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they recommend this brand. It's called Brooks Brand sweaters coming out. Maybe that's my new player. I got a new thing called Brooks Brand sweaters. It's actually a Noble sweater. Noble noble and O b U l L. And everyone comments on this sweater. Tory commentsed on this sweater before. It's very nice, asked and everything. Yeah, this is a difference. Um, I'm just trying to keep the large okay, just trying

to keep up with you. Man. You got voted as you can Tasia Adams voted you recently as like more fashionable than No. No. I got dissed and yelled dissed me, and it was like I don't like scarves. I think it's called out that scarf was dope, thank you very much. It was Danielle Is coming to send us the straight um. That scarf was just not making any warm. So it was the point of it. It was making me warm. It was an accessory piece of it. That's pretty much

like he was. He was accessorized. What if I had to drive my hands in the bathroom and I don't want to get stuff into bathroom? Very practical, that's right where that scar travel with hand towels. That's what I say. You know what we're gonna do today, buddy, I guess the answer is we're gonna have a way. We're gonna have a fireside chat today. That's a good ideas fireside And what's going to happen is Tory has a bunch of questions and so this is like a get to

know Gavin, get to know Brooks type day. Can I say something before we continue? It is a podcast. I'm not a gas fireplace fan. Just in general. I like the crackle of wood fire. Everybody talking about the environment stuff, I get it, I understand, but if the thing doesn't crackle and move, it's just not really fire. I get you. I agreed. At our lake house, we have multiple fireplaces and we just feed wood into those. Man, those are it just it makes the whole smell. That smell, it

is my favorite scent in the world, best best. I love Carstena Jins. So anyway, that being that little tangent being said, we're going to do get to know Gavin today. Our viewers, our listeners. The one way they want to know who Gavin to grow is you know what, I want to know who Gavin grow. We're going to try and figure that out. So can you ever figure that out? I think it ever changes with him. One word you would use to describe Gavin, I would use three shock

and awe. I was literally just saying this. We're having lunched outs to so I was like, Gavin likes to hit people with the old shock and awe because when he saw the people are like look at him for a second, and then he like he holds it and then he furthers his thoughts and you can always see like a perplexion on the face of somebody. It's like, huh, it's a little shock and awe. So that's how I would I would describe gave thanks, but they're also very

profound and very deep. How would you just make fun Brooks thoughtful, kind and adventurous? My man appreciate. Yeah, I feel like like he gave me a better review. Like I feel like my review didn't do him justice. I don't need to be done justice is what is one thing you wish you had that Gavin has? Like? What quality? Mm hmm. I'm really no, No, actually it's not. It's not that I can't come up without it. I'm trying to think of like something like when you enter a room,

you meet every single person in that room. Yeah, you always meet every person. You introduce yourself to every single person. You want every single person to feel included, you meet them, you all whenever you show up, you always show up high energy. I love that you're always and everybody in the room could tell you're in the room, and you

are too. You're an extremely kind and caring person. You have a tough outer shell, but I undeniably know it's your heart that you're an extremely kind and caring person and people matter to you. Um, you love people? Yeah, you do. I know you do. I try to see the good people, I really do, and I give everybody the benefit of the doubt, of the doubt off the bat, and I even let them be a dick for the first couple of minutes if it need to be, you know what I mean, to get past that first moment,

You know what I mean. And I think it's important to kind of give people that, you know, just a little grace period, a little grace period, because some people are just a little bit more awkward than other people at first, and I try to give them a little bit of that leeway, you know, because not everybody is warm at first, you know. Um, sometimes I could be like a little bit socially aggressive, like hey, what's up?

Are you good to meet you man? Blah blah blah, And some people someone would be like like this, what's up with Mr Social? You know so? And I understand that too, So I got I give them a little leeway with that too, you know, got you Okay, So we are going to get into get to know Gavin, get to know Brooks a little fireside chat right after this break. Hello Fresh America's number one meal kit. Hello

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quality Brooks has that you wish you had? I love Brooks is calm mhmm. What do you think that's rooted in and for him? I think that Brooks has done wild already in other fat sits of his life, and that's helped sort of create a relaxed mindset for him in a lot of ways. And why do you think you don't have calm? Because I spent a lot of my time suppressing my wild Did you say suppressing? Because this is the tip of the iceberg, you know, what is my behavior what we're seeing? Yeah? Yeah, but really

you want more? I'm left always being like, what else does he have up his sleeve? Yeah? Um, I feel like I have a really good grasp on gave. I'm very careful about a lot of things because of the type of job that I do and things like that. I can be careful with my hands, I have to be careful with my voice. I have to be careful physically about certain things. So I really had babied a lot of things that I normally would't have babied if

this wasn't my career, you know what I mean. Besides a family member or a manager, who knows you best, Joey, my best buddy Joey, No, my brother, probably the best. Besides family or co workers. Who knows you the best, probably my buddy Joey or my buddy Fezzy Fez from Keith Andrew. I mean, there's a group of guys so I'm real tight with Yeah. We call him Fest because he looks like Yeah, So everybody started calling Fest. But

there's a group of guys. They know different versions of me, you know what I mean, and each one of so I've got a lot of colors, you know what I mean, personality wise, And each of my friends fits into a different I think each of them brings out different shades of those different different colors of me. You don't understand what I'm saying. Here's a question for you. Do you feel you'll internally like you cannot decide which of those shades you truthfully are and you are hoping to step

into full time being one of those shades. I'm all of them. I mean, I'm somebody who always went from table to table growing up, you know what I mean, Like at lunch, I'd go to ten tables and sit there hungry, friends, very so hungry. No, just because that was my personality type, you know what I mean. And and I fit in different groups for different reasons, you know what i mean. So you know, I had friends who were the nerdier group, nerdier groups or whatever because

I got good grades. And then I played sports, so my other friends were more of the jocks. And then I enjoyed music, and so I had music friends, and then the theater and he had theater friends. And then you know, you're like, you know, you understand. So I had a lot of different interests and those interests. Um uh,

I had aptitudes and all of the all of those interests. Fortunately, and so you know, I had a very diverse group of people who I associated with or got along with, and not any of them necessarily got along with each other. That makes sense, you know what I mean, Because I was just my personality type. You were kind of the middleman that brought he just common ground to anyone. But you couldn't really put all those groups together. I couldn't

put those groups together. You know, they were so separate, you know what I mean, Like you understand advanced placement group, but that you're also you know, you're you're playing street ball, you know what I mean. It was just a different you know, it was the same for me, like a lot of I was. I was part of the athlete group,

but I also had other groups I didn't. I didn't and some some like I remember some of the hockey guys, uh, Like in school when I was in grade ten or eleven or two, of the hockey guys only hung with the hockey guys like they hung in the click. And I was like, like, people are people, you know, like that you don't have to be on the hockey team for me to be friends with you. And that was the same way when I played hockey. We still had friends in the community that I was playing in that

weren't hockey players. Um, so I assimilate with that very much totally. I just had a conversation about it with buddy of mine if I grew up with He was like, yeah, I remember me, like you got to be like sixteen fifteen, sixteens, Like yeah, we'd call you come play ball, and You're like, no, man, I gotta work. I'm working on these songs. And I kind of felt in love so much the music that I yanked myself out of playing ball. And then they'd be like, man, we're playing a game. Man, you don't

want to be out here. It's you know, we're going to the next town. We're gonna play those guys and whatever. I'm like, no, man, I got I got a gig in three days. Man, I want to get the songs up and ready and so. But it was nice having those invites, and you know, I still loved all those guys, but my ultimately, my interest in music kind of sucked out of a lot of those those those things that I enjoyed a lot, you know, that makes sense, you need to do. But I still love those guys, and

I still played ball here and there. It just wasn't as it wasn't as much. The same thing happened to me when I was fifteen. I stopped playing baseball because I started playing summer hockey. So they play hockey through the fall and winter, and then I play hockey in the summer where I used to play baseball too. Yeah, you get it. You get pulled, you get pulled away,

but with interest. But you still have those friends there because you They knew you were competitive and you're cool on whatever, so they wanted to you know, you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, And the true friends, the ones that are actually your true friends, actually just support you in your mission to know they see what it means to you. And the other ones that maybe aren't your friends, it's a filter. That sort of separation is a filter, and they'll be like, oh, he's too cool, he's doing

his own thing or whatever. But your true friends yet there there for you agreed, How would you guys describe your high school self? And maybe like a couple of words. This is very easy for me. I was non existent high school when I was thirteen. I was already nineteen year old playing pro hockey. That is where my mindset was. So like, my friends used to try and get me go drinking, and you're trying to get me go to parties,

used try and get me to smoke. Um. And these were my grooms and these are best friends in the world. And I would just sit there and be like, thirteen, fourteen fifty. I'd just be like laughing. I was like, you guys don't even know it. Well, you know it, but I have the NHL in the palm of my hand four years from now, Like I'm already four years from now playing in the NHL. UM. And they were just they were teenage kids in school, and so I was like, I have to be in school for now

because this is part of the process. But I'm already three or four years from now. So I didn't School to me was completely irrelevant dating and like high school and those problems and issues and peer pressure was all irrelevant for me because I was just I was lasered on making the NHL. So I wouldn't say my my like my high school years were normal at all. But how would you describe yourself and focus just like focus. And what was the other one? You said, irrelevant school.

It was just the first one, he said. I don't know. It was just I wanted to matter. I wanted to Yeah, it just didn't matter. I wanted to be somewhere. I knew where I was going, and I wanted to be there. I mean, there's multiple years in high school and each one was you know, different. It's totally totally and it sleeps and bounds. I mean, those years are so uh, they're they're they're big years of your life, you know. Um see that's where I disagree, like those years were

nothing for me. Well, thirteen to seventeen is a giant change in my opinion. I mean when I was thirteen, it went from like you know, went from like g I Joe to you know, medical school. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna go to medical school to me, I'll probably end up medical school. You know. I was really religious, and I thought, I want to make the Blind Sea like Jesus did. I'm going to be an ophomologist, and that's what I want to do. I've already played mu Zick,

but I thought it would be a selfish lifestyle. I went to a concert, and I was like, no, this is good. This heals people, this helps people. I decided to play music. I was fifteen when that happened. That's so cool. Weird, right, it's silly, but it's so cool if you got into music because it heals people and helps people. I already played music, but I didn't think that's a career it would be the right thing to do because I felt like it was such a personal

thing to me and it seemed selfish. It's weird, right, So so then but I thought, well, this would be selfish. But then when I saw a contract I saw believe jel play, I went wow. I looked at the people around me. I thought, wow, this is this is medicine. Music is medicine. This this is not selfish. I should do this, you know. But that really can really change my focus from it being this this hobby, this uh

you know, something I did just for me too. Wow, this is this is something I should do because because it only not only makes me happy, but it'll it'll it'll be good for people to other people too. Um So then, um so for me, those years were very big because those are the years that changed me, you know. I mean, I literally remember having a meeting as a kid as uh, probably a fourteen, fourteen year old with principle, you know, and uh and I remember I said the principle.

I said, listen, I'm wasting my time here in high school. I need to pursue medicine. This is this is the time in my life where I need to be focused. I need moving ahead. Why am I reading Shakespeare? I don't want to read Shakespeare. Ironically, I've become what a writer. I've become a songwriter. Right, So, so I didn't know. I thought I knew, but I didn't. You know, the big life moment hadn't happened for me yet to truly find my direction. And um, amazingly, just having that opportunity

allowed me to really choose my direction. And then and then from that point on, you know, everything changed. Academics became less important. You know. I still did well in school, but by the time I got accepted the college, you know, I changed completely. Once that happened, I was like, forget. I started wearing pajamas to school, you know what I mean, bringing a pillow, putting down on the desk when the teacher started talking, going to sleep, laying on the table

in the back. You know, it became different leaving school early because it was done for me. I had my direction, I want to play music, and it was somewhere else. It was. It was exactly the same way you talk about hockey. The second you made that full decision that you really knew what it was you were chasing. Everything else was just kind of in the way. You know, they were like they were just just That's why I said high school, you were just slapping out of your way,

you know what I mean. There were it was a slalomn course and you were just slapping down the you know those those polls you know, Um, it was the exact same for me, and um that happened younger for me. But then my grade twelve of my last year in school, second half of the of the semester, second semester, like I didn't go to school hardly at all. All. I had like a hundred and thirty absences, Like I just my teachers would be like, I'd be like, why am

I coming to school. I'm not going to school next year. I'm trying to make pro hockey totally. Why do I need to be in this math? You want me to share another odd thing piece of information. Apparently I had set the school record from tardiness. I don't believe it. I think you've definitely set the I heart I heard podcast record for tardiness as well. But you made it here today, and whenever you show up, you do show up, Buddy said, So, okay, we're gonna get it. We'renna take

a break. We're getting into more questions. Get to know Gavin, get to know Brooks. Coming back after this. Okay, we are back from break and we have producer Tory ready to ask us some fun questions. We're gonna have some fun questions and see if we can find a way to add some value here. Are you ready? By the way, let's just preface Yeah, let's just preface this. Gavin and I have no idea what kind of questions are coming our way. She's got some cards. What do you have

their tea? Can you set this up for us? I have some table topics and they're just like little cocktail. You know, this would actually be great for like a first take and to know someone. Um, I think they're just called table topics. Aren't they order them a speak? It's a little speed date right here. Okay, where would you wake up tomorrow? If you could choose? Where would I wake up tomorrow? If I could choose Rome, I'd wake up in Rome. I've never been to Room of One.

I watched Gladiator again the other day in the Colosseum. Has always been calling me. Um. I would wake up in Rome tomorrow. Ah, somewhere in Hawaii probably? Why is nice? Which last trips? Why? It was pretty amazing? Which island did you go to? Um Onto? The Big Island? Is that the one I went to? I think so? I have some friends were all the were most of the volcanic activity. I went on this unbelievable trick through a

collapsed volcano. Oh, it's crazy. Uh. And then um let me drove to thegether side of the island, more local, and uh, that was just it was just awesome, man, Just the views and and sort of like the terrain was so extreme from one side of the island to the other. It was like you were traveling through time because you'd see all that, just the volcanic activity, and then the results of volcanic activity, and then sort of as the progression of growth as the island got healthier

and healthier, it's just it's a superredible island. Crazy crazy, that's ride. Wake up tomorrow, t what's the next? If you could be any age again for one week, what age would you be. Oh, that's a great question. If you could be any age again for one week, what age would you be? Man, Damn, I would go back to Like, I'd go back to like maybe like twenty one, because I feel like I missed out. Look looking back at it now, I was so like wired into becoming a hockey player that I missed out on. Like I

never went to college, so I never had college years. Um, even through high school. High school basically didn't exist to me because I was just training and wanted to get out of there to go play hockey. So I never had like those social experiences of that most youth would enjoy. So I would go back. I'd be twenty one years old. Um, that would And I'd spend a week at the age of twenty one, maybe in college or something universe, just to understand what it's like. I like that. I like

twenty one. That was a good time. Um, this is a couple of you kind of like exactly like a year ago. I'm just wondering like, I don't know if I really want to go back to a time I really like where I'm at. I almost would rather change the technology back to what it was when I was twenty one. We're like, not everybody was running around taking pictures everyone all the damn time, and videoing everything it

did and recording everything you said. I'd like to bring back the that technology to right now and see, like just kind of have people interact in a way that they didn't feel like it was being documented. Okay, wow, profound buddy. I like it though, It's just where I'm at. Okay, Tori, I do. Would you rather have more energy or more time? Let me think of this for a second. Would you rather have more energy or more time? I have a ton of energy a time. What I'm working on in

my life right now is creating more time. I feel like I fill time with stuff to do, and I'm like, really,

is this what I want to do or do? I just want to have fun in my life, and so for me, one of the things I'm working on in is making sure I have space and time in my life to do things that just make me happy, not things I think I'm supposed to do or what I should create or what I should do for a paycheck, Like, I just want to do things that make me happy at that moment, not putting like say I wanted to

fly to Hawaii today, Like why not go? Let's go, Let's go to Hawaii today, you know, instead of putting that off. Oh that's something I would like to do. Yeah, that sounds fun. So I would say time energy, I got an abundance of I'm trying to create more time. I'm down with that. I'm I'm with you completely actually on that old thing what he said, Yeah, time for sure. Where do you guys feel like you have wasted? Like where do you feel like you waste the majority of

your time that you want to cut back on? My mine is like entrepreneurial activities, things that like coming out of hockey. Right, So, as an athlete come out of hockey, you stop playing, you stop getting paid. So you know you're making millions of dollars a year, all of a sudden, now you you don't have a paycheck coming in. So

there's also a purpose. So like, Okay, I want to do something that serves and impacts people and inspires people, and so what does that look like um, and then I just started doing some things like I'm like, oh, I should create something. I want to create a business.

I want to read some business books. I want to like explore the business mind in a way with time and resources that I couldn't when I was playing, Like as as a having the time that I have now has allowed me to explore other curiosities in my life that I could never do what I was playing. And so I think I went overboard on that and created businesses and stuff that all of a sudden required my time And I'm like, for what, Like why am I doing that? So it's entrepreneurial stuff that I want to

sort of back off on. And when I do something like when I come to this podcast to do this podcast, I want it to be for the right reasons, because I choose to be here, not I think I'm supposed to be here if talent and money were no factors. What jobs would you have or what to have? What a great question, man? What jobs would I have? You know what? Well? I mean I could I could do

this right now like I would. I would love to be able to sing like I I admire this man right here because like when you performed at the like when you performed at the podcast Awards, Like, I admire that so much of being able to go up and entertain people. And you're entertaining people, Yeah, but to sing, like I just I love music so much. I have music on at all times of the day. I am listening to music. I find myself. I learned so much

about myself. I feel comforted in music, Like lyrics are powerful to me, and like I could just but I could go sing. I could go to like an open mic night and just get booed right off the stage. I play a little rock band. I sing in some rock band over there. I love that. I just have such an admiration for singing. Yeah, admire your talent. But um, and I love what you do man, and I love I love what you chose as a career. Um. Personally, I think you know, I've always fantasized since I was

a little kid. I always wanted to be g I Joe. I was just gonna say specials, you know what I mean, That's what I wanted to do. So um. You know, of course we all have different desires growing up and things like that, but that was always like fantasy land for me. You know, UM. But then I remember told my dad one day, I was like, yeah, I think I'm gon joining the military, you know, I want to

go kick ass and this and that. And he was like, Okay, let me tell you what your military crew would be like, Gavin, what I mean, I would like to see you in the military. We didn't even know you're gonna be here for He was like, he was like, you end up getting into order from some officer that you knew you were smarter than, and you let him know you were smarter than he was, and that would be the end

of your military career. So so anyway, so that would be like, that would be what I would want to do.

But I still in my mind, I still fantasize about UM being involved in in that element of the world, in that element of mission of you know, getting involved with I remember years ago there was a charity that that was, you know, focused on on freeing the child soldiers and things like that in Africa, and UM there's a lot of that type of stuff that goes on around around the world, you know, where people get abducted or they're taken from their families and they're sort of enlisted,

uh into militias or they're they're taking advantage of I still, personally, I still feel that's something that's doable, even even at this age of getting involved in things like that. But but in my mind, I still want to be door kicker, you know what I mean. I still want to show up at those places and I still want to be

involved physically physically in that world, you know what I mean? Um, And maybe that's how you satisfy that g I Joe Leman, or your of your psyche that hasn't been satisfied yet. I have another one too. I love that I aligned with that completely, and I have another one. I'd love to work at NASA. Just the concept when I think about this, if you think about space, that space extends for infinity as far as we know that there's no cap on space. That just blows my mind. How can

you keep going forever and never hit a wall? Like where does space go? And like to work in that environment in NASA Exploring that concept of like that space is never ending just fascinates me. So I'd like I'd like to go work at NASA. To some NASA engineers

do that at all? That would feel so I feel like I wasn't washing my hands enough clinical So you know, just like I can imagine being in sort of that philosophical environment, but but physical environment of of being in that that that that world that more, it would just almost be a little too clean, you know what I mean. Moving on can figure that out. Yeah, that's why I said, moving on. Oh, you know, everybody's like walking around and rubber gloves, and that's what you saw in the movie.

That's what I'm seeing, you know what I mean in my mind, you know, to clean. I'm too rugged and mountain too rugged to be at NASA. No, it's just just not I don't know, it just sounds a little I could imagine the concept of the of sitting around and you know, thinking about the grand the grandeur of it and the grandeur of the mission, you know what I mean. That's fascinating to me. The environment of being there. It's probably such a slow moving train. I'd be like man,

sleepy time. Okay, who takes care of you the best? Who takes care of me the best? Good question? It has to be me. Yeah, you take care of You're in charge of your own life. I mean that's a very simple also. M Yeah, it's just me. Um. I think that there's certainly a good element of that. I rely on a lot of people though for I rely on I don't know if a lot of people, but some people for sure, for that kind of emotional boost when you need that emotional boost, you know, close friends

and things like that. And uh, like, there's a buddy of mine I'm so aligned with. He's one of my one of my dearest friends. And we don't talk every day. You know, we'll talk sometimes we won't go from we won't talk for a few months, but he'll reach out whenever I'm feeling whatever reason. He just knows. He just knows energetically, I believe it. That's a really weird man. And he he and me are like really connected on that level, and it's really weird. And I said, he'll say, hey,

how such a section? How did you? How did you even know that? That's bugging me right now? You know, He just like, I don't know, dude, you mean you man, were just connected. Man, So I just thought I was gonna call you and and see see what's going on with that man. That's so agreeably strange. It's a great

friend to have. Many unbelievable really unbelievable. So so my day to day obviously, you know, I take care of me, but but I have a network of people who who I'm aligned with in different capacities and I and I need every one of them, you know, I want to say one not other thing too, because this is my first time, like having a big dog, like having dogs too.

Oh yeah, they take so much I never noticed before, Like they take so much care of you in ways that you aren't even aware of, and how much support they give and love they give, and just like that is such a unique partnership and that bond between you know, my dog and no dubt a bad ads man's best friend for real, it's just you know what I mean. I just wanted to acknowledge that kinship. They're totally agree. Man,

it's a special thing. It's a special thing. Every time you show up at the house, it's like, wow, where have you been missed? You so much? So great? Yeah, yeah totally. And you're like just check your mail outside, you know what I mean, like like you, oh my god, it's you are so great, but it is and like that tail is just wagon and like they're stomping their feet and like that energy is just isn't that the best? It's so it's so precious, like it's it's so precious. Okay,

ready for next question. Master, good to see you. Oh my masters, Yeah, girlfriends, cabin's past. He's like, you don't speak to me like buddy? Yeah the best? Master. Okay, have you ever had you be more like buddy when you talked to me? Have you have you ever had an experience that led you to believe in angels or ghosts? Yeah? M I love this question. I'm trying to think. I don't know if it was angels or ghosts. I've experienced

miracles before. Can we here at least one? It's a little weird, that's okay if you're willing to cell please sure. Uh yeah, I got I got surrounded once in a bathroom and uh wait, where were you? What bathroom? A teenager? And uh, there are no windows in this bathroom, only all official light. And I went in, uh to hit the head, you know. And I walked in and there was a group of people in there, and uh, they

said it was jump time, you know. So I was about to jump and the lights went out, so it's pitch black, and I was like all right, well, I guess I have to fight a group of people. And they were actually like reality and reality really yeah, oh yeah yeah. And so I grew up in a prison town, you know. So I was like, all right, I thought to myself, well, I mean, this is gonna be a

bad minute, you know what I mean. Anyway, Um, so, as I was waiting for the attack, uh, I was waiting for the attack, I heard like this little this, and that sound was the sound of a lighter, right yeah, yeah yeah. And then so then I saw the people around me, right the group, and then I thought, okay, well, I obviously have to hit the guy with the lighter, because that way they have no one awoke with they're hitting,

you know what I mean. So so anyway, but even before that happened, the lighter bled all over him and lit him on fire, lit his hand on fire, and it was and that was and that essentially was that he started screaming and flailing and they're freaking out, and they put the light on and I pushed through the group and I walked out. I've gone out of the room. I've never heard of that of a lighter leaking on you. Yeah, and so you felt that was some sort of divine intervention.

I experienced a miracle and uh, and I remember I had heard I don't know if it was like if it was real or not the story, but that that year there were recalls or something on Dick Lighter's for having some kind of weird problem. Um, but this is, you know, twentysome years ago. Yeah, so that was like I would call that a miracle just because you know, that was just you know, sometimes it's just too many. That was too many, you know what I mean. And

so yeah, I mean it's wild. Yeah. So when you see a man's hand light on fire in that one moment we were I was like, I walked out. I was like, yeah, cool, thanks God. He's looking at me like when I have a story that it sounds crazy, I know, but I mean I'm trying to think I don't have anything right now honestly that I can because because the question was angels or ghosts, Yeah, angels or ghosts. Yeah,

I'm trying to think of like a ghost one. Um, have you ever had a feeling where you felt somebody was like next to you or have you ever do you believe in people who can call into their side do you believe in spirituality? Yeah, I believe in all of that. I believe your spirits can exist around us. Um. I believe you can tap into different spirits, or you can transcend time a little bit and go into different

like I believe that. I'm I've been doing a lot of energy work and stuff like that and starting to learn about that kind of thing. I fully believe it. Um. I believe in in out of body experiences. Um. But do I have a specific story or anything like that that would I would really love to share that I could. I don't. I'm blanking right now. Yeah, but I do believe in all of it. I believe in angels undoubtedly. I also believe in ghosts. If you knew you wouldn't

get hurt. Would you rather skydive or view sharks from an underwater cage? I did an underwater I did the underwater cage with sharks. I'm actually thinking about doing free diving with great whites where you don't have a cage. Would you do that with ham uh sorts? I don't think I would do it with the play to ham on men. Well apparently though with you? Oh yeah, I'm way into it. I want to get in there. Just I've never went with a giant predator. I never, but yeah,

but here, who's the predator? Gave like, are we the predator? If you actually look at that relationship, who's the predator? Um? Well, I don't know, asked and asked the asked the sailors who get eaten by sharks when they're when they're when they're floating on a raft for for two weeks, and each year there are a hundred million sharks killed in the world. Did you know that for shark fin soup? Then that sounds Listen, so I hear you and that your story is touching. But the fact is, which one

should you fear when you hop in the ocean? I'm not. I don't want to hop in their world and try to make a buddy out of out of something whose teeth grow back within the day. I know. But there are people that I am serious than. So I've done this great white sharks. I did it in Guadalupe Island. I am seriously considering going to do a free dive with great white sharks. I think it's okay. I think when you die, can I have your stuff? Yeah? You can have my percentage of if I die. That means

you're in charge of this podcast. But no swimming. It would be could you imagine to magic man? Can you imagine if that was your go to right there? If ga, hey man, let's do that. We just want to check in and see where you are. He can we do just trying to figure out where you are? Could you just you're alive with buddy? Have you ever been skydiving? Have you ever been skydiving? No? Yeah, I haven't either, but I want to go. No, I would do both.

Which one would you do? Much more likely to skydive? Okay, certainly, I feel like that's more that's more up to me. I feel like the hopping in the water, um, and I'm pretty handy in the water. I feel pretty pretty confident in water. I'd say if I had to fight the terrifying human being, I'd say, well, let's get in the water. That's more like a comfortable place for me to be. Ice to swim a bit now with lifeguard

and stuff like that. And but I don't want to be in there with sharks, no thank you, not not gonna happen. A predator, no thank you. But that's just because you look at them like that that's because it's what they are. So were you No, I'm not. I'm look how I treat this animal? Yeah, that's that's him swimming around. Him swimming around on the surface would be treated differently by a shark than than him walking up

to me on my yard. You know what I mean that that you know this is my yard out here, that the ocean is the shark's yard. And I can't see saying go ahead, buddy, why don't you go swim out there and you try to, you know, tap into the psyche of millions of years of predatory evolution. Next one, that's crazy. Which which of your personality traits would you like to change my feelings towards great white sharks? I'll pick one for you being one time you're what's unpunctual?

Is it? What's your unpunctuality? Was that today you weren't? You were actually right on that You're actually right on the nose. It's just we didn't know at all. There was no communicado if you were even coming. But you made it okay. But real talk, predictability is how you win. This isn't the art of war. What personality would you

want to change? Um? I'm merely thinking. Here. One thing I'm trying to do is I had a friend of mine, Steve Weatherford, super Bowl winning kicker played for the Giants, gave me great advice that I still take with me. Is two years ago and gave me great advice, and he said, Brooks, I'm gonna pray for you, and I'm gonna pray that you give up control that your boat

is in a river. Think of like you have. You're a boat in a river, but your anchor down in the river and the current is just running by you. And I pray that you'll lift your anchor and just let your boat go with the current. And it's just still stuck with me. Two years later, it's still stuck with me. And releasing releasing like certainty, releasing the need to control circumstance advirus, that's why you want to get in the water with the shark, because you're trying to

get over that. Maybe maybe it's yeah, just like um, it's it's something I'm really trying to work on, and I've made a immense strides in it, but still it's something that quote just resonated so truly. I think what it is is leaving space in my life for like the unknown to come in and come through me, versus

me having to create things all the time. I think the thing that I would actually change would be finding that line between figuring out my happiness level with things, not my happiness emotionally, but like where I'm at as far as like feeling good about where I am career wise, work wise, life wise, but also creating a sense of urgency.

I lack urgency because to me life is good. Yeah, And so finding that line between getting the mission accomplished, um, still being happy and feeling like I can do things at my own at my own rate, at my own pace, but at the same time having enough urgency I need to tap into moving towards yes, just because I almost never feel like, oh, I have to get this done, you know what I'm saying, just because I feel good about things like I feel like, well, why do I

have to get it done right now? What? What for? You know? Um? Am I happy right now? Yeah? I'm happy right now? But how do you mix that with also getting things done when you when you should be getting them done? Know, you know what I'm saying. So here's something because I don't like to I don't like to have I don't like to stress out. I fundamentally pretty much never stress out. You understand what people freak out. I'm like, relax, it's good, it is okay, you know

what I mean. This is fine. It's a bump in the road. But that's but that interferes with having a sense of urgency to you know what I mean, everybody's bugging out of like, relax, We're cool. We're a hundred miles from nowhere, but we know at least it's a hundred miles and we know it's nowhere. We know something, you know what I mean. I'm always trying to be like, just calm down, you know, I get it. Yeah, but I also think there's a give and take with that.

Obviously there's negatives to that too. Clearly the final question, Yes, you're trying to get to that next question, right, He was about to say something right, meaningful. I was gonna let it go. He kept giving me the nod to go to the next No, do you want to know what I say? You want to sometimes so you need to say something. Here's here's something that I think about sometimes too. If I don't follow through on something, who suffers if I don't follow through on something, who am

I affecting negatively? Who is not benefiting? Who? Is it just me? Though? What if it's just you and you're like I could live with that, Yeah, that's fine then. But sometimes when it's like a project or a thing or something, I'm like, oh, I know that, I know that people could use that and it could help people.

And if I just don't feel like doing I'm like, wow, that I'm actually gonna cost a lot of people suffering if I don't do this for them, right, So anyway something to think about maybe to help that urgency because I feel the same sometimes. Yeah. T final question, would you prefer money for a housekeeper, a cook, a gardener or a personal assistant? Oh? What a question? Personal assistant? No? Why? Because then you can be like, hey do all those things.

That's a great that's that's actually where's hr or there's actually that's how that's how top CEOs make make decisions. That's a that's a decision making process that if you have four problems, you select the one problem to fix that's going to fix the other three problems. So if you've got a personal assistant, I guess the question is the money though, you know, if you could only afford one, Yeah, you can only have one. I think they call it an intern. Is that just you can get them credits

so they can work for free? That's what it is. Damn the intern A little slippery right. A housekeeper, a chef, and a personal assistant and a personal housekeeper, a chef, a guard again to take personal assistant off there because you can actually be like, can you cook and then go trim the edges? Is not going from the office to your household to cook you at dinner. It depends what that personal assists for. I would say, I would say housekeeper. Okay, yeah, what's the main reason for that's

the one thing you hate to do most childskeeping lines? Well, just just because then I can I can have that time I like. I like a clean home environment. I just really do. I like a serenity at home, and then if that's in place, I can take my time and focus it on things that I need to do elsewhere. I like to make a bean bag out of a laundry pile. Okay, that's your that's your Yeah, what's the one you would want? Mm hmm. A gardener, housekeeper, chef, hard one. This is a hard one. I would say

maybe it is a eight question. Actually, I don't know. Probably a housekeeper. I hate making the bid, something about making the bed and just doing your laundry and like cleaning floors or like all all that kind of stuff, like you want to have a nice home, to a nice home. A nice home creates order in your life. Yeah, I think it's a foundation. I think it's inn I agree with you. I think I think it really is. So housekeeper. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's it. That's it for

these questions. I like this game. This is a good game. And t I appreciate you, Tory, our producer Tori here to help you were okay, I guess Tori, I'm so glad I'm not a person. Oh my god, could you imagine myself? Do you imagine if you were Gavin's personal assistant, just the time that we spend together at the at the podcast, I feel like you have to go meditate after I'm meditating right now. That's what I'm doing. I love this. I love this contrast right here. That's it

for those questions. So I I appreciate that Tory gave. I always appreciate you. Man. I always appreciate your insc. Every time we talk, I learned something more about you and learned like your journey and you're like I learned more about you. And perhaps there's not enough room between our homes. Hey, how many times have I tried to get you to move to l A. I always trying to get that's true, that's true. We need to have

play date with the dogs, bro. We need to have played what I mean, And that's why I bring Buddy to the house. Yeah, bring Buddy to the house. Him and cold A rip around, a couple of two year olds, just tearing up his life. I love it. That's it for this episode, how Man, Thank you guys. Always appreciate you guys listening. I don't know if we say it enough, but I always appreciate you guys listening. Yeah, I thought, I hope you got some value and entertainment from this.

But I hope you're having a fantastic day. That's it for now until next week. Take care of one another, love one another, and we'll see you back here for another episode of How Men Think. See