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riding shotgun with me. Eastern. What's up, buddy, what's happening, brooks It's good to be here. Yes, And we also have Tori Tory. Well, what's up, girl, I'm right here. Brought the snacks the waters dang producer Tory, kind of what kind of snacks do you have that sounds delicious? Let's start there. You know what I'm more of the person runs into Trader Joe's and just goes for like the dried mango to like the sweet and salty, like

maybe like some peanut butter pretzels. Oh yes, my favorite. Wow, yeah, yeah, I got us covered. I can't wait till we get to this podcast in person together again. I missed both of you guys, um east and I also want to just touch the hair. Do what's going on with the hair the well for everyone at home listening. I have a luscious head of thick, twisted ebony locks. Um, I have not cut my hair. You know, I the barber

I go to I pay through Venmo. So I was able to pinpoint the last day I got my hair cut, and that was November. So it has been a while. Um, so what do we have to do to get you to go like a full year? You know? Actually in high school I had hair down to my shoulders. I looked like I looked like Howard Stern. But um, I uh, I haven't had that long in a really long time. I usually like I go pretty pretty short, but I'm actually kind of into it. So, um, I think I'm

gonna go a couple more weeks and then get it trimmed. Uh, because it's pretty unruly right now. But we gotta we gotta put this out to our how men think listeners, just to see if they want producer Engineer Easton to cut his hair or just let him rock it. I think I think you can go in with it. I think it's happening, and I think once that heat hits in l a um, it's gonna fluff up and be very voluminous. How do you say volume? Voluminous? Voluminous? Yeah,

great volume in there. Eastern, Well, we gonna talk about your hair. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Eastven. What mine? Oh yeah? And if well slow you on Instagram they already know, but you've made a pretty drastic change. I so last time I went in, so for everybody listening, I just did a mohawk, a straight up savage mohawk. I haven't done a mohawk like this since I was nineteen years old, so it's been seventeen years since I've

done this. And so I went to UH. I went to a buddy of mine up here in Idaho who's a barber stylist, like just an artist. And I went to him last week and I said, I want to do a mohawk, but I don't know how aggressive I want to go. And so he kind of did one like it was just kind of a little bit of a mohawk, and I'm I'm like I got home and I'm like, nah, anything worth doing is worth overdoing. And so I went back to him today and I was like, Paul, let's go savage, let's go straight mohawk. And so he

just brought out the buzzer. He just wired the sides down, left the top long. Um beard is still long. So um, I'm I'm rocking like a Viking. Look right now, kind of dig it. When I first saw you on Instagram, I was like, Wow, that's that's an aggressive haircut, Like whoa. But then I then I was like, thinking about it, I'm like, that's that's a pretty hockey player thing to do.

Like I shouldn't be surprised, you know, like your you know your Brooks, Like you're a badass on the ice, Yeah you got You try and make yourself look tough, even if you're not. You just try and make yourself looked tough, so you have that intimidation factor. Um. But I know summers coming, man, I just want to do something fun and playful and um, I just wanted to

switch it up. So but speaking of switching it up, I want to thank all of our how men Think listeners for the endless amount of messages that I have received from you guys. In response to the episode we did last week with Scott Evans about racism, and that was one of my all time favorite episodes. It was one of my favorite conversations I've ever had in my life. I learned, I was educated, Um, I became aware, and

I was changed. Scott literally changed my heart, my mind, my thought process, and he challenged me in the most loving way to be better. Uh, and to challenge people in my commune need to be better as well. So if you haven't listened to that episode with Scott Evans, Scott is a wonderful human being, a light of joy in every room that he goes into. Please go back and reference the discussion that we had last week about racism and trying to seek and dismantle racism. UM. Really

amazing episode. He Scott brought me to tears. I think that's only the second time on this podcast that I've cried, UM, but Scott's story brought me to tears. And with everything that's current and relevant in the world today, UM, please go listen to that if you haven't. And for everybody that's reached out to me, I'll try and get back to every comment I can. But thank you so much. For the loving messages. The community has loved that conversation. It was difficult, it was deep, it was raw, but

it was necessary. So I just wanted to say thank you to you guys for the feedback on the show. We always appreciate when we hear from you guys. And speaking of that Eastern, We're gonna have some fun today, aren't we. We are we are. We're turning the show over to the listeners today, but take the rains. Yes, So we have a couple of people calling in with questions and we I have no idea what their questions are.

They're going to call in and we're gonna do our best as a podcast team to positively serve and impact these people calling it. So Eastern, do you have our first caller on the line. Yes, I do. Let's let's bring her in. Okay, So excited to have our very first caller today. We have Ali with us. Ali, how are you today? I'm doing well? How are you? Welcome to the How Men Think Podcast? Thank you for having me.

Excited to be here and we're excited to have you. Um, can you give us a little background information on you? Where are you? How old are how young are you? If you want to hear, um, what stage of life here in and then we'll get to what you're calling about.

Where are you correct? I am in Denver, Colorado. I am thirty five years old, and I'm sitting here with my dog who actually has a cone around his head because he has Hopefully he doesn't interrupt, um, But yeah, I am at a stage in life actually where I just recently left my full time position and athletics and recreation at the University of Denver, and I'm pursuing some other ambitions of mine, um, mostly day trading and then also trying to become like personal trainer, nutrition coach, some

different different things. At first, off, I want to give you a massive high five high five to you. I absolutely love it fires me up and I love when people bet on themselves. It's tough, I will say, it's not easy. Especially. I mean I can see either maybe in like early twenties when you're just trying to figure it out, or a later stage of life. But right in the middle, um, I mean late twenties, I went through a divorce which kind of changed my perspective on

everything in life. And um, so here I am trying to okay So how long have you been pondering this switch and when did you make this pivotal moment, like make this pivot in life. I made the switch probably a year and a half ago or so. Um. I have to say my father, who's here in town with me. He's on the day trading side, um, and he kind of gave me the push to do it with him.

But I've found now a year and a half later, that it's a very individual endeavor and trying to figure that out on my own and where I fit along with doing it with your father at this stage in life is also not the easiest. But it's been great to be able to spend time with them too. I mean, just with all the craziness going on right now. I mean the university I was working at here in Denver

just did massive layoffs yesterday. So I'm getting all these texts of my friends that people who work there are twenty plus years that are losing their jobs. And I am at least feeling like I'm doing things I want

to be doing and hopefully can make work. So so you've been in the new venture for a year and a half, Yeah, somewhat new things keep that was more than day trading, the whole personal training, nutrition coach that's come about really just during this the last few months stuck at home, it was really my like what do I want to do when all this is over? And what am I passionate about? And I need something to keep my brain busy. So it was like why not?

Otherwise I probably would have never done it, And I can't imagine if I hadn't done that. Yeah, so you but you have a background because you work in athletics and recreations, right, you have a background in in movement and wellness. Yeah. Yeah, I've been a hockey player in my whole life. And what position? Um? Any forward, mostly center, center, wing, whatever. Oh, yes, you're a skater, probably at five. I'm only five to so most people are like, what you played hockey? Yeah,

that's amazing. I love it. Are you a Colorado Avalanche fan? I am. I actually I grew up here. There aren't so many Denver natives anymore, but I actually it was fortunate enough to go up down the street from Peter Forsberg, and he was my idol before I moved down the street, so I then got to know him and he would take me to practice with them, and so, I mean, I was so lucky. But yeah, that is Ali, I'm

so jealous. That is the coolest thing ever. Peter was a one of my favorite players because he was incredibly talented. He was an all world talent. But the thing I admired the most about Peter was his absolute fierce competitive spirit. He was an absolute competitor. He had those eyes, right, he had those eyes that were just like you could see he was locked in and he was just do you ever play against him? I played against him? Yeah, yeah, yeah it was. It was awesome because I used to

play him on my saga Genesis. I used to have pictures of him on my wall, like me too massive influence. I wore number twenty one and yeah, so that's amazing. Um, how can we best serve you today? Ali, Well that's a good segue. Actually my question is hockey related. Yeah, because I've been I stay here. I mean, as a female growing up in hockey, like the Stanley Cup was always out of sights for me, Like I was even fortunate enough to go to a party with the cup

and like get to hold it. And I remember seeing like seeing the kids around that were male that would like not touch it because that was just like until you craze it. But that so I have a different, like gender perspective. But so I'm curious if you were still playing hockey like this season, with all this craziness going on, and all of a sudden, like your season ends mid season, would you, like truly hear what June

eleven want to go back and fish this season? That would be shortened and guessing playoffs wouldn't be your like historic seven game series, Like how would you feel, like, would you truly want to go back? And would winning the Cup this year be the same as any other year? Truthfully? In a heartbeat, right now, let's play tomorrow, Let's start now. Yeah, Like it's the same competitive desire to win um And I actually I actually really enjoy when circumstances get messed up.

So I think this season, this season is obviously unique, right with the black Swan event of coronavirus, and like this season is unlike any in the hundred plus year history of the NHL. That being said, they're still going to award a Stanley Cup winner. And if even three years out of the game, if they said Brooks come play tomorrow, I'm in right now, right now, I love it there. It was one of the greatest honors of my life to every single day be able to compete

for the Stanley Cup. Oh I can imagine. I mean I remember as a girl growing up, I mean twenty plus years ago, when like they told me I couldn't win the Cup. I was like, well why not. Yeah, it's gonna be heartbreaking. Um, female hockey is there's the World Championships, there's the Olympics, there's college. Um, but yes, female hockey does not have Yeah. I just can't even imagine. I mean, I love and growing up around like Forsburg and being I mean I just can't even imagine like that,

just striving for that. Have you ever thought of getting involved with the apps? Um? I don't know. I mean I've done a ton of work. Like my first job out of college was actually in the Central Hockey League, done in Amarillo, Texas of all places, which was tough because you're competing against high school football that draws forty people. Um.

So I mean I've worked in hockey. I truthfully, I think I and that's partly why I got out of athletics and recreation as I think I enjoy it so much as a hobby that I started to lose sight of. Like I had to work for games every Friday Saturday night for so long, I didn't any longer want to go see them, and like I don't, I don't know, So I think I'm more I don't know that I want to work in hockey. I think I'm probably leaning more towards like coaching hockey, giving back to That's how

That's how I feel to Ali. Because the I always thought I loved the sport. I always said I love hockey, I love hockey, UM and I did. But once what I found out after I was released and my career ended, was that I was actually in love with the competition interesting and the platform was just hockey. Yeah. Once the competition, the world class competition was removed from it, the sport didn't have as much appeal to me. I haven't been on the ice since the day I was released. It's

been three years. My mind, I skated forty days a year, and then you haven't been on the ice since in three years. I haven't been on the ice since Thanksgiving Day when I was released in UM. Because the and it's sort of a hole in my heart I was going to say, is that like an emotional thing, you think that somewhat of there's I'm trying to figure it out.

I'm still processing going through it. UM One. The first, first and foremost is that without that competition for the Stanley Cup, to compete with and against the best in the world, without that present, it just it's like it's not the same. So I could go play, I could go play a Pick Cup game. I could go I

could be on the ice tomorrow tonight if I wanted to. UM, I have my equipment like I I could, but without that intense competition and the drive to be the best in the world at it, I'm not pulled to it. And I hope someday that I'm pulled back to the game. And what's that that that changes? Yes, because truthfully, there's so much I still want to give. Like I spent my whole life, I spent thirty five years trying to master excellence in this craft, and I don't want that

to just die with me. I want to be able to pass that on. So whether it's whether I have kids and introduce them to hockey or just getting involved with some youth programs, I believe for me to be involved with hockey again is going to be through children, and that is I will say, like my steps on, he's eleven and he's actually a goalie, and that has been like the cluelest and his mom and dad aren't hockey people, so this has kind of been like my journey with him, and like I will say, I did

not realize how seeing even like through a different position's eyes has been like the most fun and coolest thing I could ever. Like, I go watch and now I'm watching it from the goalies eyes, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I need to let oh, thank every goal that I ever played for because I look at this and it completely so I would say, I mean, I truly do hope for you because there is I mean, I think of us who never had the opportunity even

to like ever win the cup. Yeah, don't let this, don't let that ruin the sport for you, because there's so much I have to say. I even this is funny. But back it was probably January, I think one of your Guys shows you were talking about like challenging people to like do something different for I don't know if it was like New Year's resolution or like what do you like, what are you doing different going into the

new year? And so I had started, like before you said that, I had started writing letters to people I didn't know, like as a means of maybe thinking through something from a different perspective, or like famous people or like they'll never So I actually wrote after you talked about like doing these different things, I actually wrote you a letter that's about like when you were talking about having a hard time getting over like not playing hockey.

I'd have to dig it up, but like that was months ago, but it was about like giving back to hockey and that I hope there's like more for you with the sport. Yeah, I thank you. That's so thoughtful and kind. I would love to Can you, um send it to me. Just send it me on on my Instagram or just DM me on Instagram and I'll find you. I'll have to find it, but yeah, I'd love to

read it. Um, that's very thoughtful. Thank you. There's actually just today I met a young boy, um who was a hockey player, and he was and his name was Beckham, and just made me think that I should be back in that space that my heart is alive in that space. I mean, I would tell you I felt a little bit probably of what you're saying when like two, I mean as a female again, like the only thing I

had to look up to. I don't even think like the Olympics Women's hockey was in the Olympics when I started playing, but through high school, Olympic women's team that won the gold was like my first, Oh, there's something that I could do, which I obviously never made it to that, but through some people I know. I think

it was two years ago. UM team was getting together up in Aspen, Colorado here for like a charity event and they were playing against another team, and so they happened to need some skaters on the team with Olympians.

So I got asked to do it. And I will tell you, like putting on the USA Hockey jersey, it was like the weirdest thing ever because I was like I never made it, like I'm not playing in the Olympics, but I'm like wearing this jersey with my idols, which was like so exciting, so overwhelming, Like I didn't know how to feel. It was like this is a strange moment that I like wasn't super excited about at first, but now, I mean then I had time to reflect, but it was kind of that same. It wasn't like

the moment I wished I could have had. Yeah, I think I think that's so cool though, Like I've represented Canada twice in international competition, in the World Junior Championships and then the Men's World Championships. I never played in the Olympics, but I played in the other two, the junior and the men's Junior and Senior Men's UM World Championships. And pulling your your country's jersey over your head and you look, I can't even like fathom when I did it,

just to like play in this game. I was like, oh my god, what would that moment be? Like it's it's like that, It's exactly that. It's But here's the thing, Allie, is you you deserve to pull that jersey over your head, just as the ladies who made the Olympic yeah to you know, we're when we when we play, we represent every single person that loves the sport that grew up

all across our nation. We represent everybody. You're part of the fabric of us being there, you know, so you have as much um as much, right to wear that jersey as we do. It's completely equal. You know you need we're in the jersey. Don't let the game. Yeah, yeah, I know if you're going to give that advice, right, truthful, truthfully. The other reason why I haven't moved back into the sport of hockey is I spent thirty five years inside a rink. Also really curious at this time what else

is out there in my life? What else is there in the world that I'm interested in? Let me try things, Let me try this podcast, let me see if this is something that interests me. Let's see, let me just kick tires. As you pivoted in your life, You're like, I want to try something new here, same was for me. I know that hockey is there, I know that's a lane I could be in. But I'm also curious on what are are my other curiosities? What other things am I good at? One of the things really fascinate me?

And do I want to learn? How can I do something different to impact and serve people? Um, So that's been one of the reasons I want to give that ample time instead of just going right back into the same thing I always knew. Yeah, that's fair. So how else can we help you, Ali, we have like a minute or so left, how else can can we serve your mission or any other questions you want to ask? Oh, I don't know that if I necessarily have any questions.

I mean, I guess I'll say, like from listening to you guys, if you guys, if all the like name players on the show where to Like this is gonna sound really weird, but like if you guys all had a bag be I would be like the child of the show because like hockey player, aspiring musician, songwriter, which I've really been trying to do in this time. Like you guys talked about, I've been married, I've been divorced,

I have step kids, I've had fertility issues. Like everything you guys talk about and like that has been me. So it's been really cool to like hear you guys talk about that because not a lot of men go down that road. So thank you. I appreciate the feedback. I appreciate you listening, and that's why we wanted to start this podcast. I in my life am guilty of not opening up, not talking about emotions, stuffing everything, um

internalizing everything. Probably most men can kind of relate to that, and I wanted to step into this space and the other guys as well, because it's it's practice for me. This is my personal development, is practice for me. I'm I'm exercising a muscle to open up, to be more vulnerable, to share my heart. Um. And thankfully all four of the other guy us have met me there, you know. And so we try to have conversations that are real. We try to have authentic, deep, raw, genuine Let's dive

into what men don't talk about. Men usually talk about things, the game, the truck, politics, they talk about things. They don't talk about what's going on in our hearts and what's going on in our lives. And I'm married to one. So get him to listen to this show. Get him, we should get him on. Maybe we should get him on. Oh that would be amazing. I can't imagine what he like. You ever want a challenge of someone who like he's German. He just turned fifty this year, so he's a little

bit older. He is like, I mean, awesome guy. Obviously I'm married to him, Like you want to challenge try and pick through him? That be awesome. Okay, we could have von um, but um, I just thank you so much for listening. Thank you when when people reach out to us and say they listened to the show or they removed or impacted by something we did on the show. And and also just thank you so much for the

hockey questions. There's so much thanks talking about it, and I wish you the best and I wish your abs the best. They're a fantastic team therefore having a good year this year, so they're so fun to watch. They have such some young studs that are just amazing hockey players. So, um, I love that you called in about hockey. A lot of people will call in about music, so Gavin gets a lot of questions. But I love that you called it. I do, I do. The music is my other love,

but hockey will always be there. So awesome. Thank you so much, Ali, We appreciate it. And I'd love if you can send me that letter, if you get to send a picture, and I'll respond to you and I'd love to read that. Thank you for your thoughts, your sentiments, thank you for listening, sending you love on your journey. Alie. All right, thank you appreciating Bye bye. I always love to hear from our listeners, We read your d M. But also you can call us um with your question

that one eight four three zero seventy seven. And we have a caller on the line right now who's been God bless her heart. She's been on hold for a million years. Um, but we have Helenda with us. Helenda, welcome to how many thanks? How are you hi? I'm good, it's been it's only been over however, that's okay. I apologize, I'm so story, but I'm here to help you as best I can. He Linda, what is your question? Um? Life post rides on my mind a lot. So how do I like being on my own two feet and

like a fishing moving out? I think I want to get start a career in another state and then just like building my life from there. Um, it's is actually a very exciting time, Helenda. It's actually I know it's very scary. UM. I'm trying to reference like my own experience. I remember when I moved away from home. I was I had just turned six when I moved away from home to pursue hockey, and I remember I remember not

being ready for it. I remember being away from my parents for three weeks or a month, I was playing hockey and I loved it, but I remember I was I was crying in the basement. I was crying because I missed my family so much. And I wrote a letter to my parents UM and basically said, I'm coming home. I'm ready to come home. I can't do this, this is too hard for me, UM, I want to come home. And I put it in my desk drawer in my

bedroom and I just never ended up mailing it. And I don't know why I didn't, But somehow I found the courage to continue on. There was there was a dream. I had, the dream of playing in the National Hockey League, and I knew that that dream would die if I went back home, and so I had to find the courage to continue on. And I believe that all of that is within you. I fully believe that all of that is within you as well. Yeah, I fully and And I wish I could lay out he Linda for

you steps. I wish I was better and I could lay out exact steps. This is what I did, and then this is what I did. I don't have that for you right now, but I do feel and firmly believe that everything you need is within you, and I actually really feel that you're going to be actually more than okay the world if you If you, I think there's two ways to view the world, and you view it as something f fearful or you you view it

as something as of an opportunity. And I hope that you're able to adopt this sort of uncertainty as an opportunity versus an obstacle. Yeah, are you able to have this conversation with any friends or family members, anybody close in your life that you can trust to open up and share this like, this is what I'm really struggling with And can can I just voice my concerns and have you listen? And then I would love if you've

had any solutions to provide or advice to provide. Um, I do, But I guess what I want to do is like a little different than what my family has done. I'm first generation Americans, so the university's and fill embarrassing. That's not something they've really gone through. I have my older brother, Um, oh my godmothers. But so are you the first member of your family to go to university?

Kind of yeah, in my household, in your household, brother, Yeah, my brother's he's going to But you know, are you feeling a burden of responsibility of that you don't have this amazing opportunity and feeling the weight of it within your household because maybe you are the first to go to university and there's an expectation that may come with that. No, it's not so much that. It's more like I know what I want to do, but like I just don't know,

like what steps that take. I don't know how, So like when that day comes, um, because there's a lot of stuff to figure out and plan out, Like the first thing to do is find a job and then find an apartment and then find a car, um, because I'd like to move out of the space from where I am. Okay, So, so the how the how really

trips a lot of people out. The how the how stops people in their tracks, you know, And I like and it's a it's a barrier of entry that that resilient people pushed through and that stops other people in their track and it makes me think of, Um, I can't remember which US president was, but he said, we're gonna send a man to the mood, We're gonna put a man on the moon and bring him home safely, and he didn't know how. He didn't know how, but he knew what he wanted to do, and they wanted

space exploration. They wanted to be the first country to land on the moon. So he knew the what, and then he he he challenged the nation and his people to figure out the how. But as long as you know the what and you believe in the power of the what and the why. So you know what you want to do, you want to be, let's let's even start there. You want to be in apparel merchandizing. Is that what you want to do? Do you want to do? State? I hear if you say that, Yeah, I want to

like that's like fashion related production merchandizing. Um, even like life and style, homegood anything in design like that, That's what I want to do. Okay, So that's wonderful because a lot of people don't know what they want to do. Myself, I'm I'm trying to included in that. I don't know what I want to do with my life right now. So um, that's wonderful that you know what you want

to do. And then you also said you want to move out of state, So which state you currently live in and which state do you think you might want to move to. Well, Um, I live in cantonas and I'm thinking Florida because Florida is against start But why Florida? What's appealing to you about Florida? Um? I think it's a good city here, that's a good start for me where I could find work in. Um, I feel like if he's like law Standalis in New York City, like, that's too I guess far out there for me to

start out in. Okay, I think I think ending my career in New York. I think a few decades from now, i'd like to maybe be somewhere in New York. Cool, right, Florida would be probably a good place to start. Awesome, that's fantastic. And I have no judgment. I don't think one is better than the other endea. I was just curious. Okay, so you live in Kansas. Do you want to move out of state? And Florida is kind of on your radar? Now? My next question is why do you want to create

this life? Why do you want to be in design and apparel merchandizing and all of that, and and why is it important to you that you pursue this. Why not give this up? Yeah? Um, it's something I believe. We all have our gifts, whether it's math or science, athletics. Mine isn't like I've always loved anything artistic, anything in design that since I was a kid, I knew that's what I like. I knew that's what I enjoyed, and

I knew that's what um I got praised for. So so since I was a kid, I had this idea and I'm evolving that that dream, I guess into this big goal that I have at the end. They have always I've known since I was a kid, I enjoyed. That's amazing. So in your in your in your life, because what we're all seeking, truly is happiness. What you would be happy. The reason why you wanted to pursue this is that it would make you happy and fulfilled

and expressed and you're good at it. Yeah, and yeah, I like my work to be out there and have like my vision sort of come to life and have that be admired by the public. I guess, Okay, So what happens if you don't do this? I mean, I have the drive for it. I feel like if it's a no brainer that you just want to keep getting up and doing something, which that's me. I I don't want to settle. Um. I don't really have a planned

be at least I don't think I do. But I know, um what you know, it takes time, and I know no one starts at the top, which is I feel like as a as a young girl, I don't like get things done quickly. But it's about doing things correct for you in your life, not getting it done fast. And yeah, I agree with you. Things happen when they're supposed to, not when you want them to. UM. I've actually been reading a lot on that. To Linda, I've actually been that exact thing that you just mentioned. I've

been reading a lot on that, um. And what I've been reading is it's called the law of least effort um nature. The tree will become the tree when the tree is meant to become the tree, but rest assured it will feel fulfill its entire potential when it's supposed to. It does not rush, you know, it does not force itself. It just grows as it's naturally supposed to grow. And

just some some of the laws of nature. I have been observing those trying to apply them to my own life, and it's taken the pressure to accelerate everything which we put on ourselves. Um. We're achievers. We desire to achieve, so we put this pressure on ourselves to accelerate things, and it's kind of taken that pressure off that what will be will be just by nature. So I love that you're twenty two, almost twenty two and you have that mindset already. I'm just learning this and I'm thirty six,

so your fourteen years ahead of me. Girl, You're doing great. UM. I also I want to touch on one thing. The reason why I asked you is what happens if you don't do this? Um. One of the main components of my drive and my engine to achieve my goals in my life was I was completely terrified of what my life would look like if I did not pursue my goals and dreams and aspirations to the absolute furthest possible point.

I was terrified if I gave up on You know, there's uncertainty of whether or not I would actually achieve them, but I was terrified on giving on what my life would be like if I gave up on them. So I said, I'm going to exhaust all possibilities, all ounds of effort, every intention and intensity, everything I can muster into it, I'm going to put into it, and I'm going to pursue it. And if it doesn't work out,

it doesn't work out. But at least I didn't give up on it, and I did it, and I lived my dream for fifteen years and still have to a degree to lend living my dream. That I wake up and I get to choose what I do in this world. That's truly my dream. Um. So I wanted to ask you, what does your life look like if you don't pursue that. I was terrified of what mine would look like and how I would steel, and so I got after it.

Have you given that any thought? How you will feel what life will look like if you aren't able two pursue this as you dream about it? Yeah, I think at my age that end goal won't won't be anything different. It might evolve a little bit as I grow and I learn, and I changed throughout until I graduate. Um, but yeah, I think I would feel unaccomplished. I'd feel like I'm not at my end goal. Um, I don't

know what that would look like. I think, yeah, Oh, I don't think i'd be fully satisfied because I do know what I want. Um, but yeah, I'm not sure that looked like. But it's here, right, Yeah, I guess so it's got so Truthfully, I think like for me, it was more scary to imagine my life if I didn't pursue my dreams. Then the fear that was present with going after the uncertainty of trying to achieve my dreams.

I had to move away from my parents, move away from my brother and sister at the age of sixteen. That terrified me, But that fear was less than the fear of what would my life look like if I didn't pursue my dreams as far as I can possibly take them. So somewhere in there I was able to find the courage to continue on. And I believe that you have the same courage, he Linda, I will and firmly believe that you do. So I think you are. I think you're wonderfully poised for success and you're gonna

do great things in the world. He Linda, You've got a fan here. Thank you, You're welcome. Okay, I'm gonna let you go over today, but I can't wait to see what you do in the world and the next house that I buy. I'm going to call you and have you hear your design the whole thing. I'm also even be worse at sticking out clothes and like fashion, so I need help in all regards to Linda. Yes, I'll do that, Okay, deal, Okay, Um. I wish you all the best and much love to you. Thank you

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