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start with you, my friend. You just got off the plane for the for the people in our community, Mr Gavin Degrock. Can you that do not know who you are? Um? Can you please give us a little bit about yourself and what you're excited for for this podcast? Man? Boy, um my favorite topic. Thank you so much? Me? Or do you want to uh? Well, uh, I sang and write songs and stuff. And you probably know me since your hockey man for falling on the ice during the

national anthem recently. Soody it's slick. Yes, I wore the wrong shoes. Yeah, let me just blaming at that. Um. And that's it man, It's it's good to be here. I I hopped on a one of those great flights today where feels like you're riding a public bus. You know. There was somebody heavy breathing on my neck because they were as they were reading the directions of if the plane were to go down, like I can save somebody.

She was looking across me and like heavy breathing in my ear, and I was like, I can get out of your way right now. It's like, really, I can get at anyway. So you're coming in happier, You're coming in house. It's great, it's great to be here. That's exciting. Man's been looking forward to it. By the way, thanks for following me on Instagram, man, because we've just been liking your pictures for quite some time now, have you. Yeah, Man, I said, like, I probably like to three of your

pictures because you exercise a lot. I was like, those techniques, right, his vacation pictures are his exercise workout. Yeah. But what I will say that, so you've been on Dance with the Stars. My wife, My wife raved about you. She was so excited and she says to say hi, and everybody, um, everybody in my community that I know that knows you.

And Dmitri echoed this too. He said, everybody that he knows that knows you, raves about you to a disgusting degree, like, oh, Gavin Degraan, Like, oh my god, he's the nicest guys. Like all right, well, there's other nice people. So I've not met anyone who likes you so at all. Okay, let's leave to that. We'll go to Ryan here next. So we'll go to Ryan. I'm gonna run down a little a little uh bio of Ryan. Born in Memphis, Tennessee,

raised in Philly, is a long time suffering Philly sports fan. Okay, we'll get to that. TV executive writer, political consultant. He's got an eighteen month old boy, he's got another one on the way, so he's in it. His mom and dad were both FBI agents. He played soccer in college, and he is self described as handsome, humble, and ironic self describe I don't see where the humble comes in.

That's the irony. That's then, by the way, we have a bone because on the way here, Brooks told me that the worst fan base he ever faced while in the NHL was the Philly fans. You asked me which were the rudest ones? And I wear that as a batch of honor. I mean, I mean, I can't call somebody polite. When I'm walking into the Green I get spit on by thirty people from up above in the walkway. So that could have been Ryan, it could have been Um. But can you give us? Can you give everybody listening

like something? You're super excited about to be on this podcast. I'm super excited because I think what's really interesting to me is that we all have our unique perspectives. We all are at a different stage in our lives. You know, you're married, kids, probably soon. I have one kid, a second along on the way. Dmitri has twelve kids. I think Gavin is perpetually scared of commitment whatsoever. So it's a good thanks, Um, But that's exciting. We're happy to

have you. Kay. We'll lead to going teeing up Dmitri here. He doesn't have twelve, but he has four kids. He's a writer and a comedy consultant. Avid sports fan comes from a big Greek family, owns a mandarin orange farm, the most random stat in the world and it doesn't love a good halo, and also is described as extremely handsome. We have a very handsome panel. Well, yeah, well my mom said that when I was young, so I figured it's good for life. So I'm um, yeah, so I

have four kids, ten, eight, six and almost three. Um, and I think you know it's it's funny. As Ryan was saying, I think we all bring something different to the table, which I'm excited about. I will mention that obviously Brooks, you're married. Ryan's married, uh to almost two kids.

Rick's married two kids. I have four kids. I'm married, and Gavin walks in the room, he goes, so, wait, everybody here's married, so I think we know his stance on marriage, so that's not really I just was like, wow, so I'm the only not married person in the room. You look at you that have a you know, a teammate, somebody who you know it was in the same boat as me. Hey, you guys looked at each other like what were we thinking? This guy's get the smile on

his face. Well, and I think the good news is that we're here to help you out. Okay, let's go to you and you're kind of guiding. This is not a podcast, it's an intervention down what if he's the other way and all of a sudden He's like what We're like, Yeah, wait are we married? We're all five single guys. Um, well let's go to the guiding light. Rick uh Rick two kids. He's a thirteen year old, a ten year old. He's a coach uh Technology Life

Life Cycle Solutions. I T Management SoCal living in North North cal um just joined Netflix and I agree with this. One man plays the toughest sport in the world water polo. I agree without a hunt. Well, thank you very much that that's very polite coming from a hockey player. Yeah, but dude, I swam this morning. I swim on Thursday as part of my workout. Swimming is the hardest thing in the world to me. Yeah, no, it's uh, it's it's fun and it's good to get out there, and

it's it's I think overall, you know. And part of this whole you know, how men think is talking about exercise and health and wellness and and you know, using swimming as as part of an exercise to get an over like an all body you know, movement. So I get I get crutinely crushed in the pool by like middle aged women. They just go down and back story, true story, they go down and back down and back. I'll go down and back down and back and I'm

like just huffing and puffing. They just keep going swimming as an art man, so do I do? I tip my cap to you. Anybody that plays water polo is an intense athlete, So I tip my cap to appreciate it. Thank you. Um, what's one thing you're super excited for to be on the podcast? Uh? You know, honestly, it's just to talk about all of all the the aspects that we're going to go over today and and kind of help you know, Gavin out and when I'm gonna

be a grandpa when it's over, don't worry. But yeah, just to kind of you know, talk about certain things. And uh, that's what I'm looking forward to, you know, sharing our experiences. Awesome. I love it. Can I see a quick question? When you said you just joined Netflix, do you mean like working or like you just signed up for Netflix like twenty years after everybody else. No, although you know, I I just signed up about three

weeks ago. I have a log in and a password, and you know, I'm actually watching a show every once in a while, and it's pretty interesting. First show you watched what is it, Uh, Murder Mountain was on a recommendation or you just like No, I had heard it from only from a friend. Only from a friend? Is a picture? Well, we're gonna have some fun on this show, guys. UM, and my name is Brooks like and I was a professional hockey player playing in the NHL for fourteen years.

Live in Los Angeles, UM, and I'm I'm married, have three dogs. Hopefully I have kids here someday soon. UM. Don't have any on the way, but definitely want kids and look up to you gentlemen for being fathers. UM. But I'm super excited about this podcast. UM. Since I've been out of the sport, I feel like I have a lot to say. I really want to make an impact in the world. UM. I think I've learned a

lot of lessons through sport, through high pressure environments. UM, through team which is why I love doing this podcast with other people as well. UM. And really be of service to our listeners, to you guys that are listening, whether it's in your car, at home, whatever it is. We are really a vessel to serve you guys. So I want you to engage with us, interact with us. We have an email men at I Heart Radio. If you want to comment or send questions or feedback insight

on the show, please do that. Um. But with that said, we will now get into what this show is going to be, what it's about, how men think, gentlemen take it away? Okay, Oh, he couldn't have done that any better. So not a lot going upstairs? Is that the first thing did you say? When men think, well, here's here's our here's our promise to our listeners is we're going to dive into many issues to that that men deal with, UM, lifestyle, health, fitness, relationship, career, opportunity, fears,

a little bit of vulnerability. We're not gonna sit here and cry, but we're gonna dig into some emotions. We're gonna we're gonna try and promise is not gonna be tears. Who do you think christ first? Oh yeah, I'm about rid of now on rock stars they're all the same. So in a room full of dude But for everybody listening, it's going to for guys that are listening, we want to provide value to you. Are also gonna have some funny stories share, so there's gonna be a lot of laughter.

That's for certain, Um, but we want to provide value to you and be a value add to your life and hopefully give you some insight to some things maybe you're dealing with or some things you might be dealing with upcoming in your life. That's maybe some of these guys have have been through. UM. And then on the flip side for our female listeners, fire away, what do you want to know? That? We will be an open book and open source for you guys? What do you

want to know? How men think? What we think about our thought process behind things, how we approach relationship, life, career, anything like that. Um, We've already had some fascinating discussions. I also want to send a thank you before we really get into it, Miss Amy Sugarman right here for putting this whole thing together. Fell around of applause. This is Amy's concept, this is her baby that we're only here because of you, So sincere, thank you for She

really wants to know what men thanks. So she's like, this is the easiest way to find out that that is true? I think so far getting to know where I think that is the truth. Want to think Danielle right here for her help. Our producer and Eastern our engineer and Eastern there's a good flax. You guys can't see it, biceps Eastern does. Um, but let's dig into it. How men think. Um, we're gonna dig into many different issues in how men think on this podcast. There's gonna

be a variety of them. Uh, Rick, why don't you give us one? My friend, what is going on in your life? Yeah? Well, you know, my son just turned thirteen last week, So that was that was a blessing, interesting, exciting. Yeah, and uh, you know, as part of that obviously is kind of when they start hitting puberty, and you know, he is definitely starting to cross that line a little bit, and you know, as as being a parent, and I sort of backed off of it for a while. He

had his own cell phone. Um, you know, I used to check his cell phone occasionally and I was like, he was wasn't being very nice, you know to me. So I was like, Okay, he's gonna go to bed and I'll check a cell phone. So check a cell phone. Start going through it, just making sure. The reason I'm checking a cell phone making sure his communication to his friends or girls and guys is proper and nice and whatnot. And so in doing. So I go through and I

check out his web browser. So I pull up his web browser and like, you know what, I'm gonna actually search this, I'm gonna look what he's watching looking at and I pull it up and the videos sorry, dirt bikes. Well, it used to be like, you know, basketball videos, all of basketball videos, baseball videos, comebacks, game of the year, those are those are the headlines back and when he was ten, eleven, twelve. Well, now I pull it up and it's where he needs to go to his baseball practice.

And then it's things that I don't necessarily well I shouldn't say I can't agree with it, but I'm not really appropriate for a thirteen year old? Give us the heavy what is it? Video? So it was like, not quite the sports you were looking at. It was not basketball videos, yeah, top ten, you know, highlights them. So you were sad that it was on his phone, but thrilled that you found it. I was thinking to myself, I mean, yes, I have not seen these. I was like, wow,

this is an amazing collection. He subscribes to the same and I was like, what is that My logging is that we could get a discount, Hey, you're on the same iCloud account that breaks up. So the first two had, you know, our Google searches for wearing easy to go to baseball practice, which we clearly take him because he can't drive, and that's real, that's not The next one is hot blonde mill for me to suck cute. He

gets her tiny hole hammered. I don't know, so, you know, as his father, I'm sort of given a couple of fist pumps, you know. I'm like, yeah, this is killer, kind of like your flow here, bro, you know. So it sounds to me like you would have preferred he dipped his toe in the water instead of just cannonballing into porn very much. Don't sound very like starter level or this is not the five playboy that I used from at my friend's house. So so how do you

handle that? Do you have you talked to your boy about that? We've talked already, yes, So what was the conversation. The conversation delayed a couple of weeks, so it was like, you know, I was trying to figure out what is that, you know, because you had to watch everything because my thought was you're not in trouble, like you're all gonna you're gonna find it no matter what, whether it's on your phone, your friends, wherever, the home computer, my log

in was. When I approached him, we were My wife and I both sat him down and he was kind of being at the time, and we were like, look, we need to talk, like you're using your phone for certain things and here's what they are, you know, And we didn't go back and tell them that. And we don't have that much data on your plan. That's a huge download right now on I would go instead of eight videos, I would married down to five. Yet, can I What was your wife's reaction to this? Oh my gosh,

you know, she was surprised. She was wondering what was going Was she like, oh my gosh, I failed as a mom, or this is your fault or he's no, I don't. We didn't really look at each other that way. Dmitri was more along the lines of like, how are we going to have this conversation? You know, on you as the father, because it's it's your son that you're to be the one to have that conversation like birds and the be style. Yeah, I sort of felt that way,

and we haven't had that conversation yet. Either and so obviously that's next. But I'm trying to plant a fishing trip around that, although from the necessary the titles of these are way beyond Okay, here's a quick question. Have any of you guys had that conversation with your dad or parents at all? I never had that conversation. Yeah, so the conversation I had with my son will basically set him down. And you know, it's not how did

you find this? You're being punished. It's more along the lines of, like, what you're watching isn't necessarily age appropriate for what what your age right now? You know, I mean, there's a reason movies or rated are there NC seventeen or or G or whatever you want to call it. But you know, it was more along the lines of, look, you're not mentally ready there from what you found, Like maybe he should have subscribed to Playboy, but he did

mention the word hammered. Do you think maybe he was just trying to look up a construction site of some kind of like that goes to home depot a lot. Let me see what this is about. The interesting part about that the name of his baseball team is called head First Baseball, So maybe he was searching head first and then everything else. He's thirteen, he's a boy. As his lawyer, nice cover up, but that's not gonna want Yeah,

so yeah, it was. It was more about the long along the lines of like, look, be careful what you're watching. You know what you are watching. Obviously it's great for us, but maybe not appropriate for that. There is there is

something that I that I read recently. It said boys that age, kids that boys especially at that age, are getting they target them with porn and they try and get them hooked because it's the way to to really influence, like to to bring in the money of the industry, and hence the industry and what it's doing, yes exactly, and what it's doing is it's ruining that because then they are to some extent they're they're losing their never learning the site of like romance or this is not

so when they start hooking up, they just think, oh my, it's got to jump to this point and it's and it's not obviously, I mean I have three daughters. It's it's not the way to go about romance is not the way to go about dating. And the set to think that, oh my god, it's supposed to jump to this otherwise it's a failure otherwise. So they they say that it's it's causing a big problem with with kids. Well that that makes total sense, complete sense. I mean

just really listen those titles kids, even American Pie. And it hasn't seen American pie. Um does anybody else have anything like that going on? Your kids are too young? Your kids obviously too young? But what what about? No? But that's horrifying. I mean it's a fear of mind.

You know. I have a two year old son and another on the way, a boy, and so the thought of how far will technology advance between now and when he is of the age that he's going to be looking at porn or I have a question, I mean they have. I don't understand why the technology, the technology certainly seems to be there for uh, fingerprint identity for

accessing the phone. You think that it would be a necessary technology for kids having their own personal phones that could access the Internet, that it would require a fingerprint, and therefore it would automatically limit some of the I think there is that technology. I mean, it would be identified. You know what I'm saying, It was my phone. He's saying.

He's saying, there is that there is that feature on phones where if it's a family plan, the parent can can put in locks of what the kids can see that. But he's saying Ryan saying that Rick has just failed to do that. I'm just saying, we all have our identities in our in our our fingerprint, and therefore he's probably already documented his fingerprint at some point. Why doesn't

it automatically limit his access to the Internet. Yeah, you can't go in and you can you can limit all the access automatically limiting his access because at the beginning of it, I decided not to do it because I want him to go watch Steph Curry's highlights, you know, over the last three seasons or like he he was

watching things that weren't necessarily at that point yet. Right, So it's like obviously glad we caught it, right or whatever I mean again, like to be honest, also to me, it's actually opened up a conversation with him about that, right,

you know. So it's not a force subject. It's not a bird's in the bees sit down, It's not that it's I will say this in fairness to what you said, This opened up the opportunity to um to speak to your son about this, and I think not to sound appreachy, but I think that's kind of what we're doing here, is we're talking about this because this is a even though we're having fun with it, I think this is

obviously an issue that's happening. And I think just like you spoke to your son about it and when you found out about I think this is something that we needed to talk about because I think people can realize that you don't realize that it's happening. It's not like they're gonna come home and be like, hey, I'm looking up stuff I shouldn't be looking up. So I think

it's nice that we're talking about that because these are things. Listen, like I said, four kids, it's like but first kid, but I didn't know, Like you don't know what you're doing when you become a parent. So I think it's like you have to lean on others and you have to talk to friends and realize these things happen. Because nowadays, they got phones in their pockets and they're taking around

they can look up anything. So I think we need to have these discussions so that you know it can be addressed like that because we're just as blind to stuff like that. And good on you for not shaming him either like that. What he wasn't in trouble. I mean it might have been. He might have been duped into it by buddies, but I mean, you don't know the situation. Maybe you do, but like, good on you

for handling it in a calm, composed way. But let's discuss this, this natural evolution in you as a human as a young boy, um, and not coming down on him with a hammer and um punishing him for doing something like that. Um, I think it shows an your part. Thanks Brooks. And you know the one thing I think you you touched on before about having actually the conversation

with your parents about the birds and the bees. It's like, so one short a story I want to share was my dad in fifth grade taught the sex said class. He was a local doctor where we grew up. So what was I doing? I was sitting in the back very black row with a baseball globe over my face,

you know, I mean it was for me. It was a very embarrassing moment, you know, especially when the people started asking questions it and so to me, you know, I don't recall ever really having that conversation with my dad, but and that's why something I actually want, you know, having seen that, you know, and then having a more open dialogue with my son and or probably daughter at some point, it's like, hey, this is what's going on, and hopefully she's not watching that stuff. Good for you, man,

that's awesome. Okay, we gotta go to break. I'm Brooks like, and I got my man. But we'll get good at that and get real good at that, the handoff. And this is how men think. So we're diving into a bunch of topics for men for women is all about how men think. And Ryan has something he wants to talk about here. I do have something that happened to me very recently which is relatively sensitive. But my wife and I had to go through ivf UH, which is

in vitro fertilization. Listening that doesn't know what that is. Can you explain what that is? Yeah, It's essentially that we were unable to get pregnant naturally, so they take my sperm, fertilize her egg, and then the eggs grow and you see how many embryos you ultimately have after five days and hopefully you have a lot and then one gets implanted or two or however many, uh, and hopefully you have a pregnancy. But um, we've gone through

two rounds of IVF. We have a son now through the first round of IVF, and we just went through a second round. But one of the parts of the process of IVF is that they need to analyze my sperms. So you go into a fertility clinic and they bring you into a room that they ask you to produce your sample. So the biggest stress for me is I'm brought into a small room that just so happens conveniently for them to be five ft from the nurses station

and the reception area. Uh. So I am escorted by the nurse into this room and again there's a lobby of ten people sitting there, and they tell you, we have material for you on this television. You just hit the power by and it'll be preloaded. It's going to be rolling for you. Uh, here's the cup. Do your thing into the cup and then come out when you're

ready and will you'll be good to go. So they turn on the TV for me and she walks out of the room and in the first case, it was a black and white porn that was from the seventies with the guy endowed with a guy endowed such in a way that I could not really imagine that that was me in his position, So it was so small exactly the TV was that the nurses of let exactly. So, so you're in this environment and in my head, I'm saying, Okay, what is the respectable amount of time right now that

I have to produce. If I come out in forty five seconds and I say, here you go, They're gonna look at me like this guy is freaky, like he just did it in four or five seconds. But if I come out twenty minutes later, glistening with sweat and like fatigued, it's like relaxing, Like I'm gonna be back in about one o'clock too. If that's okay, exactly exactly what did you do? So so I'll fast forward to the next time I was in and this is now the most pressure packed moment of my life, genuinely, which

is my wife is under full general anesthesia. We're going in for the for the procedure, and I'm escorted into the room and now my in laws because she's going she's been put under or in the lobby with me, and again it's seven feet away and they say, Ryan, you're up, and they escort me to the room and my in laws walk watched me walk into. Should we come in or you good on your own? You're like, I'm exactly so, so I again, I'm like, okay, how

long am I going to take here? But my wife is fully under and if I don't produce, yeah, if I don't produce, then like this is gonna be an absolute nightmare. And said go get them, go, go bring us a grandkids. So this was a separate fertility clinic, and this one was a little bit more high tech, and they had they popped on the screen and the screen had sixteen categories on it that I could choose from, and it was nineties, uh, babysitters and I'm big butt

Asian anime, so oh, I know, adult humor. And then the one I ended up choosing was adult humor. I chose award winning. I was curious, what's winning awards in this space? You gotta know now. But but again, it was like the most pressure packed situation I've probably ever been into in my life, was going to that room with my in laws seven feet away, and how much noise can I make? They put you on a chair with this parts and papers, and it's like the most

sterile overhead lighting. So I turned the light off and I turned my iPhone flashlight on to give some mood lighting for myself. And I'm moving around. The parchment paper is crankling. My in laws are listening, the nurse watching the clock, and it's it's a nightmare. All you hear from the lobbies are in laws going, that's our son in law. And there. I came out with the cup, gave it to the nurse and shook my father in law's hands and that was that your hand first. By

the way, what when he just told you? What Ryan just told you is exactly true. Because my wife and I have also done IVF. So my wife has endometriosis, which she's openly talked about. She's a big advocate for that. I believe. Actually I think one and ten females have endometriosis. UM, and so we before her birthday last year, we did

IVF as well. And I've been in that room. Um, we haven't done the same room as maybe I don't know, I don't remember the black and white important but U but um it is exactly how he describes and it isn't awkward. But his his father in law is waiting

outside your room too. Yeah, okay, giving people, did you have the same thing in your head where you're saying, what is the respectable amount of tough minutes that I can spend in this room that the nurses don't think like I'm a freak, but that I honestly just think I went and knocked it out, like I just I don't think I thought too much about it. Um, it is what it is. Grab the cup and put it on the counter. But um, it is incredible though what they can do. Like you, you have now two children

a second on the way from that procedure. So um, for anybody out there that is considering it, it's a lot. I will say that it's as you know, as husband, you're just in full support mode of your wife. And my wife went through a ton and you know he was doing injections for months into her stomach every night with a syringe and it was brutal. Credit for it. But I will say I know a lot of people have done that and and from everything I've heard, it's

very difficult, very taxing. I am. I have been very fortunate and less than that all you know, my my kids were just we just conceived. I mean if you saw like Vegas vacation, you know, and they said, Rusty, had you get all these cars? Because I don't know, I put a dollar and I got a car. I put a dollar and I gotta go. That's what I was, like I was with kids, except not with dollar and you know, and instead of the car and we got kids.

But so we're very lucky. But I know that it's that it's um that it's a it's a very taxing I think it's I think that's probably the pressure that that was weighing on you, besides just being next to the nurses station and what to choose and this it's like.

And by the way, hearing the fact that you have and Julianne have gone through it too is interesting and helpful because I think so many of my friends have gone through this exact thing, and it's become people are scared to admit that they don't really talk about it. So the more that people are aware that it's a very common thing now with I U I or I V f I think like it makes us all feel yeah, we're not abnormal for having gone through Why why do you think that is like why why do you think

it's that that is sort of suppressed person. I think it's like it's a it's a it's such a it's such a private sort of it's such a it's between you and your wife, it's or your your partner. Um, it's very emotional. I mean, you're you're trying to bring a life into this world. I mean for us, for us it I mean you're as a husband, you're just in full support. Motive was very difficult on my wife as well. But looking at the reality of our lives.

My wife is a very driven businesswoman, has her career. Um. She just turned thirty last year, and so we wanted to She has endometriosis, which which could complicate pregnancy. Doesn't mean it will, but it could, and so the smarter thing for us to do is to let's freeze some of her eggs and if we need this as a backup plan in two years or a year from now, whenever we want to start having kids, and maybe we can't,

we have a backup plan. But I agree with you I mean it has been hush hush, but it shouldn't be. And I feel like there's almost kind of the stigma of, you know, it's like that's not successful or you couldn't get the job done, or that kind of a you know, a bologny way of looking at it. And I feel like that's kind of the society is putting us to that pressure like, oh, you guys, could you gotta do it?

You have to do take an alternative way, which whether there's something a complication or whatnot, Like I think that's wrong. I think the inherent in being a man, it's the ability to procreate. That's like that's kind of in our d n A and and in every fiber of our being. And so if you're told that your sperm are not able to you don't need help in procreating, then it's almost emasculating in a way. So it's tough. I think it times for a guy to admit that that's something

that you're dealing with him. And I'll end with this, which is we've we've dealt with And there was someone that came up to us recently and asked, my wife, have you gone through or can I ask you, like, did you go through I v F? And she said, well, it's a relatively in trusive question to ask without you offering it up yourself. But she said, well if you

must know, like, yeah, actually I did. And the woman said, oh, okay, because you know, we already have two kids, um, you know, and we got pregnant naturally, we can get pregnant naturally, super easily, but we have two boys and we really want to have a girl, so we may go through IVF to have a girl. And it was like, really, that's that was It was a demoralizing and I couldn't believe that she said that. And then my wife said, well, you know, if you need a good fertility doctor, you know,

I'll give you our our fertility doctor's name. And she said, oh no, no, no, no, thanks Hunt, but um, we're already working with Dr James Andrews. He's the leading fertility doctor in all of North America. So we were okay with with ours, Like thanks though, and it was like, it's nice to know that l a attitude also carries over to fertility docs instead of yeah interesting, um, but for anybody out there that is considering it, I think it's a great option if you want to have a

plan down the road. Um, when I was in the office, there was even there was even young ladies who didn't have partners or whatever. But we're at a very healthy, uh segment area of their life that wanted to save eggs or later on. And even our doctor Um, who was amazing for us, she said she wished she would have done it when she was younger as well, So it's an amazing procedure. So on how men think, We're also going to dive into some products on the show.

We're going to test some stuff for you guys. And Amy and Danielle sent us all an email asking us what we used for hygiene and specifically what we used to shampoo, and I think they were stunned with the results. And also how often you wash your hair and how often we wash our hair And I really had to think about this one. That's pretty deep. The last the last time I washed my hair was two thousand and one. Because I was right about when I fell out. Did

that happen fast? Like did it just start cuting? Was it? Did you have like the like ring around And I didn't have a actually started with like a little spot up here and then it kind of thinned out, and I was like, I was gonna be fine, and I was wearing hats and stuff. And then one day just kind of rapidly went and I fought the shave, the shave of the head for a while, and finally I was like, Okay, this is just this isn't helping anybody. But at least you got like the nice full beard,

you know why I didn't. For a little while, I didn't have a beard. And then I really looked in the mirror one then I was like, I look like a cute tip. And I was like, but a cute tip with like a fatter body, you know. And so so I started growing up here and I was like, oh this helps balance out. Yeah, grewing? Did it growing nice? And even did you have like bolt spots like I got on my face spot right here that just won't grow in? You See, I have the same thing that's unfortunate.

See this, Yeah, it's like in breeding or it's very I don't know. So in front of in front, in front of each of one of us right now, we're holding a new bar created by hay Bow dot com. It's hey body, Body Body dot com. So Amy, what is this? It's a bar that's body wash? So what shocked me? When I asked for your information about how often you shampooed. The answer was once a week, once every other week. Ryan said once a week until his wife made him do it twice because she thought it

was disgusting that he only did it once. So we have a bar for you guys to try. This is all in one shampoo. Yeah, hold that up, rick shampoo, face wash, body wash, all in one in a bar because I thought, all y'all travel a lot, so you can't you get this through airport securities easier to I don't think they should rename it a body just because I might be messing it up. I don't know. I thought that was a clever name, and then I realized, I don't know, but maybe it is. Maybe it's b

O D E. Hey, it's hey. I've never used the bar. How I do it? I just whatever my wife has in the shower, and whenever I think to shampoo my hair, I would say, it's probably I think. I responded, once a week, I'd probably shampoo my hair. And off of what you just said, it's crazy as this is, like I said, I lost my hair for some reason, whether it's habit, I still use shampoo on my head, a face soap, and then regular like body soap on my It makes zero sen on your head probably, I don't know.

Maybe about I'm gonna try this though, because I use one bar for the whole thing. I mean, yeah, we can take the mic on the show a little's just sparkling a little bit. This is taking a turn. I'm not saying no, I'm just saying it's taking a turn. Do you condition? No? I don't the line there? Do you? How about your your beard? Do you wash your your beard with shampoo? No? I use my face soap. I uh so, you guys count your intuitive products that you

use like our routine. I have one thing, the only one thing that I have, like that's my own product in our is Keel's Men's body wash. Has it smell fantastic and it's like powerful, it's strong, Like when you honestly you put this on, you feel like, yeah, this is this a man's product. You feel smell smell? Do do you do? You do? Are you like a natural like a dealdorant or an anti perseporant person? I don't

do either. You do no deator whatsoever. I'll put the odor on paving like once every three months, no way, because like night, what night is that special? Occajun? I have no idea. That's a great question. Like randomly, hasn't you know you're gonna be riding a subway in New York You're like, oh, where did the It's just random, dude, All of a sudden, I see it. I'm like, oh, I got the odor and I'll throw that on. How does the professional athlete sweat that much and not use

the odor? And I don't because honestly, it keeps serious. So I think that's that sweating flushes your system. So people that sweat all the time like you are always. I eat healthy, I exercise all day long. My system flushes itself daily, and I think that way you have less body order. I think people that have bad body order are very inactive and eat unhealthy. That's what That's what they say about any persons and sunscreen and whatnot,

but they say it clogs your pores. So to your thing, Kevin, I don't use any purse burnt anymore because I feel like it's just rubbing on like cake batter, but deodorant. But not on, I see, And that's why I don't wear it because but I actually won't think it's it's keeping it in. It's just I do. I feel like it's just kicked on. You see what it does the

T shirts. A month ago I tried. I had read everything about how there's aluminum and mainstream deodorant, so I went the Whole Food's got one of those non aluminum deodorants, tried it, and it doesn't work. I mean, so it doesn't work. How I still sweat when I wear that as compared to using a mainstream deodorant that actually is active. Maybe maybe that's why I don't wear theodor because I'm

gonna sweat regardless. But I run hot so like and also during the course of the day, I'm training multiple four or five hours in the course of a day, what's the point of having deodor it on. I'm just gonna take that shirt off, put a dry one on. Take that one. And maybe you're just not wearing a shirt long enough for it to get stinky. Perhaps you smell like a bear. You don't wear a shirt long

enough for it to take effect. It explores why the studio smells like onions, right now, or maybe maybe you shower twice today. You know, you shower in the morning, you go work out for four hours, and you shower in the afternoon. You don't need to be you just have to win laundry match so you can wash all those shirts off. Well, what about you on stage? Oh there? Do you put anything on? You just say whatever, I'm gonna sweat anyway. If it depends, depends if I showered

right before the show or not. If I shower right before the show, throw my stuff on, then I won't bother because I won't be wearing the shirt longer than you know, a couple of hours. So I'm gonna smell, you know what I mean. So it really depends if I just hopped off the plane, I'm on my way to the show, and I'm not I'm not gonna make it in time, you know what I mean. I've it's you know times, you know, Yeah, sound like I smell

so well. The other thing I think, I feel like a lot of the products that have come out for men are are more tailored towards with a cent on it, you know, like now it's after shaved or beard grooming oils and all this type of stuff where and that's kind of come more mainstream instead of instead of deodor Back in the day, it was it was deodorant, and that's it. Maybe after shave you slap on your face, but now it's okay, it's it's beard oil or it's

after shave lotion. That's a lot of products. There's a lot of things out there that are hair goop or whatever you want to call it. And so you don't need it because you already smell good. So technically, here's a question for you guys, and also for our listeners, for our guys listening, um, over under, would you have like four or five products like hair or shampoo or body lotion or like I have something to put in my hair, I have key those body lotion, I have

cologne and toothpaste. That's about the extent of what I'm running. A second, if anybody's count because everybody has toothpaste, so let's count that out. So let's say, over under, do you have five products for personal hygiene? And it's not it's not right or wrong. There's no right or wrong way. And and for our listeners, email us at man at i heart radio dot com. Let us know if you have lots. If you have fifteen I have, there's somebody in my life that I don't want to name. It's

probably got seven and you can't live without all of them. Well, I have another question, Yeah, hit me? Is this is this the products you have at home or the products you travel with they're the same? Are they the same products but smaller bottles? Yeah? So I have a cologne, have a cologne a big bottle at home, in a small travel bottle, same same scent. That's your same same thing. Yeah,

my wife buys it for me, exactly. I'm a firm believer that your body gets used to things, So like deodorant, cologne, toothpaste. I'll have a couple of options because I think after you use something for a long time, your body adapts to it and you gotta switch it up. He's a theory for everything. Yeah. Yeah, him a microphone, He's changed his T shirt three times, put on two different watches, he's got this is a different drink. Theirst half of the show, guys like, do you use four rounds bottles?

Because that's what T s a except like what you so, okay, what do you got over under five personal hygiene products at this table under under we'll tell Kevin what is your what products? Do you have a regimen? Yeah? Changes, So you get out of the shower whatever, it's not nothing. You know, don't call me crazy theorists over here, but you know, you get out of the shower, what happens. Uh, don't tell us what happened? Air dry? Okay, I'm kidding. I Uh what do I do? I mean, I have

a few products. I use a I like a what do you call that powder? That's really baby powder, gold bond, No, no, not that stuff. They say that's really bad for you. By the way, like even if it's a hot day, don't don't sprinkle, So you know they have I wish you guys could have seen the motion he said. He said don't sprinkle, He actually sprinkled. He never mind sprinkling. I did a little bit. So you know what what's

that stuff called? It's got the like the little exfoliating stuff in my face like a couple of times a week after the showers, in the show, in the shower, in the serat my face last. Maybe that's would be most open. Is that why? I agree? You watched the face last. I gotta wash your face last, because you don't want the shampoo. If the shampoo gets on the face, then it's contamidating. You always watched that's right. I feel that you feel like Ryan would be the most educated

one in this time. He probably would be that you looked like you'd have your doctorate in particular subject it for beauty problem. I don't know, Brian, why don't you explain to the guys that when I asked you about your hair that you said after you wash it. I sent you the lines from American Psychopatrick Bateman flat and fluffy sho I said to Ryan, how often do you wash your hair? And he said I only liked to once a week because it gets flat and fluffy, and

no woman listening understands what. I started washing my hair more because my wife said that my pillowcase stunk and I had to wash my hair more. Yeah, we do. But like so, I've now up to it to like every other day recently, and it's we're working it out. I know that to have your hair like you like, beach hair, that's what I want. Beach hair. You come out of the right now. I tried a my time the ocean salt spray that dry bar. Maikes tried that. That gives a little bit of a texture to it.

It looks good right now. What you need to do is you need to put one of these hay body dot com bars behind your pill and you don't have to wash. So are you gonna try this bar in your hair or you got your thing dialed in where you're like, I'm liking my hair, I'm willing to give it a shot. I have. I have a routine when I get out of the shower, though, that is a

very standard routine, and let's involved. It involves the face lotion, and involves the hair product which is a paste, and involves some under eye cream because I have dark circles under my eyes like a raccoon. I gotta get that going. Then we do a cocoa butter on the body. Cocoa butter is where it's at. If you have not tried it, you're not so let me ask you a question. This is a weird question. Ears. What do you wash your ears with a body soap, face soap or the shampoo?

I don't think I washed my ears at all. Are they all not the same? I don't know? I mean, is this just because I was in locker rooms the whole my whole life, where they just put something in the middle of the shower and you just check into your hand and you use it for anything. Well, let me ask you this. Playing a professional sports so in college we if a room in my teammate dropped the soap in the shower, you got behind him rally. Sometimes,

I mean we we had this. This ultimate philosophical debate was if he dropped the soap in the shower. He said, the soap is filthy, and he would throw it out, And I said, soap is the epitome of clean. You washed the top layer off and you can use it again. What do you think that that you lost me? That is more than I would just pick it up and use it. Can you tell me what epitome means? We got our producer Danielle here, who's going to ask a question and the gentlemen are going to do their finest

to answer it. So it's not really a question, but more of a struggle I have with you guys. Um. So I'm married. I've been married for all of six months. Um. However, one thing I have found to be a common thread in all relationships I've ever had is that guys automatically resort to girls being crazy. That's what they say, and the word crazy makes girls crazy crazy Already that we've tapped into the point, and it's like, why can't guys just stop saying the word crazy? Wow? I think who?

I think? I think it's because you, as we know, women act differently than men, so to us, that's not the natural instinct to act like that, So to us, that's crazy. So I think when we say stop acting crazy, it's like we don't understand it. And I think when when you don't understand something, you that the easiest thing to do is to to you know, kind of push it away or make it seem like something that's not normal.

Because if we say that seems like a normal thing that you're doing, Danielle's keep you know, I understand that you're acting very normal, then that's calling myself crazy and I'm not going to do that. So I think, can

I expound on that little place? I think also there's this other element where we say crazy, because I think guys approach saying from what we we view as a logical standpoint, and you're trying, we're trying to bring logic to sometimes an illogical perspective in our opinion, and so sort of like sometimes we feel like you're just looking to have an altercation because there's some things that we can't even we can't even fix you, or that we

have nothing to do with. There just be something random and we try to address it, and then you sort of turned it into it's our fault that something else is happening, and then we're just sort of like, all right, you're just crazy. I got to go for a walk. You know. Here, here's the question for you, Daniel, is it the is the word crazy a bit like a trigger? Just because one million? What if it was just like wild?

So here's the thing. If you were if a guy were to come to you and say, you know, I don't necessarily agree like I. I see it a little bit differently. Great, I'm so open to having that conversation. But when he's you're being crazy, then actually, because it's just crazy, I don't like that either. At calculator and I said, this is what you said, this is what I said, this is the equation, and your way off base.

It should turn into this, you'd be totally no, not necessarily, it's just the certain words that I guess, like you said, Dmitri, if you're being dismissive, I just wish guys like understood that woman don't like do you ever feel first of all, the question in and of itself, I would say, is crazy. Uh, but do you ever feel as if you are trying to pick a fight on purpose? Or No? I think the guys trying to pick a fight by calling me crazy. That's the thing. Well, I don't think it starts off

with him just going you're crazy. There was something that came that you know, preceded that, and that's it. Maybe where the crazy life let's go to let go? And I was sorry, sorry, yeah, I was curious, Like what do you want to hear? I just want to have a conversation instead of being dismissed. I think you hit the nail on the head with that. I don't think you're being crazy. It's just this behavior of this act

right now. Maybe you are. Doesn't mean you are a crazy, but it's also not a negative um like, it's just a here's what it is. We're emotional, we have feelings. We show them most of the time. You all don't. You're just more pragmatic and when you say what you mean and we're like filled with emotion. So I'm not the only guy who isn't it doesn't show emotion, but there are I think it's back to your question, Daniel. I think there's trigger words for men too. There's words

that like I think of. I don't know if I can say these on air or not, but um, prick is probably not a word I would like to be called or well, like if I heard that from my significant other, I think that would would upset me a little bit. So I think there are just words that for men and women that are trigger. Gavin just wrote those words down. I think he's planning on using them later. I'm just kinda like I wrote him on the paper,

I'm just gonna slide him over on the table. No, I was gonna say, you're a thousand percent right, because um, just with you know, my husband, he's exactly like you. He does not like any of those words, and if I were to ever say anything like that to him, he would have an issue with it, and he would have a big problem with it. And I guess you know, guys have their own words, their own trigger words, and girls have their own as well. And I think I could speak on behalf a lot of a lot of

women that crazy is one of those words. I will say this if I go home and get start talking to my wife and I say, you know, I think I think you're being illogical. I think this is I think you're just not understanding that, she will look at me and say you're crazy. Because if I if I try to talk to her, if I trying to talk to her like a therapist, She's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, get out of here. You're the nuts one. So m

way too much emotion. Uh So I think, um, I think, man, we should probably take a break on that one before it's because even more heated. Danielle looks Danielle looking at us like she's as mad at us as she is at her husband. So it Haaven's crying already. It's I am such tears. Let's take a break. This is how men think. And we've covered a bunch of like different topics today, some funny, some I'm serious, and we're going to dive into something um really serious. Ready if there's

a little cliffhanger for you guys. I don't think anybody knows this question, but I want to ask you. And the reason I haven't told you anyone or told anyone this question is because I want an authentic answer from you. Gavin will start with you. Here we go, putting you on the hot seat. Buddy, you can handle it. Okay, here we go. What is one thing you are immensely excited about in your life? And what is one thing you are desperate to change? Good? The real we're going,

We're getting in. Hey, we're getting in heavy now. Something here more capable adventuring that than me. Okay, what am I excited about? I'm writing a record, So I'm excited about putting out a new record. And uh so that's exciting to me. Going on tour this summer, right, Yeah, yeah, I'll go on tour, and you know, do what I do. You know, I get an opportunity to basically, you know, do a hobby for a living. So I'm lucky in that regard. And uh your other question was what I

want to change? What's something you're desperate to change in your life? To change? Man, I don't know, Man, there's a lot. There's a lot of little things, you know. That's the first one that comes to mind. I need to find a dog sitter. Oh for peeling back. I feel like I'm really getting another What do I want to change? You don't even have a talk. I don't need to know that it sounded profound. I want to Well, I want to continue seeing more and not just driving

driving past things, you know. So, being that I I do so much touring, um, I I feel like I miss a lot along the way. Um and so, I mean I was telling some people I knew what I said. You know, I had gone by the I had driven by the the Grand Canyon at least a hundred times, never seen it, you know. And uh. And so this past year, I bought an RV and I and I drove out here with my you know, my best buddy, and we, uh We're like, yeah, man, we gotta camp out here. He's like, he's like, never been in the

Grand Cannon. Said now he said, let's go, you know. And then I I did a little bit of road trip and you know, in the r V, and I've done two trips so far, but I want to do a lot more of that, just because I feel like we really get one go around here. And uh, and I don't want to be the old man thinking I wish I would have done more, seen more, taken more risks. You know a lot of people they say, oh, you want to have a long life, and all of a

sudden that I want to have a long life. I want to have a fulfilling life more than I want to have a long life. You know. I don't want to be the last man standing all my friends. I want to have a great time. So it's just how I how I enjoy. Good for you, man, that is powerful. I thank Phillis if you're around a bus. But that's awesome, Dude. I know what you're talking about because having traveled around for hockey, you get there, you punch, and you play

the game and you're out. And I've been in New York thirty times. I haven't done anything in this Yeah, so I get what you're saying. Have been good for you for recognizing that and then putting an emotion in your life to change it. Um, Dmitri brother, was one thing you're immensely excited about in your life? And what's one thing you are desperate to change? Hands down, I think the one thing I'm excited about is my kids. Um, I come home it doesn't matter what kind of day

I had. I walk in the door and the four of them come run and scream and daddy and they give me a big hug, and I try and record it on my phone sometimes just because it's it's pretty it's a pretty amazing thing. Um, But I end up tossing my phone aside because then I can really you know, it sounds maybe silly, but then I can get my arms around all four of them. Um, it's it's it's pretty amazing. Like sometimes they look up to me for things.

Sometimes my son, who's six, he'll look at me and he'll just kind of wink and give me a thumbs up out of nowhere. And it's like it makes me feel like I'm doing something right because they're looking to me for for you know, whatever whatever it is. They don't they know that I'm there. And the other the other night, I was sleeping and one of them came in, and you know, I don't get a lot of sleep, but it was like one of them came in and woke me up. So the first instant you think is

to be like, why are you waking in? What are you gonna do? We just do it. One of them came in and kind of whispers dad dad. I was like yeah, and they said I love you and I was like, so, I was like, get back to bed. I'm trying to sleep. Tell me in the morning for crying how loud. Um. So that's definitely something that that that keeps me going every day. UM. Good for you, man, that's awesome. So what was the other thing? What? What

am I? What's something you're desperate to change, not just like something snagg and something you're like, I I need to take action on. Something I need to take action on. Is I've I've been living in Los Angeles for a long time and I've been working and I feel there there it's it comes to a point sometimes and I think I feel like maybe a lot of people have

this this thought, but is this what I like? You know, you you make money, but it costs a lot of money in the sense like sometimes I get that feeling where it's like I kind of like to be in a small town. I like to maybe not worry so much about making money to to to keep up and and it's not like I'm keeping up like I want to have these fancy parties and stuff. I don't do any of that. But you gotta especially having that many kids, you gotta you gotta make a lot of money to

survive in that town. And and part of me thinks like maybe I should just find a slower paced life. And it's kind of what Gavin said. It's like, I want to I want to make sure I'm not just running through life. I want to make sure i'm I'm seeing things and i'm and I'm enjoying things. And I think a lot of the times you you get caught up like I gotta make this, Moe, I gotta pay this,

and we gotta do this. And it's like sometimes I think about whether I should just kind of slow it down a little bit, gotcha or dudes, we knock it out of this part, this podcast becomes the best one on I Heart Radio. We make a ton of money, that's true. Yeah, and you get deodoran. Yeah, and I'll guess out of that. Hey, hey, body is fantastic. By the way, good currently doesn't have any representation in the

personal hygiene. He's available there. He is available. Hey, Dmitri, I think we could, you know, find a but I appreciate you sharing, buddy, Thank you for that. Uh Rick, my man, what is one thing that you aremensely excited about in your life and what's one thing you are

desperate to change? You know, I probably have to echo the same sentiments as Dmitri, you know, and and go into the kid realm of things, you know, are My kids are both getting a little bit older, as we discussed on the show about you know, getting into their teenage years and and for me right now, the most important part is guiding them through those important parts of these ages of life, you know, and making sure they're going to make the right decisions when they get older.

Uh do we can we control that? No, Um, But to me, it's it's kind of coaching them and being you know, before when they're little and the Ryan's age kids, you know, it's more kind of you know, hands on and you're changing diapers and you're doing whatever. And now it's it's become serious things, right, you know, making the right decision whether you're going to go do something in a city or decided to take drugs or drink alcohol

or what I mean. These are real life things that are coming in play with my son, um or all of our kids as they get a little bit older. And so I want to make sure that that I'm guiding them down the right path. Um, And that's what's important to me. What would I change? Um? Or what was the second question? I'm sorry, what's one thing you

are desperate to change? Probably want to change my record that I'm I'm starting with Gavin there my song all the ones that I wrote had a line right through it, and I was asking you what was going on with that? But you didn't have a good answer. Um, what would I change? You know again kind of echoing the same sentiments.

And I feel like it's kind of maybe our age, you know, Dmitri and I when we started talking about this podcast and you know, started you know, collaborating about everything, we really had kind of a bond and we were talking about our kids and our age and what we want to do and whatnot. And I think kind of trying to figure out a way to slow things down. You know. It is the grind every day, whether it's

at work or travel or whatever. And I love traveling and I do a lot for work and um and I do get times where I cancel it down on it, but a bit. But it's taking your kids fishing, going on a trip, you know, enjoying a baseball tournament in New York City or whatever that is. And that's what I want to try to you know, you know, appreciate. Yeah, thanks for you, Ryan. What's one thing you're imensely excited about and what is one thing you are desperate to change?

I am really excited about my upcoming record and my tour as well. Just SA start a band and not tell me where do I buy a T shirts from your merchant? No, you know, I would say, yeah, I have a second kid on the way. And truthfully, you know, my dad was killed when I was younger. I grew up without a father. So having a boy right now and having a second boy along the way is something that I you know, my I was five and a half of my dad was killed, and so it was it was kind of avoid in my life for a

lot of my childhood. And so now to be able to be a father to him and to do all the things. And even when you pose the question earlier about you know, the birds and the bees talking you went around asking it was awkward for me because I was hoping you didn't come to me, because I never

had the opportunity to even have that conversation. So it's just every moment that I went through my own childhood, I now genuinely cherish those moments that I can have with my son and really look forward to doing the things that I never got to do with my father. So I think that's something that's really genuinely exciting for me. That's yeah, that's powerful. So in terms of something I would change, I think, you know, it's a lot of people echoed it already, but it's it's really probably being

more present. And when I do come home from work, it's it's I'm with my wife and I'm with my son. I'm not on my phone, and trying to be more present generally generally in life too. It's like with social media, is not doing things for the photo to put on Instagram. It's like living life, being more present and just enjoying the moments as opposed to feeling like you have to

keep up with the jones. Is to Dmitri's point, and this rat race that we all feel like we're living in Instagram life and everyone has to have one up the next person and be more present. Yeah, wow, amazing, very heavy. Gavin's crying again, all right now, it's my turn to ask Mr Brooks here. Uh, what's the one thing that you're excited about? I mean, you've you've done all this. Yeah, UM, I am immensely excited about opportunity

in my life right now. So coming out of professional sports, played fifteen years professional hockey and now and it's it's what I realize when I got out of it was how suppressive it is on other areas of your life. You are so micro focused on winning a Stanley Cup. Your whole life revolves around that. How you eat, sleep, train, your relationship, everything revolves around you winning, and that suppresses

a lot of other things in your life. UM, other things you want to do, other projects of service, being able to travel the world, these kinds of things, times with family, and I'm excited about the opportunity that I now have to dedicate time, energy resources to those things. UM, one of them being this podcast. I'm excited for how we're going to serve and help and IMPACTUM men and women across the world. I'm super excited about this. Have high level conversations, get to know you guys some more,

have some laughter for sure. UM. And then the other thing I'm really excited about is. I have a fitness app, a workout app called open Gym, where I'm sharing all of my knowledge that I've accumulated through professional hockey and athletics UM and have a training program that I'm sharing with everybody UM that is into athletics, into fitness. My mom does it. It's for professional athletes or for general fitness.

My mom does some of it. And I have some other friends that are professional cross fitters or professional athletes that do it as well. So becoming an entrepreneur building that being in this dog fetching element of the U from the dead left, that's a little add on UM if anybody. He had it on his his Instagram he was doing uh he said, I'm playing. Uh, we say, I'm working out with the dog today And he was playing fetch with the dog while he was doing like

what do you call his dead lips? Yeah? You know what those are? I love those those are from my whole body and strength in my lifestyle and from my herculate Yeah there you go. H. But that's what I'm excited. I'm excited about opportunity and freedom of opportunity. Uh. And then I'm also very blessed to be married to the most amazing woman in the world. So, UM, living in l a Is fantastic. I love that. UM many things

in my life to be excited about. Um. The one thing that I'd be desperate to change, I would say, would be some bitterness and resentment towards my sport for being done sooner than I figured I would be. UM, some relationships in the sport of some things that happened to me with me, UM, with some people that had some decisions revolving or involving my career. And I'll stick you on him, buddy, I might have to do a few dead before you take anybody down. I'll stick you

on him. But also along with that, thirty five years of my life was dedicated to professional hockey, to winning a Stanley cupp And so when I got the phone call that said you've been released in your career is over, there's a tremendous a tremendous loss of purpose and you don't just go from doing the thing you love most in the world to now doing something that's okay. So for the last year it's been trying to find something that lights me on fire that I'm like, let's go.

I can't wait to do this. Let's go, and I'm finally starting to find that purpose um with open gim um and then also with this podcast. I think it's going to be a large part of that because I really want to do something to serve and impact UM and so changing finding that new purpose in life. UM. So I'm not the rest of my life. I don't want to be. I was a hockey player, you want to say, I am a yeah, and you're not a can kicker. Not a can kicker, you know. So um yeah,

So that's it. Great, Well, maybe we can get you People's Choice Award. It's no Stanley Cup, but we'll go for that. It just means people like you, okay for a podcast for Podcast Choice Award, But I have no idea. Aby, You'll have to educate me on what this kind of stuff is. But I appreciate you guys. That was our first podcast, How men Think. Um. We appreciate appreciate everyone listening. And if you have any insight, feedback, comments, questions for us, any of us, send them to men at I heart

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