you Hello, fellow weirdos, and welcome to Horror Through Her Eyes. You've got the amateur destroyer and the Taminator here, ready to explore the twisted world of horror and prove that girls enjoy horror just as much as the guys do. We also have a very special guest. Welcome, long-time listener and supporter, and just all-around cool chick, Nicole Trawick. Welcome! That is so sweet. Thank you, guys. I was so flattered when you asked me to do this, so I'm happy to be here.
Oh, my God. You're so involved. And whenever you leave comments on anything, aside from usually agreeing with you on everything, it's just like you're very well written. I was going to say well-spoken, but I guess you're not actually like speaking to me. I just feel it feels like we're always speaking to each other. Right. But in writing, you come across like, you know, your shit. And I've heard you mentioned on.
podcasts before just when they're mentioning um listener feedback and stuff i was like oh Oh, that Nicole Trawick. She's a real horror fan. I hear her getting around in the horror circles. We'll see how well spoken I am. I'm probably better with the written word, but we'll go with it.
That is a thousand percent true of me, by the way. I always like fumble my words and forget what I was going to say. But in writing, I come across a lot more knowledgeable than I do when speaking. So that is welcome. All right. So thank you so. much, Nicole. Tammy was saying earlier behind the scenes for our listeners that Nicole's always commenting on everything that we do, and we've been saying, I'm sure people have heard us say, we've got to figure out an episode to get Nicole on.
because we're all so, like... We're all vibing with each other. So we're super excited that you're into the show from so that we could have a good excuse to get you on here. And as long as you're OK with it, we'd like to have you come back, you know, for this whole. queen um what do we call that show queen series for the show from season one if you don't mind um not to put you on the spot as long as you guys want me to come back after this yeah we do okay great
That'd be great, especially because with the shows, we don't really rate them until the end. You know, we don't like rate the episodes individually. So it'll be nice if you can you can hang out with us a few more times so everyone can hear your rating. at the very end yeah very good well for some reason we like to torture our guests by having them read our haunting headlines so nicole if you wouldn't mind we're gonna have you go ahead and take it away for a minute
The first one is Blumhouse bringing my Bloody Valentine franchise back to life, which this is when I read your show notes earlier. This is the first time I was hearing about this. So it's kind of exciting. Released in 1981, the original Canadian slasher classic My Bloody Valentine spawned a Hollywood remake, My Bloody Valentine 3D, in 2009. But it's now been 15 years since we've heard a peep from the franchise about a sadistic and bloodthirsty minor.
with a pickaxe to grind. But as the Ballad of Harry Warden once told us, it's a curse that will live on and on. And the My Bloody Valentine franchise does indeed plan to live on as Bloody Disgusting has exclusively learned that Blumhouse is developing a brand new My Bloody... Valentine movie stay tuned for more information as we learn it you guys fans of either of the other movies no actually
I'm not. But, you know, I'll give this a try. And in fact, it's probably like I know I've seen the original and that. Oh, no, I did see the remake like once. And I've seen the original maybe once or twice. And I don't know. It's just not my thing for some reason.
And I do like, like, the time period-ness of it. You know, it looks very 1981. It almost looks kind of 70s-ish, actually. So I do appreciate that much of it. But for some reason, I don't know. It's just, like, I guess just not my thing. What about you, Jessica? Yeah, I've only seen the original.
My Bloody Valentine. And I remember I was a little underwhelmed just because by the time I finally got around to watching it, you know, it was like a horror classic that I needed to see. And everybody loved it. And there's like definitely elements.
that i really appreciate about it like the whole minor thing and like going down into the caverns or whatever and then being on like an island setting i thought that that was really cool i remember not really liking the main characters all that much although i did enjoy some of the side characters um and some of the kills are really cool but like overall i'm not the biggest slasher fan
You know what I mean? And so I just remember that when I finally got around to seeing it, I think it just had been too long of people totally like ramping up my expectations. So it was a little underwhelming. I think if I and I'd only watched it once. I think if. When I watch it in the future, I'll probably just be like, yeah, it's just fun. Hang out.
watch people get killed and enjoy it, you know, a little more than I did my first watch. And I feel like that happens a lot if you don't see a movie right away and your expectations get too high because of what people are saying. A lot of times it's going to disappoint, unfortunately. Yeah, I don't do that in general anymore with horror movies. You know what I mean? Because now I've just learned to temper my expectations and understand that.
For fans are, you know, like very fanatical about the things that they love. And if they grew up with it, it's like it's so mind-blowingly good. And really, it's more of like a nostalgia thing. So I don't know what you're talking about. Thank you. You know what I mean. So, like, now when I watch, like, an older movie, I try not to get my expectations up too high. Like, I know I mentioned on one of our recent episodes I finally got around to watching The Lair of the White Worm.
another one for like folk horror people uh which i am in a folk horror you know is like oh you have to see this and so i went into it being like okay just know it's old it's probably a little cheesy uh you know and i actually like loved it. Like, love loved it. So, you know, I just try to, like, kind of temper my expectations now.
I think that's a good thing to do. I'm looking forward to it. I saw the remake first. So I have a fondness for that. And I know a lot of people don't like it, but I did go back and watch the original and I really enjoy that one too. So yeah, I plan on watching the remake at some point. I just, you know, it's just like a little.
priority thing for me um but probably one of these valentine's days i'll be like all right it's time to watch that remake so i usually watch one of them on valentine's day yeah there you go very good The next one is 1313, a James Wan producing horror. So it's a reboot of The Munsters, it looks like, in the wake of Rob Zombie's direct-to-video movie The Munsters back in 2022, which I never saw it, but I guess I got it. kind of mixed reviews.
Universal has now announced 1313, a brand new small screen reboot of the iconic television series. Developed and produced by James Wan's company, Atomic Monster, the new Universal horror series is said to be a reimagining of the 19th century. classic sitcom, The Monsters, that lives and breathes within the universe of MonsterVerse. Lindsay Anderson Beer.
who did Pet Sematary Bloodlines, will serve as a showrunner for 1313. The title is, of course, a reference to the Munster's family address, 1313 Mockingbird Lane. Deadline notes in the report, the project is being developed by James Wan, Beer, and Ingrid Bisou. for USP. Atomic Monster and Lab Brew are the production companies. Oh, well, it sounds like they're keeping, they're either like sort of soft rebooting or keeping this MonsterVerse going.
And then trying to include the small screen. So, I mean, yay for that. Does the world need a Monsters reboot? I don't know. I'm seeing this probably will end up, I would guess, what do you guys think, like Netflix, probably. I don't see it be on regular TV. Yeah, and if it's part of the last.
reboot then probably because that's where that one was right that was on netflix yeah the rob zombie one yeah i actually did watch it and i thought that it if i was a kid i would have been really into it which i think was like the uh intention behind I think that's supposed to be more for like kids, not really for adults. So that was something that watching it, I was like, oh, yeah, if I saw this as a kid, I'd be totally into it.
And I did like the monsters when I was a kid, too. So it didn't bother me all that much. I mean, as an adult, I was kind of bored. But that was the kind of thing like we were talking with Vin on the horror cast about imaginary because Tammy and I.
I both thought it was crap. And Vin wanted to take his kids to see it. And he's like, well, I read that like this is intended for kids. And Tammy and I were both still like, I don't think that kids are like dumb enough to like this still. You know what I mean?
His kids did not to say his kids are dumb. It's just that like, even with me trying to think from like a little Jesse point of view, I was like, yeah, I would not like that movie still. But with the monsters, that was something where I was like, yeah, if I was a little kid, I'd.
be totally into this um if that makes sense if that puts it into perspective that's one of the reasons that i haven't watched it i'm not the biggest rob zombie fan i like some of his stuff but most of it i feel like i don't and i thought it was going to be more for the people like us that grew up watching the original show and then as adults it would be geared towards us and when I started hearing it was more geared towards kids I was like
Yeah, I think I'm just going to pass, unfortunately. Yeah, I totally get that. Like, I like, you know, that there's projects like that to get kids into, you know, those kinds of older projects that maybe could just like fizzle out and die and everyone forgets about it. it you know what i mean um so it is cool but yeah you'd think that
a property like that for, you know, people our age that grew up with it, you would want to like kind of aim it towards them, or at least that would be the more like smart business way of going about it. Well, yeah, because kids now, I think nowadays, don't have much frame of reference for the monsters, really.
I mean, they may have caught. I don't I don't have cable, so I don't know anywhere that it like, you know, would be like even playing or whatever. But it's not like the old days where you just you know what you had to watch was cable and you watch what was ever playing and then you might. catch some old things like the monsters but I think yeah nowadays
The kids probably, the monsters doesn't mean anything to them, really. So I don't know. The latest public domain horror movie is coming out. It unleashes the killer piglet. I have not heard about this yet. You know they're just going to keep coming out with more and more movies. Coming soon from Spook House Media Works and Strange Film Studios is a horror movie tell Piglet, the latest twisted take on a public domain character from the Pooh universe.
I never saw the Blood and Honey, or I can't remember which was which, but the Winnie the Pooh, was Piglet in those movies? No, he wasn't in public domain yet. Oh, okay. So I didn't know if this was like a offshoot of that. I guess it's not. It probably is. I think like as they're coming, as the different characters are coming into public domain, they're including them. Because Tigger, I think Tigger is supposed to be in the second one. I'm not positive, but I think.
He wasn't in public domain yet when they did the first one. And I think that he either came out in the second one or they're planning to roll him out as soon as he's in public domain, too, because the characters are from like their characters, I guess, are technically from different years.
Oh, okay. I don't know how any of that works. Right. The team tells Beatty that new take on the public domain character Piglet blends elements of classic slasher films like Friday the 13th and Texas Chainsaw Massacre. We're sparing no expense to stay true to the genre's practical effect roots and create a truly nightmare-inducing experience. With an ensemble cast, Piglet is primed to be a cult classic in the making. They continue also... Also comparing the upcoming film to Motel Hell.
It will be directed by August Aguilera from The Gifted. The cast includes Celeste Blandin, Phantom Fun World, Jasper Hammer from All Eyes, and Brian Bremer of Pumpkinhead. The score is composed by Dr. Chud. formerly of the Misfits. Nice. Here's the official synopsis. Deep in the remote Appalachian Hills lives Piglet. The son of a once industrious butcher and married by, marred by tragedy, Piglet's solitary life is shattered when same hungry millennials trespass into his land.
In a foolish bid to manufacture exploitation, one of them slaughters Piglet's beloved pig. Little do they know, they've just incurred the wrath of a vengeful killer. Incest, Piglet brutally dispatches the trespasses one by one, displaying savage power. Oh, so this must be its own thing. That doesn't sound like it goes with blood and honey. Yeah, it sounds like it's a human person. Yeah. I don't know. That is so weird. I'm totally going to watch it, though.
So let me ask a dumb, hold on, let me ask a dumb question because I've never seen them. I assumed that like in the other ones, people are dressed up like those characters. Jessica, are you saying that like they're actually like poo gone bad? Like it's actually Winnie the Pooh gone bad. It's not.
Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, what it is is Christopher Robin leaves for college, so he leaves them behind in the 100-acre wood, and then they have to figure out how to, like, fend for themselves because he's always taking care of them and fed themselves. them and stuff and they like starve and start like um having to go after each other you know for food and like become cannibals and then they like hold a grudge against Christopher Robin and yeah it's pretty cool
Oh, how depressing. Okay. Although in that first one, like, yeah, it's like people with like Winnie the Pooh masks because it's low budget. And I haven't seen the second one yet, but it's supposed to be like, you know, upgraded. Okay. They got more money. All right. Obviously, these are doing okay because they're going to keep making them. So it must just be the so bad it's good crowd is just, you know. We're aiming it up. All right. Sorry, Nicole. Go ahead. Oh, no worries.
Night Always Comes, Eli Roth starring in a Netflix thriller. An adaptation of the 2021 novel written by Willie Floughton. Night Always Comes is on the way from Netflix and Aluna Entertainment. And Variety has announced the cast this week. The starters, Vanessa Kirby is leading the cast and will... producer Aluna, Eli Roth, Inglourious Bastards and the Idol, Jennifer Jason Leigh, The Hateful Eight in Fargo, Zach...
The Peanut Butter Falcon, Stephen James, If Beale Street Could Talk, Julia Fox, Uncut Gems, Randall Park, Always Be My Baby, and WandaVision. Sorry, Always Be My Maybe. And Michael Kelly, House of Cards, and Jack Ryan. also starred in the Netflix trailer. The film follows Lynette, a woman who risks everything to secure a future for herself and her brother by setting out on a dangerous odyssey in Portland, in doing so confronting her own dark past over one propulsive night.
Eli Roth is also one that's kind of hitter-ness for me. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, me too. Yeah, some of the stuff I really like and other things, I just, I'm not really quite sure why people hold it so highly. Yeah. We'll see. Him and Rob Zombie. like BFFs. So I guess that makes sense. Yeah.
Well, that sounds interesting. There's some cool people in it, like I love Jennifer Jason Leigh. Yeah, that's why I love the cast in there, because, I mean, obviously it looks like he's going to be an actor, not like the person making it. I don't love him. Did you guys watch that Eli Roth Presents?
series on shutter and he's a lot to take when he's just like talking he's a little full of himself and i'm not sure i like his face but yeah i don't like his face yeah right so he's not he's not a but he definitely seems a little he is but he also like Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, he just kind of knows it all is what it seems like. Yeah, but he does also like fanboy. So it's like he kind of comes off pretentious, but then sometimes he just comes off as like a total like real.
fan of you know cinema and horror and stuff like he was on joe bob for um house by the cemetery and joe bob's basically, like, why do you like this movie so much? It's actually kind of bad, like, technically. I love that movie. Yeah. Eli Roth was just, like, giving it all these, like, very grand excuses for being the way that it was, you know? So Bob's like, wow, you're pretty convincing. I almost think this bad movie is good.
You can see, like, in that episode, for sure, like, his love and fandom, like, coming through his eyes, all glinting with tears. You know what I mean? He is kind of a know-it-all, but he is actually knowledgeable, at least. He's not one of those people who just pretends like they know everything and just does things like they're a fact when they're not.
Or one of those people that make horror movies because they think it's easy and will make a lot of money, but they don't really care about the genre. Right. He's definitely a fan. Totally. Mmmmm. All right, well, now it's time for Fright Bites. And since you're our special guest, Nicole, we're going to let you go first. Please let us know anything you've been watching or doing that is horror-related lately.
Well, probably the last thing that I watched that was horror-related is Low Life on Tubi, which I think you both watched it. I didn't, but I know Mark and Jessica did and both liked it. Right, Jessica? You liked it. Yeah. Yeah. We just recorded our Rotten Roundtable the other night for the horror cast and I was telling Mark that he's got to watch it because, like, I think it's the best Hoopie movie for the year so far. And he watched it and he messaged us.
and said that he liked it. Yeah, it's a 2B original, right? Mm-hmm. I think they're really up in their... game i've been impressed with some of the originals or just some of the content that's going directly to tv so that's that's nice to see um yeah i do want tammy to watch that one i think she'll like it all right i will it is good um What I got off of IMDB, the survival instincts of a road-tripping family are put to the test when they have no other choice but to stay the night.
at a remote homestead. And I kind of liked that they left it at that. They didn't go into too much detail. I kind of figured out early on what was happening. I don't think that it... Changed my opinion or made me like it less at all. The last, oh, I don't even know, 20, 30 minutes, that ending just kind of went off the rails. Yeah. I was excited. I was here for that. I did see something interesting when I was looking it up though. The writer for it is a guy named Al Kaplan.
who is usually a composer for movies, he wrote Crown Cafe from Terrifier 2. And he wrote this movie. Oh, no. Don't get that in my head. I know. It's instantly in my head. Yeah. I think this is the full... The first, like, full-length movie that he's written, so. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I was like, oh, I'll check him out again if he writes anything else. Nice. Yeah, I'm glad that IMDb left the synopsis, like.
A little vague. Yeah, some of them go into way too much detail. Yeah. Even if you figured out, like, what was going to happen, did you figure out that that ending was going to happen the way it did? No. Okay, yeah. That surprised me, so yeah. Double twist. And then I recently watched Lovely Dark and Deep.
That also came out this year. I missed it in theaters. I wanted to see it, but it was such a short run that I didn't get a chance to. It is on Tubi. If you don't want ads, though, you can also rent it on Prime. There... synopsis I did kind of like leave some of it out but a new backcountry ranger travels along through the dangerous wilderness I think just leaving it at that is kind of you don't want to know motivations you don't want to know what's going on just that
people are going missing in these woods and trying to figure out what's going on i just thought it was really unsettling cinematography was beautiful i mean it's just stunning landscapes um it's probably more of a slow burn i can see some people getting bored with it but i kind of like that i've always gone for those kind of movies and then it has um is her name uh georgina campbell yes
who is in Barbarian and is going to be in The Watchers, and I really like her. So I thought she did a great job. Yeah, I like her too. Did you see it? I have seen it, yeah. I definitely want to re-watch it before the end of the year because I did kind of get bored partway through, but I feel like...
I was in like a mood, you know, so I want to rewatch it. I was going to bring up I remember when Mark first talked about watching it. He said he felt like that one Ranger who was played by like the Chinese actress. He felt like she was totally out of place.
but she didn't bother me at all did she bother you guys he said she was the worst actress he'd ever seen and i didn't get that i thought there might have been some like language barrier i don't know something she was also like way older than everyone else but I think to me this movie and I won't give it away for everyone else but it has one scene in it I'll just go like this if you know what I mean that is like the scariest scene for me this whole entire year I can't get it
out of my head it like pops up every once in a while so I mean the imagery besides being beautiful is also very unsettling and I agree I think it's good that they don't say too much because the movie doesn't like hand you an explanation necessarily either
You're kind of, like, freed to kind of decide what you think is happening or happened or is going on. So I really like that. Plus, I'm a fan of all the, like, 411 movies, The Hunted. And the first one, which... is just the missing which is just about all of these people going missing it's 411 the hunted and then 411 the missing which are so good and so unsettling because they're like this story but kind of like the true stories behind it so I have
recommend they're not I mean they're horrifying I don't know that they're actually horror but if you're intrigued by these strange disappearances in our national forest then you know and I think there's like this is the first movie about it that's like
know fictionalized movie that I can think of but I think there's a whole like thing that this is untapped you know because I think it's very subtly there is an inordinate amount of people that go missing with absolutely no trace in our national forest so Definitely. You hear about it all the time. I was reading an article just today about this mother and her, I think it was her sister and her son who kind of went off the grid. And then a season later, they end up finding their dead bodies.
woods and it happens a lot I'm surprised they have not made a movie like this previously oh me too because it's super creepy and You know, even with in the real stories, the thing about it is like if these people that go missing were with someone just like seconds or minutes before and then all of a sudden they're just gone and then they'll find parts of them or whatever.
places that have already been searched and there's like i don't know you guys should just you can watch the 411 movies if you really want more about it but it's just absolutely fascinating and but i don't know i just thought this even if this wasn't like sort of on something that was really going on. I still thought this was an excellent movie and really beautiful, and I wish I could have seen it on the big screen, too, because I think it's one that would look beautiful.
on a big screen so yeah definitely and then not a movie but i just finished them season one finally I've been wanting to watch that, and I'm going to get to season two here shortly. But that, yeah, that still blew me away. Yeah. I was not hearing the greatest things about it or not really hearing much at all. And then season two came out and I feel like that one just blew up. Yeah. And I decided to check that out.
Did you like it? Yeah. Oh, I loved it. I thought it was scary, but not quite what you're expecting. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's the little IMDB is just a black family moves from North Carolina to an all white. Angeles neighborhood. I think it's Compton. Yeah. East Compton. In 1953, where the idyllic home becomes ground zero for malevolent forces. And yeah, you hear that, you think paranormal, and there is some paranormal, but obviously there's real life horror and stuff that was actually happening.
I mean, oh, was it episode four or five? That flashback where they go back to their old house in North Carolina. I had to stop watching for a couple days. I couldn't even like continue. It was one of the most horrific things I've ever seen. Yeah, I was thinking about it. And I think that that might be like the hard.
thing i've ever seen in a tv show ever like i could see that yeah awful awful awful no but like good but yeah well done very well done i thought the actors all did an incredible job yeah but very hard watch yeah and the creator is black so it makes me feel a little better about everything that's shown in the show. It's really hard to watch, but it's also like just such a good show. Yeah, it's definitely very good. And then the last thing I wanted to add was not a movie, but.
horror show, but a book that I just finished reading, which is The Watchers, which they're turning into a movie sometime this summer. It's written by A.M. Shine. So when I first picked up the book, I did pick it up because i heard they were making it into a movie and it was something i saw at a store and i was like oh you know let me i like to read books before i watch movies after doing that um which sometimes i'm disappointed in the movie but i still like to read it first it definitely
was giving me from vibes at the beginning of the book. It actually came out, I think it's the same year or maybe a year previously. It did come out before this first season of the show. But it does start out similar, but it goes in a different direction. So it's not the same thing. It was really good. Cool. I really liked it. I hope they don't mess up the movie or change too much.
Well, I'm excited to hear what you have to say about the movie when it comes out. Yeah, I definitely want to watch it. My daughter is reading the book right now, so we're going to go see the movie when it comes out. Okay, cool. Oh, that's awesome. That's all I have. Love it.
Well, I think, yeah, I'll bring up... them first just because you had just talked about it but I watched season two of them and then I re-watched season one and I think it's such a great show and I think that the second season is actually better like technically I think it's a lot more palatable and comprehensive. Like, I think the story flows better. I think I still prefer the first season just because I'm so connected to and invested in that family in the first season.
But I think that season two is technically better and like... more well-written, you know, like I think it makes more sense and kind of ties things together a little better. But yeah, I just love that show and it is hard to watch, but, and like, honestly, part of me too just feels guilty watching things like that.
as like a white person you know what I mean it's like I should not be able to see into this doorway you know this kind of trauma but at the same time I feel like that's kind of part of the point like yeah you should yeah So I really appreciate that that show exists and like what that creator is going for with the show.
And then other than that, I actually haven't been watching too much lately. I've just been super busy and then like just trying to read before I go to bed. So I finished Jurassic Park, which I feel funny whenever I bring up that I just read Jurassic Park for the first time. time, but...
I loved it. It was awesome. It was fun to, you know, see the differences between the book and the movie. I really liked the book. Yeah. There's a lot of differences though. Yeah. Yeah. I really like it too. And the movie is like a 10 out of 10 for me. I love Jurassic Park, but. That was fun to read, finally. It's been on my to-read list since I was like a child. And then I started reading Left to You by Daniel J. Volpe, who's an extreme horror writer. I won a book.
this book in a giveaway from headlong into monsters. Um, and it came to me signed by the author, which was super nice. And it came with like stickers and bookmarks. I know. oh my god it was really nice when i got it in the mail and i'm so glad that i won it and especially because i've been wanting to get into extreme horror because raguul um over on headlong into monsters that's like his jam and so he's always talking about
all these books that he's read and I'm like, oh, sound disgusting. And I need to read them. So I'm excited to start getting into that subgenre of horror. And just to give everybody a little synopsis, it says, what would you do to save a loved one? Robert's mother, Helen, is ravaged with cancer. So... There is like a very large portion of the book where we're at Auschwitz with Joseph.
And it's, like, pretty intense. But it's very well written. I'm, like, mostly done with the book. And it's still ramping up. I mean, we're no longer in Auschwitz or in that time period. It's like present day, but I'm like very on the edge of my seat, just like waiting to see where it's going to go. But so far, I really like it. So I'm super excited that I won that in the giveaway. And I like never win anything. And that's it for my Fright Bites. What about you, Tammy? Great.
So I just finished a horror book that I just cannot recommend enough. It's called Black Mouth, and I forget the author's name, and it's over there in my bedroom, and I don't want to get up, so you can look it up. But I read this because I heard it compared to... it and I think you know it being a thousand pages kind of like turns a lot of people off if you've if you'd kind of like that same feeling in like 300 pages this is the book for you so I absolutely loved it
And then I just started the new Stephen King book, You Like It Darker, which is his latest grouping of short stories. And I'm like on story three, I think. I've got that on audiobook, so I might need another book to read. Let's see. I went and saw The Strangers. Like I've talked about all this already because we just did the Rotten Roundtable, so I'll go through these kind of quick. Did not like it at all. I said that it like suffered from the, what is, oh my God, I can't think, the Cabin movie.
that they did the remake of. And I can't think of what it is right now, but just that where they like remade it exactly almost like word for word. And, um, cabin fever, cabin fever. Thank you. You didn't see it, Jessica, right? Did you see it? Nicole, the strangers. No, I haven't. Yeah, don't bother.
I went and saw Civil War yesterday just because I was bored. Do either of you see this? No, not yet. I'm just going to mention it's not a horror movie, although it's extremely bloody and gory. I'm just going to throw it out here because I think people don't know what it is. It is not a horror movie. It's a complete...
waste of time it's one of those where it got done and i was like i can't even there's not even enough there to like even call it a movie what a waste of my time i'm just going to throw it out there because i don't hear anybody talking about it it's about a group of i guess so we're at The United States is like...
Split up into factions. There's like the Florida faction, the California faction, and then like the real United States. And they're going to assassinate the president. And this is about a group of press photographers that want to go get the last picture of the press. That's what it's about.
Not what I was expecting. I've heard it's not what you're expecting. Yeah, you're just not expecting it to be so pointless and awful is what you're not expecting. Landon and I went and saw Tarot, and we both really liked it. I said, if you like. Like the, oh, my God, my brain. I cannot think of what is it.
People that like have fate coming after them, the destiny movies, whatever. Thank you. Sorry, I'm tired. If you like that franchise, I think you would like this. It's kind of like that. They get their cards read and, you know, they're each given their.
fate and that's all i'll say about that i watched humane i really really liked that and um either of you see that yet you mean no that's crone and bird's daughter that's that one yeah um i think she's going to be good i think um she kind of goes for the gut punch but she doesn't like go I don't think she's carrying on the Cronenberg name in like body horror or anything like that. But this is more just like about the horror of family dynamics, I would say.
And, you know, the fact that the government has decided to, like, euthanize 20 percent of the population due to overpopulation and, you know, things like the fact that the pandemic happened and stuff like that. You're there like taking people who volunteer. And I'll say one.
They're going to start with people to volunteer before they start, like, just taking people. And so we're at the volunteer stage here, and one of the members of this family volunteers, and it sets turmoil going. So that's all I'll say about that. I went and saw Abigail and I did not love it. And I know some people really, really love it. I think we talked about this on, did you guys, you both saw this, right? Yeah, my whole family went and saw it.
We really liked it. I know. People seem to, like, really like it. And we talked about this on the roundtable. I think revealing so much before it ever came out did the movie a disservice. I wish I could have, like, had a... And I think I would have liked it a lot more. I also thought it was too long. So I think if they had like not put a bloody girl in a, you know, tutu on their poster.
and had not had such an involved trailer and maybe just shaved off about 20 or 30 minutes, I probably would have liked it a lot better. I did like the characters, and I did like them as a group. So I didn't hate it. I just, it was. I don't know. It just wasn't what I thought it was going to be and just not as good as I hoped it was going to be. I watched Something in the Water, which is a shark movie that Mark Nato. You already watched it? Yeah, I watched it.
It's cute. It's fine. But there's not a lot of shark. It's more like the dynamic of the friends. So don't, you know, if you're watching this because you think, oh, I just love shark movies, which me and Jessica both do. You get a little shark here, but really it is just a lot more.
more about the dynamic between these five girls who are going to this wedding. Oh, my God, you guys, I finished Love, Life, Bleeding. Have either of you seen this? No. No, not yet. Oh, the second. I wanted to see it in the theater, but. That was when I had my two-week flu. Well, I didn't even have the flu, and it was only here for like a week, and I didn't realize it was going to be gone so fast. I really meant to see it, and I wish I had. This thing is crazy. Like, I don't even know.
And, you know, I usually hate Kristen Stewart. I loved her in here. This is the first time ever, ever, ever in my life I have ever said that. And I think she's just coming into her own. Like, I mean, she played a straight up like. Butch Dyke in here, and I think she plays that really, really well. And it's... There's like a supernatural thing I didn't see coming and it's total girl power. And you just, you're like, yeah, the whole time. So.
But it's also a really good love story, and I hate love stories, and I loved this one. So I root, root, root, root, root for this. And I, I just think everybody needs to see this, but I do think it might be a girl's movie. And that's not to say that guys won't like it because there's enough, like killing and fighting and.
all that in there to like keep a guy happy but girls really get to feel good about themselves watching this so yeah it was awesome and my last one which has been probably my favorite movie of the year so far is last stop in yuma county either of you see this yet i haven't even heard of it okay well i think it just just came out it did and i i only know about it because of the director being slated to do an evil dead movie if it weren't for that i wouldn't have heard about it either yeah
I just knew about it from like our fried bites talking about it. The fact that he was, he probably only got brought, this probably only got brought up. And I do think it's probably more horror adjacent. I called it Quentin Tarantino light, but it's got that.
Grindhouse feel to it, if you like that kind of thing. And there's so much killing in it that if it's not for horror fans, I'm not quite sure who this is for, because I think it might be a bit much for, like, normies. You know what I mean? So, I mean, it's... It's more like real-life horror, per se. It's not like raw horror, but it is horrifying. And the ending is not happy. I'll say that. That's all I'll say. So it doesn't leave you feeling great or anything.
But I did finish it feeling like, oh, my God, I just watched the most amazing movie. And, you know, it's got such a great cast. So, yeah, I totally recommend that to everyone. And that is it for me. All right. Well, thank you both for sharing your horror related happenings as of late. Now we will get into Echoes from the Abyss, which is our listener comment section. from the abyss abyss abyss
So regarding past episodes, we did have one listener, horror fan Ryan, who's the sweetest, comment on the Killer Clowns episode that I finally released. And he said, listening to some horror through her eyes. Excellent episode as always. Jessica's brother was really great, too. He was. There you go, dynamic assassin. You were really great. And then for tonight's episode, when we're covering from, we heard from Laura.
who was on a past episode that has not yet been released, but will be by the end of this weekend. And she said, I am really enjoying this so far. I like the cast and the concept, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what...
the world is up with the town and what those monsters are so are we laura so are we yes Also, Christine Lind, who's also been a guest on our show, said, knowing that Jack Bender and Jeff Pinkner from one of my favorite but often frustrating TV shows from the early 2000s were involved in From.
My main concern was, are they going to start something they can't finish? Just like how after season two of Lost, they seem to have no real clue how the story would play out. They finally figured it out, and I might be one of the... Few that was okay with the ending of Lost. I may have even cried. But for me, Lost was always about the great characters and their backstories that brought them to their current situation, which was far more interesting to me.
than how it would end up from is an equally mysterious story from the very beginning what is this town why are people trapped here were these people unlucky to stumble upon it or did the town somehow draw specific people to itself and it's So why? What are these things which stalk and brutally kill them when the sun goes down?
I see a bit of inspiration from The Walking Dead as far as people grouping off the hippie house and the town, and then their disagreement on the best way to live within this hellish situation. It does have interesting characters. and isn't afraid to kill them off, also like Lost and The Walking Dead. Some of the characters are infuriating to watch as they make a lot of stupid decisions. Everyone in the Matthews family, I'm looking at you.
I love Boyd, but he can be equally frustrating. What the heck? is with those worm things under his skin. I found myself as confused at the end of season one as to where this was all going as I was watching Lost, but I wanted to know more. So thank you, Christine, for that nice, yeah.
from Ragool, a.k.a. Raul from Headlong Into Monsters and the Sights and Sounds podcast. This is something I've been wanting to see, looking forward to listening. So hopefully he'll see it before he listens. If not, hopefully. we convinced him to watch it um and then samantha who is known as girl 0212211 on tiktok said love this show with uh heart emojis so So far, good things or people being interested in checking it out?
I hope you convince a few more of them, you know. Yes. So that was our echoes. You convinced me to watch this originally. Really? Yeah, you were talking about it on the horror podcast, and I didn't have MTM Plus, and I was like, oh, it looks interesting. but i don't know and you talking about the show convinced me to do like a free trial yeah i got sucked into the first season and then my daughter wanted to watch so i started it over and we watched like season one and two and
Just a few days. And she's watched this since like three more times. She got some of her friends into it. Nice. I did the same thing. I finally got like a free trial thing because Tammy kept talking about it. But I've only seen season one.
so far so now that i had to get another free trial for this i'll i'll try and sneak in season two within the seven days oh good luck with that that's a that's a commitment i think i just think this is one of those shows that people aren't going to try or even know about because I don't think there's much else on MGM Plus to get that channel for so I just don't think I think it'll go
on, you know, appreciated and it's got Harold Parnell in it. So like, you know, you already know it's going to be good. At least I do. But yeah, I just feel like he's the best. And I just feel like, yeah, if I, I'm so glad even if I could just convince three people.
people to watch it because I felt like I okay I'm going to be the advocate for the show because I just don't think anybody will watch it so yeah yeah it's unfortunate that it's not on a different streaming service I feel like a lot of people don't have or don't know about MGM right Yeah, well, I haven't seen season two, but at least it hasn't been canceled yet.
Right? And season three, they're filming. So at least we know we get one more season. Okay, good. And that makes me think that maybe more people did finally, you know, eventually come to at least give it a try. Because they seem to be, they could be pretty. brutal on these um series it seems like so yeah yeah and it did win our poll so maybe it's a little more popular than we realize well that's true hopefully everybody watch good shows yeah to get into the meat of this.
Yes. Before I allow you to get us going on this, I will just remind our listeners that our podcast is a spoiler-filled podcast. So this is your warning. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Everyone in this town has been exactly where you are right now. There are things you need to know about where you are. This is gonna be the worst night of your life. Do you believe in monsters? Alright, Tammy, take it away. Alright.
It's going to be a mouthful. Hold on. Okay, Nicole, as you know, Jessica, as you know, I'm going to just start reading through this as jump off points, but you can interrupt me to speak whenever you want to. I'll pause every once in a while and be like, what do you guys think?
But if you just need, you know, if there's something you're just going to die, if you don't say, just say it because this is a pretty long and involved outline. That being said, let's get going. Actually, sorry. Also, usually you are the one who's good about. this does anybody need to like go to the bathroom or get a drink or grab a snack or anything i'm good okay good i'm also good okay it's also if you guys need that anytime during the outline just say so okay
Here we go. Episode one, long day's journey into night. And also us ladies, just I'm going to add one more thing. Us ladies talked ahead of time. This is full of so many characters and we discuss what would be the correct, you know, do we just like lift them, lift them off at the beginning or just kind of introduce them as they come up? and we decided to just introduce them as they come up. But there's, I don't know.
30 characters or something, especially once you get, I mean, I know we're not doing season two, but the list just keeps growing. So yeah. All right. Episode one, long day's journey into night. We open with a panning shot over the forest at dusk.
and hear a bell ringing. The camera pans down to see Sheriff Boyd is ringing the bell. And that is Harold Paranel. We see people hurrying home. Cut to the cafe where we see Sarah Myers clearing plates from a couple and instructing them it's time to go home.
Sarah locks up the diner. She stops to touch an amulet on the wall. It's an old-time diner with the jukeboxes at the tables. One starts to play We Gotta Get Out of This Place by Eric Burden and the Animals, seemingly by itself. Cut to outside the diner where...
Void is still ringing the bell, and we can see that the town as a whole has an abandoned and disheveled look to it. It also looks frozen in time. On a rewatch, you realize how pertinent the lyrics are. There ain't no use in trying. You'll be dead before your time is due, etc.
Close up on Boyd and we see he wears the sheriff's star on his belt. We see a mom tell her daughter to come inside. She asks for five more minutes. Boyd overhears this and tells her to listen to her mom. It's getting darker. Lots of abandoned cars.
buildings we got to get out of this place if it's the last thing we ever do cut to a Chinese that is the lyrics that are playing while this is going on cut to a Chinese family the dad and son are playing chess while the mom folds laundry Kenny is the son and we see that
he also wears a police uniform. A girl comes in, Christy, and instructs Mr. Lou it's time to go to the basement. He gets upset and topples the game pieces. He apologizes and Kenny and Christy tell him it's okay. She reassures him he can come back in the morning.
He seems to have dementia. Gina takes him to the basement. Gina's the nurse. Christy and Kenny go outside to talk. Deputy Kenny says his goodbyes and heads home. We see the wrecked ambulance outside as Christy locks up. She also touches an ear.
amulet hanging in the window cut to boyd watching some people play volleyball outside a big house kenny says good night to boyd and the people head in the house boyd looks sullen and heads for the post office doubling as the police station there is a sign on the door saying nine
six days without incident. He shuts the door and seems to also touch an amulet hanging by it. Cut to Frank passed out in the bar and the bartender trying to get him up to go home. It's getting dark out, but Frank is passed out. The bartender just locks up and decides to to leave him there. He also touches an amulet by the door. Cut back to the mom and daughter from earlier. The daughter asks if daddy coming home, is daddy coming home?
And I said presumably Frank, but it is Frank. They watch for him, but it's dark now. Okay. They watch for him, but it's dark now. She tells her daughter to go in and say her prayers. She curses Frank under her breath and heads inside and shuts the door.
Megan says her prayers. The mom is shutting all the blinds. Megan hears knocking in a voice that says, Megan, it's grandma. Come to the window. She says she's not supposed to, but the woman assures her it's okay and she won't tell. It'll be their secret. she promises and the woman assures her she does. The mom finishes locking up and touches her amulet. She then heads upstairs toward Megan, who we see opening her shade. Her grandma is outside her second story window and tells her she missed her.
Her mom sees her talking to the woman and tells her it's not her grandma. The woman says she's so lonely, and can she come in? Megan opens the window, and the woman changes into something with lots of teeth. The scene goes black. starts, que sera sera. Does anybody want to say anything? Yes. Christine is a brutal and
The old woman monster thing, when her face transforms, I mean, I didn't try, like, you know, pausing it or anything. But with it being... fast-paced when she's charging at her it looks good um so that was nice that it didn't bother me or take me out um what did you think of the look of it nicole i was just saying how i love the look of it as well that it kind of
And it took me by surprise how quickly they jump into showing that. And it looked good. Totally. Yeah, it's a nice way to kind of set the tone for, like, we're not fucking around with this show. Oh, absolutely. Especially when they show like the consequences of the scene. Yes. And even this little girl, Megan, reading her or saying her prayers before. I never liked those prayers.
You know, the now I lay me down to sleep. And I always thought those were kind of creepy. I feel like they're meant to be. comforting and sweet and it's not and it just it kind of lets you know what's gonna that something's gonna happen yeah if I should die before I wake it's like well yeah yeah and like
I guess I get that the monsters like trick you, you know, and they know your name and stuff. But I'm sure they had to have talked to Megan about like not letting those things in that house. Right. Because I know later we're going to see Frank gets all the blame or whatever, but. Which I think is kind of unfair. It's like, why was that all on him? Yeah, I mean, even if he had been there, the mom was right there and she couldn't stop it from happening.
I would say they did, Jessica, because the grandma has to say to her, I promise I won't tell, which lets the daughter know she'd get in trouble for doing this. So she must have been talked to about it. Plus, what's creepy is you got to remember, like, Megan's on. The second floor. So this is like Salem's lot. Like this thing is just outside of her. Loading. Yeah. Her window being sketchy and scary as hell. And then I think that these things, they don't change their human appearance.
Right. Because I think Megan even said like, you don't look like my grandma. So I don't think they like take on the form of your grandma or something. You know what I mean? But they like know your name so they can say your name and then try and trick you. Is that accurate? inaccurate. I thought they took on the because later on we see it happen with Julie with that guy. I wondered about that.
And we can maybe talk about that when we get to there. But I wondered because, yeah, this one does not look like her grandma. And if she could, why wouldn't she change to look like her? Yeah. OK, so she did say that, right? Like, you don't look like my grandma. Yeah, she did.
I didn't, I must have not caught that. I thought that that was her, like, straight up her grandma floating out there. Yeah, that's why I kind of had a problem with, like, them just blaming Frank or whatever. Like, wait, it didn't look like your grandma. But, you know, Frank is problematic. But I mean.
Even I've seen both seasons and I'm not sure I know what these things are. So we can talk about it more. But like we don't ever see them like floating other than here. I don't think unless maybe it happens at Colony House. I'm not sure. But like they just I wonder if sometimes they just have abilities that are just like what convenient for whatever the situation is, because one thing that I find even creepier about them once we see them more later, they seem to be like.
like, period dressed. Some of them look like they're from, like, the 40s and 50s and stuff like that. So I'm like, oh, are they just whoever they died as? But I'm not, they're whoever they died as, but they can also, like, shift.
chain or shape shift I don't know I don't know and I don't know that we ever get in answered but maybe I mean they it's mentioned a couple times that they'll like say say your name or say you know make it think like they're someone that you know but then maybe when you lift the blinds up it doesn't look like them maybe they can just like sound like them
I don't know. But it is mentioned several times that they do that to get you to open the window. They try to be something that you recognize or someone that you recognize. So, yeah, I don't know. I have to pay more attention when I'm rewatching the season. So far, I've only rewatched the first three episodes. And this is definitely a show you pick up on stuff. Like, I don't think I caught the grandma thing until rewatching it. So I did always wonder.
about the dress like you see a guy later like in that milkman uniform yeah worn out for decades and it does make you think like were they once people who turned into this or if not where yeah where are they getting these clothes why are they I think there was a lady in a wedding dress at one point yeah there is
Okay, so spoiler alert. Seems like we won't know that by the end of season two because you've both seen season two, right? Right. Nope. We get little answers and then I think more questions. Okay, great. I think season two... Brings like a whole new set of questions that like is even worse. I feel like Servant was like that. So hopefully it follows, you know, in the trend of like doing that, but then also wrapping everything up by the end.
We have got to cover Servant. Sorry, not to get off on an aside, but I'm dying to talk about that with somebody. Did you see it, Nicole? Did you watch Servant? We haven't finished it, but yeah, we're watching it. Nice. Yeah, that show's awesome. Yeah, well, you should probably cover it at some point. Yeah. Because we like it so much.
All right, you ready to move on? Okay, cut to a camper van taking a turnoff. It's daytime now. The Matthews family is in the camper. They are surrounded by dense forests. The sister is doing a finger puppet show for the little brother that upsets him. tells them there's no such thing as monsters. Oh, Tabitha, you're about to find out. Fuck around and find out here in just a minute.
Cut back to Frank leaving the bar. It's in an old gas station. As he approaches his house, he sees a crowd gathered outside. As he asks what's going on, Boyd throws open the door and calls him a motherfucker and slaps him across the face. He says, you got kids. You nailed the window shut. You nailed the motherfucking window shut. Slaps him again and drags him inside to see the carnage. Frank protests, but Boyd's not having it. A man protects his family.
a man protects his family. Look what you did and forces him into his daughter's room where her ripped apart body lies atop the bed. And I put here, they are not afraid to go there with kids, which I think this is, they're letting you know that right away too. Look at what you fucking did, Frank. He keeps making him look, but he tries protesting and saying no, but Boyd pulls a gun on him, forcing him to look, but he just keeps saying, I can't. Kenny is there, and Boyd tells him to lock him up.
Boyd leaves and runs into the priest coming up the stairs and tells him they're all yours, father. Boyd looks down and sees their amulet on the floor. He picks it up and puts it in his pocket. Back to the Matthews family and the camper. The parents are... Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry. We should probably...
We'll probably just talk about that scene a little. We kind of mentioned it, but it's pretty brutal. We see their bodies just like completely massacred. It's eviterated. It's like they're like it's like the shell of their body, but they've just been completely. opened up and things strewn all over the place. Yeah. And you get like a full shot of this daughter like that, this kid like that.
The mom, too, but it's the daughter. They linger on the daughter. Yes. Yeah. What did you guys think of Boyd, like, forcing Frank to look at his family? Well, we find out later that this is... Well, this is the first time they're going to send someone to the box. I am jumping. So I feel like this is the first time they're able they're going to blame it on somebody for being careless. So I think that it's it's everything that and, you know, we learn as this goes on.
how like OCD everybody is about the rules because they have to be, because I think that gives them what may be a false sense of like that they're in control of the situation if they just keep put these amulets up and, you know, keep.
their blinds drawn and do everything that they're supposed to do um but this isn't the first death but it seems like it we find out later it's not the first obviously but i think it's the first one that where the town is like well this is directly or they're going to say it's directly Frank's fault even though like we said I'm not sure how true that is he obviously
He played a part, but like I said, the mom was right there. And she was, I mean, she was literally feet away from her daughter and couldn't stop it from happening. Yeah, she kind of nailed the window shut. Right. Why does drunk Frank have to do it? What was that? And like, why wasn't it our...
be done obviously it's a rule so i don't maybe they had just moved into that house i have no idea but um because we find out later that as people come they just get put in one of the empty houses so i don't know but and when we have flashbacks we see that they didn't always used to do this and they didn't always have all the safeguards yeah those little talismans and maybe this is the first death since they've been implementing that because i don't really know the timeline they don't
I don't feel like they really tell you like how long ago that was. No, and the only... I mean, we do learn, we don't know how long, I'm jumping ahead, and we don't know how long, but we do know, like, when Donna got there, they didn't have these safeguards. And we also find out later that Victor has been there since a child, since being a child.
And he's lasted a very long time, but he really I mean, he seems to be on the spectrum or something. And he really has little like, you know, things that he does very religiously, I think, to keep that over and above what everyone else does to keep them. So I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's maybe I think Boyd a little bit is he does seem to have a very knee jerk reaction to Frank with the punching and the yelling at him. But I think there might be a little bit of.
It's also an internal struggle of Boyd's own because I think he feels the slightest, like he might be losing a little bit of control. These people didn't, you know, Frank didn't follow his rules, I think is the real problem here. That's what he's really.
mad about you know i think deep down i think that ultimately the punishment is for not following boyd's rules not necessarily for well they're going to say because he didn't do that that's why the daughter got killed but yeah i think for you asked about like you know his reaction to Frank. I think it's just pure anger. I think a lot of it is guilt, too. Being the sheriff, he feels responsible for the whole town.
again jumping ahead a little bit but when he starts going off you know a man protects his family and things that you see that have happened to him and his family yeah yeah i feel like he he doesn't think that he protected his family in a time when they needed him and true that and he's possibly taking out some of his anger and his guilt out on frank right yeah you're right and i'm sure too because we see soon that he's like not wanting to move forward with his own rule of having no
put frank in this box um so i'm sure that he's like really pissed off just that he has to do that even you know what i mean made up this rule like expecting to never have to enforce it So I'm sure that that was also part of his like knee jerk reaction to like just taking his anger out on Frank. Yeah, that's yeah. I think you're absolutely right with that, too, because he does say I built this box as a deterrent.
And I think right away he knows that, well, yeah, now I'm going to have to follow through with this. And it obviously is a real, we'll see here in a little bit what a struggle that is for him and what he ultimately ends up doing. But, yeah. I think it just, but I mean, I think Boyd has just been kind of, we don't, we learned this over time. We don't know this yet, but I think he's been really tight wound with like the fact, you know, what he's got going on with Ellis, his own son and being.
Yeah. You know, everyone looking at him to be in charge. And that's got to be a lot for, you know, he's really honestly deep down no more in charge than anyone else. Yes, he wears the star, but I think everybody knows like they know that if they were in charge, they wouldn't be.
Right. They'd all left. So it's kind of a it's a kind of hopeless situation for Boyd to be in. And I think he's just doing his best and knows that he's going to need everybody's cooperation. But, you know, you have a whole ton of people. There's always going to be. You know, that isn't going to follow the rules. Yeah.
By probability, you know. And once we get to meet Frank a little, he's not a bad guy. He's just probably had some addictive tendencies, and that's how he dealt with that kind of trauma before his family. I'm just saying. think like um he became a drinker or maybe he was a drinker but it seems to become very problematic because his family is trapped in this town that they can't leave you know which who knows how that would affect you you know it can't be great now everybody deals with
trauma in different ways and imagine having a child there i mean it'd be one thing if you were just there like say you were like jade later or something and it's just you and you're not responsible for anyone but oh my god if i had to worry about myself When my kids were still little and I was having to worry about them too, I would lose my crap because obviously they don't have my anxiety meds there, I think. So it has to be very hard, I would say. Yes.
All right, anything else? No, you may continue. Back to the Matthews family and the camper. The parents are discussing and there is obvious tension between them. The husband, Jim, says he remembers when it wasn't like this. And the wife tells him not to do that and cuts the conversation off. So we learn later what this is about.
out but we don't know now and I'm not going to say. Suddenly the husband says shit and then there's an entire tree across the road blocking their way. They get out to inspect this but it's too huge to move. They decide to head back to an exit they saw a mile back. Point of view of a
crow harbinger that comes to watch them more crows join and are circling them they get spooked and leave the matthews not the crows the crows are fine back to the town uh the people in the big house are outside gardening boyd comes over to talk to Donna, who we find out is in charge of this house. She tells him they have an arrangement and he doesn't come here. He says, I came to see my son, Donna, please. And she lets him in. It looks like a hippie commune. Cut to Ellis drawing Fatima in the...
Attic. Boyd comes in. Fatima greets him with a hug. She tells him she will give him a minute with Ellis. There's obvious attention between Ellis and Boyd. And Ellis is Boyd's son, so I don't know if we know that. Yeah, we do, because, yeah, we do. He tells him. He tells them about Lauren and Megan Pratt and asks him to come to the service. Ellis tells them he's too busy, and Boyd says he will show himself out. Back to the Matthews in the van. The kids' electronics have stopped working.
They notice they can't find that exit they saw and should have seen it by now. Instead, they pull up in the abandoned town. Sarah watches them pull in, cut to the funeral for the press, and everyone watches the camper pull up. Jim goes to check out the funeral. Boyd reminds us.
everyone to remember what it was like he hushfully reminds everyone to remember what it was like for them and not to freak the new people out he and Kenny will handle it the funeral ends and they head for the Matthews Jim tries asking people for directions as they leave the funeral but no one will talk to him. Boyd says, can I help you? And Jim apologizes for interrupting the funeral but they took a detour off the highway and are lost.
Can he tell them how to get back? And Boyd says, yeah, you just keep going the way you were going and you will see. The Matthews get back in their camper like what the fuck and head off down the road. Everyone watches them leave. The kids fight in the van and the parents chastise them.
They come around a corner and are right back in the town. The daughter says this is getting creepy. They see Sarah walking and ask her for directions, but she just turns and walks away. They decide to try finding it again. Sarah gets home and her brother comments that the new people are just driving around.
And Sarah says, yeah, that's the worst part. That's cruel. Her brother goes to feed the animals and Sarah heads inside. Back to the camper where the Matthews are trying to figure out what the heck is they are driving. They argue. They pull back up to the same town and are incredulous.
turns the camper around and tries going back the way they came. As they pass Kenny, asks Boyd, do you think they're ready? And Boyd says, get the strip. The Matthews are still arguing and almost run into a car coming in the opposite direction. They swerve to miss it and flip their camper.
Julie says she's okay, the mom is out cold, and Ethan has a stick impaled through his leg. A branch has come through the front window and pinned Jim in. A guy gets out of the other car and falls into the road throwing up blood. Back to Boyd and Kenny laying down the tire.
Tire popper strips. I didn't know what they're called. Do those have like a name? Do you guys know? It's those things that they like. I don't know. They're like police officers. Yeah. I don't know what they are. Well, they're a tire popper strip. The bloody guy comes up to them saying.
need help there's been an accident they realize it's not the guy from the van boyd tells kenny to take the bloody guy to the clinic get supplies and then meet them back at the accident site back to the matthews tabby tabby is still passed out and julie yells that ethan has something in his Like, cut the...
Kenny bringing bloody guy Toby to Christy at the clinic. She calls for Gina to help. Gina is the nurse that we met earlier. Christy and Kenny gather supplies. Another guy gets out of the backseat of the car, Jade. Boyd asks if he's okay, but he's dazed or drunk.
Boyd handcuffs him to the car. Boyd sees the camper in the ditch and heads down. He calls to them and they say they need help. Boyd says help is on the way. Boyd climbs into such a situation. He starts helping them to get out. Cut to Ellis laying flowers at the new...
grave. The father pulls up and tells him there's been an accident and they could use his help. Father reminds him it'll be dark soon and they need to get going. Ellis goes reluctantly. It's very foggy. Back to the clinic. Gina is giving Toby an IV. She then takes Sister Lou
downstairs as usual the help arrives kenny ellis christy and father christy assesses jade first boyd helps julie away from the camper he tells her to stay there he's going back for the others kenny comes to help boyd christy tries to help jade but he's high as a kite. Ellis gets down to help Boyd and Kenny. Jade asks, where's Toby? Is Kenny...
But Kenny comes back up and tells Christy she's needed in the camper and it looks bad. Father stays to watch Jade and give him water. Back to Sarah at the clinic bringing water to Toby. She gives him water and reassures him. Alice and Kenny bring Tabby to Julie. She seems okay.
Tabby collapses and stays with Julie. Now, Tabby is the mom, and Tabby and Julie are the mom and the daughter from the family that's in the camper, if I didn't say that before. Telling Boyd that Ethan has a table leg through his thigh, but he hasn't severed an artery. Boyd starts...
stressing out about the fact that it's getting dark and they don't have much time. But Christy says freeing Ethan isn't something she can rush and it will take at least an hour. Kenny says they have 40 minutes. Boyd takes the amulet out of his pocket and asks Christy if she can stitch the kid up in the RV instead of trying to get him to the clinic. They decide to try it, hoping the amulet will work. Ethan is in Jim's lap, but they lay him flat. Christy sends Jim to be with his family while...
She does the operation to free Ethan's leg. He goes reluctantly. Outside, Tabby is trying to get Boyd to let her go to be with Ethan, but Jim arrives and tells her everything is fine. Boyd tells him they have to leave. They can't stay at the camper.
Boyd tells him the woods aren't safe after dark and that he doesn't have time to explain and that he doesn't want to bury any more kids. Anybody want to say anything? Yes. Back and forth, you know, between all the different characters and just like Ram. ramping up the tension is so good and masterfully done. And I feel like Boyd's character is doing like...
I don't think that someone could do a better job at trying to explain that we're in a dire situation. Like there's obviously a lot more that needs to be explained and we just don't have time to do it. And I just need you to like, trust me that like there's something. unsafe out there. It's like...
He knows that the more he explains, the less likely it is that they'll believe him or think that he's crazy and be like less willing to go along with whatever is happening. And he's still so like calm and level. And like being reassuring to Christy, who's also doing a pretty good job at being level headed, you know, until she like freaks out minorly later on from a nightmare and stuff.
But, yeah, I think it's a great, like, jumping off point for us to really get to know who Boyd is and see why he's been kind of appointed as, like, the leader of the town. You can see why people trust him and they look to him. Like, what do we do? Exactly. He's very like, OK, we have very little time. You need to go and do this. We need to get these people over here. We this group of people needs to stay here and get the amulet up, you know. So, I mean, I trust. like right away.
i'm on board tell me what to do i think you're so right though what you said about he doesn't over explain because now would not be the time because he does need to split this family up and i think you're right it does say a lot that a family would split up
They just because, again, we're talking how we would feel, you know, if it was our kids, be very hard to leave them behind with people you don't know. But him just saying, look, the woods aren't safe. People would buy that because monsters are no monsters. They could say, look.
We've got bears or whatever, you know, like he doesn't go into this. Look, yeah, there's these monsters that are going to come and they're going to look like people. But, you know, I think he was very smart the way that he handled that because people can just be. Oh, OK. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I mean, for all day.
know there could be a like a weird family that lives in the woods you know and and whatever but um he doesn't bring up any of like the stuff at this point and yeah he's able to um be a good sheriff and get everybody where they need to be. Yeah, and I'm sure, too, that he feels bad, you know, because we see that he let the family, like, keep driving because he knows that they're not going to believe him until they experience that for themselves of, like, And, you know, this little boy having.
the stick stuck through his leg, which is so, that's like harder for me to watch than what happened to Megan. Oh, I know, I know, I know. Oh, poor little kid. And he's so cute. So I'm sure he felt bad about that. But then, of course, this other car that's involved, too. They've also just gotten trapped in this town out of nowhere. And it seems like it's the first.
time that's happened where it's been like two parties like coming at the same time um so victor mentions that later he asked julie what she thinks of it he said it hasn't happened in a very long time yeah but he's been there i think longer than most so it happened
Maybe one time. I mean, I think I'll talk about it. I put it in my notes and I'm sure we'll come across it. But I think at this point, I think it's Kenny that says this has never happened. One of them says this has never happened before. But then I did catch that later when Victor says this happened, hasn't happened.
for a really long time. So I think, yeah, Victor's been there longer by quite a bit, it seems like, than anybody else. And I really, I would be like Sarah where, because I tend to be like a really empathetic person. And when she said this, this is crazy.
cruel and she knows she has to go along with it but it would be so hard to watch that family keep driving by when you know what's you know you know what's in store for them it would be really hard to watch I think so yeah and just like seeing them drive by and slow down and look at you again you know and you're like
people why won't they help me yeah and boy just saying just go up that hill and you'll see like you have to see it for yourself before you're ready to listen but it it has to be hard still yeah i know that is kind of up when everybody's ignoring him when he's trying to approach them wow everyone's very standoffish i'm a snell or something that's going on here or you're just like did i just end up in am i in the twilight zone like
Am I really here? What the heck is happening? I think you'd be like, am I having a dream that I need to wake up from? Because you're just going along with the most normal day. Your kids are fighting, blah, blah, blah. And all of a sudden, nothing makes sense. Nothing. You're surrounding. Nothing makes sense. And you just be like.
what is happening yeah totally so back to sarah and toby in the clinic she's staring at him toby asks where he is and if everyone is okay and sarah says she doesn't think so uh toby starts to freak out but sarah hushes him with a kiss this is another part where things start to really go off the rails right here she tells him this isn't your fault then proceeds to stab him in the neck killing him i remember the first time i saw this i was just like what You know, what just happened? That's it.
Back to Ellis and Boyd, who tells Ellis that if the asshole cuffed to the car gives him any trouble, cut him loose and thanks him for coming to help. Ellis tells Boyd if it's suicide to stay behind, Ellis leaves. The Matthews are discussing staying in the... woods with ethan she says we'll get thomas and jim says tabby it's ethan tabby starts to cry and we'll find out later who thomas is tabby says she didn't want doesn't want to trust these people and that something weird is going on
And this is like really the first time anyone says something weird is going on. So and ask, what does he mean by these woods are not safe? Kenny comes up and says, we got to go right now. And they follow him. Jim goes back down with Christy, who asks for.
lantern or something because it's getting dark and Jim finds some. Boyd is standing outside the camper with an amulet. He goes back in. Boyd starts covering up the windows and hangs the amulet. Jim asks him what he's doing and he says he's trying to keep them safe.
Jim is like, what the fuck? But Christy just keeps working on Ethan. Kenny and Ellis, Jade, Julie and Tabitha are in the truck racing back to town. When Pop, they run over the spike strip that they forgot to take back up and it's almost dark. Decide to try to make it to Colony House instead, hoping they will be let in. Kenny instructs the new people they are going to make a run for it. Do not stop, no matter what they see or hear, no matter what. Back to the RV, and Jim is questioning Boyd.
about what does he mean safe safe from what boyd starts to explain but ethan wakes up ethan goes into a seizure howls come from outside boyd looks out and sees people coming from the woods right outside the rb they're coming he says People in all eras of dress approach and encircle the RV while Boyd watches. We open on Ethan still seizing. Oh, okay. Yeah, we open on Ethan still seizing.
No, sorry. This is Chapter 2. Episode 2. Does anybody want to say anything else about Episode 1? I did have a question, and I don't know if you guys can answer or if you know. But with those spike strips, there's only one street in that town. So when they went to go pick up Ellis in the truck, were they already on the other side of the spike strip? Because why wouldn't they have hit them leaving town, but they hit them coming back?
in because it they couldn't get all the way into town to get you know they had to stop at colony house because they hit the spike so i was i was just confusing i was like did they mess up or did i miss something yeah maybe they just grew forward because they knew was going to end up over there anyway instead of driving back. Do the strips only work from one direction? Are they like this or are they like this? I don't know. Can you like go over them?
I feel like with strips, it would have to work both ways. I don't think it's like those ones that are like inserted into the ground. Now I can't, I don't know. I didn't make that connection, but that's a really good question. I didn't think about it until the second time I watched it.
Like, were they just... way past it but the strips couldn't have been that far into town because they had stopped at colony house and they couldn't get to wherever they were going in town yeah i don't know i didn't i didn't you're right though now that you say that yeah but i i would need to watch again to see where they originate
from um you know were they maybe already out watching because they knew these people were to be going to be coming back or i don't know honestly good question i have no idea it may just be a mess up i don't know Yeah, maybe. Now I'm all looking up spike strips.
Huh. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they can only be one way or not. But yeah, I mean, if they would have to like drive back towards the car, they could just like drive forward and end up there anyways, right? Maybe. Or if they're driving in a circle. They just kept going the same way. Right. That's what I meant. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Either way, they should have removed the spikes. I guess they were in a hurry and we can't hold it against them, but I kind of do anyway.
Yes, I agree. Well, they wouldn't have ended up where they did. True. Needed to move the plot forward, I guess. Yeah. Something else I wanted to say that's kind of in relation to what I already said about Boyd. And how he's like slowly releasing information without giving them too much at once. Is like in most movies or shows where they do that. It's just annoying. And you know that they're just trying to build tension. But it actually makes sense in this.
case because you're trying not to completely blow this person's mind and you're trying to save them and keep them safe you know so um that's something i really appreciated about the way that they did it is like actually, this is one of the only times where that makes sense and it's not just a plot device, you know? I completely agree. And I know you haven't seen season two and we're not talking about season two, but that kind of comes into play where they tell people...
too quickly and something bad happens because of it and they don't believe them so there it does make sense it is that he's doing it the way he's doing it yeah I think he might have um kind of assessed the Matthews family too and picked out the one person that might have been most receptive to the, like, you know, Tabitha was passed out the mom, the daughter was...
She's at that age, right? I've got one of them. I don't know, maybe she looks like she's maybe 16-ish, where they think they're old, but then as soon as they need their parents, they revert right back to being 10. Oh, yeah. So I think he just, like, but he also, like, he kind of, it was forced a little bit because when they all decided to stay back in the RV.
You know, he asked her, can you do this operation here so we don't have to try to get him? And they knew they were there for the night. They weren't going to be leaving. So it's like, well, these things are going to be coming. So I got to tell this guy.
But one thing that I will say about this whole series, they are, and thank goodness, they do not do big exposition dumps here and a lot of explaining. I feel like, especially in season one, we find out these things. It's almost like we... are the matthews family like we are finding these things out at the same pace that they're finding them out which is a really cool thing for your first watch i think but it's also like what the heck is going on yeah answer is just
as bad as the Matthews do but I really once it's over you know and you've watched the season I think you really appreciate the fact that they never do that and like I think Nicole and I could both say we've bought you know we've watched season two and it's like servant
where we still at least I feel like I don't know what the heck is going on I'm no closer I've learned more things like about the characters and the creatures but nothing that answers any questions in fact it just gets worse like as far as questions go Yeah, it makes you keep on watching it because you want to try to figure it out. And I hope that, was it Christine who was bringing up Lost? Yeah.
Yeah, I agree with her. Like, and I loved that show and I did love the ending, but I hope they know what they're doing with this series. And they're not just throwing things out there, not knowing how it's going to end or they don't know the answers themselves. Hopefully they have it more planned out. so it does make sense and is more cohesive.
Because if they don't, I feel like it could get really messy and bad. I think that's what happened to The Walking Dead. I really feel that way. I don't think they ever expected that show to do what it did. And then I don't think they ever had. I know there's.
books and graphic novels and stuff but they kind of lost me I think at season 6 or whatever the Negan and the Bat whatever that season was maybe 5 is when they lost me because it just felt like they were just making stuff up as they went along and I can say at least in my opinion, after season two, I don't feel like they're just making stuff up as they go along. Or if they are, yeah, if they are, they're doing a really good job of hiding it. Right. All right. Episode two, the way things are.
now and that's kind of like a little I think a little reference to what Jim said earlier when he said I remember things weren't like this and then I also think that's like a little reference to our lives are completely different now you know All right. We open on Ethan still seizing and the camper surrounded. They hear a knock. Jim thinks it's help, but Boyd knows better.
Ian and Boyd fight, and Boyd tries to explain, they aren't people. They keep knocking. We cut to everyone else trying to make it in the dark to Colony House. Jade passes out, and Ellis goes back to help, while Kenny keeps trying to get the others to Colony House.
house it looks really idyllic music is playing people are chilling a lady announces we got runners on the hill and rings an alarm bell people start to gather weapons fatima screams ellis is out there but an armed man says we won't open the door they beat What do you guys want to call these things? The monsters? What should we say? The creature people?
I think monsters is fine because it seems like that's what, you know, everybody in the town refers to them as. Yeah, that's true. All right. I wasn't sure. Like, you know, when you're typing, I'm like, I don't know what to call them. Right. Okay. look like people.
The MPs. All right. Donna finally says to let them in, but people refuse, saying she said to never open the door after dark. Donna says, are you really going to let those people die? Someone approaches Julie, who she recognizes, and she doesn't understand.
that this is what the creatures do. Kenny shoots him, but he just smiles and they are finally let in. Donna yells for the new people to be tied up. Ellis and father try to explain, but they are also, but they are tied up. So Donna does, so Donna's saying,
They do have a protocol. Tabitha and Julie are tied up. Jade is still passed out. Back in the camper, Jim asks Boyd, if they aren't people, then what are they? Boyd says, well, we don't know. He explains the talismans, what I've been calling the amulets, are.
are what protect them. He says he doesn't know why it works, but that if you have one and keep the doors and windows shut, they can't get in. Jim says this is impossible, and Boyd says, yeah, it is. They get back to focusing on getting the table leg out of Ethan's leg. Christy gives him a sedative. Back to Colony House. Alice is tying Jade to a bed. One of the girls asks where he's from, and he explains there was an accident with the RV.
I should just say, like, Colony House is full of people. There's, like, maybe 100 people there. I don't know. I'm guessing. But it seems to be where a good majority, we'll learn later, like, either the townspeople live at Colony House or they live in a, they choose to live. live in town so this colony house and we said it was like a hippie commune it's what it is it seems like a bunch of free-spirited free love kind of people that all just
Live by, like, the basic safety rules, but that's about it. Okay, so there's lots of characters, but we don't necessarily maybe learn all of their names or anything. There can't be like a hundred people in that house. I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't, I don't know. Cause you don't even ever get a sense of how many people are really even in this town. Do you think there's just a hundred people in town altogether? Hmm.
I don't know. I don't feel like it's that many, but you're right. I don't actually know. Okay, let's say 50. I don't know. We'll say 50. All right. They comment that two cars have never arrived at the same time before. So this is the first time we hear that like we were talking about before. Donna comes in to talk to Tabitha. She wants Julie and Donna explains she's fine and unties her.
She tries to go for Julie, but it's stopped. Donna tries to explain what is happening in the town the best she can. She tells her she understands she's afraid, but no one wants to hurt her, and everyone in this town has been exactly where she is right now, and that they need her. And she starts it by saying, do you believe in monsters?
Captain Julie, who meets Victor for the first time. She is tied up in the kitchen, and he comes in with his ever-present lunchbox. And I said autism maybe. What do you guys think? I actually have that as a note, too, that I think he's autistic. Okay.
croft is as creepy but the more you get to know him i was like i think he's autistic and the fact that he's been here since a child and growing up with that trauma it's probably a combination of stuff right yeah i think it and i i know one of the traits of autism is like they
They don't have great social skills or social norms. And I think that's why he just comes in like, and Julie's tied up there and obviously terrified, but he's like, hey, how you doing? I'm just getting my peaches. And he can't quite, he doesn't understand how terrified. Julie is he like Fatima kind of has to tell him you know like move on you're scaring her and I don't think he under he didn't mean to scare her it's just he doesn't understand that dynamic I don't think yeah I agree
He says he wants some peaches. She looks terrified. Frank offers to share the contraband with Julie. Julie doesn't answer. Victor tries to tell her that two cars at the same time is special and asks what she thinks it means. Just then, Fatima comes in and asks what he's doing, and to leave Julie alone, he's scaring her. Fatima explains that he's creepy but harmless, and he's just been here a really long time. Fatima tells Julie she's going to be her proxy, which is a fantasy.
Fancy way of saying I'm here to keep you company. Fatima says she will untie her if she doesn't act crazy. There's something she wants to show her, and Julie agrees. She takes her up to Ellis' art studio. Fatima says she thinks Ellis would love to draw Julie because she's beautiful.
She explains about keeping the windows covered so that things out there don't try to trick you. Back to the camper. Okay, that line right there we talked about before, you know, seeing versus just hearing. You wouldn't have to cover the windows if they couldn't. wouldn't visually look, you know what I mean? Because if they just, well, I don't know. I mean, like you would think that would be to keep you from seeing them. But if you're not going to recognize them, why cover the windows?
I thought it was just because they kind of have like mind powers a little bit. It seems like they have like influential mind powers or something. And they're always saying like, you know, don't listen to them. They get inside your head and things like that. So I thought it was just like that that makes it you just need to like totally ignore them or otherwise they can get inside your head easier. I don't know.
That might be right, because like when Julie sees the one that she seems to know out on the porch when they're trying to be let in, she does seem to be mesmerized by it. Not just it's not just like it's a little bit of, hey, I think I recognize you. But then she. also kind of seems to like be under its power or something for a second before they snap her out of it.
So, yeah, you could be right. Yeah, I was curious about that, too, because he does say, don't you recognize me, Julie? Oh, yeah. She just stops and looks at him. I'm like, does he look like somebody she knows? Is he actually somebody? Or is she just... surprised because he knows her name or is he maybe having some powers of persuasion i don't yeah i was i was like what what exactly is going on here
And I think that any of that could be right, because you kind of see almost all of those emotions flash across her face. And I don't know that it's ever really totally. I don't know that we ever know, to be honest. You know, maybe part of the trance thing is.
her it looks like somebody she knows even though physically it doesn't you know maybe it can sound like it make you think it is a certain person I mean obviously it's getting in her mind because it could pick someone out that she might know and know how to do the voice and stuff so yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, why did he...
If it wasn't somebody that she'd look like, why specifically go after her? Right. There's probably a reason for that. It was that whole group. Yeah, right. It could be, too, that they know that, like, she's new and that they'll be able to... influencer more easily than like people who got used to, you know, fighting against that.
Yeah, that's true. Okay. Back to the camper and Ethan is passed out again. More knocking. A voice says, you really should let us help you. And it sounds like they're trying to break in. Jim asked Boyd what happens if they get in twice. He asked Boyd.
Why don't you use your gun? And Boyd says, because it won't do any good. You've got to trust me, to which Jim answers, I don't know you. They can hear many voices outside, some laughing. Jim gets up and says, there's got to be something we can do. And Boyd says, we just.
got to wait it out. And that's the only way that they can get in there is if we let them in. And I put the Empire's Questioner. Christy says, starts getting rattled, but Boyd calms her down. They are walking on the camper and laughing. That would be very... very unsettling it's the the laughing is so inappropriate you know um i find it scarier than if they were like yelling or threatening or because it's almost like it's a game to them they're enjoying yeah
tormenting these people yep totally and it gets brought up later that they they do like to do that so they like to like play with their food sort of thing Boyd tells Christy to just focus on Ethan and what they have to do. Back to Colony House. Kenny and Father are arguing about having to tie the people up. Kenny is mad, saying that they must be scared out of their minds. But Father reminds him that Colony House has their own.
way of doing things and kenny says yeah fucked up way ellis comes in and says he made up the guest room for kenny and father and i'm just i'm just saying father he's a father like a priest like a catholic priest father that's why i'm just giving him a name i forget what his real name is...
Father or Kenny says that you're not going to tie us up first, you know, being sarcastic. Father says, thank you, Ellis. They ask about Jade and Ellis says whatever he took, he's still out. Ellis apologizes for Donna, but they did go against their own.
protocol and open the door and let them in so could Kenny just chill. And he says eventually. Ellis reminds Kenny that if they hadn't forgotten to pick up the spike strip, they wouldn't be here, which pisses Kenny off. But Father calms him down and suggests they go up to bed.
Ellis gives them some liquor in case they need to take the edge off and leaves. Father tells Kenny to sit. Back at the clinic where the nurse is playing chess with Mr. Lou. He wins. He explains that he didn't need to know English to pay. play chess when he first came to America, and that it has a universal language. He says Kenny's real name is Fuhin, but he wanted to be American with an American name. Mr. Liu suddenly gets agitated, yelling he wants his son and crying. The nurse explains...
He's home sleeping and will be back tomorrow. She tries to calm him down, remind him where he is, and she leads him up to bed. Back to the camper where they are ready to pull the leg from Ethan, the table leg from Ethan's leg, not pull Ethan's leg off.
She says to Boyd and Jim to hold him because it's going to hurt a lot. She pulls it out and Ethan screams. She gets it out. They tell him he did great and start stitching him up. Back to the other clinic room where we see Toby's blood pooled on the floor. floor and Sarah cowering in the corner and she says, I don't want to. I can't. I can't do anymore to no one.
Are you sure? Okay. Then goes to Toby and says, I'm so sorry, and takes the screwdriver out of his neck or whatever. Maybe it was a scalpel. I'm not sure. How? Then goes to a, or she says, how? Then goes to a drawer and finds a scalpel.
All of it, she says. She opens Toby's mouth, but it cuts away before we see what she does. Back to Kenny and father in Colony House talking at the table. Kenny is worried about his mom worrying. They are drinking the liquor. They talk about... his dad and chess and how good Christy is with his dad father assures Kenny that everyone is going to be okay and that they will get them in the morning Kenny says he's not going after what happened to Lauren and Megan he can't find any more bodies
say i think the father's name is father uh katri i'm not sure how often they say it out loud but the way it's spelled i think it's katri okay um i found i mean this is just on reddit but this was something that somebody wrote about the monster's abilities. Can I read it really quick?
She said, let's get the record straight on shape-shifting. We've seen that the monsters can shape-shift from their monster form to looking like regular humans. We've also seen that they can manipulate their victims by talking to them and getting in their heads. including by using their names, but we haven't seen any monsters shape-shifting in order to look like specific humans in order to trick their victims. That's because they can't, or if they can, they aren't doing it yet.
There are two scenes in the first episode that confuse people on the monster's abilities. A monster that looks like an old woman tries to convince Megan that she is her grandmother, and a monster that looks like a young man tries to convince Julie that she knows him. Neither of these monsters are actually visually familiar to their intended victims. Megan says to the monster that she doesn't look like her grandmother, and I think we can trust her on that.
Julie is confused by the monster knowing her name and stops to look at him, but she doesn't actually recognize him, or she would have mentioned that. It's not feasible that the writers have simply forgotten to address Julie seeing someone she recognized or... that the writers have simply forgotten to have the monsters use this ability further, despite how useful it would be. Imagine a scene where Boyd bangs on the door of Colony House to be let in and the residents have to decide if he's free.
or if he's just a monster that looks like Boyd. Oh, I didn't think of that. If that was possible, it would have been incredibly foolish for Christy to have let Fatima and Elgin into the clinic. Who's Elgin? Did we talk about this person? Am I? I don't know. Sorry. With the rules of from Ville being what they are, she recognized all three of them and let them in because she had no reason to doubt.
The monsters can't or don't shapeshift to look like people familiar to their victims. They do have more knowledge than they should, which helps them to manipulate people, but their visual appearance is static between two forms. So I don't know how true that is, but this is from Rosa Bonhoor on Reddit. I mean, I can't I have nothing to argue what she says, you know, like I forgot they are shape shifting because they really look very horrific because we don't get that side of them too much.
You know, we get that one, the grandma and then we really don't see it again. So I have nothing to argue. I mean. I think I'm so starved for the information that I will, I'll take what she says because I, yeah, I have no other explanation. Yeah, I feel like that makes sense. Yeah, I do too, actually. I'll go with that. Okay, cool. Sorry if I threw up. fine also mr lou is adorable and i love the whole thing about chess and like not needing to know english and
The bond that him and his son have. That almost would be like we talked before about how hard it would be to have a kid there. Imagine a parent that has Alzheimer's because it's almost the same kind of thing where you just have to watch them. constantly you know yeah he could be forgetting every day how dangerous i don't know how advanced his alzheimer's is but it seems pretty advanced and you know he could literally forget every day how dangerous it is to be there and why he has
to be at this clinic and why he can't be with his family. Yeah. I don't think he does understand. I don't think he knows what is going on. I don't either. No. Ellis comes in the studio and sees Julie sitting there. He asks her about Fatima, who is in the bathroom.
apologizes about having to tie them up. Julie says she likes his drawings. Cut to Tabitha and Donna. Tabitha tells her she's fucking crazy. Donna says she wishes that were true. She tells Tabitha, you know what you saw. Just think about it. It's all true. Tabitha says she isn't sure what she saw. She's in denial. Donna offers her a drink and tells Tabitha about her sister and the trip they were on when they saw the tree and explains that's the start of it for everyone.
tree um and then i put here like i wonder if the tree is like a sim like the tunnel from um cabin in the woods you know i don't know I just threw it out there. And then the crows and that all the same things happened to her and her sister, the circle, the tree, the crows, all of it. It was night and one of the things stood in front of their car blocking it and just smiling. I didn't, I...
Left some of this out. But so the sister, they stop the car. The sister gets out to confront it. Donna stays in the car. And then it ripped the sister's face off right in front of her and skinned her. Donna said she ran when she saw another one coming and hid.
That's how people used to survive here. Hide and pray. They made it till morning. She realized she could still hear her sister screaming because they weren't just killing her. They were torturing her. Those things out there like to hunt and they like to play. So they were making.
at last. She just left her there. She tells Tabitha she's lucky because the sun was still up when they got there and people came to help. Donna says it's been three years, six months, and 17 days and she can still hear her sister screaming in her head. sucks. Oh, that's such a terrible story. God. I know. And Donna and her sister both sound like such badasses, you know? Yeah, they were on a hunting trip.
They're not girly girls. No, they're like these two middle-aged women. But like we talked about how Boyd seems to be like the perfect personality to be the sheriff. I think Donna's a really good personality to be. in charge of Colony House and all the people in there. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And then the other thing about that story is just you find out that people used to have to just like run and hide in the woods every night. Oh, my.
Like nothing to put back in. Literally hope they can't be found. And it does seem the way it's almost like these monsters have like homing beacons. They seem to like know where the people are. So you literally just had to like pray that it.
wasn't your turn to go you know because it doesn't seem before they find the talismans it doesn't seem like any maybe they still did have to be let in i don't i'm not sure but it doesn't seem like there was anything to just straight up stop them from coming inside So, I mean, because we see later when the talisman falls, one of them is able to break a window. So I don't know.
I don't know. Yeah, they probably didn't even try hiding in the houses and stuff at that point. You know what I mean? Yeah, because that's more of like, that would be like a, hey, come look here for people. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's true. So it must have been really rough.
You would have to sleep all day and stay awake all night, you know, because you could fall asleep or you're a goner. All right. Back to the camper. Christy is setting up an IV. She explains they need to improvise. Christy explains she was a third-year medical student to jail.
because Jim asked her, like, are you a doctor or what? And then she asked Jim, what did you do? And he said he was an engineer who built theme park attractions. Ethan wakes up and starts talking about the Lake of Tears and so many drawings on the wall. And the camera we see, it's Victor's room, and that's where all these drawings are. So Ethan's, like, having some visions, it seems like. Yeah, him and Victor definitely seem connected in some way, which we see more of even in, I think, this.
episode or the next episode um but i kind of like whatever that weird tie is between them i do especially because like to be honest i get that victor can be kind of like creepy, I guess, especially if you're tied to a chair, but the way that Julie reacts to him, like, pisses me off. I agree. Like, you're really rude. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess we can say she's a 16-year-old girl acting like one. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's scared, and she's in this very weird situation.
There's a cute scene coming up between Victor and Ethan, which Ethan gets out of bed way too early, I thought, but that's neither here nor there. But he goes out and meets Ethan, and I think Victor's well aware that I shouldn't be talking.
talking to the kids because the parents aren't going to like it because everyone thinks I'm weird. Ethan just takes him in stride like, you know, you don't scare me at all and I want to be friends with you and what are you doing? That's why I love children more than grown-ups. All right. Kenny and father drunkenly head up to bed and Kenny is talking about how hard it is to have a father with dementia and how he left. And he tells a story about how his dad had left and took the bus to the city.
And so they had to go get him. And on the way home, that's when they saw the tree. And then Kenny passes out. So I like that we're slowly getting these. I think these backstories are also fascinating. Like you want to know more about these people and we get them slowly over time. And it's one of my favorite parts about the whole series. So Sarah is in the shower washing off blood. So she's back at her house where she lives with her brother.
Her brother knocks and says he's going to start dinner. She opens the door and says, I didn't have a choice, and hugs him crying. Will you please help me? He sees her clothes covered in blood. Sorry, this thing just jumps on me sometimes. The nurse is tucking in Mr. Lou.
and tells him to get some rest and she's going to go check on Toby. He asks her not to go that this place is scary at night. He falls asleep and she leaves. She goes into Toby's room and sees his dead body, dead bloody body. She drops the train. And as she leaves the room, she sees the door to the outside is open and two creatures are standing there smiling. She runs. They come in. She runs down and barricades herself in with Mr. Lou. Back to the camper. Jim takes down the tail.
So how does this thing work? Christy freaks and tells him to put it back. One busts through the ceiling. Christy wakes up. It was just a dream. Boyd calms her down. The sun is coming up and it's morning and they're all okay. Boyd goes out to check. It's all clear. Julie, Tabitha, Father, and Kenny arrive, and they see them climbing out of the van, out of the camper. All four are safe. Back to Sarah and her brother in her room talking. She tells them about the girl in the room full of broken...
glass story she tells her brother she hears their voices and it's just like the broken glass they told me it had to look like it was one of the monsters i didn't want to but they said it was the only way to save us the only way to go home her brother tries to find out what She says, I left the door open. Everyone arrives back to the clinic and sees the door open. Kenny runs in and sees the talisman on the floor. He goes down to find his dad and sees carnage. The nurses on the floor ripped apart.
Let me go in first. But Kenny goes into his dad's room. The door is also open. He sees his dad ripped apart completely. Cut to Kenny outside chopping down a tree. Boyd comes up and asks what he's doing out here. He says he's cutting down wood for a new...
chess set that he and his dad are making together that's ruined now because the blood soaked into the wood pieces. Kenny says to Boyd, you notice these things never run the only walk because they know there's only so many places we can go and I think we're running out of spaces. on the board, Sheriff. Boyd heads back to the post office police station and changes the nights without incident sign from 96. What about the mom and daughter? He must have just maybe forgot.
Because it hasn't been 96 days since Megan and her mom were killed. So maybe he just forgot to change it after that. But anyway, he changes it back to, you know, nothing, zero. Yeah, he hasn't been there since, like, their funeral. You know, because like all that stuff happened right now. Yeah, that's true. You're right. You're right.
He goes inside and puts the bloody chess piece on his desk and sits in his chair and looks defeated. He gets a boat key out of his desk that says to Boyd, spelled B-U-O-Y, like boy, like a boat, love always. Cut to Julie doing a puppet. show for Ethan in She asks Ethan what he's looking out at the window, and he says nothing. Camera does POV of Ethan, and we see a little boy dressed all in white that Julie can't see, standing there smiling. He makes the shh sound.
to ethan and the episode ends damn well what do you guys think of sarah so far like did you think that she was just totally unhinged due to trauma or do you think that like there's something to what she's experienced like based in reality somehow at this point it's kind of hard to know is the voices you're hearing like something to do with these creatures these monsters or has she kind of lost her mind i mean i kind of thought that it it almost doesn't make sense what she did
So she opens the door and lets the monsters come in and they kill Gina and Mr. Liu. So why wouldn't she just leave Toby there? Why did she have to kill him to make it look like the monsters did it when they would have killed him anyway? So if they are talking to her, they're manipulating her for some reason. Why are they doing that? Yeah, that's a good point. That is a very good point. I know. And she seems so like kind and like, you know, like.
Wanting to help and not do terrible things to people. You know what I mean? Like, it seems more traumatic for her than it would for maybe someone else, even. Besides, I thought she was totally nutso. I mean, maybe they are manipulating her to see if they can. Yeah. Because I feel like some people, even if they hear the voices or their things are weird, things are happening or they think they can go home. They're like, no, I couldn't hurt somebody. I can never do anything like that. matter what.
Are they just trying to see just another way of like tormenting somebody? Because obviously she seems to feel so guilty. Yeah. And it's like, why if it's the monsters, why would she be hearing them in the daytime? which makes me feel like it's more in her head. Yeah. Ooh. All good. All excellent points.
Or is there something else other than the monsters, too? Right, who's the actual, like, puppet master of whatever this Frumsville is. Well, yeah, because it hasn't started yet, and I think especially more in Season 2. They start wondering, like, where's the electricity coming from? And, you know, like, where are certain things? And they do say in a little bit here, we don't know where the chickens and the cows come from. Oh, yeah.
There's yet another, like, yeah, puppet master. I mean, that's a great way to put it. But just how I feel about it, she irritated the heck out of me from the jump. And I don't know why. I think I just don't like her face. I thought in her interactions with her brother that either he was aware that she was hearing these voices because right away he's like, you know, what did you do? Kind of like. And it didn't.
He didn't, and I don't know just because if it's her sister, but he just didn't seem really, or his sister, he didn't seem super surprised about the whole thing. And his reaction to it's kind of like, you know, you just got to lay low and stay away from, you know, don't go to work and lay low for a while. He's not just like, oh, my God, you. I mean, if he was like not somewhat immune.
to her he would be like I'm not living with you anymore because what if you leave the door open on me you know what I mean and he just seems kind of nonchalant so I don't know if this has been maybe she's been hearing maybe she's schizophrenic you know we don't really know at this point He's kind of aware of that. Maybe he doesn't even believe that she killed someone at first. He's used to her hearing voices. But, you know, we...
I think there is something to what I didn't think of it before, but what you guys said about do they like, is there a manipulation like person specific? Do they do things just because we. I can't do the worms in Boyd's arm. Is that in season one? I can't remember the things under his skin. Is that in season one? I feel like I can't remember that. So I feel like it's not.
I think it's season two. Okay. Well, sorry. He gets worms under his skin, folks. Sorry. But I think that was something very specific to something that, you know, they were manipulating him in a certain way. these manipulations are person specific but why why play and a good point that she is hearing them during the day so maybe it's not the monsters necessarily that she's hearing so
And in the worm scene later, I won't say much about it, but I do think that we get a little more confirmation that there might be a puppet master. So, yeah, I'm not sure. But I don't know. She just irritates me. I wonder if he had some kind of. history before this, like maybe schizophrenia or mental illness or something that her brother is aware of, but maybe that's why they're able to manipulate her and get her to hear them and other people can't.
Yeah, get her to hear them without alarming too many people. Like Bird Box, whatever that movie was called. I mean, like, again, I think it was Christine who mentioned in her comment about the show that maybe it's not random. I don't think it is. I think they are targeting specific people for a reason. especially because of a certain character that comes in season two, that is linked for 100% sure to somebody that's already.
Oh, snap. I mean, that would have to be pretty. What are the chances if it's not? You know, that'd be pretty crazy. But but also what a perfect way to manipulate that person who was. already there that that knows the person that comes like it's the most like important person in their life so another form of manipulation you know yeah all right guys want to move on to three i'm actually proud of us we're only at two and a half hours
We're not doing too bad. No, we're doing a good job at being efficient. Yeah. All right. Episode three, choosing day. So we open on a couple having sex at County House, just right out in the open in front of. everyone. Camera pans to see people sleeping all over. Tabitha is having a dream where she relives the creatures coming up on the porch while they break to be let in. She wakes with a start. Jim tries to comfort her. We hear Jade yelling.
Jade is so irritating, but he's also pretty freaking hilarious. We hear Jade yelling for Toby to get him out of this fucking thing. Toby, where are you? Donna runs in and tells him to shut the fuck up. People are trying to sleep. Jade says, who the fuck are you? Jade. who has been out since the car crash has no idea where he is or what is going on and demands to be let out of these fucking straps right now. So I don't know.
Did you guys get a sense like maybe Jade was an actor or somebody famous or something? Yeah, totally. He's like so entitled. Yes, extremely entitled. Maybe it's not an actor, still just somebody. That's like somehow semi-famous or recognizable. Yes. Oh, here. Around the like. Do you know who I am a lot? Yeah, I see that in my notes. It's the next thing he says. I forgot about that. Jade says, don't you have any idea who.
I am this is so funny Donna's like oh shit you're one of those and he goes you know what And Donna says, okay, let's start at the beginning. So poor Donna seems like the one who gets stuck with the spiel, like when the new people come all the time. That's got to get tiring, you know. Boyd wakes up alone in his bed. He looks outside at what is the body.
We learn later. He gets dressed and heads out. And the box, I would kind of describe it as looks almost like a horse trailer that kind of been built on a little bit. So, yeah, I like that shape. Yeah, like just imagine an old rusty horse trailer that looks like it might have been like reinforced with a little bit of wood or something like that. He stops to look at Frank in lockup, who is just lying there staring at the ceiling. He goes in.
and asks him if he's hungry or needs anything. Frank doesn't answer. Boyd tells him that it's important to understand that what happens tonight isn't personal. Frank says he knows. Boyd goes to leave and Frank says, Lauren always liked you. She said you were hard on people.
because you had to be, and made the hard decisions because no one else could, and that he was the one who was going to get everybody home. Frank says he wasn't always like this, you know, to which Boyd answers, none of us were. I thought that was a pretty poignant line. He tells Frank if there's anything he needs or anyone he wants to see to tie up any loose ends, and Frank says there is one thing he would like.
to do cut to die sorry i was just gonna say it's kind of nice having these scenes between them because then you really do see that boyd was like when he was taking his anger out on frank that it was just him like really pissed off at like how terrible the situation is but not him just like you know Basically saying like Frank is just a terrible person or like he totally understands that their situation is rough and he's like trying to sympathize with him and like.
give him the time he needs to do whatever he needs and stuff like that. So I like all the scenes where they interact and we kind of get to see another side of Frank, you know, instead of just him being like a drunk. terrible dad. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like, I think we have, as opposed to that heated moment earlier, right now we have the real Boyd and the real Frank. Boyd is no longer heated and out of control with anger, and Frank is no longer falling down drunk.
So it's just two men who now have to face this situation, this terrible situation that they both find themselves in that neither one wants to be in, obviously. Okay, cut to Donna and Ellis in the kitchen with Jade, who says, so you're telling me right now I'm in a town I can't leave, and that every night when the sun goes down, monsters come from the forest and hunt us. Hunt us? Monsters who incidentally killed my...
friend Toby the other night and Donna says yeah so does Ellis. Jade says fuck off and laughs. He thinks Toby is playing a trick on him and hired these people as actors. He keeps laughing. Donna and Ellis just roll their eyes. Jade says he's going to play along with the joke. and go out and check out the town, try to solve the puzzle. So he's convinced that, like, Toby set him up in, like, a live escape room or something. This is just a giant joke.
Everybody is so patient with him. Yeah, they really are. And I think he is hilarious for, like, the first five or ten minutes, but by the end of the episode, I'm like, I want to punch this guy in the face. Like, everybody's met this guy. in their life or worked with this guy you know oh my god okay and he says fucking toby this must have cost a fortune ella offers to donna to keep an eye on ellis offers to donna to keep an eye on him but donna says no
I'll let him wander around for a while. Oh, I put Toby. Jay heads out and takes a bike from a girl and heads off. Ethan cuts. Ethan in bed, smiling out the window when Tabitha comes in. He asks if he can go outside today. And I put he just had. a table leg removed from his leg like a few hours ago. And Tabitha says, no, you have to stay in bed. He says he's tired of staying in bed and like literally must have been in bed for like what?
Four or five hours. Both kids are complaining and want to know how long they're going to be here. Julia and Tabitha leave. The boy is still outside the window waving. Cut to Kenny and his mom in the diner. He's telling her she doesn't have to be there.
the day after what happened, and go get rest. She says she has too much to do. She runs the diner. She breaks a glass and cuts herself. Kenny cleans it up. Mom tried saying that if I had been there, I could have done something, and Kenny reassures her. that she couldn't.
Sarah arrives at the diner for her shift and sees Kenny and his mom crying. She knows that she left the door open and the dad got killed. She hesitates going in, but puts a smile on and goes in. She finishes cleaning up the broken glass. Cut to Victor outside.
with his lunchbox. He starts counting off steps and heads into the woods. Fatima gets back to Colony House and sees Julie sitting on the porch. She picked blueberries and offers her some. She tries to make Julie feel better. Jim arrives back with their stuff from the camper. He gives Ethan his
shark pajamas, and books. Donna comes in and says, Father Khatri is here to talk to you about the choosing ceremony. They ask what that is, and she says she will let the father tell them. He says all newcomers have to decide where they are going to stay, either colony house or in town.
He will show them around and show them the house they would have in town. Julie wants to come, but they tell her to stay with Ethan. She leaves pissed. Abe pulls up to the diner on his stolen bike. He sees people waiting in a line for food and starts laughing. He starts joking.
with the people and everyone just stares at him he's like is this where i find my next clue everyone ignores him he cuts in line for food saying so because you all work for me anyways and i was like what a douche and uh mrs lu yells at him in chinese
He laughs and goes to the back of the line. Sarah is waiting tables and runs out to talk to her brother, who asks why she is at the diner. You promised you'd stay home. She says, if I didn't show up, they'd wonder why, that she needs to help. She tells him to go back.
to the barn father country is showing them the house and telling them the precautions to take like the talisman and nailing the windows shut especially with a child in the house jim asks why and father country says because at night these things will try to convince you to let
them in and children tend to be more susceptible. He says that people here have to learn to adapt because it's their new reality now. Tabitha sees the box and asks what it is. Father Khatri explains it's a box and that it's the only form of punishment they have here.
that when someone's actions lead to a death, the only punishment is a knight in the box. Jim asks if they put a talisman in there, and he says no. Tabith asks how many times have you used it, and Father Cotry says tonight will be the first. They continue on to the house.
Jim says it looks like someone already lives here, and Father Khatri explains there was an incident the night before they arrived, the first in months. Tabitha asks what kind of incident, and Father Khatri says the kind that happens when people are careless. They head upstairs and see Megan's bloodstream.
splattered room and I put did no one clean this up first he tells them what happened with Megan and Lauren and the father was cast out drunk at the other end of town this is what happens when you break the rules Tabitha runs out Jim's runs after her and explains they don't have a choice
She asked, why are you so eager to take any of this at face value? And he says, because I can hear those things. I could still hear those things whispering outside the RV and tapping. Whatever this is, is real. And we are stuck. So we need to figure out how to make. the best of it so we don't end up like this family I think they did that on purpose I was kind of mad the first time I watched and like the blood all over the walls and everything at least they don't they take out the bodies but
They want to shock them. They want to like show them that this is your reality. Now you need to start taking this seriously. Like there's no time of adjustment. You just you have to get it now. I think also they I think they literally haven't had time. to clean it up Because this has all been like bam, bam, bam. There's like more dead bodies again from the night before. Again, it seems like they try to lay people to rest like immediately, you know, obviously before night comes again. So I think.
they also just haven't had time to actually clean it up well that's probably too in here you know you have not only do you have a family that just got there, but you have a family, a new family with two kids. So yeah, what more effect like that? They can talk to their blue in the face, but that scene is what's going to ultimately be, you know, what's going to convince somebody that everything that's.
they're seeing is real yeah i did think i was like is that the only house that they have yeah like what would they have done if they if they didn't die like the night before like where would they yeah they wanted to live there so well then you're right yeah you're right then that makes me think it is a choice to have them go to that house that's still all bloody like
To get their point across. Yeah, you're right. Okay. Back to Boyd in the Woods with Frank at Megan's favorite spot, a swing. So remember he said, there is one thing I would like to do. Boyd took him so that he could spend a little time at the swing that he set up for his daughter. Frank asks if he can be buried next to them, and Boyd says, yeah, of course. Frank says, okay, and asks for a few minutes alone. Boyd says, take whatever time you need and walk.
Back at Colony House, Ellis had some crutches for Ethan out of branches. Julie asked Fatima, why are you helping us? And Fatima says, it's just what we do. Back at the diner, Jade tells Kenny it's like the ultimate escape room. I don't know.
how you pull this off. And Kenny's just like sitting there, like, you know, not even saying anything. Jay had asked if he was going to look, if he has to go looking for clues in the buildings. Kenny just rolls his eyes. Kenny asked him, has anyone talked to you yet? Because I think he kind of figured it out.
out he says yeah don at the big house gave him the whole intro monsters in the forest toby's dead blah blah blah but no hints about what he's supposed to do next come from and kenny said yeah the chickens and cows we don't really know where they come from jade says he should get going he asked kenny if he's supposed to get anything from him like a clue kenny is just like what the fuck and jade leaves christy comes in and sits down with kenny and
asks, who's that? Kenny explains he's the guy from the other car and asks if she's eaten. She says she's fine. She's just come to check on the Lou family and they hold hands. So this is our first hint that Kenny and Christy are a couple. Back to Victor counting off steps. Ethan asks him what he's doing. Victor tells him to go away, but he just keeps asking questions. Victor tells him to go away, but Ethan asks, have you seen the boy who lives out here? That gets frank.
attention or frank victor that gets victor's attention victor asks what he means ethan says he's outside never comes inside he says they're friends victor decides to let him stay he says he's checking to see if the trees have moved julie comes out and sees Ethan talking to Victor and tells him to get inside. Victor says, if you see that friend of yours, tell him Victor says hello. Julie tells Ethan not to talk to him. Julie says he's creepy, but Ethan says no he's not. Back to Jade on the bike.
comes across a storm cellar door in a field and thinks it's a clue. He heads down and sees the door. He opens it and sees a dead soldier who then proceeds to jump scare the hell out of us by screaming, this got me so bad the first time. ever watch that me too yeah
Jade falls over and sees a symbol on the ceiling of the crawl space. The soldier is gone. Jade leaves and yells, Toby, you're a fucking genius and laughs. Gets back on the bike and leaves laughing. That part is so frustrating because it's like you saw. that and then the body just completely disappeared and you still think that you're in some sort of escape room like plus no like dude that by whoever would have set this up had no idea that he was going to steal a bike and come to that exact
spot in a field like unless he's just so much in denial he's just so self-absorbed but i think at this point i'd be like hmm maybe you know maybe what they're telling me is true like that always drive me nuts that are just they keep getting like proof of things happening like things that you can't explain away. And he just keeps denying it. And I think it's funny how Kenny says like once or twice, he makes a comment about denial is a big branch in his family tree, which I love.
I love that line. And I was like, I feel like jade is like that he is just like denying and denying and i was like why can't he see what's in front of his face is that how he's dealing with this or just his personality it's frustrating though all those things i think you know i felt about this deputy in Killer Clowns who thinks the whole town is joking when they're all calling in about the clowns.
seriously dude like how stuck in your own world are you yeah yeah yeah like you matter that much i was just gonna say that's how self-absorbed people are you know like Everything is about me. Exactly. Okay. So Father Khatri comes in the church and sees Boyd sitting there. He comments, that's a sight I don't see very often. And Boyd says, yeah, well, don't get used to it. God's not answering. He says, I can't do it. Frank, the box. I can't.
do it he built the box as a deterrent that was supposed to scare people father cotter says all right but if you absolve frank what happens next time you warned him on several occasions very publicly how are you going to act if you let frank go the rules will lose
Wait, Boyd says, aren't you supposed to be talking to me about mercy? I don't want to put a broken man in a fucking box to be torn apart when sun goes down. Frank says he knows it's not an easy decision or Father Khatri. Sorry, I know I keep calling everyone Frank. Father Khatri.
says he knows it's not an easy decision but you built a guillotine in the town square and what if people realize you lack the conviction to use it boyd tells him he's a terrible fucking priest and leaves i love that scene too like just seeing how they're relationship works and i think the father is like a really good you know like wingman um to boyd like to keep him in line and then just boyd being like now i'm cursing in the house of the lord
Yeah. What the fuck? It's almost like he should have been the deputy, but I think the town also needs a father, you know, for the people that need that in their life, you know, church or religion or whatever. Okay, so Boyd heads back to the... Or whatever. Yeah, or whatever.
You know how I feel about that. He heads back to the police station and the box. He opens it and steps inside, this being Boyd. He opens it and steps inside. He sits in it. He goes in the station. He gives Frank a talisman. He tells him there's a little shack in the woods.
take the talisman and make whatever life he can for himself out there Frank picks up the talisman and says what are you going to tell everybody but Boyd just leaves so here we see that Boyd has decided to go back on it anyway he's not going to make frank go in the box yeah well would you be able to live with yourself if you put somebody in that box knowing what's going to happen and how horrific it is right and i mean like yeah it's
Terrible that you didn't nail the window shut and your family died. But at the same time, it's like. I don't know how to appraise this because obviously that's terrible, but it's also not like he actively did something terrible. You know, it was more so that he didn't do something that he should have. And he's already dealing with the fact that his wife and daughter were brutally murdered.
So, yeah, it's kind of hard to punish that person more. Plus, we just found out from the conversation you had with Father Cotri, it's no longer about what Frank did. It's about what Boyd's going to do. So now it's come down to, well, if I put him in there, it's just...
so that I look better to the town and I keep my control over the town. It's not even that. Well, it is some, you know, you do want the people to be afraid that they would end up in there. But deep down, he knows that he's already said he doesn't want to do it. And Father Cottage is like, well.
This is about keeping your control over the town. So even in Boyd's mind, it's not about punishing Frank anymore. So I think it's even harder for him to do something he didn't want to do in the first place. It's what he has to show the rest of the people. But at the same time, it's like... if they're not scared of the monsters now, like...
how much is the box going to scare them? Like if they're not going to stay in line anyway. Oh, that's true. I don't, yeah, I don't understand why the box would punish, that punishment would make it that much worse. But you think it would just be terrified. and do everything they could. Unless, over time, they've come to have this fault, you know, because...
I don't know. I don't think everybody's had to go through that period where they had to just hide and hope not to get found. Maybe they've kind of gotten a little comfortable and that what the box is all the box isn't a guaranteed death. I mean, you don't. It's probably 99% guaranteed, but it's not 100% guaranteed. If this is the first time they're using it, the monsters don't know. They've been seeing that box there. They don't know for sure someone's in there.
they can you know sense it but i think maybe by putting them in there you're taking away their the security of being in a room with no windows because it is open on the side you know open slots on the sides and there's no talisman there so maybe just trying to
to have them be afraid again because maybe they've gotten a little complacent you know maybe even for the ones that have been there and nobody has died while they're there and they yeah and yeah like you said they haven't had to hide without the talisman so maybe maybe
people aren't taking it seriously as they need to especially ones that don't have kids who like can really stay in control of their situation you know because ultimately this was a little girl that you know the mom probably wouldn't have i don't know i'd maybe i don't know how and how much they can
get in your head but you know ultimately this is a child that let the creature in so yeah you could maybe if you were lived alone or you didn't have any kids maybe you've kind of gotten comfortable i don't know yeah all right so
Cut to Father Khatri presiding over the choosing ceremony. The people of the town and colony house are there. The choice is final. Boyd interrupts them. He says, since we are all gathered here, he might as well address the elephant in the room about Frank and the box and the rule.
There's a fine line between savagery and consequence. Frank comes up and interrupts him. He has to tell him and said he would like to speak. He talks about Christmas and that he was a good dad. He wasn't like this. He tells everyone. to let this happen to them he's going to the box so frank has ultimately decided to put himself in the box
And here, at the most inappropriate time, Jade starts laughing at Frank, thinking this is part of the joke. Boyd grabs Jade and tells him to pick the flower or the rock. is living in town or living at Colony House. Jade says he's going to sue him, but Boyd tells him to pick one. Jade yells, I'm going to ruin all of you. Kenny says, Jade, let me show you something. Jade goes with Kenny.
One of the women tells Frank not to make these decisions while he's hurting. Frank assures them he's the most clear-minded he's been in a long time. Boyd tells the Matthews to choose and they choose town, but Julie says Colony House. Tabitha argues. Right? Boyd asked Julie if she wants to live in Colony House, and she says yes.
Tabitha yells at her. Tabitha tries to say that she will go to Colony House, too. Donna says it's over. Decision made. Boyd tells her to shut the fuck up. Boyd tells them not to argue and promises that Alice will look after Julie. the graves to try to convince him that this is really happening but jade still refuses to believe but then he can smell the bodies and you like see this realization come over him and then he's like this isn't funny anymore he yells it's not funny anymore
out loud. He then realizes it's real and breaks down crying and then he realizes that it's Toby's body in the hole that Kenny took him to. Back to the police station. Boyd is leading Frank to the box. A crowd gathers. Boyd opens He opens the box for Frank and he goes in. He says, get these people home, Sheriff, and Boyd promises him he will. Boyd locks him in. Everyone heads home. It's getting dark. Mrs. Lou is locking up the cafe. The jukebox comes on when she leaves and a hymn plays.
Matthews are moving into their new house for their first night. Jim walks up. He hangs the talisman by the door. Mrs. Lou is praying and crying at a shrine for her husband. Kenny brings Jade home with him. He introduces Jade to his mother. mom and says he will be there for a few days and she says okay. Tabitha is tucking Ethan in his bed. He wants them to sleep with him. She says they will. He asks about Julie and they assure him he can see her anytime he wants and they read him his book.
They're toasting to Julie, their newest family member. Donna hugs her and tells her they're glad she's there. Boyd in the police station. Frank. So the camera is panning to all these different things. Boyd in the police station. Frank in the box looking scared, watching for the.
creatures out the holes in the side he sees them start together around the box boyd wants to look outside but he keeps stopping himself and then he finally does frank could hear them all whispering outside he starts whimpering and rocking they bust through the sides of the box the talisman doesn't work. And that is the end of episode three.
Oh, did he still have the talisman when he was in the box? Yeah. Oh. I didn't catch that either. Did he hang it or are you just holding on to it? I thought he was holding on to it. I think you have to hang it. And I don't know why. Oh, okay. I know I always think that's weird too, but it seems like people always touch it to make sure. Yeah, and it's on the floor in the scenes where things have gone awry. Yeah. So, yeah. Quite an ending.
Also, I didn't talk about it earlier, but the scene when Kenny finds his dad is so sad. Especially because we... you know, I was talking about how we seem to be finding things out as other people are finding them out as the audience. And it's like, you just feel like you don't, you don't want him to go in there. Cause we're going to go in there with them, you know, and we know what we're going to find. And it's like, if you had.
for people who haven't seen this yet, when we're talking about these bodies, like they're literally, they're eviscerated, like they're completely, they look like a bomb has gone off inside of them is kind of like what they look like. And it's just like, their guts are everywhere.
They're just in pieces, so, you know. Yeah, they're ripped apart, their whole torso, but their face is intact. Yes. Like, you can still see who it is. Which I'm sure is intentional. Yeah. Evil monsters. His was the worst, I think. Yeah. I don't know. Or Mr. Lou. He's probably so confused. That's just it. That's what's so painful about his is, you know, for him, it would be such a, he has.
no idea what's happening to him you know and he may have even forgotten there was creatures out there for all we know so yeah yeah summer good show though good show so far three episodes in excellent show All right, who's reading trivia? I guess we know how we all feel. I can do trivia since I put it in here.
I just put a couple things in here. The town set was built specifically for the series in North Beaver Bank, Nova Scotia. I always wondered. I'm like, where did they find such a cool abandoned town to film this? But that makes sense. Yeah. The site, known as the Beaver Bank Villa, has a long history and many years ago contained housing units, a community hall, fire station, school, church, convenience store, etc., which were all demolished by 2004.
nearby military radar base which operated in the 1950s and 1960s. The paved streets and driveways were all that remained and the fake town was built on top of them. So that's cool. That is so cool. Yeah. And then the only other thing I got is just like a little snippet from an interview for a pop culture principal in which they had asked.
the creators, some fans are comparing From to Lost. Do you see that comparison as somewhat of a double-edged sword? And I kind of included this because of Christine's comment. Jeff Pinkner said that Lost is a show that both myself and and Jack Bender were incredibly proud to be a part of, but we were not in charge. Any viewers who are coming to the show because they were fans of Lost is fantastic. Any way we can get people in the room, that is great.
It is now our job to keep them there and tell them a story that they are interested in. Lost provided many lessons and things that were done right and things that could have been done differently, if not necessarily better. One of the lessons for me was pacing. answers and having those answers lead to more questions. It wasn't necessarily about whether or not you have the answer or if the answer is feedback to characters or plot and mythology. Having a very purposeful deployment of those
answers and making sure that those answers lead to new questions and making sure that the show is well aware of the questions that the audience is asking and acknowledging them. Being incredibly mindful of the viewing experience is something that we
have brought to the table as we tell the story. And it's something that we are constantly reminding ourselves of. So that mindset and point of view is something that Lost was really fertile training ground for. So that leads me to believe that they probably... have their backstory for everything figured out um and if not they're at least being very mindful of like
how the viewers are going to take all of these questions and situations. Well, and like we said before, as someone who has watched season two, they are totally doing this where they're like, you get some answers, but they just lead to more questions. and that's good you want more questions to keep you interested but you also have to give some answers yes
As much as I loved Lost, there was definitely times where it kind of didn't quite make sense or things were dropped and you're like, it didn't come back to them. Like, why did they even bring this up? And hopefully this show will not do that. Yeah. Totally. Before we move on to our last segment, what are your guys' overall feelings on the first three episodes of season one? So I'm trying to I'm going to try to put myself in like the.
So I watched this when it first came out, and then I'm re-watching it as we're doing them. Like, I just did the first three on purpose and didn't, even though I wanted to when I was done with that third. I'm like, well, I want to watch the next one. And I didn't so that I could kind of, like, rediscover. Yeah. I never made it through to the end of Lost. I think I watched maybe three or four seasons. So I think I know how many seasons were there total. Maybe I watched three. Not sure.
Five or seven? I don't remember. Okay. So, yeah, I didn't probably even make it quite halfway through. But from what I did see, I kind of see it. But I don't think I stayed in it long enough to get where I was, like, really. I guess I just figured I just didn't stay in it long enough.
to get the answers to stuff I was but I stopped at the point where it was still like really exciting and intriguing and they were just kind of starting to figure out that maybe they weren't there alone and I'm sorry I don't want to ruin loss for anyone I don't I'm honestly though I don't know like I know nothing so um but here
I think this just they made so many choices that are just so perfect. I love that we are finding things out as kind of I feel like the audience is kind of like the Matthews family. I kind of feel like they're the stand. and for us. And I just really, really loved it. As frustrating as it can be sometimes because...
I want to know. I want to know. Like, I'm bad. I'll admit. Like, I'm reading books. When I'm reading a book, I will sometimes look ahead. And I tell myself every time not to do it. But sometimes I just can't wait anymore. I just got to know, you know.
So it's a challenge to get through something like this, but the payoff is so worth it. And, you know, being two seasons in, it's like, phew, I might have wrapped up a few things, but darn it if I don't feel like I've got twice as many questions now.
So but it also makes it so fun. And I really enjoy talking about it with you guys and hearing somebody else's. I mean, I've been having dying to have a conversation with somebody about this, like since season one first came out. So that this is really fun. like kind of get to finally dissect it and see how, you know, other people interpreted some of the things. And, but also all three of us.
We've all kind of pretty much admitted with our answers, like, we don't know. We can give our opinion and kind of guess what we think is going on. But I think that's what's so fun about this show because, yes, first of all, we have to acknowledge the fact that it was a really good show.
that they're actually keeping going. So it's okay to get invested and wonder about these things and keep wondering because they're not going to take it away. Like, I don't know, I can think of so many, Chapelweight, maybe a couple other ones that were just so good and they just never. Yeah, there's some – HBO is a huge offender for that. So is Amazon Prime. But, yeah, it's just –
That was Netflix. Yeah, that's true. But my, you know, it's trying to see it as somebody like this is maybe just their first watch through. I'm so intrigued at this point. And like I said, I can still say that because being how many, 20? 20 episodes in or whatever it is at the end of two. I'm sorry to say if this disappoints anybody, but I really don't even have any, like I couldn't honestly give you a lot of these answers yet anyway. So it's just a lot of fun, I think. And it's genuine.
scary and they're like being really masterful at making things you think it's probably somebody who hasn't watched, but they're just listening is like, what's so creepy about some people standing outside saying, let me in. You got to see it to know what we're talking about. It's, it's.
Super, super creepy. Yeah, it is. And like the fact that, you know, like when everybody was outside of Kalani House trying to get in and people are trying to decide whether to let them in or not, like those monsters could have just. Just like... rip them apart but they decided to take their time and to be slow and to try to manipulate them you know instead of just like transforming and eating everybody yeah and they could have you know and like that in itself is
Yeah, and what's up with that? You come to kill people every night, but you're also coming for sport. They don't care if they kill you today because, like Kenny said, I think we're running out of spaces on the board. They don't care if they kill you today because they can kill you tomorrow. They'll catch you out eventually, you know. They just kind of like, no, like maybe I won't get you this time. I'll get you next time. It's fine. And that's how confident they are. They're not just like.
animals with no thought and just running on instinct like they have thoughts they have motivations they have plans they know they're going to get you they're so manipulative yeah yeah whenever the other thing is like whenever someone says a line you know like one that you just mentioned of like they know that we there's only so many places we can hide like
just putting things in that context and actually thinking about it and putting yourself in in those shoes is terrifying yeah because there's so many layers to this like we kind of um this this first set really focuses on the monsters but i think Not only is all this going on, but there is this fact that you're stuck in a town you can't get out of. Maybe some of your loved ones have been killed. Some people, I'm sure, left their entire family.
children behind you know we don't everybody has the backstory so on top of all these other things you have been just like the politics of the town and finding your place and uh you have a crazy schizophrenic that never mind the monster you got this chick that's fine with killing people in the town. Like, there's just so many...
layers to this. This, I think, is supposed to take place now. You don't have electronics anymore. It's like learning to walk all over again. You literally have to learn a whole new way of living and there's things trying to kill you slowly so right and i'm sure like before they figured out the whole hang the talisman up and you can you know like be safe in the house or whatever when they were just running around in the woods
Like they probably couldn't even think about their families back home and all of that kind of stuff. And now that they're finally in a place that's a little safer, now they really can kind of focus on their trauma. Yeah. and all the things that they're leaving behind and missing out on. I wonder which one's worse, you know, honestly, when you think about it. They don't talk about it a lot in the first season, but they do start getting into it a little bit in the second season.
about what it's like to have left your loved ones behind. As you get these more backstories, you hear. I mean, Jade seems to be a pretty solitary character, but I think that's kind of probably how he was in real life. But you don't see a lot of people walking around holding hands when you just have like the townspeople scenes where people are going back and forth or they're going home to get locked up. There's some that look like maybe families, but not everybody. It seemed like a lot of things.
people so yeah I just think everybody's got a story and you just start to learn but you're right And when your adrenaline is not up and you're not just trying to survive, then you would have some time to ruminate on what's going on, you know, to you. Like, they've tried everything they can think of to get out of here. There's nothing really anybody can do. There is something they try to do in season two. But it's not like, oh, tomorrow I'll make a plan.
If I just do this, I can get out of here. They already know they can't leave by car. They don't dare leave by foot because they don't want to get caught out after dark. So you are like literally, literally stuck in how many, what, one square mile maybe? at the most so with a bunch of people you don't know or didn't know before this you know what I mean and how do you trust them and you have to rely on them to some point yeah yeah true that actually I pulled up I was looking for
But I wrote down a quote that Father Khatri says to Tabitha and Jim when he's showing them the town, which kind of goes back to all that. But he says the people who survive here are the ones that adapt. They go on with their lives because that's the reality.
Yeah. Yeah. bad happens to you or you go through a trauma you you go through that to a certain extent but obviously it's a lot more it's a it's a much bigger thing that's happened to everybody in this town totally well too and i i won't get be specific But you also learn, and I do think we do learn in the first season, if I'm remembering correctly, that not everybody in town is safe to trust and that there are people that have died not from the monsters, you know.
in town. So that's just another... layer i think um i think colony house is probably the people that are a little just seemed a bit i'd probably be a colony house person they just seem to be like the more free-spirited uh kind of like well we're we have this
little group and we don't mix with the town people and these are the these are the people we trust and the other ones kind of seem like but that's part of society right there's usually us in them and I think that happens a lot but I think that's part Part of the thinking behind Colony House is like, okay, this is our little hive, and these are the people that we'll trust. But you find in season two, that doesn't even hold up. Uh-oh.
Yeah, I would probably pick Colony House, I think. Although that could be, yeah, that could be not good. well i i mean a lot of people all in one place yeah and just like i really don't want to see my roommates having sex you know like it's not a visual
It's natural. It is. I kind of wondered what would make people choose that. I mean, watching Colony House, it's like there's just people everywhere. Certain people seem to get their own rooms, and I don't know if it's because they've been there longer, like Donna. But it kind of makes me uncomfortable. I like my space. I like my privacy. And just being on top of each other kind of grosses me out the older I get.
But at the same time, I wonder, do they feel safer because there's more people and they're always surrounded by people? Do you feel like that if something happens that maybe they would find out sooner or I don't know? Yeah, and they do seem to take shifts.
Like they do have guys there with guns, but then we also that's kind of a, you know, we find out is a false sense of security because the guns don't work. But, you know, I mean, I do think I don't know. They just seem more like, I guess, my people, you know, like. Like, and unless what, unless I had one of my kids, I'm not married, never planned to be married again. So unless I.
had one of my kids in my car when I see the tree, I'm probably by myself. So do I want to be in one of those houses by myself? Probably not. You know, so I'm. But like, yeah, I think you're right, too. Like how what is the hierarchy there? Because like Ellis and Fatima have this like the entire looks like the whole attic to themselves, like a whole bunch of space.
And but they do also we find out in the next episode or two that they all like it's everything's communal. So like you don't have your own stuff. If someone wants to use your pillow or wear your sweater or whatever, you know, they're allowed to just take. whatever they want or need. So that would take some good news too, I guess. There's no way I could do that. Don't touch my Funko Pop. Well, it sounds like we're ready to get into our monstrous mention. Yeah, sure. This man's shot.
I'm going to share some pictures with you guys in the chat so you guys can actually see like the artwork that I'm referring to for once instead of just me talking about it. This is kind of like old school pop art. And our Monstrous Mention tonight is Jeff Braun, who's a Portland-based illustrator, mixed media artist, and author. His commercial clients include everything from movie studios to restaurants, podcasts, musicians. and breweries. His personal art has been collected.
You like it? Yes. I want the mug and the scat man. It's very cool. Oh, I love the scat man. Yeah. So cool. His personal art has been collected by people you may have heard of. director James Gunn, comedians Jimmy Kimmel, Bobcat, Goldthwait, and Mike Myers and Dana Gould, as well as Jeff Garland, and a lot more who you definitely have not, like Kevin Hopkins. I took this off of his website, by the way.
about art awards, but also encompasses everything he knows about motorcycles. He is interested in collaborations, commissions, employment, and anything else that might either be fun or put money in his ill-fed piggy bank. Not all of his art revolves around horror, but it does all center around pop culture and much of it is horror related. Definitely go check out his website, which is Jeff Braun, which is B-R-A-W-N.com.
And find him on Instagram at Jeff Braun Artist. Also check out his gift shop on his website where you can purchase a Log Lady Twin Peaks spirit board, an Exorcist dog poop bag dispenser. Or a Gayzilla mug where Godzilla is shooting a beam of rainbow from his open mouth. I want that. That is so cool. Love it. Jeff Braun, we salute you.
That's our monstrous mention. Awesome. Good find. So that's going to do it for this episode of Horror Through Her Eyes. Next time, we'll be reviewing the next four episodes of the first season of From. So that's episodes four, five, six, and seven. Get those watched by next week or the week after. We're still going to discuss that. Yeah, we might have to do the week after just because of our horror cast schedule. So we'll figure that out.
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