Since Autumn first met Leila Awadallah at her aikido dojo, she's wanted to have her on the show. We are blessed to learn Leila's story on our penultimate episode of our art as solidarity season! Leila Awadallah (she/her) is a dancer, choreographer, and film wanderer based between Minneapolis, Mni Sota Makoce and Beirut, Lebanon. Her research in dance centers movement that activates relationships to land / place / peoples, rooted in the context of her own skin as a body and soul that holds indige...
Jun 12, 2026•1 hr 6 min
The sisters are elated to dialogue with two revolutionary artists, Charlotte Brathwaite and Malick Welli . They share their love for art and one another and how their practices intersect with community, history, and transformation. Charlotte is an award-winning artist, creative director, and theater director whose work moves across performance, spectacle, and immersive experience. Working across theater, opera, film, dance, installation, and site-specific performance, Brathwaite creates cross-di...
Jun 05, 2026•1 hr 4 min
The sisters are ecstatic for this long overdue convo with Báyò Akómoláfé , Chief Curator of The Emergence Network , a speaker, author, fugitive neo-materialist com-post-activist public intellectual and Yoruba poet. Bayo's new book is Selah , about which adrienne writes, "Báyò Akómoláfé is a philosopher who is pushing us to think outside of every narrative we take for granted. In this text, he guides us to reconsider how we relate to the world—and to internalize the fact that earth and all of nat...
May 29, 2026•1 hr 2 min
Abigail and Shaun Bengson are a married composing and performing duo raising two children in NYC and Vermont. Abigail was previously on the show in 2023 during our Witch Season. In this raucous and tender convo, The Bengsons trace the origins of their love and their most recent musical, My Joy is Heavy ( watch an excerpt on Fallon! ), which the New York Theatre Guide called " A MIND-BLOWING CELEBRATORY EXPLOSION " and 1-minute critic called " One of the most TRANSCENDENT EVENINGS OF THEATER you’...
May 22, 2026•1 hr 2 min
Hey hey hey, it's a sister-sister AMA! Today on the show, adrienne and Autumn answer questions from our Patreon supporters. To access exclusive content and ask your own questions for future AMA episodes, become a BELOVED SURVIVOR TODAY! On this episode the sister's address questions that touch on the intersection of their sisterhood, how they engage in conflict, what happens when they're both right, what's up the “theologian” part of Autumn’s bio, favorite facilitation books, how they've brought...
Apr 25, 2026•1 hr 12 min
Denée Benton (Eliza Hamilton in Hamilton! Cinderella in Into the Woods! Peggy Scott on The Gilded Age!) joins the sisters Brown to explore how creative work can serve social movements, the importance of community rituals, the evolving role of celebrity in activism, the strategic importance of joy, feeling panicked less and feeling vibrant more. -- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW ...
Apr 17, 2026•1 hr
Autumn is hosting another show and you're gonna love it! In the Season Four premiere of the Climate Changed podcast , Autumn talks with Tory Stephens , a storyteller, cultural worker, and climate justice advocate. They explore the transformative power of climate fiction and its role in helping us envision the future. Tory discusses his groundbreaking work at Grist, where he founded Imagine 2200, an initiative that asks a simple yet radical question: What if we wrote stories not about what we fea...
Apr 10, 2026•31 min
adrienne and Autumn are thrilled to explore the intersection of spirit, ritual and movement organizing with dear friends of the show, Kaji Reyes and Sendolo Diaminah . The conversation touches on creativity and art in ritual and ceremony, the role of geography and land in spiritual work and the challenge and potential of balancing political activism with ritual practice. Kaji has over two decades of experience across a gamut of community organizing issues and spent seven years at Durham for All ...
Apr 03, 2026•1 hr 1 min
The sisters are ecstatic to welcome OBIE Award-winning artist Jenn Kidwell and ASL artist Brandon Kazen-Maddox to discuss “ we come to collect: a flirtation, with capitalism, ” a play which invites "you to roll in the pigsty of American consumerism." The New Yorker calls Kidwell "a comic genius in a leopard-print bra and puffball coat." In this episode, we learn how the play emerged, where its accretion of collaborators came from, mirror as metaphor and set-piece, the artistry of ASL and why eve...
Mar 27, 2026•1 hr 8 min
adrienne and Autumn are joined by Kate McCabe (Founder and Executive Director of Bog & Thunder ), Max Sussman (Culinary Director of Bog & Thunder ) and Dwight Dunston (facilitator, hip-hop artist, educator, and activist) to chronicle and celebrate their majestic time on a private island in the wilds of West Cork for a writing workshop unlike any other. Writing the Next World is a space to ideate, experiment with genre, and find a writing voice that creates more possibilities for our coll...
Mar 20, 2026•1 hr 6 min
Originally recorded on IG live, adrienne and her friend, the author, activist and artist Sonya Renee Taylor process being a survivor in these times. Loving shouts to Tarana Burke for all the portal opening and Amanda Doyle for clear history sharing. Let it make us seeds of love, let us hold each other tight and continue to pull back the veil. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW ...
Mar 06, 2026•1 hr 1 min
The sisters are THRILLED to build with their dear friend, Morgan Bassichis . Morgan is a comedian, musician, Anti-Zionist activist and writer who has been called “a tall child or, well, a big bird” by The Nation and “fiercely hilarious” by The New Yorker. Their show, Can I Be Frank? just won an Obie! The trio discuss finding the funny in the sad and tragic, the life of a Jewish artist fighting for Palestine, being brought up in the cult of 'it's complicated', the clarity of doing what we can to ...
Feb 27, 2026•1 hr 8 min
The sisters are THRILLED to welcome poet, Zen master and Indigenous Hawaiian leader Roshi Norma Wong back to the show! Her new book is part story-poem-instruction manual. It's called Who We Are Becoming Matters and is now available wherever books are sold! CLICK HERE TO SUPPORT AN INDIE BOOKSELLER. In this conversation they discuss Minneapolis, Norma's cool hand clasp model to show how our minds and feelings can sync up or not, dealing with trauma and grief, especially with all the chaos around ...
Feb 20, 2026•1 hr 8 min
adrienne and Autumn convened in Minneapolis at the end of January for a live taping of the show at The Great Northern Winter Festival . Every year The Great Northern puts on a winter festival that celebrates our coldest season as a time to gather, create, and connect. It’s an open invitation to engage with the outdoors, experience art and culture, and embrace winter, together --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OU...
Feb 13, 2026•1 hr
Autumn was recently in conversation with Dr. Chera Reid and Dr. Trinel Torian on their wonderful podcast, Becoming the Vision where they invite visionaries from the field of philanthropy and beyond who believe and practice the idea that we must change ourselves in order to change the world. Subscribe to Becoming the Vision wherever you listen to HTS. In this episode they talk through Autumn's creative origin story and then go deep into Autumn's new book, Temper: Practicing Freedom in an Unfree ...
Feb 06, 2026•52 min
The sisters are ecstatic to welcome Nnenna and Pierce Freelon to the show. Nnenna is a GRAMMY nominated jazz singer, storyteller and grief sojourner. Her latest album is Beneath the Skin . Her new book is Beneath the Skin of Sorrow: Improvisations on Loss . Nneena’s son Pierce is a GRAMMY nominated artist, picture book author and podcaster. His GRAMMY nominated children’s music albums AnceStars (2023) and Black to the Future (2021) have been featured on Today Show , NPR and Billboard . He has wr...
Jan 30, 2026•1 hr 11 min
The sisters describe how and why they build altars for creation and detail recalibrated writing nooks, work laptops, writing in the tub and car, vision boards, doodles for the self and bringing their creative and familial ancestors into the mix. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ESSENTIALS ...
Jan 23, 2026•20 min
The sisters nerd out on project (and self!) management, spreadsheets, procrastination, saving your work and ensuring you have adequate support for the art you're making. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ESSENTIALS SUPPORT Our Show on Patreon...
Jan 16, 2026•27 min
Autumn lives, works and organizes in Minneapolis, where, for over 6 weeks, ICE has escalated its tactics in abducting people from their home. adrienne asks her what's happening on the ground right now and how YOU can get involved. https://defend612.com/ https://unidos-mn.org/ --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ...
Jan 14, 2026•40 min
Another year, another fractal! Autumn and adrienne revel in the majesty their respective weirdness in the artistic process and how improvisation and structure co-mingle. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ESSENTIALS SUPPORT Our Show on Patreon...
Jan 09, 2026•22 min
Another fractal! The sisters dive into the intricacies of storyboarding and structuring in their writing process and how visual mapping can aid in organizing thoughts and ideas. Also, how to balance structure vs. chaos. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ESSENTIALS ...
Dec 26, 2025•23 min
Our fractal series continues as the sisters delve into the challenges of writer's block and share their strategies to overcome it. They discuss the interval method as a technique to manage writing sessions, the importance of external feedback and how crises impact creativity. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ESSENTIALS ...
Dec 19, 2025•26 min
In this episode, the first in a mini-series on creative process, the sisters explore the importance of making space for writing, both physically and emotionally, and share personal practices that have been helping them inch to the finish line on their respective book projects. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW https://www.patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow --- HTS ESSENTIALS ...
Dec 12, 2025•18 min
The sisters have been deep at work on their respective book projects. Today they're back for a rich and fun chat about artistic practice and creative process. As liberation movements continue to turn toward art during times of struggle, adrienne and Autumn reflect on the power and purpose of their art and art in general. They also share some of their tippity top culture of the year. --- TRANSCRIPT --- SUPPORT OUR SHOW ...
Dec 12, 2025•33 min
Some of you may have gotten the wrong audio when we posted this episode on 11/21/25. SORRY! Today we're thrilled to feature the recent interview featuring Autumn from Next Economy Now with Ryan Honeyman. In this episode, she shares her journey of moving from cooperative leadership at AORTA into a new phase of life focused on music, writing, and martial arts, as well as her forthcoming book on fugitivity. At the heart of her work is the question: how do we practice freedom in an unfree world?...
Dec 09, 2025•1 hr 12 min
Today we're thrilled to feature an interview featuring Autumn from Next Economy Now with Ryan Honeyman. In this episode, she shares her journey of moving from cooperative leadership at AORTA into a new phase of life focused on music, writing, and martial arts, as well as her forthcoming book on fugitivity. At the heart of her work is the question: how do we practice freedom in an unfree world? Together, Autumn and Ryan dive into what has shifted since 2020—exploring the backlash to racial justic...
Nov 21, 2025•1 hr 11 min
The sisters are thrilled to welcome soul activist, Francis Weller to the show. They discuss how engaging with grief and shame is essential, the necessary process of the long dark, and how descent leads to self-discovery. Francis Weller is a writer and soul activist who has worked as a psychotherapist for 40 years. He's the author of many books and projects including the beloved grief text, The Wild Edge of Sorrow . Francis is currently on staff at Commonweal Cancer Help Program. His most recent ...
Nov 14, 2025•1 hr 18 min
Earlier this fall adrienne finally got to connect with mother, musician, therapist, broadcaster, facilitator, researcher and educator, Leah Manaema Avene on IG Live. This episode is the audio from that live session. Consider this a bonus episode from our Solidarity is Love season. Leah’s bloodlines have been shaped by the Pacific Ocean and the islands of Tuvalu through her father’s line and the landscapes of Ireland through her mother’s. Leah was raised on unceded Kulin Nations lands along the c...
Nov 07, 2025•1 hr
Hi Beloveds. We’re back with an episode to share from another show we love. Radio Workshop trains youth across Africa to make radio and podcasts. They provide the tools and teach the skills. Youth bring their creativity, local knowledge, and passion for tackling the issues that matter to them and their communities. On today’s show...Rihanna was just 19 years old when she was arrested for being trans in Uganda. It was 2014. She spent 9 months in prison - an ordeal that tore a rift between her and...
Oct 31, 2025•36 min
The sisters are deep in book writing mode which you'll hear more about in the coming weeks. Meantime, they wanted to share their responses to some questions from our Pateron community . Typically, these episodes are for Patreon supporters only but we're making an exception this time! There is another brand new Ask Us Anything episode over on Patreon right now. To hear it, head over to patreon.com/Endoftheworldshow and become a sustaining member today. --- TRANSCRIPT --- ...
Oct 24, 2025•35 min
