's like, no, no one, no one who's working at a restaurant is saying like, you know what I hope happens today? I hope I have to say happy birthday to at least 10 people. I don't make.
I'm ready to clap. Yeah, no, no, no. And then they said that other, other part of the scene was Shannon telling her dad that she's not sure if she's going to trust Tamron, her dad. I mean, like, Yep, Uh huh. Yep. I'm 96. I don't care. And then like, I guess talking about how he's, he flirts with all the women's. Lovely. I mean, he did look pretty good for 96. I would have. I would have guessed younger. It was like 80s. I mean, I just think in my mind, 96 is just yeah, like.
There's some people in 90s that they're just. Like in my mind, right In my mind, by the time I'm 80, I'm going to be bedridden. So 96. No, you can't. We need you. 96 I'll I will I will be a coffin so. No. So we need you. OK, but no, what is it about it? I think it's just about him, he. Gene, the Machine. Gene the also, it really bothers me that she does that to men's names that rhyme. No, that was or I think Earl that gave himself that Earl. Earl the Pearl?
Yeah, I don't know, Maybe she's got some daddy issues. I mean, she probably does. But it was a lot of issues. But that bothered me. But also her dad kind of was giving me Hugh Hefner vibes. Oh I could see it, but not creepy and not a horrible person. I I I'll go with not a horrible person, but I'd say a little creepy. I'll say he was creepy, he was just older. He just didn't seem, he didn't seem, he didn't seem like the kind old man that gives you
candy. Well, else didn't seem like an asshole who's like trying to get into the drama be like, no, you should not trust that Tamara. He's like, yeah, I get it. It's hard. Like he's basically like a glaring and like being her talk to only for a certain amount of time. He's like, look, I'm older here. I don't have. We ever seen Shannon go over to Jean's house? Has she ever gone to visit her dad? I want to see. Yeah, there was a scene last year because she was talking
about John Jansen with. Over at his house, I can't. Remember his house It was but they had a scene I. Remember, I remember there was one, but I kind of want to see where Jean lives. I kind of want to see like, does he live in like? Is this the living? That was my one question, yeah. Or it's like a like an old, like a retirement community. Yeah. Or just in 96. You need someone to help you with your pills. Maybe he's got a nurse who comes in and you. Know, yeah.
So or, or I guess also what I'm wondering is like because he lived like in a time capsule of a house. A time capsule. This is my house from the 70s, you know. Is doing a time capsule collection with Sutton. Yes, that's just a capsule collection. Oh, it's whatever Sutton was in the time capsule. He. Does indeed. So anyway, yes, Shannon and Jean the machine. What are the random scenes? There was. I meant to remember them. But those were like the. Those were the big.
Ones the basic ones, so was no. Jen and her kids talking. That was nothing. The the bowl cut on her one her kids have a certain. Hair. Aesthetic and I'm it's. Midwestern, because that's where they're. Right. Utah. Utah, Yeah. Either way, I, I don't, I know. I've seen pictures of their father like on the Internet or something. They always, always blurt out. Not on the Internet. On the Internet. Yeah, on the Internet. Yeah, yeah. But I can't.
Every time I see their kid, I actually, I won't say. Every time when there's more than one of her kids in the same room, I'm like, who do they take after? But then it's a hard game to play because some of them are adopted and you know all that stuff. Only one's adopted only one the. Honest. All right, Either way, yeah, I don't need her. I don't need to talk the kid talk. To no SO. We got to see Gretchen and Slade taking down a chandelier over the tub and not being
electrocuted. We get the big, not big, but the more significant scene would be the Kiki of it all. Oh, right. Yes, here's the thing, I believe Kiki that Katie spoke to her. I don't know why Katie's saying she's not. She's just admit I spoke to Kiki and I told her what Gretchen told me, like let go of one lie to prove, you know, that someone else is lying. So what I don't. And then, well, we'll get to the
jam thing in a second. But so Kiki reveals this and then Gretchen like really, really, really, really tries so hard to cry and she feels so betrayed. And the acting was horrible. The acting is horrible because I even though Katie is a liar, I believe for certain certain that Gretchen said that she went to the hospital and she felt like she was drugged. I believe that happened because she said it in the damn Sprinter with Tamra and Shannon, Yes. So you're not going to get me off that?
I don't think I'm ever going to be able to. Yeah. And. I hope it comes out later on. I hope Tamra's just sitting on this and that she didn't say it for a reason I don't know to be. Continued Maybe the to be continued is Katie leaves and then Tamra brings. It up, I think maybe when we get there. But like, yeah, I, I Gretchen was totally acting. She's a horrible, horrible actress, horrible actress, very pretty.
Too many too much of A beat like that was some full face and those eyelashes were like gonna jump out and grab you like that spider she oh God, that's home respond. Well, we'll never know. She Gretchen had Trixie Mattel's makeup on. Like it was it was Trixie makeup because I was noticing like even the harsh line where like the eye makeup stopped. I was just like, whoa, like that's clearly like someone took a ruler and like airbrushed to
the. Ruler, so much makeup on, looks so much like Trixie that a member of her political party would not let her talk for children or do story time. Good one, good one. You had to refine that one, work on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For Bravo Comp. Whip that out some witty like. Would be like that. Been banned from going to libraries. Talk to children. You can't figure that's it. That's it. Those eyelashes were kind of. So so. Yeah, so and then the Gina thing, I it did happen.
They did the flashback. Thank you, producers. They definitely like dug through and found that. I don't think Katie was trying to paint Gina as a waitress as AI would. Rather Gina paint her as a waitress. Where is that Hun? I got your cannoli. No, I don't think she's. Southern covered, Sorry. She wasn't trying to paint,
paint Gina as a racist. She just thought it was a bit offensive how Gina phrased it. And then you hear Gina's point of view, which is like very much like she got her back up. She was like, no, no, no, I was mad at this girl and da da da, like, why are you mad? Because I think she's trying to say Katie was putting it out there that she was only going to wear Asian designers, being the first Asian woman on OC or just
being an Asian woman in general. She was going to support other Asians and then made a big point of it and then she does making it seem that she got tried to be like all big time and wear fancy designers like Balmain and whatever and then that kind of discounts her wearing Asian designers. But it doesn't it's not her lying about that. It's not her trying to be something else. She just wasn't going to just strip where only Asian designers, right. So, and I think I don't know,
yeah. My problem with this whole thing is that Gina, I think you're right. That was a complete thing. But what Gina should have just done is not get up on her soap box. Yeah, my horse and just said I was being messy. I was trying to say like, oh, I thought you were only going to have Asian designers because that's. Exactly what she what she meant. Spirit of what she was doing, which is fine. It's totally fine to be like I was giving her shit for not wearing Asian designers.
But the Kiki say, like Katie said that you were racist, no? I mean, I believe, I do believe Katie in saying that, like probably the way that Gina said it was a little aggressive. Or tone deaf. Right. Exactly. Like, I mean, when it comes down to aggressions, it was more than a microaggression, but I don't think that it was like intended. I don't think there was intended to be a, you know, like race of racistly aggressive, right? It was just more like, you know what I'm saying?
Exactly what you're saying, Yeah, More pure. No, I don't think she no, no, I don't think Gina was being racist. I don't think she was trying to. Katie was trying to paint her that way. She just thought it was very it was offensive to her. And as she explained to her confessional, growing up in prominent white communities, people can say things that don't, let's say that not their intention to be hurtful, but it can be hurtful. And she's entitled to that
feeling, right? So unless Kiki is saying had said straight up, yeah, she told me that you're the white lady who's like, it's not the racist thing. But she didn't say it that way, right? Right. You know who did say that thing that's dude on that TikTok video? The guy who said like, oh, I helped Katie out and then she like did he said that Katie said that? Gina said that she smelled like kimchi. Oh God. So, and whether that's shoe, who knows? Again, there's so many, so many
spinning, spinning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hard to, like tell who's being truthful, right? But anyways, the main take away from that scene was Gretchen is a horrible actress. Yes. I mean, I could tell you that the other week when she walked, had to walk away from Tamara and Shannon, like, I can't believe they said that. Or even like in the when she's in the back of the cab, she's like, I did go to the hospital. I felt sick. The hospital?
Sorry, you're reminding me of some inside joke that we have. What is it? Hospital? No, it's it's Barack. No, Barack. Oh, no, Yeah, you're right. It is. It's What's your face as Michelle Obama. It's Viola Davis playing Michelle Obama in that TV limited series about first ladies and she really put it on with like, Oh no Barack and like the voice that like Michelle really do. But Viola, who was an amazing EGOT winning actress, but it's it was a little much.
Much it was. It was very school marmishing, Conda said. No, Barack, we do not. We don't do that. Oh. No, Oh no, Oh no. To this day we still that was like what 3 that was during like. That's during like post like right? After the 2021, it was still about four years later. Oh, no, we're going to be telling that to our children. Oh, no, Oh no, We, we don't touch the hot stones. We. Don't do that. Oh, no. Oh no. I don't know. So yeah. Basically, we get to the party, right?
Yes, which I didn't know Shane. I mean, we didn't watch some years of OC. Yeah, So we we learned that Shane was half Persian. Probably so. Probably. So it's probably been on the show before, but we're like, OK, OK. And it's Persian New Year. Yeah, I didn't. I when I, I mean, yeah, it did seem a little performative. Like felt like Emily needed an excuse to have this party and so she was. Like I'm having a get together,
you know? I also right, I also would have been like, OK, Persian New Year and her mother-in-law was there, but her mother-in-law was not there. So what was it like? I'm going to throw this and then later on when you bring her the leftovers, what's going on? I don't. Because the old point was her father in law's, you know, not feeling well. So I need to do a big thing at the mother in law's house. So she's like, I feel like I need to do something for just my coworkers. Yeah, my friends.
Seemed strange. And that involved also egging her own house. Yeah. I didn't quite understand to the ward. Off screen I mean it seems to be one of the traditions. I don't know what that's about. I wish I could have explained it more. I also wanted to know does it have to be raw eggs because that shit stains. Yes, have you? Ever. Have you ever egged? No, I never egged someone's house. Gross.
That'd be very. I mean, growing up in the suburbs like this, you know, and then the I grew up in the. Suburbs I do that's. Still, you know how wholesome this town is in this. Town we at Google's house is good. I I I toilet papered and I egged once and only once, but my brothers. Oh, my brothers, sure. They, they were prolific Eggers
and toilet papers. And the point where, like my mom, my mom would have to stop buying eggs like before the weekend, because if she bought like eggs, like on a Friday, tonight, they'd be gone and we'd have no eggs until she would. I'd be so mad if I was a. Yeah. Also, this is the other thing in this in this town, when you graduated junior high, they used to have shaving cream fights down at the Community Center at the heart.
Yes. So all the 8th graders would go down and like you'd have like you just did a shaving cream fight. I remember my brother coming home like that day just head to toe covered in shaving cream and by the time I got graduated 2 years later they stopped it. They wouldn't allow it anymore. Someone like slip and fall. I don't know. Or maybe someone just, you know, ate too much shaving cream. But yeah, yeah, that's how wholesome this town is. This town, I swear.
So anyway, it's great. Where were we? Egging the egging. People. Yeah, so. Your whole thing who's very anxious like about this party because I knew this we all knew the setup and so it's like everyone would arrive and it's like Kays arrives and it's like this is very awkward no ones talking to Katie really and it's like there's waiting for like this bomb to drop because. She was wearing that sweater. If she had, maybe it was cold in there because the dress was
super cute. Was she showed up without that sweater? Yes. She looked really cute and clearly she was like I need something. Yeah, there's the AC is like pumping to keep all this food cold. Yeah, for the Persian New Year, that Simmons crank. Simmons. Simpsons. Simpsons, The Simpsons crank their AC and they're just nuts with that shit and. They started feeling nauseous and I was like, oh, it was bad. I mean, she was definitely,
Katie was laying it on thick. I mean, even before she knew there was going to be a lie detector, she was just like, I'm so nervous to be around everybody and like, Oh well. I'm nervous too. I mean like at the last get together they basically are like we think you're lying, you're a lying liar who lies and I mean, so perhaps what are you doing? She's. Getting drinks from the wet bar, What do you want to do? What does she turn on the water, start striking out of it? And you know crazy.
We had that sink installed and I think I've used it like 5 times. I never use it. I don't use it. Yeah, also. Because there's no way to dry anything we don't have like maybe if we installed like a towel rack and we had a dish towel up here, maybe, I don't know. Or if we like cleared away for you to actually use that wet bar because we just like just throw everything there. I always meant to get shelves to put the liquor on. Oh, that's right. But then we put that thing above.
It well, we can still take that down. Oh, I love that there. Well, we can move it, it, it fits perfect, fits perfect. There's other spots for it anyway. That's the theme chart from our wedding, by the way. Yes. By by the way, but no, the whole Katy thing, I feel like there's a difference between like in housewives style, like I think many other housewives would show up in that awkward situation. I would be one of them, a housewife if I were and just be
like, what's up? Like and just like run ahead first into the problem where she was sitting there quietly avoiding the situation. And I think that that may be the difference between a lot of the way people handle shit. I think she needs to, especially after reunion, which I sincerely hope she will be there, that she really comes in prepared and not just letting them all. Because it can be really hard when everyone's against you to assert yourself.
And regardless of how you feel about Katie, it's not fun as a viewer just to watch everyone pile on somebody and then they're just sitting there getting pummeled. It's just, you know, the equivalent of like, The Walking Dead when freaking like, right dude face who used to be on Grey's Anatomy, like pummeled Glenn to death with a baseball bat. Spoiler alert. Sorry. I've never even seen Walking Dead. Well, that's the last time I saw Walking. I saw Walking Dead because it
was so gross. But you know, you're right. You are. Yeah, you're right. You can. No, I don't. Know I forget his name anyways but the whole thing is though is that if that's the way Katie's gonna be now yeah she's gonna be just very. And I, if she's just gonna be like, OK, I can't do anything about this. She's not gonna be any different at the reunion. I don't think she's gonna come into the reunion guns a blazing and I don't. She has to. That's really especially if you're gonna go down.
You're not getting back ass back next season because everyone is. Almost everyone is saying they won't film with you, then you have nothing to lose. Well, I don't know if you saw already like social media while we were watching it, I saw like they're saying that the next like most half the season doesn't have Katie in it. Well, I think for sure she didn't go on the trip to Amsterdam, right, So.
But they're saying like the because the woman didn't want to film with her, like the producers like whatever scenes they were in, they've like she's kind of edited. She's been kind of given the the the Meili situation where they've kind of removed her from stuff because like the story is just not going to be involving her, which I hope isn't true.
But at the same time, unless she's going to be an advocate for herself and really stand up, which I'm still mixed about because I think it's bullshit that she would have to. I think just being, I think the fact that she has an orange should guarantee for some sort of, you know, position there that the other women should respect. Like it's not their show. It's. It is out, but, you know, but that's what they do when you have like a group dynamic like that, you can force somebody
out. Yeah. And it's really, it's it's gross. It's just, yeah. I don't see where she could go with them and they would have to like sit down, but that's what the unions for. But they would have to sit down and actually have a conversation where not everyone's yelling at one another or yelling at her and just saying like you're a
liar. Like let's get this out like 1 by 1. These issues you have or these instances you want to call her out on and she can explain herself, OfferUp any receipts, you know, any proof and just you know, we can move on. You don't want to move on with
her. You know, I was, it was just when Emily said you should go, I was like, like, now she's dismissing her, you know, like, because normally someone would be like, I'm going to go, but she's like, you know, you should go, Katie. And it's like the optics aren't good here. Yeah, I they. Really aren't and I'm not trying to say anything about anyone, it's just they're not good. Yeah, but you know, at the same time, you know, that could be the just.
It's just how it is I. Understand exactly like it that would. Do. Whether it was, you know, Gina or whether it was. Right. It's just, but it just, it just feels like everyone's just like trying to bury this person. Yeah. And I don't think she is evil. I was just like, hey, Gretchen, I don't think she's evil. She. Prayed. Didn't you see that happen? Oh my God, seeing Slayed freaking smiley Slimy what the hell his name is. Pray God's going to get you for that.
They have to pray just to make it today. OK, that's right, they pray. That's a good call back. That or call back so. They're. So foolish. OK, so let's let's break down the tests. All right? Katie fails. We know. Miserably. Miserably. That sucks. Gretchen is totally fine. That was a surprise. I was like. So again, that's why lie detectors are bullshit. They're bullshit. They're not admissible in court. You're right, as everyone said on the.
Internet and it's easy to beat them, it's just by remaining if. You're a good liar and you can be calm. Or if you believe what you're saying. Exactly. And she clearly. Believes. And also all it takes, not that I've ever been through one, but I, you know, all it takes I think to is just to believe the lie or to latch on to like a specific detail of like, like if the question was, did you go to the hospital after? You could believe, well, I
didn't go to the hospital. Someone drove me to the hospital. I didn't take myself there. Right. So if you think so hard that, well, I didn't go to the hospital, someone took me there, then that's what you're concentrating on, then you're not lying. You wouldn't nothing would happen. You're just kind of focusing on this detail. And we all know the Real Housewives of everything hash over these.
The exact word that was used. Like I didn't say this, I didn't say that, you know, as you know, I didn't say fatty photo. I said, you know. It's semantics. You're right, you're right. And so I think that's how she can justify it even even I think that's how a lot of liars and people who are fast with the truth justify it in general. Like, well, I didn't say no, I didn't go to the hospital. I said no, I didn't drive myself, you know, or whatever.
That because again, I fully believe she said this to them at Mastro's. So either she lied in the cab with Tamra and Shannon or she's lying or confessional lying now with the women saying she didn't do it. So either way, there's a lie here and I I don't know either. I'm going to maintain, and I think you'll agree, Gretchen is a lying liar who lies and that I'm irritated that Jen is
allowing it to happen. The Jen thing, so she was so irate, like I, I feel bad and I'm like that I trusted her and da da da da, and I thought she was my friend and you know, like I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I feel like you're dropping ship to a better friend who actually, no, I shouldn't say that. I just think she is aligning herself with Gretchen because she's like, you're my better friend. I'm going to be cool with you. There might be small trade motives about, you know,
placement on the show. We both hate Tamara, you know? But like, I just don't think Jen's being totally truthful or it's pretend amnesia. I think, yeah. I mean, I think Jen also, I did like her answer about why she failed the question about Ryan. I think that she might be just a little too meek, which is weird because she doesn't seem like a meek person. Not when it comes to Tamra, no. Right. But I feel like she's used. I don't know. I feel like she's just trying.
She doesn't want to go against people. Well, she was me, you know, like we last year with her with her, you know, marriage and and not really having asserting herself for having a lot of power. So I I don't. I think because everyone's against Katie, it's easier for her to be like, OK, this is the right thing to do, right? I think that if everyone was against Gretchen, then she'd be like, OK, I'm against Gretchen. I don't think so. I feel like she would, would follow.
She would, you know, protect her friend more. I don't know. I mean, unless she's like looked at Gretchen and said we can make some really awesome tik toks later. I you know. That's the other I got these sound effects. Well, that's the other alternative is which I hate to think is like, what if they are just genuinely racist and they're just like, we don't like this Asian lady.
Like it's awful to think right? But if that's their underlying motivation, I will trust Gretchen till the cows come home versus support. By we you mean certain Gretchen or everybody? I mean, I was thinking, I don't. Think everyone is racist? I think when I was saying earlier the optics are bad, the optics are bad. Let's be real, for all these white women, yo, sure, coming against this one Asian woman, right? The first Asian woman ever ought to see, right.
So that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they're doing it because she's Asian. I'm just saying it looks really bad when that's what you're doing here. Like aside from Mean Girls of it all, what it is, it's it's it's not a good luck. When you said that for all of them coming at the first date, I was thinking of New York with all of them coming at the first black woman at Ebony, that was
that was painful to take. I mean, really, when they're throwing, when they throw a woman of color into these groups, it doesn't it, it ends up somewhere like this. Except Bose, she was fine. Well, Anna Marie flocked, so boasted. Anna Marie. Anna Marie talked about esophaguses, so. Bose could. Suppose Bose could just wander in. Wander. Bose did an amazing job. I don't want to discount what she's done, and I don't. I like Anna Marie too. We liked her until she got real Martina like.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Very true. Yeah, yeah. So we are really getting off of the weeds. No, no, I like these weeds like I think, well. I got some weeds in the backyard. You could take care. Of oh, I do those weeds. You want fair, go to a carnival, right? No, but I mean, it's crazy. OK, so the other tests are Shannon was basically truthful about everything. Yeah, Yeah. And then Tamara. Tamara. She like wasn't lying, but like she. Wasn't she qualified her answer?
It was supposed to be yes or no and then that one. Was like I don't know if I spoke to Slade's ex or she spoke to me further. But she ultimately said yes. Yes, she said, yes. I I had communication with Slade's wife. Right, who we know is basically is said and it's not from Tamara, it's Slade's ex that Slade was a deadbeat dad. Yeah, period. That was period question with the Tamara didn't make this up.
OK, yeah, whatever. And then the autism thing, which again, she should have said yes or no. No one said I was on the spectrum. I left with that. My doctor said it could be there are symptoms that lead to a possibility, but she didn't say straight up you're on the spectrum. So she should have done better with that answer. Yeah, she definitely should. But like, obviously the focus is on on Tamara. They're going straight for Katie, done with Tamra, and then Emily's was like.
Although people are going to latch on to that and won't. Oh my God, people like latch on to like hating Tamra, like they like a baby latches onto a nipple. I swear to God, and now I'm Phaedra. I just gone onto a nipple. We're. Mixing franchises like crazy. Tonight, there was Heather's Would she rather be a Real Housewives of Beverly? I love that she actually said yes. Yeah. She's like the commute guys. No, you split the hand with Kyle and Dorit and and Bose.
We get it. They should give her like a walk on a couple episodes. Like have her be a friend. Like mess with people that. Would be awesome if she was an an orange holder and a friend of over on Beverly Hills. That'd be really nice. Cynthia would be like, wait a second. She's like, I made the wrong negotiations. So and then the the paparazzi thing, which everyone ignored that because they're so focused on Katie, she did call the paparazzi. Oh, they said she failed. Yeah, paparazzi.
Yeah, yes, obviously. I like Jen's answer. For once, Jen said something like that made sense. Yeah, just say I want to be like, yeah, I'm freaking Heather Dubrow. I call paparazzi. They come running right? Like, oh, Matt. Whatever, Gina. 'S was BS right? What was Gina's? About Travis's balls. Oh no. She used Heather for Oh yeah contacts. I didn't like how kumbaya the two were. Oh, I wouldn't have believed it even if you. Yeah, I was like. Someone was like, but you asked the question.
Yeah, right. Yeah, that was funny. Well, yeah, of course. I asked. Yes. And then Emily's just like, do you think you're a better lawyer than Shane? And she's like, yeah. That's dumb. And then something else. Oh, did you? Oh talk did? Someone asked. Oh. Did you talk shit about Heather in front of your kids? No Katie in front of your kid. No. Did you talk about shit about? Front of your. Kids. Because Katie's just the one that repeated it, right? OK, finished up. No favors.
But yeah, then it gets down to Katie and she's lying out of her lies and. You need to leave. That was ridiculous. That was really so awkward. And then she's outside, you know, breaking down with the producer. Yeah, I just don't like the pylon of it all. And also just, I don't know, it's still produced television, might be reality, but like they could have made that polygrapher say whatever they wanted, be like, hey, whatever, just let's you know, it's her first time on
a reality. Well, now we know that she did say it was about Katie, that, you know, she's so full of shit, like, Oh yeah, because she failed everything. So Katie needs a friend and I think the only one that it could be would be Tamara. So. And that's if she reveals the Gretchen thing. And she will. I mean, she's going to. She has to. Yeah, and hopefully in the Part 2 that's what happens. Is she? I can see it now actually. Katie's out.
It's really shitty that Tamara didn't say it sooner, right? But that's also why I do think that maybe it's it's not a concentrated effort, but like, we don't like it is a pylon for Katie because like, OK, Tamer can be like, OK, I don't have to worry about this now. Now I'm going to go ahead and bring up, well, Gretchen, how come in the back of the, you know, Van, you said you did go to the hospital and Shannon would be like, Oh, yeah, you did. I would hope Shannon would say that.
So just don't say it in your confessional. Say it in the moment, right? You know, the other thing with Gina and Emily, they were practically like, yeah, we're going to get her. You know, like when. Yeah, Gina said the Gretchen, we have a plan like, yeah, this is not, you know, I. Love it when you're a little Gretchen, your little Gina voice comes out. Yeah, I'm a plan. I sold this. I spoke about the meatball. Oh God, Which I forget whose dog's name is Meatball on this earth happens.
For a minute I was like, is that Tamra's dog? No, Tamra's is Oh. Yeah, it's like I want to say buddy or something. Or bully no. No, that's our friends old dog, right? But yeah, I can't remember. Right, I got this on Instagram. Do you follow it? I do not. I'm surprised you follow every other damn thing in the world. No, there's a leap from Tamaras dog to Cheesecake Factory, my friend. Okay, and I can't argue your Cheesecake Factory following has gotten us reservations.
Yes, by the way, we still need to have my your birthday. We haven't until the 5th. After we go buy a car on Monday. We're not going to buy a car on Monday. What makes you think we're not going to buy a car on Monday? That's a big purchase, okay. Well, we need one check engine light. I mean, I don't know that the check engine light just came on. Of course, when I'm trading in the car, it's not there. I don't know you're talking. Oh my God, we're not buying a car on Labor Day.
I think we are buying a car on Labor Day. We need we that. Scares. Me, we need to go look at a new car. This will. We need to look at a new car, yes. Either we get the low end that we can totally afford or we go ahead and we splurge and we get the highest end because they're having some great sales in the 2025 models and we could also get it at 0% interest, which would be fantastic. I just, you know, it's a big purchase and we're saving money for other things.
Agreed. And it just makes me nervous of like spending money in that direction. Greed. And also it's even though our cars giving us troubles, it's our first car that we bought together. It's hard to like, let it go. I mean, I don't mean to roll my eyes. That's your reason to not buy a new. Well, and it's, you know, I want to like give another try, but then it like keeps literally failing us. We're not failing. It's not failing. It's. Been fine it's just the the the
the check engine light. It keeps coming up with this stupid like catalytic converter cooler system doesn't work, which is just dumb because it doesn't need to happen like everyone on the line says you can just have that disconnected and it won't happen again. But. Regardless, we lost the audience, so we're not sorry. We're going to look at a car and we'll we'll see. We will see. I think we lost the audience like 45 minutes ago. This was like a wild episode.
It has been all. Over the place, yeah. But we have covered everybody, that's for sure, numerous times. I really hope we see Katie again before the reunion. I, I'm worried we won't. I'm, I, I don't need to see her just have hanging out with abandon. I don't need that. And and Matt. Matt, I need her to be involved with the women. Someone's gonna have to talk to her like. Can Gina go get tea with her? Gina wants something to do with her. Emily wants something to do with
her, Shannon said. Gretchen is like, you're the worst person ever. I can't ever trusted you. Jen's abandoned her. So, Tamara, you're right. There's, like I told you, like from the get go. So it's Tamara's the only one who would be the one to be like, OK, let's sit down and actually talk about something. And that's when like, Katie will probably throw something out there that's crazy and Tamara will take it back to the group and. Yeah. Yeah, All right. Well, sorry Katie, we tried.
Yeah, but we don't know. We don't know what's going to happen. We haven't seen the mid season trailer yet. True. You know, I just hope it's more drama spread out and not focus on one person. I feel like after next week's episode we'll get the mid season trailer because next week will be episode 8. This week this is 8. I thought it was 7. 7 was last week. You're right, this is 8, so yeah. Yeah. I mean, because then it's will
be the trip and the yeah. The trip, so yeah, after next week up. So I think we'll get yeah, the mid season because we're mid season. Okay, okay. Well, OC, I guess they're delivering. They are. They are delivering, but again, this episode was a little disappointing, I think, because it was predictable as to what would have happened. Like what happened? What do you think happens? Happens, You know, right? They're like Katie's a big liar and they don't address the
Gretchen line. Yes, which I need. I guess that's keeping me tuned in for next week. Yes. So till next. Time till next time.