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Just because you create something doesn't mean you have to fuck it. We saw Cool World, so you know what that means. Hello people of Earth and welcome to How Did This Get Made? I am Tall John Shear. Uh this is another quarantine edition of the pod. Uh today we are talking about Cool World, and Cool World is a movie that really uh defies any rational explanation. We're gonna get into it, but basically

cartoons wanna get into the real world. Uh cartoons are called doodles. Humans are called noids. And if you have sex with a cartoon uh they become real. Anyway, it's a real big mess. I don't even

I'm not even sure I understand what I saw, but to help me break it down, let me introduce my co host, Mr. Jason Manzukas. How are you, Jason? You know, uh, Paul, uh having just watched this movie I don't know if it is the quarantine or the fact that I haven't seen another person or touched a human being in two months. But um I got I'll not lie, uh uh I got pretty horny for these cartoons. I mean, uh you really like that cigar chomping uh partner of Brad. Oh, Nail. I'll I'll fuck Nails. Uh

Before we go any further, let me introduce uh someone who I think got a lot of laughs out of this movie because I heard her enjoying it uh quite a lot. Um, please welcome Miss June Diane Rayfield. How are you, June? Hi, Paul. I'm okay. How are you? I'm fine. How are you dealing with this quarantine? Uh I'm doing I'm I'm doing okay. I it's actually just thinking, you know.

It really is I don't know. Just just a very quick shout out to all the people who who are not quarantining'cause they have to go to work. Yes. Right now. I just keep on you know, it is it as hard as this is what we're doing and it's really hard. It is just amazing to me to see so many people uh obviously doing the frontline work, but also just delivering and

um doing all of the essential work right now. I'm just very appreciative and it and and it truly it is a privilege to be able to shelter at home. But so I am doing okay.

Well, I mean, do you think it's a privilege to shelter at home and get a chance to watch Cool World? I mean, that's really the question. I I mean it's like being on vacation. Listen, I don't know what happened. Last night. I don't I you know, and I was actually thinking about who framed Roger Rabbit, which I do think had a profound effect on me as a a youngster, that movie, and I felt like I was I felt like my fond memories of that movie were violated. Because this movie is so

Overtly much more sexual or why? Do you feel like this movie is an attack on the room? Yes. I loved Who Framed Roger Rabbit. And I thought it was so great. And I just enjoyed the hell out of it. And this movie to me was So terrible, so underwritten, so I mean, I I will, you know, we'll get into it, but I did think Kim Basinger was a uh a ray of light.

Yeah, you were getting some solid laughs off of Kim's performance. L O L'd Well, here's the thing about this movie, and I alluded to it in the beginning. This movie was pitched as a hard R film. See the original pitch, according to Ralph Batchke, was uh It was uh basically the concept was a cartoon and live-action human have sex. They conceive a hybrid child who visits the real world to murder the father who abandoned her.

That was the original pitch. And then we get this movie. Now that at least a an understandable pitch. This movie is It's hard to parse what's going on. Ralph Bakshee, who made this. is somebody who is like comes out of adult animation. You know, he made the Lord of the Rings an uh animated um feature in the seventies, he made Fritz the Cat. Like he's like a he comes out of a time when adult R-rated animation, like heavy metal and stuff like that, exists. Like in it's not

like they were trying to make an animated kids movie, you know, uh that was had all this sex in it. I think that's the mistake that, you know, like people had, which was, oh, it's an animated movie, so it's a kids movie. But this is uh my understanding, began intended for adults the same way that, you know, heavy metal might be.

I don't even know. I mean the human world is grotesque, the doodle world is grotesque. It's all so unfortunate. And none of them seem to be none of the money none of the major characters seem to be, with the exception of Gabriel Byrne having created Cool World the comic, and so created Hollywood and all this stuff. N nobody seems interrelated.

Really? No like I don't understand Who means what to who? I don't understand who are the good guys and the bad guys. I don't understand the stakes of this movie. I don't understand the rules. I don't understand why Brad Pitt is there at all. I have no idea why he's been sent to Cool World. Well let's just walk it back and just say that there's a big problem with this movie in the sense that Cool World was created by Gabriel Byrne, but Cool World existed.

decades before Gabriel Byrne created it, because that's the world that Brad Pitt was sucked into after he'd come home from World War Two and was in a horrible motorcycle accident with his mother. So So mustn't have mustn't Gabriel Byrne have created Cool World prior to that? No way. He that's in nineteen forty two. Like, there's no way. And they actually say in the film, I think Doc Whiskers says, we were here way before you created us.

Well because wait, was Doc Whiskers created by Gabriel Burns? Well, I think that cool world is Gabriel Burns creation in which these characters live, but yet it seems like he's just tapped into something that's in the ether because Cool World exists. Wait, wait, wait. But so you could Who made Doc Whiskers? Doc Whiskers, I think, is living in an alternate reality world. That's yes. No, I think you're right. So the very beginning when Doc Whiskers escorts Brad Pitt into Cool World.

I don't really remember what he said, but I feel like it was something I feel like the idea is like you could go here, you can go into this world, you can go into that world. Like there's tons of doodle worlds you could go into. With a doodle multiverse? I felt like I felt like Doc Whiskers Doc Whiskers says to Brad Pitt. I was trying to go into your world. You weren't supposed to come into my world. Like Doc Whiskers, when he creates the portal.

you know, between Toon World and um or Cool World rather and reality uh in the forties when Brad Pitt has come home In his joy riding with his mother on the back of a motorcycle, helmetless, uh, and gets into an accident, and he gets sucked straight into Cool World, and Dr. Whiskers Uh uh or Doc Whiskers. I'm not sure if he's a real doctor or if you know, I don't know if he's an MD doodle doctor. A doodle doctor. Yeah, he's a he's a doodle doctor.

So uh so he he but he says I was trying to p I was trying to go to your world. I wasn't trying to pull you into my world and then but what I couldn't figure out then is we make the time jump to the whatever the nineties and Gabriel Byrne is in prison, right? Which is not really touched on. He murdered someone. He is a murderer. He's a murderer. He murdered a man who was sleeping with his wife that is so

gent it's just mentioned. We don't get any sense of that. I mean also, Gabriel Burman, when we meet him in prison, he's released and he goes home to his house, which looks like it's been Kept up fine. Okay, here's my main Well, there's so many issues. How long was he sent away for murdering a person? Great uh annoyed. Two years? One? Yeah. Okay, because here's here's the timing of it. His neighbor's daughter, that girl, whoever she is.

who is obsessed with him has such a like intense connection with him. I couldn't really understand why. But how could she have known him? He must have been put away for like years or decades. I tried to figure that out as well because I was like, why do the neighbors care so much about him. You know, they come over unannounced in the middle of the night. Also, the mother and the daughter appear to be the exact same age.

No, it was you know what, this was the nineties when if you were like thirteen you dressed like you were thirty seven. Maybe, but they just seemed they when she said mom, I was like, oh, I thought these were like roommates. Anyway, regardless, yeah. I couldn't tell like his was he returning to the house he'd always been in, or was he a new neighbor that they got to know and like that we just didn't see off camera?

It looked to me like he pulled his car into the driveway in the same clothes that he left prison in and got right back to work drawing Cool World, the cartoon or the comic book, because by the way, also in this world, Cool World. The comic book is enormously popular. He goes to a comic book shop to buy his own work. The comic book shop only seems to sell cool world comics. And the whole wall And are we to believe?

That because of the setup in prison, because he has a full draftsman's table and lamp and utens Everything he would need, has he been just continuing to draw the cool world comic from prison? Clearly is a good idea. Is he allowed to profit off of his own creation while in prison for having killed someone?

He's buying the backlog. I mean, maybe it's like an OJ situation where everything he makes goes back to you you think the family of the management. You think there's a Ron Goldman type family scenario? Well, I don't know, because he is living in a shack. W he's living in no he's living in like a he's living in like a nice house, June? A shack. That's a sh wow that that is if you think that is a shack

That is th that that's crazy.'Cause he's living in a perfectly lovely ranch house in the valley. No, not the valley. He's living on the outskirts of Vegas. The outskirts of Vegas. Oh yeah, the outskirts of Vegas, yeah.

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And by the way, that's nineteen ninety-two, but the movie starts in nineteen forty-five. So then the movie really does take a big jump from nineteen forty-five to nineteen ninety-two after the first five minutes because Frank Harris, that's Brad Pitt's character, is escorted in there um after a very upsetting opening. And I know this is not a kid's film, but it's a PG-13 movie.

A motorcycle getting into a head on collision with a a pair of aggressively drunk Uh drivers also, I guess, in the first Vegas casino. Um, the mom and him go flying off in different directions. Although the mom is not that battered for flying off a motorcycle. Um and he goes through a a a terribly

upsetting bout of PTSD thinking he's back in the war. He's calling for a medic. No medics arrive. Uh and then he's just kind of sucked into the cool world. And then we never know what happens for or we we don't see the fifty years that transpires.

After that. Like No, we just jump straight ahead and when we when and we good we jump straight ahead to Gabriel Byrne in prison, drawing Hollywood in prison, and then we go into Cool World. And Brad Pitt is still there. He's been there for fifty years and now he's Cool World's number one detective. But here's the issue that I had. He He could leave Cool World at any point. So why did he not leave Cool World? Like because at one point when he decided to go kind of understood at the end.

And it was because at the end when he's faced with the reality of having to go back to the real world in order to get Hollywood and Gabriel and l in order to get Hollywood back. Um, he doesn't want to go back to the real world because it means he has to face the and be accountable for the m the killing his mother.

I think her though. He was like it they it would be one thing if he was irresponsible. He was hit at the time. He was irresponsible. You don't put anyone on a motorcycle without a helmet. This is nineteen forty five, June. It's this is a time when they have funny little helmets, but they have helmets. I think in nineteen forty five there were more curious little helmets. No no no I think they're casual reasons.

Anyone who gets on a motorcycle has a death wish. I'm so sorry. June, I'm telling you that this is nineteen forty five. He'd just come home from the war. He loves his mother so much. Regardless of safety protocols. I think perhaps it is just the guilt. of having encouraged his mother to encouraged his mother to come out for this joy ride and that it led to her death. I think And why was he driving that fast?

No, no, he wasn't. That was those other people. The the drunk driver is at phone. He was driving pr he was driving pretty drunk. blame at the feet of Brad Pitt here. The drunk drivers blame. Yes. I mean there's so much. Are you saying the drunk drivers are not to are are Brad Pitt it's not. If if you had told me he was going out for grocery and his mother happened to be in a car, I would say, of course, he should completely let this go. This is a horrible accident that happened.

He got on a motorcycle with his mother. In nineteen sixty seven, I was worried before the accident happened that she was just gonna fall off and die. June, in nineteen sixty seven, that's when the government said that you needed to wear a helmet. Nineteen sixty seven. This is Twenty years before that.

They are commenting. Here's the thing have some comments. I think you are looking at the I agree with you. I agree with you, but I think they are a he and his mother are acting appropri period appropriate. Appropriate yes. Period. And they can only look at it through the lens of what would people be doing in that area. And they are doing that. But the drunk drivers are truly the villains of this mov. I I They're maniac.

the death of his mother at Brad Pitt's feet because of no helmets or not alone. Not alone. No helmets or anything. There weren't that just didn't exist. Like the reality is He's particularly a great option. Don't get on a motorcycle. Did you ever see the great escape? Do you ever see the great escape? The great escape they're riding motorcycles with no helmets. Come on. Coming at it from an emotional point of view, not a culpability or blame point of view.

From from an emotional point of view. I'm not trying to legally uh uh litigate who it was wrong here. From an emotional point of view, I understand why Brad Pitt is afraid to go back to the real world and face the reality of what happened to him. I I understand that, but that's fifty years of dealing with that guilt. Fifty years. There's a weird thing going on here. To me it seems like

I mean why do they even need a police officer there? They're dropping anvils on things, people are milking their own breasts, like like cars are hitting people. Like what is a police officer doing there? Also, his badge says Zero zero one I or zero one. So he's the first uh cool world police officer. Which is a thing. That's what I kept on wondering, like what is the letter of the law in Cool World. Like what is he upholding? It's only

Is he only pr making sure that noides don't have sex with doodles? Because he's the only human there. He's the only noid. So what is he protecting anyone from? Tell himself yeah, that's all he has to do. And is that he's adhering to that because correct me if I'm wrong, but He's while interac while Hollywood, the Kim Basinger character, is you know, um, represented as like the Jess is it j what's is it Jessica Rabbit? Like the What's the catch?

She's a femphetologist. She's like the bombshell of Cool World. What's the is it Jessica Rabbit and Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Is that her name? Yes. It's just Jessica Rabbit. But also in Cool World, there's no agreed upon animation. Like her animation is wildly different than everybody else's animation. Yeah, the FYI. And I will say there was stuff that I liked about I wish that I wished we'd lived in Cool World. Frankly, I wished we'd under s lived in and understood the rules.

Of cool world better because Once they leave Cool World and go back into Vegas, I'm like Like I I don't care about any of this the See I disagree. My favorite part of the movie was seeing Hollywood and seeing Kim Basinger like be a doodle in the real world. Like to me that's a movie I would watch. You were having so much fun at that point. I wanted to see her going to Starbucks and ordering a coffee. I just wanted to see her

out and about in the real world as you she got very southern in the real world. Like that southern accent was kicking in the real world. Apparently, according to some of the lore around the movie, Um, in the middle of shooting, Kim Basinger decided that she wanted to make this a children's film that she could show kids in hospitals. Uh, and so she made a very uh strong move to start like

sanding off the edges of her character a little bit. And so I do believe that She does feel like she's in a different movie. And I feel like that's an active choice of Kim Basinger just being like, I'm gonna milk the comedy here. She's great in my mom's an alien, my stepmom's an alien. She can play physical comedy really, really well. I mean, can let's be let's not mince words. Kim Basinger's amazing. I mean like there is There is you'll get no arguments from she was great in cellular.

She's been and then she's not to mention like the actual movies that are Hollywood confidential, movies that are truly exceptional movies. Yeah. Uh she's very talented. My The juxtaposition for for me here was I found the storyline when it was inside of Cool World to be easier to follow. Than outside of cool world. You know her. If you found if if you found it easier to follow, I wanna ask you a question. So Not that it made the same source. But that I just understood a little bit more

The the uh the sum of the rules. You know. Right. And I'm not I'm not asking it in a way of like I'm not asking it in a way of like no Jason, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm simply asking like I don't know if I understand it. Can you please help me? Is it the idea that Brad Pitt's number one job is to make sure that Kim Basinger doesn't fuck a noid? And has Kim Basinger been trying to bring other noids in? Because it seems like he says to her, like,

I am checking in on you, I know what you're trying to do, and and and so she has some sort of magical powers, which we're not really sure about, that she's bringing in Gabriel Byrne? You got over here. So why couldn't he make it over there? Or for that matter, why couldn't I? There'll be no crossovers while I'm around. I've got news for you.

I am not your ordinary doodle. I've been checking up on what these noid dames have got going in the real world, and I want it! It seems like the Gabriel Byrne scenario. has been going on and off. You know, like he And where were those guys coming from? And why were they why Gabriel Byrne seems to be able to but uh ga it's okay, now again, these are rules I decided for myself because I just needed them My book

Uh just a book of rules for every movie you watch? Yeah, yeah. I write a rule book and uh someday I'll publish them all. Yep. Uh Just so you can get through the enjoyment of the movie. Yeah. But you but this movie this movie does require you to make a couple of decisions for yourself because I wrote down a few times here.

I don't even know what to write. Yeah. I I like I like you're you're in you're in a world where you're like no one's leading me by the hand. I rewound. There was a couple of times where it moved to a different scene and I was like, oh, whoa, wait a minute. What was I supposed to learn from that previous scene? And I would rewind it, rewatch that scene, and be like, oh, I I I I don't know. I don't know why nails getting trapped in the fountain pen is like

Dangerous. I don't know again, the the what is that? Somehow the somehow the existence of free floating ink Is dangerous. Is like a threat. Well, because it like to me I always thought the idea was that they could be erased. Paul, you're holding a pen up right now on Zoom. Okay. But well are you a doodle? If it is, if you're a doodle. Uh I mean but like at one point Brad Pitt like un takes his pen out and goes, This is a weapon here. Then he shoots ink.

into Nails' like liquor cup and he drinks it and nothing seems to happen. Who are you? Who are you? I don't create you. No shit, Sherbach. What'd you do with this, dudes? I'm a cartoonist. I drew all this. I have visions I This place exists with or without you. You believe me, right? I'm not one of your creations. You're not pretty. Right? Yeah. Wrong. Around here. Sit down. Around here this can be a big nuisance. You thirsty nails? Ooh.

Get it? One should be careful how they wave this thing. No, I don't get it. Of course you don't get it, because you're a wack-adoo. And around here everything goes, everything except one thing. Yeah, what? Noids do not have sex with doodles. Right? Noids do not have sex with doodles. Thinks he's got a thing for you. Sweet. But don't flatter yourself. you keep your pencil in your You know what I mean? Okay, so you guys know, right? Okay. We all grew up, I'm sure, watching Looney Tunes cartoon.

Yeah. You know the episodes. Every once in a while there would be an episode where the animator w where bugs would talk to or Daffy Duck would talk to the animator. And and the animator's hand would come in and erase Duh Daffy Duck's beak so he couldn't talk anymore. Or would or would the hand and the pencil would come in and fuck with the the drawing, right? And it would break the fourth wall of animation to presume

Someone else is controlling us. We are d we do not have free will, right? We are not we are not characters that exist. We are the cat we are the mouthpieces. of this godlike other hand, right? It's not a space jam world where these characters are shooting their own TV shows and acting. Yes. What what I what I expected was Gabriel Byrne would be that Character that character And he even says to Hollywood at one point

Can I erase you or I can erase you? Like he's he makes a threat almost like I can erase you. Uh, which confused me because I was like, oh, is that cause that's a story I can get on board for. You know, the creator of a world gets sucked into it and has to r uh you know, through his knowledge of the world he created, figure out either how to get out, how to make the world better, whatever. But Brad Pitt's present.

really fucks that whole thing all up because it appears as though it's Brad Pitt's movie, not Gabriel Burns' movie. And that's when I couldn't figure out who are the gangsters working for, why is it like a Classic nineteen forties noir with Ephem Fatal and the bad guys and the cops chasing after them and the dames and the all the lake.

And I know that this is like a probably a hacky thing to say, but like someone took the beginning part of one script and then another part of a script and just kind of merge them together because the first 15 minutes don't mesh. You you're introduced to something, and then they reset the entire table again. It's you should just start in prison with him drawing her. She reaches out.

And we're in. Like I don't even think we really even need the Brad Pitt character, because even at the end, the Brad Pitt character doesn't serve to save the day or to stop anything. Brad Pitt's character has no art. Period. No R. He is not he is not a hero. He is just along for the ride. He there is nothing that he does. The only

Story point that we get and spoiler alert is that he becomes a cartoon attack. They're both I mean that's it. It's interesting. They're Gabriel Byrne and Brad Pitt are redundant. Yes. They're redundant characters because they are both on some kind of a journey, but not re but but but Gabriel Byrne is the only one who has real power and agency. You know what I mean? He's the only one who can change it because he created it in a weird way? But why doesn't he know Brad Pitt is there?

Is what I couldn't figure out. I mean, here's the thing. I connected more to Brad Pitt's journey because I did feel like, okay, here's this guy who's suffering from PTSD.

and is trying to honestly accept reality as it is, that he um is both not in the war and that a terrible thing has happened. And I don't know if you get like I know what doc I know what Doc What's his face says in the beginning, but it did seem like the fact that he was so disoriented made him more a and so unable to, like, figure out what was real and what wasn't, and still in such trauma over the war and what he had seen made him more susceptible to being like sucked into this doodle world.

Um, like there was something about his brain and the way his ment w was happening with his mental health which made him uh a prime candidate. But do you think his mental health I don't think his mental health was off until he was violently thrust off that motorcycle because he seemed to have come home from the war perfectly happy. He was wearing that brand new suit. He had gotten that new motorcycle. He seemed happy go lucky, unfazed by the war that he just fought. Only in that moment

Did his brain get a little bit jostled? Like I I I see what you're saying and I Well, maybe that's true. That maybe it was just triggered by him being, you know, in this terrible accident. But either way, it did seem like there was this that he was crime to get um sucked into the doodle world. But what I did like about his journey was The f it did seem at the end like I don't know that he didn't have a purpose. Like I kind of thought he went back to the real world to die there.

to become a doodle. Like he knew going in, yes, I'm gonna try to save the universe, but I'm ultimately going to sacrifice my body and die. So that I can become a dude. Why would he want to even save Cool World? Like what is there? Just a hiding spot for him? I mean, what is the threat that what is the threat that Cool World and Real World will just Because you know because what happens is, you know, once Gabriel Byrne fucks

The cartoon like so the one rule of cool world is noids, which is what like humanoid I guess is what it is. Right. Humans Cannot have sex with doodles, period. Like that's the right that is the one enforced rule. But there's only one human in Cool World, and that's Brad Pitt, who is uh abiding by that law to a degree Now, yeah.

Let me say this. Yeah. I mean that is his o that is the one thing he can do in his job description and he's the only one that could possibly break that. Now does the law this so that begs the question? Why does the law exist? Right. Something must have happened. I mean there were doodles before I think they probably got really close to the floor. Were there annoyed sex? Well, let's talk about the spike.

Cause the spike is a children's story that they tell the doodles about a doodle that escaped to the real world and put a spike in the top of a Vegas casino. And if you take out the spike, you're essentially taking the plug out of the inkwell. I mean this is I don't even really venture to go there. Isn't that doctor isn't that Doc Whiskers? Did Doc Whiskers Doc Whiskers Isn't that Doc Whiskers who escaped into Vegas? Oh.

Oh, I thought it was Doc was a comp No, because Doc Whiskers said I tried to touch the spike, but it was too powerful for me. And then she says, Get out of here, dummy, I'll do it. No, at the very beginning, Doc Whiskers has the spike. Right? Oh. And he's using it to open the portal to tune work. Whoa. See Jason, while that was happening, I was just screaming. Yeah. I was just screaming uncontrollably. And I was writing, why does the spike look like sperm?

It does it is an odd looking spike. When I saw those cartoons show up, I just started screaming. I mean So I miss that whole scene. You thought June Lou like what I love about this show is I get to watch many a film with June and She never knows what she's in store for. She doesn't she she is going in completely blind. So when June starts watching this movie, I think you're thinking it's a nineteen forties military man come home movie. And so for you

To have that pure reaction that you didn't even understand that cartoons were in it was one of the most joyous experiences I've ever had in my life. See Doc Whiskers, can you even imagine? Jason, were you aware there were cartoons in this? I did I was. Yeah. I knew this to be no, I hadn't I didn't see any I didn't see any artwork. All of a sudden, No, no. I this must have been very unsettling. It was.

And I and I've never seen this movie before. Uh and frankly, I've never seen Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Oh really? Which is interesting. It's a great movie. I'm annoyed that I've never seen I'm annoyed, first of all. Mm-hmm. I just want to establish I am annoyed.

But uh I'm annoyed because I haven't seen Who Framed Roger Abbott and I feel like a bunch of us conversation wise will be drawing comparisons and I was like fuck I'm gonna be out on that. But I knew this to be a uh a cartoon world, but that it was I m the thing that I r did remember about it was that it was dirty. Like the the story around this when it came out was that it was dirt.

This came out prime blockbuster time for me when I was working at Blockbuster. And I never rented it, but it seemed like, ooh, this is yeah, like this is gonna be like a like the dirty who frame Roger Abbott, although I never reached out to to get it. I just think that we're trying to explain so much and the simple version of the film

And I think it's actually a a really great idea. It's like a creator being trapped within his creation. I mean, there was a John Candy movie called Delirious that was like that. Like he was a soap opera writer who gets like sucked into his own soap opera and he's gonna

write his way out of it. Um, you know, I think strange rhythm fiction has an element of that. Like but like that's the simple way in. It's comical. The idea that the not only that, but what's even so much more compelling about it, which I think is such a great starting point. Is a man like let's maybe t and and I don't again because we don't get into the murder and all the rest of it, but like a a man, an imprisoned man

who falls in love with the woman he's drawing. Amazing. That is that is the the only way he can escape is into this fantasy world. That There's something quite compelling about that. Like, as we and I will say, as we sit right now, many people Stuck in small places, stuck in quarantining, prison like c conditions, it is I can imagine a world of of wish fulfillment, of wishing to be elsewhere, a world in which there are no rules, a world in which

There is chaos. A world any of that. Like that's I understand that. But yet when he gets there, he seemingly is like In awe of it, not like, oh, I know that this door opens up into this thing. I like it seems like he's a visitor in this world. He doesn't seem like he has any-feels like the first time he gets sucked in is the first time he gets sucked in.

Right. You lose even the fun of the master is now in the world. That's what I don't get. You know, like like that's why I feel like if the movie had been about Gabriel Burns' character and his um his like discomfort with w wanting to have this uh love with Hollywood, but the knowledge that to do so would potentially collapse both of their worlds, that's a movie. Like unrequited love I don't understand. Why am pri why Make him a murderer.

It doesn't it why? Why why not make his wife dead? His wife dead and then and and they're both dealing with grief. These two men did the one with his wi one with his wife, one with his mother. And they both are looking for escape and they and they switch spots or there's so many parallels. They're both murderers, but they we're we're coded we're coded to tell us Brad Pitt wearing gray, which is like the hero's color scheme scheme, and Gabriel Byrne only wearing black suits.

B a black jumpsuit in prison and black suits on the outside. Like he is meant to be the bad guy. And what I don't understand is why. They don't seem opposed. They don't they're not at odds. They are not like they it it doesn't make sense to me.

The only thing that they're against is Brad Pitt's like, don't fuck the person that you want to have sex with. Um but he doesn't abide by that rule. The doodle. Yeah, sorry, you're right. Sorry, I didn't mean to say that and I apologize to anyone else. Yes. Uh the doodle. Any doodles out there. Sorry to doodles. But I also feel like Kim Basinger is character Hollywood and Hollywood if she could and she did, um, which I think was the ti the tagline of the movie. Um, is the um

Is that when she gets into the real world, she starts acting like a child, but she's very manipulative and she's living a it's seemingly a very rich life in cool world. Like it's not like oh I've never touched anything before. It's like you're in that world. She's acting as if everything is brand new to her. Where and I understand that everything is taxi. I mean, there's a lot that's new. She was two dimensional before. Well, yes, she was, but here's what I don't understand.

She was. She was a drawing. Of course. Yeah, but she's in a world of drawing. Why was she able to, for example This is where it broke down for me where I was really like, I don't get the rule. I understand. Did you throw your book out the wind uh book went out the window? Book went out the window. I'm you know, guess what? I'm rewriting the rules. I if it's like two dimensional world, fine. And it is characters who yearn to be real.

Right. Okay. But so when Gabriel Byrne falls in or Brad Pitt, I can't remember what it is, someone burns him with a cigarette. There is the ability for them to have Cause ca there's causality in their actions and reactions. Like they are not when he goes to touch her, he is able to physically touch her. He is able to be burned by her cigarette. Right. They it's not like they exist. It's not like he is three dimensional and they are two dimensional. They it is

Brad Pitt cups his girlfriend's face. Like he puts his arm around his girlfriend. He's in a car that's three dimensional and then sometimes two dimensional. Like it seems like everything is working. Why in Cool World are some settings and cars Practical real life cars, not drawings of cars. That's again. And this is like this is where I think the Roger Rabbit comparison

is really the only one to talk about where you can say the rules were very clean and clear. This is what happens, this is the world. Like here, it's a junk drawer of animation. everything is happening to the point that it just feels like there's just like more dump more shit into every frame. It's it's a it's just a met it's a mess of Of things, styles you can't fuck attune.

A doodle. Why is he there? Like why is yeah. How does he know that? Did his boss tell him? Has there been evidence of it before? Like what's he did he do it once and it went poorly? Cause here's the reality. Brad Pitt's character has a girlfriend who wants to fuck. And they can kiss and And they can do other stuff I guess. But they They can't kiss. They do kiss. They said they can get they can they they say they can get close to it. Yeah. They do, they kiss on the mouth. Yeah.

I thought that they like watch each other and masturbate or something because like she's like we can do something. They are for sure mutual masturbating. They are for sure doing hand and mouth stuff. But like and probably finger stuff, you know, is i which I don't think they're doing that. But like sex sex makes it like a magic trick that you can then go to the real world, I guess.

But I don't know. Well no, then you become real, but like but but if but if she becomes real, like is she manipulating Gabriel Byrne this entire time? Does she just want to become real or does she love Gabriel Byrne? But why? To become a real girl. I think she wants to become a real girl. But she doesn't like have any feelings for this person who created her? Like No, she's like get me Yeah, no, she just wants to be a little bit more.

She just knows that he's a sucker that will affect the biggest thing. Look at all these men and she wants to smell the men. She wants she and is that Frank Dinatra Jr. She's like, let's make love. She is. Yes, it is. Yeah, she said like she said, like I can have I can have sex with any man in this room or something. But then also in that scene

She starts reverting back to her cartoon shape, but it's a different cartoon shape. Well, they both start having like like sp fits or spasms of cartoon um uh of tune Tune stuff. Like they both like suddenly suddenly Gabriel Burns hands are big giant like tune hands or whatever. Like they're having like um like tune episodes. Yeah, like they're having like si tune seizures.

But I get that. But why is she turning into a different tune? Wouldn't she just turn into her own tune again? I that's she's in a different body. I thought I actually liked that cartoon, that doodle that she was turning into. I thought it was really funny. I just think she it almost felt to me like whatever that doodle was was an earlier version of Hollywood. Okay. Oh, interesting. I thought it was just um I thought it was because they had broken this the barrier.

Like tune shit was just like happening to them. Like like free form tune stuff. Like it was n out of control basically. And that's why when when more tune stuff starts happening, Las Vegas starts to become people at slot machines start turning into wolf tune characters. And like and what I did like uh I like and I and I know like This movie, I want to be very clear, is not good. And is it incredibly difficult to make sense out of.

Yes. But I found a lot of the animation stuff, a lot of the animated chaos. Like when Las Vegas is overrun by chaotic tune characters. Like that stuff was I enjoyed that. Like it they did it was Like I enjoyed the kind of button world invading Vegas. Got it. Okay. But but my whole thought my thought about that is if Toon World invades Vegas, then it just becomes Cool World. Right. So Why would you want to create

Another cool world. Oh, I don't think I think it's like I think it's like um I think this is akin to a um multiverse story. And that there are you know, and that if you Uh open a d if once you start uh if you travel between multiverses and try if you go in it's it's like you know, Rick Remender's Black Science or uh any number of uh of of of you know um uh multiverse specific comics or anything like this.

When you are when you're talking about t going between things, the effects are catastrophic on both ends. Right? Like right. So right. So she doesn't she doesn't intend to create another tune world, but she does want to get the spike for what reason? Maybe just to become permanently real? That's Uh may i maybe to destroy it so that like i is she trying to destroy the spike so that she can just be now so that nobody can come get her?

Mm. And then I th I think part of it is I wanna become real real, but she is real real.

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But here's the thing about Cool World that is very true. And it's also true for alternative comics at the time. Cool World is like Sexual depravity. Like it is a world of lasciviousness. Like like it is like the the world that existed in like in the kind of um uh in the alt comic worlds of like the seventies and eighties.

Like you like the like I'm talking like you know, crumb and all this stuff that was beyond was it was a lot of like sexual lasciviousness creating creating animated and cool uh not cool but animated the animated cool world aesthetic felt to me like those 70s, 80s, erotically charged, lascivious like uh cartoon, like uh um I'm trying to think of a couple of other uh Fritz the Cat, heavy metal, all have this kind of stuff as a part of it.

And I do like that. I like I like that idea like that is a merging of so many styles. Like there's like Frank Fazetta kind of images in the background, then there are like simple Looney Tune images.

She's a little bit more of like a modern day co like cartoon character. Like there's so many different things. And then when when Gabriel Byrne, and we haven't even talked about this, and this will be you know, we're getting towards the end here, when Gabriel Byrne turns into a superhero, that kind of looks like Uh like uh a traditional like.

He looks like he's he's he looks like he's basically got Shazam's color scheme. And he looked like Gaston from The Beauty and the Beast. And but why would he transform so crazily into that character that has nothing that looks like? Him and I mean, like is that what he's always wanted to be? Cool World doesn't seem to have um Superhero archetype You know what I mean?

Cool. It it is like a CD underworld. Like it's gangsters and and she's a she you know, like Hollywood seems to be like a gangster's mall and like everything the archetypes are thirties and forties gangster movies, they're not like superhero stories. They're not silver age. DC superhero world they follow them find themselves in. They find themselves in what looks like like a a noir. It looks like a femme fatel setting up a dupe to kind of get one over on him.

It's more like a it's more like a a a a film noir in its kind of uh Set up She's just using Gabriel Byrne as leverage to get into the real world like that. you know, blah blah blah. All the kind of and the cops are are corrupt and everything nobody seem every and uh none of it seems though I'm grasping at all of the kind of little things. to try and make order out of it. But there really there really is no

Goal, there's no stakes, there's no protagonist, there's no antagonist, and there are no set rules. So it's just a visual stuff.

And hunky Brad Pitt, I think. I think that they thought they could get away with what if we just made a movie where Jessica Rabbit was more sexual? And and and at the end of the day that's what they decided that they would commit to because this is a movie that like I said it was pitches this very simple idea about uh

basically uh an estranged daughter trying to kill her father that then the script is given to somebody else and they rewrite it, then it's given to somebody else. It was supposed to be a horror film, then it became a comedy film, and then it went from R at a PG-13. Brad Pitt switched roles. Brad Pitt was supposed to be the creator of Cool World, the comic book artist, and Gabriel Byrne was supposed to be the detective, and they switched. Then Drew Barrymore dropped out.

And then Kim Basinger came in, then Kim Basinger decided to switch, and then Frank Bashke came to set and punched the producer in the mouth. Like this movie was plagued from start to finish. Like the backstory of this movie is insane.

Um and it's it's a mess. It's a and I think that that what we're reacting to is Some editor was in a room going like I think this kind of can make sense a little bit because also it feels like the animation is done in a vacuum where it's like I don't even think Kim Basinger is basing her performance on the uh what she does in animation in a real world. Like I feel like that's two separate performances. Well that's the thing is in in um Cool world, she is clearly in command and in control.

She is she's playing everybody. She's the smartest person in any room. She is without a shadow of a doubt. She is also like the f the one of the most um Famous people. She's this, she's this icon in she is the iconography, she is the iconography of cool world, really. Yeah. She is it, right?

So so it's such a powerful character that when she gets to the real world and instead it becomes more like my stepmother is an alien as if everything is like um uh like discovery brand new, it takes away some of what I w it takes away some of her the She is so often the driving engine in Cool World because it's what she wants.

That we're seeking And that when we come into the real world, all that slows down and it becomes really just like I'm not sure what's going on, you know, like I'm not sure what the goal is.

I mean I imagine if we had given her another week or two to just just like sit in her body and just experience like the fun the basic functions of a body, you know, she might gain some of her confidence and power back. But June, what do you think but d do you think that she's is that different from being two dimensional to three dimensional?'Cause she's seducing him like she would sedu like as a three dimensional character, she

She just seems so a like she seems like that that scene with the neighbors come over. I think she's having a hell of a time being a real person and is just enjoying it. Um, and I think we're seeing her kind of on vacation where she's like got the things she's always wanted. So yes, she is a bit different and she's not as But I I genuinely enjoyed that part of the movie because I thought it was just fun, at least. And the the rest of the movie was so grim to me and so With all these doodles like

It was not I did not want to be in that doodle world. I did not like it. I didn't like seeing those things flying by. Like it was all so unsettling to me. By the way, when they go to Vegas, also display. disgusting. Like it's the only time I've ever seen Vegas in a movie that looks like Vegas in real life. It's just like Yeah. It's dark. It's dim. It was not aspirational. It was not like Wow, it was a real gross point of view of Vegas. It l not good. The movie itself.

it it has like darkness with uh in within it. You know what I mean? Like the movie itself is not pleasant. You know, like there's not there are no heroes to root for. There it like everybody is everybody has done and behaved reprehensibly. You know, uh in some way, shape, or form. Uh or feels they have, you know? Uh no and and and maybe that's part of it. But it was really it was a v it was I don't know, man. It was a Ha ha. It was...

It was tough to watch, but I will say, and again, I am Just catastrophically lonely. I really was like, I would like to hang out with that animated Hollywood. Like She's looking great. This is But she's the villain, Jason. She's the villain. She wouldn't want you. She'd use you. She is the negative. That's why the fem fatal is successful in leading the the the leading man down the road to disaster and ruin. That's the that's what's great about an oir, you know, is

Oh believe me, I know as we talk about that on Unspooled all the time. What's that? So we talk about that on Unspooled all the time, yeah. You guys have you guys wrapped that up now that the COVID has hit? No, it's actually going real strong. We're doing live shows. We're we're really getting it out there. We're really uh having so much fun. Just kind of breaking down these archetypes. Yeah. Pouring a lot of energy and effort into into doing Unspool. That's cool.

Yeah, we well, you know, we gotta get a lot of guests. It's hard to get guests for, you know, in the quarantine but we're just really trying to get the mo we're trying to get Cool guests in the show. And that's really what the It's hard to get gu well, I mean June and I are right here. Sure. All right. Let's move on. Let's move on right now and continue here. So obviously we had opinions about this movie.

But there are people out there with uh a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions. All right, so guys, these are five-star reviews called from Amazon.com. The average rating of this movie is 4.3 out of five stars. There are 412 total reviews. 67% are five-star reviews. Only 9% are one-star reviews. Um Andrew Cisnell in 2019 writes. Ahead of its time. I have never seen anything like it. This is why life is worth living, all men. Five stars.

Don't know what that means. Oh man. That that all men, I guess maybe like like this is why we'd all love to have someone like Kim Basinger. I guess that's the point, I think. All right. Um this one uh from Destoy777 uh from 2015 writes this Brad Pitt is hilariously young. Five stars. A very low bar for the five stars. Um, and there are some really interesting ones in here. Um This one is uh a lot of these.

Douglas Helvie, my daughter loves cool world. Jeannie M. Rasmus, my daughter was looking for Cool World. I forgot it existed. I bought it. It's perfect. Um, and then I wanted to read this final one for you here. This is a a little bit longer, but it's kind of great. It's from JC. It was written in 2003. And it goes like this. The title Cool World is meant to be a sarcastic quotation.

Holly seems to portray evil in the most appealing way. There's a lot of evil going on in the background and foreground of this film throughout Temptation, I believe. Is the main subject, but there are other subjects tackled in the movie as well. If you have only seen this movie once, it deserves a second look. And if you still don't get the message, then I can only say that Cool World is a reflection of the people who really are.

And it's ironic that so many people seem to hate this film. You simply can't compare this to Who Framed. That movie was a typical Disney flick. Cool World is a satire of our society. Five stars. There's one line I didn't put in because I couldn't know how to get it in here, but this great world, it goes this great line. Cool world is a complex film, and it was written as a puzzle for people to figure out later on.

Wow. I think that I do think you can look at Cool World, and I'm sure the writer somehow this was the writer's like ha ha ha. I do think cool world slash You know, i i it's not for nothing. Her name is Holly Wood. I think Cool World and you know, Hollywood are supposed to be like um you know, i Hollywood, Los Angeles. Like I think it's supposed to be It should have been Los Angeles instead of Vegas, though. It sh exactly. It's I think it's meant to be

a a place of avarice and vice. Like a it is where you push down all of your grossest urges and desires. Because that seems to be what the people of Cool World concern them. Everybody in Cool World is a bad guy. Everybody is a villain. Everybody is a crime boss. Ever there are no in Cool World you never go to like a light Venue. You never go to like a pleasant place. The all of Cool World is seedy and gross and dangerous and people are duplicitous.

and liars and nobody can be trusted. I I I don't get it. Like I don't understand. What the movie is trying to show me about humanity or about ourselves. I don't know what it's meant to show me about relationships. I don't know what its message or theme. I don't know what the theme of this movie. Well, I mean, do you think that we should listen to JC and like watch it a couple more times and see if we can unpack it? And I'm very, very reluctant to say.

I don't want to say that But this movie is as close to a Jacobs Ladder scenario as I've seen in a very long time. You know, guy gets hit in the first scene b on a motorcycle. He first goes into f wartime flashbacks and then as he's dying, he this cartoon thing that he's aware of, this comic book or whatever, he just imagined I'm so sorry. Is he dying though?

Is he dying? Could have been. I mean he was hit he mean he was hit head on with a baker. His mom's mom dies, but he doesn't look like he is sustained. He's talking, he's conscious, he like gets over to her, he doesn't look like he is sustained like Devastating. I ag I agree. But we might of blood coming out. The mom only has a little bit of blood coming out. He's mentally fractured. You know, like maybe this that maybe it's not a Jacobs Ladder scenario. Maybe if they oh how about this?

If they pulled back at the end and he was like in a mental institution just drooling on himself. Would and the co and the cool world comic book was in his lap, would you be like Oh, that's what this all was. Yes. But by the way, here here's a better version of this story. I don't know if either of you remember there there's a T V show back when I was a kid called Amazing Stories. It just kinda came out with it again on Apple TV. But there's a great episode, um

about like a a World War One or World War Two pilot. They're in a bomber. And he's an animator or an illustrator. And they're being under they're under attack and he starts drawing like a wheel for the plane, a cartoon wheel, and it becomes real and he actually saves the day that the plane lands.

like on this cartoon wheel, like he's able to like take his drawing into the real world. And I think the problem with this movie is we are introduced to a lead character. Like that opening scene. Like if he's been getting through the war by making these comics, Great. Like if he's the original artist, if he's the Stan Lean, then Gabriel Byrne took over after he died. He read comics. Sure. Yes. Like listen.

Let's see him first in a foxhole. Everything's going crazy around him, and the only thing he's clutching is that comic. And then Gabe Listen, if we knew his mom read comics waiting for him to come home.

So many ways to go, but I guess the question that only matters is would you recommend it? Jason, I'll let you go first. Would you recommend this film? You know, yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna say yes. I mean, it's a fucking weird movie. It's a You did a one eighty there. Early on you said you would it and now you've come back. I I think that this m this conversation, maybe it is a puzzle that we're unlocking. I would I mean like uh th this is I think it's it is

Listen, if you've listened to the podcast and you've gotten to this point and are waiting to decide whether to watch it, I think you'll know what you're in for. So I say yes, watch. 'Cause I think there's a ton of And then that's on you. Yes. That's on you. I I I think because because there are huge problems with it structurally. Huge. It really is A confounding jumble of nonsense. But Within that

I think there is some incredible Ralph Bakshee art. I think there is some incredible animation. I think there is really fun, weird side characters, side bits of physical comedy in the cartoon world that are fun and interesting to watch. Like I was still drawn to watch it. It wasn't um it was annoying me'cause it was confusing and needlessly so. But I would I would recommend watching it for its look look, there are not many movies that do this.

You know, there are not many movies that attempt this is without question a failure. In no way is this a success, but there's something about it that if your expectations are this is gonna be a mess. But there's interesting stuff in it, then I I'm I'm always I always think Listen, uh uh I'll also I will say Wolf watch Ralph back, she's the Lord of the Ring.

It like it's unbelievable. So interesting. You know what I mean? It's like like this is a master at work. So it's it might not be a good movie, but there is there is somebody incredible doing s doing stuff in it. That being said, it's bad. It's a bad movie. It's not worth it. And if you are watching it and are like, I don't understand what Jason's talking about. I hate this. Please feel free to turn it off. Uh, June. Yeah, I agree. I mean it's something to see.

It's something to rest your eyeballs on. And and that's kind of it. So for me, I don't care for animation. I don't it doesn't yeah, I've never connected to it. I just don't Um again I love two framed Roger Rabbit, but I don't I'm not gonna watch something for the animation. And so I just didn't really nothing dazzled me in that world. I loved the transformation of of Hollywood into a real person.

Um, and I liked her in that in I liked her performance and I thought there were some really fun moments when she became a human, but that's kind of it. Um, it's a bunch of gobbledygook and doesn't add up to anything. Um again, I I just I really I can't I can't impress upon the audience enough. Just imagine, just watch watch the first I would say watch the first 20 minutes. Um, after listening to this podcast and just think about what I went through having no context for what was about to happen.

And also watch the first twenty minutes and realize how little you understand what's going on. Yes. You know, like uh there I was a full forty I looked forty minutes in and I was still like What's going on? What's this what story are they trying to tell? Yeah. Maybe we're telling you if you watch this movie, know that it's

kind of hard to wrap your head around so you can enjoy it and you can really kind of parse it out. Like you're not dumb for not getting it. We no we've just let it wash over you. You know, it's one of those movies that's a good like stoned watch. Uh yeah where just the visuals are delightful and funny and weird and crazy and you don't need to worry about the story because that's I think Yeah, I don't know. That's kind of what I feel like would be the satisfying part is the

Is the tune is the cool world all the nonsense of the cool world like that? Like I love. You know, like it scratched a lot of my animation, itches like, I don't know, that seems like a bad building, and they pan up in the building is like this huge circular tower. And I was like, Yeah, I like that. I like I like dumb jokes like that. You know like that our

That are fun, you know? Um You know what I wish they had done? Yeah, but the movie is just like brrrrr Tough stuff around you. You know what I wish they had done? I wish they had more fun with like the dimensions of people. Like I wish Hollywood was either a lot taller than the humans or like kind of little. You know, I feel like there were opportunities to just

have more fun with humans being in that world and then conversely doodles being in the real world that w those those opportunities were missed. I'm gonna put it down on my list of definitely watch it because Very rarely on this show am I this confounded or this kind of like, wait, what? And there is a joy in the the amount that we have done this show um to feel that, like to feel it. Non stop for the hour and 45 minutes. It it really continues to turn a screw of uh

I found it to be a unique film that I think is above the fray in how crazy it is. You know what I mean? So I that's three across the board. The movies that I feel like I find that I s would r not recommend Are movies that just do the thing and then it's all lateral moves from there. It's all just more of the same and it's like, who cares? Boring, right? This movie does not do that. It changes the game and the rules every couple of minutes.

So that it really keeps you engaged but infuriatingly confused. Uh I talked about how this movie had like very difficult like production issues, but the final straw was the promotion of this movie. Um the studio literally placed Hollywood the character on the Hollywood sign. Like they built an extension on the Hollywood sign with her, and she's giant. She is as big as the D in Hollywood, and she is sitting on the D, and people Freak.

the fuck out. Like that has never been done before. Like and I've seen some pictures of it. You can Google a picture of Hollywood on the Hollywood sign. People were angry. This movie angered people on every single level. Uh I joked before about the tagline, which I did know, um, but I will read it to you. The the tagline of the movie is Hollywood if she could and she will.

Hmm. That's the tagline. And the movie, uh the budget was thirty million dollars and it grossed fourteen million. And I think with that, it's a perfect way to end and say, uh Jason June, anything you guys want to plug?

Um, June, anything? No. I just um I just wanna say again a thank you to all of all of the nurses and doctors and everyone who's out there um working hard. taking care of of people right now, especially in the healthcare industry. I'm just so appreciative. That's all. I think there's a lot of great there's a lot of great um I will echo June sentiment, especially to the medical professionals, the first responders, people who are out there on the front lines of this.

you know, um, absolute catastrophic nightmare that we find ourselves in. Um, thank you. You're doing absolutely, you know, incredible work uh under under uh unbelievable duress uh and i in a scenario in which we find ourselves uh uh on a ship that appears to be leaderless and without any w without any rules.

Thank you to people who are trying to make sense of what is going on. Um, and you know, uh the more that we can provide any solace, distraction, the more that we can through putting out podcasts or consuming things or whatever, pointing you towards things that can provide some sense of relief. You know, like I know we've been hearing from people who are like grateful for the ability to kind of tune out.

the nightmare and the world and the news and just have a bit of fun and a bit of levity with the the I know I feel it when I see new episodes of my favorite podcasts pop up. So hopefully we are that for you guys. We're happy to be here and I'm glad that we are still doing it makes me happy to see you guys on Zoom and talk to you guys about dumb movies.

that uh it might seem trivial or silly in this time, but I know there's thousands and thousands of people out there who when they see our podcast pop up in their podcast app know that they are excited. to have this time with us. And I am grateful for you guys and I hope that, you know, especially those of you out there who are working in those dangerous fields and are on the front lines of this, I hope that you guys are Enjoying these episodes and know that we appreciate you. Well put, Jason.

And I will and I'll just kind of continue this uh pass along of supporting all these amazing people. I also just want to give a shout out to all the delivery drivers, the people that are waiting in lines in supermarkets to do your supermarket shopping for you or to go to your target or working in your favorite restaurant so it doesn't close. And, you know, the people that are working on the front lines of of for lack of a better term,

Comfort. Like there are so many people that are out there that are are doing so much. Uh and it and you know, from FedEx drivers to uh to delivery people and and mail workers and everything like that. I just I uh want to give a huge shout out to them. And they are spending a lot of time in their cars and I've talked to so many of them about having this on with them. And so I I really appreciate that. And I know for me Uh

Small businesses are really important. I really want to make sure that if you're in your community, we're trying to help, whether that's ordering in a meal once a week or if that's supporting your local comic book shop, which is actually something that I've been doing with uh my new Marvel series that Jason's gonna be on.

Uh, we're just talking about local comic book shops and how you can get out there and support them. These small businesses that surround us that we maybe sometimes take for granted need our help right now. So You know, I think there's a lot of ways to get in and support our community and uh a lot of these small businesses are really operating in a very dangerous

small margin. So they are really under threat. Um and I think there's also to, you know, um a lot of A lot if you are in a position where you are able to give money to places There are places that need it. You know, like we did a big mouth table read that benefited feeding America uh dot org, the uh parks and rec episode that aired last week, uh raised millions of dollars uh for a couple of different organizations.

So like there are and those those things remain uh up on YouTube. They are they are things you can watch, an episode of Parks and Rec, a new episode, you know, there are things that you can watch for entertainment's sake, but that are also Giving you an opportunity to donate directly to well-vetted, well-sourced.

charities that need your money. And by the way, we are also doing that here at How Did This Get Made. We have two shirts that are all the proceeds go to Feeding America. That's our quarantine buddy's shirt. Uh and our Gish and Gertz shirt. That's uh, you know, Annabelle Gish and Jamie Gertz on a shirt designed by Pete the S Man Skadace.

Uh and we actually saw Annabelle uh Gish wear a Gish and Gertz shirt. So all that money goes uh right to feeding America. But uh thank you all for oh, Jason's pulling it out right there. I've got my Gish and Gertz shirt right here. I'm wearing I love my Gish and Gertz. I plan on wearing it when we inevitably meet uh Annabh Gish and Jamie Gertz. They uh they they uh it's gonna be great. It's gonna be a great episode and also

I want to thank everybody here at Earwolf for all their tireless work of putting this show together. Not only uh the people that work on the show like Averill and Nate and Molly every week, but the people that are literally keeping Earwolf afloat. And that is our producer Cody and our engineer Devin. Uh our team is absolutely amazing. July, uh I'm I'm sure everyone is going through a lot of stress and uh the way that Earwolf has kind of

jumped in and like what Jason was saying, like continued to produce these podcasts and made it easy for people to produce these podcasts has just been absolutely mind blowing. So I just want to say a thank you to all of them, essential workers indeed.

And uh we will see you next week on the mini episode. Make sure that you give me a call at six one nine P A U L Ask. Six one nine P A U L Ask. You could talk about cool worlds, you can explain what I got wrong, or you could just talk about your personal life. I solve problems on that thing. So uh give us a call, six one nine-P-A-U-L-ASK, and that will be next week for the mini episode about Cool World. We will see you next episode. Bye for now.

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