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Well, he's the original housewives fan between us when we first started dating, I was like, oh God, Housewives guy. And, and I was like, eventually I'm going to have to watch one of these. And he, he got me introduced I think with the Atlanta, one of the Atlanta reunions. Yes, it was season 10. Yeah, and reunion, I think a reunion is a good place for people to start when they haven't really housewived before, because I think it's really good to, because I just sat down on like, oh, that
girl's lying. Oh, that person. And you could just easily see the mechanics going on. I think sometimes that that really got me going. And then you know from there, living together. Yeah, we moved in together. We started watching all of them, basically. But funny enough, not Miami. We just start. Yeah. Yeah, we kind of. Wondering because I thought you mentioned in in one of your podcasts that this is the first season you've watched Miami. Correct.
Yes, I watched the first two seasons like way back in the day, and then I don't know about the third. And then when it came back on Peacock, we were just like, we met too, but then we're like, we're not into that. And so that just became like the one we didn't watch, basically. Yeah, it. Was kind of our thing for a while. We'll watch all the Housewives but not Miami. But then this last, you know, last few months, you're at that. You had that period where
there's no housewives at all. We're like, we got to watch it. We got to give it a try. Yeah. So basically the idea for the show, can't we just like we, you know, watch all the shows, Then we would talk about it in depth, like during and after. And so we're like, we should maybe do a podcast. And we thought about it, and we went to Bravo Con in 2023, and it was after the Beverly Hills panel. We were just in line at the bar talking about what we just seen on the panel.
And this woman behind this said, do you have a podcast? Because you sound like, you know, like what you're talking about. And we're like, no, we're just two husbands, you know, who watch Bravo. And she's like, well, if you had a podcast, I would listen because, you know, you. Yeah, you sound really knowledgeable. And so we that's. Awesome. Yeah, we've been toying around with the idea of it and, you know, just decided, OK, well,
let's do it now. Let's go ahead and get some mics and give it a go. And here we are now over 200 episodes. And then, you know, meet and find, find people like you do this as well. So it's all, it's great. I love it. Yeah, it's a nice community. It is, it is, it is. I mean, some of it we, we haven't met very many people. I say we were saying before we started like it, you know, there's some people with some really awful takes out there.
So it's always nice to be able to find people that have have some similar alignment but also different opinions about stuff. So. Right. You just, you want to stay rational about it. But but like our friend Lori, who does this with us too, she's like, there's nothing rational about these women. I'm like, no, I get that, right? We just have to stay rational about it. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen him throw down his phone so many times after just scrolling Twitter or Reddit and just.
I just can't. I just can't. I get so fired up. Then I'm like, why am I getting so fired up? It's just the reality show. Even like doing the pod like I'll just like just go on a rant and afterwards like listen to it. I'm like, why was I so upset about what she said? It's just the reality show, calm it down. Oh yeah, I mean, I'm sure you've realized I pop off very easily about things and Wendy's like why you get so mad? I'm like, I know and I don't know why.
Like it didn't happen to me. Probably mad at something going on in my house and taking it out on these housewives. That's awesome. So we're going to talk about the Real Housewives of Miami Reunion Part 1. But before we dive into that, let's talk about the reunion looks. So I have them up behind me. Scott, which one was your favorite? My favorite, honestly, I didn't think I would like it so much until I saw it on screen, was actually Marisol's.
It was really like seeing the pictures of it. I was like, but I really liked just kind of like the the IT was a little ice skater Y without being too ice skater Y. It had the right amount of sparkle. So that's my favorite. How about you, Jeff? Mine was actually Alexia's like I don't normally like yellow but it looked really good on her and the hair and the and the red lip and it was just a nice presentation all around. I thought a. Little too plain for me, just
straight yellow dread. But it was a very statement. It was very strong, yellow like a like a sunburst. Right. If you're Andy, it was orange. Yeah, so. Yes, yes, that's right. To me and what Lexia's looked extremely painful up top. It happens with a lot of reunion. Looks like they're really squeezed in and I'm like, are the girls OK? That's what I mean. Like I don't know. And I don't know if Alexia's has fake boobs or not, but maybe if they're fake it doesn't hurt so
bad. I don't know, it just looked very painful. Never thought about that. If fake versus real, I guess yeah, fake would. Like maybe they're numb. I don't know. If somebody could, if a listener could, could give us an insight, that'd be great. Great. Yeah. Trying to think about what's yours fake. Boobs. I'll ask them. Which one's your favorite? I don't know if I have any. My favorite I I like Lisa's and I like Kiki's. Oh, those are good. Those. Are good, yes.
Yeah, I mean, Kiki, like that picture I don't think does it justice, but obviously Kiki's stunning. She really can't do any wrong with the fashion thing. But yeah, I I thought she stood out. And this is where Wendy comes in and says Larsa's was her favorite, right? Oh no. This is beautiful. No, no, no, actually, I said Marisol's. Marisol's my favorite. And Lisa was, I gave her number two. She got my second spot because I thought hers was very nice too.
But Larsa's, I heard on Anna's, Anna's podcast that she looked that dress up. It was $176. Her dress. Really. Larsa's. Yes. I don't remember where it was from. I know, but I don't know where it was from. But $176 reunion dress, I was like you it it showed. It looked like $176 reunion dress. I totally agree with that. Yeah, I've said it before. Nobody can pull off a bodysuit like Larsa. I mean, she's got the body for a bodysuit, right? Not at the reunion, right? Use it up a little bit.
Use it up. Yeah. All right, so let's get on to the reunion. The ladies arrive at 6:53 AM the day of the reunion. Adriana shows up with her dog, her emotional support dog, Basquiat. How funny was that? When Andy was like, yeah, Adriana, I'm getting from production, the dog has to go. Meanwhile, probably nobody was in his ear. And he was like, I don't want this dog on this set like. Someone's saying. Someone is me. Exactly that someone is me Lars
is talking about. She doesn't do receipts for the reunion. The only thing in her phone are photos of her feet. OK, I I believe that she's the. Only fans plug. In there. Exactly, Julia is crying and emotional about all the social media posts and then they flash the social media posts. I mean, she was getting a lot of hate on social media. She definitely was. What are your thoughts on that?
Well, we're not the biggest fans of Julia's this well, I'd say this season, but this is our first season. I really wanted to like her cuz I think when we watched the first season back when they were Miami returned, I really kind of liked her. But I was really disappointed with kind of how just she went over all and you know, from the water throwing and everything. I, I don't know, I think she kind of deserves not all of that stuff, but a little bit, I mean.
A little bit of that I think hate to a certain, you know, Housewives fans can be a bit toxic and a bit overboard. So I think I don't hate anybody and no one should hate anyone. You don't know these women. You may not, you may disagree with them, but there's no need to name call or threaten or what have you. So I wouldn't go that far. I would say I strongly dislike Julia and things that she said as well as her wife, which we get to like for a minute.
We'll talk about that later. Yes, yes we will. Yes, you know, it's yeah. There's no need to like, come at her so hard. So no, I think we can all agree that she's has not been a good friend to Adriana. This. No this season. Or. Granny. For that matter, no. No, of 100. Oh, no, Absolutely. Absolutely. That's how it started. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, how about that flashback? To her going crazy and throwing the chair at that one event where Anna. Yeah, right. There's a history.
And here's the problem. There's definitely a history, but that season it didn't work for production to show that side of Julia. So we didn't see it. But this season, it works for production to show that side of Julia. Production's really interesting. They're watching the show they want us to see of. Course, yes, they really pick and choose what what gets the the greatest segment. It's like, oh, you chose that. OK, yeah, interesting. That changes the narrative,
yeah. It does, but yeah, yeah. For. For Julia to show up and just be already, I mean, I guess she'd be right off the bat, like in her feelings like that and just be so like already wound up. It's a little bit, I don't know, part of me is like she's preparing things for later so she can have a defense of just, you know, sorry. Things have been really, really horrible for me where instead of actually owning up to her behavior, which, you know, she says she apologizes.
But I don't know. It's very hollow to me, all that stuff. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree as well. Next we see Larsa brought her boyfriend, Jeff Kobe. I don't know why she feels the need to bring a boyfriend to every reunion to sit in the back and just support her, but he was there. Let me just let me just interrupt. I apologize, but he supposedly he's a basketball. Well, he is a basketball player. He's a basketball player. So my son and my husband loved the NBA.
Your sons love the NBA. So my son happened to be walking past. I said, Joe, have you ever heard of Jeff Kobe? He's like who? I said Jeff Kobe. I think he played for the. The only thing I could find on the Internet, something did say he played for the Knicks one season, but then I couldn't find anything else. I don't know if he actually played for the Knicks. I think he played in a Where's he from? Haiti. From Haiti farm league somewhere.
He just plays the minors. I. Believe so. Maybe Larsa's just downplaying. She's down grading her a famous athlete status. So she's like, you know, the last one was a little too high profile. We need a little lower profile one this time. Exactly. Paparazzi aren't going to, you know, catch him doing anything illegal, right? At least in another country. Yeah, Lisa's not going to want to follow him. So it won't be a problem. It'll be it'll be OK.
Exactly, yes. Andy kicks off the reunion with a shot of tequila for himself and the ladies, which I thought was a little odd, and he did say it's the first time they've ever done that, but I don't know if that's really the way to start it. Just saying. Well, Jeff was joking that after the Beverly Hills reunion where Garcelle just got up and walked away, he's like, we got to do we got to do the kind of the the kumbaya at the beginning of the reunion this year. Maybe.
Absolutely. That's a good point, A good point, but other housewives are like banned from drinking at all at Reunions Miami. They're doing shots ahead of time. They're pre gaming. They're pre gaming the reunion. Well, I think it's probably a part of Marisol's contract that if it's there's not a shot at the beginning, in the end she won't do it. So because she got a cocky cart off to the side.
A cocky cart. Andy asks Adriana who has a higher sex drive, her or Basquiat because she took her dog to get that before he got. Fixed, I forgot about that. I thought it was. Funny, so my daughter's favorite artist is Basquiat and I thought he was talking about the artist. I'm like, why would he ask that? I didn't realize that was her dog's name. I thought. I saw it in the episode but I forgot. I thought it was the French boyfriend for a second.
I thought I thought he was talking about the French boyfriend. He just disappeared. Like they made out for 4 episodes and that's the last we saw of him. What did he do? Disappear. It was the dog. Yeah. I. Forgot I forgot about. That last hurrah before she had him neutered. She right, Right. So weird to the Georgia brothel. Thing, yes, that was.
Yes, I thought that was. I mean, I can't remember that you brought it up. Right, I can't remember if I I thought I googled if that was a serious thing that like existed in Miami like a doggy brothel. But then you know you get into some really bad search results after you search dog brothel. And now it's on your history. Yeah, yeah. Hopefully my husband doesn't look at my search browser. I did not. Let's see.
Then he brings up the Julia's coming up on her year with the boys with her and Martina and that Lisa recently rang the opening bell at NASDAQ for her new company split. Well I'm here for that with Lisa.
I was so excited before the season started she was on 2 teas in a pod and she was talking about it and she was explaining it and she actually understood what it was, which I'm sorry for Lisa I think is amazing because honestly prior to her talking about it, I really didn't think she was the brightest bowl, but she really knew what she was talking about. Right, right. No her apps that app idea sounds. Great. It's very smart. Yeah, like.
You'd think that there'd be something like that already, and then just to see that you're like, that's a smart thing to have created. And the name is good too. Yeah. The name's very good and I think there is something like I said, we live in Jersey and my girlfriend went through a horrible divorce and it took like 3 years and there isn't. There was an app that she was using. I think that's a court judge though. It's a court app.
The judge was Privy to it. The attorneys, any therapists or counselors involved are Privy to it. So. But the, the name of that was so clever. Yeah. Yeah. And if she can get it, you know, be used in courts and stuff like that, that would be amazing.
I think what you're talking about was actually something that Drew and Ralph on Atlanta talked about when they're going through their divorce about like, and with the judge and the therapist, and now they're all on the sort of app to communicate and, you know, saying what they couldn't, couldn't do and whatnot. So that's interesting.
Yeah, very. Yeah, no, I was kind of rolling my eyes at the whole idea of like, I rang the bell on the NASDAQ and I rang the bell on the NYSE and I was just like, that's like such a symbolic thing these days. But like, and it's not like trade, I guess trading does begin when with the gavel, but it's not like, you know, back in the 80s and 90s when it was all hell and mayhem once that happened. But it's just a weird thing that both of them had that opportunity.
It was just something that I don't think about on a regular basis, so. Right, Right. Yeah, I agree. My sister's actually done that. Has she? Yeah, I think my sister's done that. She works. She works in the finance industry in Manhattan and isn't that terrible. She probably told us. And we were like, oh wow, that's really cool. But now we know Gertie and Lisa. Did it? Yeah. Gertie did it right. I'm excited that Gertie and Lisa did it, though. There you go. Yes.
Priorities. Priorities ancestors. They know who I am. There you go. We find out that Alexia, her divorce is final now. And as of the taping of the reunion, she has no contact with Todd. But I mean, after the reunion, everyone saw the video that Todd put out. Like what are your thoughts on that? Which video was? Yeah, I don't think someone. He's talking about so he put out a video suing Bravo. Yes. Do you guys didn't see it? No, this is breaking news for us.
Yes, so he so that was after the reunion film, after it filmed. Yes, before it aired, after it filmed, he put out a video like a 10 minute long video. And Todd is known for his videos about the truth of really what happened with him and Alexia and that he did not leave Frankie alone like she made it sound like. And that Frankie's father is very involved in Frankie's life, which we've never heard. And that he's been there for Frankie.
And he fought to get Peter and Frankie compensated on the show and really a little bit more about what really was happening. And that he is. If you go to his Instagram you can watch it still. Yeah, all. Right. Yeah, I just kind of stay away from all things Todd because just honestly, I'm just so tired of hearing about him. And so like, even in this episode where she's like, oh, we're have no contact. I'm like, but by the time the new season starts, are you going
to be talking about him again? Is he going to be back in your life? You're going to be having nooners with him? Like I just. Exactly. So over it. Do you believe the Todd video or what are your thoughts on that? I believe the Todd video, I, I actually think Todd has more credibility than she does, to be quite honest with you, because I think with with her, it's all about her staying relevant on Miami. She's not, she's not giving up.
She's not giving up that mojito even though she said would, even though she said she would. She's not giving up that mojito. She's not. And what he said on the video is right. So he wasn't shown in a very good light last season. I mean, he it was his actions and you know, production does what they do. He not only, you know, left Alexia and and they're separated, but he wants nothing to do with the show. However, Alexia's whole storyline this season was him.
But that's not Bravo's fault. That's Alexia's fault. That's Alexia. Yeah. For sure. She just kept making it all about him and, you know, would have would have enjoyed more about her separate from him. But you know, we don't always get that. I. Think the part about their father was very interesting that how involved he is in their lives. But you don't ever hear that. Never. Not once. She's never once, right?
No, from her. She's never once said anything about Frankie and Peter's father on the show in a positive, you know, ever. Yeah, I don't think I've ever heard anything out of her mouth about anyone other than Todd. You really. So you know. And the other and the other husband who died? Herman yeah, and she does finally admit so. Wendy and I have literally both been watching Housewives since OC first season 2006. Like non, did you ever take a break? Were there some seasons you were
like Nope? Nope. Nope. I have. I didn't watch Atlanta for a few seasons. You gave up on Atlanta and you never watched Dubai? I never watched Dubai. You're OK. Dubai was good though. I mean, it was I. Liked I liked Dubai. I liked it. Was good. So that's what happened with us. We would go during COVID, we walked every night with our other friend Lori, and we drank wine. I mean, really, we went to, we did work, we worked. But come 5:00, it was walking, talking about housewives
drinking wine was our life. And that's where we, Lori used to make fun of us. She was like, Oh my God, you act like they're your friends. We're like, well, we've kind of feel like they are. We're vested. Except Teresa. She and I are not friends. Never happened. No, you're not a good place. No, we are not in a good place. So then that's how we started saying we're, oh, we're going to do a podcast. So I mean, can we if I can hand derail the conversation.
I mean, if picking up that you know, you're not very happy on Teresa, does that mean your team Melissa necessarily or is that? Percent. I always have been since she. Well, I will say this because I always do say this. I do think the christening was Joe Gorga's fault. Oh yeah, I can. See. OK, I can see that. However, everything that took place after that 100% Teresa's fault and Kim D but and I think that they were fine, and I've said this before, they were
totally fine. And then Louis entered, and he. Effed. Yes. Disrupted it all. Yeah, Louis really, really screwed up Jersey and. Many levels. So many levels. Many, many, many levels. Many, many, many levels. He's just so. Creepy he is. And listen, it's out there. Like his sisters knew where her shore house was or wherever. I don't know if she still has that shore house in. She doesn't. What the Hell's her? What the hell town is it? Whatever.
Right outside of LBI. She was right outside of LBI. But her, his sisters knew where she was going to be and they told him and he went there and he stalked her and he haunted her down. Yeah, dude wants to be famous. Woo at all expenses. I was going to make a joke about him being red but the lighting on me right now has me a little bit too. Red facing. No. I have no room. You're. Fine, I can never make a joke about being red because every time I drink wine I get red.
Excellent. Well, that is why we are we wine whenever because whenever we talk about housewives, we drink wine. It's only appropriate. Right. Alexia did finally admit that the Narcissist Party was about Todd. I swear she said that at the time that like she said something along the lines of like they were like we're going to forget about Todd and like da da da da. And I just swear she mentioned it, but I could be imagining it. I don't. Know.
No, she definitely did. And then she did a 180 and was like, this is about you girls. Yeah. Yeah, sure. This narc party, which I still don't know that they knew what that really meant. They don't. They really don't. Narc Party. Red flag, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So then the first thing Andy brings up is one of the things that the viewers really reacted to was the lack of reaction to the water toss.
And then Alexia jumps in and says, well, looking back and re watching this, like I, I should have said something. The way that Julia disrespected Gertie was not OK. It was not all right. We have said this and I will continue to say this. There was not enough reaction. Gertie was done wrong and they did not stand by her. And I think that even when Andy brings it up in this reunion, I still don't think it gets the respect that it deserves. And I still don't think they hear party.
They all start talking about when it's happened to them, right, right. Like season this, it happened to me. You threw a glass at me and you know. It's like, what about all? Made it about themselves. Yeah, yeah. And just still didn't even acknowledge the fact that like, yeah, this most recent time it happened to you and it was awful
and it shouldn't have. And they, none of them wanted to take any ownership for the fact that they, you know, really rushed out and were just like, they didn't, they were just appalled that it was happening. I don't know. I'm at well it's so worked out. Dial, dial. I think they, yeah, I think the whole couch was just very irked and in the way that they had to talk about it, and they were very defensive and very quick to want it, wanting to shut it
down. But what's crazy is that when you see the lot, the unseen footage, they did reprimand Julie at the time, which I think I don't understand why Bravo didn't show that because it changes the narrative a lot, you know? So it's it's just really weird. The only thing I can think of is that that it was kind of acknowledging that they the 4th wall. I was acknowledging they were on a show when they were having
that conversation. But the way they choose so Willy nilly these days when to acknowledge they're on a show and not. So why not add a little bit more to that? Those two, it's like they just they still, even if they did say something to her, they still all sat with her and she was allowed us to stay and they continued on in a very awkward, I'm sure moment when they Marisol could have said, you know, this is my engaged no wedding party,
whatever, whatever it was. I think you should go, Julia, you're obviously really emotional. You know, it's just it's not a good time and not a good look, But instead they're like, oh, let's just have her stay. And then it just went on from there. So I don't know, it just it was very messy. Even with the unseen footage, it's it's still very messy. And I don't think the people on that couch, the non Gertie couch, care about Gertie and I think they're highly annoyed
about the situation. And yeah. They're definitely annoyed about it. They're not. They they, they were clearly trying to ice her out. I mean, the response to her putting those texts up compared to the response of the water toss, I mean, the difference was like, are you kidding me? And that's crazy. They were probably thinking about all the backlash on social, the rightful backlash on social media, having Gertie's back. Like, yeah, that was bullshit. Absolutely.
And that's where I was getting a little heated just now is that they, when they, the the text reveal party, they get all worked up and like, that's just things you shouldn't do to your friends. And they all leave the party to console Julia instead of going back and reading the texts and seeing, like, to them, those texts could have told us who killed JFK and all, you know, the world's top secrets. And they wouldn't really with them because they were too long.
And they felt that it was, you know, betraying a secret, you know, just so ridiculous. Ridiculous. It was ridiculous. And then even when Andy asks if she's going to accept Alexia's apology, there was never an apology. And that's what Curly said. Like there was not an apology. How? How can you accept? And then she went on. This was the first time I got annoyed with Andy during this reunion. This was the first time because there were more. He just wants wants to move on,
move on, move on, right? If you don't have time to do these reunions, then get somebody else to do it because you can't just rush through that. Right. Yeah. And that's what he did. And I'm glad that Gertie said, you know what? What apology. There wasn't an apology. And I'm glad that she wouldn't, wouldn't agree to say, yeah, I'm just going to, I'm just going to let this go because it shouldn't be let go.
It shouldn't. Yeah, I feel something about Gertie's response, like, well, I agree with her playing it the way she did. It's still, it's not connecting, I think the way that she was hoping it would because she just seemed like she was, you know, her whole thing saying, oh, I'm just here to listen more than I'm going to speak. But then she didn't. And then she didn't. Oh, and especially the next segment when she just kept
interrupting. Well, Adriana was trying to help her, and she's like, no, no, no, no, let me. And then in comparison, Julia was very docile. And what do I need to do, Gertie? What do I have to do to get you to forgive me? And, you know, Gertie just seemed like more hyped up. And I think maybe Julia did that by design of like, I'm just going to sit here and be the nice one. And I apologize five times and, you know, yes.
Patronizing. Patronizing. Yes exactly, I agree with you on that and playing like the damsel in distress. Like I don't buy it with any of these ladies. Not a damn one of them is the damsel in distress. No, not with that wet hair. That's what is with the wet hair. Listen, we saw her at the at the Virtual Reality Awards. We saw her in New York City, but like 2 weeks ago, same hair. I'm like, what is she doing? I don't know it just it's. Dry the hair, dry the hair. Just dry.
Yeah, I mean it was better than that one confessional look where she had the two Squiggy lines coming down. She look like Squiggy from Happy Day. What are? You understand? Blow dryer broke. She's got a team, she's got a team that's doing this to her. It's not even like she's doing it herself. Her team doesn't like her. Exactly. We're starting to get convinced that these girls glam teams are like, you know what? Now it looks great. You look great like Lisa Barlow
and that. One smoky eye. All. You need, that's all you need is 1 smoky eye. It's the new thing. Everyone's doing it. Gigi had to eat it. Oh my God, one smoky eye. She would totally follow along too. She'd be like, yeah. Gigi Hadid, I love that. Can I say I know her if I do this? Because when I'm together with Blake and Ben. Oh, my God, that's so funny. What's next? So Kiki? Then Kiki jumps in and she said, you know, at the event, you
know, we were good. And then all of a sudden I hear that there's a problem and I'm being called a racist. Oh, I don't know how this got thrown into the reunion at this part. Like, Oh yeah. I feel like. Andy jumps in and and tries to explain like what what's going on on social media. Anytime Kiki was tagged in the post, they were saying that she was racist because of the way that she was trying to remove
her from the situation. Saying that she looked like an angry black woman because she because the the way she was trying to get Gertie out of that situation. She was acting as if Gertie were the problem and Gertie was being aggressive, which anybody watching that would see that that was not the case, right? I mean, that's that's not how I saw it. Gertie was not going to
retaliate physically. She's wanted to have a you know, they are, they were fighting, but she was not going to put her hands on Julia. And the way that Kiki was trying to pull her away as if she was trying to break up a fight. And there was no fight. Gertie sat there very calmly, wet after having water thrown on her when she could have reacted so many other ways. So I would have, and so many other housewives IE Alexia, Marisol, Larsa would have had a much different reaction than Gertie.
So Julia, absolutely. Julia would not be walking this earth if she had done that to Alexia, plain and simple. And if you're going to try to remove anybody from the situation, remove Julia. She's the one that just got physical. Yeah, exactly. With your friend. Right. Friend. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So. Yeah, I forgot about that. That was interesting. Like. Kiki's racist was like as random as like Adriana's racist
comment. Like during the finale party of like they're going to say I'm racist. I'm like, where did this come from? No one's saying that you're racist. We felt the same way, yeah, Like we didn't see it. We're going to clarify something and show us that something at the reunion that we haven't seen before, which will be super annoying. We have not seen anything indicating that what you say Kiki called her a racist that that Kiki insinuated that Adriana was racist.
Right. Or that the, or that social media was saying that Kiki was racist. Yeah. Yeah. So they might say like, oh, you're not supporting your fellow black woman in this position. But I don't think that's that. That's not racist. That's just yeah. Right. Anyhow, I don't know when it gets. And for some reason to yell more, right? I know. And when it, when it gets like that for the audience, honestly, it's very confusing. It's it's like, what are you doing?
Like, why is this what the focus is? Because then this isn't what it was about. It wasn't about that. And I'll be honest with you, at this point, I'm still trying to figure out how the hell Stephanie got in the first seat next to Andy. Yeah, we haven't even talked about her yet. And the first reunion, the first episode's almost over. We haven't even talked to her or about her yet.
Well, I mean in her in her defense, I mean she spent the 1st 4 episodes talking about how rich she was and kind of giving the intro like hi, I'm new on the scene. She wasn't even in the 1st 2 episodes I don't think. So she wasn't. You're right. So. I think chronologically we got to give her a little bit more time, but yeah, I don't think she still deserves first chair. I think, I think Massoud bought it. He bought her the first seat.
Listen, he upgraded her. He upgraded her to the presidential seat, the presidential suite, and the first seat. And in all honesty, I don't think Alexia deserves the first seat either. Like I know she's the OG, but why? Because she's getting divorced? I don't know why she was there. It should have been Julia and Gertie. They Yeah. But then Julia would have been in the first seat. Right. Yeah, well. That's true. And they probably didn't want to do that because of all the
backlash on social media. She's yeah. That's a good point. They put Tamara there every time. So you know who else was always there? Teresa. I know. Teresa was only not first seat like that first season. That's the only other time she was not first seat. I think you're absolutely right. Yeah. Yeah. Because second season she was when she literally physically pushed Andy down and then after that Melissa came on and then it was all about Teresa and Melissa. So you're. Right.
Yeah, interesting. Wow. I don't think we'll have that problem anymore. Just another trivia. Just another question to add to our trivia game that we're going to write. One day Wendy and I are going to write a Housewives trivia game. I would love it. We will. Play it all the time. So then Lisa says, well, we want to hear like what Julia has to say. So Andy asks Julia, like, what made you throw the water that
night? And Julia, you know, she starts well, you know, I understand, like watching the footage to Adriana, like brings you back to this horrible place. You know, that was out of my character. It was slightly enhanced because of alcohol, which I will say she was. She was drunk, But that is no excuse. That's just no excuse. You know, nothing I did was planned or rehearsed. Well, I, I, I agree that that specific moment wasn't planned
to rehearse. But I will say what you said at the end of this episode was 100% planned and rehearsed. For sure, for sure. She workshopped that, yeah. Her big palm shell that she dropped. Yeah. Yeah, she, she was the cat. She had the Canary in her mouth the whole time and just waiting to open up and just let that thing out. So she was working on it. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think the the one true thing that she did say during that that first bit was basically that she she saw an opportunity to impress Alexia and Marisol and that's why she threw the water is she wanted to be reactive. She wanted to like, get them to, you know, pity, not pity her, but like, take her side. And that's, that's what got her throw in the water. She wanted her moment. And I think that's also what pissed her off is that Gertie
called her out. You just wanted a moment, you know, So you've had it now. And now what you know. And now you look like a big Jackass. It backfired. And especially when Gertie remained as calm as she did and didn't react the way that Julia wanted, It didn't work out for her. So. Because if Gertie had reacted the way that Julia wanted, it would have been all about Gertie. Then she would for sure be the angry black woman who attacked Julia. And yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got it.
That's it. That's 100% it. Yeah. Then Marisol brings up the fact that she did take her to the bathroom. And then we see that footage where she, you know, she tried to talk to Julia and said that, you know, she didn't, that this, you know, we don't do that. This is not acceptable. And then they just keep bringing back up again. All the other times, all throughout this reunion, they're bringing back up all the other times that this has happened
with the ice bucket. And, you know, Marisol starts yelling at Gertie. You didn't, you weren't there with the ice bucket when Julia threw it at me. And Gertie said, show the footage. And they show the footage. And Gertie immediately got up, grabbed the ice bucket out of her hand like she was there for her. And Marisol's still standing on this platform. Like, no, you know, you didn't stand up for me. Why should I stand up for you? Because that's what I mean. They made it.
All about themselves, like they just did. Like what about when this one did this to me? And what about when this one did this? OK, well, but the behavior was wrong then and the behavior is wrong now. So how about we try to stop the cycle and make someone accountable for their actions? Because they can't see that, like, that conversation was
going nowhere. It was just going around in circles and like pointing fingers like the spider man meme of like who did went wrong and and it was you know, and they were never going to get you a little and because they. Were trying to ice Gertie out and they were trying to, you know, make her feel separate from from everyone else. They they were doing the whole, it's just hazing of sorts. Like, well, it happened to us, so it happened to you.
It's not a big deal. It's like, well, you know, maybe it shouldn't be happening to people. That shouldn't be a rite of passage on the housewives necessarily, as much fun as it can be to watch. But, you know, at least let it be a napkin, not a glass of water. Right, right. I mean, and I don't know how you guys felt about Doctor Nicole, but we love Doctor Nicole and I think that that's, I think she was one of the classiest, you know, successful. She's a good housewife. Well, we saw her.
Yeah, like her. She's we. Don't really know, we don't really know much about her but I like that one scene when she went to lunch with Gertie and from what I've heard about her she found it's like everyone talks so highly of her and was so sad when she didn't come back this season but understood why she didn't so. So she said that one of the friends, I believe it to be Marisol, basically hired a private investigator to follow her and her partner around to get dirt on them to use for the
next season. I mean who? First of all, she sold her house to Jeff Bezos mother, so she clearly doesn't need the money would put themselves in that position. But that's. So when you said hazing, you're absolutely right. They were not nice to doctor Nicole when she came on the show because Alexia and Marisol and I don't care how much money they have. They were very intimidated by her. They were jealous of her.
I thought the. Difference was Stephanie because she seems to have theoretically as much money as Doctor Nicole. She was a bit at least under control because she was Larsa's friend. So there wasn't as much of A
threat. So Alexia and, and even though they have their, their shoes, Alexia Marisol with Stephanie, at the end of the day, they, you know, they can keep her like calm in a sense, whereas Nicole was, from what I hear, wasn't having it. And they, I think that when you have a housewife who's going to like, try to challenge the status quo and the Ogs, they get really threatened by it. She definitely challenged Alexia. Dr. Nicole definitely challenged Alexia.
And I was. She needs that second of it, yeah. But that's the thing too, it's like if you realize if you really believe in like what's good for the show, you want to have different points of view to make it interesting, you have to like remove yourself. I think from I don't like this girl to like, but everyone, a lot of people do like her. She has fans. It's a different point of view. It adds drama to the show. Like this isn't best friend show. It's housewives. So right.
So like, they try to, it seems to me watching Miami and how they operate off camera, they try to play casting director and ice people out and get people in and it's like just sit back and be a housewife, you know, don't. Produce and know your role, Marisol acts. You know, off camera. I think when she does these podcasts and stuff, Marisol acts like she actually has something to do with the casting. Yeah. Well, I will she a friend of.
She is a friend of, but after the big bombshell that came at the end about the Hamptons trip, I went back and I rewatched that episode. I watched the couple episodes from Season 4, and that was Doctor Nicole's first season. And in the Hamptons, Marisol really started and I forgot, you know, because I hadn't seen it in a while. Marisol really started in on Doctor Nicole saying that I heard that you did this, I heard that you did that.
And really it comes down to is that Marisol is very close with production. Marisol is the one who moves the storyline along. Anna has said it, many people have said it who have worked on the show. Marisol and production are very tight. And Marisol did not want Doctor Nicole there because like you said, she was threatened by her. She's successful. She's independent and she's articulate. And she, she did whatever she had to do and she immediately
went after her. I mean, at the Hamptons house, she said to her, oh, let's play a game. Who at this table do you trust the least? Is that where that comes from? Yes, yes. OK, I've heard about that. OK. Yeah, Marisol said. We need to rewatch. That we shared. Yeah, yeah, you have to rewatch it. It's season 4 and we're watching it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's season 4 and she just starts out by stirring the pot and and trying to paint Doctor
Nicole in a bad light. And Doctor Nicole comes back with, well, you know, Alexia said the only reason you got married to Steve is so that you were relevant. And Alexia's like, I didn't say that to you. And she's like, now she's trying to come between me and Marisol. And we've been friends for 20 years, you know? And then, of course, then she has Alexia going after Doctor Nicole because she stood up for herself. So you'll see. Larsa gets in on it, too.
Larsa. Is it that season or the other season? Larsa says. I heard you slept at the whole hospital or something. Yeah. Larsa does. She said that. Yeah, she did A lot of people. Yeah. There's. A lot of ground to cover, you know, doctors, nurses, female, male. That's a lot of people, yeah. You know, all the franchises have have the similar problem where they're always trying to take down another housewife or another. And I know that's part of the
drama for some people. I just would prefer if every every time they just made themselves more interesting. Like don't just track the fact that you don't have anything going on other than the same old shit over and over and over again. Just get something new so we can focus on what makes you a good housewife and not what makes this other person necessarily an allegedly bad housewife or boring or whatever it's like. Right. Like bring something to the conversation, yeah.
Totally agree. And listen, Wendy and I have said it a million times, that's what Housewives was when it first started. It was just successful, you know, affluent women who were raising their families, some working, some not, some married, some not, but they were just women with wealth and we got to see their lives. Gina Keogh was married to an ex ballplayer raising 3 kids in Cotto de Casa and opened up her whole home to us, you know.
Meanwhile, her husband was an alcoholic their whole marriage and you know, got to learn that. But she was such a good housewife, Gina. That's what we like to say. I swear I think Tamara's the one who started this whole coming after the other housewives. But maybe I shouldn't put all the blame on her. I just remember, did you go to Bass Lake? Like, to me, that changed the whole game in Housewives. And we're still looking. We're still talking about it. Yes.
I didn't watch OC when we first started watching. He was like I like why don't we watch the OC? And he was like, he's like, I can't tell any of them apart. They all look exactly the same. I don't like anybody on the show. So we didn't start watching until Tamara came back. And the only reason is because we listened to two T's and when she's on her podcast she seems
very, very reasonable. But then when she gets on the show, she gets into on screen Tamra mode and it just gets a little wackadoo if you ask me. But. But yeah, we still defend it. It's funny you say that because Wendy and I think we agree on this. Tamra came on Season 3, you know, guns blazing, and by the time they got rid of her, I think it was time for her to take a break. I was not a fan of Tamra. By the time they got rid of her, I was happy to see her go.
However, then I started listening to two teas in a pot and I'm like, Oh my God, like this is like a different Tamara. Like I'm really enjoying her. Right. She's likable. Better back on the show and I'm like, Yep, same old Tamara. Yeah, they're just Tamara. Those lights must come on. And she just must just. Something happens in her brain and. I think that's what it is. So I think that's what it is. Yeah. Now she she thinks she's doing
her job, so you can't. You got to give her credit for being a good employee. Yes. She gets employee of the year. So basically the Julia and Gertie storyline is that Gertie is not going to accept the apology and she's not putting a Band-Aid on it. And I'm glad that she's not. I'm glad that she's not going to. Yeah, I'm glad that she's not. Apologies for the sake of apologizing. I get that they need to move on, but sometimes you can just tell.
It's like this is going to be brought up again 20 more times. Like I'd rather just sit with it and go through it then have to pretend we're over it just for it to come back three weeks from now and we gotta, you know, go through it all over again so. Or just say we'll try again at some point. We're not in the place to forgive. But, you know, we're open to trying again, right? That's honest, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So then we move on to Stephanie, and Andy starts out with
Stephanie flaunting her wealth. That was really the big storyline, the viewer said. Stephanie is plain focused. Emphasis on the plane. I like a good pun. And Stephanie's response is, I thought it was very odd. She's like, well, you know, like a football player when he wins the Super Bowl, like, he wears his rings because he's proud of what he's done, and I'm proud of what I've done. What I think we should all agree that housewives should never use
analogies, right? Because they are unsuccessful every time. Yeah. Every time. It's the the Jackie Accord. Yeah, it just it never lands. Yeah, that Jackie 1 was bad. No. No, this one wasn't great either. No, no, but I mean, I, I feel as though, like they obviously brought her on the show and said, you know, we need to give you a, a very digestible personality for the first few episodes. Like we need to give you a persona to follow.
And I think she's kind of being screwed by production in a sense that like they definitely amped up her wealth, told her to talk about it. I think that she could have in a instead of choosing that analogy, she could have said something, you know, much more diplomatic of like, look, you know, I, I was new, I was nervous. I just talked about my wealth a lot. But I enjoy my life, I have a great life and I want to express that on the show and you know, yadda, yadda, yadda.
And my business. But it gets a little tacky. You. Know, I don't know if you guys remember this, but do you remember when Dana Wilkie was on Beverly Hills that one season as Taylor? $25,000. Yes, and she got so much heat for that. And then Andy brought her out on the reunion and it was like a very honest moment. She was like, listen, I was very excited to be around you women and I knew how much you had and I, you know, wanted to fit in. Like it was such an honest moment.
Like if you didn't like her before, you had no choice but to like her after that. So I agree. I think if Stephanie kind of came in and was like, listen, I, you know, I was happy to be here and I, you know, I was a little nervous. It would have maybe landed a little bit better, but I got. Carried away. Yes, exactly. I got carried away. I think she's coming back. I don't think there's a question she's coming back. I think so too. Yes, yes. I like her, she said.
What she did learn from watching the show is that her tone comes across as harsh and that, you know, she attributes that to the fact that she works in a predominantly male field and that she can't be soft spoken and quiet. But she also learned that she can treat friends as transactional. And I think that that, you know, I think that's good insight for her. I think that, you know, she's excited for her sisters to actually watch the show because they will see that it's not just
them that don't like her. Her friends don't like her either because of the way she is. Like at least they'll, you know, see that this is just, it's who she's she is. It's not because of, you know. Right that there she's not not being personal to them, it's just this. Is right, it's just her personality. So we'll see how that goes.
I'm not catch when when Stephanie was talking about, you know, having to be powerful in a male dominated industry and Gertie was agreeing with her and basically said like, I feel the same way. Did you catch like Alexia and Marisol's reactions to that? No. Like they thought it was ridiculous that Gertie was like, I guess you know. Including herself. Marisol did have a weird. Julia, too, had a weird. You know, maybe it was Marisol and Julia. Maybe. That.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. And but that was also the moment when when Gertie was over on the other couch, just like kind of interjecting every uh huh. She was, she was, she was amening her a bit much. Yes, Yeah. It's not your segment anymore, Gertie. Yeah, let's. I know over time. And now I don't like when they do that. I really don't. Yeah. Like silently agree. Yes, just not just not just not
just not. Then a viewer asks that they don't believe that she met Masood at a basketball game, that she was hired by the ex-wife as an assistant. So she goes on to explain that she's never met Masood's ex-wife, that that is not true, that he was actually separated for eight years. And she said this on podcast. Like, this is something she's been saying throughout the season before, you know, she even met him. And then Adriana jumps in and says, until we were out to
lunch. And then you saw her. And she's like, yes, but I didn't meet her. So they were at a restaurant and she saw Masood's ex-wife. And she's like, I don't want her to see me. And even when she said that, I, I read online that people were still criticizing her saying, well, she should have. How do how would she know if she saw? Of course she's going to know what she looks like. I mean, are you? Guys, what she looks like. Right. And why would she go up to her?
She's never met her before. Why would she? Like they thought she should have went up. I'm like, no, why would you do that? I I don't think anything that she did about that whole situation was wrong. And I believe her. I believe that she's never. As well I hadn't heard that rumor that she worked for the ex-wife so that was all new to me. But if she said she didn't, then
she didn't. And I'm a. Standard how how many times there's just some little story some fan concoct somewhere out of circumstantial at best information that like turned it takes on a life of its own and it just like how is this taking on so much? It's so weird. But yeah, no, I totally believe her. I she has no no reason to lie.
She doesn't have any reason to lie and his children I'm sure are grown and maybe he had a very contentious divorce like I mentioned before, my girlfriend who went through a three-year divorce, like she can't wait until her youngest is 18. So it's like like. Yeah, dumb stop, man. Yeah. Good luck in the future. Maybe that's the kind of divorce he had where it was like our kids are grown. Like I'll see you at their weddings, when their kids are born, when they have birthday
parties. But we don't need to speak anymore. So why would she have to have a relationship with his ex-wife? And then on top of that, does his ex-wife really want to see his new wife? Like, oh, thanks for coming up to me at a restaurant. The highlight of my day, you know. Exactly right, yeah. Highlights. No, I know. So then Stephanie says the biggest surprise she took away from the season is how much I
love every single girl here. I didn't really think I was going to love them and I I thought that was sincere. Also I think because she was open that she didn't have friends before. That's true. It felt a little ass kissy to me, though, to the to the other
couch. It felt a little too much like, Oh, Alexi and Marisol and I are besties now, and as much as they went back and forth with her and I like that she still calls them out, you know, it seems, but I just felt it was a little too kiss assy on on that side of the couch.
But you're right. I, I forgot that she was very open about like, I don't really have friends, so it's nice to, you know, be part of a group and not necessarily be talking about my, my career all the time, you know, that sort of thing, which seemed to be the primary focus of hers. Yeah, I think we're getting to a point with Miami where the newcomers think they have to kiss the ring of Alexia, like on Jersey, where people for a long time there thought they had to
kiss Teresa's ring. I think that's where we're headed with Miami and it's not good. No, I agree. And and what's weird is that I don't think Alexia has the same. I mean, while she's they call her the Teresa clone, I don't think she has even half the personality Teresa had and that's saying a lot like. Nor the nor the fan support. I mean, you've never seen fan support like Teresa has had, right? So there's no, you know, she does not have that.
Yeah, so I'm just always confounded as to why everyone think Alexia walks on water like that. I'm just like, I don't, I don't understand it so. Yeah, how about when Lisa excused herself from the table with Larsa when they were at lunch and goes in the bathroom and calls Alexia and says she said that you guys don't like me. It's like, why are you calling Alexia? Not valid to the conversation you're having with Larsa. So next, Andy moves on to Lisa. Everyone knows Lisa lives in Lisa Land.
Have you listened to what Jody said about controlling the chaos in your life? And she's like, yeah, I have a therapist now. And that's been very helpful. Like, I didn't realize that. Like, I don't want everyone waiting on me. I didn't realize that I had such a problem with, like, calculating my time properly.
And I had mentioned to Kelly a couple episodes ago, she had said on a podcast that she's actually, she hired like a coach to help her be on time more because she, you know, it was a problem and she wants to address it. And I think, listen, I think that's growth. You know, I think she is trying. I think she is trying. And she also said, you know, compared to three years ago, you know, when she was first separated, like she's a totally different person. And IA 100% agree with that.
When that whole thing went down with Lenny, she was a mess because she wasn't used to being on her own. She she, she just was a mess. And now she reminds me of a little girl, Lisa. She just. Reminds me of a little girl. Right. Yeah, I think that she has no bad intentions, right? Because she's late. She's late because she's late. Like she's not late. She's not calculating, you know, It just seems like this is too. I am and better for worse.
That's it. That's that's a very good way to put it. She's not calculating and she does not have bad intentions. There's not malice in her like some of these housewives, right? And the fact that it's been brought to her attention and she's working on it and she's trying to do better, I think, you know, that speaks a lot for who she is, Andy. I'm wondering how we get a job as a time management coach. I know, right?
Crazy. It seems this is oddly specific, Like I'm sure just a life coach, but you know. Well, if you can have an accountability coach, yeah. Very true. It's probably the same. Are you on time for things? Is this something you want to look into? I'm actually on time. I'm pretty good. On We're good On Time. I hate being late. I don't like being late either. I get like I feel bad. I get like anxiety.
Yeah, no, I'm a nail biter. When you can tell when I've been late, it's by the lack of fingernails that I have. The lower they are, the more late I've been lately. I can't physically. Now I got to make sure I'm on time. All right, so Jody said Lisa says Co parenting is not going well with Lenny and we kind of move on from that. The next thing Andy brings up is Martina recently posted on Twitter surrogacy is just wrong.
Sometimes you can't have it all. And he asks Lisa what her thoughts are on that because both of her children were born via surrogate. And I think it's interesting that he did that because obviously his children were born via surrogate as well and he couldn't put it coming from him. So he had Lisa there to ask that question. I'm sorry, this was the second time I got annoyed by Andy because he should have made it. He should have. Yeah. I agree.
It was really quick, just like, you know, I don't agree with, you know, Yeah, yeah. OK, moving on. And then and also like he's, he's gotten, I think because of whatever it was the whole, you know, lawsuit or whatever the, the Leah, what's her face from New York? McSweeney. Thank you. Yeah, he's gotten so like, oh, that's an HR problem.
So he's gets really, really diplomatic in the largest air quotes you can imagine about like not wanting to be confrontational because he's, you know, I, you know, I'm, I'm in a position of power. So I can't really have an opinion about this. And it's like, no, I mean, I think where it's important have the opinion about it. I mean, this is very, very important to him and his, you know, his life and you know. And many other housewives have
used have had the surrogate. So, you know, it's just very offensive. And for just Julie to say like, I disagree and oh, OK, Well, thank you for saying that, Julia. I mean it's. Yeah, totally brushed over it. Totally brushed it all. And to put it all on Lisa, to have either to make it an issue or not was kind of not right of him either. I mean, I think he could have whatever she said, at least chimed in and said, you know, hey, I think it's screwed up
too. But maybe it's already obvious. I mean, maybe there's hours of Radio Andy where he's talked about it and he doesn't feel like he needs to go on the record anymore. But. I do think he brought it up at Watch What Happens Live with Julia. I do think that they discussed it on What Happens Live, but I don't know if he made it personal about himself. Like I just felt like he should have had a personal opinion on. Agreed. Yeah, I totally agree. And then he moves on to Julia.
We saw that you asked Derek to be the boy's godfather. Did you and Martina ask anyone to be the godmother? And she's like, well, not yet. And then he said, well, did you guys consider Adriana? And she's like, no, she was not considered. But I'm sorry, Adriana, you'd be the godmother of Basquiato. Please do not that. Was hysterical. That was so funny. We, we have two cats and we're always like, oh, you're a good little cat. Dad's like, no, we are cat owners. We, we have two pets.
They're not our children. They're not this. We get the people of their animals and we love ours, but we don't need a godparent. For our animals, we do. Not Oh my gosh, I am so glad to hear you say that because some of these cat owners are crazy and Kelly and I are not. We are not pet owners. We say we have children and that's enough. We have children. Like I'm sorry, that's enough. We're not pet owners. We don't get it. We do not get. It like we love our cats, but like there's a limit.
Right. And I'll tell you what, I would love a pet. I hear people talk about their vet bills. I'm like $3000 because your kid needs insulin. Like, Oh my God. Yeah, I could never. Yeah, we just came off the tail end of one of those bills. So our cat passed recently, but yeah. I'm. Sorry. Yeah, it's sad, but but we're good. We're in a good place now. Yeah, but yeah. And also, what show was it where she's dying? Her damn dog was at Atlanta where she was like. Kelly dying, Yeah.
Kelly, Yeah. Everyone get kidnapped. So he's easily identifiable. Yes, yes, that that's what that's. Craziness. So. But hey, not only is he pink, he has fake lashes. That dog is miserable. He's not going to get kidnapped. He's going to, God forbid, walk the wrong way because he can't see through the lashes and get. God, but yeah, know Adriana as godmother of those children. It was like a dagger to the heart.
So Andy brings up the first time we met Julia and Adriana were in 2021 when they got friend engaged, which also happens in the Hamptons by the way, in season 4. Because I saw that I was like, wait, what? Who? When they showed the clip, I had to shield my face. I was, I was just. That was the most cringe worthy moment and I can't, I cannot imagine watching it when it happened the first time. Oh my God. It's like worse than me you. Should watch that episode because Julia gets very, very
ill. She's hungover. She's hungover but she will not admit it. She won't admit it. And the night before is supposedly when the first intimate encounter happened. Yes yes. So Adriana brings up that she was upset that Alexia saw the boys before she did. Andy seems that Julia's close friendship with Marisol and Alexia is what catapulted the demise of her friendship with Adriana. I mean, I don't really think
that that's the case. I know that that's what Adriana is saying is because she got close to them. I think it's just Julia's behavior in general, like the fact that she wasn't there for her and that, you know, she didn't get to see the boys 1st. And but don't you think that's a result of her getting closer with Alexia Marisol? Don't you think that off camera in between seasons, Alexia Marisol probably reached out to Julia and we're like, listen,
we'd love to get together. I mean, it could be just started kind of pulling her in and. Pulling her in. And she's like, oh, the popular girls like me now. Exactly. She's got the pick me energy. Yeah, it definitely could be Heather of Salt Lake City. With Lisa Barlow. God, yes. I know we're. Going to need a whole another hour if we're going to start talking about that. Lisa was popular in high school and she's actually talking to me
right now. Do you not understand all of Salt Lake's obsession with being, like, besties with Lisa or Jen Shaw or whatever the case? I don't get it. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Crazy. So what do you think about the bombshell shell? So then Julia drops the bombshell that you know that her and Adriana slept together in the Hamptons. And do you think it's true?
So I had it ruined for me because I was an idiot who was scrolling on his phone a moment before in a commercial break and I was like, damn it. So I did not have it. But he he. Clutched his purse. Yeah. Big gay gasp. Yeah, yeah. You were like whoa, my God. I didn't see that coming at all, so kudos to her for that was a good bomb drop. I don't know if I believe it because I don't believe much that comes out of Julia's mouth. I couldn't tell by Adriana's reaction if I should believe it.
If she was, I don't know. I don't know. The only reason I believe it is from scenes from next week or clips that I've seen since Adriana's speaking very candidly. And I think she says something like that's not what started this. And then it could be magical editing where we're led to believe she's talking about some sort of intimate encounter.
But I I tend to believe that it happened, but I don't know that it maybe happened to the degree that Julie is making it out to be. Like maybe they made out a little bit, maybe a little bit of this or that, but like Julia really is over hyping it. I think that's my gut instinct on that. Yeah, Do you believe it? Thought my thought is if it happened in 2021, why is it all of a sudden a problem now in well when they were filming this in 2024 and now 2025? Like what's changed?
Like what's changed? Well, that's a good point. Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why all of a sudden like no if? That did happen, right? If that did happen, what what does that, what does that change? Because she's saying, like, what you don't know is that we slept together. OK, so you slept together. What does that have to do with what is going on right now between you 2? Right, because it seems like it seems like we slept together one time. Not that we've been having an ongoing affair, but she does.
Say in the relevant, right, right. How is it relevant? Like what does it have to do with what's going on right now? I just think it's deflection. Whether she slept with her or she didn't sleep with her, who cares? What does it have to do with what's going on right now? I mean, unless she's gonna spin some sort of jealousy narrative in the next episode that, you know, oh, you know, I didn't give any. I didn't spend more attention on you. And I started giving it to other people.
And you liked it when I, you know, flirted with you and gave you attention. And, you know, that's the only thing I could think that might make it relevant. But you're right. You're absolutely right, it isn't relevant. I hadn't thought about that until just now. That's a really good point. That just means. I told Wendy. I told Wendy last week. My third eye was open. I thought that that was what Julia was going to say. I really thought that that's what she was going to say.
I don't know if I believe it, though. I thought it. Was going to be something to do with like the boys or something. I didn't yeah, I did not see this coming. I think it she definitely got a moment from it, you know, so maybe this is yeah at they want a moment for themselves at the reunions. They're like ass back. So maybe that was her like,
boom, look, that's what I'm. Thinking, yeah, so, so now production will be like, well, you know, now we know this about them, so we have to see how they interact next season. Oh, see it play out. Yeah, with especially with Martina because and Wendy and I have said this before, like we really think Martina likes being on this show. We think Martinez really enjoying her spousal role in in Miami. Yeah, I agree with that.
She never seems to be like other like other other spouses seem to be like either begrudging 100% or they love the spotlight. She seems to just like be very casually there and just really at ease with being on camera, whereas if she didn't like it, it. Would show for sure. Yeah. And she would go along with whatever tale Julia's spinning. So then would they go to we see them in couples therapy next season? Oh, I hope not. That would be interesting.
Part of me does believe it though, because I think Julia is a very flirty person. I have no idea what goes on in their marriage, but I do believe the Captain Sandy story from that cruise. I do believe that she was trying to get Gertie not to come to wherever she was coming because she was going to. It was the Captain Sandy dinner. So she don't want a witness there. Yeah, so part of me does kind of believe that maybe she did have something with Adriana. I mean Adriana is very flirty
person too. Not that that means you would sleep with a married woman, but I'm just saying. Right. Maybe that's what Gertie, Gertie and Adriana were talking about. The details don't matter anymore. Maybe they were. All three of them know something about the Captain Sandy table. Right, right. Because yeah, like Adriana was like, you got to talk about the cruise and Courtney was like, no, it doesn't matter. And but Adriana was very adamant and like, come on, talk about the cruise.
I'll back you up. Don't you think that that because at some point Adriana hands Julia box, something in that box could have something to do with Captain Sandy Could? I don't know why, it's just so dumb in my head. I always just think there's a dead animal in it. The way the way the reaction is, when she looks at it, she's like. And it's a very ornate box. Yeah. It was a very pretty box. A dried squirrel or something that's I don't know why I'm so dumb. It seems like something bad,
like something bad in the box. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. Well, I mean, I guess they did their job. We want to know what happens in the next episode. And now they have a reason to have three reunion episodes out of a season that probably didn't need them. Yeah, that's gonna be a, that's gonna be a 2 Fer. Yeah. Aren't you surprised they dropped this in the first episode and did it? Not if there's not, if there's bigger stuff coming. That's true. That's true. I think that there's bigger
stuff coming. Yeah, the next episode could very well be like, did that really happen? And she's like, well, no. And then they just quickly move on from this and make a nothing burger out of it. And so it's like, I hope that's not the case. I hope there's some meat to this and there's some more discussion and it's not just some throwaway accusation or. Yeah, like Adriana's denying it and Julia saying it's true. Like, yeah, we need more than that.
Like, And then why, if she was gonna do this, why didn't she bring Martina on? Like, let's get Martina involved in this. Yeah, someone had to stay home with the boys. She's home with the boys by the way. What are your thoughts on this? People are like up in arms about the fact that they changed the boys names. Which is the guy also hadn't heard about until it got mentioned in relation. The reunion. The reunion, it's a little Yeah, I. White savory, is that what
you're trying to say? It does seem a little like we're to the rescue and we're going to, you know, erase your previous life. Right, right, right. Right, kind of, you know, and. This is who you're going to be going forward now. Right. And we're going to tell that to you and not let you be who you've been, you know, so. Well, I kind of want to know what their names were before this then. For sure, I know, but I don't think she said it was for
security reasons. She said it was for security. Reasons. But OK, that's bullshit. I think that's bullshit. I mean well if it's a closed adoption though. Right. If it's a closed adoption and you don't want anybody ever coming to find them. I mean, Martinez got a pretty famous last name. So if you know the boy's first name. Yeah, figure it out. I mean, if it is truly just quote UN quote a stage name, you know for the sake of the show, fine. But if they're but you're. Legally.
They legally. Change them and that seems really really. Because they're, they're like, not little babies. They've been known exactly. Names. I mean. For quite. Some time 3. Yeah, right. Little it's it's little sauce. It's sauce. Yeah, so.
That's the one thing I want to know more because I don't like Julia, but I do want to know about the whole thing with her daughters and, you know, the fallout and like, why they're so upset and because she really kind of just danced around and like, oh, these, you know, we have a falling out. I'm like, let's get more into that. Why were they so upset about this adoption? And totally agree. We need more on that. Yeah, that's the other thing that that comes out in Season 4
that I totally forgot about. So Julia mentions that, you know, she had lost a baby. So she has three children with three different fathers that she never married. So her two daughters. Oh, I didn't realize. That there's a third. That she lost. She lost. She lost. She had a baby that she lost because of the nanny. But all three of her children had different fathers, none of which she married. I didn't realize. I mean, I thought the 2 girls, the two.
She mentioned it on season. Yeah, she mentioned it on season 4. I was like, oh, I forgot that. Yeah. There's so much about Julia like below the surface. Yes, well, that's. What I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. I think that there's more. I mean, listen, she's a beautiful woman. She obviously was a model. And yeah, you know, I think that, you know, maybe there's some sort of trauma that came from her childhood over in Russia with, I don't know, You know, I think that you're right.
I think there's a lot about Julia what we don't know. Anger issues, Trauma makes sense too. Yeah, for sure. Not that I'm saying it'd be nice to for her to share some of that, but you know, again, getting to know her more, right, you know, at some level or another would be very interesting as opposed to, you know, mudslinging. It'd be real. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, your real reality. Because we say this all the time. Like, we don't treat our friends
like this. Yeah. Like, this is we had to take a dirt up on Wendy from when she was 19 years old. And you know this is not how women behave in friend groups. Yeah, I know. We ask ourselves that all the time. Like, do you have any friend in the world who would react like that or do this or do that? Hire API, yeah. Yes, exactly. You have the time. Or the money, if you're from New Jersey, you do not hire private investigators to look into anybody.
You just smile and wave and let them go on their business, go about their business. Well, that's our other thing is like there's so many Pete times on these shows where people it's like, what's it matter to you what this person did or did not do? And it's like, OK, so she that Adriana and Julianus Julia slept together. Who cares? Fine. Like what's it matter that that happened?
And so like, until you can bring it back around and give us a reason why we should really care other than like, OK, hot gossip, you know, then don't. So. The only thing is, is if unless Adriana was like, listen, Julia, if you're really, you're really going to be friends with Alexia and Marisol, now you're really going to do this and go down that road. I'll, I'll let it out that you and I had an affair while you were married to Martina.
Unless that's what happened. But it doesn't seem like that's what happened. No, it seems like there's something else that at the finale party that Adriana like kind of threatened. Like I could, I will take this to the grave, but I could say it. And so there's something beyond this sleeping together thing that she has on on Julia, which I hope she drops it. Yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Episode. So. We're going to have to wrap this. Up. Yes, yes, we did.
I know. Supposed to be 45 minutes. I know I've been, I've been watching Kelly the whole time, wondering does she get Nancy over there like it's well over 45 minutes. I knew it was going to go longer with four of us. Yeah, yeah. No, this has been wonderful. This is great. Yeah, this was a lot of fun. We'll definitely do this again.
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