Horror Movie Weekly Ep. 181: Sublime (2007)

Hi and welcome to Horror Movie Weekly, the Midnight Bowling of Horror Pi. This is episode 181, and uh Weekly is now two hosts who review one horror movie every Sunday. We review nowadays, we're reviewing horror films that released between twenty fifteen.

Those are our feature reviews and of course we do micro horror movie reviews little quick reviews of any horror movie from any time and uh we are your deadly duo Uh darn it, I have different notes here, so um I I gotta I'm I'm I'm like trying to improvise on the fly and it says all the wrong things.

We are your late night horror hosts and I'm Jay of the Dead podcasting from Pleasant Grove, Utah. And you would think I would have all this memorized, but I don't. So with me, I am pleased to welcome my highly esteemed co-host. A best friend of mine. Uh broadcasting from Washington State He is his father. the father of cool, the king of jazz,

And he is the fear behind your left titty. Welcome, mister Watson. Well, I'll take it. I'll take it, Jay of the Dead. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Happy to be here tonight, man. Thanks. Good, good. And then for those who don't know, that little quote portion is from our feature film this evening.

That wasn't my original work. I just wanna make that clear. Yes, yes, yes. So nicely done. Yeah. So anyways, um okay, I'm excited to jump in. We got we got a a bunch to talk about tonight. So Mr Watson, would you like to start us off with your

Micro horror movie review. Oh, absolutely, buddy. So uh my horror micro r or uh yeah, micro horror movie review is of a Film Net is the stuff of legend in our circle of friends, Jay. The act of watching it makes me part of a very special exclusive club.

The movie I'm talking about is Jan Gell, the Beast from the East, nineteen ninety nine. No. Yes, is written by, directed by and stars Conrad Brooks, who Made quite a name for himself acting in a lot of Z grade horror and monster movies from the nineteen fifties and early sixties, including some films by Famed uh director Ed Wood. I guess these two were were buddies.

And uh it seems that Conrad Brooks took some time off acting for a while, you know, starting in the sixties and then decades later in the eighties he came back to film and has worked steadily, you know, until his death in twenty seventeen. Uh it you know, it it kinda helps knowing that someone like Conrad Brooks was the mastermind behind Jan Gell here because it it just makes it make sense.

You know, if you if you will. Yeah. Uh the a synopsis of this film that I found online reads Without doubt, the most intriguing caveman epic of our time, Jangel, thawed from his fifty thousand years' sleep. dedicates his new life in the present day to mutilating anyone he can find as he roams the hills of Maryland and West Virginia apparently. Oh yeah. Dressed in yeah, right? Uh you're your home, you're you're a stomping ground. Uh but dressed in a leopard skin, which is

Funny to me since he was what thawed out in Iceland. Sure. It'd be like seals. Anyway, the Icelandic leopards, of course. Of course. Of course. Um but yes, dressed in a leopard skin and not much else. Jangel wreaks havoc and still finds the time to fall in love with young Beth Simmons. However, special agents Conrad Brooks

and Gary West are hot on his trail. Can they stop him before he finds his next victim? So, wow, th you know, this is a difficult movie to watch while you're sitting in your own living room by yourself. Now this is the this is the type of movie that must be watched with friends, otherwise

It's going to be almost excruciating. Now thankfully my my son came in and watched the movie with me. Which yeah, he he came in the he came in the room and he goes, he's been doing this thing where he he he likes to say, I'm I'm sensing that there's a a a a brother in need.

And he'll he'll do this. Like he's done this, he's like help people jump their cars and out no you know, out in you know in public and do things. We he just he's always looking for a brother in need and he sensed I was in need. So he uh sat down and watched the movie with me and uh you know that made all the difference.

Uh you know we we actually had fun together. Uh and and it also helps that my son is all about this very specific type of so bad it's good schlock. Um now if I'd been alone though, Jay, if if he hadn't uh sensed this brother in need, I don't know if I would have had a very good time. Now that's not to say that Jan Gell is unwatchable because it it isn't. Uh you know, it it's if I were curating

an all night horror film festival, for instance, I would happily open the proceedings with this movie. I think the crowd would go wild. Uh it's just you know, it's just ridiculous Z grade movie fun, you know, no on screen kills. No real tension. I don't know if there were besides Conrad Brooks, I don't know if there were any actors in this movie. Um there is a wrestling match with a rubber snake though. Well, you know what? Yes, and and in fact, yeah, the the fight.

between Jan Gell and this rubber snake is uh you know, I remember Dr. Shock found it quite entertaining. Uh you know it's the yes, the and it is. Uh we we my son and I were laughing our butts off. with this never ending fight with this little rubber snake and the struggle our our villain our titular Jangel was having with this thing. I know. Uh dude, uh the aesthetic of this movie is basically that of any home movie filmed on a video camera in the nineties, which

I'm pretty sure this is exactly what that is. I I you know and you know, gosh, what more can be said of this movie in the scheme of a micro horror movie review? I mean, I I think if you see the cover Of this movie, you you you have a pretty good sense of what you're going to get. It's, you know, so bad, it's good, B movie schlock, but I'd be lying. If I said it wasn't earnestly made. Yeah. It it really is. I don't know about the sequels. I guess there are two sequels.

Don't know anything about those, but this one it's like, okay, you know, it might not be good, but I I get it. This is this is uh an honestly made movie. You know, there's a specific audience for movies like this, and if you are in that crowd, then you will want to see Jan Gell the Beast from the East. But if these sorts of no budget shot on video movies don't tickle your fancy, if if that sort of just

That just that whole genre of film i is re is repulsive to you. This one will not change your mind. I am happy, Jay, that I finally did watch Jangel since it's legendary among our group of buddies, but I don't believe I'll be watching this again anytime soon. Uh yeah, I'll call this a five out of ten. Watch at your own risk. Uh Jay, what what what say you? Tell t tell me something about Jangill, man. Oh my goodness. Well, just two little comments about it.

Number one, that snake scene would have been a different story. See, I had a rubber snake just like that, and the circumference is kinda like a A big pepperoni stick or something, right? And and it would have been different had they been able to get a Python, like a like a BOA constrictor, Python, Anaconda size, whatever, the bigger size, like a a fire hose size. And and I think, you know, that would have been more believable, but the the fact that he wrestles th that pepperoni circumference

uh for that long is just hilarious. And then the other thing is I just I've always loved how it just looks like They went to, you know, their aunt's trailer and just shot in one of the rooms. Yep. It's just Yeah, so anyways, those are the things that stand out to me. But I I will tell you once again, I don't know if you if you mustered up the courage, but but the second one, the sequel, is unwatchable. Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't even try it. I I won't

I think Mac tried it and he just he's like, I can't I can't even do this. Poor Mac. Yeah. But anyways, well I'm I'm proud of you Watson. That's that's really cool. Yeah, it has become a rite of passage of sorts uh among us. People can endure this. It's an endurance test. I that it is, yes, I I I agree with that. And my son even said

Man, I I have to s at some point in my life make a movie just so that I know I can do better than this. Yeah. Well, absolutely. And and I'm I'm sure he could for sure. Yeah. So uh yeah, we had a good time, man. Yeah, and uh, you know, yeah, Jangel, everybody, the beast from the East, and it's it was just so funny. All those years ago, you know, I remember I was uh you know, working this job and listening to an old show called uh Horror Movie Podcast and just the the hearing you and Dr. Shock

busting up about this movie and ordering it on the spot, you know, online. It was just such a magical episode. And now all these years later I'm kind of a a sort of a a a background part of that adventure. Uh especially, you know, when you consider the trajectory of a certain Jan Gell D V D and everything that's going on with that. With this will be old news to you, you know, by now, folks, uh, you know, by the you know, when y you listen to me talk, but just today as of recording

you know, uh w you know, the uh a uh an episode of Jay of the Dead's new horror movies new new horror movies released where, you know, certain mysteries about that D V D get explained and where it's been all this time and it's it's pretty I highly recommend that if you haven't heard this So great. But you probably have. What's so n what's so amazing about that, and by the way, listeners, it's it's it's uh new horror movies over there dot com. It's episode one thirty eight.

Watson tells the tale. And what I love, what makes that extra magical to me, Watson? as we have the story of the original, you know, hijinks and tomfoolery that happened when we discovered Jangel. But now this is like a chapter two that you have you you have propagated and and sent forth into the

into the ether. So I'm just so proud of uh just I just love that we are I mean, I seriously think that our community of of buddies, I think we've s single handedly help this movie to have a little bit of a resurgence, no joke.

You I I you know what, buddy? I I don't doubt that. Seriously. Yeah.'Cause I've I know I've ordered it like three or four times. I've bought so you know, and I don't know if any listeners have braved that before, but Anyways, yeah, you can find it on D V D if y y'all so desire.

All right. Well, for my micro horror movie reviews, th it's gonna sound like I just showed up and I'm like phoneted in, but this is actually on the contrary. This is a little thing I prepared that I wanted to do for the listeners of this podcast specifically. And why of Horror Movie Weekly? Well I know that I am decades, decades late to the party.

of of, you know, falling in love with like true crime and all that stuff. And I remember, um, especially uh Susie, uh Projectile Varmint, she got a kick out of when I first discovered forensic files'cause like you know, it was like such old news and I was just like obsessing over it. Well, I have come to be I if I do say so myself. I I'm some something of a forensic files um expert. I can seriously, my kids like I've impressed them.

We'll turn on a TV or something and it'll be on the forensic files station, of course, and I'll hear two seconds. of whatever the episode is and I'll know what what what the murder was, who did it and all that stuff. And so I'm pretty proud of that. But they also have an official forensic files handbook. They have like a book. That's kind of a coffee table book that I've been wanting to order. I've been trying to make myself behave, but man, Watson, I'm very, very tempted. Anyways.

Just for fun, in case there's anyone else out there like me that's kind of a knucklehead, hasn't gotten into forensic files, I just thought I would do a little solid to the listeners of this podcast, because this is sort of the podcast where I like got so excited about forensic files, I wanna give you like um just kind of At least for this week. This week like five of my all time favorite episodes that are either like

super disturbing or haunting. Like these are forensic files episodes that are hardcore and they've stuck with me for one reason or another. And I'll I'll just tell you the title and and here's what's nice. I actually do this at work. I love this show so much, Watson, that I will type in And this is all you gotta do, listeners. In Google, you just type forensic files. And then you type the name of the episode. I'm gonna tell you guys episodes. For example

The first one I want to tell you is a voice from beyond. So if you Google that, a voice from beyond. forensic files, it'll bring it up and you can find it immediately on IMDB and like ninety percent of the time you can just click on freebie and watch it on freebie. And when I'm at work, I'm permitted to listen to things. I can't really watch things. So I just pull up a window and I have it off in the background, but I listen to forensic files all day while I'm working. And it's really fun.

So if anybody wants to do this, uh this is what you do. Uh a voice from beyond is incredible because what they do is Somebody's moving out of their house in like the suburbs and in the attic Or they just moved in one or the other, but in the attic there's this this steel drum, this barrel, and there's um there's been a a dead body in there for thirty years. My goodness. Thirty years. And and and just first of all, and this is how I this is how I do with forensic files.

First of all, just think of that. That there for thirty years there were people who lived and slept in this house, and for thirty years they had a dead corpse upstairs in the attic just rotting away.

Oh Watson, that's freaking creepy. Anyways Yeah Oh man. They actually show and these are all true stories, so I mean there's a part of me that's of course I wanna give respect to all the the families involved, there are terrible tragedies, all of these, but they do show, like, they give you a peek inside the barrel and it is so gross and unsettling. Anyways, it is remarkable. And what I love about forensic files is in forensic files

There's no unsolved mysteries. They're always solved. So that's what's super fun about this show for me, because you get to find out. who done it and how and blah blah blah. So anyway, that one's fascinating just to see how they come up with the answers to this 30-year-old mystery. So that's the first one, a voice from beyond. Okay. And um I'll try to move a little faster now. Here's one that really sticks with me. It's called

Skin of her teeth. And basically this is probably one of the most disturbing and most gruesome of all I've seen with in terms of the way that the killer was trying to um dispose of the body and get rid of the body. I mean this is like Not stuff. Like, I mean, it it's a l as a horror fan, I can't even imagine if I would think about it too much, Watson, it might give me nightmares, but it talks about how the dude he he sits he try I'll just give you a little little taste.

He's he's like scraping the flesh off the skull. He he's he he pulls out the teeth. like one at a time. I mean he does so much dismemberment of this corpse. Anyway, that one's called Skin of Her Teeth and that is a very upsetting story, so I recommend that one. I'll have these titles in the show notes, of course. And then this one, man, this is troubling. This one's called Smiley Face.

So if you Google smiley face forensic files, it'll bring it up here. And this nut job. Well, number one, this is a great episode. It's a great example for how how you just can't always trust. an eyewitness because I mean this is just really crazy how how certain this'cause one of the victims actually uh survives and and tries to ID this dude.

And she's so, so certain. And and so th it's a great example of that. But what's really freaky about this smiley face one is this nut job who who stabs women He stabs them and gets them all bloody and then he writes. He r he writes uh he draws a smiley face on their body in their own blood. Jeez. Brother, that's disturbing, right? Okay. Oh, yeah. Creepy. Okay. And now the big kahunas. These two are the most troubling to me. So buckle up. Okay. So this one is called Last Will.

Forensic files. Basically this sicko Freak show. kidnaps these girls and um and and the well the one girl is like a teenager and he has her write out her last will and testament and then he mails it to the parents and then he keeps calling the parents And and you can hear recordings of his voice and he sounds like a

freaking weirdo and and then there's another girl that he he does away with. But that one is the most chilling. It's kind of the most haunting and it's also one of the most fulfilling in the way that it ends. So so s yeah, last will was a must see, but buckle up'cause that one is hard. Okay, now, last last one. And this is my I mean I I probably have fifty favorites, but this is this one is one of this is probably the most just straight out like disturbing. It's like they they did what? Like

This one is crazy, um, because ba it's called Dirty Little Secret of Forensic Files. If you look for that and watch the whole thing, and it's funny'cause the show doesn't really focus in watts and on the depths of depravity that they go into. But if you listen and just pay attention to what they're saying these killers did. Basically it's two couples

This one couple's out on the town or out on vacation or something. They meet up with this other couple and they're hanging out and drinking for the night. And the couple that they the victims meet up with, they're just psychos and they it turns them on to do crimes together.

And so they they kid they murder this couple, but then the crazy stuff they do with their bodies is just in insane and I cannot believe yeah I I'll just leave it at this there's uh you'll know what I'm talking about when you get there I don't want to spoil it there but there's something pertaining to a hot tub you will not forget it you will not forget it So watch that one. It's called Dirty Little Secrets. So there there you go. That's five forensic files. Take'em to the bank.

'Cause they are all hardcore. What do you think, Watson? Oh man, yeah, th this sounds a little too hardcore for me, man. I I'll tell you what, just fr forensic files and these sorts of true crime things. Like I can I have a high tolerance for disturbing fiction and horror movies and that. Like I I you know, extremely high tolerance. But yeah. When it comes to the stuff that's true, dude, I am a baby dude. I I don't like I I don't know if I can handle some of this.

Yeah. I mean it it's it's strong, strong stuff.

Okay. Well, Mr. Watson here chose this week's feature review, and boy did he choose something very interesting and kind of unique and special. So uh Watson, let us know what you chose and why you chose. Thank you, Jay. Well this time around I chose a movie from two thousand seven called Sublime, and I chose it for no special reason other than I remember seeing someone on X

Say it was underrated. Uh since I'd never heard of it, I thought it might be a good candidate for the show, and now here we are. Yeah, that's right. So without further delay, let's move into our feature review of Sublime from two thousand seven. You're 40 years old. Your life. Happy birthday. So vivid. It's tomorrow you're worried about tomorrow. Bad memories.

Just a reminder, we don't reveal spoilers on this podcast unless we give you a warning first. Okay, Mr. Watson, take it away. All right. Well, Sublime is directed by Tony Krantz. And written by Eric Gendr Gendreson. Gendresen. It stars Tom Kavanaugh, Kathleen York, Kat Coiro, and features a young Kyle Gowner as the teen son of our lead. Uh Sublime is rated R for violence, language, and sexuality, and has a running time of one hour and fifty-three minutes. Genre-wise, it's

Psychological horror, hospital horror for certain, mystery, drama, thriller. What say UJ? Anything to add there? Yeah, I mean I think you nailed it. Yeah. D did you say body horror in there as well? No, I didn't, but yeah, definitely body horror for sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, good yeah, good addition. Uh as the film itself goes, Sublime revolves around uh Man named George Greaves, who after having turned forty years old.

goes to the hospital for a routine uh colonoscopy. But things go horribly wrong when George is mistaken for another patient with a similar name and basically from here we watch his George's world spirals out of control in this mysterious hospital. So Jay of the Dead, what are your opening thoughts of Sublime two thousand seven, my friend? Oh man. Well, first of all, Watson, I gotta tell ya, so the lead in this uh played by Tom Kavanaugh, I love that actor.

And the reason I love him is because in The Flash, CW's The Flash, in the first season He plays, and this is a mild spoiler for this season, but you find out pretty soon, he play he's the reverse flash. Oh okay. Yeah, and and I and I love that character in the first season. Now this same actor ends up through the rest of the flash seasons and they go downhill and they have him in a zillion different roles. Um sort of a la Eddie Murphy in the clumps. So

And that's unfortunate. But in season one, he is so awesome as reverse flash. Anyway, I love that actor. I think he's great. And I think he does a good job here. Like some of the delivery I'm like, yeah, if I were going through that's exactly what I would have said right then and how I would have said it. So yeah, I'm rooting for him. But no, having been in so many Hospitals and recovery rooms, so many post surgeries. Thank heavens.

knock on wood, I haven't had like there haven't been any um, you know, scary, huge mistakes with my treatment or anything like that. But I will say, Watson, That after every surgery, when I wake up, I'm always really disoriented and confused, and it feels like it takes forever to get out of that recovery room situation, and it's always extremely frustrating and upsetting to me. So so this movie actually gave me a tiny bit of

I was feeling it a tiny bit of PTSD. And after my worst surgery ever, in twenty seventeen, I got open heart surgery and I was in the hospital for like, I don't know, two weeks after that. I mean, it was insane. And and I remember like when my mom my mom was actually there in Cleveland, which is where I got the surgery. She was there most of the time, but she would go to a hotel at night and come back in the morning. But I remember just feeling like It took her forever.

to get back in the next day and I always felt like I was on my own trying to deal with these nurses and this hospital staff and they're always trying to do stuff to me and it's like What are you doing? Why are you doing this? So I mean, so much of this movie really resonated with me and it really It really got under my skin. So um great pick for a horror movie. I mean, I don't know if a lot of other people, if they didn't have those experiences, if it would hit them the same, but it sure hit me.

You know, thank you for sharing that. And I did want to ask you specifically as, you know, somebody, you know, you've you've shared, you know, and been been very open with the fact that you've, you know, been in and out of the hospital, you know, a lot in your life. I did want to ask if this movie, yeah, had any uh if those experiences rather had any effect on your take on this movie. Uh and so yeah, th you know, thanks for sharing that because I haven't

spent very much time at all in the hospitals as as little as I possibly can. And I it's A lot of it is could because of some of these fears. So I've had the exact opposite experience of you, uh, medically, but man, I'll tell you, this this just the the idea of these sorts of things is happening.

uh frighten me uh profoundly, brother. So um yeah, as for opening thoughts on the film itself though, everybody, yeah, this movie takes the viewer on a specific sort of ride. You know, there are twists and turns. You aren't quite sure what to make of the events

that are happening to George as he navigates his way through this strange hospital where nothing is quite what it seems I definitely enjoyed uh the story and how it was structured. You know, this film has quite the thoughtful script, and much of that is owed to these Uh conversations that George is having with uh the people around him. We get these scenes

In flashbacks. Jay, what did you think of these flashbacks? Did you find them interesting? Did they disrupt the flow for you? What did you think of that? Well I was grateful for those and I actually think that worked pretty well, at least for me, because number one, it gave me a little breather from from the hospital anxiety and because Since since our main character who we identify with, since he's he's so disoriented and so confused.

it it's very uncomfortable for me just as a film viewer setting aside all the hospital stuff, I hate not knowing what's happening in a movie. So I love when it flashes back to his fortieth uh birthday party because you get a little break from that and also There are things that happen at that birthday party that that sort of inform and give you more knowledge and more context for the hospital scene.

to understanding where this story ultimately goes. Mm-hmm. And y yes, and they do yes, they inform uh d they directly inform, you know, things we see visually and things that happen while George is making his way through and trying to figure out, you know, what's happening in at in uh Mount Abaddon Hospital. And I had a sense that things would go the way they eventually do. The story seemed like

It was aiming for exactly that sort of conclusion. Did did you pick up on that at all, Jay? Yeah, are you referring to where it goes in the end? Yeah. Yeah, however, I will say, um, well, actually, let me no, let me, let me re-examine my experience. I didn't a hundred percent realize. I mean it actually it kind of it ended up uh dawning on me and occurring to me, oh, so this is what's happening. And and then we get And I won't spoil anything. But we get this like sunny upbeat music and I'm like

This better not, you know. This better not, but but then but then I I finally saw the full vision of the film and I really appreciate what the film does. Ja, und... I agree with that. Yeah, same. You know, this movie's all about our inner fears coming to life and George's journey sees this happening in very literal fashion as these fears of his begin to come true. And we learn about these fears from these flashbacks from conversations he has and uh and and things that

No, yeah,'cause I don't wan it' it it it'd be very I'm trying to talk around something big. But basically these things come true and I began to go, Well, how is how precisely is it happening? This name of this hospital is leading me one way. uh you know because Mount Abaddon I'm thinking okay I I know that name and I you know that definitely has a certain connotation there yeah and I think

That's all I'll say. I I I it but it didn't go quite that way. I think that was a little bit of a uh red herring, if you will. Yeah. And and then it goes this other way. And that I was sort of thinking, okay, that it's gonna be Where it ends up, it's gonna be woven in somehow uh because I just I just had a feeling it would go that way and when it did it brought you know it's funny because um there's a name I could say

And because the this this uh uh of a particular medical case that was big in the I would say the early two thousands. And The if I I'm not gonna say this name because I think it'll give too much away, but this movie was directly inspired by this medical case where something has happened and these filmmakers were you know were like, Oh wow, what would it be like to be in this person's shoes?

in this person's mind as they're experiencing what uh they're experiencing wow medic medically. I'm not familiar with that medical case that you're talking about, I don't think. Okay. Yeah, it was big in the early two thousands and I I it's one of it's sort of a name I even though I was too young to really understand. uh what was going on. It it became very politically charged, uh I seem to recall.

And where the the left wing had, you know, one idea of what the right thing to do medically was for this person. And then it seemed the right wing had another message and and so uh you know, another uh another another way they they they would have liked things to go in. Well okay. I I'm I'm tracking it, but I'm tracking it, Jay. Yeah, it's going to r ruin I think the ending. And so yes um you know and

Speaking of politics, you know, which everybody loves, you know, I was as I was reading up on this movie I I discovered that You know, well first off, there were a lot of like pretty angry not a lot, but I would run into pretty angry reviews on like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes that were sort of uh bashing this movie's political message, I'm going I

I don't think I picked up on any of that and sure enough, uh you know, I was reading let's see, a a lot of interviews with the director, and it seems like this guy had a real political ax to grind, except Uh and I was just gonna ask because basically he's he very is very public about this being an anti war movie.

Mm. Like you know, he's very anti George W. Bush and anti war, you know, the Forever War is going over there and you know and and hey uh j hey hey hey Tony, uh Ton Tony Krance, uh it it gets better, buddy. It doesn't. Uh you know, the next guy uh got us in more wars.

Um than than the guy you don't like. So and uh anyway, but but but I'm just saying I didn't pick up on any of that. I'm watching this movie and when I'm reading this guy's interviews, he's you know, this is an anti war movie and I'm like Shh I don't d Jay, did you pick up on that? No, I honestly didn't.

But Yeah, I mean nothing about this movie says that to me and that's not listen, I'm about as anti war as it effing gets, and I none of that spilled out, even kinda looking back on it after having read that today, some of his interviews, I'm like Huh, I don't I'm reverse engineering it. I'm not seeing it. So that's that's just me. So if anybody was wondering, oh shoot, what oh no, a politically charged movie, it's like, I guess.

Well what's it's really interesting you say that because um And I guess regarding political sensitivity. I mean people could get wound up over just about anything, it seems. But but watching this movie, to me, I I wasn't like feeling any strong push. I just felt like he threw a bunch of

different spaghetti at the wall. Yeah. Um just just to kind of um bring up this issue, that issue. But it wasn't like any sort I didn't feel like he was pushing one agenda or another. I just felt like He was bringing up as you said a moment a little bit ago, which you said really well, like kind of manifesting our our internal fear. Yeah, and well and there are times where th those manifestations

do take a certain political uh or rather these are political fears, I guess you could say, that this character has. Yeah. And it's funny because it's n it's it reminded me more of uh Jordan Peele's Get Out, which was aimed specifically at sort of like upper crust like white liberal elites.

And it's like I you could to a way smaller degree maybe make the case that this movie was But uh, you know, taking aim at that, but it's like it it to my knowledge, like it seemed like it was the conservatives who were mad at this movie for some reason.

uh back in the day and it it was just kind of making me laugh. It's like, well this character they you know, they even do make mention, like, hey, you're a you know, a a a white liberal and here's a certain fear you have as a white liberal and s that comes to play through a certain character, but even that just seems more like a personal struggle that may or may not exist within George's mind, within George Greaves' mind, our main character's mind, and not something

uh that's meant to be saying anything with broad strokes about people in general. So I that's why I didn't get the political push. It seemed very personal rather than uh, you know, huge in in that pol political way that, you know, these issues usually are.

So I don't know. That's it's so yeah. You're right. Am I making sense, Jay? Am I making sense? Absolutely, yeah. I think w and correct me if I'm wrong, what you're trying to communicate to the li not trying, you are successfully communicating to the listeners that um that this It doesn't really feel at least to you or to me that this has any beat you over the head political axe to grind. And and I would cite Watson, like for example, in one scene, like uh

somebody accuses our lead character of being racist or something like that against African Americans or something. And and and and he's just like pfft you know, he he is so like dismissive of th don't be ridic you know, it's just like stupid to him. He doesn't even d dignify it with with an answer. And yet So there's that in one scene. And then in another scene We get this Spike Lee esque do the right thing like

racial rant, which is pretty incredible. Like the the writing in that is like I'm like, wow, they're they're really going for it on this. So I'm just citing those two instances to show that I feel like This filmmaker wasn't staying in one spot for very long. He was just hitting a bunch of different points.

Agreed and uh I I I completely agree with that. And speaking to this uh this uh accusation of racism uh that that kinda comes up, there's this character, and when we learned this character's name, I was like Oh no. And uh I I I'm just gonna say when you describe to other people in the hospital, like, hey, there's this nurse. who uh looks this way and has this name who might be up to no good and then yeah and I'm just like, oh that does not sound good. Yeah. I would not want to say that sentence.

Right. Right. That's right. I was laughing in my living room by myself, just like, oh, that's that's kind of funny. But again, it it's it speaks to Just as this whole movie does, little fears he has that begin to manifest in this hospital and thing that he has to deal with as he's You know? trying to get out of here as he's realizing, Oh man, I I think uh what's been done to me

i is is pretty horrible. Yeah. And uh so yeah, he's got the fears from without and the fears from within bubbling up and kind of surrounding him at this place and, you know, and one of them just happens to be vaguely you know, ki kind of politically charged. But y again, like like we've been saying, yeah, if you are out there and you're kinda like, oh no, is this gonna be some preachy movie one way or the other? No, it's not. Yeah, exactly. You know, speaking of language and and so forth

It's really interesting. Uh maybe for the first time ever. So there is a um there's a an expression. It is, and I know we don't this is a family friendly podcast, but uh so I'll just say son of a bee, right? There there's that there there's that expression. And I've off my whole life I've thought when someone calls someone else a son of a bee. They're technically insulting that person's mother.

'Cause they're saying you are the son of a bee, right? And so at one point someone is called a son of a bee. And and and the person who was called that says, I know you didn't just call me a bee and it's like, No, called your mom a bee you know, like I'm just like that was so hilarious to me.

So hilarious to me. Anyways. That is pretty funny, Jake. Uh but but I love the this movie. I mean,'cause I It just seems like something that Tarantino might discuss in one of his films or something that his characters would go over like the Royale with cheese or something. Just a little instance of that in this movie. Yeah, good observation there. That is very Tarantino esque. I I agree with that.

You know, h Jay, what did you think of the look of the film? The the film's aesthetic, because buddy, I'm watching this thing. And there was a movie that uh we did a while ago and oh I I cannot remember the name of it. It was one of your picks. It was new to me.

And I cannot remember the title. Uh it's an episode that's not out yet. And uh starring with uh Barbara Hershey. Oh, okay. Okay. Remember that one? Uh yeah, we we we did I'll be able to pull it up here in a second. I I remember one of my criticisms of of that movie you know, could be a made for TV uh like something you'd see on like the CW

in two thousand you know seven. Yeah. Yeah, because it has that look the way it's lit and color graded. It's yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's very bright. It's it's very hot. Yeah. It's very bright and and vivid and uh a little bit harsh even. Yeah. I'm I'm with you on that. So were you talking about the manor?

I think you were talking about the manner. Thank you. The manor. Okay. Yeah. And both the the yeah, both there and here it was just this like very TV quality, like television quality look to the film. And I admit that. Took me out a little here and there. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean even the opening especially the very opening scene w which is super, super loud and and bright and vivid. I'm like

Is this a horror movie? Do I have the right movie? Am I watching the movie that Watson picked? You know, it it's how it starts. Yeah, you're exactly right. And well And on one hand, so I agree with you a hundred percent, but I guess the positive side to it would be, you know, it seems like ninety nine percent of horror films

are very like dimly lit and and dingy looking and then you sometimes you can't even see what's going on. Well, you definitely don't have that problem in this film. So it's kind of a change of pace where that's concerned. But fair enough, yeah. That's that's true. That's true. You know, there is a conversation about dreams and what happens if you are you know falling in a dream and the way that Pays off the

I thought was uh highly impactful. What did you think of that? Yes, yes. And great and uh great pun there, Watson. And I know you're not even a pun guy, but but no no that that is really cool. In fact, I have to say the writing in this is is really effective in places. Like for example, my So I liked that, what you just described. And then my favorite aspect, and this isn't this is more of a a satellite story of swords.

Um there's this really nice story that he where he talks to his daughter he said yes to her when she was little and at age five and she didn't know why and and and and I know it sounds ridiculous right now but the way he explains it, I thought that was pretty moving. I'm like I don't know if I would do it that way, but you know, I still I was still impressed. I mean, I I'm like, that's a good little um emotional beat, you know.

Agreed and you know, I guess the writer of this film sat next to the director through the whole the whole movie, just every take, he was there. Oh wow, okay. So yeah, the writer and director really worked closely and I think that m most likely lends to the very thoughtful nature of a lot of what's going on.

Yeah. Yeah, I and and and honest I mean, probably most of the time I wish that's how it could be. You know? I I love when the writers you know, when their vision is realized and I it's weird, Watson,'cause it feels like I mean, maybe half of the movies nowadays are are done by the writer director. It's a writer director, it's the same person. Mm-hmm.

But anyway, that was a random just aside. But did you by the way, I just gotta say as a guy who's had many incisions, the incisions in this look real, absolutely real. And I really thought I betcha they found somebody who just had surgery and shot that incision. I mean, that looked so real. So if it if it was the makeup department that did that props,'cause I mean that that was right on the money.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. So Anyways, Yeah, well uh Jay, you know, because I I think there is a lot we could say that are spoilerific and I don't want to get into any of that. I think that, you know, to the degree that this movie should be seen. I think keeping that a mystery is a good selling point. So I'll just say that yeah, this movie does have, you know, a place it where it goes in its final act that kind of solves the mystery. And like I said, I I

I kinda saw it coming. Not like I don't think it's like the easiest thing to see coming completely, but I just sort of thought a logical conclusion might be this. And I kind of turned out to be right. So I'm saying that it's not predictable in a in a way, but where it went, I was like, okay, and I was uh, you know, not unhappy that it went there, you know. But oh there's my my phone ever the consummate professional. The but uh

Yeah, I don't know. D Jay, did you I don't know, w where this film goes, did you like that? Yeah, yeah. Uh I like that this movie packs a punch because it's a it's an upsetting ride. and it continues to carry the horror throughout. So I I respect it. I appreciate that about a horror movie. Yes. Yeah. I'm with you. Sweet. Yeah. Do do you have anything else you uh wanna say, any you know, uh complaints, any uh

Any more praise? Well, just two two random notes here. Um number one, I have never seen a a jello mold, like bunt you know, jello birthday cake made of jello. That was pretty cool. And you would think I would have seen one of those living in Utah because like this is the jello capital of the world. But Oh man. But uh and then the other thing is regarding colonoscopies.

Oh man. Let me just I'm not gonna go into a bunch of colonoscopy stories, but I do have a couple short anecdotes. Number one, when I used to teach Sunday school in my church I was kind of known for being the object lesson guy. And I would always bring various object lessons into the class. Um, and just to really spice it up so people weren't bored. And so I was pretty well received as a teacher.

Until Watson, I got a colonoscopy. They let me have the photographs of the inside of my colon and I brought that to class. And I showed it to my Sunday school class at church in order to incorporate it into a lesson and people hated that. And that was kind of the end of of their goodwill toward me as a Sunday school teacher.

That's a true story. And then and then I got two I got two more colonoscopy stories. Well, actually, oh this is weird full circle. Keep em coming, but Okay, I got three more. This is So special and weird when I really realized and embraced forensic files and kind of I had seen it one other time randomly and forgot about it. But when I really fell in love with it was I was staying at a hotel. doing all the awful prep and getting ready for the colonoscopy.

And I had in the hotel room I had forensic files on and that is when I fell in love with forensic files. So that was Colonosby related and it's funny'cause we came full circle there. And then two more stories. My most recent colonoscopy by the way, I you know, I'm almost fifty everybody, so don't judge me. I once you get middle age, you gotta get these like every five years or whatever. It's just what you're supposed to do. Anyway.

Yes, I hate it. But my most recent one When I went in there into the the room and and you know, you just have this gown on you and that's all and you know what they're gonna do to you, which is already awful and and hard to think about. But then the doctor walks over and she is first of all, it's a lady, and she is breathtakingly, stunningly drop dead gorgeous. That's not fair. And I I could have died right there on the table. And I'm like, I can't believe.

that I'm in this predicament with this doctor and she's so gorgeous. Anyway, that was awful. Last colonoscopy story. I can't believe I have so many of these. I love it. You're like top five Konoscopy stories of J of the Dead. This is so weird that I have so many of these. So our dear friend, a guy named Andy over on Movie Podcast Weekly, has as a lepidopteris. W his his his daytime profession, you know, butterfly doctor or whatever. He he has to remain on call.

He he cannot not be on call. And so he needed to get a colonoscopy because he's the same age I am. And um he couldn't go under unless he got a substitute lept lepidopteris to be ready on call. And so to do the colonoscopy with no sed sedation wide awake. And they're like, uh boy.

They're like, uh I don't recommend that. That's gonna be really uncomfortable. Well Andy Andy's actually a tough cookie and he has a pretty high tolerance for pain. I know this about him. But even Andy said He even Andy said he said, Yes, I did it with no uh I did it with no no anesthesia, but he said I was right up at my limit. Like I was right on the edge of being like, You gotta you gotta knock me out. It was like barely what he could take. Oh, and here's one more little PS to his story.

What is this? Six? He said 'Cause he was watching the screen the whole time since he was awake. So he was watching the um inside of his colon on the screen and And um there's this like he saw this thing and it was chewing gum. And he said, I have not had chewing gum for like two weeks at least, maybe three, and I swallowed it.

And the doctor's like, Oh yeah, gum gum stays in your system for for a while. So that was that was pretty freaky. So don't swallow your chewing gum, everybody. It's not food. Okay. That's enough.

Probably of that. And I I just I I like I like all this. I I really like this. There's gosh, I wish Monkey Bone were on the show right now. He's got a story I would really like for him to tell, but it's his story to tell. So I can't uh it it it has to do uh with this to a degree and uh I I just I buddy uh and he as he's listening to this but I'm not gonna do it but uh

Gosh, I want to. He would he he would kill me. Monkey Bone, you are invited on this show and have been many times. So yeah, for for for sure, for sure. Uh Well, you know, it it's also funny just the idea I can just picture you holding uh a kilonoscope. You know, that's the that's the tool everybody they they with the the the the flexible tube with the camera on it that, you know, does the procedure. And you talking about uh the word of God.

uh with with with this and you know how this you know we need the the love of God to be deep within us and and anyways, I anyway. Yeah, well I mean it it was it was photographs of the inside of my colon and it was very clean of course and but it was it grossed people out. They thought it was weird and I understand that now. I understand the error of my way. That that is great. I'm very happy about this. Uh things are going well. So um yeah uh

Anything else, uh, before we hit final thoughts and ratings, my man? No, people are sick of me by now. So Well uh yeah, tell us your final thoughts and ratings. Okay. Well I was surprised. I mean this the thing is this

film is pretty it's kinda long for a horror film. Yeah. I I think what is it? One hour, fifty three minutes. And it feels long, but I will say that the lengthy runtime while a bit unpleasant is actually it enhances the film because you it it it sort of m makes you feel that sense of

inescapability. At least that that was my experience. So I was already having all this anxiety, Watson, but then the fact that the film was dragging on and he couldn't escape and he's like stuck in this awful situation. And the film just keeps going. And that's not to say it was boring. It's not boring, but it does feel long. And I think that that actually helps it.

But anyways, yeah, I would agree with the sentiments that you had been hearing that that you read on X about this being underappreciated. I I bet that's true, actually. I would agree and all and I've gotta say I have not had, other than my colonoscopy doctor, I have not had a nurse Zoe. But I really want one of those and one of these days. She was she was lovely. But anyway, so yeah, I think this is I mean, especially if people have a fear of hospitals or procedures.

Man, this is a this is a creepy film that way and it it'll get under your skin. It gets under mine. So I'm giving this a I'm giving this a seven out of ten and I'm gonna call it a rental. Oh, very nice. Well, you know what? I am also at the seven in rental.

Right there with you. Yeah. And yeah, I just echo everything you said. I I don't want to sound like I'm just directly copying off your homework, but yeah, I agree with everything, including even that uh you know, sort of your feelings on the runtime. Now For a second watch, I imagine the runtime may become a problem, especially if you do know exactly where this is going, then everything

y y you know, won't the the the mystery itself does keep you moving along with it, even at an hour and fifty three minutes. But yeah, if if you know everything, I think this might be a tough uh you know, second or third watch. But on a first time watch, yeah, so that that's where I would say Seven rental a def a definite one time watch. Yeah, I I back you on the one time watch. I agree with that. So yeah, it's not a buy for me either. So I'm with ya. All right, Mr. Watson.

Thank you. That concludes our review of Sublime from 2007. That was a good pick. And uh stick around for a minute to hear more colonoscopy stories. Just kidding. We're gonna hear what Jay the Dead picks.

uh for an episode 182. But before we get there, remember you can leave a comment in the show notes at horrormovieweekly.com. Reach out to us on X at horror underscore weekly. And Mr. Watson, where can the listeners catch up with more of your of your work. Thank you, Jay. Watzy Party Horror Show with me and Dave Z and Jay of the Dead's new horror movies, new horror movies dot com. Me and the me and the boys over there. That's where you can find me. Me uh just

Podcasting with the the best of the best. It's it's all I do, you know. That's right. Well, thank you. And yeah, and I got uh considering the cinema, the weekly watch list, we got episodes rolling over there again, and then we got um all movie podcast weekly of.

Anyway, so okay Watson, this is crazy. One of my goals in picking these older horror movies is that I wanted to finally watch things that had always been on my list that I never never got around to so this is one of those it's a mild shame, you know, so I'm gonna correct that and get it watched for this, so I have not seen it. I've always heard great things and I think this will please Kaiju Nick. This is a South Korea slash Japanese joint

It is a Bong Jun-ho film, and it is the host from 2006. We get a kaiju movie. A monster emerges from Seoul's Han River and begins attacking people. One victim's loving family does what it can to rescue her from its clutches. Have you seen the host from 2006, Watson? You know, I think I saw it something like ten years ago. So I am overdue uh checking this one out. I remember being pretty positive on it and

I mean and it's always been rated high and uh so I I yeah, definitely wanna see this movie again and glad you picked it. Great pick. Well thank you. Yeah, and this is For those who might be wondering, I see this is streaming on Mac, um max dot com, HBO Max, and probably other places. But yeah, that's the host from 2006. watch along, listeners, so you can uh, you know, enjoy it with us in our

discussion next week. So I wanna thank Mr. Watson here for talking horror with me. It's a highlight and I'm really grateful for him and I wanna thank the listeners for hanging with us and helping us spread the word about this show. So on behalf of my main man, Mr. Watson, I'm your late-night horror host, Jay of the Dead, and you've been listening to Horror Movie Weekly, one badass horror podcast.