End of the Couch (RHOC)

Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. I'm Scott and I'm Jack and we just watched episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County. Part 1 of the Season 19 reunion. Yes, I realize I should have. Usually I try to say that in my little intro, but I'm just not on my game today. Woom woom, it's been a long day. It's been it's been a long day. It's a long week. It has been and I'm I'm glad that it is over. Tomorrow's Friday when you get

to enjoy the weekend. By being busy and. Like, hey, we're in high demand. It's nice, nice to have friends that want to be around you. Yes. So it's a very good thing. Anything on the Bravo con front? We we got we got our day 2 and day three. So I've come to terms, you know, I've gone through the stages of grief with the Kyle and Eric of it all with the photo OPS, right? But yeah, we're we'll be fine. We also realize, so we have VIP, we might have mentioned that

we're not bragging. We just, you know, paid stupid money. So here we are with VIP. But a lot of people who are general admission really got screwed with photo OPS and didn't get any. So I feel bad the other day, like whining about like, oh, I didn't get so and so. But and also I have the opportunity to see people in the VIP lounge, which they don't. So it's the system is not. It's not perfect.

It's not perfect, but yes, we have basically our day one is Tamara and Katie back there, We'll see Ariana and Riley, and then day 2, Melissa and Joe, Gorga and Heather and Whitney. And then day three finally got Kyle with Kathy and Portia. Yeah, not Kyle's daughter. Daughter Portia. Portia. Portia Williams Yes, I am glad you could recount all that because if you had just put a gun to my head and asked me what are our photo OPS, I would have been like Kyle and Kathy. I would not have.

Been sitting here, Kathy Voice, yeah. I would have been, I don't know. So yeah, thank you for having a good memory. Yeah, it's 1/2 of a marriage needs to have one because I'm going to be getting gradually worse as we get older. Do some exercise, we both keys, I mean do some sudoku, I don't know so. You're always trying to get me to exercise. Just pick my brain or my body. Mind both. Both. I just want, I just want to free my mind. Well, the rest will follow.

Don't be so shallow. This is the color blind. Don't be so tough. Trust, I had that. I know that I know he knows. It all the time, the funky Divas. So yeah, so yes, we're think we're going to place, you know, it's we should remember the fun of it all. And, you know, even if people were in a Bravo con group and a lot of people are saying, you know, look, you may not have gotten any photo OPS or the ones you wanted, but there's so many opportunities even beyond the

VIP, right? Two people, the bizarre, you know, like just randomly just walking around. And really for people who aren't going to Bravo Con and feel like they're missing out, one, you kind of are. But two, at the end of the day, you're really, it's really, really not like. Especially when they're playing the panels on Peacock well. Yeah, but even there, when you're there, like the one thing that was really cool for me when we went last time was just like that.

The moment we're like, wow, that's actually them in real life. But then after seeing like your 8th or 9th Bravo liberty, you're like, oh, that that's them in real life. They're just people who happen to this is their job. You know, well, yeah, it's like when we ran into Angie and it's like, Oh yeah, it's Angie. She's running across the bizarre floor in her heels, you know? And she's like, oh, hi guys, so nice.

Got to fight in Angie. So no. So it's it's nice, it's nice to see them as regular people. It kind of does help in one regard when watching the show to realize like this is reality show. But at the same time, it does also kind of cement the fact that the show is produced and, you know, that they are just regular people and that, you know, the production puts them into these extraordinary circumstance and circumstances. So yeah, it's it's definitely Bravo Con's worth going.

But I I'm trying to remember that like just to stop and breathe. And in a group chat today, people were Eric was clearly drunk at the airport, but he was texting about my tattoo, which says there is time. And he's like, it's he's like I he's like, I use it all the time. Like I'd remind people all the time, there is time, don't worry about it. And. They're gonna make a comment about like he was at the airport and he was delayed or something.

No, but that's another thing we need to worry about with Bravo Con with their airports reducing their flights. But I imagine like that's going to fall eventually. You know, the airports need to tell that to the airlines and the airlines need to go ahead and figure out which flights they're cutting. So before we even get on the, you know, go to the airport, we should know what to. Expect for sure, yeah. We're not going to like walk in and be like, sorry, no, no, no tickets to Bravo Con.

Yes. So, yeah. And because we're not going to drive, well, we would if we had too old, but that's it's a long ass drive. And long ass, Yeah, I've done it once. Because we're not taking a new car. We would take, we would end up taking a new car. So. Anyway, but the reunion episode 1. I think it was a good start. Certain things amused me. Certain things frustrated me. You've come a long way on that already because you did not want

to watch this. Yeah. In the car, you're like, I don't even want to watch this. It's. Not like clips I'd seen earlier in the week. I was like, I feel like certain people were not going to take accountability. Certain people were going to skate by and others would be blamed for everything, you know? So far it seemed that's true, that Jen is just going to try and skate by in all of this.

I hope in the episode 2 when Matt comes out, he raring to go, that I hope that something sticks because she can't rely on this pretended amnesia, as Teddy would say about Erica. Right. Like you gotta, like you said, these things own up to it. I didn't call you a Connor as well. Actually, you did, Yeah. So everything just seems to be like, I don't remember. I don't remember, you know, it's just like bringing me. Like. Yeah, girl, who else she was to

bring into it? There was, I feel like there's a meeting to like, for sure, of course, among certain people, certain factions, because they were like really prepared to defend one another. Well, OK, I know we're jumping ahead, but when Gretchen comes out on stage finally, the amount of ass kissing that they were. God, you're so. You're so beautiful. Oh my, I can't believe it. Elsa, you could be a model. Yeah, I was just like it. Was a drag race, but. Oh, was it?

You look like Linda Vandalist. Oh, right. Yeah, it was just a little too like. Like like I love how you dress Heather Dubrow. You do not like how this tacky chick dress. You would never choose these things like. But I mean, stop it. She has this point of view and da da da da. I'm like, oh, whatever. Like I love it for you, right? Yeah, love this tacky shit for you. I mean, I did like the least in regard to the way Gretchen dresses Emily, which is like, I

find it entertaining. It's like, not the best compliment, but at least she's being real about. It I'm entertained by this, Yeah. House on the Prairie look you got going on. I'm entertained by this whole costume thing that you're doing so. Just like I'm entertained about Slade being on the board for the Liberace Foundation. Yeah, what's the absolute? She at least explained how it worked and Andy was like, okay. I think see some receipts about that. Yeah, that was, but also it's so

random. How can you lie about that? Right, so backing up, I did enjoy the way that Andy said hello to all the ladies was starting with the outside of the couch with Shannon. At the end of the cow. Right. And then and then moved over ignoring Katie and went to Heather and then moved over to who is next. Emily. Yeah, Emily and then over to Gina and then finally, and then I think before Jen, it was back to Katie. I was like, that's kind of shady, like just go with the

ends. But I guess it makes some. Sort of symmetry. And it's never like, you know, like boom boom, boom. It's like, no, it was so so it. Was just, it was just it was noticeable that like, OK, I'm just to ignore Katie even though she's on the other end of that couch, but they got her. To feel very, I don't know if it was a put on, I would hope not. He seemed to feel very warmly towards Katie. And, you know, when at the end of her segment when he said, you know, is there a way?

Is there a path forward? And she said, I hope so. And he's like, I hope so too because I think he realizes 1. And also he pointed out the audience supported her very much. So at the lie detector test for him to point that out, he says something. Yeah, I agree. So I understand that fans have a very strong point of view on. Her I'm I so the Katie of it

all, I dressed the same way. Like he he even went through and so far or they some went through and was saying like she said a lot in her confessionals, but she never really said things to the women. And it's like, I do wish that she would have been more. And even Katie was like, yeah, I wish I had been a little more vocal, too. But like, even in that moment, and I'm forgetting my point right now. He, you know, he seems to be giving her all the opportunities in the world, though.

Is there any way forward? She should have been like, don't ask me. Ask these crazy ladies. Right. I would have kept filming. Yeah, like it wasn't my choice. They pushed me out and so I didn't have anywhere to go. Yeah, literally, they told me. They told her that she could not go to Amsterdam. Yeah, you know, she shouldn't, could not go here and not go there. That would have been the time for her to be like, I would love to have been filming, but these

heifers. And with Yes and when Tamra did film with her, Emily like lost her mind. Like how dare you betray me? I bet she's pissed about that. With Tamara, I bet that's going to come out. I'm sure it will. The thing is, you know, yes, it's about them moving forward with her. She is willing. She was willing to come and like, you know, be thrown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm do. Right under that bus numerous. Times there's a dance on the hot coals. But like, I don't think she was

running away. Could she have handled things differently? For sure. And she's. Not a rookie mistakes for first and second season. And I think she's, you know, apologized for it. I don't think she was malicious in it. I don't understand Emily's point of view of like, have the ball say it to my face. I mean, what are you trying to say?

I mean, she's trying to say that she exactly what Emily did say is that she felt that Katie was using all these bloggers, for lack of better term, to fight her battles, which I don't think that's what was happening. I mean, unless, unless Katie really thought she was going to be slick about it and be like, you know, I'm just putting this out there and then we can talk about it. And I then I don't get the blood on my hands, which could be. I think like, let's go back.

I think Katie, she messed up with the whole Heather thing and like, hang your hat on that and the paparazzi stuff. And from then on, people weren't trusting of her. And then so she was like, well, these bloggers, they want to be my friend. They want to talk to me. They care about my point of view. And then she you know, or like, I'm just being gossipy about the whole Emily Heather babysitting debacle. So, you know, I'm just going to go with that.

I don't think it was I want to get at Emily for because trust she had reasons to get at Emily after that reunion thing, which Emily, yes, apologized for last year's reunion. But really it was like, but I was trying to prove this. It doesn't matter what you were trying to prove.

You were focusing on the fact that this woman was in a homeless shelter because that's the only place she had to go to and that she lost physical and legal custody of her kids, which is a very embarrassing, horrible time in her life to prove a point. What? There's no point worth that. If we're saying kids are off limits, don't talk about my kids. Don't talk about her kids being away from their mother.

Yeah, and she's trying, Emily was trying to make the differentiation that like, you know your kids, I wasn't know what your kids are talking about you and like your circumstances. It's like, yeah, but that is directly wrapped in and what happened to her kids. Subsex is I'm a bad mother except right happen. And then ultimately see, I think had if Katie had come with the energy of like, why do I have to prove myself to you? Like with so many things, I think that would have been. Right.

It's the final line between like taking accountability and apologizing, but also being I'm not a doormat. I'm not going to sit here and let you like. And Emily so fucking condescending, like just so condescending with like, well, Katie, if you had done this. Well, Emily, if you had done that, yeah, yeah, like, it's. And for you to be surprised that people would think that you rigged the test. Look at your behavior, right? Look at your choices. Of course.

Look at how you were cackling with Gina about like we're going to get her like you wanted to out this girl. You do not like this girl for whatever reason, and it's bad optics. And yes, she might have lied about things. Yes, she might have been shady talking to bloggers, but you are being a straight up asshole and the way you handled and reacted to her shows a lot about you and your character Emily and like just the meaningless woman and

making her feel like shit. And the audience isn't buying it and they're turning on you, right? So realize that and take accountability for that and look at your action and yourself in the mirror. And to think that we reached out to Emily's people to try to get her on this nest. My how quickly things change. Invitation rescinded. No, we'll still have any housewife on here except Teresa. I will talk to Teresa.

I would, I would talk. To we have to have a moment, if it happens, to take a picture of Teresa for our friend Tony. Yes, if we can you. Can't be there. We will be his surrogates and like, we will be like our friend Tony loved you gonna get a picture. You might even like maybe FaceTime him. Oh God, maybe. Maybe I would, Emily. Rod up. Sorry. You did. You did. You need some water? Yeah.

I think Katie's trying. And I think that's the problem is the first half the season, Katie came in trying to be humble and trying to not throw herself at the women's mercy, but just to be like, I know I screwed up. And I think that went so far. Only so far. And I think had she switched gears and been more assertive and more insistent instead of just saying, like, throwing her hands up and like, well, I can't convince you guys.

And I think that's kind of what's going on in this first episode of the reunion is she's just being like, you're right, you know, But she's not standing up for herself as far as I think. She went back at Emily when she like brought Jen, tried to hold her feet to the fire. I think it'll be much more interaction next episode. I think she'll definitely come and Gretchen be like, no, you said these things. I think Matt will be there.

That's why Matt's there to say no Slade, I have proof of everything you know, the Slade has said to me about, you know, 2 on the line, this whole thing. Correction. Hearing her well, we checked our phone records. It's like. I spent thousands of dollars on the cyber. So I kind of First off, my note, Shannon needs to her hairline and her makeup needs to be blended better. I used to. Start with the positives. I used to date a girl who didn't ever blended in her makeup around her chin line.

Like her cheeks and everything. It was awful. It was awful. Let's start with I used to date a girl. But no, so I've always been really sensitive to it and the fact that like we would always I wouldn't, but a lot of our mutual friends whenever like she would walk in the room and you she had like a visible line. They would just we'd started doing doing this, rubbing our cheeks like this. Like look at her chin line. You know you were 422, No 20. One say like 12 Oh.

No, no, no, like. You're dating girls at 22. I came out when I was 22, so I dated her probably up until I was maybe 20, maybe a little bit until I was 21. I gotta say, aside from 2 prom dates, everyone I've dated girl. Well, this is the girl that when we were 20, we weren't yet legal. We went to Reno and we got a room with a silver legacy, and she was thinking, all right. Right, right, right, right. We're.

Gonna get lucky. And then we had we had champagne brought to the room and I had to pretend to be sick so I wouldn't have to have sex with her. It was fantastic. Stay true to yourselves everyone. Live your most authentic life. How we missed national coming out. There it's sometime in October. So yeah, I think we did. So, Shannon, look. Let's start with the positive. Shannon's very, very beautiful. Like she like she is. Yeah. That is not a flattering hairstyle.

It's the hairstyle you wear when you're putting on your makeup to get your hair out of your way. Right. And then you leave it and you're like, oh, this is a little like toddler. Yeah. I think someone said this is like going to Sunday school. Yeah, it's a little bit. It's just, it's just not. I don't understand why she would do that and what hair person thought that was a good idea? Yeah. And then I also feel like they could have, and I'm trying to

walk delicately here. I think they could have done something better about her nose, like the makeup around her nose. It was very shadowy. It just yeah, what she was because she was mainly in profile, right? And knowing that, I think that they could have done something to soften that. And maybe they did. I mean, maybe this is the best they could have done, but it was like, oh. OK.

And compared to last year, which I didn't love that dress, but it was a much better dress and the hair was much better and it felt like it was just a better moment than what she's serving here. Right. I mean, if she is making the transition into being daughtery old being like I'm kooky and I can't do things, you know, And then she's she's succeeding. It's just she likes that 60 silhouette. Like someone told her one day that that was good and she just like. Went with it.

Or but quickly going through. Yeah. Don't love Shannon's look? Oh, but before we get off, Shannon. Oh, I was going to say something. Oh, never mind. I can't remember what it was. Go ahead. Oh, I'm sorry. No, it's fine. It'll if we have plenty of time. Yes. So we're going through our looks. Yes, Don't love Shannon, Emily, the hair is too heavy. Oh, way too heavy. I like the dress. I like that gold thing on the dress and the hair is too heavy.

Like she's just worn her like her natural hair. Her natural hair, like what she had in all her Yeah, in the Wife Swap, her hair was perfect. Yes, or even like her confessional hair, the extensions that don't look like extensions, right? Understand what? She's it's just made it look like too Jessica Rabbity, like it was like too. Pageanty. Yeah, like it like her head and with the hair especially just fills the entire. Frame. It was like old school, like 1980s Alabama, like pageant

queen. Yeah, I can say. She needed like a little tiny crown that you need to put pins in. I think it's unfortunate that they never showed any of the really standing up. Like they were all just sitting down from the beginning. Like they got up here and there, but like we never really got to see many of them moving. Whereas like, you know, all the other reunions we've had lately, everyone's like backstage coming to this stage. Right. Oh yeah, Miami. They were like doing jumping

jacks. So not being able to see, only seeing them sitting on the couch was a little bit much. Because Heather Dubrow and her $49.00 Amazon dress. For a little plain Jane, that is not a reading dress. When she started complaining about it being hot, I wanted to be like, it's probably all that polyester you're wearing, lady so. Is anyone else hot? No, we're wearing expensive fabrics. Right, We're wearing stuff that breathes so, but. Think about that next time. Bro, I like the shoes.

She's like, am I the only one with, you know, hot flashes? Like I guess so. You're gonna get into Beverly Hills and that dress girl. Yeah, and then Gina, who I thought looked amazing in the photos we saw, looked rather. Plain sitting there standing up. I agree, yes, very much so. Terra Rose is just fine. I like the colour, which is fine. And then Jen is just safe, right? Her slips were very shiny. Very, very. Yeah. You can see your reflection for her lips, very shiny Katie's.

Katie's dress. Freaking smoke show. Like just gorgeous upon gorgeous. I can't wait to see her in person because I know I'm going to be blown away how pretty she is. I was just amazed. Like from head to toe, like it's just amazing. Yeah. And then when they bring, when they bring out Gretchen and everyone's like, oh, she's wearing pink. Oh, she and Tamara are wearing pink. Do you notice that? It's like, yeah, like you said,

there's a color. Theme you know it was also wearing pink Katie yeah I think he would ignore her Emily, but Shannon but she exists them. Yeah, I do have to say that having Heather and Gina wearing similar tones right next to each other makes it a little, like, uninteresting to watch. We'll also see like the whole red couch until Gretchen gets out there, right? Why do they not mix up the

colours? Yeah, like we're finally going for the theme, but we're not positioning people in the right way, right, To like, really showcase the theme well. Right. And of course the theme, which we didn't realize cuz one Andy didn't tell us like he does all the time. Amsterdam that's we're in. Amsterdam, yeah. I was like, why is this? Oh, we're in Amsterdam, Yeah. Yeah.

So maybe that means there's really lots of stuff to cover that we're not getting this fillard of like notice ladies, we're in Amsterdam, right, You know, So that'll be good. Yes. So we're done. I was talking about Shannon. Shannon I. I'm wondering if, I mean, I don't, is she giving up? Is she just like, oh whatever, this is who I am? She's not giving up. I will say. Everyone's gonna say she's being a mean girl, but I. I'm. I'm a horrible person. I'm sorry. I'm living for Tamara.

Just being like, shut up. I was going to say as well also because it's just, it's so like Shannon doesn't know what to do with it. She's like, what? You can't talk to me like that? And it's like what? I am talking to you like that. There's no director saying cut, I can't talk to her like that and just let it go. And like Tamara's mocking her, which it's not fun. She doesn't need to do that. So I'm going to shut up and being like, you're at the end of the couch, stay there like.

Yeah, it's. So petty and so small, and I like it. Yeah, people aren't aren't going to be very nice to Tam. Oh. No, it's fine. So it's fine. Came for Queen Shannon. Queen of what's not Sheba? I mean, Shannon explained. I mean, I thought it was good and I thought it was a stick where Tamara said, well, you recorded someone too. And. Tamara and Shannon's like, we're not going to talk.

It's like, first of all, Tamara, someone took some good notes for her because she was ready back in 20 and 15. He told Bronwyn, Bronwyn of all people, that you had alcoholism in your family. And Shannon was like, I don't know what to do with that, but it's. I wonder if Teddy Walters did some research for her and. I think it's more to say like just Tamara's assistant.

No, probably like. Look to the archives AKA Peacock or just when I read it and like file or googled what's an instance When Shannon wrote and the whole thing she recorded Vicki because she wasn't know she was going to be safe with her boyfriend. I was like. Oh, and then I deleted it. I mean, I see that's the sort of explanation though you need to have where it just like this is what happened. This is what I'm telling you and

done. And like, I'm not going to justify it with any more explanation. Done. Because the whole like it gets so murky with like Katie recording Shannon and and did Gretchen. Sorry, I did Alexis hearing it's just so muddy. It's very, very. Well, and again, it's this bullshit of Jen not acknowledging that. She has pretend them. It's so irritating. I don't know you're talking about you're bringing me into this me. She was like a man, like she clutched her pearls.

And I'm like, you can't afford any. No, stop. Sorry, I'm horrible. I'm horrible tonight. Next next week though. Next week, I think we're running Jensen. You're right, Jens, get some more. Holding our feet to the fire. Yeah, hopefully. She's kind of Teflon this season because she was erring on the side of I'm holding, and rightfully so, sometimes holding Tamara to the fire and like, no, you said these horrible things,

do better. The thing is about this, and I'm of course very team Tamra. Yes, you need to do better. You're acknowledging the problem, but now you need to fix the problem. So when we talk about therapy, it's still a process to say that it's still a process. I'm going to slide back. I'm sorry. I will apologize when I go off the rails, but you just can't be like I'm, I'm doing it. It's like you gotta make some

headway. Well, I mean, that's what Andy was talking about when it's like, you know. Proving my point over again. What I wasn't liking about Tamra in this particular instance is that she kept doing this, well, like, like, name it. She was like doing. She was. She was like, well, like, what did I say? And it's like, First off, I am just driven nuts by people who expect me to have to have encyclopedic knowledge of your behavior. Yeah. It's not my job to remember

everything You did. If you did something that pissed me off, I can tell you a couple things, but it's not up to me to like, prove to you you've been an ass, right? And I guess. That was not good. Yeah, no. It wasn't. And so that was bothering me that she like what? And she did it multiple times and it's like she even did it to Andy and it's like. Like what? Give me an. Example, it's like, girl, I could, I could have production do that for you. You want to wait. Or tape.

Yeah, it's like that's what he should have done. Is like, let's take a break and then we'll come back and then I'll tell you what it's. In footage. So. Cameras best of yeah. A little bit much. And then even he, you know, was like, well, you just proved our points. Like you just slung mud right over there after saying like, you don't sling old mud, right? You're not. The thing is, yeah. You can't combat Gretchen slinging old mud by slinging your own old mud.

You have to be like, why are you doing this Gretchen, It was 18 years ago. And leave it at that. Don't say, don't go tit for tat with her. I was very pleased. When the question was asked, how does what Gretchen Tamara said about Slade, how did that prevent from getting a job? And again, that's one of those frustrating reunion questions that doesn't ever really get answered. Like Gretchen was just kind of

like shrugged it off. But she's made such a huge deal about that's Tamara's the reason. And I'm just like, oh, see, that's the sort of thing I want. I want them to just release all the footage so I can see them arguing or maybe they get into it so that way we can see what the real like is. No one in their right mind can say that Tamara Judge prevented Slade from having a job and when she made the point. Was it?

It wasn't because he got arrested, which I don't even recall that 'cause I don't write tabs on Slate smiley, but also same Slate. Smiley. Like must we guy? Smiley. It just writes itself. The the the nickname, yeah. And see there see. Tamara would have been better off just by not even bringing that up because it just seems so

petty. And you know, it's I'm starting to feel like I don't know, 5050 on this Gretchen or Shannon keeps accusing Gretchen of like plotting all these things to like coming in hot on the season, which I just firmly believe Gretchen did come in. Yes, yes, but for sure. And more and more, it's like it seems Tamara was ready to address it and was going to do it whether Gretchen did it or not. But it was reactionary it. Wasn't, you know, it wasn't at that hot pot meal, It wasn't.

Gretchen sat down. Tamara said. You right. Right, tried to get my. Daughter turned against me and da da da da like she it just so had Gretchen come. In clean, that's what. Everyone has said about Gretchen, you had the audience, God knows why the audience support behind you because people hate Tamara and they wanted to know against her whatever. And instead of, like, just standing there and letting Tamara, you know, tie her own rope. Right you that you came.

Up with all this old shit that no one cares about and you just made it seem that you were stuck in the past and you were coming for her. Yeah. You know when you say things like I. There's so many things I can say about you, but I've kept my mouth shut. OK, one, you haven't kept your mouth shut 2 elaborate, please. Right. So they both proved their own points about how they, you know,

aren't willing to move forward. But I honestly do think that they had Gretchen just stuck with what happened to the beach. You know, we're going to move forward. We're only going to be besties where it's going to like just try to be fine and coexist. But she slid back very easily. As much as she says like, I didn't have that intention. Perhaps you didn't, but you had that in your pocket, ready to throw out the fact that she allegedly slept with that dude

in the studio. And then Slade just was ready to go too. You both are sitting on ready to attack Tamara. So you you're you're equally guilty. I like how Gretchen was. Was like, I didn't mean to do that. And then Heather was quickly quick to be like, no, no, that was. And then Tamara was like, the hell it wasn't. Yeah, the bullshit, but. See, I would have. I would have.

Again, I think Tamara would have been better off not having brought up. She did that 12 years ago at Vicky's or during that one party or whatever. If she kissed, there's so many things she could have pointed towards of like, and maybe she didn't analyze it the way that the rest of us have, but like she could have really pointed towards the fact that you brought this up and then, you know, Slade was so willing to jump on it with you.

And like it seemed to be, she could have said like, let's watch the. Entire season and see how many times you bring up things. Let's go to that one professional when you have a list ready. Yeah, like no one said, please make a list. You had that ready, like from Got years ago, right? Right. All the things that Tamra has done that makes you a better person than her? I don't know. I think a producer does. That a producer. May have asked her. Could you make a list? No, they were like.

No, she was sitting on Ready. She enslaved me and sitting on Ready. And yeah, yeah, I. It's not a good, not a good. It's not a good luck. We skipped over Katie and Gina kind of talking about stuff. I like that, Gina. Realized I'm not going to go down this road of trying to prove I'm not a racist. I just need to say if I was problematic, I'm sorry that made

you feel that. Although I think it was funny when she said I'm sorry I triggered A trauma and she was like, you didn't trigger a trauma. You're not that important, you know you. Just I thought it was. Problematic. There's problematic and there's trauma. You were just problematic and you made me feel a certain kind of way. I wish you'd gone into more detail about the fact that they were just because it was YSL or

whoever. It's the person who's currently the creative director for that line. It's all connected that she was wearing Asian connected designs, Right, Right. So, yeah, yeah. But. Right, but Gina was very quick to fall on that sword, and it's good for her. No, I think so. You would have looked. Like a problematic white woman. Had you not, although she did the? Thing that I hate the most, which is iffing an apology right, it's just been.

Like I was, but I don't think she thinks she's wrong. And I think Emily is saying to her, you weren't wrong. You weren't. And I like the that even Katie said I'm not calling you the R word, which I was. I was like the. R word like the one that we're not supposed to say no, the other one? Oh, the other one. Yes, I'm not trying to say.

That and she's like I'm yeah they both were very clear in their attention so I don't I mean the apology was might have just been said to be said yeah but at. Least she said it. And she was smart to do that, Yeah, but. Again, Tamara was apologizing to about things. I'm sorry that I said that. And it doesn't mean a lot of this crap doesn't mean stuff. It's, well, even the Emily. Was like, I'm sorry if I, you know, made you feel certain in that way.

So I'm looking forward to more of like Tamara versus Emily like that. Little moment. In the preview she talks about You're not on my show and. You're on my network, Yeah, or whatever. Yeah, you are. Because when you weren't with tanked. And Legally Blonde is on their. Network, it's under their umbrella. We look ahead, We look for now I. Think that'd be very petty? If she kicked her off the

network, I mean that. Unnecessary, but I wonder if that's also why like that was the weak moment too, was when Tamara started to come for Emily, like tried to make a thing between Emily in this episode and didn't really materialize because Tamara couldn't think of exactly what Emily had said throughout the season. More so like you were shady and you're. Confessional. Oh yeah, that's what we're.

All supposed to be. But yeah, I mean, we, we noticed it that Emily was definitely like being buddy buddy with Gretchen and and Heather and like saying some really, I think bold things about Tamra and like Tamra not being a good friend, not beyond the whole. I don't trust her. There was other things that she said which I thought was surprising because I thought because of their connection with the podcast and I've been pointing it out. Yeah. That that was strange.

So. It's, it'll be interesting to hear what's come of that. It's also interesting because, and I don't know, maybe it's because it's part of the season or whatever, but that's the sort of thing that you'd expect to have heard on 2TS and we haven't, well, because Tamara doesn't. Talk about the show, about anything with OC. That's true. Yeah. Just to remove any questions about it. Yeah, I think it will be up to. Teddy and Erica to speculate what that was about.

We should. Ask them to speculate. Yes, I. Would I'd like to know more. About that, just because it was weird, especially it was weird that Emily was filling in so much on the two TS and then just did not. So it's like, well, and no, she doesn't. Fill down for two on two TS and quite some time. I know, but that's what I mean. Is like they. Well, because, but no. But she branched. Off like they were, she was very much in the family, like she and Teddy had that pop culture show

right? That went away and then they kept her on with legally brunette. So she's very much still a part for now of the I'm just saying, I'm saying. You're saying that things went away. I'm just saying, well, remember, they went away for a reason, that's all. Oh, no, I don't think so. I. Mean the pop culture show is kind of wack. It was. I didn't enjoy it very.

Much it works better to have. Teddy and they found the right mix with Teddy and Erica. They tried with Teddy and Alexia and they tried with Teddy and Emily. I think it just worked. Teddy and Eric, because they're actually friends. Yeah. So I forgot about Alexia. She always sounded like she's in the middle of a Oh my gosh tunnel. On those OC recaps when she was just like, it wasn't good. No, it was not. It was not.

Good. So sorry we really derailed into two teas in the pod, iHeartRadio and discover prior audition for iheart. I mean, we'd be so. Lucky, you know, we're the 199th ranked after show podcast in the in the US Give us a chance I mean. Come on if. Only we can get our damn theme song cleared. I mean hope. I hope we don't wake up if I wake up tomorrow. I'm going to have a problem with Spotify.

It's been an issue where? You know, even though we bought rights to our theme song that it's been pulled by Spotify for like rights via leave. Episodes. Yeah it's 4 episodes now and if it happens for 1/5 and I've already reached out to them and they're like nothing you can do except keep appealing and I'm like well you expect me to appeal every episode? It's so ridiculous. Hello and how? The rights I don't know, I. Did I listened? I know. I wanted. To know the rest.

So I bought the rights. It was how? Bizarre. So God, yeah, I mean, we might be finding a new podcast host or provider or whatever because Spotify is driving me nuts because it's also all of these damn platforms all exist in the in the ether. Like you can't talk to anyone real. And even when you talk to someone real, I'm like, there's 99% chance this is an AI chat, told AI. What do you need? Yeah, I'm like, oh, cannot. No, it's not. Angie, I am an upstanding.

Oh my God, I got to be I. Am a pillar of the community, yeah, so got to meet that. Anyway, did we get all the women? I feel like we missed. Certain things I mean, Heather really didn't have. Anything. Jen didn't have anything. Jen just sat there. Yeah, they talked about the kids. Everyone did. Oh, Emily's whole. Thing. Oh yeah, that was I didn't quite totally. I'll stem from strep. Yeah, I looked at it.

But I think it's, I want to say it's funny, but the fact that there's a syndrome called PANDAS, I looked it up, It's some neurological syndrome that comes about from strep or a pneumococcal infection that is such a dark. Like roads, yeah, that's a go down, but I mean reading. Through the brief memo moments I did while we're watching the show. I mean, it does describe everything. She's describing that like, you know, he was doing well and suddenly not and then very

sudden, yeah. Yeah, so interesting. And it's, it's scary for sure, for sure. But they talked about, they did the packet about everyone's kids, including Jen Greens. Yeah. And then that led into. Tamara and Sydney I would not

have. Brought that up because Cindy doesn't like her to talk about her on her show I would have said you know what we yes we recently reconnected and it was great and not go into details right You know because she's brought talked about this on the show on on on 2TS and I'm like I just I would cherish these moments that you're making some headway and just not discuss it so you continue to make headway I I kind of want. Brittany's daughter to meet Sydney Brittany. Yeah, and then they can.

They can come on the show together and then like read their moms for filth be great. That's like a a. A Bad Girls Trip mother daughter edition That's oh, that'd be kind of cute. Though except Gia and Teresa would be on it. No way. No way around. Yeah, when Kim and. Ariana. Oh, that'd be cute, yeah. Be fun. Yeah. Hey, Bravo. Are you listening? No, they're not listening. That's the problem. I know, bravo. Why? Not bravo. Can you hear me, BB? Can you hear me? You're funny.

All right, so then I think we've gone through everybody. I feel like I. Always feel like we're forgetting. Something we need to find a better way. Really. Do you much except? I'm quippy, that's what she does. I'm in a cheap. Dress and I'm quippy, you said she was starting to look a little. Witchy not on camera. Well, you did. It was the. It's the. The hair color, it's the, it's the angle I think as well it was. A little heavy on the. Yeah, it's the, it's the angle.

Because they're shooting her like straight on camera. It's not like I threw you under the bus. I just threw you at the bus. God. But yeah, we we got to find a better way to end our podcast because I feel like I'm like, not you. I think you're spectacular with it. I always feel like we're missing something. And so I drag it on like a bad SNL skit. I'm just like, let's keep going. Well, there's certain things. Yeah, like we. Like after it's like we didn't

let's talk about this. But you know, I think we got basically let's go down the list, let's to semi. OK, we got through, you know, Katie interviews with everybody, specifically Emily, you know, the the polygraph, Jen denying everything. Oh yeah, the polygraph I think. Was a bunch of bullshit that they didn't like lean into it harder that like 1 like that. Those two people, even though Andy was like they're the only ones that will be like on TV.

They're very unprofessional, those people, right? Yes, and that. Like, I think Katie could have stood up and said more and they could have made a much bigger deal over the fact that, like, So what if she failed? Like other people failed questions and, you know, like they never brought up. Yeah. Exactly about Heather in Beverly Hills and like they just made this. Huge deal over how Katie failed everything and it's like so the IT was very pointed.

Yeah, that they were like we this is all just other everyone else just window dressing. The main event is to take down Katie, right? Right. You know. Oh, they didn't know. The questions ahead of time, it's like, yeah, but you could have just said anything that Katie says she lied about. Yeah, you know, it was so. And it's like I didn't need to take a. Do a take a test as you were lying well, but you made this whole song and dance Emily right? But you did.

You had it anyway. Bugs. Bugs. Bugs. I still like her for some. Reason I don't know why I just do no I. Just do. Nope, she's lost my. Trust SO. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the Katie of it all. We've got the Emily of it all. Shannon was just told to shut up many times. She cries like I'm going to cry this one time. Holding you to that Shannon, holding you to that Tamara. That was sweet, what she said about her father. Though oh for sure for.

Sure, although I mean. I don't know, I I does she have siblings? I don't know. She might you should have because she remember that. She was saying they had to act on a normal family thing even though their mom was about to file the papers. So so that's. Sure, they love to hear the fact that their father only lives to see Shannon. Also, the part of it like, that's such a drama. Like Sophie. But like. Also, it could be like, like, couldn't that just be hyperbole?

Like Jeff, I'd I'd live to see you. Like I'd live to come home. And well, also to your smiling. Face, it's the same. It's like I'll. Take a lie detector test. It's just the same whenever he said you brought it up like, yeah, you. Know as you know, Katie. Said I think I'll wear pink today. Well, that started the theme that we all do it. And Katie said she's going to wear pink and here we are. Yeah. Like weak sauce. Weak sauce. No, I'm not denying that way Shannon is saying is valid.

I think just the way she says it. Oh yeah, Her dramatics and her, you know, frustrations and you I no for a fact. I don't know for a fact, but I feel it in my gut that Shannon went to production because I can see her being a person who goes to production and says I don't feel comfortable with Katie. I don't want her to be on the show anymore. Not that she was going to get her kicked off, but I think it she thought voicing her opinion,

it's going to move something. It's going to shift something and rallying the other girls. Obviously it it did something because we didn't see Katie for the back half of the season, as Annie pointed out. So you do have, you do have strength if you say it enough times and if you get enough people to do it. Because obviously production isn't making you film with this girl and work it out because this is the show we got. Yeah, so.

I wish the. Other thing that they would have said, you know, people really rallied behind Katie and women. How do you people, how people didn't rally behind you and thought that you were being really horrible towards Katie? Yeah, because that's the one does not exist without the other, right, Right. So oh. God well. You don't need to go through the rest of the women. I think we've covered it all. Yeah. I mean, like Gina. Like she. Didn't really.

I'm sure she'll get out with Travis Vidal next episode. Heather and her acting stuff and and the direction is she we talked about. Yeah, we've talked about her. But we'll talk about her more next week, I'm sure, and the week after. So until next time, well, next time.