Sex Ed Part 2

gonna to bring it back again in January. We're gonna do part two today, but we've been just bombarded with questions from you guys. Uh men at I Heart radio dot com is where you can send us her questions. And Amy is fired up because she received almost some hate mail. I hate when you guys hate on Amy because I love Amy and she's honest and she's opinionated, she's vulnerable, and you guys don't understand how hard that is to be in this community and on this platform.

And I give her credence for that. I can take it because I think we got thirty emails that said mouth stuff. That's That's also one of the reasons I keep coming back is just to hear you say mouth stuff and watch you laugh every time I say it. I can't say the words, but I'm working off. I know it's so funny. Okay, So, uh, last week's episode was sex episode. We answered your guys questions and the and the biggest polarizing topic that we had was is

porn cheating. Yeah, people really have opinions. People are really opinionated about that with their emails and their comments on social media. And read this one and then we can debate it. Okay, So here's one from an anonymous listener. I'm not sure where to even begin. First off, if you are okay with your significant other going to another person for hand or mouth stuff, then you're not secure enough in your relationship. It almost sounds like Amy is

just saying that to sound cool. I'm still young and I've been married for over a year and would have never been okay for my husband to go see someone else. That just opens up the door for an open relationship. And know, when you're significant other is watching porn, they aren't thinking of you. If they were, they wouldn't just try that, just go to you. Wouldn't they just go to you in the first place. Some of the comments

just sounded naive. I would love to hear another woman's comments who is in a serious relationship, So I have a few comments. Okay, First, everybody should email us or go on the Instagram and send us their comments. I did not say I was okay with other people doing mouth stuff. Just to clarify, what I said was I was okay with porn. If a dude wants to watch porn, I don't care. And two I will admit I did say if they went to like a full body massage,

I also didn't care. It was Dmitri, who isn't in here yet, who said his friend had a girlfriend that said it was okay to go to other people for mouth stuff. That was not me. But you didn't, didn't you. So in the full body massage you would say hand stuff, okay, fine, it just feels like as one of a massage. It's on the outside of your body. It felt okay, okay, So hand stuff when you pay for it, you're saying, is okay. Oh I like that you put the coveat of paying for it if you're not a lady of

the evening but a massus massage therapist. But what if what if it's hand stuff that the person is not paying for that feels weird. It's their own Okay, So here's what I thought of. Here's why I do not think porn is cheating. Okay, but I could be wrong. Like I'm very open to like hearing everybody's opinion because I could be wrong. Although I did ask the guy probably isn't thinking about you when they're watching porn. Probably in my mind, I'll pretend Game of Thrones. I've never

watched it, but I heard it's very like sexy sexy. Okay, I'm fine if you watch that, So why do I care if you're watching porn. It's just like a little bit more. Um, well, it's probably a lot more. I've never watched Game of Thrones. I'm trying to think of like more shows like that, but there's a lot of TV shows where it pushes it, and I'm fine with that. So that's where I came to on that. Okay, I don't know. I don't know how much Game of Thrones

shows because I haven't watched it. I saw one scene where some woman gave birth to like some dragons that flew out of the room, but my wife was watching and I walked in I'm like, no, I can't watch that, and then there's just there's so much has like let me think of I mean thirty Shades of Gray, but that's like for girls. I'm trying to think of like a movie that pushes it. I can't think of one emails them. But I'm okay with that. So I'm okay with porn. I'm okay with is definitely going to show

you visually more. I'm still standing strong on I'm okay with it, but I would like to if I'm convinced the other way I will be. I'll read every email and be open to it. As of today, I am totally fine if anyone wants to watch porn with me without me thinking of me, not thinking of me, I don't. I really don't care. By the way, that's completely okay.

We're gonna people are going to disagree. There's going to be in our people in our community that agree with you, and it's going to be people that disagree with it. Was like the olden days they could read Playboy I don't care, or read a book that's like saying you can't read like an erotic novel. I don't care, but I think okay, I get that part. I understand that part, and I think our community probably does. But it's when it comes to the paying for hand stuff. The full

body massage is very controversial, very controversial. People just have to email us and give us all the sides. Okay, So that is to our listeners paying with If your significant other went to a massage place and paid for a massage and ended up getting, as Amy would say, hands stuff at the end of that massage, is that cheating or is that not cheating? Great, it's a good question.

That's the questions of the community. So you can email us at men that I Heart radio dot com or find us on social How many think podcasts keep all the other questions coming because they are so amazing and people are like they have trouble with the words to the oh everyone emails and they just write the oh, you know what. I actually really enjoy these conversations because these are all things that people are thinking, all like this sex episode we just did and the one we're

going to get into today. The questions, more questions from the listeners. These are real and truthful in people's relationships, and so I want to dive into these. These are things we go through I go through in my relationship, and so we're trying to like set the weapons down here and have an open conversation about topics that usually are not discussed. So the doctor back and she is amazing and she exceptional. Yeah. I can't wait to have her in here again. Yeah, okay, you ready for sex

episode number two? Here we go. This is How Men Think? With growthsl and Gavin to grop and I heard radio Podcas asked, welcome to another episode of How Men Think. My name is Brooks like joined again with co hosts. You guys were so amazing last week co host Dmitri and Rick. What up in with us again? I mean to be invited back a second week As the title of co hosts, I know three whole host to co host, don't you have a host? I think you and I together are one. We have to This is really this

is really how men think. Right here, we're missing Gavin, we are missing Ryan, Ryan's dealing. Your voice changes every time we're missing Gavin. We're missing Ryan texted me that now he is projectile vomiting, has been vomiting for twelve his carpets wreck. But you guys were such stellar co host. I wanted to bring you back again, and I'm so proud of you for stepping up to it. And gentlemen, well you said you texted us and said more sex this weekend question, and now we were like, we're talking.

Now now I'm realizing all we get as a co host and but no, your co host sheriff Badges are on their way, so we'll get you those. But also on today's so we're gonna get into more sex on today's episode. Is gonna be a follow up to last week's episode, which was juicy um. And then also at the end of today's episode, we have two very special guests, three very special guests. And then also at the end of this episode, we have three very special, distinguished guests

with a extremely exciting new announcement. We can to talk about sex. That was one of them. She whispered in whispering about sex. She just and that's the cliffhanger. You're gonna have to listen to the whole show and come back at the end to find out who does. But super exciting announcement coming from some very fun people. At the end of the show, m Dr Viviana is here. I just want to acknowledge you like I'm learning so much.

And and because I want for everybody to feel sexually expressed and satisfied in their life that you are helping people. You keep saying, understand and talk about things and communicate things. Um, I want everybody to feel that way in their life and not to feel like they're missing out on anything. So it's so interesting because people ask me what it is that kind of got me into doing the work that I do with couples and individuals. I want people

to have options. I Ultimately, I don't want anyone to feel stuck, because life is too short for that, especially when you're trying to do it alongside someone else or more than one person. Well, and isn't life too short to not be exploring sexuality as Brooks refers to it. And what's great about it is that there's so much play area that isn't go to go into something that is maybe kinky or doesn't work with your spiritual beliefs

or doesn't work with your relational beliefs. There's so much fun that we can have the problem is it's funny because you said it earlier. I say sexuality because sexuality to me, and it should be for all of us, not intercourse. It is not just intercourse. When people only talk about sexuality in terms of intercourse, I kind of feel bad for them because you're missing out on just the playfulness, sexist play. I just think they're uneducated. Like

you said, you need to stay. If you want sex Friday, you need to start with Monday. And I just think that, like and living in your own sexuality, there's actually enjoyment there versus just receiving enjoyment in sex. And there are so many couples, long term, happy couples who may not be having sexual intercourse frequently, but they sure do have sexuality frequently, annual sex, having annual or mouth step. So um Brooks tease this up after the break, We're going

to talk about circumcision. Oh what I'm supposed to tease? You could just leave it at that. Dr Viviana is in studio with us. Dr Viviana coles in from Houston, and she's just been making it rain here with just amazing advice. Totally asked me paranoid over the fact that I texted my body, But I'm okay with it. I'm embracing its expert The internet is not it's okay. The internet is not forever. It's like the internet is like snapchat. He deleted it. He told me he deleted it. Then

he must have ye, no question about that. So um. The next topic that we want to get into, we'd like to get your opinion on Dr Viviana is circumcision. So what do women think about guys who are versus guys who aren't. Obviously this is controversial, um, and it has been for centuries, um, possibly even longer. Excuse me.

This is what I'll tell you about circumcision. We have to be okay with the fact that it's for vanity only because our bodies were made a certain way and you're taking something away, something that someone brought up earlier. Actually one of my cousins, he's smarty and he's a thoughtful person. He said, why do we see it any differently than female circumcision? And that blew my mind because we are all pretty I'm going to go ahead and look at all of you and say you're on the

same page. Female circumcision is not okay, So why do we do this? Really, it's when they remove part of the clatorus. So what mutilation? Right? Well, they call it mutilation, But how is it different than removing the foreskin from the relating the penis. People do see it that way, so we have to either be okay that it's for esthetic purposes only because studies show scientifically that there is no strong correlation one way or the other with health issues.

The Internet when I did research, says it's to prevent certain U t I s and men or this might have been in days of YR but and HPV and a couple other sort of disease preventions. So that is what is causing people to feel justified in doing so. Is that crap? It's it's crap because there's so many other reasons. You can you can teach our children, you can teach our boys and teach women how to handle

uncircumcised penises and the cleanliness and the hygiene all of that. Um. That is, it's not that it doesn't happen, but that is not going to prevent those things. Got it so again? And uh, you know, I have a little boy and I have a husband, and it was purely an aesthetic socio cultural thing in my culture, um meaning American because my Latino's I'm a first generation American Latinos don't tend to circumcise, right. I read that. It even said in America,

and I married a seventh eighth generation Texans. So I left that up to him because that's what I would have wanted if I was, you know, having to make a decision like that. But we had to come to terms with the idea that this is for aesthetics. We are changing and altering our son's body for possibly attracting a woman in the future. So or any of you willing to reveal what you are, I'm not circumcised. I am,

this is I am. Will you tell us more? Rick, you want to talk about the why, Well, my dad's not or you know my family and uh why, I mean, I don't think I know why, but I mean my what I did with my son was because we want to be the same. There wasn't any sort of it's vanity. So based on what Dr Vivian is saying about Vanity, Brooks and I have better looking penises than you, not at all. And then once I peel it back, and the truth is he has heightened sexual pleasure that the

two of you will never have understood. So we found someone who was circumcised and as an as an adult, I don't know why and said uncircumcised was color TV circumcised black and white. That is the difference because you, okay, obviously I'm for that guy. He is his feeling was way better before. Okay. So it's just like women with the clatorial hood. When you become aroused, the clatorius swells up and the clatorial hood retracts a little bit, right,

same thing when a man is erect. So all of a sudden, something that doesn't typically touch anything like underwear, pants, whatever is exposed, and so it's more sensitive. It just makes sense, like when you're driving in a convertible and you just peeled that top back and you're like, you're rick, did you ever have any like when you're in a locker room, any like insecurities about it? Or were you

pretty comfortable with it? Like you played water polo, so people obviously were like around, I mean, you're showering or whatever. I didn't really, to be honest, I didn't really think about it. I mean I noticed it um, and I don't think I was very I didn't feel insecure about anything.

It wasn't ntil like actually college when I noticed that somebody else, like everybody had was circumcised, so you know, but I didn't think in depth about it until college and everybody and then there were a couple of guys that were not circumcised, and I was like, it was kind of more like, oh yeah, yeah, like we have

something in common. But it wasn't like a huge thing that really wasn't down And was it a discussion between you and your wife about your son or was it, like Dr Viviana said, it was really your decision like she did with her husband. We had a discussion, but it was we knew what the answer was. Right. Well, I've seen both and I like both. But that isn't typical because guys, remember, I don't know how much poorn y'all are seeing that have that have uncircumcised men in it.

We just don't have a lot of visual representations, even though the vast majority of the world is maybe there's a category for it. There could be. I'm sure there's somewhere. Yeah, So this is the thing for women. If you typically ask women, they will they will go with whatever feels less complicated, So they'll say that they prefer a circumcised man. But again, how is that complicated or less complicated because it's what they know. Because because they don't it's a

visual thing. They think, okay, well what do I have to do with that or what They're just not used to it, and it's I mean, it's ridiculous, how difficult. They don't have to do anything right. I mean, my experience was when I experienced it, it was these words are so challenging for me. Aroused, it looked exactly the same as the one. The other one i'd seen, so turtleneck, it didn't. Everybody said that, but it just looked exactly

the same. It's it's just like with volver variety. There are there's foreskin, and there's it all can look different. So some can be can hang past the tip, some can would never hang past some it almost seems like they're circumcised. Well, yes, I have different The person sent a picture and so I have a picture of one that is and one that isn't, and they look identical, identical, And that's not always the case, I mean not exactly. You can pick out of a lineup, I could pick

each of them out. But a lot of it has to do with confidence and knowing your own body. If you can teach your partner very quickly how to do things. If it needs to be even addressed, then that's it. You don't know, it's a question, but it's more of a I have a friend that they had a baby

boy and he was uncircumcised. The father and the wife was very I think she's Catholic or whatever and very religious and very one where you know, that's the way she wanted it, and so but she wanted to be circumcised, and they went and got the boy circumcised, and I just felt like that was like the biggest knock on, like the dad of like you know, and it's I don't know, I mean, why did he care? Why was it um? I think chances are he did care. I

think he cares. But I think that ultimately she probably just came up with the with the discussion and the argument that hey, I, as a woman, if I don't find it appealing or as attractive, we don't want our son to go through that, which is a bond. It's a little weird. It feels a little like make and your daughter get a boob job. Yes, it feels a

little uncomfortable. Toolutely agree, but again, this is why we have to just come to terms of the fact that you're altering somebody's body and that we should probably leave it alone. I know a set of brothers where the older brother is and then the younger brother isn't. So maybe the mom kind of freaked out, like why did I do this? And then did not do it to the younger son. Are the parents married? It's the doctor

won't let you. The doctor warned you, um, when they do it, because Brooks just said, maybe the older son screamed when it happened and she was traumatized when they when the doctor does it, he warns you. He's like, because I went in there because my son was young. Um, obviously he's a baby, and so I wanted to be in there. And he's like, just so you're prepared. A lot of dad's faint. So so Ryan he's not here because he just had a baby. The doctor asked him,

would you like to watch? And he said, no, I believe And he said how many dads watch? And it was like five. So that's how terrified the dads are that they're doing this thing to the kid. Well, and fortunately, because I did a lot of research on it, um, fortunately there they do use topical anesthetics. They actually even put an injection for anesthesia. But no matter what, it's our producer Danielle knows someone who did it when they

were four and they remember it. Yes, so they will say psychologically that adult circumcision is much more traumatic, both psychologically and physically. So actually in a two different stories. So I'm also Latin as well, so I like you said, it totally makes sense now. So, um, one of my cousins, um, he didn't get circumcised until he was twelve, and it was yeah, and he was like, that was the most traumatic thing ever. So when he went to go do it with his son, he did it pretty early on

at two months old. And when he did it at two months old, his son like a really severe reaction and the blood wouldn't stop gushing out. So literally his two months two month old baby was like pale in the face. How to rush him to the er and this whole the baby had to get a blood transfusion whatever. So literally he has had the most traumatic experience when it comes to that kind of stuff. And just because it's typically routine or it's common, doesn't mean that it

has to be right. It doesn't really that we have to continue to do this again. You just have to be mindful of your reasoning. It can't. It's like some people choose to do the piercing for a little girl's years when they're weeks old, and then others wait, as it's a rite of passage. You literally lit up with that funny. It's great. Okay, so let's move on from that. So while we're on that topic, we're sort of the

penis of the penis. Yeah, we're on that topic. Um, let's talk about we have some points you're in some questions from listeners. Penis size, Oh, the elephant in the room or not an elephant? It doesn't matter, It doesn't does it need to be an el It could be it could be all worry about that yours is big

or small? Or what do do you do? Men worry about it for sure, of course, really, but do you worry about it once you're in a long term, committed relationship or do you worry about it when you're dating? But what are you worried about with the girl? Are you worried about it like comparing it to another dude, like where someone leans over there, like ricks is huge or they're like, I don't think I would really worry

about it in a relationship with a girl. I think it's more of like when you're in the locker room or showering. I guess you know, like yeah, for sure, for sure in the locker room, you're in like I was in the locker room with twenty three dudes my whole life, Like for sure, you're like looking differences, you rank that all of them were pretty different or they all sort of is it sort of a small window of normal, and then there might be a one dude he's super small, and I was one guy, but you've

got the biggest. I would say that most guys are sort of in. From my experience, most guys that there's a cluster of like they would fall into this general group or size or whatever, and then there's like an outlier. The outlier is usually like bigger, likelier, bigger. I've only ever played with one guy that was like an outlier smaller like payed with two guys. I played with two guys that I can now think of that we're outliers, small and sure for them it was an issue. It

was the same. And then I do remember one being abnormally small, and then even the big one was just sort of in that still realm of same but maybe just like a hint more swollen. So circumstance, and I haven't seen or touched that many. I know, it seems like I have, but it's very low numbers. I just met you, and I totally think, you know, I've only slept with six people. Maybe seven soon, but that's it. I'm fine with that number. I feel great about that number. Okay,

So this is the thing. Does anybody even know what the averages? Three inches? Three three inches blasted as we're talking about it, and someone got their cell phone out and was like, it's about this laying the averages typically around five and a quarter that when it's you know what,

when it's erect. Now that said girth makes a huge difference in sensation, Okay, because I have actually had a council couples through how to even begin to have penetrative sex, because I would not like that like a fireplug, or it can be or it can be too long, and it can hurt our cervix. So there is such a thing as too long. And all of you men who keep talking about how big is better and oh I wish women are not feeling that that is not what they want. They do not want, Well, it is and

it's everything. That's the thing. Guys tend to boil down their worth to their penis and there's so much more to sex. Here's what I think guys like, and I'm totally fine with this. They like to act like it's big and have you go, it's big, even if it's

not like that's in my sexting. I'm like the big you know whatever, even if it's just fine an average am I right, Well, that's really I'm just gonna say this because this is the show in my sexting, Like one guy I'm not and I only have sex it with like four people, like I need to I'm so sorry, but he said something, Okay, you guys, I'm just gonna say it because people need to hear this and I'm trying to be open and I need you guys to be open. They said, I'm okay, it's so dirty, so

I apologize in advance. But they said, I'm gonna put it in you, but it might hurt you, and it's like, it's not gonna hurt I liked it, though I was like you're psychologically kinky for totally reality, Like it's totally normal. Okay, So this is the thing about I think this is the thing about that if you feed into that, sure did and if and if the truth is that he's not that big, that's sort of he's just totally normal,

but maybe he's average. But overall you don't want to feed into it, like, yes, it does hurt, yes, because then if he gets off and you're not into that, then we got issues. I think that was just for the texting. Let me, she's only done five times. Let me ask the ladies in the room. Does does size to a woman make a difference? Bigger is worse? And it does it make a difference for a long term partner? Bigger, like is worse? Above can be worse than someone who's

slightly below average, for sure. I think that's what women say all the time. That's what people in my office say all the time. The concern is, um if it's too small. Now there's it's clinically called a micro fallus, and that can be something that unfortunately there isn't a really good surgery out there to help that. How common is that it's not very common? Like the name doesn't help itself. Micro Well, it's literally like this and they

have to release sendence through surgery. That might extend it a little bit, but it doesn't really help. But fortunately there's lots of sex toys that help with that. There's the documentary I think I mentioned before called Unhung Hero. Is that true? It's true. There's a documentary called Unhung Hero. It's about this guy who proposes to his girlfriend on like the JumboTron at a basketball game. He gets left,

He gets ghosted, like right there, gets left hanging. She just walks away, Yes, she just freaks and like walks away. And then later on she the reason she gives him that she didn't get in there like except his engagement is that he didn't have a big enough penis. And then he goes on a world journey firing out like, yeah, the irony of a guy with a small penis proposing on a jumbo try And then he goes on like a world journey trying to explore and solve the problem

for men that have smaller I don't know. Yeah, well he goes they don't show it, but yeah, he goes to like a condom facility too. He goes to all these different cont he didn't need all It's like the guy of the condom. He's like, yeah, you would really be smaller than average. Um. And then he explores different sizes amongst different countries. Which countries are are on average

the smallest, Which countries are on average the biggest. I believe like South Korea or something was one of the smallest, and I think like Nigeria or something like that. Some reason I felt Austria. Austrians. Don't quote me on that exactly. It's been it's probably been five years since I've seen the movie. Don't quote me on that exactly. But it's it's very educational as well as like very real for man.

Like this is he goes to he's in this like back alley surgery room in Philippines about to try this like crazy injection. And this is truthful, Like he's there in the moment about to do it. He's sweating and he freaks out. He's like, oh my god, I can't do this. Like it's a man's journey dealing with this.

It's called unhung here. But again, it goes back to this idea of if he felt like there were options more more actually if his would be fiance felt like there were more options and you can find satisfaction through things other than pain and penetrative sex like that. That kind of opened them up to a life of like what if she had together, they could have been together by the Sorry, just hug him and say let's let's talk about it later. Don't ghost them on the jumbo try.

But while we're on the topic, could we quickly talk about men's thoughts on breast augmentation? Do you is bigger better? No, there's there's too big for sure? I think, yeah, I look at it like I think. I think in general, a person should be able to jog, just truthful, like like a person should be able to work out. Okay, well yeah, exactly, like you're doing push ups in your arms are barely reading. But can you imagine can you imagine not being able to jog because of something you

have augmented to your body? Like what if jogging isn't your thing? What if you know? And and then so is there little? Is there such a thing as too little? I think so too? Yeah, I mean I think what that I mean, here's the real answer is what that person is comfortable with is from so go ahead by Yeah. No, I was just gonna say, from a man's perspective, I think too big is too much, and I think either medium sized going down is the right size for boobs

or penis. So really quickly before we have to wrap, I sent you all the picture of Jason Derulo that Instagram took. First of all, that thing scared me. I'm not gonna lie. But and he was lying when he said, you didn't send it to me. I don't know what this is. You have it right here in your notes. What was only semi erect? Oh semi? He was talking about it down, So I wanted to see what everybody thought about Instagram taking it down. Also, wait, is this truthful?

That is he said that is his body, that's a half mast yeah, he says, out of us. Yeah, but the Internet, no, no, no no, he posted the picture. He didn't use photo shot. That's the same like photo shot. I believe him that that is. It was intimidating to me either way, Like he's he knows that's probably coming down. He's throwing it up there as like I'll get this up there. It's going to get out. The Internet is gonna grab it run with it. And everything. He was

very smart. Everyone is talking about exactly when was this days ago? I didn't see. I saw it. Everybody in the world used the two finger feature two enlarge, right, everybody don't. Anyone in the room that says they didn't is a giant liar. I was like, what's so different you ever watched you ever watched track, track and field or wrestling, Like guys that are in super tight water polo water polo water polo cameras in slow mold. Everybody

is the two fingers on Rick speedo. I used that the three finger tap when it's like thinking, it really blows up the heart. We'll put another photo of Rick and his speedo up on the Instagram and ever this guy he was looking for attention. He got it. Good for him. And you know, I think they take it down. I think taking it down it is probably not I don't think that was right for them to take it down.

I don't think it was right of Instagram to take photos of women that are up there with everything going on and half of it's covered and it's still there. But it's also what doctors. I agree. I don't think I needed to come down, but it's what Dr Viviana said, it's like here he is like, oh, look at me, I'm so big, and he's like, oh, and it's only semi. It's like he said that, yes, he said it was

only semirect. Wait he said that in the post. Well I have that was because he felt Instagram was wrong in taking it down and they said, look, this is a sexual graphic sexual like you're aroused in this picture. And he's like, it's only a semi. He posted it and he's like, oh, this is only a semi and then like a sales hitch, dude, Dr Viviana, you're rad, totally rad. Marriage at first sight, married at first sight? Oh did I call? Pardon me? Married at first sight? Well,

it is marriage. Do you believe that's a good idea? Sorry, I think it's nuts. Okay, so let's talk about that because I feel like it's what I feel like if they sexted me in the right way. I'm just kidding totally. I've got too much chocolate. Here are my boobs, let's get married. So married at first sight? Is this wild?

Just kind of modern take on arranged marriage? And there are three experts and a ton of people that work with potential and their singles, who want to get married, who want to be committed, who have had it with dating, they're sick, they're in their thirties. Usually they want to have kids soon. They can't go through another tenure relationships. How many couples have made it work? I think we do know twelve? Well, well, what's making work? Like? How long? Like? Babies? Babies?

The first season aired five years ago. Uh so, and we're about to start our tenth on January one. I haven't this is only my second season. Season ten is my second season. I came on a nine and I love your most famous girl. What's her name? Jamie Otis? So she totally made it work. Jamie was went to husband Doug really stood out because she was not into him when they first got married, Like she was on

the ground sobbing after she seen him. She saw him because they get married when they meet at the altar, it's a legal marriage, and then they go through eight weeks, seven to eight weeks, and then they get to decide if they want to um stay married or get a divorce, and we get to help them along the way. We give them tools. I mean, I love that I'm able to be so direct with these people. I love telling people what to do, so no kidding, I'm never going

to send my boobs again. We know that. So you sent one when we took a break, It's why did you get my text? We really try not to have people focus on the physical, so when we're looking for potential, you know, spouses, we want people who are looking past that. We want people who want an emotional connection. We want compatibility. So we try our best and then we wait and see how it unfolds. I'm impressed. How do you bounce back from her falling down crying when she sees him? Like?

How does he bounce back from that? She like fell in love with him? So Jamie and died there doing great. We have so many other couples who are doing well, They're doing awesome. I'm very partial to this last season season nine, Jamie and Elizabeth. They are one of our roller coaster couples. And one of the sexual conversations that came up um and subsequently went viral, is that she goes, I don't understand how you expect me to have sex with you all the time when it's basic Caucasian sex.

What does that mean? What do you think it means missionary. Remember what you did, not define it? So what do you think it means missionary? Uh? Maybe really good basic just trying to bolster right there and very in the bedroom, very basic vanilla barely took their clothes off and then boom boom, done and off they go and take a shower and barely speak to each other. Something like that. Well,

we'll have to ask Elizabeth at some point. But the truth is that's what people started thinking, and it's obviously not categorically true. But then we also have you should try sexting. We also have couples who don't ever consummate their marriage during the process and wait until later or not at all if they decide to divorce. But it's

a really interesting experiment, and it's not for everybody. I mean, if you know that you're really into looks and you're really into chemistry and all that, you don't get to choose who you're marrying, so out of your control. Um, But if it's something where you're like, I know I want to be married, I know I can be a good husband. I know I can be a good wife. You pair me with somebody who is kind, generous, sweet, and somewhat good looking. I'll make it wears and they

do hard past. It's very I prefer menus with pictures on them so I can see that really fast before we go. Can all four of you answer this question? Can attraction grow? Oh? Yeah, for sure, definitely I can go. Yes. What do you think, Amy, I'm terrified of it. I don't know. For me, I'm scared of that because I think sometimes it cannot and so I'm very worried going in if I'm not a ten out of ten. So yeah, for me, it's very scary. You're worried that you can't

become more attractive somebody, no more attracted attracted. So I I feel that like there's people that I've met in my life that as you get to know them and understand them and appreciate them as a human, they become more attract Brooks is really attractive to me ready, but when but I remember the first day you met him, they were like muscles. And that's the crux of this.

That's the crux of this because we can put two people together who on paper are so compatible, and sometimes they will get so fixated on any little thing and we're like, why are you throwing away such an amazing possible, you know, marriage forever because they're two inches too short. That's me, So it's not for you, Amy, Yeah, but I'm working on it. Two inches too short, were Dr viv And I wanna just commend you, and I want to thank you for traveling all the way from Houston.

But I want to also just thank you and acknowledge you for what you've given to our audience today. UM for the people that out there that are listening, that have undoubtedly been blown away by you, where can they find you aside from the TV show? Where can they find you and get in touch with you? I don't often blush, and I don't even blush what I'm talking

about sex stuff, but I'm blessing now. Thank you. My website it's Dr Viviana dot com, D O C T O, R V I V I A and a UM dot com and then you know, married at First Sight any I would love for you all to binge watch it get caught up because next season is going to be amazing. I'm so excited, and I have programs online so for couples who can't come see me in Houston because my license is in Texas. Then I've programs online. Now I'm super pumped about it. I just put them up yesterday.

What is a program online? So, Um, it's the Doctor Viviana Method for Intimate Reconnection. And that is for couples who can't get past the awkward hump of going from like very awkward a very awkward, like they just don't have sexual or sensual connections anymore, and emotionally they also feel disconnected. So this is a very thorough, very extensive.

It is not surface. So it's for couples who really want to have their hands held through a six week program and by the end of it, because I've been doing this for years, I just finally kind of systemized it. But it's for couples who are like, we could divorce, we haven't had sex in eight years, twelve years, or even just six months, whatever it is, but they can't do it on their own. If you can't do it

on your own, try it out. And then I also have a primarial counseling course that I've also been doing since I don't know when. UM, And that's that's great for couples who just need to raise their confidence in their relationship either before after walking down the album back to the first courses that you're talking about. I think that's even for people that just even want to study more of that. Yes, even if you just don't know about it or you're wanting to to kind of make

sure that you prevent things in the future. Let's say you're dating and you're like, Okay, what do I need to look out for. I've seen way too many couples on the brink of divorce. I wish they would do their work at the beginning. I mean, yeah, a little preventative maintenance sort of like I want to learn more about this. I don't need to wait till it becomes really make or break in my relationship to dive into it.

So I think you can at that point. But also if you, even if you have a great relationship to look into these courses and study them, thank you. I'll definitely do it. So thank you so much. We appreciate you. Last word for our listeners, last word that you would

love to leave the people with. I think when it comes to sexuality, you've got to know yourself, and if you can't know yourself, you need to get help because it will come up in all of your relationships um, whether whether it's a small part of it or a big part of it. If you want to be with someone long term, sexuality and sensuality will become a part of it. And it can either be something that really bolsters your relationship or it can destroy it. Wow. Thank

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have a very exciting announcement. So we have Brooke Burke, Megan King Edmonds and Leela de Ville with us. They have a massive announcement. They have a new show coming out on My Heart. It is called Intimate Knowledge. It's a show about sex. Oh, it's all about all three ladies are saying, this is a show about sex. So on this show, we just did this whole episode. In the last episode we just did, We're about sex. And what's that curiosity? Did you see how well they did that?

They're like, it's intimate Knowledge. We're all like, we're talking about sex. We're like, we're like, we played around for so long with the title because it's a little bit in your face, and for us, we wanted to bring this conversation to life and do it in an educational, provocative, sort of a sensual way rather than just sex. So that's why we went with Intimate Knowledge. Ladies way of talking about sex. I love it, so I pay so I love I love this. I'm really excited actually for

this podcast to come out. I'm going to listen because I think I'm going to learn a ton of this. Um. I literally before before we started recording this overbreak, I called Lee Weapon because you were so impressive on our show. I would love to have you. Bet, I'm kind of I'm kind of upset that producer Amy put you on their show. We're so lucky. Just wait, this lady is going to just just spew knowledge that just blows you.

We need that because knowledge is king, and we need to open our mind and we needed to learn, which is why what you guys are doing is so cool. So that women can understand the perspective of a man. Right, So it works both ways. So I have a question for all three of you, what what is your individually, what is your mission and why you want to do this project? I mean, for me, I think that you know that sex is such a huge part of our lives. I mean, it literally is the reason we're here. We're

all here on this earth. But um, it's so much more than that, you know, It's it's emotional and intimate and and physical and it's all these things, So why why don't we talk about it more? Why is it? Why is it bedroom talk? Let's bring it we I want to bring it to the table because I know I have questions and I would love to explore kind of what it means in the in the bigger picture,

and so we're here to do that. And I also think this is a conversation that needs to be happened that women are having amongst themselves, but not necessarily out loud. When I think about like sensual health or intimacy, like that's sort of what we're all striving for, a human connection. I think it's why relationships work, why marriages fail, why we're struggling, what we're looking for, how we lose our way, you know, when it comes to sex, sensual health, intimacy,

whatever you want to call it. But we're all talking about it. And maybe it's maybe it's because I'm on the other side of marriage right now and I'm single, and I'm in my forties and I'm sort of in heat. Girl alogetically say that, no, but I mean I'm in it right now. So Amy and I like went back and forth for over a year trying to figure this out.

And I'm like, there's so much comedy and challenge and struggle and reality, and like, it's just amazing that I find myself after nineteen years of marriage now in this space smarter, with an open mind and an open heart and an heat still that do you want me? I have a lot of male followers on my Instagram? Do you want me to blast that? Probably? Probably don't. That's not that's not in my bio. Probably don't say that. Um, I was just being honest because I committed to honesty

on this project. But um yeah, let's like, can we edit that out? And I'm getting no, I am you don't have to put it in your bio, but I think they're going to find out you've said it twice. I think we know your purpose, but I want to get more from you and just hear from you what is your purpose and mission? With the podcast, I get to speak about what I love to speak out most,

which is sex and intimacy. And I think it's just such a beautiful offering because so often it's it's not what we're experiencing that's difficult, is that we feel that we're experiencing it. A loan and so this really cracks the open that that conversation. And yeah, I love that. I think it's any in all humans, men and women. It's something we deeply yearn for and crave, is that intimate and that physical relationship. But yet it's one of the things that's very hush hush. As you said, Meg,

you want to bring this to light. It's something that for some reason, culturally societally, we do not bring to the forefront enough. So we try and do that on this podcast. We try and open up a space for men to open up, take the first step in put down our weapons and say hey, this is what we're dealing with. Um. But I love that you guys are going at it in the space. We do it in many different spaces. You guys are going at it specifically

through sex and intimacy. And can I just add to what you just said Leather too, because you mentioned alone, and just to be serious on the other side of what I was saying before, I think in that time and in solitude and spending time with yourself as a woman to really understand where you are and how you feel and how you think. Because when we really start to learn and so for me, I have always been an advocate for women's health and educating women and supporting

women in their journey whatever it looks like. So that's really important for me to open up that dialogue and to create a comfort zone and to have those conversations that are a little bit uncomfortable but that are super important as we learn and understand our own bodies and how to connect and what we want and how to find the right words to express that, because that's sort of the struggle to even marriage and relationships for about single life, but how to communicate and how to ask

and express and experiment and um, it's very taboost for a lot of And this is why I really do what I do, because I really feel that there's there's nothing, um quite that will define our lives. Then the connect the deepen connections that we have, you know, these really define like the quality of our lives in terms of our sense of aliveness and the bonding and connectivity that we have with others, I mean sex and just in

relationship in general. And I just want to say, because Brooke and have worked on the show for over a year to get I'm like almost emotional about it because here I know it's like hard, and these three women are I'm so honored to work with them. And this is a show that will be produced, written, edited solely by women. The whole team is women, and these three ladies are willing to be so vulnerable and put what is very personal stuff and knowledge out there for all

the women and men listening. And that's like scary. So just the last two episodes we've done, everyone was so willing to like talk about a subject that's harder to talk about, and these ladies are going to do that for the benefit of hundreds of thousands of people listening. And I'm so glad you said that. And use the word vulnerable because Omegan and I are going through a very transformative period of time in our life. I like to even think of it as a bit of a metamorphos.

But being vulnerable as scary as shit, and it's hard, and I worked really hard to be able to be vulnerable. And I think in that space as women, if you can get there, and there's just so many beautiful things on the other side of that and scary, yes, but vulnerability, I think is truthful. And to kind of expand on that two brook, being vulnerable at a time when you need to be the strongest, that balance is really tough.

And so to find that balance and also to not deny yourself your your feelings or your emotions and allow yourself to feel them. But also being strong, what does that mean? So that's something that we need to explore and and feel. It's beautifully said men too, because we

are always trying to be strong. And I think even for a very masculine, you know, alpha man, having moments where you don't have to be so strong, I think is so powerful and sexy and so masculine and mother's businesswomen like when you learn that you can become unraveled and give yourself permission to be vulnerable. Is the first time in my life. I wasn't that woman in my marriage. Sorry David, I wasn't. But now if I knew, I then what I knew. But seriously, like vulnerability, it is

strength scary. You know what I'm super excited about for you guys is have you, guys hosted a podcast or done a podcast ever before? Not together? I have, and I really know so much for me how men think for me has been more of a learning platform than a sharing platform. How much I have learned and grown. The knowledge that I've digested, the conversations were able to have has helped me learn more than I've ever shared

on here. Well, I think that's the I think that's the difference is that we're not here thinking we're teaching anybody. We're here learning as well, and people are learning along with us. We're not here saying, oh, we know all the answers. We have a lot to learn, and so when we talk about these things, we too are being vulnerable and and trying to you know, realize and learned things that we don't know. And I think that's why,

you know, it translates to listeners as well. Yeah, well, um, what is like the first topic you guys want to dig into? What is something you're super What can listeners expect on the first episode? What so many? I mean, we have the longest list. I mean, the craziest thing is like we have twenty shows ready to go because this is such a topic that women talk about constantly get together indition, We're like, oh my gosh, write that out.

Oh we have to tell that story. Oh I forgot about There's just so many things happening right now in this chapter of our lives. What do you would say For the first episode, We're really going to dig into um the importance of intimacy and what intimacy really is to women. It's not just sex to women. So it's understanding what is it, how do we get it, and how do we sustain it, how do we not let it go away? And how do we trust someone else

with our own vulnerability and sexuality. I remember our conversation on our show, and just like how powerful and how much we learned about intimacy, that it's so different to a woman than it is to a man, and you

have as good of an understanding of it as anybody made. Yeah, I really love to talk about the mechanics of of relationship and what what it is to be intimate, but also what it is that we desire, you know, And I actually separate those two a little bit because we both we have both of those needs, the need for love and intimacy and that relationship, but we also have an equal not it's not equal for everybody, but a charge and a desire like that desire for the connection

and the unknown and the erotic, and you know, both of these things are at play, and so it's and I love that as you're saying this, I'm thinking of even within a relationship, even within a twenty year marriage, unknowns, there's erotic there's like you don't figure everything out in two years or it's not like, oh we've been married five years and everything is the same now. So as you're saying that, I'm thinking, this is a life journey. This isn't this isn't a time um stamp. Yeah, time

capsule journey like discovery. I mean, just to be totally transparent. It's like, because women, we think we figure it out and then we change. So sorry guys, but it's hard to even it's crazy, like we think we get there and then our whole body, our hormones, our whole system is just ever changing. So it's like we want stability, but we won't want spontaneity like it want this ultimate contrast. It's just a complete mind blowing cast on the shop.

It's like it's really really challenged. It's a dynamic. It's a dynamic experience, and it's it's like just the phases of the what women go through is just so tremendous um and how that relates with our partner and the dynamic that then creates and how then you're in alliterative process of relating, Like it isn't a stagnant thing. It isn't always, it's not constant um be kind of it's kind of like the moon, right, It's like we're going through cycles constantly. I'm excited for this. I want to

listen to this because I wanted January six. Thanks for helping us launch it, and I love what you guys are doing. I want to listen to this because I want to be educated more like we have actually more female listeners. I think of how men think than we have men in the mission. I started out with this listening to like serve young man, to serve men, and we've had women in flocks tune into this show and can Lela when you were on our show, I don't think you got to saw this. You got to saw this,

got to see this. But we sat there and we talked for a long time, all of us, and we

didn't take any break for a while. So when we were done, all the guys went to the men's room and when we walked in there, every single one of us was like wow, like we had learned so much and heard so much from you that we didn't know and as like we had the conversation, we're learning it, but it almost like we were having the conversation but we held our breath and when we went in there after what we were like, like, it was exhausting how

much we didn't know that we were learning. Yeah, I hope we get to say that too, and then it's not just a chick journey that men will tune in and that we can learn because it's really about understanding the polarity of both masculine and feminine. So that's amazing you guys. Well, then I hope that we get to say the same thing, and I think you will. I hope guys tune into it because it's I think from a cultural perspective, I think there's a stigma that um

sensuality and spirituality and intimacy is a woman's thing. I think like in the locker rooms that I was in in, in the conditions and culture that I spent most of my life in, that was the consensus is that it was viewed as as that. And now being outside and removing those layers and conditions and things that were became a part of me. I'm like, so curious about this

space for myself. I want to understand my wife as well, but I want to understand intimacy for myself and what does that even look like in presence in my life. So I think guys will tune into this, And if you're a gentleman listening to our show right now, I fully encourage you to listen to their podcast to explore yourself, but also to learn more about your partner and how you can communicate better with them. So I'm super excited for Look, even if you think you know, you don't.

Brook said, they decide and then they change, So you come. Brooke, Megan, Leela, thank you so much. The podcast January six, and it's intimate knowledge. You can find it right here on I Heart anywhere else you get your podcast. That's it for this episode of How Men Think. We'll see you right back here next week. Till then, take care of one another, love one another. You have a lot of sex that's new.