I got to pee. The sounds you make when you got to pee. Oh, my God. How's a nanny? Fantastic. It's actually a team. We have a small team of nannies. We have two. Okay, so one of them can't do enough of the hours. So we found somebody who does want more hours, so we're kind of shifting. The one into more of a babysitter ad hoc role and the other into the full-time nanny. Anyway, it's a group effort. We have special needs children. Literally.
in the other way i could mean that i guess i don't know yeah you're also special you're also special needs i'm also special needs okay yeah let's talk about that uh i'm bipolar which i think i knew i i even found a tweet where i like tweeted something about hypomania. I've probably talked about on this podcast. My memory is very obvious. It's very obvious. Yeah. In retrospect, I should have always known. But the thing that's not obvious.
Or the thing that I'm now that I actually have the official you are bipolar diagnosis, it's not obvious how life should work or how I should be like. I enjoy being manic or hypomanic. I'm not sure that I'm actually manic. I'm just new to the bipolar Reddit. I'm catching up to speed. It turns out lots of people that have lots of similar life experiences. That's the great part about diagnosis is I never would have thought to look up like.
a community of people with bipolar and like, what do they have to say about things? And it's amazing just immediately how many threads on Reddit I've read that I'm like, wow, that is so nice to see. I am not just weird or whatever. Like there are people who have navigated this and found good solutions. So the main, the crux of the problem is if I were a single man and I didn't have a family and I just was a lone wolf.
like I seem to want to be at times, like I tend toward lone wolfness, just very isolated. I enjoy autonomy. I don't seem to need people. If I were that person, I would just be manic all the time. And that because it feels amazing. I mean, it is a high and. There's a lot of like societal acceptance of people who get a lot done and I get a lot done when I wake up at three in the morning and when I don't want to do anything but sit at my desk and produce things like it is.
rewarding in so many ways, mostly career and just feeling really good, like I'm on crack all the time. But it's also terrible for my health. So I would probably live a very short, intense life. If left to my own devices. Cause like sleeping. Cause like you don't sleep. Yeah. You don't sleep enough. Like I sleep four or five hours a night. That's not enough hours. Yeah.
But it feels like it's enough. That's what's always been weird to me. I've always said, like, I just don't need that much sleep. Like Casey sleeps like almost twice as much as me. And I'm like, it's whatever. I just don't need much sleep. I'm an abnormal adult. But that's just the mania talking. And I did know that I have these. like periods where I'll go two, three months where I'm really not sleeping enough and I'm up and very excited. It's like Christmas morning every day.
And then I crash for like two weeks where I just don't want to get out of bed. And I sleep like 10 hours a night. And it's like, this is weird. What's this about? Is this depression? Like I've always been like this back and forth and never thought about like. Maybe there's a happy middle. I just don't know how much of my life I've lived not in one of those two states. It feels like most of my adult life, I've been one of those two things.
And so now as a married man with children, I have to figure out I am my best self, my best father and husband self, maybe not my best coworker slash. cog in society, but I am my best human being to be around when I'm not in those extremes, when I sleep enough and I'm healthy and I'm not just jittering all over the house. I actually think about other things when things slow down, like I don't just think about my work. So, yeah.
Trying to figure all that out. I think I'm in a normal state right now. I don't know if the podcast listeners can tell or if they've seen my bipolar over the years. It's easily tracked with your commit history. If we just chart that, it's probably...
Very. You can probably perfectly correlate it. That's funny. Did you get that data? I mean, it feels like, anecdotally, it feels like I spend a lot of time in the upper state. And then... crash into the lower state for shorter amounts of time but that's i mean my memory is not very good i think that's probably another like when you spend a lot of your time not sleeping enough yeah it's really hard to to tell what actually i mean that's with everything it's like
Unless you're literally writing it down every single day, it's really hard to self-assess anything. Even from just like, what did I eat yesterday? Am I eating enough protein? It's just impossible in this year. Anything like that, it's just hard to get a sense of. So are you doing something different or are you just like naturally? And yeah, so the the number one thing I can do to keep from going manic. Well, one, I can't consume caffeine. Sorry, terminal. I really can't like.
it 100% of the time shoves me into mania. I'm pretty sure. So I have to avoid caffeine, which is fine. I've been drinking decaf and enjoying it. But the number one thing I can do is just sleep enough. If I just don't let myself get out of bed before five and I go to bed knowing.
I'm not allowed to get out of bed before five, like put me in a straight jacket, tie me to the bed. Like I cannot get out of bed. It's really hard to go into that hypomanic state when I'm sleeping enough. That's, that's the best thing I think I can do to stay.
The hard thing is to not slip into depression, which is where I just sleep a lot and I don't feel like doing anything. Yeah. How did you figure both of those out? Was that something that you just self-assessed or did someone help you figure that out? I think my therapist said something about like I need to like sleep is the biggest tell or my psychologist or whatever she is. But I think I just kind of put together like I know.
I know that it's not good to be getting up at three in the morning or two 30 even I got, it just makes sense that that's not like some weird, unique superpower I have. It's like, no, it's just not good for me. And. I, it's just hard to imagine if I'm getting eight, nine hours of sleep at night, having that brain state, I don't know, outside of like drinking caffeine, I guess. Yeah. Interesting. I mean, I don't know that it works. You say, how did I figure that out? Like, this is like.
I've tried it for a week. So we'll see. We'll see if it actually works. But yeah, I mean, those those two things seem pretty extreme in that, like, I could see how they would explain like a large percentage of. What's going on? Like you're not getting enough sleep and you're drinking caffeine. Like, yeah, that definitely just puts you in like, like a biological, just like a pure biology. That's like, I put you in like a really weird place. Yeah. Yeah. How much do you sleep?
Like, what's your night? Do you have a pretty solid routine? I've been in different phases in my life, like ignoring my younger phase, because that's obviously I think everyone when they're younger is just like crazy about that. But like the past five years, I've probably fluctuated to some degree. It's never like that extreme though. It'll be like, I'll go for a period where I'm getting like one to two hours less than I should. It's never like half. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so i i think uh yeah
One of Liz's observations about me is she's like, you just don't change. I'm just like the same all the time. Yeah. In terms of like my mood or like my energy or like, you know. So, yeah, I guess I have. I don't know if that's because of. That's not really stemming from really consistent routines like I actually. I've gone in different directions in my life where I've had like no routine at all.
Then I like saw the miracle of like what having a really strict routine does like just, uh, just the consistency of every day, like just has just make stuff gel into place more. But then. I also had this other feeling of like, I don't know if that's where creativity really comes from when like every single day is the same and you don't like.
meander and like have things that are unexpected or do things that you wouldn't normally do sure so now i'm kind of in an in-between where i think i'm still a little off balance i think i've gotten like too much in the unstructured direction yeah but yeah i'm just trying to like find this balance of being like decently structured but you know you just think about like great people in the past like it's not like they were just adhering to something rigid structure every day
yeah so i want to like make sure i don't i don't lose that just given i think modern society really pushes idea of like hyper routine i like i know i need to like reject that to some degree even though there is like wisdom there You think about that a lot, don't you? You just run your life based on how did great people live? You want to be a great person, don't you? I'm not faulting you for it. I think we all do.
We just don't all put it in practice probably. Yeah. But I think, I think for me, I have a very, I think for me, it's more that I have a very narrow particular personal opinion of like what I consider. a great person that i would like kind of look up to sure and because it's so narrow in particular i think i'm like i like really admire them i like really really admire them because it's like a intense choice that i've made to
Like them. Yeah. I got to ask more questions now because I just assumed like that made sense to me, but it's not necessarily lined up with what like society views as great people. So it's not like the like. default answers to that question. You have a different set of great people. I think it would be, well, I'm not going to be like, it's Hitler. I love Hitler. That's another topic that's very hot right now. It's not really contrarian. I just think it's a subset. I think everyone that I...
It's funny. I can't even really name people off the top of my head. It's more like a vibe that I think of. But I don't think I'm thinking of anything that's like anyone that's like underappreciated or like, you know, lost. It's more just a subset. All the great people. they don't all check your boxes like there's people who are considered the great people of our time and you don't yeah i got you i tend to like people that seem
like weirdly good in a lot of different domains, including being really enjoyable to be around. I think it's like, it's people like that. Yeah. Yeah. Which isn't like, you know, most. Most great people. Yeah. So it made me think of Einstein. Like Einstein wasn't known for being a good hang, like kind of miserable to be around. Or is that not what you're saying? Maybe that's maybe that's like.
That was too strong of a statement. Like, cause I, cause I, I, I like greatly admire Steve jobs and people think he's a dick, but when I say great to be around, I'm like. I just feel like he had such a interesting way of like phrasing things or like looking at things or really good perspective on stuff. So I'm like, that seems like a pleasant person to be around. He would keep you guessing.
Lots of interesting thoughts. Yeah. I'm not super into like this, like the more like autistic, like you imagine like a great autistic person, like kind of the stereotype we have of that. That's like not what I'm super into. I'm a huge fan of Richard Feynman. I think he's like the best in this category. Yeah. So it's like he just seemed to enjoy every single.
facet of life and try to like pull the most out of all of it whether it was like the intellectual science part or like the emotional part or like the appreciation of arts part it's uh yeah i tend to really really really like people like that yeah And I tend to dislike people that achieve greatness through like overly specializing in some area. Yeah. I could listen to Richard Feynman. Feynman? Feynman? Feynman, yeah. Yeah, I could listen to him talk.
All day long. Sometimes like when I get tired of whatever book I'm listening to, I just pull up a random. YouTube video of his where he's lecturing I don't know he's talking about but I just I love listening to him talk like somebody who really knows what they're talking about and is very passionate even if they don't necessarily communicate in a way that I can understand it's just very fun to listen to yeah exactly
So, yeah, and I think I just think society pushes you to into all these like narrow, overly specialized ways of living. And I like to remember people like that because it serves as a counterbalance. Yeah. Yeah. This is off of what we were talking about. But that just I do have consistent routines. I just try not to go overboard with it. Yeah. So I guess I do want to I want to go back to the bipolar thing briefly. I wonder.
So it's mostly like working adults that have bipolar. It's not like a thing I've had since I was a kid. Or maybe I had the, I don't know, I don't understand it all fully. Maybe I had the... predisposition the genetics somehow i do have someone in my very close family that has had some pretty intense manic episodes that kind of led all this
Brought it all to a head for me and my wife. Like I need to get diagnosed just because we want to know, could I ever have one of those situations where like psychosis, extreme kind of like disassociation with reality and like. Just knowing some of the things about bipolar, it sounded like I might have said disorder, but it's basically like largely working adults. And I look at like tech and I wonder if it's, I guess what I would say is this.
If you find yourself not sleeping near enough, I feel like there's got to be one listener out of all of our listeners. Yeah. That's like, oh shit, that could be me. That. Sounds kind of like me. Not that it needs to change your life. I'm not looking to get on medication. I'm not looking to. I just wanted to understand it and and kind of curb the main drawbacks that people with bipolar die like 10 years earlier or something. Makes sense if you don't sleep.
That would add up over time. So, yeah, I think if you don't sleep enough and if you find yourself real excited about your work, like more excited about it than anything in life. all the time and you can't sleep because you want to wake up and work on it and then sometimes you're kind of depressed uh just maybe look into it maybe dm me sometimes i get a dm when i talk about stuff and they're like hey i didn't know that was me but that's me too so that's nice yeah
Maybe it's you too. And I'm going to provide a counter thing here, which is if this sounds like you, but you're not getting a lot done, it probably isn't you. you're a bad bipolar you're failing you're probably you're probably just like not disciplined like there's just
There's a lot of ways to seem... Yeah, you could just not sleep and not be bipolar. That's possible. Because I think that was me when I was younger. I definitely didn't sleep. I was kind of all over the place in the same way, but it wasn't related to this at all. I wasn't really getting away for me. It's like it's like every morning feels like Christmas morning. Like when I'm hypomanic or manic, whichever it is, it's like I cannot stay in bed. I'm too excited. I got to get up and.
Sure. There's like projects at work that that's probably normal for people. But when it's like every day for three months, I don't know. It's probably a sign you should get it checked out. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it's having been around a few people.
now that have fallen under this it's uh it's like easy to just be like oh that's normal but then when you like actually think about it for a second it's actually extremely obvious when uh someone's bipolar yeah it really is that you are so you also like mentioned to me that uh i just want to tell you this um you mentioned to me when you got your diagnosis you mentioned to me like oh they recommended one aspect was like kind of routine social interactions and i was telling that to liz and liz
commented that oh he's going to like someone legit because that's like very tailored advice that's not like the generic stuff you typically typically get so yeah whoever you're going to She seems legit. She costs as much as a lawyer, so she better be legit. It was like an eight hour evaluation. I sat in there all day with this woman. I mean, she had seen me twice before. Like this was kind of like she recommended we do a full assessment for a few things.
And it involved sitting in there with her all day long. So she got to, I couldn't hide any bits of me by the end of it. It was just me. So did you know that there are some therapists that specialize in treating other therapists? Really? Yeah. Who watches The Watchmen? Am I right? But then who do they go to, right? Oh, yeah. There's got to be a point of failure at some point at the chain. Yeah. It's just like... That's interesting.
And again, having known some people that are like professionals in that space that are like really good at their career. Yeah. It seems like a cursed career in a lot of ways because they're just thinking about this stuff so much. And it's just not healthy to have to think about this much. They all are like, like way too analytical about every little thing that they do. And they like treat it like, Ooh.
They're like, what would a good patient be like? And then they like try to act in like they try to assess themselves in the way that what kind of patient that them as a therapist would want. So it's like this really complicated thing when. you're a therapist and you yourself need the therapy. It just seems like, yeah, like a special kind of hell. That's tough. Yeah. It feels like, I mean, if you really believe that what you're doing is good.
Like you're doing something for other people. You're sacrificing a lot of your life to live that life. Cause yeah, sitting in a room every day with, I can't imagine, like it's hard for me to spend an hour in therapy. I can't imagine doing it all day long. every day yeah so we have so liz's best friend has has had the dream patient scenario happen because i think every patient to some degree is self-conscious that
Am I just super boring to this person? Like, is this person just like hating the hour they're spending with me? Yeah. And, you know, the reality is, is like, yes, most therapists find most of their patients like boring. Sure. And it's just, it's just like very boring work for them. But Liz's friend had this crazy situation where a therapist is like, I.
I'm done. I'm, I forgot what it was. She was like not being a therapist anymore or like she was retiring and she was like, but I want to be your friend. Like, let's like continue to hang out. So she got confirmation that she was like, not a boring patient. Oh, now I want to win over my therapist. I want her to want to be my friend. But that's also like, not a, that like.
It's like a fundamentally unhealthy relationship to have to your therapist. These dynamics are funny, and the way that things I have to think about are really funny. So weird professions. I mean, you spend like... As a person spending, like on the patient side, you're spending time with this person every week. It's a friendship. Like it becomes a friendship, but like.
they can't just have all their friendships be their patients. So they have to like, look at it very differently. Right. Like, you're not just becoming friends with everybody that walks in the door. No, no. Yeah. And they can't.
they like have to be really explicit about certain things to avoid you seeing them in a certain way which then like can disrupt what they're trying to do so it's a funny thing and then and then like uh our friend i was talking about who is a therapist he does i think couples therapy mostly so then that's like even crazier dynamics because there's two people um yeah it's uh it's interesting it's very interesting
Anyway, enough of mental health, my brain, etc. Adam is depressed. Everyone sent him money. I'm not depressed. I actually sent him money. Because that's what will make me happy. I did just come out of a little slump, a depression. I hesitate to call it depression, not because I'm like, it feels vulnerable or something, which I want to get back to that, what that word means. Not that like...
I don't want to be viewed as weak or something because I'm depressed. More just like, I don't know if it's actual depression and I don't want to make light of like people who have depression.
capital D if that's like a separate thing I don't know I don't know it might be the same exact thing okay but I will say like you're because we interact mostly digitally I weirdly get a more shallow view of you but the shallow view has less noise so it's like really clear when you're in one mode or the other you know i could tell for the past couple weeks yeah that it was you were in a different mode
I've been sleeping like 10 hours a night and if nothing else in my life were different, that's crazy. Like tell Brian Johnson. Yeah. Oh, I want to talk about Brian Johnson in this episode too. Cause he, he's kind of like made the leap after, I feel like we talked about him before he was definitely in like the public light, but then the Netflix series came out and I feel like I see constant.
things about brian johnson now and he's also like in our little bubble like he replied to madison yesterday yeah he's like and i saw him reply to theo like he's uh he's kind of like In our Twitter circle in ways, he's touched it. And it's very interesting. Where do you want to go next? What's going on? Twitter, you want to talk about something?
There's lots of news. There's an inauguration. There's lots of memes. Yeah, I watched the inauguration. I don't know if you did. I actually, I don't think I've ever watched one really before, but I just had it on the background while I was working. Yeah.
Man, is it boring. How do you watch stuff like that? Was it on YouTube or was it? Yeah, it was everywhere. It was on Twitter. It was on YouTube. It was a bunch of places. It was on Twitter, of course. Yeah, that makes sense. It was pretty boring. Like, I don't know, just like a lot of staying around and waiting. It wasn't like a.
Back to back. Like we got stuff going. This person shows up. There's a lot of like downtime. It took forever for it to start. I thought so. If I'm being honest, like seeing a lot of the clips of people speaking and like there were speeches. All that stuff. I didn't know. I just thought it was like hand on the Bible, hand up, say some stuff. And that's the inauguration. I didn't know there was like.
a whole thing about it. I mean, there's definitely speeches, but I don't know if it's always to this degree where there's just like a slew of people talking about, uh, about things. Yeah, so I think a few things that stood out to me were, one, just it's crazy how intertwined with religion a lot of this stuff still is.
I mean, hand on the Bible. I just said like, yeah, I mean, that part is fine. Like, I think the whoever's getting sworn in can choose. They can definitely choose like what they're swearing in on. And I think it like I think. I think in Trump's case, he like chose his mother's Bible or something. And then he actually didn't even put his hand on it when he swore in, which was probably just an accident. That's funny. Yeah. So, but like just.
You know, the people that speak, it's people that are like reverence. And there's also like a rabbi. And that one is just to me like. OK, like the president isn't Jewish. So there's no explanation as to why a rabbi is speaking besides their intentionally being, oh, we need to represent these ex-religions as part of our government swearing-in ceremony. Yeah, it is like just kind of increasing in that world that's increasingly like fewer and fewer people are like involved.
in religion it's uh yeah increasingly secular yeah it's a word yeah um it's bizarre it stands out it's just it's just interesting to see that that show up show up again um and it's not just like It's more the way. OK, so the one thing is across all the speeches, everyone was just like crazy sucking up to Trump. That was like a I don't know if that's normal when a new president comes in. Everyone is just like.
Yeah, I think there's like an above average amount of like, you know, showering the new candidate in praise. I didn't I didn't watch the inauguration, but I've sensed there's an above average amount of sucking up. this time i don't know what that's about but and i think it makes sense because it was such a contentious election and like people saw as a very important one um but there's like this whole so when the religious people talk
They do it in their flavor, which is like, like God guided his hand. God is protecting him. Like he's like touched by like there's like this essence of divinity attached to it. And that's so interesting to me because I'm like, this is how. We used to like, this is how like kings and emperors were spoken of. Like they were seen as literally there's like a, there's like a terminology for this. Like, uh, when like your role is.
Like God like authorizes your rule. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Divine right or whatever. Divine right to rule. It's something like that. It's like because I like, you know, ordained. Sorry, I've been trying to think of words. And that one just came to my head. Like in certain cultures, like the emperor, they literally saw them as like a literal God. And I'm not saying we're anywhere close to that, but it was it was.
Funny to see that. And, you know, they were talking and especially because he survived the assassination attempt. There's that whole angle of like, you know, there being a divine intervention and making this interesting. So, yeah, it is interesting how much that is.
a part of everything uh and it's not like i guess like you said there's like a increasing percentage of the population that just doesn't live their lives that way so it's kind of out of place do you think that was the case four years ago like do you think the there's a party divide on how much the religious aspects come into the presidency? I mean, I don't know, because I think my gut feel is Biden is probably more religious than Trump, like in his heart. Sure.
I imagine that like I like just the way Trump has spoken about this stuff. I feel like he fought. It's like so clearly he forces it in and like he just he just seems like just a guy from New York. And like, I know I know what that vibe is. It's not. You don't like view life through religion, really. That's my read on it. So that's my read as well. And it's very funny to me how much like Christian America.
backs Trump and is like, I mean, it's just a huge part. You can't separate religion from politics because it's like so many people in America align with some religion, specifically evangelical Christianity. And it's just like this thing that everyone knows they all vote for the Republican. And like Republican and Christian are just kind of like this weird amoeba.
thing that's mashed together amoeba wasn't dry word this weird like molecule that's been mixed together and it's just i don't know i can't talk about it without getting really like grossed out because it kind of bothers me but yeah i mean just like when i was part of that
belief system. I saw it in like the mega church in Springfield, Missouri has like the politicians come through during that season. It's like September, October, they all stop in the church and the pastor like announces them and they stand up and wave. And like, everybody claps. And like, it's just the whole thing is so dumb to me. Like, I mean, just the idea that like, I don't know, if you believe in something like Christianity, just show me the overlap.
of those beliefs with like Republican Americans. I don't get it. Yeah. It's just like, I mean, like, yeah, it's just obvious that Trump isn't. isn't like a christian exactly but they view him as like this messianic figure yeah that's like come to save i mean yeah it's just the thing that overrides everything is like just alignment like you know if
someone is aligned with goals that you have, then it's very easy to overlook a certain character. To be fair, I think a lot of people don't do that. I think there's probably a lot of Christian people that are very upset by the way some people sure in power that are technically representing them you know represent them um but yeah it's just uh just a reality of just power and all these like all these dynamics um
But yeah, there's like no way that Trump. I just can't see it like it. I mean, it's not like it's funny because it's like this might sound like I'm criticizing him, but I'm actually not. What I'm actually saying is I know how I am. And like, I feel like he's kind of like me. So I don't know how much he pretends that he's not. I just feel like it's more on the like.
religious people's side that they've grafted this thing onto him and decided he is this thing. I think he does what every politician does, which is like say the amount you have to say to like get the vote for that. You know what I mean? Like that constituency. anyway yeah uh i feel like we can't not talk about elon too just how much he's played a role in this presidency and the inauguration and all of it i don't know like what's the deal he
He donated a ton of money, I guess. Yeah, donated a ton of money and like, yeah, just do whatever he could to put weight on the scale in that direction. Do you think that weighs in on why people like Zuckerberg are now so pro-Trump? Is it like, we're not going to let Twitter and X have some edge?
No, I've already done my rant on Silverberg. Oh, really? I've already explained it. Oh, you mean he's the lizard man? Yeah. He what? Yeah, see, he's just trying to be cool and he's just following whatever is cool. It does it does seem like I don't remember last time when Trump had his first term. I don't remember all these like corporate tech giants getting so behind. No, that's that's definitely a new thing.
Yeah, I think it's just an incentive thing, I think. Okay, let me actually talk about a very specific thing. Did you see the Stargate announcement yesterday? Yes, I want to talk about that too. Perfect. Okay, so I'm convinced that that's a fake announcement. Yep. And I'm open to being wrong about this, but just for context, Trump got up there with Sam Altman, Larry from Oracle, Larry Ellison.
uh and then uh the soft bank guy masa right and they announced hey there's going to be a 500 billion dollar investment in infrastructure for ai over the next i think they said five years or four years something like that and they listed who's involved they were like microsoft nvidia oracle uh you know softbank obviously mgx which is uh like a
I think it was a, it's like some, some, some fund in Saudi, like one of the like public fund from like managing their sovereign wealth or whatever. Uh, so I was like, huh? Okay. This is one, a crazy number. So I did some digging and I was like,
let's see if i can like make these numbers make sense so obviously when they list oracle and video whatever i don't think those companies are contributing money yeah they're actually the ones gonna be receiving money i'm assuming for the gpu oracle has some capability and building data centers whatever and obviously nvidia gpus etc so ignoring those people uh so microsoft was listed and microsoft already announced six months ago they had some stargate ai
thing and they were like planning on spending 100 billion over the next five years or something okay so there's 100 billion they're already doing something are they just like counting microsoft's effort as like oh yeah it's like under the stargate umbrella but that's they're like counting it as like oh this is general ai infrastructure even though that's just microsoft doing that for themselves kind of irrespective of it's not like they're going to be giving this infrastructure to like
you know their competitors yeah it's probably more than just ai just any any like cloud business that they have is probably part of this okay so ignore so 100 billion there okay gotcha uh softbank only has 350 billion assets managed. So like if they literally liquidated everything they had and they got like exactly what they wanted for it.
That still wouldn't be enough to cover this $500 billion. And realistically, they're not doing that. They probably will maybe raise a new round for this. Well, that's what I was going to ask. If it's over four years... is the argument from them just it's 125 billion a year yeah so is the argument from them that they're just they're gonna raise 500 billion over four years like yes okay so i i think they're basically saying like oh we're gonna this is our target we're gonna raise 500 billion
but like the people they listed, like the MGX fund, the whole fund is a hundred billion. I don't think they're going to YOLO the whole fund on like this one project. Yeah. Right. Uh, so like for what they listed, I'm like, This isn't really adding up. The numbers don't add up. And they do technically say up to $500 billion. They claim they're going to deploy $100 billion immediately. Maybe they're just counting Microsoft's thing plus whatever else they raised. I don't know.
So I'm like, OK, I think what's going on here is they went to Trump and they were like, oh, let's do this announcement. It's going to be sick. Yeah. And of course, from Trump's point of view, great. That's great PR for them. Second day in office or first full day in office, like he's got this really impressive sounding thing.
And then they can like kind of make it seem like, oh, we're established as like the market leader. Google and Facebook aren't going to see that and be like, oh, OK, we lost. You know, it's just like it's that's not what's happening. And then Elon tweeted today.
Cause he has this whole thing with open AI. He replied being like, this is fake. They only, they have less than 10 billion committed, which I'm sure he's probably making that up to some degree. So yeah, to me, it's just like, a marketing pr thing and i also thought oh this is exactly what i would do like i would go and make some big official sounding announcement if i had the capability to that just like creates a bunch of noise in the market um
It's always good to do. If they really said up to 500 billion, that's a pretty hilarious marketing gimmick. They did say that. I'm going to spend up to 500 billion on cereal this month. up to likely not going to reach those levels, but I'll spend up to 500 billion on my house mortgage payment this month.
yeah so i don't i don't know and the other thing is that's kind of crazy is like that is such a crazy bet to make on this root singular it all boils down to a root thing which is is scaling all we need Are we going to be able to spend $500 billion and get like 100x the quality? Or is it going to be 2x the quality?
That's like the question. Can you speak to just like what they've announced with Stargate? Like it's just data centers or what are they saying? And it's just for open AI to use to build new models. It's a broad statement. They're just saying we're going to.
There's going to be $500 billion invested in AI infrastructure that we need to do all this stuff. And technically, they're saying Stargate itself is a new company. And then Masa is going to be the chairman of it. But what does this company actually own? think they're necessarily owning the data center it's just like i don't know they're just gonna raise money and like direct it towards different things so they might like give it to open ai to then do stuff they might give it to someone else
to go do stuff. They might directly give it to NVIDIA to do to do stuff. So, yeah, it's like very vague. But if you imagine that some percentage of it is for training, some percentage of it is for inference, it's a lot of money. that's a lot of money it's kind of hard to even fathom 500 billion dollars yeah i think i think grok has the largest investment so far and that's only like
In the under $5 billion, I think, if I remember correctly. Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I find it really interesting because I think they effectively killed the perplexity category of companies.
which is like a modern search engine that basically is just like ingesting real like real-time information because it's doing all that like it does real-time stuff right yeah yeah and i find myself using it like in my head i just had a mental block of okay i basically go to lms for everything but if i'm asking something like
when does the severance show premiere what time i like can't go to ai for that because it doesn't know anything upcoming but now i realize like oh grok like almost always knows the answer to that And it effectively like basically that's the last part of the last time I go to Google. So now I'm trying to go to Brockmore for that kind of thing.
And yeah, now, you know, sports stats that are the latest, you know, stuff like that. It's always going to have the advantage of having all the tweets. Like, yeah, that's just. And tweets contain all of them.
current event question answers to all the current event questions there's a tweet out there with any current event question you have there's a tweet out there answering it basically yeah open ai like going to chat gbt for like a you just don't even think to ask like a current events question because you just know like
I don't think it can do that stuff. Right. And then the question is like, okay, technically open as models are better. Claude's models are better, but that just seems like a temporary gap. If Grok just gets that good. why would you use two things you probably wouldn't you probably would just use grok for everything so yeah as of now they're in like this really interesting position i think
And it was kind of not very predictable. Yeah, let's talk about the whole AI landscape right now because there's so much going on with like DeepSeek R1 came out. I guess people are very impressed with this model. It's open source. Where does OpenAI sit in the landscape? Because Claude, I mean, there's all these other models that people use that pay for subscriptions for. Like, is OpenAI behind? Are they still leading? Because for a while, they were leading. They're still leading because...
Their models are still the, I mean, the best is such a fuzzy question, but like on certain evaluations, their models tend to do well and they tend to release them first. So. Yeah, the DeepSync thing came out, but, you know, it was after 01, and presumably, like, you know, they've got, like, OpenAI has advanced since they released it, and they have, so I think they're still in the lead, it's just...
that lead is just more and more marginal. And it's just becoming very clear that, I mean, it's been clear-ish for a while that the winning company is not going to be, it's not going to be related to like, Who has the best raw model? Because that just becomes a commodity that's just everyone eventually hasn't been good enough or around the same. So you asked an actually really interesting question I just glossed over earlier. It was like...
The Stargate thing is scaling it really the problem. Do you have thoughts on that? Like, can we scale this current thing? I have no clue, but I think that's just a fundamental question, right? If it turns out just doubling.
the power 10xing the raw power is gets you like brute forcing to ai like agi like yeah that would be crazy yeah like that's that that's well that's how the bets are aligned basically um not entirely i'm kind of exaggerating like there's they're obviously also inventing new techniques like optimizing things but roughly they're betting if they build a 10x bigger data center you get like uh
like an exponentially better model for like the amount of effort you've invested which if it's that's not true and it's actually the opposite where it's you know logarithmic and it like starts to taper off This is a complete waste of resources. What do you think about quantum? Because there's been all these headlines too. Google had a big quantum. We didn't talk about this.
They had this big breakthrough with quantum computing, which has always just kind of been like this thing that is coming, but not really coming. And like, we don't actually know how to do it. But think about the possibilities. Now it seems like there's actual potential for commercialization in the next.
some number of years. Do you think about that, how it relates to AI? Because all this stuff that we're doing with the types of LLM, the approaches to building these models would all be completely different in a world where quantum computing was like a... part of modern infrastructure right uh maybe because it's not like it's still possible that okay so just on quantum computing itself it's like i don't know the number but let's say there's like six moonshots that need to happen for
quantum commuting to be usable and that google thing was like we got past one of them but they got but they got past correction but they're still like there's still like many of those left to get to a place where it's usable and then even then It's not like it's a general purpose computer. It's like insanely useful and going to transform society, but not it's just not clear whether like.
it's going to be in a shape that like meaningfully impacts AI and also on the timelines and a lot of stuff can happen. It's so like tantalizing when you read the headlines with quantum computing, like the stuff it can do. Maybe it's just super specific stuff, but those things it does like.
trillions of times faster than a computer or there's just like does it and a computer couldn't like a classical computer could never work it out before the heat death of the universe and it can do it in like five minutes or whatever you just can't hear those headlines and not think like well, what could that do with AI? What could that do with these approaches to synthetic intelligence? I feel like the potential seems crazy.
that's true but the other dynamic to consider is it might be that oh it is true that scaling is all you need but it turns out the other thing you also need is more input data and you can have like the biggest data center ever and it turns out the results are not any better because we've exhausted input data for the system and like synthetic data like is not making it work any better.
but then you know that could also be the bottleneck and then we won't know how to really really address that i i think fundamentally it's just this thing where clearly like even if this stuff works we've just created a parallel way to get to some level of intelligence because this biological brain we have is still superior in like every single way. Like it doesn't need.
a billion examples of what a dog looks like to look like a dog it needs like two yeah uh and it doesn't need this crazy amount of power it doesn't need all this stuff so i still feel like there is still maybe a totally different approach to AI that might end up being the thing that actually makes it happen.
uh because what we have now feels so divorced from what nature invented and a lot of things in life are that way like the more efficient thing is like not the way it works in nature at all but when it comes to intelligence it feels like The nature version is really, really good. So it is really, really good. But I take issue with the idea that this thing, we've created a parallel version that's just a shittier version of our brain. There are things it does that I couldn't do.
Yeah, it has infinite memory. The memory thing. Yeah, like the ability to like pull context from areas I've never heard about and like put a coherent answer together. That feels very useful, especially in our line of work, like as a knowledge worker. it how do you explain that in terms of like it's just memory it just has more memory than us or it has more a wider yeah but i think what i'm describing is uh i'm not saying if you built the nature version of it that
you could just also have that. If you built it in a virtual environment, there's no reason you couldn't give it more memory while still retaining what's good about. the way our our brains currently we're saying like if we built a whole different approach to ai that was more like our brain you could also give it the memory yeah
You can still untether it from the downsides of our brain, which is like it experiences time at a certain rate. So you can't like teach it at a faster rate than we want. And like, you know, forget stuff and it's unreliable in certain ways. And it might turn out like a lot of those things are important. Like if you build something that's a human brain that remembers perfectly and it has any kind of negative input.
and it remembers it perfectly forever, it might just end up being traumatized in a way that is hard to correct for. Yeah, it can relate. Uh, yeah. Um, so maybe the forgetting is like actually really important. So yeah, I think it's, it's just so clear when I started to start talking about things in this way, the thing we have is quite different than.
a brain in a box. It is so, this is such an interesting moment in time where all these companies, you think of Nvidia and then all the major tech companies, Google, Amazon, OpenAI, whoever. They're all pouring so much money down this path because they have to. They have to assume it's going to work out and they're going to beat the other people. They have no choice. The competitive forces are such that they have no choice.
a trillion dollars will go in this space in the next five years. And it's like, could be wrong. Oopsie. Like imagine someone that has just like, what would it look like to make a contrarian bet today? It would be betting that they're investing in the wrong place. Like not entirely wrong. Like you still go for AI, but you're like the architecture they're following is like totally wrong. Yeah. And if you make a contrarian bet there and you're right.
This is like the best bet ever made in the history. It's the bigger short. The biggest short. You would build a business that eats all of them. Yeah, how do you make that contrarian bet? Not like I'm actually going to try and make this contrarian bet. Me and my middle America. I mean, you would have to have the idea for it first. That's just like, I'm not smart enough to come with that. You're saying the contrarian bet is the person who makes the alternative that goes hard down that.
path it's not just like shorting all of their stocks no no no yeah that's no shorting is not actually a contrarian thing it's uh you have to bet on the thing that actually wins where everyone's betting on a thing that ultimately loses
So there's like a crazy opportunity for whoever is able to have clarity on that. And maybe there isn't nothing. It turns out they're right. Yeah, it could be right. It's just, yeah, it feels like it'd be really hard if you're like a founder type and you actually have the credentials to do this.
To get people excited about... I mean, maybe not. Maybe there's people excited about everything. But to be like, we're going to go a different direction. Forget the whole LLMs and what's the underlying... thing that transformer architecture like we're going to do a totally different thing
i guess there probably are companies doing that and getting funded no if someone had that and they had like a compelling story around it they would easily get funded yeah that's true like they're still most vcs are not contrarian but They're still like true contrarian VCs out there that like make sure that they don't miss those things because that's their job. Seems like a noble mission. Seems like somebody needs to be building the backup plan because.
Yeah, it would just suck if this really did all kind of, it feels like there's no way to know if it's a dead end or not. It's just like you have to build these giant data centers. You have to stuff more and more GPUs and more and more training data into these things to figure out the limits.
Right. The thing that's unclear is ultimately all humans operate the same. And we're a lot of us like we're all like pretty faith based when it comes to a bunch of things. And we do a good job of distorting ourselves so we can. We could operate that way. It's possible that some of the people in charge, if they sat down and looked at it really coldly, they would not make this bet. But the.
enticement of this actually working out is so large that it's overriding that analysis. So it's possible Sam Altman is just like actually doesn't fundamentally believe that scaling is all we need, but he hopes. It is. And there's a small chance that it is. And there's a small chance that it is. And of course, he's going to do whatever he can to direct as many resources that the world has.
at it i mean i i think the worst case i guess as i think about it like the floor is still pretty good like this stuff is useful it's just is it useful enough to warrant like the biggest investment in history in any one thing did we already talk about how he said oh one pro was not profitable yeah you said that last i think last episode maybe
yeah so i mean that's the problem though it's like the stuff is useful but can it be sustained i saw a video of someone like stacking five mac minis to run deep seat at like a really shitty like slow rate okay like a really like crappy like token per second rate and i'm like what the that's what it's anytime every time i hit them like that's of course they're using more optimized hardware and like i'm sure some stuff is better but
That like gave me a visual of like a window into it. Yeah. Holy crap. Like I'm consuming the equivalent of five Mac mini is like a hundred percent dedicated to just answering my question when I'm using this thing. So. yeah it's possible that it's just uh you know the optimizations just can't happen uh for it to get there so interesting times we live in it really does feel like
I kind of feel lucky sometimes just to live in this timeline. I mean, I know some people hate this timeline, but it feels nice to get to see all this stuff unfold in our prime of our career. What are the odds? Or maybe it'll be crazier stuff that our kids get to witness.
I don't know. It feels pretty cool. You think about how little the world changed. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I was going to talk about it. It's like I always think about, wow, it's so crazy that I could have been born like in medieval times and like I wouldn't have seen any of this. But at the same time, there's a weird dynamic where.
There's more people on earth than ever. So it was actually most likely that I would be born at this time. Interesting. Yeah, that's a good point. Most people have been born this time. It's actually really rare for you to have been born. In the medieval times. So maybe, yeah, maybe not medieval times, but think like 150 years ago, like the world didn't change a lot in your lifetime. Right. I mean, I think about people like grandparent age currently.
uh and it's like or maybe even like a little bit older than them like people that were like yeah i guess older than that because they saw like electricity come into being like that's pretty crazy to go from like candlelight to like there is electricity you you can just feel it just by looking at OK, so imagine someone in the late 1800s. OK, like imagine what they would be wearing and kind of like your imagery of them and then realize that they probably died in like the 70s.
And then imagine what the people are wearing in the seventies. Like how did one person witness all that experience both of those situations? Right. Interesting. Yeah. It's really mind blowing. And then of course the clothing implies like. Massive change across the board. Yeah. Like to all parts of culture and life. I don't really notice that the clothing changes anymore. Do you? I don't pay attention enough. I'm probably so out of touch with my dress.
how i how i dress myself well i was complaining the other day that i really think that we're at like a low in terms of aesthetics across the board and i don't think it's a subjective thing that i'm just like old and out of touch i think it's I think there are times in life where society is in a better place aesthetically. Other times where they're more lost. So I think we're in like a lost phase right now.
Everything just kind of ugly. Well, yeah, I don't know if I pay attention enough to the world. I thought you just meant like software. It's not just clothing. It's like everything. I thought you just meant. Yeah, no, software too. Just like everything. Hmm. Yeah. So we're in a low. And I think everyone feels this with, with like furniture interior design. Like we just haven't seen anything better than like the sixties.
the mid-century modern stuff. As cliche and tired as it is, you just look at any scene in Mad Men and you're like, oh, this is really good. This is really nice. And we've tried other stuff, but... most of it hasn't really been better. It is interesting that like, I have a ton of mid-syndrome modern stuff. Like where is the last 60 years of furniture change? What is the new stuff? Yeah. Like the Eames chair is still.
Everywhere. Everyone wants, still wants to even share as their centerpiece in their living room. I mean, you can't, you can't walk around in a city. Like we were just in New York. I mean, I guess not just New York, but it was a few couple months ago, whatever. Uh, Just like seeing buildings with crazy architecture, just like the ornate stuff on the facade. Oh, yeah. The older stuff. Yeah, just like we don't we wouldn't do that anymore, would we?
Is that just like an old man yells at cloud thing? I don't even understand. Cause like you'll like walk by a building and there's like a random mass intricate carving on like some corner of it. And you're just like, how did they allocate? Yeah. someone's time to bother doing that that just like doesn't make sense to me at all uh and i mean like new york is crazy like so the modern stuff in new york is also very crazy uh so it's gonna extreme to look at
But like outside of extreme places like New York, the modern stuff just feels like so lazy. It just feels like we try to build like the easiest possible thing. Why is that? There's something there. There's some deep psychology to be unearthed, or it's really simple.
I don't know. I think it's a mix of, I think there is like a real cultural thing. Like we don't put enough value. Yeah, we don't, we don't, we don't put enough value. And then also there's like a practical side of it. There's like a, there's all these like zoning complexities, um, which I've learned about recently that, uh,
are why a lot of these buildings are are pretty ugly. There's this whole thing about like buildings need two sets of stairwells now and that forces like all these constraints on what types of buildings people can build. And the side effect of that is it's almost never the kind of stuff that you would want. Things are ugly. Can I bring up something else? It's completely unrelated. Twitter. There's a thing. There's one last relic of LinkedIn that lives on Twitter.
And it is, I'm a parent who just loves my children and I love playing with them. If anything takes me away from my kids for an afternoon, F that, I'd rather play with my kids. You know what? Shut up.
Stop it because I'm a parent. No, I'm glad you're bringing this up because I have felt, I've had like strong thoughts about this recently, but I'm like, I can't say anything because I don't have kids. Okay, well, I have kids and I'll say this. Yeah. And I don't know what I've said about my kids on the podcast. I love my children.
I honestly believe it's the greatest and the worst part of my life. Like it makes all the highs higher. I don't know if I've ever said this on the podcast. I'm sure I've said it to you in person or something. All the highs are higher. All the lows are lower. Like life got way more intense since we had kids. We've got a 10 year old. So it's been a decade now. I love my kids. I would not say that like on a Saturday afternoon.
My favorite thing to do is play with them. There are some times where I just miss playing with them. I haven't seen them. And I want to just that's what I genuinely want to do. But a lot of times I play with my kids because they need to be played with because they're bored or they're whatever. And like.
It's an obligation at times and that's okay. It doesn't mean I don't love my kids, but to act like, yeah, I don't know. Like all I want to do in life is be a dad. Maybe it's my bipolar speaking, but like, that's not the case. No, no. i i've i have this different perspective on this where i don't have kids but seeing people talk about this i'm like i'm actually i want to make a commitment to never speaking about my kids in that way because
It sounds really positive, but in a lot of ways, you are saying that you're not doing a bunch of things because of your kids and you're kind of putting. you're like basically saying that you're kind of like and this is an extreme way to put it but i think it illustrates a point which is you're blaming them effectively for you not doing a bunch of things and the reality is is there are people
that always do both there's always someone out there whose kids are like my dad was great he spent a ton of time with me and they also did all this other stuff that people are like i don't do that stuff because i want to spend time with my children so i just don't want to ever feel like
Of course, people don't phrase it in a way where it seems like they're using them as an excuse. But I don't think I'm 100% wrong to say there is some aspect of that. And I feel like I don't want to ever position them that way. There's definitely some kind of like, we all want to be good parents. We all want to like be viewed as good parents and people who value our kids. I think our generation too, like.
I think there's some amount of, we were shaped by our parents, our boomer parents who maybe didn't. They wouldn't have said these things if they had Twitter back then. They wouldn't have been like, man, I just love to play with my kids. There's a there's a bit of like millennial identity that is we love playing with our kids. And I don't know. I just I don't want to like. I'm not trying to shame any individual who says
that their favorite thing to do is play with their kids or that they hate activities that take them away from their kids. That's fine. Maybe you actually do, but I do think there's a bit of like LinkedIn-ness to it where we all just want to be viewed as like amazing parents. And it's hard. Being parents is hard. I think there's this natural dynamic of you say like a millennial identity thing. There is generally a culture that we want to be true. And then we will.
engage in rituals that reinforce that, whether it's fully true or not. So like this thing of saying, like, all I want to do is spend time with my kids is because we want a world where you could just do that. So everyone just says it over and over and reinforces it. And maybe they don't say that, hey, like you said, like you just said, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't want to go do a thing on my own. Because even though that's true as totally fair and no one would be upset at that.
It's not in service of this larger culture that I think we're trying to make happen. You put that very smartly. Thank you for making that sound smart. You took what I said and you made it smart. I love it. I'm just glad you said it because I feel like I felt this way and I felt really unfair for me to again because I'm just not in that position. I think you should just respond to tweets like that and be like listen from someone who doesn't have kids.
shut up. I think, I think it'll come really, it'll come through really hard if the fact that you don't have kids. I think it's also I mean, just you saying it is also important because the downside of this thing where we like. You know, it's good to have this ideal and strive for it, but the downside of it is people take it too literally and then they like.
find themselves in situations where they feel the way you do, where you're like, oh, sometimes I don't want to, you know, I want to do my own thing. And they might feel bad about that or they're a bad person because everyone else around them is professing like. some kind of purity around it. And that's why I call it out, not to shame the people who say it, but to like push back on this feeling because I have the feeling when I see stuff like that, just like.
the I'm a dad I can't believe I'm a dad I'm the it's the best when I see those kind of things and I have any bit of like oh but it's also like so hard I feel bad about am I just a bad dad and it doesn't help like being bipolar and honestly like I wonder, do I just not enjoy my kids as much as most people because I just want to be working because I'd rather be manic and at my desk all day with coffee? There's that fear. So I definitely have all these self-conscious bad feelings.
And then I come back to it and it's like, no, you know what? It's just, it's hard being a parent. And we don't all feel that way. It's like a ritual, like you said. It feels like one of those. things like everything that's posted on LinkedIn. Like we just say it to get the claps and then, yeah. Yeah. The LinkedIn thing is funny. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. It just, for me, I don't.
Me personally, like that identity is not the one that I am going for. To me, like that feels, I have this thing about like, I'm like, and I guess it's entirely a personal thing.
i feel like when you say certain things it cheapens the reality of the actual thing so i feel like again just a personal thing if i feel like i like really like love my kids i love spending time with them it feels wrong for me to like say that it feels like kind of cheapens yeah like the sentiment behind it it feels like okay some part of it is just because i want other people to know yeah
Which is fine. Everyone, that's true. But actually saying it makes it too real. If we all just constantly say how much we love Next.js, then when we actually do love Next.js and we have that feeling like, man, this is a good framework. it cheapens it because we've just been, it's a ritual now and it doesn't sound real. So we have to actually be real. Yeah. And this is the thing I have with, uh, with, uh, the whole wife guy thing too. Oh, what's the wife guy thing? Oh no, I'm probably this guy.
no no i don't think you are it's uh so there's this dynamic of like publicly being like talking about how like great your wife is and you know xyz that's like a trend that is a thing on social media And I felt the same way about this where I'm like, I do feel that way. Like I really do. But if I ever post it publicly for other people, to me, it feels like I'm like taking something away from the, from how genuine.
that thing is and liz feels the same way too she's like don't be a wife guy please she like doesn't she doesn't like that that concept and the funniest thing is a lot of times uh it tends to be kind of projection or like cover for things aren't actually are as perfect as uh as people are trying to make it seem so it's definitely very similar to the whole kids thing but yeah it's reality of social media there's a lot of uh
performative aspects. It's unfortunate because I'd love to like be super relatable and share all the actual difficult things in life. But like that stuff doesn't really go on social media very far. So it's like, you can't really help that many people. It's like, no, I think it does. Okay. So did you. I finally had my first ever truly viral tweet. Oh, really? Wait, what? When? Did I miss it? It ended up in newsletters. Paul Graham replied. What was it? When was this?
How did I miss it? It was the dumbest tweet ever. It was dumb. I would say if I would rank it on my tweets, it's not a particularly good tweet. Okay, not screenshot of potato. I'm still scrolling. no no no here it's uh i wrote the only the only career advice i have is make every decision that moves you closer to not having to be on linkedin okay yeah that's a good one uh
It has 95,000 likes. Okay. What's that like? Does it even give you notifications? I always see those tweets and I wonder like, what's it like to get 95,000 likes? I've muted everything. I've always mute things like very.
soon after they like go above like a couple hundred um so i don't know what it would have been like maybe twitter just saw some notifications but it was really crazy because like all these like professional social media people were like including it in their newsletters and like you know it was just like this funny dynamic uh it was on some like random blog spam article being like top tweets this week But the point I bring it up is, why did this tweet do well? It's not particularly insightful.
It's not particularly good. I see where this is going. But it is the most relatable tweet possible because everyone loves shitting on LinkedIn. And we all know like it's fake. It's that thing where we were doing it, but we know it's.
it's so fake. So there's something about that, that we all just like, yes, thank you. I hate it. So I think the things that go the most viral are things that are contrarian in a shallow way where they're like counter to what's currently happening but technically that's a very common thing like everyone hates linkedin but it's counter to like everyone is on linkedin trying to do linkedin thing
So the thing you're describing, probably, if you talked about this, it would probably do pretty well because I think a lot of people do feel the way you feel, but it is counter to what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah. Yeah, I gotcha. Yeah. I just scrolled forever. You tweet so much. I was trying to find the tweet so I could like it. I want to join 95,000 people in liking your tweet. Just open my, open my.
page and private browsing. Oh, because it shows you your top, like the public view of people's profiles, like their top tweets. Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. To think about like, what are my dumb top tweets? And that's not a great view of me. It's crazy because that one is 95,000 and number two is 9,000. Wow. That's a big leap. It's crazy. 10x. Yeah. A step function. Really crazy.
That's all those founder words, you know? Nobody knows what that means. It just means 10x, I think. Just add another zero. That's funny. Yeah. It's also funny because like I tweet so much and I've been on Twitter for so long. It's taken me so many tries before I got here. And there's people that like do this. people that we know that do this yeah like very frequently like you know like you know vick you mean like pop off uh vick yeah i know vick me and vick go way back
He pops off. He has like, he has so many of these. I feel like every other week he's just going crazy viral for. Annie has a bunch of them. I've seen a bunch of hers. And yeah, and then Annie's like. Every single week she's got something going. Yeah, I gotta pee so bad. Are we done? Should we just be done? Okay, we can be done. It's been an hour, hasn't it? Okay, yeah, we should just be done. I gotta pee. All right.
All right. See you, man. The sounds you make when you got to pee. Oh, my God. Okay. All right. See you. All right. Bye.