Welcome to another episode of Husbands Watching Housewives. I'm Scott, I'm Jeff, and we just watched an episode of The Real Housewives of Orange County. We sure did. Or in urn Vine, Oh. Well, that's. Orange. It's Urn County. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm a big movie theater dork. Like, that's my other thing. Stay tuned. I'm gonna have a whole podcast about our cinema tour. It's free.
But I noticed one of the establishing shots that they showed the Irvine Spectrum, and I know for a fact that that theater's been remodeled and does not say Edward Cinema's onto the back of it anymore. So I was like, wait a minute, this is old footage. Well, because the building, said Edwards. But the sign said Spectrum.
Well, no, because that's where it's located, but the it's Regal Cinemas, so they put a whole Regal sign on it now it's no longer, says Edwards. So just it has to be old footage, but I'm just a big dork that way. So before we get on to the show, how are you? What's new with you? Anything going on? But not really just like work and stuff. I'm glad that the week is coming to a close. We have like brunch with friends this weekend.
Yeah. Not really just it's been a slow week at work, but it will that will change as we get to the end of the month, which I'm kind of glad September is over because I'm just kind of so. Rash, we wake you up when September ends. No, but there's this great Barry Manilow song called When October Goes. I just love. I don't think I know that song. Yeah, it's like, I don't think he released it. And there was like, more so in the 80s after, you know, he wasn't like, as big. Oh, OK.
But it's a great song. It's beautiful, yeah. It's I something I don't envy you about your job is that you have one of those jobs that like is dependent upon the time of the month. Like you have the first the month is busy. The end of the month is busy. I even though I work for the accounting department, like I don't really have that schedule. So like I'm not used to this. And also because I work for an accounting department where we like are closing the books everything like right now I'm
working what's today, the 25th. So like right now is our end of the month for inventory, but like I really won't be doing anything until the middle of next month. So it's just really weird. So yeah, I've, I've always been because coming from movie theaters where like every week was the same thing over and over again, it's weird to go to a monthly thing. And then, yeah, I just, I don't have that mentality of like, oh, the first month would be busy.
Yeah, it's certain things like kick in and like, you know, certain times of a year, like, Oh my God, you know, invoice this person for the whole year when they have all these locations and like, right. And then until I forget because which I did like, oh crap, let's do that in July and now it's September, but whatever, it'll figure itself out. Well, no one knew about that until you No one found out, right? And you still got the money.
Well, I was saying to my Co worker, I'm like I because they've been slow of getting us what we need in order to, you know, get our money, whatever. And I was like, well, I can't get on my high horse about it because I forgot and I should have done this two months ago. So really they could take their time because I'm the one who's behind. I really hate not being able to get on my high horse because I like it up there. It's really nice, good air. It is good air up there. I do like it.
Yeah, so, and one other thing I'm really excited about, Well, not well, yes, very excited about a good thing. One last good thing about September is Mariah's album comes out tomorrow. I'm a huge Mariah fan. Mariah Carey. I just call it Mariah. They were. A first name basis like that, right? Pretty much, yeah. It's like her first album in seven years, and so it's gonna drop. So does that tomorrow. It's dropping on a Friday. That's a new thing for the music
industry. Oh, I. Always. I want it back on Tuesday. Always Tuesdays and now it's on Fridays and so yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they find out. No, I think it's like from Friday to Friday because then you find out how it did the following week and whether it be singles on the top 100 or the Yeah. So very excited. I've heard like some she's released some single. She's releasing another single tomorrow too with Will Packham. Packham will pack. Yeah, yeah, Anderson Pack.
Anderson pack. Yes, yeah. Will pack. I don't know. I don't. Know, I don't know. This is how little I know about the current music industry. Because he's big. Because he's like, yeah, with Bruno Mars. Yeah, I want to say Chris and Nick always talk about Anderson Pack. Like, yeah, like, he's a big producer and big, big, big. Name like he produced, I want to say he produced that Bruno Mars Lady Gaga song. You know that like, wow, Graham.
Edward I mean, I I have, I have even less less up to date musical taste. I like weird weird depressing teenage pop. Well, yeah, like I said, usually for me, aside from like Beyoncé or Taylor, I don't really know a lot of people. Like I think I just found out who Tate McRae was the other on the VMAs the other week. I know that Las Culturistas talk about her all the time. Yeah. Like, and Matt Rogers, like just
love sort of pieces. I, I think after we listened to one of their episodes, I looked up who Tate McRae was and I was like, I, I don't get. It I thought she I for some reason in my head, I was confusing her with Morgan Wallen, who is a man, who's a country singer, Tate McRae, it's. Oh yeah, is have. Some boots and some guns. Yeah, no, you're not. You're not wrong with. That So I was like, oh, OK. And then she's like, you know, doing her old, like, dance in
the sand and the cold routine. There's two things as as I get older that I like, I try to like, I try my best and I don't want to become I'm already a get off my lawn old man, just like, oh, one of them. What the hell? What are you doing in the moon? This You're not supposed to be here. I'm not going to can or Karen out on somebody that like I'm not that bad, but the two things I'm 1 is like I'm not going to be resistant to fashion style.
Like just because just because I have a shirt that's older than some of my friends, like doesn't mean I can't still buy new trends and like get into it because that's what makes as an older person you look old is that you're not wearing whatever it is that looks new. But, you know, it's that balance between, you know, not looking, dressing your age, basically. Yeah. So like dressing respectively for your age but not dressing old for your age.
So it's like, you know, you can embrace a new trend as far as it will go for, you know, your body type, your age, that sort of thing. So I'm trying to do that. I try to do that with that damn Ben Sherman stuff that I ordered, but it's never showing up. It occurred to me that it's coming from the UK. Oh, OK. And so things aren't coming to the US from the UK, so. Oh, that that thing I got from Greece that's so got lost I had to like reorder it.
Right, so I don't know, I I'll figure it out or I got to go back and check the credit card statement. Maybe I was never charged by the way, I feel dumb, but I guess I really wanted those clothes. The other thing is musical tastes like I'm trying not to just get locked into or locked out of new music. Like at least be open minded to it. But I'll tell you this, Tate McRae can't do it well. I was going to say I'm the exact
opposite of here. I am in my Eddie Bauer shirt that I could wear went to, you know, an old person events. I was going to say Country Club, golf course, whatever. Very Dad going to a picnic. And I'm cool with that look. No, and that's true. It is Eddie Bauer. Eddie Bauer is made for dads and like older guys in their 40s. But I think that's a useful look though. I. Mean, I mean it's like how you style it and you know, rent pants. I'm wearing shorts, but it it does lean lean that and I'm
totally cool with that, right. If you wear to get a. If you wear that with like cargo shorts and New Balance, then we have a problem. I wouldn't. I don't have New Balance. I wouldn't wear cargo shorts. Yeah, like I not that I'm like I wouldn't wear cargo shorts as the guy who like was wearing cargo shorts like 2 years ago. Yeah, yeah, me, I'm talking about. No, Yeah, I know who. I know who you're talking.
About OK And the other thing, yeah, with music, I'm again, I'm like, I'm very locked in. Certain things will will come through, you know, mainly that's been tailored the last few years. But for the most part I'm like, I don't know. And even more so, it's things like new things for me are old songs that I've never heard before. And I'm like, that's a damn good disco song. What you say?
That's the theme song to Angie, a sitcom that lasted one season starring the girl from the second lead from Saturday Night Fever. Sure, Angie Pascal. Or you know what I'm talking. About. I don't know. Yeah, OK. No, you shouldn't. That I wanna. I thought you were talking about Donna Pascal from.
It is Donna. Donna Pascal from Out of This World. Yes, Sada Pascal had a show called like Angie and I played this song for you that one more like one time we're going to that open house and like, yeah, it's so great. And it was the theme song. And I don't know how like it got on my radar and Spotify, Spotify, it's just like, this guy looks old. Shit. So.
And it did. And I'm like, this is an amazing song and I just it's called like Best of Both Worlds or like something World, but it's called Race. And then Donna Pescao sings it. No, no, no, she's oh, OK, she's on there. It was the theme song for for show Angie and it lasted like maybe less than a season. And this amazing song came from that. I was gonna say Donna Pescao sort of has that kind of, well, I don't know, like just very campy vibe about her.
So I can't imagine her singing a song and if it was like all I'm singing Angie theme, you know, or something like that, you know? Is she Shannon Medor? Yes. Oh, good call back. Let's bring it back to the show, are we? Well, no, I was thinking he was very ashamed that, you know, hit movements. But yes. I thought you were like enough about us. Like this does is a good segue to singing housewives singing. Oh, what does that have to do with this show?
I don't understand. So the theme was singing and daughters. The first was like happy time with our daughters and we're bonding. And the second act was like, I'm going to gut you like a fish and shoot you with this pellet gun that's really bad like a fish. If it works out, that's what people do. They got fishes. That's true, but it was more like on the sheet with this Pelican that. Well, that I'm surprised that didn't. That wasn't even a joke that they made.
I mean, for a second I was like, tamper's gonna whirl around and it's like Bang, Bang. I think any anyone who has gun etiquette knows anything in gun and shaped. You don't turn and pointed anyone. Yeah, a water gun, barely. And that's only if it's fluorescent green and transparent and doesn't look like an actual gun. That was like looked like a Glock, but. Well, yeah, it's not that I know what a Glock really looks like, but. It's just like a bigger gun. I mean, heavy weapon, right?
I think we at some point we should go shoot a gun. Yeah, like somewhere, just cuz, you know, just to. I'd be up for that. I've never shot 1. You never shot 1. I've shot, you know, actually shooting my dad. Like I've shot rifles and I've shot pistols before, but like I haven't as an adult. Like I was a little, you know, gay 13 year old and he was like, wanna go shoot? And I'm like sure. No, I was like, honest to God, we go to the shooting range and
I'd be sitting there. I remember I was reading like the history of soap operas, like while we're at the shooting range, probably somewhere out here in the back roads of town. I don't know. Which is weird to think that was right here in town, but but yeah, no, I totally remember reading like all about the history of Guiding Light. You told me that, but I I don't think you put it together with I was just shooting range with my dad. I'd take off my ear, the earphone, and then what?
No, I'm good, I'm good. Put it back on and just keep reading reading about the powers. This shooting and and what and gun combo is going to get us a whole new audience. It might. I'm having a little bit of Deja vu, including the fact that I mentioned I'm having Deja vu. It's a circle. It's a circle. It's a full circle, so. I was saying, like the daughters, the lovely daughter.
Yes. So today is National Daughter Day, which worked out well for this episode because there was like, let's spend time with our daughters. I have to think that that was planned. I think that someone was like, oh, it's going to air on National Daughter Day. They. Usually know when it's going to air and then putting well, I guess they but I mean who's looking for National Daughters Day? I don't know. It's like national tequila today at.
Work, we used to look for everything like, oh, today's National Tortilla Day, we better make a burrito special. I was like, oh God, as though someone's like sitting there waiting at Instagram, Like I sure hope that restaurant chain has a has a burrito special today. I wasn't going to go, but now I will. It was just that I just sat at those meetings there, fucking hated it. It's just like, oh, today's, today's National. It'd be like today's national
golden retriever day. Let's have a let's, we'll have, we have a golden beet salad today for National. I'm like, oh, really? That's how we're going to do it. It was the worst anyway. Corporations. Right. So yes, it was both your daughter time. So basically it was it. Was cute, I did like that. Yeah, I was like, you know, Shannon talking to her daughter, Heather talking to her daughter.
And then you have the scenes with Jen and her daughter, who seems really, you know, mature and, you know, lovely and with it and, you know, expressed. They don't really. They did a Jen's first season. Talk about her kids. Yeah, yeah, talk. About her ex-husband, but they don't really go into it and the relationship that that he has
with the kids. It's just, you know, so it's interesting to hear that she out of some sort of out of this idea of like, you know, there's this notion and that it's always going to be, you know, my parents are the ones to married and to have them my mom getting married to somebody else. That's just probably would be weird if like all your most of your life, you've just known them as this unit and now you have to accept this new unit in your mom's life.
And you know, she's saying to you that I married my best friend, whereas with your dad it was just like we were parents, which which happens. And her daughter is of the age or she could hear something like that, you know, like 16 or so. Maybe, yeah, maybe a little older. You know, I didn't even think about that. Like my mom never got remarried, but also my parents were always divorced as long as I could remember. So I don't know how that. My dad got remarried.
Might, but yeah, but I mean. I think it would be interesting if your mom had gotten remarried and bringing someone else into your life, but she had a. But since she had a lot of men in her life, she did have a lot of long term boyfriends. Like she's with a guy for like 10 plus years so for that. They could have gotten. There, I mean, I mean, you could put a little cry, cry a little thing on the screen, say it's
his life partner. I mean that's you know, but but yeah, no. So there were a lot of yeah, it just it was sort of thing that I think for a lot of people, the whole idea of marriage is so official and so, you know, final in some ways so that I can see that like especially, you know, coming from, I gather there come from a conservative background, you know, Oklahoma and everything and that her daughter, you know, OK, the idea and that's why she teared up the
idea of you actually being married to someone who's not my dad other than dad, you know, clearly threw her for a loop. So it was interesting to see. Interesting to you, like Jim was saying, you know, I really want to be married. I want to have a a partner, I want to be a part of a unit. And you know, you could say that you don't necessarily have to get married for that, but if you want to, then you should be able to. Gretchen could say that, but
yeah, no, you're. You're It's just like we're married, but we're not. Absolutely right. And she wants to be married, but she can't. Backing up the whole Shannon and her daughter's call. Who was that guy she was talking? Some random gay OK. So that was a random gay yes case for half a second I was watching and I was like, is this some guy that she's seeing? And then if so, that's a lot of balls to be like. And I brought magnums, Mrs. Bedor. This is like I was like.
That's why Shannon was like, I don't need to hear that. Right. But I mean, I guess it's more palatable for does Shannon do this? A. Little yes, she's I was like. I don't have to point. You're gonna have to point. This out all the time or now I'll just I'll live like that I don't. Just notice. Yeah, Yeah. I got a little confused about that because at first I thought it was just some guy that she
was kind of casually dating. And then they were just like, oh, see, I'm taking care of your daughter, huh. Well. Because they were very, they were like Sophie's friend, blah blah, blah, right. So they are very quick to be like, no, this is probably a homosexual. He did, yeah. I mean, he had that sort of like flirting with someones mom. Homosexuality. But both the value of this. Yeah, it's the only things you can get away with. So then it was them, the two of them.
And Sophia. And Gretchen, Sophia. Woah. And Tamara. And Tamara. Did Heather not have a Heather called her daughter called her daughter in. Paris the cat. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Sophia and Tamara, they would go to the music school in LA. In LA, yes. I love flashbacks to little Sophia. Oh yes, I like she's no Gia Judice, I'll tell you. I mean, that song that she's saying was not memorable. She's not waking up in the morning, She's not not waking up in the morning.
Not going to be a hit. Single, no, but I like yeah, like their little relationship. And I think consumers said before, Sophie has a lot of anxiety. So for her to be considering moving away from home and just being seen to be really OK with it, that's pretty, you know, it's yeah, yeah. She's made a lot of stuff forward. Yes, for sure.
Yeah, kind of nice. We have to segue because in and the scene, Sophia's blonde and then and it's a confessional and she has like short dark hair and it's like, whoa, OK, that's a switch. And then we have to delicately talk about Tamara's boobs. Confessional look. You mean Tamara's boobs? Yeah. Not necessarily. Because we don't talk about looks. So let's. We don't, yeah. It's not her boobs, it's just more the structure in the necklace. Like, yeah. And necklace draws attention to
the boobs. Basically she had her boobs done because there was an issue with the boobs and so she like got like AI think a very small. A medical issue like the the the musculature wasn't where it was supposed to be. Yes, and like where the implant what or like whatever, right. So there's a whole big thing and she didn't tell anybody.
And then she was saying this on 2 TS that, you know, she was shooting this confessional and the producer was like, obviously it was like you had your boobs done again, right. And Tamara hadn't told Sophia and since Sophia found out that way. But yes, they are very noticeable because it's one of the the classic, I'm wearing a blazer without a shirt look that housewives love to do. Yeah, and it's like, OK, this is a lot of your boob.
I think that thing that's, I don't know, like this is going to be I'm not this isn't any like I don't know, this isn't a rag on Tamara at all. I think this is just more of a comment on aging, I think in that I think the way that her breasts are, there's like a weird crease somewhere that like I, I don't know if that's made by the, IT has to be by the fact that they're fake boobs and so like. Freshly done. Freshly done.
So it just looks like they're there's like boning in her body that shouldn't be there, but like it definitely looks. I think maybe they weren't settled. Yeah, you know, because like she just had it done so recently. But at the same time, like, you know, there's only so you're only going to look so good at even at any age. Also too, it's like she wasn't wearing a bra so maybe like they were taped and pushed up in a in a way. Something weird? Yeah, it was it, It's, it wasn't
the best. It's not the most attractive. No, the color's great and her hair and makeup are green. Yeah, but it's like in some in some moments, they're shooting her from like neck up and I. Was like, yeah, keep doing that. Yeah, keep doing that. And I was. Wondering because I'm just like, yeah, as much as a gay man can. Just like my eyes are drawn to her boobies. But. I'm Vicki. So sorry, thank you. We listen to Vicki's part of Vicki's podcast, Lexus, and she didn't say.
Yes, after blocking smack about Vicki's podcast, we listened to Vicki's podcast. It was fine. It was fine. I didn't know Christian was southern. That southern, especially. Y'all. While we're talking about it, Jen and her breast situation, she clearly has implants as well. And I think she's lost a lot of weight, but naturally that her breasts are hanging on her in a way that she's like having a weird concave situation and her
cleavage. And it's something that I never really as a gay man, I don't really look at breasts. So I don't really consider like, because, and also a gay man like who grew up in the nineties, 80s and 90s, like I'm used to the whole idea of like, oh, fake tits are great, you know, and everyone was like always into like big giant fake breasts. And so you don't really think about what happens to big giant breasts as someone's body changes.
Well, it's like, because you have this notion that you know, they're going to just stay the same because they are, they're not real. So they're not going to age with you, but like the skin around you, you know, a skin around the area, right, right. It's just, I don't know all the facts, but like, it doesn't make sense that as your body changes as you get older, right? You you know nothing holds up, but even a facelift isn't going to hold up forever.
Right. But I think it's just, it's that sort of thing where you think, I think as someone who's never had it, you know, and, and you know, fate, plastic surgery or anything like that, like you, you think, oh, well, you're going to send all this money to have this done. It's going to make you perfect and it'll last forever.
And then it doesn't. So that if you don't really think about that, and I'm sure what we're talking about now, like I feel like we're just like doze in the wood, just walking out and like realizing something that I'm sure half the people in the world who, who goes through Plastic street, they like, yeah, no shit. Or they themselves are like, yeah, that was the drawback. Like I too thought I'd be perfect forever. And then I was like, wait, I got
to do this again in 10 years. Like I could barely afford it the first time. Well, yeah, it's like you got to get like, you know, going for a checkup every 10 years or so when they have boobs. It's just things you don't think of because you think like, oh, it's going to last forever because, but it's not, yeah. No, I mean, I was going to, I was going to have that butt implant, but not anymore. The BBL. Yeah, I just definitely going to do it. But some Larsa butt, yeah.
But no. Don't need it, no. Don't need all that maintenance. No, it's looking at things I don't want. It's a personal scene with Gretchen Slade. Yeah, you are a friend of. I know they're trying to establish or, you know, go back off of what she revealed, what they both revealed last week. But it was so set up. And obviously these, whenever they had these conversations with like husbands or life partners and the wives or friends, it's all set up. Like, what did you do last night?
But they have an agenda, plain and simple. And she wanted him to say that. He wanted to say that. The one honest thing he says in this entire conversation is that he's still bitter about Tamra. Well, no shit. Yeah, that's. Quite obvious you are, I do. Believe that the whole whatever they wanted to have happen, I think that it got away from Gretchen.
I think Gretchen didn't want it to be as escalated as it got because I think Gretchen shows a lot of like, I think she's genuinely embarrassed that like she that it got there. I don't think that like I think she tried to get, she knew it was going to get towards there. I think she was hoping that it would just be like, we're going to go ahead and insinuate something happened, but we're not going to go ahead and say that something happened. And I think I.
Don't know. She was really quick to say affair. She was very quick to say that. I know, but that's what I think. I think maybe she was like, oh, she had an affair and she's going to leave it at that and be like, well, I'm not going to say anything more. And then Slade went ahead and was like, and then they were recording and Rodenbaugh. He he put too much on it right that it was, but they were eventually going to ask the details of like, how do you know she had an affair?
And the only reason you would know that is because you allegedly heard this audio of her screwing this guy because they were messing around in the studio and like, oh, the mic's still on. Oh my God. I. Do like that when it gets retold the Tamara it's told as though and I I never thought that this is the case and correct me if you did. I don't think they made it seem like Slade has a recording of
them screwing. Which no, because he never said he always like I heard it. I don't have a recording. He made that very clear. But it make it makes it seem like when they retell Tamara that like he has a copy of it listens to right regularly. That's what that's on Emily because she didn't convey this story right. Girls, you gotta. There's also too. She'd been drinking as well, so she's in all the details. But still really creepy to think that he's just like, oh, and I
kept this because oh like. Listen to it. Yeah, No, I do think you're like it got bigger than it was, but like she has been Tamara. Yeah, as pissed Gretchen off for so long and she's been ready to reveal this because Tamra exposed her affair when Gretchen was with her fiance Jeff. Yeah. And quickly that's how Gretchen got so when towards the end she got so pissed off when she started talking about that. And you could tell if that's the
motivator. For like the that's when she like when she lost her cool and I think that's the real you. So yeah, I don't know. It's just we'll, we'll get more to it at the end, but it's just, oh, I didn't need to see them, the scene of them and like talking about this crap. The one thing and I don't again, I, I don't have AI have barely a pot to piss in with our life, but I do like to see Gretchen and Slade at home because their house is very small compared to
to everyone else's. And it's fine. It's nothing wrong with it. I'm they have a nice life for themselves. But like, you know, well, we, you know, it looks like they have rooms like they don't have. When you're a single income household. But they don't have like, formal living room, formal dining room. They have like all the rooms you need to live in a house. They have, you know, family room, eating area, kitchen. It's not like they live in this lavish place like, you know,
Emily does. Or even Emily's house by comparison, which is pretty normal, is still much larger. Or Heather's, I think as we were talking about Heather. 'S well, no, no. Heather, of course, lives in a giant. Yeah, yes, that's what I'm saying. Like but. I'm saying like even people who live in a quote UN quote modest house, even Gina's place looks bigger than Gretchen's. So that's, you know, it's interesting to see. The thing I didn't like is that they have a stupid little word
art by the staircase. It says like wifey and husby or something like that. You are not a wifey. You've never been a wifey. Well, you never will be a wifey. To Slade. No, she's not. She's never been married. She was only engaged and he died. Okay, yes, but off of Gretchen, I don't really don't want to. Talk we're gonna have to get back to unfortunately later on. No, let's. Stop this episode right now, no more Gretchen.
Well, The thing is, and I don't know if we need should we bleep this about who the boy band singer. Feel like everyone on the Internet's saying it. Yeah. And we can just. Allegedly what the. Internet's saying. Is that the guy that she that Terma allegedly had the affair with was Jeff Timmons from 1983? And rewinding it every time they
blur their mouth. They say it fast enough like you could say Jeff Timmons. And also the fact that every time they say it, that Jeff Timmons and it just seems like the cadence is right. Were they really afraid that Jeff Timmons was going to suit them? Well, I think, I think that's bleeped out. I think it's bleeped out more for he's not involved in this. He's not asking to be involved in this, right? It's more more of a courtesy. He's a public figure of sorts,
you know. Like, does she even was it even this guy that like, 'cause not to get skipped too out of too far ahead. But like Tamara says, you know, I recorded the song. It was, it was being funny. I know that I knew this boy band guy in my neighborhood and so, you know, but whatever. But like it never got released. I don't have an audio permit, you know, whatever. The fact that others were like saying it, and Tamara didn't seem to deny that she knew this person. Yes. And so whatever.
Because she's something to hide. Because she's saying she didn't have an affair. Right. And even if she. But she was very quick to say when I was presented, I was working it with with Simon. Simon I was with Eddie, which can still be an affair if she's even though they weren't married. If she it could be said that she was cheating on Eddie with this dude. So we're bouncing all around and we're like, like, that is different for us. But here's the thing. What does it matter?
Does why does Gretchen care? Why does anyone care even if even if Tamara screwed half of Orange County, what business of anyone's is it so? And the only reason I get to it is that like it's some sort of moral high ground when you have this whole like especially if you're religious, it's. Not that. I know, but like, is it though where it's like, oh, you're not living a Christian life? It's not that at all. It's all about payback for for Tamra saying that Gretchen was having an affair.
It has nothing to do with Gretchen's current situation and how she views Tamra. It's more so you did this to me. You made-up all these allegedly made have all these lies about me, and now I'm going to do the same to you because I have all this information because people send the all these things. News flash, people send housewives a bunch of stuff in DMS, on Twitter, whatever, trying to get onto the show.
So this idea of like you're not special, Tamara could say everyone sends people send me something about Shannon, about Heather, about Gina. You decide what you use or not, right? Right. So she's chosen. And this whole idea of like you don't want it's so mirrors marks of like, you don't want to know what I know about you. I could just expose her right here and take you down. That's why like Tamara's like, go ahead and say it then. Yes.
And then even if they're confessional, go ahead and say it and she doesn't say it right because she has nothing. The the moment it's passed a little bit because I didn't want to interrupt you. But what Tamara should have said was everyone sends things to Katie and. Then Katie pops up. You're right. Bang Bang. Did someone say my name? Someone name Someone name. That would have been really good if she'd be like, well, people send things to Katie and look
where it gets her. You know, everybody was like the whole prank of, you know, when they rolled up Katie and stuff. Oh, hey, guys. It was like roll the window, roll the window. Oh God. So lame. So yeah, I mean, I guess we can back up to them going to the self-defense Club. Well, as we talk about Tamara and Eddie, oh, cuz there's the Tamara Eddie scene versus the Gretchen and Slade scene.
And yeah, but like, I like it. Eddie was like Sharon's time, like Gretchen's evil, like Shannon's just a little wackadoo. Gretchen will steal your soul like. Yeah, he's just like, well, whatever, you know? But also, like, I think Tamara and Shannon actually have been friends and probably, you know, besides, you know as much. As many years.
As much as we say that a lot of these women are friends only on the show, and evidently like a lot of their friendship was for the show, they clearly have spent time off the show together. Maybe not as much as like real friends would do, they weren't like hanging out all the time.
But I. Think they were like as Tamara's is that they were talking all the time and that's why I was a bit draining, you know whatever, don't talk about that because it's all like oh, Tamara's the bad one as if Shannon is like this Angel but whatever well. Shannon's recovering. She's licking her wounds, getting her strength back. Why? She's doing lick your gabs. Look at her wounds. Like a cat, she's like.
Anyways, I'm not trying to like, you know, throw whatever at Shannon, but it's just it's so it's not actually no, what we should talk about before we get into the freaking. Self-defense class, yeah, is. Actually, this was the ultimate defense class. Yeah. See, when Gina said I don't, Shannon was making this as she finally got to a mountain out of a molehill. You mean a mole out of a mountain hill or a mountain set
of a mountain side? And like any Yosemite, I don't know, like Shannon was making it seem as if Tamara's like your father's an alcoholic. He specs back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Engineer's like it didn't happen like that. And I think she wasn't trying to. She wasn't going after you. But Shannon wouldn't hear it. And when Shannon said if anyone else said that, I would've been pissed to lies. Yeah, yeah. If Shannon said it, if Shannon said it, Nope. He'd be totally like, guys, no,
that's not how it happened. Shannon was thinking, had Katie said that, I would have done the same thing because that's. Probably had Katie breathed air, Shannon would have lost her her mind. You'd. Say it, I already swore a lot. No, I say shit all the time. I know every episode, every episode lately we've just been marking explicit. I'm just not. I'm over it. Yeah, I don't know, like last episode when I was like dropping too many F bombs. It's like I don't need to. That's true.
Yeah. You and your gutter mouth. So gutter. So can we talk about the whole self-defense thing? I'm going to 1st off the fact that their logo flash so so heavily on the camera every every cutscene. A lot of. Branding, a lot of branding. Clearly they promise these people let us do this and we will advertise the F out of you.
But just in general, that whole thing just felt so Orange County, like Orange Curtain Orange County, like it was very it's felt very conservative in the way that like we're going to do a self-defense class and just kind of the the logo, the font, everything about that insides just look like women. You should be afraid. We're going to go ahead because you're right, you're meek. You're meek women, you have to learn how to take care of yourself.
It's not even like you're meek, it's just the world is so scary and bad that you need to write yourself. Right. It wasn't like. Like scary and bad. Not that I'm saying things can't bad can't happen everywhere, but right, Scary and bad isn't really going to come to certain parts of Orange County.
Well, no, I'm not saying that I feel the way Heather reacted to a lot of it. Like you're like, you know, honey, don't, don't think your money's gonna solve everything right down to it. I pray nothing, you know, happens. But, you know, just kind of tempting fate with that or like, oh, my money will take care of me. You're my 12. I wouldn't say anything. I would never. But what I'm like, I just feel like on other franchises, if they did it like in New York, didn't they do a self-defense?
They did the boxing and on. Right, Leah or the. Boxer and everything. And Leah. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would always do it more of a women's empowerment thing and it. But like this didn't seem like women's empowerment at all. Like even the housewives didn't phrase it really like that. Yeah. It was more for like, you know, the world's a scary place in which the world is a scary place.
I'm not denying that. But to like really lean in on the fear side of things was just like really a different feeling for me. I mean, even like just the whole the setup of like, let's test how you're going to react to the situation. That's just really weird to do that to somebody. You know, you really could have scared someone shitless in that moment. But also too, and not to blame anyway, but like roll up your window. My window is never down. My oh so yeah. Windows are never down.
Rolled up their windows down. So it makes me wonder if they like rolled like if the driver rolled them down and like and locked. Unlocked it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I. Put on the child safety lock so no one opened that door and like hit the guy with it. I just love that. Damn, was like, take Gina, Yeah. I mean, the fact that they, she reacted so quickly, just like jumped over Gina, like, yeah, I mean. Camera's not playing, no. No. And I like that Shannon, like
was kind of reacting. I was like, wait, this is for the show. Like her idea of like and then I kick him and he kicks my he grabs my leg and pulls me out the window. I'm like, what could happen? And it was fun to watch. But yeah, if, if you ever, if you ever do that to me, if. You ever do that to me? I don't like surprises, period. I don't want a surprise party. I don't want a surprise fake mother carjacking. Yeah. Can you imagine? Can we talk about Gretchen's stupid Lara Croft?
Look at how oh I accidentally went for this. That parade was so bad, so easily detached. Let's pretend, let's pretend for a moment that she said for one second, I'm doing a self-defense class. I need an outfit. Hey, I'm going to go to my closet and get this full. I'm. Going to say say hey Siri. I'm going to go to my closet. This this bodysuit. OK, All right. Yeah, all right. And then I'm going to put on
this holster. Oh, I look kind of like Laura Croft. Do I have a giant ass braid somewhere that looks like the Lara Croft braid? Hey glam team. Yeah, like how did you accidentally do get the fuck out of here? No one falls into that braid. Yeah, like no the. Chainmail kind of around it, yeah. No, no, no, no. That was so bad. I do like the Tamara was like, well, I, you know what could be happening. I'm sure there's a costume involved and. Or I've always said it's like Lara Croft. Amazon.
Yeah, Croft. I Croft. Yes. Amazon, I wasn't getting the I wasn't sure if she was saying like Amazonian Laura Croft or like. No Amazon like this is the cheap version of Angela. Shine or Shane or whatever how you say Shane. Shane. Yeah, it would have been that. Amazon. It was costume. It was, it was a little, it was a little, it was a little spirit. Yeah, I would have said spirit Halloween. I would love to see Bronwyn on Salt Lake do a Lara Croft.
You know, like because Bronwyn wouldn't do like a full on costume, she would do like costume adjacent it. Would be a better like it it. It was a little cheap. It was a. It was a. She looked great. I mean if. No, her body is great. Yeah, this is the outfit and the braid. And it was. It was the well, yeah, the poof of it. It wasn't like like Laura Croft is like slicked back with the hair, but she had like a poof. Like I don't even know she.
Can't get that one out from that stupid pink look where she has well. She also just loves like that wisp. She can never let go of that wisp. And she loves like it's. Yeah, she's constantly touching her hair. Watch it you'll you'll never be able to Unsee it. How much Gretchen will touch that hair anyways? Keep my eye. Yeah, so they get there. They do split into teams. Elf defense Elbow elbow on gun.
Cover cover your 12 Shannon. You know as much as I thought for immediately Shannon would be like no, I'm not doing this. I'm going to go sit over here. She. Got really into it. She got really doing. She does. I think in a lot of those activities get into it. I always expect her to be more like kind of Ramona in a lot of those regards where she's like, I'm whatever and like kind of half assing it, right. But she gets into it and I, I was, I was actually kind of a
little proud of her. I think, yeah. Had it been like wall climbing like she thought it was? She really probably like, OK, I'll climb this wall, right? You know, she does it. I think maybe she's probably got a lot of guff about like weaving scene and going to video village so much last year. I always think about the first year we watched OC when she like they went scuba diving or whatever snorkeling and she had like fall backwards off the boat. Oh yeah.
Her arm up and everything. Right, good with that. I just remember, like, she's a good sport when it comes to these little activities, and it made it, it's surprising to me. Like I I figured she'd just be someone to be like, oh, I'm not doing that. But, you know, she did. It was good. Who knows? Yeah, I liked it. So finally, you know, producers like go Emily, go, right? And she tells Gretch or tells Tamara the whole story about what Gretchen was was saying.
And I feel like at first Tamara's like this shit again. And then she's like really started thinking about it and was like, Nope, not today, not today. And then actually, let's back up a second, Emily. The best thing that Emily said in that scene was everything that Gretchen told us was unprovoked. And she accuses Tamara bringing up bullshit when she is sitting here bringing up bullshit unprovoked and giving all the the grimy details and like couldn't wait for it.
And then you cut to Jen. Oh, and her confessional saying, you know, I've done Gretchen for a bit of time now and I don't last thing she wants to do is talk about Tamara. Lies, lies, lies. Cue the the lies, the lies, the lies of of I had to fly my head. I'm tired. I. Don't know what you're talking about. Candy. That's her. That's her. Me. And the lies. Lies, lies. Jen, Why would you set up such an obvious lie? Do you? Want to do that again so we can actually like, cut things out?
Yes, okay, okay, again, take 2. The lies, the lies, the lies. Obviously Gretchen has told you many a thing about Tamra. You have talked about Tamra. You can like like got together to conspire against Tamra. I can't imagine there's a time where Gretchen and Jen have sat down together and. Not talked about Tamra. Your whole initial meeting was you said you reached out to Gretchen and said Tamra SOS and she got on the phone with you right away.
Your whole relationship has been built on hating Tamra, right? Like, why do you think making us? Why are you gaslighting me? Do you? Think they're at dinner and they're like Tamara, Tamara, blah blah blah blah that I call. Hmm. OK, so what's new with you? Nothing but you know, Tamara said. This. That's exactly exactly. Exactly. Exactly. They have nothing else, No. And if they do, I'd love to know about it. I'd like to hear about it. But this deep friendship like.
This deep friendship of just this year. That sounds a foursome that I was like don't want to imagine with the with Ryan and no, not, no, just like them sitting together because they all hate Tamara so much. Freaking Ryan was saying when he said, you know, I admire Shannon that, you know, she's setting boundaries with Tamara and I couldn't do it. I just like peaced out, dude. Tamara's not looking for you. Tamara's not trying to like whatever. Tamara doesn't know you exist
anymore. That's the fun thing about all this. Is it like, I mean, even when they're filming, you know, I can't imagine that Tamara's or anyone. I can't imagine Tamara, Heather, Gina, Emily are going home being like, oh, I wonder what they're talking about. But I get the feeling Gretchen and Jen are kind of having that conversation. Because what else do they have? A show that. Yeah. I mean, at least Jen has her kids and like they're. Right.
No, I think a lot of, I mean, yes, they obviously have like children in like lives, but I'm saying like really what? When I say that, I mean at least Jen is like feet her kids are getting featured on the show and like they have storylines and like that's being part of her life on the show as well. Whereas Gretchen being a friend of we get to see her daughter yesterday getting put on a lot of sunscreen. When you're that blonde, you must need a lot of.
Sunscreen. A lot of sunscreen you'd catch on fire. Yeah, but yeah, so I mean, it's good. I, I like to see it and I'm, you know, glad we're meeting other parts of Jen's family other than and even though we met them. Before no it is yes boy I think meeting your daughter and needs to know her was really good and I she's how many kids should have like 6? 5 or 6. Five and then. 65 in the adopted 1. Right, which you know, we. Shouldn't I know we shouldn't? Qualify that.
Yeah, yeah. So 6 kids, but yeah. So then Gretchen eventually. Well, Tamara's like, Nope, not going to do it. And then like brings it up at the table and you're saying that Gretchen seemed really embarrassed and like she could look her in the eye. She. Wouldn't look her in the eye like. And tried to like, throw it at Emily and Emily's like, no, no, no, no, girl. Like we weren't provoking this. OK, you. And then even Heather, I like that Heather stepped in and was
like, OK, it started off silly. Yeah, we were just talking about it. And then her, her single came up. And then she then she was like, oh, did you know Tamara's tried to sing a song? And it started off all goofy. We wanted to hear the song. And then she, you know, and so I liked that Heather was kind of trying to diplomat the situation. Because she's friends of both of them.
Right. And I think it was, I think it was legitimately true that it what did start off goofy and then Heather or Gretchen took that opportunity to be like, oh, and then allegedly Jeff Timmons. Yeah, it could have been like listen to like how bad Tamara sounds. We even Tamara was like, I sounded bad, right? But instead it went to a malicious place, right? That's what freshman Slay do. So you and I talked about this as well. You mentioned it. You're the keen one who spotted it.
Like Tamara did get ahead of all this in all, in every sense, in every step of the way. So when she mentioned like, yes, I knew someone in a boy band and I sang, I was awful. Like I don't think I was good. So she got ahead of that. She was able to like, or at least the editors put that in. So she could be like, I'm aware that this exists. And then she also got ahead of the whole.
Notion of that it could have had something, something could have happened with me and this guy right when she said because she said. I was broken up with. Simon and I had just started seeing Eddie. Eddie. So if you try to throw at me that I had an affair, that's not true, right? Although again, as I said earlier, it could be considered cheating because she was with Eddie. But again, what's it matter to Gretchen? Tamara could cheat on 100,000 men and it has nothing to do
with Gretchen unless she was. The thing about this, everything is from the past. There's nothing like currently that Gretchen herself, the other woman of of course, Shannon. Shannon could point to things that Tamara's done to them recently. Everything that Gretchen points out happened a decade ago or a decade ago. We had to rewind to pause and see what that that. Article was 2014, yes. Then what?
It doesn't matter anymore. Like you say you want to move on at the beach and then pop jump to LA and you're talking shit. And now this time now you're threatening. Like, I could say so much more than say it than say it. Yeah, but also like, do you No one's saying you need to be friends. They say you saying you need to coexist. That's what you're saying for yourself. You made a made-up on the beach, but then you just keep progressing.
You can't help yourself that you hate her so much and Tamara's not doing the same thing. Tamara wasn't then Temecula saying, you know, I have this, someone sent me the story about Gretchen from like back in 2012. But actually going back stopping for a second because I don't know like the whole back story. I probably if I go and read it, I can figure it out of this guy that Tamara claims that Gretchen was hooking up this guy,
cheating on her fiance with him. Then they she got caught and then it was like no, this guy's talking to me. And then she talked shit about him, He talked shit about her. They sued each other. It got into a mess. Whereas Gretchen phrases it as this guy who she was not having an affair with but who was obsessed with her and was stalking her and sued her and then she won. So I don't know all the details except for what I just spouted out, but regardless, it was decades ago, I don't care.
Yeah, yeah, like also if you're yeah, like you might be pissed off about it, it may sting, it may hurt. Your pride may have fallen because of that. Like you may be really upset about it, but best what is the best revenge of life well lived like? It's not it's it's that, yes, but it's also you now have the ability to control the narrative about who you are in your current life and what you want to talk about.
But when you tie yourself to the past and these old beefs, then you were stuck there and you're allowing your story to revolve around Tamra, right? So as much as you hate Tamra, you are making Tamra the center of your world and your existence on the show. So what does that do for you? And why would we want to have you stick around when you're not bringing anything new to the table as a housewife? Well, I mean, she wants to do it because it gets her paycheck
clearly, obviously. But to answer your question, I think maybe the the hope of bringing this up is that it'll create a new beef that can then be modern and carry on. But there isn't any new It's just like I'm mad at like Tamara's mad because you're trying. You're lying about things that happened, supposedly happened years ago. So there's no if Tamara had done something to Gretchen right this second, there's the issue, right? But she didn't.
So would it be better than for Gretchen to just yeah, I guess you're right. It would be better for Richard to not bring up the past and anything and just kind of if she was looking for, she could set a trap that would like be a moderation. She could wait for something for Tamara to be her own worst enemy and create a drama that she could say, see, see, like this happened yesterday.
And yeah, but when you're relying on your whole basis of hating Tamara being something from 2013, what do you where do we go? You're right, because she does start doing that with a lot of like, you know, when she hears about the whole Shannon dad thing. Yeah, that sounds like Tamara. You know, she kind of gives. I don't know if she said that exactly, but like, when things like that happen, Gretchen will pipe in real quick and be like, Oh yeah, see, that's why we can't.
Trust as well Jen yeah as well Jen. Yeah Jen did a shitty job of like trying to like be in Gretchens corner. You prove nothing, Jen. Gretchen does not want to talk about Tamara. That's all I know. I just like you're going to get hit by lightning, honey, and you look good in that confessional. That'd be a shame. I know. It's really one of your best looks. The the you were saying as we sat down that like, you're like, I just wish there was more show. Well, each time it ends, I'm
like, I want to know more. Like I want to see more like. I want the previews with Tamara being mad at. Heather and Emily. Yeah, I want to see that. It was cute. It was cute. You guys should have been here. Jeff sat down and he was like, it's like, I just want more show. I want more show. And he's like pretty. He's doing their job exactly like he was. Just good on you. He was just. So hard and he's like, good, good for you doing what you're
supposed to do show. That's why we need screeners, yeah. We need to work on that, really do. We got to get our PR team revved. Up rights. Come on PR team. Oh, he doesn't listen to this. Horrible, horrible. Entire camping trip with someone with APR background and he said oh I could probably do but I'm like then do. It do it show me. And he's not even listened to our show once. I got to guilt that mofo right? Anyway. Heavy on the MO. Very heavy on the MO, sometimes
on the foe. I wish you enjoyed eating pho because I could make another faux joke, right? Anyway, I you know. Did we cover all the bases? We covered all the bases. Poor, poor Katie. Come on. I know, OK. She Katie should have showed up like at the self-defense class. They should have her come in and be like an assailant and like, be like. Takes off the mask. Yeah, be like, be like, then someone's coming at you, Shannon. Then she takes off the mask and
Shannon's like, yeah. And like Dexter, you know. No, that would not be good. No, but I mean like throws her to the deck. Judo roll. No, we're going to cut that out. No, we're in that. That's innocent. We don't promote violence. You're too paranoid. I'm not paranoid. We just don't promote violence. I don't even decking anybody. Tamara getting so close to Gretchen, like, I feel like Gretchen needs to to like, use the self-defense and like put out her elbows. Gretchen grabbed her wrists.
Real quick, yeah. Yeah, she was coming at Jen, but I didn't feel like she was in like touch her, but definitely I. Went through the napkins. No, I was going to say it was similar to the whole Jen Aiden and Danielle Cabral glass in the face. Yeah, that was one where it did seem like Jen was really coming at. Oh, she she prepared that for sure. But again, don't they don't condone it should turn out elbows. Oh, Katie, Katie should shut up. And a better Laura Craft Croft
Laura Craft craft. Craft singles. A better Laura Croft outfit and be like, yeah, screw you, Correct. And they're like, Oh no, she shouldn't have because, you know, we shouldn't do that. Interconventional Gretchen got really close to like a high out of like. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Show your colors that horrible horrible outfit that she did 2 takes of because the hair is different and one of them it's
higher. Yeah. Trying to get closer to Jesus. Try, try as you might try. And all right, well, it looks like we got everything covered. Yes, and suddenly much more tired now. I know because we like all the adrenaline's pumped. In the adrenaline, I know the adrenaline. I think, I think we had a nice little adrenaline pump. And now I'm just like, OK, I'm ready to relax. Yeah. So we got to go watch some Miami and then do an episode tomorrow. It'll be all good.
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