"So That What?" featuring Nicole Cherie Hesse

⚠️ Content Note: This episode contains raw reflections on domestic violence and narcissistic abuse. Please listen with care, and pause if needed. You are not alone.

Nicole is back on the mic — and this time, we go deeper.
In this vulnerable, unfiltered conversation, Katie interviews Nicole about her new book, A Shadow Called Sunshine, and the haunting, holy question woven through it all:
“So that what?”

We talk about:

• The long arc of healing after narcissistic abuse

• The grief of being gaslit by someone you trusted

• Writing as reclamation

• And what it means to keep going ... when everything in you wants to shut down

This isn’t just a story of survival through the worst. It’s a story of sovereignty.... "so that what?"

✨ Follow Nicole and her book launch journey here: sothatwhat.org