What a Man Gotta Do

have a super special guest with us today. I am going to anoint him with co hosting privileges in lieu of absence, and I will dare to say that this man is with no disrespect to any previous guests. This is probably the most handsome man we have ever had on this show. So unfortunately it's a podcast, but we're doing this call by zoom and I want to introduce you guys to Mr Eric Winter. How are you, buddy good Man? Thank you for that intro that was that

was pretty spectacular. Yeah, dude, I must know how men think. This is great. Happy to bring some knowledge. That's that's any For any of the females that know you, that know the name Eric Winter, know you as a model, know you as an actor. Um, they know, they're they're probably thinking if this was how women think, they'd be probably saying you are the most handsome man. But I'll just echo that statement and say that you're probably the most handsome man we have ever had on this show. So, um,

you started your career. I want to dig into your career a little bit. You started your career as a model. Correct? I did? I did? I was? You know I was. I was, believe it or not. I want to be a doctor. I was a pre med student at U c o A. Uh yeah. I started dating this girl who was working on this TV show Clueless that used to be around not the movie after the movie that was the show, and she was like a recurring on there and she had we met and she said, why

don't you modeled, interacting or do anything? And that you know, I don't know. I'm pursuing to be a doctor. So give me some pictures of yourself. I want to submit with some friends of mine and see if they can help you out. I was like, okay, so I'm, you know, standing in my backyard and underwear like in front of an old shed. Takeyas that I that I sent her, and I got lucky enough to get a manager who then got me an agent fairly quickly, and um, it's

starting to become a profession. Within like a year, I booked Tommy Hill figure campaign and then it became a job. At that point, I didn't become a doctor. I never became a doctor. And then all of a sudden, you're doing pictures with Britney Spears. Yeah, not a bad dig my man. No man. It evolved from there. Yeah. I went from acting the commercials and then uh, I got like a big acting break doing a soap opera, Days of Our Lives for one contract, which is a few years.

And then I've hopped all over you know, film and television and currently doing the show The Rookie on ABC. It's been great right on. And then also in The Good Doctor. So did some of that did you get to fulfill? Like some of you are just missed out on dreams? Bye bye? That like acting in that series, believe it or not, I've played a doctor like five or six, the best fake doctor out there, dude, do do it? Catch me if you can go into some hospital.

And I actually don't advise this because you know, out of respect for the medical profession, but like you could probably pull off and catch me if you can. Where he goes in and acts like a doctor even though he has no certifications for it. It's it's funny. It's funny. I was able to fulfill that aspect of my life, you know, hypothetically. Um, and it's been it's been cool, man, I've been very fortunate. Um. What do you which one do you enjoy more? The modeling side of it or

the acting side of it. You know. The one thing about modeling that was for me always the most fun is I'm I love to travel. So modeling gave me like a free ticket to travel all over the world. And and it was something you know, it always felt so I don't know, like you're a model, and it was like hey, you know, just the sound of it. But it was fun to sort of be out there

and meet all these different people. I mean, living in Europe for six months, you know, chunks at a time and just hopping on trains and jumping all over and between jobs. So for me, it gave me the best opportunity in the world to travel. It made it very

difficult for school. I had to drop out of school and then go back to school to finish UM because being UM, I was a psychobiology major, and so being on the biology side of it, you know, you have these lab practic comes and these things when you go to the teacher and say, hey, I gotta go do a photo shoot and start dinya, is it okay if I just missed this test and I'll come back and make it up. And she'd be like, no, you're not gonna roll around. But I rolled around from the girl

on the beach. Come on us, teachers, just like, only if you bring me um that is I agree with you. Though. Any profession like I was a professional athlete, professional hockey player, any profession that provides you travel is that's such a blessing, Like we get to do what we love, get to do something that you really enjoy. But then the added benefit of traveling and seeing different cities, cultures, countries, it's such a blessing. So especially at that time in life,

you know, I'm in my twenties, it was amazing. It's sort of be free and just jumping all over the place and in place I never thought I would go in my life. Because you know, modeally will take you to random location. Do you have like your go to pose and you go to look, do you still have a move And there's always a good catalog you know, just hands in the pocket, ah, looking down. We have

with our you have with us. You guys can't see it because you guys are listening in your cars whatever, but we have with this producer Tori, and Tori just melted there when Eric went into these two. And now she's bussing you. You have like a repertoire. It's funny. It's a standard joke. And you put you in your catalog shooting because you're just standing in front of a cameron that it's cluick click click click click, and you're just wearing the same thing and and you're just jumping

different poses. You always have like your one two hand in the pocket, look down, look up, look besides smile grin series, Hey, just Rocas looks. It's so shallow, dude. I never know what I'm doing when I have to do like a red carpet and they're like stand like, I'm like stand here and take a photo. I'm like, oh my god, Like what am I doing? Gavin Gavin Degras always does this one. He shoots the gun, he points, he puts the figure out, and then it's just like

me laughing at Gavin. We're both insanely awkward. I'm not sure why we're why we're on this car, but just take a photo of us as we walk by. But I always find it weird when um, and you probably get this a lot when somebody's like can I take a photo of you? And it's not can I take a photo with you? It's of you and you're like, um, what, you just want to take a photo of me? What am I supposed to do here? Yeah? Like you get in the picture. So we're one thing that drives you mad,

and I can I get it. But like you get like fans that will come up to you and they're like, Wow, where do I know you from? I'm like, well, if you don't know that at the point of having this conversation, I can't go through a rescue man thing where you might know me from somewhere. We got a picture of you. I know I know you from somewhere. I guess you don't. I guess you don't. What do you do? What do

you do? And I said, they just want the photo anyway, They're just like, yeah, come to me sometime and then I'll upload it. And I got a picture with that guy. Do you get that with sports too, because I mean I'm a funding but anything with me and I was never and even being in his business as an actor, I don't get start struck very often with actors. With athletes, that's like my jam because I'm a frustrating gonna played sports my whole life. But I obviously didn't go pro.

That wasn't you know, my destiny to go that far. But for me, meeting athletes was always like my big Oh my god, that's so and so that's you know that. So you know, you deal with the same thing all the time, and it's you know, be there like oh I love you for this this, you know whatever, you know, team you're playing out the time or whatever the thing is in hockey, and it's an awkward and uncomfortable but flattering thing all at once. You're doing what you love.

These people are obsessed with you, dude, as a as an athlete, I like fanboy over musicians. Oh really that's my life. I that's funny. I love musicians like just I think they're so talented and just I love music. So much music is just it's it's in my soul. And I played piano, I played drums, I played guitar. Not well enough to be in a band in any

of those, but I just I really enjoy those as pastimes. Um. And so every athlete wants to be a musician, and every musician that I've got to know over the years is like, oh, man, I'd rather be an athlete. You what you guys do is so cool. I'm like, come on, man, we both perform and sold out arenas, but nobody hits you guys. You know, like you don't get beat up every night, and you get people cheering your name all the time, versus half the time we're playing in a

way arenas and I'm getting booed all night. I was like, I would rather be a musician. Um. But I also think the musicians. And one thing I've always thought was like that has to be the ultimate platform in a way, like if you're are on stage, you know, eighty thousand people or something just singing your song you wrote and they're all looking at you and you're a solo act. I mean that rush of adrenaline of taking a step back and being outside your body and going, wow, I

accomplished this. That's pretty wild. Yeah. And what I what I like about that profession too, if you look at it on the macro, you can be a musician the rest of your life. Like, one thing that I really miss being on the retired side of professional sport is walking into a stadium of like jumping on the ice with twenty thousand people screaming. I missed the the magnitude of a stadium feeling and everybody focused on what you're

doing on the ice. And as a musician, you can do that through your athletes were probably done in our thirties most of us, um, and late thirties if you're lucky and then but a musician can do at forties, fifties, sixtiesies like and and that is just such a gift to be able to do that. Um. But did you did you stopped sports? Have you taken up other sports? Like you do? You know so many athletes take to golf for it. I think it's like the hardest sport

for every athlete that they won't have accomplished. You know, golf. Do you have a thing that you do? I've I've taken Yeah, I've taken up CrossFit more seriously because I've always loved the I've always loved the physical aspect of hockey and physical training. I've always loved It's been a part of my life since I was thirteen, and so I need that in my like for my soul to be expressed. I need that intense physical activity and challenge.

And I also just believe in a healthy lifestyle. But I love cross fit because it's every sort of movement there is. You're gonna do powerlifting, Olympic lifting, you're gonna do endurance, you're gonna do speed, you're gonna do gymnastics, walk on your hand, pull ups, muscle ups like it's it's touching on every component of fitness, not just strength

or not just endurance. And so I love the variety of it all the I love the pursuit of what the human body can do, and the variety within CrossFit is the best that I've ever found, and that's why I've fallen in love with that sport. So kind of heavy into that and I love it. Um. But I I will say um, I am jealous of those who can adele and those who can act dude, because because truthfully, if you ask somebody to model or to take a photo, it's very difficult. What I was just speaking of, I

was like, I don't even know how to stand. But even even further to that, acting is one of the I think, one of the absolute most difficult professions there are to be able to convey. When I think about it, if I'm going to act, the reason I don't act as is I want I can't, but also to like, I don't know how to get outside of being myself.

I don't know how to mentally put myself into this mindset and mind frame of being somebody else and then conveying beliefs and thoughts and emotions as that person when I'm not that person, which is what the actors and actresses do. And so I tip my cap to you guys, my friend. Did you have that natural sort of acting ability as in your youth? So did you have to

develop that as you got older? I it was more of a you know, I always think with any profession when it gets into like at a professional level, there's like a gift that you have, whether it's been tapped or untapped at whatever point in your life. Right like for a pro athlete to make it that far. You had it in you. It's just a matter of when it was tapped and it expressed itself and came out

and you fulfilled it and you nailed it. So I think I've had aspects of it in my life, but I wasn't pursuing it through high school or I was never in drama. I was never chasing after it as a dream. Like where my wife that was what she wanted to do her whole life. She knew dance or performer her whole life. Um, so I was afid. I put sports, hope did all that. I started taking drama on colleges for fun, like an elective. Just I needed

needed an elective. That was it. And as I got started modeling, I said, you know what, I want to start reading acting book. She started meeting different people are doing commercials and doing this at it, so I wanted her studying back and looking at those and I started taking various classes. And the hardest part is getting out of your your own head and getting in your way right, like trying to clear your mind and ignore everybody that's

staring at you. Why I would think Peter is one of the most difficult of all the acting practices because everybody's looking at you. Just live and if you spep on you, there's no take too, there's nothing right. Much

larger crowd than on the set, and uh. I remember going through a couple of acting classes and being in one in particular where I had like this really heavy sort of scene with this girl and it was like an early acting class and she had been in it longer and we're free with everything, and we're having this makeout session on the couch, which is also weird in front of a lot of people you don't know, and

we're making out of the couch. She pulls my shirt up, struck biting on my nipples on one like, how is it happening? And in my mind, I'm going to get out of your head, get out of your head. Just keep active, just keep active. But I'm going everybody in classes staring at her biting on my nipples. So that was one of my first experiences. I'm going, Okay, if you want to do this, you better start to, you know, remove yourself from the process. And I don't even know, Yeah,

how do you do that? Like how do you even separate? Do you separate mind from body? And that or I don't know, it's just super weird. When you start enjoying it, you're like, well, it's girls kind of hot and she's biting my nipple. But everybody's watching me right now. This is even also weirder. So you're trying to like and if you're not into it a little bit, then it's then you can tell me you're asking right. You kind of gotta be into it. Oh man, um it is

a true man, it is a true art though. Like but some of the performances you see and most of us are probably watching more TV now than than we have in a while. But um, I credit you guys, and because you you're able to convey and make us believe that what is going on is real and true in your life as a performer and being able to

translate that. Like you said, I think it's maybe easier to translate that live in theater is maybe easy, but you guys translated through digitally through a screen, which I think is even more difficult to Um. So I don't know, just kudo, see man, I have imagine for anybody, any honestly truthfuly, any model or anybody that can act, because

those are very very difficult. Um, professions. Your favorite part about it the adrenaline rush you definitely get when you're getting into a character and putting that character on its feet and you're in the performance. That adrenaline that can build up in certain roles is the best part about acting.

There's no question when you are becoming that character in those moments and you're when you're fully in a scene and there's like a thing I call it, you know, when it clicks, like when it clicks in your mind and you're out of what you how you think, and you're out of the environment and you're in that feelings an incredible feeling. So can I ask you a question along with that? So that because that for me, I agree with everything you're saying and I understand it, but

I don't I'm not able to make that connection. Like for me personally, um, like if I can athlete would be like if you're in the zone, like your zone as an athlete, and you know, like you're on fire, like whatever you're doing that that that game, you're you're stopping everybody, you're doing this, you're hitting that goal, hitting whatever it's you when you're in a zone, and obviously

you can have off days, and you can act. You you you can have better performances and worst performances, and the differences is we could save by an editor who can cut it together and make it still look great. Yeah, you know, it's a flow state. We say it's a flow states like that. Yeah, same thing. So, but what I want to ask you is how how do you make it? How does it become so important to you to tell this other story? That's the part where it's

a disconnect for me. I think that's the one of the reasons why I won't ever be an actor is I don't have the desire to tell another story aside from my own. And maybe I'm a selfish human being in that regard, or I just like living my own story. But what I respect and admire about you guys is you have the unselfish desire to tell the story of another being. And it looks like you, but it's not

actually technically your life. But you are doing the work, and so I just want to understand if you can eric like, why that's so important to you to tell this story of this character. So there's there's like two fold answer to that. There are those characters where it's a personal challenge and the escape from yourself is really fun. So, for example, the role are you doing now on this show? The rookie? It's unlike a role I'm not. It's not

a role I would normally get. It's it's the character is very far removed from my personality, my type of person everything, And to the point that I had worked with these people before, the pilot director and the producing you know, the producers, and they didn't think I was right for the role. They're like, you're you nice, You're two nice a guy, like you're a good guy, and you're not this guy. This guy is an asshole. And

I'm like, mom, I'm my guys, it's acting. I can play this role like, this is the challenge, this is what I want. So being able to hone in and make that character for myself and develop it and you know, build it out and play this guy that's so far removed from who I am. Not necessarily a guy's life that I you know, admire, so to speak, but something that's still removed from me. I was able to go do that and be something I'm not and push myself

to the ms degree and it paid off. And it was like that personal challenge is what made it so

cool for me. That would be one reason to tell that story, right, And then the other the other thing is you come across scripts or you come across material where you either totally relate to that person as an individual or you don't have any idea of what they've gone through with their struggles and their life, and you're like, that is something I would love to share with a bigger audience because that is so and it's so compelling, Right,

It's so cool to know that that's something I can share. Dude, That's that's amazing. I see it. Like I wanted to ask you that because I wanted you to like sort of change or help me change my perspective on on that. But that both of those are amazing. My question to you is do you do you find with the first one? You're playing a character that you don't that isn't naturally you, You don't agree even possibly with this character. Do you find any sort of natural conflict with yourself? Like, oh,

I'm really not proud of this. Like what if your character had to you know, had to commit a crime or do something completely foul that you were just you, just in your real life vehemently against. But then your career you go and you portray that. Is there any internal conflict with that? Like with my current character, there has been. There have been moments where nothing that I would say would be more of like fun to try and act the way he's acting. That's not anything I've

been super against. But for example, I had to I read recently for this a Ted Bundy movie, and there's a guy like everything in the material was horrific and I have, you know, two kids, and I have a daughter, and I'm reading everything and there was a moment where I was like, I just can't even go in for this. I can't. I don't think I can muster it in myself to try and portray this guy. But then there

is the after side of me. But I also like to say, like the athletes side of me that makes me want to challenge myself and be like no, no, no no, you can do it. You can do it. Yeah, it's acting, it's acting, and get into that place of where you need to be in order to tell this guy's broken life. And it struggled, even though I have zero compassion for the him being that he was, but like trying to dig it and create it. It was weird. It was scary in a way because you're going down this path

being super uncomfortable. And then yeah, and then and then also your wife will watch it, your kids it some day, we'll see it, your mom might see it. Friends will see it, and they'll see you, like visually, they'll see the person they know and love acting as somebody completely different with these different words and different actions that are

maybe repulsive. And and for us that aren't actors, that's sometimes difficult and confusing to see the person that you love and the way you know them as somebody else on a screen and you're like, oh, like totally yeah. It's it's weird being on this side of it too, when you know somebody in the business. Yeah, I'm on a good doctor. I put a guy that was sexually harassing a nurse, you know, and like it was never would PV network television, But we didn't get that far

that bad. But it's still not anything I would practice. And again, being a dad and being a you know, to a daughter, it's it's it's it's sad to see these things that go on out there, but and you find a way again to find those increep those challenges as an actor within your craft and it's fun to push it and no, okay, it's it's telling somebody's story and maybe it's bringing awareness for some people to look out for something like you don't want to be like

that guy? Yeah, I get you. Yeah. Um. So the fact that your wife, Rosalind Sanchez, who is also an actress, is in the industry, does it do you guys have these discussions about a role prior to that And is it actually easier for you because she'll understand maybe the conflictions that you're having or your dilemma heading into a project. Yeah, definitely. Like for the Ted Bunny one, we talked at length about that because I was having a lot of issues internally about if I wanted to go in for this

or not. So we talked about um and in general, we you know, well most things are on the table, but we'll talk about things as well, where like, let's say she has a role and it involved it involved a lot of nudity or something and be like, are you sure you want to do that? I mean, I'm not crazy about your doing it, but also you have kids and your mom now and are you comfortable like you said with them seeing this or knowing that that footage is going to be out there. Yeah, that's something

you're okay doing. And I think at a at a point in her life, she might have been like, no problem, and now it gives it a second thought of going, Okay, do I need to show so much? I have a voice. I don't have to do what I'm not comfortable doing. The conversation that can be had, so we we try and talk to those things out. For sure, that's got to be helpful having somebody that understands that side of it, um,

because those are those are real life decisions. Um. Yeah, being married doing actress is absolutely crazy because we're we're nucky people in that regard. But there is the helpful side of the person understanding what you do for a living. And it's totally different than if I'm just married to some I'm just going throw it out there a school teacher and I'm out shooting and I'm making out with all these women on a show, and she has to know that I'm doing that and it's just acting. It's

not anything, nothing's gonna happen. Everything is cool. But because she can be in that position and she's do we know things too, there's understanding of like I know exactly what's happening on that, I know exactly what it feels like, I can relate. It's all good. Yeah, amazing, awesome, dude, thanks for that insight. That's um, I'm fascinated by that world.

Just I admire and respect you guys so much for honoring the craft and the the work and the intent that goes into That's why I wanted to ask these questions, because there's so much more that goes into the the project than what we just see come across on the screen. And actually living into the actor's story behind why they wanted to portray this um character is actually really fascinating

for me, So thank you for sharing some light on that. Um. We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna be back with more from Mr Eric Winter right after this. Back from break. This is how men think. My name is Brooks like and we have Mr Eric inter with us, and during break we discovered our excellent, amazing producer Tory. I was wondering why Eric's audio was a little muffled.

I guess it sounded bad the whole time, right, How wonderful does he sound right now, just say something, brother, Let's just give us a how howdy an the first time on how men think? And I sounded like the whole time. At least we corrected it halfway through. But you guys listening can't see this. But Eric has this gorgeous, glorious beard, and he had air pods in and his air pods were kind of like scratching into his beard a little bit. And because this thing is so glorious,

it dampens all the sound. Um, there's the problem. I'm not I'm not usually a beard guy, especially not this thick of a beard guy. This is a this is new territory for me, so I'm not figuring it out. You should be a beard guy because it looks incredible on you do it. Thanks, man, I'm trying. I'm trying to catch up to your beard. I want to get there. I got to hear about that story because that's listening times a length of mine. Let's talk about yours versus.

You're traditionally not a beard guy. You're usually a clean shaven guy. I'm always a scruff guy. I don't like to clean shave. I like to have something some facial hair. Um, but usually at this point I've gotten already irritated and I'm like it's tickling my lip or it's bugging me here, and I've I've given up and I've shaved it. Or also with acting, you know, it's it's specific to a

degree on how I look. So a certain role might come up and I was like clean, you know whatever, certain lawyer, and I might think, Okay, I got a shave for this this audition or this role. Yeah, like on my current show, Um, I should be completely clean shaving because I'm a cop. Uh. We cheated a little bit because it's TV cops, so I had a little bit of stubble. But I could never rock a beard like this because as an l APD officer, you can't

have a beard. Yeah. Ah man, I played for a team one time my first twelve years in the NHL. We could do whatever we want with our facial hair did not matter. So that's one thing I loved about hockey is I never had to shave. My dad ship He was a principle. He shaved every single day of his life, and I was just like, I just don't think I can ever shave every day in my life. I prefer not to shave. So I played twelve years one way, could do whatever I wanted with my facial hair.

All of a sudden got traded and the very next day I had to cut my hair because we weren't allowed any hair showing outside of our hockey helmet, and I had to shave. Their like clean shaven, and the New York Yankees are like this, or they at least they used to be. I don't know if they still are. You had to be clean shaven, So I hated it.

When I played in Toronto, I hated the fact that our management made us cut our hair a certain way and be clean shaven every single day, and not an NHL thing strictly management that was strictly that organization saying you had to do that directly and only that organization. It was the only one in the NHL that governed what players can do with their hair and face, and

it piste me off. I hated it. Yeah, especially when it's get your expression and what you're doing and how you feel, and you know, even sometimes it might make you feel just different as a player when you go out there, mentality, whatever, you know, big time, dude, if you see me like if if you see me now with this four months patch of of Idaho brush on

my face. Um, if I'm lining up to you, lining up next to you on the ice, maybe you're a newer guy in the league or something, and I'm looking at you like this, and I got stern eyes and I'm leaning into you, breathing on you, talking in your ear, trying to like tell you I'm gonna rip your head off or something. It's different when you facial hair on. I just have this beautifully shaved face. Like, Yeah, you

can't convey the same message. You can try. But when a guy lines up and he's got a badass beard, you just immediately think this guy is tougher. You just makes perfect sense. Wow. I never thought about that though. Yeah, I so right now is the longest in my life that I've ever had beard. My beard is probably if I would pull a hair out, it's probably like two to three inches. Um. Probably, what's your goal. You're gonna go through full quarantine until you shave or what? What's

your what's your plan? I have no idea, to be honest. I just like two months ago I kind of got lazy and just didn't shave it. And then I'm like, well, it's actually pretty long. I wonder, like, just let it go and see how long it gets. And then we got into quarantine and now I'm like, it really doesn't matter now, and so then it hit a point where it was the longest I've ever had it in my life,

so I just kind of let it go. Um And last week we did a poll on our how men think Instagram, and of our listeners voted that I should shave it. So apparently it's not that visually appealing. But producer Tory and producer Danielle are on my side. They say, don't shave it, go for it, go for it. Yeah, Big fan Tour. Do you like facial hair on a man? I do. I will say I think I prefer Eric's length right now, then maybe Brooks, But that doesn't mean

I'm against all facial hair. I just think that if I'm looking at you too, I think the length of Eric's is good. But I think it just shows like manliness on both ends, so I like it. I'm like, that's a strong man right there. I have no chance in this isn't he's a model. You're comparing me against a professional model, an actor, or I have no chance in this fight. Hey, you guys are both equally good looking biased opinion, and I genuinely do think your your

beards look great. I will say this, so Eric, yours is how long? Would you say? Yours is like? Maybe I stop? I stopped shaving when we've wrapp how long is it? Yeah? Inch? Maybe quarters of an inch? And tak you need to grow it. I'm a slow grower when it comes to facial hair. This is like, uh, I wrapped March six, So since March six? Okay, so now so a few months? Yeah? Um, does your wife like it? She loves it, She likes a lot. It's

actually been shockingly pretty well received. I've had, you know, as I post things on social media for whatever, people are like the beard, the beard. I love the beard, and my agents are actually like, you gotta keep the beard. You gotta keep the beard. I was like, I don't know how long, but for a little while, I think it looks outstanding, dude, and you you Because there's some guys who grow beards. There's an art to like manicuring beards. I should do like a YouTube video on this too,

because there's guys that just grow it. And they let everything go um and then it just kind of looks scraggly and it doesn't. And I'm getting to that point, so I want to hear your art because I don't well like cleaning up the cheeks a little bit like so, because you'll get scraggly hairs up up higher on the cheeks, but cleaning up a nice line of the cheeks underneath the neck, so it's not just growth everywhere under the neck. There's certain areas there's a line that you clean up

under the neck. And then also what I do with mine is on the sides of the mustache to to so that the mustache doesn't just blend right into the cheap beard side. I shave a little bit just on the side of the mustache just to like give a little shape so it comes down on the cheek line. Shave in here a little bit. And then the key one is under the lip, under your bottom lip, on the sides, shaving a little patch on both sides just

to give some space and a little more definition. And I learned that one when I got a shave in Paris. I was at this awesome hotel, Hotel Creon in Paris um and I forgot. I went to Europe for like a couple of weeks and I forgot my buzzer. Am I like my hair, my face? I'm like, how did I forget that? Anyway, So I went down to the lobby and I got this lady in this lobby, this beautiful hotel. It's a Rosewood hotel, really amazing hotel. And

she gave me the best shave of my life. And she taught me so much about this about shaping and grooming a man's beard, so that there's a you convey this like this maturity and this poise and this strength through the beard. And so I can't I can't remember what her name was, but I thank her for so much of that knowledge. Do you use like the oils and all that kind of stuff? I did. I I didn't bring it with me to my lake house, but

I used to. Yeah, because I get really scraggly and really and then it looks bad and that also feels bad. So I do use a beard oil. Um, it softens it and makes it feel better. And then also your beard just doesn't go out to the side. Yeah, so that's what happens, Like you get these scragglers that grow out. Do you clip those? Are you supposed to keep brushing

those down? Now? So I brush them down. And then also on the sides, so when your beard starts to grow out horizontally, I'll take a buzzer and I'll trim the side down, especially up by the job bone, like the cheekbone, um, close by the ears. I'll trim that down, and I'll trim it and guide it so that it becomes longer down at the chin, so under the chin, I'm not trimming, but on the sides of the face

so it doesn't just sprout out. Trim nose down and keep those kind of tighter so it makes your face kind of longer, and and points the beard downward versus pointing the beard straight out to the side straight out. Screams like Lumberjack. To me, I feel like we're going in a different directions, like the whole rounded you know, dude. Two days ago, this is true story. Two days ago, my uncle was out here helping me do some yardwork out of my lag house and it was hot as hell.

I had my shirt off, just pants on, boots on, I had my shirt off, I had work gloves on, and I um face was just messed up. We were moving. We probably moved like ten fifteen thousand pounds of rock, just just a mess. And um face was muddy and dirty, sweaty, and I had to grab a sledgehammer to break up some rock. And he goes, wait, this is too this is too good because shirtless dude, sweaty, muddy face, big beard, just a mass, gloves on, sledge hammer over the shoulder.

He's just just taking these pictures. He's like, I'm holding these is like ransom against you. Like, dude, that is so freaquent, stereotypical. Don't ever let that see the light of day. Um. But he goes, he goes, at least you didn't pose this shot, brother, And I was like, this is real truth. That is funny. Yeah, but I like having a beard, man, I think you should keep yours. I'm enjoying it. I'm gonna try some of these tips, probably uh this weekend and try and shape up the sides.

I'm gonna see what I can get into without screwing it up. I know something that did start trying to do that and they screwed it up. It took off like half the beard. Then you're done, buddy, I've done that. I have done that before. So I don't like how I look when I don't have a beard, like clean shaven. I really don't like that look. I'll be like you like, I'll shave down to like just a light scruff, which

Tori you said you like. Um. But one time I think I was like, I think I had a date or something and I was like, oh, I'm gonna clean this up. I'm gonna clean up, make a nice little shape here, and I just actually went and I'm like, oh God, no, oh dear, i gotta shave my face because I can't go like this. It's over confidence. Out the windows of work. Put in just gone the side

of the hand. Yeah, I have a question, Um, boys, this is going to get maybe a little personal, But how do you feel when a female has more, um like, unshaved parts versus being more natural? Do you if you get what I'm saying, if you girls more natural down there, let's say, like hairy legs or like kind of just

like goes more natural. I mean, let's specifically like down there, if a lady doesn't really trim it up, how do you feel or do you I also hear opposite where guys don't like it when a girl is completely clean down there, because I feel like it's kind of like she's too young, feeling almost. But what's the feedback on that? Free? What an interesting question you want to answer for I'm letting you go with that, bro. Look, I am all for good uh grooming down below. I think it's better

for the overall experience. I think it's better all overall visually. I think groom it up look clean. Um, I don't. I'm not saying it has to be squeaky clean, like nothing, nice little landing strip. It's great. Um, But I think you go. I think letting ship get all crazy and wild free it is not. It's too much. So I just echo all of what he said there. And it also shouldn't be growing down to the thighs from there. And you know, it shouldn't be brave, not today's age.

Um Um, I A are it will say, Also, though I'm I'm totally up for freedom of expression. I was in a yoga class the other day and not the other day. I've been in Idaho for six weeks or something, but I was in a yoga class a couple of months ago, and this lady in there had hairy armpits and what And I'm just like, I didn't, I did not care. It's I hadn't seen. I think that was the first time that I've really fully seen that in public.

You see it in like photos or something on the internet, but I think that was the first time i'd really been She was like five feet away from me. Um. And so I am fully on board with freedom expression. It's her body. She can do whatever she wants, and it makes no difference to me. But it was just the first time that I had kind of seen that well. And I would agree with you on that front as well. I think people should feel feel as comfortable as they want to feel and look how they want to look.

It just wouldn't be my cup of tea. If if I'm like, we're playing deal Breaker and some girl came up and she's like she's smoking hot, but she's just got like armp and hair blasting out, I'm out. I don't think I can get into it. Yeah, I really

don't think I could. We we had this saying in hockey, um, look good, feel good, play good, and so I would play much better if she had no hair in her Armits tory what about what about you for a man, Like, okay, facial hair, so you like kind of some facial hair and and like semi groomed facial hair, but like, what about the rest of a man's body, like a hairy back or hairy arms or hairy leg like or or not grooming his parts? What about not grooming his parts

a little bit? I do like some semi kept up groom parts. I don't I don't need it like kind of you guys said squeaky clean, but I do like it to feel like I'm not getting into the weeds of things when I'm down there. Um. But I will say I would prefer a hairy man versus the awkward

shaved man. And I don't mean when it's like clean, but when you start feeling a little bit of the bristles come back or the awkward grow out period, I would rather you just be natural than have that awkward stubble where you're like, I can start testing You're like, why do I feel like these are my shaved legs that I haven't shaved in like a couple of days.

Like I don't like that. Um. Question for both of you, do you think personal grooming has kind of gone out the window during this quarantine time, but when there is no one I have to hold me accountable. So uh yeah, I think that'd be a big part of it, right Like I I think it's gone out a little bit, but then yeah, I've still got to maintain enough in my household. Yeah, I mean, you're with your quarantine with

your wife and kid. I get it. But I think in general, um, a lot of people have kind of like some people some people have talked to, have really liked this phase where they can try. Like you said, Eric, you can try also just because your career not not acting right now affords you the opportunity to try growing a beard where maybe for professional reasons you couldn't. So a lot of people right now are experimenting with different things. People are dyeing the hair different color, um, trying all

these different things that maybe they couldn't before, which I like. Um. The one thing that I hate about right now about having not had a haircut in two months, one my hair looks awful, but to my eyebrows are so freaking My eyebrows go grow so fast. And Jill Buck is my hairstylist in l A. Jill, I miss you. So much because Jill always trims up my eyebrows and it's

like even I'm like, I can't even see right now. No, I'm going to get some some scissors out and like cut my eyebrows because they just go so so freaking I am with you on the haircut part too. I miss not getting the haircut regularly because that's I like having tight sides and being cleaned up and I oh, my hair is so thick that it just becomes mine too, And there's for me, dude, there is something so therapeutic about getting a haircut. It's like my favorite thirty minutes

of the month. Yeah, like when Jill cuts my hair, I'm just like, I'm just like, it's the most relaxing, therapeutic thirty minutes. I absolutely love it. I understand like why why women go to the hair salon thousand times. This is actually a great transition because Amy, Danielle Um and I all wrote up questions to ask you guys, and so one of them was the least favorite thing about this whole self quarantine thing happening um, which I'm just gonna label that as your guys lack of hair cuts.

And then we're gonna go. What's your favorite part of actually being stuck at home? These are rapid fire to keep responses quick because we've got a few more to get through. Go ahead, Eric, favorite favorite part about being home has probably been just the down I mean, the family time, the down down family time, just hanging out and everybody being the other. Mine. That's awesome, dude, I love it. Um. I love that you have a wife and a boy and a girl. I think that's just so.

I'm not a father, but I can't wait to be there one day. So UM, I think it's just so cool. That's got to be just so much fun. Um. Mine is uh spending time outside like I've been outside just pouring the tory. We've talked abou this on the podcast. I'm up at lake house, um, and I've just been pouring love, literally pouring love into my property and shaping it and sculpting it. Um for generations, for to host family, to host family and friends and people out here at

this magical spot that means so much to me. I want to be able to share that and have them feel an emotion of love and beauty and nature when they come to the lake House. That's awesome. Fifteen years together from two different countries and very different points of view about well pretty much everything to bringing you, he said. We talked about so many things, and yeah, most of the time we don't agree, but hey, we make it work.

Join us and be a part of this crazy and beautiful adventure called listen to, he said, adio on iHeart radio, app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast ros best pickup line a girl I can say to a guy? Oh wow, Eric, you get more of those than I do on the spot. You know, here's one that I always loved. Um. I don't know if it's a girl can say to a guy, but it was. It was a pickup line that at least at least made me laugh. Um,

can I at least get a wrong number? It's just like kind of like, hey, can I at least get a wrong number? It just kind of breaks they that's good. Oh, I'm gonna struggle with this and I don't know, uh best, I mean, just in general, Uh, I don't have a funny one. I would just say. I've had girls saying hey can I can I buy you a drink? And I think, to me, that always feels like wow, that's so. I'm almost taking it back and shocked at first, Like

you want to buy me a drink? Yeah, hell yeah, I'll hang out with you and have a drink and it just we start chat. I see that. Um there's another good one. Um. I've never seen a I've never had it happen to me, but I've seen guys do it. Um. So like say Eric and I are at a bar together, Tori, Um, say I would walk over to you and I'd be like, hi, Um, my name is Brooks, and do you see my friend over there, the guy with ruggedly handsome guy over there with the beard there, blue shirt. Well, he wants to

know if you think I'm attractive. That's great, So it kind of it's kind of just a little spin on what they think because usually probably girls, somebody will approach a girl and have them try and set them up with or have the guy try and set them up with a friend. But I like, I like to flip on the wing man, have to wring men at the distance and do your own. That's great. Let's spin it a little bit also and ask for the girls out there who are on Instagram more so than not ready

to slide into a man's d MS. What's the way to not to stand out but not be overly aggressive? Um? Wow, So here's one. Here's one that that I kind of that that's like, I don't know if I'm misinterpreting it, but let me just say it. Um, sometimes I'll get this because I read all my d m s because I try and respond to as many people and help people in as many ways as possible. Um, a lot of people reach out with health or fitness questions or just anything like that. I try and help my community

and as much as I possibly can. So I read through all of that stuff. Um, and that's what that's honestly the intent behind it. But sometimes you get stuff like that. And one that I seem to get that's a sly I actually kind of have respect for. It. Is like I love your pop, I have a lab two or what every would love to have a play date? You know, it's good, a relatable topic, something to bring it in. Yeah, they're kind of just like linking the dogs together but saying it's a play date for the dogs,

but is it a play date for us? Kind of thing, And I'm like, well, you know, I'm married. Um yeah, but so that's maybe just me misinterpreting it as a come on. Maybe they are just like, hey, you have an awesome dog. I want my dog to meet your dog. Um, maybe that's it, but I don't know, that's a that's a subtle, sly way that maybe I'm just like interpreting that way for my own vanity. You're getting what a no.

I I actually would would agree with that. I like the straight up just someone being honest and trying to relate to a you know, an interest that you both may share. But then right after definitely sent a hot picture out so we can get a good look this, Tori, I all send one back if if, if we're into each other one Tori. I have no idea how this is the least subtle way, but I have no idea why this happens. Like I don't know, I don't want

to say a lot, but this happens. You just get a message that just says hi daddy, and it's got like the tongue or something, and you're like, what the hell? What like no delete? It's not a question. I can't I can't serve your mission in some way. I don't know what you're doing here, but delete guys secretly kind of like to be called daddy. Oh no, I have a buddy. I have a buddy that loves it, like really just loves it. He just loves it. He just everything like that he loves but um no, not it's

not my thing. And then did daddy talk either? All right? Next question? Hold on, Tory, Can I ask you a question? How how would you subtly, but with like a hint of intent, slide into a man's MS. So I slid into someone's dams for the first time ever, let's hear it.

Can you tell the whole story? I don't even know how I stumbled upon his uh instead, but he plays football and I'm Christian and so he and he's like very open about his faith, and so I just said, hey, like super cool, like this photo, like would love to hear like your testimony because my dad found his relationship with the Lord in the NFL, Like, would love to hear how that happened to you. I never heard back. He hasn't seen it. But I also like, but I

don't know how to slide into dns. I've never done it. I'm like, do I send it if he hasn't seen it? But isn't that the hard thing when on Instagram because you could follow someone, if they don't follow you, then

your d M goes to like a separate box. So unless they regularly checked that other box, you don't know what's being written ever, right, So if you do, if you read all yours brook, you actually go and you put it into like general or primary like you shifted over right, you accepted, but you go into that other one and then from there I'll put into primary or general. You accept it and then then allow the dialogue. That's the thing. Should I follow him? Yeah, it won't. He won't.

You'll still be in that other box though, unless he follows you, then it will automatically move you into primary, So you should follow him. Mean, Primary is just the epitome of my dating life, Like that should just be my life title, like stuck in primary General? Okay. The last person you have texted, um, where's my phone? I don't even know where my phone is. Last person I texted was my cast? Yeah, my mine was my cast.

Because we're doing a home we're doing a home con like these comic con things, we're doing one that's at home virtually this weekend. Super cool um, Tory, Mine was to you and Danielle about this show. I said, hey, I'm on the call, can we jump on? Um? But previous to that, my buddy tran Um, it's like a brother to me. Corey was planning on coming up to the lake House here to rock and roll for a few days. So we were texting about that. No, no, no, no good ones. We have no juice for you on

that way, all right. I just think, Um, if you had to give up one thing for nine weeks, what would it be? Sex or working out? We're working out. I love working out. I love working out, but I love sex far more. Oh. I mean that's a really tough one for me, truthfully, like not to just be an idiot dude and just say yeah, I love sex, So yeah, I'd give up. Looking out is like very important to me. But I'm also I've been up at the lake House for i know, five six weeks, so

I've given up sex, you know. But if oh man, I'm trying to put myself if if both are readily available, so like saying I'm at home, um and you can work out or h and we're talking, let's make it even harder. No sex, No, masturbation or nothing. Nothing I was and then working out would mean I guess not even like picking rocks up in the backyard, like no exercise. I was gonna say, have you guys seen the show Too Hot to Handle on Netflix? No, I haven't seen.

I've passed through it, but I haven't seen it yet. So Tor, you've seen it, right, So it's it's no sex, no kissing, no no sexual touching, um you know, no masturbation, all that kind of thing. And they're supposed to try and do it for thirty days. So um posed with those two. If you went with those kind of um restrictions, Eric, I'd probably go on. I'd have to give up the working out you have working out? Yeah, but being married, what is the longest time you've ever gone without having sex?

I don't know, maybe like a few weeks, couple a couple of weeks. We're probably gonna fight part of it, probably, Um yeah, I don't know. M hm. Well, also if you're out of town, so I've been out of town for at least three weeks before, so then it's been

even longer than that. Yeah, if you're going with that, I mean I remember there was times of like not seeing um my wife for like five weeks, you know, just with when I was playing hockey and stuff, there was times where because I was playing in a different city that she was living. So um, yeah, I think that's kind of like almost I mean, that's just a different question for our careers a little bit. You know what else you got Tea that was the last one story?

Can we ask you a question? Of course? Will you publicly state this gentleman's name that you d M and and how can Eric and I put our full weight behind making this connection happen? Well, jeez, if we're going to do that, then I got to pick somebody good. Actually, I'm trying to like, I don't remember his name. Have you then? Have you since then? Sort of? Well, I guess your Your message to him was kind of unique, but have you since then? Just copy and pasted that message?

Copy this merriage sounds good. I'm just gonna roll this out to Hunter dudes and see what we end up with here, because I really don't slide into people's dams, but lately I've been like feeling a little lonely and probably a little horny, and so I'm, like I said, in this guy's damn. And then it didn't work out. So I'm like, well, is this the best tactic? So, but what would you do right now? In quarantine? So

he responds and he's like, I'm into this. Do you say, how long have you been away from have you tested yourself? Bring your coronavirus ass over here and let's look up what you do virtual date. I've always kind of liked a little bit of a rebel. So if he's willing to break some laws and rules and government regulations, kind of hot, so, so you'd invite him in. You do that full like gloves and masks, and you guys will start the date that way until you feel comfortable that

he's gotten would you temperature check? Oh? Man? Yeah, I guess we'd have to quarantine for fourteen days, Like you couldn't really do anything in that fourteen days. This is tough, you know, send this DM? You're right, no, don't. Don't you dare ever unsend that DM. I mean you could do the virtual date, which I've seen people doing there having like the zoom cocktail hour and talking. But then if you've also been feeling horny, what if it escalates

rather quickly? I mean, are you guys, I wait longer than fourteen days to do that, but I don't mind a little messing around. So fourteen days of zoom, bless you. Fourteen days of zoom, and then what happens? Are you guys like topless on the next zoom? Are you sure playing strip poker in the next zoom? What happens? Eric, he's not even responding. Alright, we're gonna get you there. We're trying to prep you for that moment. This is

what we do. We prep Tori. We prepped for the moment so that when the moment arrives, you arrive with it. I will try d m N a few more people. If I hear back, then I will come to you guys and ask for advice. Can we be on that first zoom? Absolutely? Five minutes? Persolutely? You can fleet them out for me my bigger brothers. Yeah, Eric, and I

will moderate these zoom calls. Um Uh, Tori, I have I find it hard to believe that you have now, just for the first time ever, slid into a d M I've never I mean, I've done like my friends. But um so here's a question for you, truthful question and for our listeners. For everybody listening. Why is there such a stereotype in this stigma behind that it's a negative thing to slide into somebody's d M. It's it's

saying hi and making contact with a stranger. We at some point everybody is a stranger, right if you meet like you and Rosalind Eric were strangers until you met in real life. You met in real life. Tor is meeting somebody digitally, Why is that any or perceived to be of lesser value or shady or whatever, then meeting somebody in real life when you're still both strangers and

this is just the first contact. I mean, my my guess is the reason it gets a bad rap is that people typically associated with you slid into a d M of somebody who's in a relationship, but you would never know really, Like, I've never associated that. That's the

first time I've heard that. It's the only reason I would think that it would be associated with any kind of negative thing, because I agree with you, like, but it's the difference of reaching out versus saying hi on the street and I don't I don't know you, or approach and saying hey, I'm so and so i'd like to you know chat whatever you're I'm in a relationship. But I think people often say, hey, slid into my DM and knowing that that person was in a relationship

and they tried to slide it. I get you, Okay, I never thought of it that way, but yeah, I see what you're saying, Tori. I think it's also most of the time guys are like commenting on like the bathing suit pick or like girls or like the shirtless guy. So it's more like thirst trappy than being like I actually want to like pursue a conversation with you. Hold on another term that I've never heard, thirst trappy. I've never heard that either. First trap, but I added a p,

so I heard of thirst trap. So any so are you saying that like say, say I was post my sledgehammer with no shirt and a rugged beard photo. That's thirst trappy? Yeah you know that. Um, the guy puts his hand behind the head and then like turns his torso a little bit in the mirror, and then it's like that ab pick in the mirror. Like that's the thirst trap. You're not just posting that to be like hey,

so happy like Mother's like happy Mother's Day. It's like He's literally posting a picture so that girls want to slide in his DN then he can get his hook up. Eric. I want to say thank you so much, dude for coming on um one. I want you back. You're welcome back any time. Um. We'll give all the other guys boots because you were fantastic. I always have to do all the talking in the leg work because Gavin's never prepared. We don't even give him the show notes. He has

no concept of what we're doing. So, uh, you're happy to take his chair. I'm just kidding, Gap. I love you, buddy, and I miss you, and Ryan, and Rick and Dmitri to Um, you are awesome Eric for people, UM, you're also a podcast host for our listeners. That's why you're so for our listeners. Where can people find your podcast? Our podcast is also with my Heart Radio and it's

called he said, ayad ho that's he said. She said the Spanish flip uh basically about my with my wife Rosalind and I and we tackle everything from our complete opposite perspective on life. I mean, we couldn't be more polar opposites with everything we often. I mean this sounds like a big trute of the horn. But it's not. But we people actually say, you guys are like the Ricky and Lucy in a way, but like opposite. She's the Latin Lucy and I'm more like Ricky in the

serious sense. And uh, we just talk about life and family and work and you know, relevant topics everything through our opposite lenses. It's a lot of fun. I appreciate that. I think, um, different points of views are very powerful within a relationship. They challenge you and make you grow and make you look at things outside of the way you see the world. Yeah, but it also it takes a strong person to be in that relationship because the

person you're opposite, your partner, isn't just always agreeing with you. Yes, that's one of the things. And we find that, I mean we disagree on a lot. I mean obviously not everything, because we can make it. We make it work. But we we have enough in common with our humor and laughter about the way we handle everything. Um, that keeps

it strong, keeps it fun. But when you talk to us about it, you know, all these other things and being such type a personalities both of us, you really see it come out in the podcast the way we riff on each other and it's it's just organic. It's who we are. So if you went on, yeah, you must some well work. I mean if you're in a partnership, obviously you you work together in life real well, um, but also you guys work together in career if you're

doing this podcast. And also you did a children's book, right, you did children We wrote a children's book together called Sabella and Atlanta Cha Cha Cha, which was based on our daughter. And it was a dance book because there's no there aren't kids books out there that aren't just ballet. This is about Latin rhythm, so it was incorporating ballroom

dancing into it. Man, Um, swee did that. We've produced movies together and and we actually came on on my show recently, The Rookie, and so we've we've partnered up a lot recently. It's been life. Yeah, that's gonna be that's gonna be a lot of fun to be able to do that. Yeah, it's been great. It's been great, and I really appreciate you having me on. Man, this is a fun podcast. And you guys, you've been you've been awesome. This is We'll have you back for sure.

Where can people find you? Where do you hang out the most? On social media? Where can people that want to get more of your story and also tune into what you're working on the series that you're on. Where can people find you the most? Um? Instagram at eb Winter, Twitter at Eric Winter one, and then of course at he said a podcast. Yeah, buddy, okay, my man, thank you so much for joining us. Do keep going with that beard. I'm here for you if you have any questions, Um,

keep going with that beard. It looks fantastic, and I wish you and your family the best of health and best wishes moving forward, and we'll see you back here on this show. My man. All right, brother, thank you the same. Thank you to our listeners everybody to take care out there, be safe until next week. Take care of one another, love one another, and we'll see you back here next week for another episode of How Men Think