¶ Podcast Intro and Era Focus
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Hi and welcome to Horror Movie Weekly when Badass Horror Podcast. This is episode 184, and on a horror movie weekly, we have two hosts who review one horror movie every Sunday. You know, that's always throwing me off now because it's supposedly releases on Sundays, but we record on Thursday nights.
So I always feel like I'm lying. I'm always lying anyway. I mean I'm trying. I'm trying here, Watson. Jeez. So we review the more recent horror films. Well actually not really that either. That's another lie. I'm all this is off to a great start. What if What is this? Uh movie podcast weekly? I don't even have Andy here messing me up. No, we actually changed this damn thing. Right now we're picking horror movies that release between the years of 2005.
in twenty fifteen, because that is when Watson has felt the most spry in his nighttime activities.
Ha ha.
Just kidding. Um, yeah, we love that period. Um, that was kind of the beginning of our horror podcasting era, a little bit before that, a little bit after that. But you know, we just it's special to us, okay? And that's why we're doing it. And uh we are your in dynamic duo, like Batman and Robin. And Watson gets to be Batman while we're two late night horror hosts.
¶ Host Banter and Music Chat
And I'm Jay of the Dead, podcasting from Pleasant Grove, Utah, and I am joined by the guy whose name I've already said many, many times. He is uh just one of my favorite people. And if I have a wish for t twenty twenty-six, it is to hear him sing Chapel Roan's Pink Pony Club. Wanna welcome Miss Yeah.
Thank you, Jam. Happy to be here tonight. You have mentioned that song several times now. I'm going to have to get to this and see what this uh Pink Pony Club song is all about because I've heard of uh Chapel Rhone or Chapel Roan, however you say it, and so
Yes.
I'm I'm I'm rockin', I'm rockin'.
Real talk it here for a second. Ha are you familiar with that song then?
Not at all. Never even hurt him.
Okay. Well, I remember like the first time or so I heard it. I'm like, what is this? Right? You know. When I actually gave it a listen, I'm like, wow, this this woman is she is a tremendous musician. And there's a lot of um just remarkable and impressive musicianship at At work there and it's really catchy, and it's one of those things that if you were to sing this. It would delight and amuse Monkey Bone just thoroughly to hear you sing it specifically, given its lyrics. So
Okay, okay. Well yeah, I I one time I did uh a espresso by Sabrina Carpenter and usually you know, dudes don't do that one. I don't change the words, Jay. Don't change'em. Don't change'em, buddy.
Man, I'd like to hear that too actually,'cause I love that song.
Oh yeah, it's it was it's the uh summer song of twenty twenty four for sure. Yeah. You know, it it's it's it's so funny that we're we're uh talking this weird stuff but we're we're calm and collected because I'll tell you what, Jay, that last episode I was I can't explain to you or to anyone listening why I was so fragmented and slap happy on that last last episode. You'd think I had just downed uh, you know, a a a whole bottle of you know, of of anything.
Yeah. But I nothing. I'm just you know drinking sugar free Dr. Pepper and tea and I'm lack of sleep, I don't know, a long work day, who could say?
I loved it. On the orphan the orphan episode is previously. Orphanage, yeah, that's right.
But yeah, thank you. But I'm I'm here tonight, relaxed but ready to rock some some some chaperone, I guess.
Yes, yes, that's good. Well good. Well maybe we'll trade'cause tonight I'm a little scatterbrained, but um.
The intro the intro uh told us that.
man.
I mean, the truth is, and no one would be able to tell this by listening, but I I really did try to prepare a bunch for this, but um it is not showing and probably won't show, but Um speaking of the show, let's get to it. Mr. Watson, what have you been watching for micro horror movie reviews?
¶ Kill Me Again Micro Review
Thank you, Jay. My micro horror movie review this week is of a twenty twenty-five release called Kill Me Again. Have you heard of that one?
Mm no, I don't think so.
Okay. It's written and directed by one Keith Hardeen, I think, or Jardine. I it's probably Hardeen. who also has a role in the film, and it stars Brendan Fair as our dashing lead. Kill Me Again is the story of Charlie, a notorious serial killer known as the Midnight Mangler. Well, Charlie has himself a little problem. He
is out one night doing some dastardly deeds, and he makes a stop at a random diner downtown. And then he comes to find that he's trapped at this place, reliving the same violent night over and over, Initially embracing his grisly urges, Charlie soon becomes desperate to escape the endless nightmare.
So we've got a time loop horror movie on our hands here, and I'll just put it out there. I'm not sick of these yet, Jay of the Dead. I don't know about you, but man, I have a lot of fun with these types of narratives, and this one's no exception. The neat part about this movie is, you know, like you heard here, is that they flipped the script on us in that we're following the killer.
instead of a final guy or girl, which you know what might not seem like a big changeup, but it manages to bring the story into some pretty interesting territory that wouldn't be the case if we were seeing these events through the eyes of a victim. Nice.
Now, one of the big challenges in writing this sort of story is all about how you it's kinda like I said in my micro hormover uh whore movie review last week is, you know, how you explain, you know, in that case it was the literalization of a metaphor, in this case it's It's how do you explain the time loop phenomenon? Well, in Groundhog Day, it's, you know, divine intervention of a kind. In Happy Death Day twenty seventeen, it's just kind of happening without any real reason.
in a Japanese film I covered on this show as a micro horror movie review not too long ago, a film called Remember 2022, the time loop is a supernatural curse. So you know, those are some impossible explanations. Well all I'll say here and now is that this movie opts for a totally different Explanation than any of those I explained. So mileage will definitely vary with regards to whether or not you the viewer will find this
explanation satisfying or not, but at the very least you probably won't see it coming. It's pretty off the wall stuff here. I mean, shoot, to close things out, just to make this as micro as can be. I mean it's a fun movie, solid kills, interesting characters. It's pretty funny. But not goofy, not goofy funny. Uh good acting.
I'm gonna call this a six point five out of ten, one time watch, and you can find it for free on Tubi. Get yourself an ad blocking suite so that you don't have to watch commercials and have a fun time with Kill Me Again twenty twenty five.
¶ Kill Me Again Rating & Reactions
Oh nice. And if listeners don't know, a six point five is really pretty good rating for Mr. Watson. I think your six point five is kind of what would you say? Is it like my seven point five or eight-ish?
It might be, yeah. It's a it's a good comfort rating for you know um it's a you know, it's a standard deviation and a half from my my neutral five, which puts it in the positive. Yes. And so, you know, it's I'm you know, when you are at six six you're at a like an average good whereas a four is an average bad. That's why four's not low for me, but like a six point five is oh, this is we're in above average territory, aren't we? And so that's where it whereas, you know, like say uh
Three point five is you know, we're in below average and you start hearing me say twos and threes, you know he hated this. Yeah. But I liked this. I thought this Kill Me Again was a lot of fun. Like I said, a one time watch. I I don't I don't think a rewatch will be all that rewarding, but you'll have a fun ride if you just, you know, hit Tubi, get that ad blocking suite on and, you know, you don't even deal with them commercials, baby. And so that that's what's up.
I have uh four dumb comments and questions, um, just in random order. I noticed that the writer director, uh, Keith Jardine, is also in the cast. There is David Stigansky. And I just wanna say I like that dude's ears. He's got cool ears. It reminds me of my ears. So that was one thing. I hope he doesn't take offense to that genuine compliment,'cause he looks like he could stomp me into the ground.
Oh th yeah, he's an intimidating looking fella.
Yeah, he's a big guy. Now, this title, Kill Me Again, reminds me of that Lindsay Lohan title, I Know Who Killed Me.
Oh, I never did see that. I never did see that. Is it any good?
No, it's horrible. But but it's pretty smuddy. Just saying, so might be a Mr. Watson pick. But um come on and then
¶ Mr. Watson Pick & Time Crimes
Well, wait till you see what I've got. I I was just about to defend myself because folks we go back and forth on this Mr. Watson pick thing, which I think I coined that. Yes. But in my defense of myself, I mean I I also choose some very classy movies.
No. It's true. Do you know who's embraced that the most is Spawn of the Dead. He he has decided that anything that's like super naughty is a Mr. Watson pick. It's so funny to me.
Uh'cause I the degree if you look and I do have a letter boxed page for Horror Movie Weekly. Uh every film that we've covered on you know from se episode seventy one when I started to to now. And yeah, I've got a couple in there that are kind of naughty. But even then, I mean, like I'm only giving you like twenty percent of my strength with those and that's a small degree of the movies. The rest is like a lot of
Thought-provoking, classy, you know, cerebral stuff. That's a true Mr. Watson pick. I'm the one who said it though. I'm the one who gave this a name, you know.
That's right.
Buddy when you see my next pick you're gonna go, Okay, he's uh he's leaning into it, isn't he?
Well and speaking of in case people are feeling skeptical toward you calling it classy picks, Mr. Watson did bring us the Laplace's demon, right? Which is classy indeed.
The orphanage, classy movie.
Yes.
Timeless classy. Yes. Cultured over here. Mr. Watson Pick could also mean cultured. It doesn't, but it it could.
That's right, that's right. The other two things I was gonna say about this movie that you just then you micro reviewed, whatever we call it on this. It also reminds me a little bit, since you're going from the killer's perspective of in a violent nature. Did it did that was that reminiscent? I I I'm I'm assuming it was not shot the same or anything, but
No, I mean it's just it you're you're I see what you mean by that,'cause in a violent nature is a slasher movie from the point of view of, you know, a Jason Voorhees like undead killer, you know, slasher killer. This one is more like you're you've got this kind of handsome, charismatic serial murderer
who is y the focus of the movie. You're seeing everything through his eyes. Not literally like the you know, in the other case, but where it's he's the one, he's the focus. I the one who is mystified by why the night keeps repeating as
opposed to somebody who keeps dying every night by getting killed. A la happy death day. He's the guy doing the killing, being shocked like, whoa, like w why am I here again and why can't I leave? And it's it's kind of fun to watch him try too. There are these scenes where He tries to test the boundaries of this time loop and that's it's pretty entertaining.
Very cool. And then the last thing then I'll ask you is if you or the listeners, this is for everybody, this is definitely horror adjacent and it's murder related and um some people might call it horror, but did you ever see the film Time crimes
I have not seen time crimes.
That's a really interesting one that I would highly recommend to any of the Cenophiles out there listening. And it yeah, it is dark and it's um it's like a murder type movie and it's a time travel type movie and so Although it's not the groundhog day scenario per se, it's still fascinating that way. And since you were talking about liking the loop type situation, I think that's something you would really appreciate, brother. Oh, cool.
And it's it's a Spanish movie too. I've heard of this movie over the years and I've just I've never gotten around to it. I I'll put it right on the list.
Yeah, it's good.
What is it uh something that would be eligible for maybe a micro horror movie review or it looks like it says horror mystery.
Yeah, or I mean you could even like I said, some people probably would call it horror. I haven't I haven't seen it recently enough to give you my verdict on that, but but even if either of us chose it for a feature on this show, that's fine too. I'm just saying it's It's it's pretty cool. So anyway.
Interesting, cool.
There you go. All right. Well thanks Mr. Watson for your review. You always bring it, brother. It was good stuff.
Thank you, sir. What have you got for us?
¶ Red Eye Micro Review
Okay. Well, as we record this, it's January fifteenth today, uh, twenty twenty six, and we have uh at the end of this month, we have a brand new Rachel McAdams movie coming out. And uh she is just uh my dream girl.
That's why I was laughing. We we in in the group chat, the you know the fabled group chat, Rachel McAdams comes up here and there.
Yes.
I I now forever associate to her uh w with you.
Here and here's the thing. Everybody, even my daughter's getting to the point'cause um Gizmo edits these now. Um She's to the point where she's like, Boy, you you talk about Samara Weaving a lot, Dad, right? And and you all know I love Samara. But honestly, if if Rachel McAdams and Samara Weaving were standing there both asking me out, I'd be like
Samara who?'Cause Rachel Rachel, yo. Anyways, I'm just saying I'll okay, I'll I'll I'll uh calm down a little bit. But um so anyway, that's coming out and that's like an air
Yeah, y apparently, you know, she's on an airplane, she crashes on an island with her boss, and blah blah blah. So and it looks like it's probably gonna be kind of like a thriller. I doubt that it will get to horror territory. Okay. But I only bring that up because over these years I've thought I have always meant to, always wanted to. see the other Rachel McAdams airplane thriller type movie that I hoped would get to horror and it is Red Eye from 2005. Brother, do you know I've never seen that?
Mm.
Yeah. Yeah, see you're cooler than me then because that same year the airplane type thriller that I saw was Flight Plan with Jody.
Oh yeah, I saw that too and I remember it it made me it made me crazy.
Yes. Yes. Yes. And and so
Oh my god, that yeah, that movie. I d yeah, I don't want to talk about that.
Yeah, flight plan is maddening. So yeah, we'll get the red eye here. It's a PG thirteen movie, and I will say it is a full blown thriller. And I'll even go so far, even though this came out in two thousand five, I will say This is a nineties thriller. Oh. I mean, seriously, brother. I could not believe how nineties this is, and it makes perfect sense when you see that the director is
Wes Craven. Yes. I always forget. See, I've been very familiar with this movie, of course, because I love Killian Murphy, I love Rachel. And I always forget this is a Wes Craven movie, and I just can't explain. I I've owned this on my shelf for many years and it just, you know, I just didn't get around to it until tonight watch it. So here it is.
Everybody, if you like nineties like thriller sensibility, because there's a lot of roll your eyes kind of moments in this, did you feel that way when you saw Watson?
You you know, I it again, you know, it has been, you know, this came out in what, 2004, 2005? Yeah. I mean, yeah, we're we're you know nearly twenty years out and I only saw it the one time when it was you know there in theaters and I do remember there were certain points where it's like, yeah, eye rolling is the uh the operative uh that's that's a good description.
For sure. But, you know, I did not gripe at all because, you know, I c I could just sit and watch Rachel McAdams, you know, just she's just so gorgeous on the screen. Like the camera loves her. It's not just me, the camera loves her.
She listen, she knows what she's doing. She's not an A lister for no reason. She knows what's up and and she's great in this movie. I mean, you know, insofar as you know she's emoting, she's she's going for it.
Yeah, and and you know, she w she works those dimples in And then you got Killian Murphy, who is um man, he he's also I love that actor and his eyes his crystal blue eyes, I read somewhere that that was part of what got him cast were were his eyes, which is just hilarious to me. But But yeah, he's he's phenomenal too. So premise of this, I've already gone way too long, I'm sure. But Rachel McAdams, he's like uh
kind of like a manager of a hotel, kind of a fancy hotel in Miami, and she is traveling back from a funeral. And a Killian Murphy character is kind of a Starts out as a meat cute, seems like it's gonna be a romantic comedy, but it's not. He's actually uh a um well, he has nefarious plans and he wants to coerce Rachel McAdams character into helping him with a horrible plot. And so she's gonna use her hotel pool, not the swimming pool, but her P-U-L-L
Yeah.
Anyways, she's gotta use that in order to help him carry about his purposes. Otherwise he is holding over her head the safety of her father. Blah blah blah. Lots of ridiculousness, but still entertaining, Uh, Makula almost joined us tonight on this and I almost had him I think I almost had him talked into seeing this. I I don't know if he watched this before, but this is right up Maccula's
Allie, I think he would love something like this. I only love it'cause it's got Rachel in it, but I'm giving it a I'm giving it a six out of ten. Like I said, it's a thriller, and I'm sorry. I meant I I was hoping, I assumed, I thought it was a horror movie, it's not. Six out of ten, I call it a rental. There's a red eye.
Okay.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds about right.
Right.
Well and and yeah, if she weren't in it, if it were a different I'll I'll just be real honest though, I'd probably be like a a five. She helps. All right.
¶ Introducing Dying Breed Feature
Well, this week it was my turn to choose uh a feature review and um you know I'm starting to get a little bit of one of those um complexes because like I feel like Watson chooses really cool stuff. And I choose okay stuff, but it's just hard to keep up and follow Watson every other week. So I'm not gonna whine about it, but I'm just gonna say, you know, if you're watching along
Uh wa you know Watson's the King of Horror Movie Weekly for a reason, y'all, so make sure you always watch his picks. My picks are gonna be a little suspect, so I'll tell you that right now.
Oh wait, Jay. Just wait till next episode.
Okay, okay, good. Then I'll feel better about myself maybe. So yeah, what we got here is uh a movie called Dying Breed. technically hit video in 2009 and I chose it because I really like the sound of the premise which I'll talk about momentarily.
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And she myself I finally made it.
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Alright, so I'm not sure. you are new to this show. We don't reveal spoilers on this podcast unless we give you a warning first. Film is called Dying Breed and it is part of the after dark horror fest eight films to die for.
¶ After Dark Horror Fest Legacy
And just we'll kinda pause here to talk about that for a minute, Watson. So I don't know what your feelings are about the um after dark horror fest. films, but I wanted to I guess bring this to the listeners. I think most veteran horror fans like yourself would be very well familiar with these movies. But if just in case we get some younger listeners I wanted to just point this out. So this was founded after Dark Films, founded in 2006.
They went through this phase where each year they'd pick like eight horror movies they selected to release under this banner of eight films to die for. Some of them actually got like uh US theatrical run, like one week in the theaters. But uh for the most part, they were like straight to video, straight to DVD and and digital. And honest to goodness, Watson, I don't know how you feel, but most of these have been interesting. And I'll just say, like, yeah, th they're not like
Oscar winner horror films, but what horror films are but um but like I think they're interesting enough to be you know, it's not the same old, same old, I guess is what I'm saying. But do you have an opinion about after Dark Horror Fest films, eight films to die for.
Oh for sure. A lot of these movies are pretty neat. I've seen a lot of them. I'm looking over a list right now just to kind of brush up and yeah, I'm seeing some titles here that are just some uh You know, like yeah, you're you're right. Maybe not Oscar winning or anything like that touching greatness, but some of these are some just like solid movies that, you know, fit great into what we're doing even now.
Yes.
The Hamilton's I'm seeing the
Yes.
Like there's wicked little things, Borderland. Yeah, a bunch I've seen the deaths of Ian Stone. Mulberry Street. That's uh Jim Mickle. So yeah, this is a lot of
Zombie rats, right? Mulberry street.
Exactly. And then uh I didn't even realize until seeing it on the list here that uh the you know, the French extreme, you know, frontier. Or front or I I don't think you're supposed to pronounce the S, but uh frontier. Yeah.
I always
I I guess that's on on this list too. I didn't know that. That's pretty neat'cause that's a that's an amazing movie. Have you seen that one?
Yeah, I didn't realise that was uh I didn't realize that was one of these. That's cool, Watson.
Think so. At least this list I have says it is. Uh maybe um you know, uh you know, like I g a lot of people love Lake Mungo. I don't but I I do yeah. Oh interesting. Uh uh. Yeah.
Doctor Moody though, man. Doctor Moody loves that one.
Yeah, he does he does a lumberjack man. Okay, I do like that one.
Autopsy. Autopsy was one that was really solid. You know, and uh let's see, there's Dread, there's From Within, The Broken, Borderland, which I talked about recently. I actually we've actually talked about a number of these on the show, whether it was in micro reviews. But yeah, seriously horror fans, if you're just curious about looking up some movies, yeah, y Google this list and uh bring up it's called After Dark Horror Fest, eight films to die for.
And so anyway, this film here tonight, Dying Breed, was of the third the third release of eight films. But anyways, sorry, Watson, I feel like I cut you off. Were you what else did you want to say about this?
¶ Dying Breed Premise & Lore
I'm rocking, man.
Okay. All right. So this movie here, yeah, let's straight to video. It hit video on um march thirty first, two thousand nine, co written and directed by Jody Dwyer. It stars Lee Wanell as an actor in this. Yes, actor, not a writer this time, but it's rated R has a runtime of one hour thirty-two minutes. And here's the premise. And this is what I'm talking about with these films having kind of interesting premises.
A group of uh four people, zoology student Nina, her boyfriend Matt, and friends Jack, who's a jackass, and Rebecca travel deep into the remote wilderness of Tasmania, seeking evidence of the supposedly extinct Tasmanian Tiger. So you have the Tasmanian Tiger angle. There's also um like a folklore history angle in this. And there's also uh the mysterious uh death of her sister who was also trying to track down
and take a photograph of the elusive if it still exists Tasmanian tiger. So Watson, I'm I'm coming in classification on this. Mystery, horror. There's another subgenre which this unfolds into. I I'm not sure whether to say it or not. What do you think? Okay.
We we can definitely dance around it and you can say, uh, you know, we're we're definitely in backwater horror territory.
Yes, yes.
Yeah.
Well said. I love that. Yeah. And when this kind of thing happens in the United States, right? Sometimes we'll call it like s southern gothic type horror, right? Yeah.
Backwoods, hill you know, yeah, there's hill people. No.
Virginians, basically.
Virginians, you yeah, yes, yes, exactly.
I got a neat little factoid and and if anybody can build on this, let me know. But Watson, I just wanted to put this out there. So the Tasmanian tiger was a real animal, and as far as we know, it is extinct, but there is rare footage in existence and they actually show it. the actual real footage in this film. Oh. In that footage of that tiger. is it's shown in this film. In this film, Dying Breed is one of two feature films that features that real footage of the Tasmanian tiger.
The other one is a Willem Dafoe film from 2011 called The Hunter. So it was kind of neat. And that's actually the first place I saw that original footage and I looked into it. And man, that creature is freaky looking. Like it has such a huge gaping mouth. It's kinda weirds me out. Are you intimidated by the now extinct Tasmanian tiger?
Y listen, you you know that I there's a certain uh cute fluffy apex predator that I wanna go hug. Yeah. But n I don't wanna hug this one.
Mm mm, mm mm. And if I'm not mistaken, if my old man brain is working for me tonight, they actually so it was early in twenty twenty five. I forget which animal it was. But they liter they cloned an animal and brought back an an what was that animal?
Oh like a dire wolf or something?
Yeah, yeah, game Game of Thrones. Oh man, that's crazy. And I think if I recalled one of the things on their list was to bring back a Tasmanian tiger. And I'm like
Mm-hmm.
Hmm, I don't know if we should do that'cause those things are freaky. Anyways. So that's what intrigued me to choose this movie is you know, you got this um Tasmanian Tiger angle. How often do you get that in a horror film? Not often. And um and then the other I love uh hillbilly horror basically is what it is. So so Watson, I will shut up now, thank heavens, and ask you, what did you think of Dying Breed?
¶ Initial Dying Breed Impressions
Thanks, Jay. Well, before anything, I I ev everybody, I gotta publicly thank Jay of the Dead for sending me this movie in the mail. After the last show wrapped, uh Jay had this. baby shipping right to me before I was even like off the mic. It was so yeah, I'm not worthy of your kindness, Jay, but I am ever grateful that you take pity upon me and keep me as a friend. I love your brother and I mean the hell out of that.
Well the sorry. Well the reason I did that just so you know is I felt terrible when I got off the mic.'Cause usually we pick things that each other could stream really easily. And it didn't look like it was immediately easy to stream. So I'm like, oh, I'm such an idiot. I'll just send it to him. So for give forgive me. I'm sorry about that. But thank you for your kindness.
Well thank you for adding to my collection. Uh so yes, I mean well dying breed opening thoughts. So everybody this is a
This is...
This is quite the mean spirited movie. It's got some teeth for certain, right, Jay?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I mean we're you know, like I said earlier, we w this is uh we're dealing with osploitation, backwater horror here and Dying Breed fits right into the mix of movies within that category. Lee Wynell is a household name in the horror community at this point, more as a writer director than as an actor. But you know, he was one of the you know, the main guys in the the first Saw movie.
Yeah.
He he's a hilarious character in the insidious movies. So you know, he rounds out this cast well enough. I wouldn't say he is the, you know, most uh dynamic character in it. He probably blends into the background probably the most oddly enough. Uh but I'll tell you what, it took me a while to recognize the actor who plays Jack, Nathan Phillips. Like he's the final guy, like the m the well, the main protagonist in Wolf Creek 2005.
Yeah, he was the lead in an Aussie end of the world film I absolutely love called These Final Hours from twenty thirteen. Have you seen that?
I don't think so.
Buddy, I think it's just uh I think I could even bring that to this uh or that movie to this show because it is You know, it is that end of the world dystopian thing going on, you know, these final hours. And I think it would fit this show uh next time we get around the continents from uh, you know, we were in Spain last week, now we're, you know, here in Australia. Uh we'll be eastward next show. But eventually when we get back to Australia, these final hours may have to
come up on my list. But also he, uh this Nathan Phillips guy was in Snakes on a Plane. Kind of one of the main guys there who wasn't Samuel L. And he was even in a movie we covered here on this podcast some time ago called The Devil Below from
twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two. Wow. I think this is back in the shiny dreadful days. Yeah. And then shout out to a beastly freak horror movie he was in. He was the lead uh with uh alongside uh Alyssa Sunderland from uh you know the the Dead Eye Mommy
In
Uh Evil Dead Rise and this movie's called Blood Vessel. You can find it on Shudder. Anyway, I like this guy, and even even though he's the least likable of the protagonists in this movie, like you said, Jack is a jackass. Yes. Uh but he is the most memorable character, I would say.
Yes.
So um yeah, I mean I listen, I just I this is a this is a wicked little movie you you picked here, man. I I was not I had seen I think most of it before, but this was in a period of time where there was copious amounts of drinking and you know, just a lot of you know, I was, you know, w with the girl at the time and sometimes we wouldn't, you know, see the whole movie and just get to just d sometimes a guitar would just pop out of nowhere and then we're
doing other things. It was just you know very, very ADHD and I think because I don't remember the last half of this movie at all. all coming to mind as I was watching this first half and going, oh I do totally remember this. And then about some point I realized, oh, I I know I never got past this part here. And so uh this is a a wicked one you chose, Jay. This is this is quite the one. What what are your opening thoughts?
¶ Pacing and Poster Critique
Well thank you. Yeah. I love so many aspects of it, Watson. So that that's like the first thing I'll say, but And and maybe you can tell me'cause I was pretty tired this evening and and uh so I just I wanna get your honest feedback on this. Do you feel like um cause it just For whatever reason I was getting a little annoyed because it felt like it would be really slow and quiet. And they would they would like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, and then boom, super loud jump scare.
It just really felt to me at least like the amount of time between those is pretty spaced out. Is that was Was that not accurate? Was I just perceiving it that way because I was feeling, you know, tired this evening? What what say you?
Are you so you're asking a question about pacing?
Yeah, the pacing of the jump scares'cause I was getting very impatient with how it would be like I would get cause what I do and I don't think I have ADHD, but maybe I do. I mean in movies when they're trying to build suspense If they try to like hold that note for too long, I get bored. I lose all suspense and I just
forget what we're doing and then all of a sudden it's like boom and it's a big loud jump scare and it's like, Oh yeah, I was supposed to be feeling suspenseful. So that's what a that's what I mean.
So the the the the the push and pull wasn't necessarily working for you in this one?
Yes, but I'm asking if if you think that's accurate or it was it just because I was impatiently tired.
You know, the I don't know if I have that complaint that hadn't occurred to me, but the pacing is You know, now that you say it, it it is structured kind of like that, where you are going a while And then something crazy will happen. Be I mean, especially before, you know, w once once things really, really get going, then it's kind of relentless. Yes. But the be up up to that point, you're pretty far in the movie by that point.
Yeah, I I I think there's an argument to be made here that the tension could have been uh handled more deftly, I would say.
Yeah, I just you know s I wanted to be fair to the film and I knew you'd uh shoot straight with it. Sure. And uh yeah, so like that yeah, that's just one thing I wanted to point out there. So I think that if people go into this ahead of time, just knowing You know, this is gonna take a little patience in until it really starts to rock and roll. Yeah.
Thank you. And another thing that um I just want to throw out there that I think would just help this film immensely is there are multiple movie posters for this. And I don't think I like any of them, brother. I I Yeah. And I'm sorry to the poster artists, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I just think none of them do this film justice.
Yeah. I I I can I can see that too. I I there in fact there's the DVD that you sent me has one I hadn't seen and I was just kinda like
Huh.
I that's not I mean, I get it, but it's like not representative of what's actually happening. It it's more right, I don't want to explain this exactly, but you know, it y you see this eyeball in this like pie.
Yeah. That's on the Wikipedia page as well. If people want to see it.
Gotcha.
And in my D V D cover,'cause I own this as well, it has like a I think it's like a martini glass and it has an eyeball in the martini glass. And that doesn't capture it at all.
Not uh there's nothing.
Exactly. Right.
Yeah.
Literally. I know. Like so anyway, I it seems like I'm picking on this, but I just wanted to put that out there to listen. There's a case like you hear our review, you're kind of intrigued, but you s look at the posters and you're like, nah, you guys. So I had to just put that out there but Anyways.
¶ Film Strengths: Story & Gore
Go ahead. I'll kind of join in on that same sort of uh you know, in the spirit of kind of defending the film a little bit. Cause uh, you know, most of the online reviews I've seen of Dying Breed that fall on the negative side tend to point out that
You know, th they'll say it's not really doing anything new within the scheme of this particular horse subgenre. And okay, that's not entirely untrue on its face, but I would defend this movie by mentioning that while many of the story beats might feel familiar, These tropes are wrapped in some pretty fresh writing when it comes to the motivations of our characters. Yeah. You already mentioned this a bit, but you know, there's this two pronged search.
if you will, going on here, one having to do with coming to terms with a missing sister, and the other having to do with the extinct Tasmanian tiger. And, you know, our leading ladies basically, you know, who's a zoologist, is basically able to fund this trip to Tasmania in a professional capacity so that she can also tend to these other personal affairs. I found that pretty smart. Yes. You know, it's not like we're just we're just here now'cause she's like an Irish woman.
And uh so you know, it's like, Oh, what what's she doing all the way over here with her American boyfriend and you know, these you know, and and everything like that. It you know, well they're they're they they show you how you get from point A to point B. It's pretty smart. And then also with regards to fresh writing, the nature
of the antagonistic force that they come across. I found that pretty interesting too. You said it's tied to folklore, uh, you know, that that has to do with this, you know, with Tasmania and it's so it's more than just, you know, random Let's just say that the antagonistic force isn't just random characters out there doing this stuff. There is actually a little more to it when you go, Oh, that's who
And so I don't know what do you think? Do these elements give this movie enough of a fresh spin to make it not feel so well worn and tired in the story department? Because I
Yes. And in fact, um I love that you brought this up, Watson, because what you're referencing there, the things'cause'cause we we withheld one of the the main subgenres horror subgenres to this. for a reason. Not that it's like a huge surprise or anything.
The cold open even, you know, and and I guess if you know Tasmanian folklore, because we're all professionals in that, of course. But you know, y there are I have heard of that individual, the pie man.
Yes.
You know. And so it was like, Wait, what is that? And what does that mean? And it has, you know, a darker connotation and everything that you know goes back uh you know a hundred something years and so it's like oh okay so there's something historical going on here that's you know just bigger than, you know, oh no, we went to the wrong house and these people aren't Uh very savory or ver very you know, very nice.
That's that's that's right, exactly. Yeah, so you you do see, as you said, you do see like some familiar aspects, but I think what really sets this above is once we get into the violence that happens in the gore, it is very impressive. Dude. Yeah, there it there is one shot. I'll I'll just say it like this. It takes place by a tree. that I was like, Wow, that ooh uh it's like, how much did they pay that dude to uh let them do that?'Cause it was pretty convincing, right?
Yeah, that that looks like they filmed an accident.
Yeah. It it does. And it's like, oh whoops. Hey hey Joe, if you can hang in there, uh let's let's just keep rolling.
Cameras are still rolling. Just here. Just look just here, we're gonna put Oh, we don't even need to put the fake tears of fake blood. Okay, action.
Yeah, it's there. But my i that was pretty impressive. But I will say like uh it's weird because they'll nail something like that and I don't know if it was a continuity issue or whatever, but like thereafter it's like Hey, remember um just a little bit ago like
Like.
Right? Uh but anyways, whatever. So um, but yeah, the gore the gore in this, some aftermath scenes, some kills in this. I you know, I was very impressed with that stuff. And so I think, you know. Somebody who likes uh likes gore and some pretty creative type uh violence on screen, I think this is pretty good that way. But what say you?
Buddy, I completely agree with you and this was in my notes, a bullet point that says, Ask Jay about the violence in this movie. That's what my bullet point says. And dude, I I'm so with you on this because I found it pretty gruesome
and felt like this aspect of the film alone is enough to be something of a selling point to anybody, you know, who's still wondering, Oh, you know, this dying breed, haven't really heard of it, you know, is it worth checking out? And it's like, yeah, man, like the y if especially because
And I'll I'll just word it like this, uh g you know just to dance around some spoilers. There the gore, yes, in the blood, in the violence itself i is gruesome in the sort of the insofar as the kills are concerned. But there Are some other pretty nasty things that happen to some characters in this movie that go a little beyond that or that go in sort of a different
uh you know, violence of a different nature, if you will. And it's it's like if you are going, All right, I wanna see something kind of you know, the kind of messed up and and nasty, th this this has it, you know. I I'm telling you, man, if you you When you start to realize, okay, this missing sister angle, where did all that end up and what really happened? And then you get that answer, it's like, oh God no.
And then, you know, uh that's yeah, then there that there's echoes of that later on and w we'll get there. But uh yeah, I I I I I would say yes, absolutely, the horrific
¶ Tasmanian Setting & Realism
uh violent content here is definitely a selling point. And uh I wanted to ask you about the setting, Jay. Okay. You know, Dying Breed takes place in Tasmania, Australia, and as far as my quick research goes, it seems like they actually did film most of this movie proper, you know, in Tasmania proper. Now, first off the I gotta just a little aside here, the punk rockers uh will appreciate this. So back in the nineteenth century when it was
established as a penal colony, Tasmania was called Van Diemen's Land. And the only reason I know this is because one of my favorite punk bands, the Dropkick Murphy's, covered this old Irish folk song called The Black Velvet Band, in which, you know, we see this narrator get accused of a and set up for a crime he didn't commit and he gets sent away as punishment to Vandeman's Land.
And uh it's such a badass fun song. They really, you know, speed it up and just make it this uh, you know, hard, uh fun, fast punk rock, you know, uh super just Uh uh a a favorite uh punk song of mine actually by by those guys. Uh excellent album, Blackout from I think two thousand three. That's a ten out of ten album right there. But um anyway, uh the the film's use of setting though is where I'm getting it is quite good in this Vandeman's Land, Tasmania.
The you know, the Tasman wilderness, uh, you know, looks beautiful and lush. But I was I was kinda cracking up at one point, though, and this is the nature of my question, Jay. I was wanting to know if I Uh I might be talk me down from this or maybe you can explain this. So if I understand it correctly, when our protagonists set out on their search for the elusive Tasmanian tiger, they're going out into the middle of nowhere, right? Like way out into the bush where
few human beings ever go, they take this river boat out and or leading lady even says something to that effect, right? She you know yet, you know, the film's climax takes place on this impressive but very modern looking railway bridge. That's out there. You know, which of course isn't, you know, very indicative of a place where no one has ever set foot.
Now I'm probably overthinking this. It it just seemed to me like they they went somewhere that wasn't even on their map. You know, remember that? That you know, that said. But it seems like everyone just kind of knows how to get to this spot effortlessly. You know, and I'm just kinda like and sure, okay, I can grant that the you know, okay, the locals know, you know, th these these areas, you know, obviously better than our you know, our n pr foreign protagonists do. But I was just kinda like
I'm not convinced this is wilderness. I'm definitely convinced this is out of the way. But if you're telling me, you know, she says few human eyes have ever even seen some of these places, I'm like, But there's a a railroad bridge there that was built probably ten years ago at you know, so I I'm gonna go ahead and say there's infrastructure here and it seems like you're running into an awful lot of people.
Yes, that was absolutely that is a fair critique and yeah, there's nothing I could come up with to try to defend it on that point. But what you were talking about though with them going out into the the deep the deep uh wildern or jungle or whatever to try to find this tiger. The thing that occurred to me is like, especially the Jack guy, I'm like, guys,
If this animal exists and it is as elusive as it seems to be, then you are the loudest people ever. Like the he's like screaming and goofing off and it's like You're n you're never gonna f find this thing being so loud. Anyway.
No way. I was thinking that same thing too because I I know a couple uh people from my old academic days who, you know, are animal scientists, you know, I think they're evolutionary biologists and sometimes they say, When you are out there in the wild, like the true wild, uh sometimes you were just sitting there with a notebook and you are just sitting in one place for hours and hours and hours just not saying anything and just watching.
We're we're not seeing any of that happening here and I'm you know, not that anybody can do anything about Jack. That guy does whatever the hell he wants, but it's like come on.
Yeah. And I will say about his character, while he is annoying and obnoxious, there were a couple there were a couple things he said that cracked me up. So I did I do like him.
Dynamic character Yeah, he's the most dynamic character in the movie for sure. So
Yeah, I even thought to myself s on some of those comments, I'm like, Man, m Watson's gonna appreciate that, I think. So like
There there are a couple times where uh the there was one time where I was like, Oh my man, and then another time where I was just like Uh don't don't don't mess with these people. Uh he's gonna he's he's gonna you know what I think he'll be okay for a while.
¶ Filmmaking Cold Open Flaws
I love it so much. So uh a couple just I I guess filmmaking type of notes maybe. One of my things that I wish that we could change about the cinema that happens very often is It seems like in a lot of movies. They'll give you some kind of a quick little backstory to open a film and it's just to provide some context that's gonna be useful later, but you know, they gotta show you up front to kind of get you up to speed.
And for whatever reason, Watson, and that this is kind of general what I'm saying, but I really feel like I encounter this all like often. W when they're making it, it almost seems like the filmmakers know this has just got to set a stage. We just gotta get this scene shot and get this out of the way. Those scenes. hardly ever work for me. They're not very entertaining. I don't like them. And and this has one of those and I just
I I don't know. D does that annoy you that that kind of it's a common storytelling technique. I almost wish they would do a little better on it, like um For example, pet cemetery bloodlines. that movie from a couple years ago, it would actually give us some backstory stuff that was depicted pretty well. It it seemed like they took more time on it. However, there is a little caveat to that one. This is so hilarious to me. Pet Cemetery Bloodlines has
A backstory and then from the backstory it goes into another backstory which is freaking hilarious. I laughed out loud with Spawn when we saw it. But anyways, but how do you feel about those little backstory depictions?
Hmm. So are you Specifically talking about well,'cause I I get you're saying that the cold open feels rushed.
Yeah, the pie the pie man scene, yeah, with that.
Yeah, the Pie Man scene there that, you know, takes place in the past. Is it strictly the filmmaking going on or is it that this needed to be treated maybe differently? Like maybe the sister should have been the cold opening or cold open? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I bet I would have preferred that. But yeah, I think I think if I were to try to identify it, like just to be self analytical. One part is on me and that part is I don't like to be go into a film not knowing what's going on. That really bugs me and so that that's that's my fault. That's not the film's fault. But
I do feel like these directors, when they make a scene like this, they're like, Okay, we got we got three minutes at the beginning of this film to establish this backstory. Okay, let's just throw this together. And that and that's what it feels like to me, but
Yeah, some... opening acts can feel that way sometimes and you can definitely parse out the good ones from the bad ones because you get an o opening act like uh, you know, in Scream nineteen ninety six, which is, you know, one of the best openings of a horror movie ever. I mean, that that frightened millions and millions of people, you know, and it was so well done.
And so that's an example of something really well done that i adds to the story and and then works to set the stage. And yeah, you can sort of tell sometimes when they aren't setting the stage as much as they are just going, Okay, listen, hey, your first two acts are slow, we need something in the beginning to create, you know, the illusion of tension and what's to come. It's sort of, you know, instead of s really setting
the stage, you know, which is you know, a sh this grand this grand theater stage. It's like they're just making something makeshift and here here's here's your stage and we're setting it.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. So well, I I'm comforted to hear that maybe you've it sounds like you've picked up on that as well. And
I you know, now that you say it, I I ha it hadn't occurred to me, but when you say it, it's like I don't have an argument in favor of this cold open, except they're yeah, it's kind of bloody and you get the history, but m perhaps that could have been done better as a maybe late second act flashback or early third act flashback where somebody
you know, one of the townspeople or something like that out in the woods tells them the the legend of the Pie Man and everything that and how that relates to now. And then we get some kind of cool flashback that You know, I think that's a good idea. content or similar you know similar story-wise to what we saw there in that cold open, but there it would maybe flow with the story better rather than being sort of an excuse to I guess pad a uh pretty slow first and second act.
Yes. And and just kind of uh uh a considering the cinema type of note on this. this convention of doing it, it's very common storytelling convention, but this this occurs like across genres. Uh you know, in horror, typically it occurs to establish, okay, this is a horror movie, you know,
We've gotta build up and give some other story, but we're gonna show you right up front that there's a kill so you know what what you're in for here, what kind of movie you're watching. But But I I find that it works most effectively like typically in other genres, like for example in um like a lot of the crime cop movies, you know, they will show that our protagonists
They're they're on a case or they're dealing with something, so it's almost like a miniature little micro store microcosm of a story that shows the competence and ability of our protagonists. And I guess there's a great horror example of that. With the conjuring, with the first conjuring film, we see we see them dealing with um Annabelle, right? The little Annabelle story. Yes. And so that that establishes their competence and we know that they have this ability to do this.
And so like yeah, I I love like um I don't know why this is the one that pops into my head, but like um Ed Eddie Murphy's Metro
Ha ha.
Just a random, random movie. But um he he's he's a uh hostage negotiator in that and um So like they open showing us that yeah, he's good at his job. He can do this kind of stuff. And so I I love that in other films where it's like we get to see them use their skills and we know they're good at it. And then for the movie at hand,
¶ Bathroom Scenes in Horror
Th we're gonna see them struggle because this is a super hard example of solving, you know. So anyways, blah blah blah. So I do have a Kyle Bishop type question for you that maybe only Kyle Bishop would appreciate.
Yeah.
We'll see if you what you think. So in the beginning we get um we get this gal and she goes to take a a whiz in the woods. It doesn't show anything, you know, so it it's not about showing flesh in this particular example. No. So do you think, Watson, from an anal analysis
Do you think that the a scene like that is written in there?'Cause we actually get a lot of bathroom scenes in um horror movies. Do you think it's just to show her humanity that she's that she's mortal? She's a human. Yeah, she has to use the restroom too. I think she's
She was the only one.
Right. Right. But I mean
the only one who uh got a mostly nude scene.
Yes, that's true, but it wasn't during the bathroom scene. So I was just wondering, I'm like This does seem kinda random and it wa you know, maybe it was just as simple as, Hey, they're trying to give us suspense to see like she's in the woods by herself, all something's gonna happen to her, you know, but but but I started thinking I wonder if Kyle Bishop would say they just want to show her humanity.
I mean that's definitely the latent effect of a scene like that. you know, a little bit of tension. She's out there away from the group and something, you know, is out there in the bushes with her. And it doesn't really amount to literally anything. I mean it could be. I mean you could look back and go, Oh, you know, there you know, there are some characters who could have been watching.
You know? Yeah. Uh who we who we come to meet later. That could have been happening even that early in the story. That's something I hadn't really considered. I just wasn't sure if she was just, Oh, I'm just I'm scared out here and it's just a way to you know, give us some some kind of little uh to work for the tension while we are still character building.
But it did occur to me, you know, uh, you know, like I was thinking about the movie what was the movie with Alexandra DiDario and the girl from Hellfest.
And the blonde girl from Bone Lake, uh we summon the darkness. Yeah, for some reason the the the blonde thing was she has uh a small bladder and is always doing that and it's like Like you know, there was a time in movies where listen, we're not we're not gonna do stuff like this and nowadays, you know, bathroom everything is all the stuff because of of reasons and you know I I don't know how deeply I want to get into that.
Right.
Unless it's funny. Unless it now if it's funny and we're talking like bad Milo stuff, we'll get into it literally. Uh but But uh anybody who got that reference, you're rocking with us. Uh but you know, I think yeah, I I the it it wasn't uh loss to me that it is kind of a human moment. Uh
You know, the that the but it it's kinda funny'cause I think she's the only one who has that similar moment. And yeah, so it's kinda like, Oh, you know, why just her? You know, but so who who knows what the reasons for that could be.
¶ Memorable Lines and Shock
Okay, yeah.
Tension. Just tension building.
Building. There was a line in this uh line of dialogue that cracked me up and I don't think it was necessarily meant to be funny, but I would never put something like this in my movie because I would just feel like it would be It would be uh just a perilous trap. Uh at one point the characters are bickering or something, and one character says, Let's not lose the plot.
Yeah.
Do you remember that? Okay. Yeah, and it's like yeah, they were doing it it was just funny to me because ironically it was like they were doing something that didn't really matter and it's like, Okay, let's you know, keep keep moving. like Carl would say. And and they they just happen to say, you know,
I I think the character was genuinely trying to communicate l let's not get distracted with this, but like you see she literally said, Let's not lose the plot and I just I was cracking up, brother. It's just so funny to me.
That's pretty funny, man. I didn't catch that.
like that. So and I don't know if I should I gotta ask you this. And this isn't this isn't a how I'm trying to think how I should approach this. Okay. There is a scene where where presumably Animals, naughty animals that are related, are punished.
Yeah.
you know, one of our characters walks around and like peeks around the corner. Was what was happening what I thought was happening there, Watson?
Y yeah. I think the ingredients, right?
Yes, yes. Okay. Okay. But it was just like, um'cause you know how you know how people get really uh sensitive about when bad things happen to animals in movies?
Yeah.
I was I was really shocked that that they would go for it and and we got like a split second image of something. Yeah. But it was it was almost just not enough. And and I think they thought that people would revolt. if they showed that, but um but that cracked me up actually'cause when I reali Like, no way. That is crazy.
Yeah, I I it definitely adds to the mean spirit that this movie has. Yes.
¶ Terrifying Animal Attack Sound
Now Watson, I gotta tell you and I'm sorry, I just keep talking but My favorite aspect of this whole film, and I'm I'll just say this the reason to see this. There is an animal attack scene and there's a noise of this animal attack. There's a noise that is truly disturbing. It is on the level of scariness of that one movie where the the ghost woman is screaming in the woods.
Oh yes, the um...
Yeah, what is that called? Um the that West Virginia Hunter movie.
I watched that on on your recommendation, whichever show it was. Uh I don't even think we were like uh hanging out yet and being being best buddies yet, but yeah. Yeah, when you when you recommended that movie, I instantly t was like, I have to see this and It's the one with um the the guy from the Oh my gosh, I'm gonna I now my brain is shutting down. Now I'm gonna get slap happy.
I mean...
Two movies with the the guy the guy with the good mask and he's the protagonist.
Yeah I'll have a Stewart? Yeah, yeah. Boy, you're good, brother. How did
Yeah.
And the um
What are these movies I'm thinking of?
I'll have it here in just a sec. Yeah, Josh Stewart is a character actor from the West Virginia. Yeah, I love him too. I'm I'm a huge fan. I mean, he's been in tons of good stuff. The collector, uh
Collector, yeah, those are
Yeah.
I love both collector movies. I I'm such a fan of those and
But this movie that I'm talking about, if listeners, if you haven't seen it, and I'm sorry about this tangent, it's all my fault. But um it is called The Hunted. Which is different from the aforementioned the hunted that I talked about with Willem Defoe and the Tasmanian Tiger. This is the hunted from twenty thirteen and there's like a um a ghostly woman screaming out in the forest. Did that did that show your blood?
When y you pointed that out in your review of The Hunted, I remember like honing in on that and it is especially frightening. Yeah.
Yes. So so in this there's like a second place level. in this movie and it's it's relatively brief, but it's like an animal type attack sound and it it scared me. Do you remember what I'm talking about? Did you feel that anyways I'm I'll just Anything else you want to talk about?'Cause I've just been rambling. Oh.
¶ Bleak Ending Discussion
Well sure, yeah. I've got uh one more major bullet point here and it has to do with the ending. And I just wanna know, you know, we'll definitely dance around it, but what did you think of that ending, Jay? Because I I w we won't spoil anything but Well I'll word it like this, when you look at who dies and who doesn't, who you know, which just which is to say who makes it to the very end of the film.
It's pretty hardcore stuff because if you think for just even a moment about the trajectory of one character in particular. what is happening to this person, let's say, after the credits roll. Like if you could extend this movie and go into that world. So we you know, we the viewer get cut off at this point and then, you know, but you know, we get to see, okay, well do the thought experiment and be like, oh, you know, what happens What is the life what does life look like?
for this individual now, given everything that this person has been through and is, you know, going through, it's just like it it's nasty stuff, man. I was just like I was like, whoa. What a what a gut punch that is, just to even think like it might be worse to die earlier in the movie.
Yeah. Or when you said worse or better to die or excuse me.
Yeah, it might be sorry, I missed I completely spoke. It might be worse uh, you know, than if you died uh earlier in the movie, is what I meant to say. Yeah.
So it's
When you when you think about that because you know, it it's obviously you're in the moment and that ending happens, you're just like, dang, but if you just go Man, what what does next week look like for this individual?
What is it?
a month like now and I d I I do that sometimes like you know especially two movies I think about all the time are The Witch and Midsummer. Oh which I know I I I was gonna say Midsummer but I was I was trying to I was trying to get you uh yeah
Ry me up.
Yeah, but Midsummer and the Witch are two movies especially where I just go, Yeah, what is life like for you now?
Oh man.
The answer's not good. The bad guy won in both times. Don't Don't let anybody tell you that though that those were empowering endings because they're not. No. For either one of those characters. Evil one and that's not a good thing. And but in this case here, you know, it's not ambiguous like it is in those other movies or you know, where you're you're you're wa you watch this ending.
And it just it just kinda hits, especially again, like you when I just think to myself, God, what is a month from now look like for you? W what is life now? I mean, so that's all I'll say. It's just
I love that Watson. And I'm yeah, I absolutely love um when horror is bleak and, as you said, mean spirited. I I like how nasty this little movie is. So yeah, I I dig it, brother. Um a hundred percent. And and by the way, listeners, speaking of the ending, stay make sure you stay mid credits. There's a little mid credits thing for you as well.
There is, dang it, I didn't catch it.
Yeah, yeah. Well it's it's just I'll put it like this it's an image on a cell phone that you
You know what? Yes, I did catch that.
Okay.
Thank you for reminding me. Yeah, I w yeah, I w I just watched it yesterday too. Uh but yeah, uh yep, that image on the cell phone, that was that was pretty neat.
Yeah, yeah, I I I love that kinda a little punctuation on the whole thing. But anyways, uh I that's all I have uh before final thoughts and ratings. What about you, Watson?
Same with me.
¶ Dying Breed Ratings & Verdict
Sir. Alright. Would you like to go first and uh give us your your verdict on this puppy?
Yeah, let's go. Uh so yeah. Look, I and I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that this is up there with something like Wolf Creek or anything like that, as far as you know, asploitation horror goes, but anyone looking for some lesser disgust Ozploitation horror that delivers the blood and gore and that goes for the throat, leaving you, you know, feeling hopeless and in despair. Dying Greed will absolutely scratch that itch. And I am at a seven out of ten.
We record you can stream this on Netflix and Absolutely should do that. I I guess that's at least what my quick Google search said so I could just give a recommendation and I it just gave me I don't have like Netflix anymore. But so I couldn't click on that. But for anybody who does, I think it says I think it says Netflix.
But we go.
the option came up.
Well that's so funny because I was that's why I sent it to you'cause I was worried it wasn't streaming anywhere.
Well that well and listen, thank you uh again because I'm happy to have this as a really cool uh cool little You know, into into my collection where you can you know somebody what is that? And I that's like more than anything, I love that aspect of uh of my particular collection. And so yeah, but I guess Netflix double check me on
It's not coming up on my my Netflix here in the US, so
Okay, okay. No, it no it no but it did say when I was just googled it really quickly before hopping on the mic, I was like, Oh, it just came the it came up with a Netflix window and then said uh the synopsis of the movie. Now sometimes that happens and then you find out oh you can't do it in this country or
Or they
I used to have that, but it's not there anymore, so this might be a little difficult to to stream, which Uh this conversation definitely uh reveals that
Yeah. It it looks like it's on Apple TV if people have a subscription to that. But otherwise, um yeah, it's for the most part it looks like it's a DVD. situation. So I'm glad I sent it to you, brother. Thank you. So what it says seven out of ten and you say uh stream it on Apple T V or your DVD if you could find it. So
Yeah, you can find this DVD, yeah, snatch it up.
Absolutely. Alright. And uh yeah, as for me, my one big caveat, like I said, is that the pacing pushed me a little bit with my uh my patience issue and I didn't love the open sequence. So those two things worried me. But all in all, you know, the things that we've discussed, there there's a lot of good stuff in this, a lot of great horror stuff. And Watson, I wrote down the exact same number. I'm a seven out of ten as
Well I'm I'm glad I own this and um yeah so I call this a rental for people. I own it but um but you know I think most people just it'd be a one time watch probably but be a good I like horror movies that are like and this is seriously what it's all about to me, Watson. Um I used to talk on horror movie podcasts.
It being a Friday night, you go into the gas station, you get a Mountain Dew, you get Doritos, then you watch a horror movie at midnight. And this is the kind of movie, like if you if you put on this movie, and then you go to work tomorrow, you see one of your horror boxes. buddies, you'd definitely talk about it. You'd you'd definitely bring this up. So That's uh worthy. So here you go. After Dark Horror Fest, eight movies to die for. Um, this is their third set.
And this film is called Dying Breed.
¶ Episode Wrap-up and Promotion
Technically from 2009. If you look it up on IMDb, it says 2008. And that concludes our review. As we start to wrap up, make sure you stick around to hear what Mr. Watson has for us. It sounds like I should buckle up for this next pick. For episode one hundred eighty five. Yo, Watson hasn't messed with me too much lately, so I think he's due to harass me with his picks.
But remember you can leave a comment in the show notes there at horrormovieweekly.com or on X at horror underscore weekly. And Mr. Watson, where can the listeners catch up with you, brother?
I'm here, Horror Movie Weekly. That's uh and uh also over on J of the Dead's new horror movies at newhoremovies.com with all the fellas.
Yes, and we do have fun. And um also movie podcastweekly.com and considering the cinema dot com finally getting those going again as well.
Nice, nice. I gotta I gotta weasel my way on to considering the cinema Some plan that I I have for a kind of a Valentine's Day thing. I told you about that show to discuss some non horror and uh you know get a get a little idea of what romance looks like
Are we talking about happy accidents?
Yes.
Brother, let's do that. Let's okay, we'll set that up. So
Wonderful.
¶ Next Week's Film: Gun Woman
Okay. Alright, well um, Mr. Watson, that that brings us to you. What are we talking about for episode one hundred eighty five?
Thank you, Jay. Well, okay, so here's the deal. The last movie I brought to the show, the previous episode, The Orphanage, classy masterpiece of Spanish horse cinema. Truly one of the great modern horror movies. Well with this pick, I'm going in the entirely opposite direction. And no, I'm not doing this to tease you. It's not one of those picks, Jay. This, Jay, I'm going for some gross, classless midnight movie X. Exploitation, Japanese revenge splatter goodness here.
Low budget, just like we're we're going crazy. We're we we we were we were doing some presti Last time now we're going down in the gutter for this one. So the movie we'll be covering in the next episode. It looks too Uh looks like it got its North American wide release in twenty fifteen, but it'll say twenty fourteen.
It is called gun.
I've seen this now.
Okay, Japanese movie called Gun Woman and the synopsis I've got here reads as follows. Follows a Japanese dog. who vows revenge on a crazy sadistic killer after the man murdered his loving wife. Despite the maximum security that surrounds this billionaire, the Doctor finds a perfect assassination plan when he turns a young Japanese woman into the most lethal assassin the world has ever seen.
That's where I may leave it. There's a little more to this synopsis. You know what? Let's go. This outrageous plan, his only chance for revenge, will happen at an underground facility where the killer goes to fulfill his sexual fetishes. On the night before the plan is to be executed, the the woman assassin is completed by the doctor. She is now Gun Woman.
Oh man.
This is I saw this one time before, and we'll get into this in the next episode, but and I don't remember much of it because again, we're gonna get into a lot of these, especially we get in the 20 teens. horror movies, like, you know, there was a a lot of uh you know, an he unhealthy amount of drinking going on, my poor liver. But uh so like I said, just like with Dying Greed here, I would catch pieces of movies and then just start doing other things.
This movie I remember a great deal of it and I just all I remember is like, Whoa, this is crazy. So we're gonna go with it so I can see how this ends up, because I just remember it it's a wild one. We are th the orphanage this is not, my friends.
I mean even even the poster art is like So just so.
Okay.
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The cover looks like but you know when when we get more into the coverage of the movie and I explain who that actress is with regards to you know her her role in in Japanese cinema of a kind, y it it it'll make some sense.
Okay, great. Well, how exciting. Okay, so
Get ready, buckle up for this one folks. If you haven't Woman anybody who has seen it and likes it is going, Oh, we are about to rock. Uh but for those of you who don't know, just get ready. This is gonna be uh some pretty messed up stuff. We're we're stepping into here.
¶ Concluding Remarks and Thanks
This is why I call Watson. King of Horror Movie Weekly, he is the pinnacle. Good job, brother. I'm excited. Alright, well I want to thank Mr. Watson for talking horror with me.
picking a a great one for next time and thank the listeners for supporting us. Remember um on our websites now on all of our podcast shows I have a QR code for Venmo and PayPal if you'd like to contribute donate to support the expense of uh running these podcasts I really appreciate it and for those who have donated thus far I just want to tell you it helps a bunch and I'm
Grateful, thank you. And on behalf of um Mr. Watson, I'm your late-night horror host, Jay of the Dead, and you've been listening to Horror Movie Weekly, the Midnight Bowling of Horror Podcasts.
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