Horror Movie Podcast Ep. 225: Celebrating the 10-Year Anniversary of Horror Movie Podcast

Hey, this is Eduardo Sanchez and you're listening to Horror Movie Podcasts where we're dead serious about horror movies. Hi, and welcome to Horror Movie Podcast where we're dead serious about horror movies. This is a very special episode where we are celebrating the 10-Year anniversary of HMP.

Episode 1, launched on October 25, 2013, and we just recently hit the decade mark on October 25, 2023. Now to further hype this podcast party a little bit, this 10-Year celebration episode is releasing through the usual HMP feed, of course, as well as the feed for J of the Dead's New Horror movies.

So in case listeners over there think I've had a stroke and I'm doing the wrong intro for the wrong show, I'm not. This is truly a horror movie podcast episode, and as such is dedicated to all the listeners and the fans of HMP over the past 10 years. The president, owner and CEO of HMP, Pastor Matt Rollings has compiled these hosts this evening and invited us to participate so we can celebrate 10 years with all of you. So listeners, this one's for you.

And at Pastor Matt's request this evening I have the honor of moderating this episode and I am your emeritus host, J of the Dead, broadcasting from Pleasant Grove, Utah, and I'm excited to welcome our HMP hosts. First, we welcome the man who has resurrected Horror Movie Podcast, the Velasa Pastor himself, Pastor Matt Rollings, welcome.

Thank you, Jay. Look forward to this. This is going to be a lot of fun. Absolutely. Well, and also joining us for this episode will be Jackson, the Ripper, Jackson, Rollings. I don't know how he feels about that name. He might have vetoed that, but he was unable to record with us this evening, but he will be sending his contributions and will be inserting those through the magic of post production.

So we're happy. He wanted me to apologize. He Wolfman can appreciate this. He shot his, he directed, I should say, his first student film on Friday and he is editing tonight. He shot that he only had one day to shoot and he had a hundred degree fever and was coughing and and seizing and trying to stay six to 10 feet away from everyone.

And he said he wasn't ecstatic with the results, but he's got to edit basically all night and try to get a student film done by tomorrow. Otherwise, he would have been here. When it rains at pours, right? Exactly. By the way, that expression I didn't know this, it came from Morton Salt Company. K, same way is interested in that. Now I'm pleased to welcome one of the main hosts of HMP 2.0, the Night Stalker Nathan Bartoboff. Night Stalker finally finally have a name.

I was going to use Nathan the naked Night Stalker, but I didn't think you'd know of that. No, that's a totally different thing and that's not for this podcast. That's more fan of Galaxy App, you're darn it. Very happy to be here. Thanks, buddy. Thank you. And next we want to welcome another of the main hosts of HMP 2.0. It is vicious Victor, the Hellcat Rodriguez. Welcome. Hello, sir. I'm also happy to be here and I can't wait to get this going. Yes. Me too.

And then of course we will be hearing from the third main host of HMP 2.0, Blood Spray, Trey, Wet Stone. He's another host who could not record with us tonight. Blood Spray. Blood Spray, Trey. But we'll be adding his contributions as well. So you will definitely hear from him. Now we're going to move into the other Emeritus hosts of HMP and horror Eric is going to love this.

When horror movie podcast launched episode one on October 25th, 2013, this host was one of two gentlemen who were with me for that very first episode. You all know him as the wolf man. Welcome. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Yeah, listen. A horror movie is here. Listen, so we happy to hear from you. Thanks for being here. And for those who don't know him, our next HMP alum is a literal zombie expert. He's also the host of Dead Man still walking.

A zombie cinema solo cast and he's one of the horror Avengers over on J of the Dead's new horror movies. Welcome. Dr. Walking Dead Kyle Bishop. Hey, Jay, it's me. It's me. Remember me guys. Yes. No, no one remembers me. So I think it's only fitting that I am going to only be talking to you, Jay, because of my stellar record showing up HMP shows and recordings. Yeah. Well, you were extremely busy at the time as we've said before, but yeah. So let's just go in a little bit of a magic trick here.

Kyle wasn't able to record with the majority of us when this episode was put together. So he and I recorded together today, but I'm just going to insert him throughout the episode as if he is there with us. And so if he seems uncharacteristically quiet, yeah, and non responsive, like if somebody smacked talks zombies or something, you won't hear Kyle chime in at that time. Yeah, because my particular podcasting style is insertion. That's right.

I've made a career on being inserted into dynamic podcasts. That's right. You know, bring the energy down. That's me. And then next he joins us from episode two, the amazing but subtle one. And who is he? Dave. Dr. Shockbacker. Just a side filled out of the end. Dr. Shock. It's here. Yes. Thanks, but yeah. And then it's great to be here. It really truly is. You know, I wasn't there from the beginning of a champion, but I was there from what episode two? Yeah.

Yeah. Episode two. Yeah. 99.9%. Yeah. Right. Exactly. I can't quite claim total ownership because Kyle was there before me, but I love being part of a champion from episode two on. You're definitely on the most episodes of any of the hosts. Yes. Yeah. True. Absolutely. Well, maybe I might have been absolutely worth. There's no question. I think it's safe to say you're probably also the one most bleeped out. Yeah.

And you want Nathan, I take pride in. I love my favorite parts. Yes. Okay. And now last, but certainly not least. And now that my voice has dropped to octaves, want to welcome her resident Florida man, our real life cartoon character, the Gilman Joe Robertson. Here's a reason why your voice has dropped. It's because podcasting with me is like going to see the expendables for the first time.

That's more hair on your gonads just due to the levels of testosterone, pumping through that cinematic marble, right? As you will when podcasting with me. Now, and all seriousness, thank you, Jay, for doing this. I feel bad. I couldn't be there. I honest to God was not feeling good. And I know for me to say low energy by probably my most people standards.

At least when I podcast, there'd be like, yeah, low energy from Joel, that would have been great. But Joel was feeling down that day, both had a couple of kids that were under the weather blah, blah, blah. Needless to say, I'm sad I missed it. I'm sad I missed Wolfman. I'm sad I missed Doc. I'm sad I missed. I'm trying to know my knowledge of all the gauge like every single person that was on that episode.

But you know what I mean? All of this. Yes. Everybody. The opportunity for like to be there kind of with the core group. I am sad that I missed that. That being said, I am very thankful that you give me this opportunity to disappoint you yet again. Of course. Yeah. And I, you know, I told the people you're kind of like the real reason we have you, you know, singled off here by yourself.

You're kind of like one of those bed of fish. You know, you get to keep them by himself. Are you calling me beta? No, bro. He will be. He will bite the other hosts and I just really like what do they call it a beta fish when it's freaking like aggressive. You know, the whole like being a beta is sort of like your mild and. Here's the thing. I looked this up. Joel. It's actually because I called it beta my whole life. But I'm like, you know what? I want to make sure I get this right.

And they spell it with two teas. And I'm like, surely not. And then they say I did a pronunciation. They said, better. So. Okay. Well, better. Okay. So. It's a better. It's a better fish than others. Sometimes Joel is better off by himself. Okay. We're going to get underway in just a minute. I promise back when we recorded the passing of the torch show, which is episode 219.

We spend a lot of time reminiscing on memory lane about HMP. So we won't spend too much time doing that again tonight because we have a great episode planned where you're going to hear our thoughts on some tremendous horror films. So get ready to jot down some gems. But we could take a minute. If anybody has something to say about reaching a decade of horror movie podcast. So anyone have anything to say about that?

Well, I will say, you know, Jay knows I call him the pod father. And he told me when I named him that he said, Oh, you know, people were doing it before me. And there was this cat. There was this podcast and this podcast. I said, yeah, but your idea for HMP, Jay, where you took it, you know, you and Wolfman and Dave and Joel, you guys are the ones, especially you, Jay, that launched 1000 podcasts.

And I remember Wolfman at one point you said, our listeners now have so many podcasts. I can't keep up with them. And, you know, and it all goes back really to to HMP. I know that Jackson, you know, we were a part. He was in Virginia and I'm in Ohio and and Jackson wanted to do a podcast because he loved HMP so much. And so we started father and son watch horror because of that. And so cheers to HMP. I'm a T totaler. But if I had a drink, I raise a glass.

Nice. Thank you. I just wanted to say, yeah, communities are very important, especially with things that we love in our case horror movies. And I'm sure we have a lot of other things in common. But this podcast was very instrumental in getting me settled after my big move to the Pacific Northwest from sunny Los Angeles. So thank you for that. And it absolutely helps to have a support system whenever you're going through an Odyssey, a life change of any kind. So, yeah.

I'm really happy to be here for that. Yeah. I know exactly what you mean, Victor. The slash film cast was that for me. And by the way, it was Wolfman who introduced me to the slash film cast, which is how I learned about podcasting. And so yeah, I know. I know what you mean about having a show to listen to. Thank you. I just looked this up real quick. I mean, this is not exhaustive. But horror movies that were released on October 25th.

Of course, was ghost ship in 2002. But that's outside of our 10 year range. So during the 10 year span, there were only two Fridays that fell on October 25th. And of course, that was the first Friday when this launched in 2013. And the movie that released that day was toad road. So I am not road. I don't know what the hell that is. I don't know either, but supposedly kind of like Blair Witch project on shrooms. Well, it wonders around sort of days.

Yeah, right. Yeah. So that was that one. And then the other one was in 2019, a little film, which I did see called countdown. That was released on October 25th. So I thought that may or may not interest no one. But anyways, no, Jade, interest us to a point. Okay, good. And as promised, at this point, we'll welcome Jackson to the show by inserting his pre-recorded thoughts about celebrating 10 years of HMP.

Hey, everybody, Jackson Rowling's the sun here. And I am so excited to be a part of the 10th anniversary of horror movie podcast. For those who don't know me, I started listening in 2017 when I was 14 years old. And from that point on, I couldn't get enough. HMP inspired me to start a podcast with my dad called Father and Son Watch Horror Movies. And I mean, you can see we were taking cues from the simplicity of the horror movie podcast branding there.

Anyways, here we are seeing the resurrection of horror movie podcast featuring the host Samaritan and three new horror critics at the helm. And I couldn't be more honored to have played even the smallest part in that. Yeah, I think it's just exciting, you know, 10 years of horror movie podcast and getting the whole gang back together is pretty pretty cold, the old and new. So I think that's a really cool thing. Yeah, I agree.

I would say my primary point about the 10 years of HMP being that I sort of like to say I'm like the Priscilla Barnes, the Terry on three company. I had to replace Chrissy. That would mean you were Suzanne Summers in this particular analogy. Okay, so you're welcome. Okay. I'll let him say Priscilla Barnes, no slouch. Oh, yeah, we're clear on that. Right. But, but it's that character. And I think was it Nathan. I think Nathan said no, I see you more as Mr. Furley to the ropers.

Which by the way, I love that I make your references. They're probably over half the audience. Yeah, these are these people. Yeah, it's a call a show called three companies kids. Three company. Look it up. They got to remember we're old. Okay. Yes, a little bit, a little bit. So anyway, point to you. Although to be fair, that show was kind of old, even for us. Yeah, true.

It was like a little kid watching this indication. So the point is three company reference aside, I feel like I had to come in as a co host and fill some very large clown shoes, i.e. yours. And that was not easy. So I didn't even try. I just was like, I'm just going to be me and people will love it and or hate it and probably mostly hate it.

But that's okay. I was just happy because I loved Wolfman. I love Doc. I love podcast with those guys. We had done the universal monsters cast thing together. And they were always good to me. So it was a pleasure to be a part of it was not always easy sailing. It was it was a I felt like with doing HMP like all my other podcasts.

I'm not saying that I have asked them. That's not a correct. That's not a correct way of putting it. Right. But the level of like homework. I sometimes felt like I needed to put in for HMP was far more substantial.

Like I felt like the standard was significantly higher, at least for myself. No one actually said this to me. He's like, oh, you make sure you're not it wasn't like that. But for me, I just felt like, okay, I'm legit going to walk to really pay attention and watch this movie in depth and take notes as opposed to say when I'm covering something like a no name norm on Richard movie geek.

Where I'll say I pay attention so that I can get you know quotes like nice popos and stuff like that. But I wasn't really doing it the level of homework. So needless to say, it was extra effort in that regard. But it was worth it because HMP fans were awesome. They listeners. They always just were cool. And we're so embracing of me even being there, which I was always very, very grateful of.

And no, it was just on to do this. It's just an honor to be nominated. So I am just happy that I got to be a part of something because I'm the kind of person. I'm sure I've told the story good J in time. So sorry for doing the old man thing that every old man in my life does. It seems like well certain specific ones that always tell the same four stories over and over and over again. But when I got my little short film into that fingery up a lead drive thing name dropped.

Yes, obviously God, if people think I'm full of crap, I just just getting my literal like one sentence. I met my name was mentioned in a single sentence and an article in Fagoria. It was and I said I have I may have multiple copies of that issue and I may every time I go to a con and I find it I may buy those issues. And let's say she's like $10.

And I'm like, I don't need that bad. I will buy them. And because it was just like I knew just being connected to it in some way. And since with HMP, I was a fan legitimately a fan prior to being on it. So I list that was one of the I I was people who I often on listed a podcast and back then I was working a regular job like the other Shmoos.

And so I had a typical commute and all that kind of stuff. So I listened to a ton HMP and I was just a fan. I loved you guys. I mean, I knew you guys also it was also kind of weird, right? To be a fan of a show and you're also friends with the people who do it. But yeah, I was a legit fan. So to be a part of it was very much just an honor. Even even for the couple of years, I got to do it. So that is my take money to be 10 years from a very, very selfish point of view.

Thank you. Dr. Kyle Bishop. We launched horror movie podcast episode one on October 25th, 2013. And you are on that very first episode with Wolfman and me. What are your thoughts about HMP's 10 year anniversary? Well, it's shocking. I was living in a different house. I was married to a different woman. I was at a different point in my career. And some of my horror tastes were different.

Since then, I've seen a lot more horror movies and I've learned from the greats yourself included. And I'm happy to be fully capable of being a competent horror podcast host. But that's about me about the show. I've mentioned this before, but I did not realize the tremendous gift I was given to be part of of horror movie podcast.

Sorry to brain aneurysm. HMP is a thing of legend and people have talked about it. I've heard other people talk about it. And I'm thinking, wait, do they mean that show? I started that I was on for a while. It's like, oh, damn it. So I said, I wish I had been in a different place than I wish I'd been able to be right there with everybody for every episode.

Because through that made so many good friends and networked and learned so many great things. And then I had to take an extended leave of absence from podcasting in general tragically. That's when HMP really had its stride. So coincidence, no, no, say, but I think it's, I think your brilliant naming strategy much maligned has proven itself value.

And I just think it's great that a show like that could bring so many different people from around the world together to share their common love of this thing that bonds us, which is, you know, horror, terror, scares, grossness, blood cuts. Social commentary. So I think I think you did some really great work. And I am so thrilled to be involved in the follow up iteration.

But I mostly thrilled that this podcast has been resurrected, brought back from the bed, and that we can now be reaching out to a whole new group of people and new fans and really connect. Hey, this is Eric from Long Island. You'll listen to the par movie podcast with a serious about horror movies. Alright, so moving into this, here's the preface. The Velasa pastor was kind enough to give me the freedom to put together any kind of episode I wanted to celebrate with this.

And so I decided to pose three different questions to our panel of HMP hosts. All three questions will require an answer of one horror movie, but here's the catch. Horror movies that we answer from, they all have to be films that were released between that 10 year period of HMP's existence. So we don't necessarily have to cover or mention a film that was covered on the show, of course, it could be any horror movie released during that time. So here is question one.

What horror film has haunted you the most and we're going to kick it off with Pastor Matt. I thought it's a great question. I thought a lot about this because I apparently being a preacher's kid. I don't know. I got cynical early. It's hard. I was trying to remember the last time a horror film scared me and honestly, I think it was when I was 11 years old watching Friday 13th part two that film for whatever reason, Sachead, Hillbilly Jason still scares the crap out of me.

I don't know why maybe it's because I grew up in Appalachia like you Jay and surrounded by hillbilly with potato sacks. And so it seemed like something that could happen. It just scared the crap out of me, but as far as like haunted, I have to go with because I know this sounds weird and especially to our listeners. I know a lot of people will think this is crazy, but I don't believe in ghosts because of my theological beliefs, but I do believe in demons.

And so I Friday 13th part two scared me the one that I thought about probably the most because of some past experiences as a pastor's kid and as a pastor. And I saw this film at midnight with like four people in the theater late.

And you know, it was just I was the whole place was desolate and it was paranormal activity. I thought a lot about paranormal activity since I saw it in the theater. So I know that goes beyond 2013, but that's that film just because of my aversion to experiences with people with weegee boards and with trying to contact all that kind of stuff. And because I do believe in the demonic that movie has haunted me. Yeah, great pick did any of the subsequent sequels bother you by any chance.

Yeah, not as much I did like I thought part two and part three were good. I thought they were they were decent. I think all the sequels have been OK. I think it's been a fairly solid series, but that first one I remember just sitting in the theater, like I said, there are only three or four people in there. And I was at the very back.

And so it's midnight and I'm watching and I remember thinking what I was doing and thinking about the experiences I've had with people who either claimed or their parents claimed somebody was demon possessed or people have been messing around weegee boards in the occult.

And having gone through all that kind of stuff I told one story last time or recorded that hopefully Nathan can salvage two stories one when I was a kid when I was a teenager being a creature's kid of kind of experiencing this stuff and I've had some experiences since I remember sitting in that theater thinking somebody could be watching this and it could be some kind of trigger and I remember looking for the exits.

I'm wondering how to get out if something went down so and that's the only time in the theater I've ever done that and so you know, yeah, I like the series, but the first one really just freaked me out. That's him right answer. Thank you, Pastor Matt. Okay, you'll man Joel then out of the decade they were talking about of HMP what horror movie has haunted you the most and why? Okay, this one honest to God, this was the easiest one of all of them for me the easiest. It's a red it Terry from 2018.

That movie jacked my brain up in a way that I should have rewatched it and it's weird because I don't I thought like I you know McCorn has man I'm not scared to watch the movie like when I was a kid you know me like okay I saw pieces at 13 and it traumatized me and then I just avoided it for years and years and years and years and years I kind of think you never ever slept in a water bed after that I never slept in a water bed I never involved a chainsaw and any of my daily shenanigans yes exactly I certainly I certainly was careful when putting together my duty puzzle.

I was just trying to gather my newty puzzles around the parental fingers that's true but that aside I just hereditary I wasn't I don't know what I was expecting I wasn't really expecting anything I went into it and I was by myself in the theater and I just I have not in my adult life had an experience like that and I get that didn't affect everybody

a lot of people did like a certain key moments in it were really traumatizing but it was just so upsetting you know what I mean it was like it was weird because there's movies in the past that I watched that he just

like a gross after watching you know you're like okay I don't know that I didn't feel gross it was weird it was a really weird balance I think I asked her struck a really great balance with that movie in particular really disturbing really upsetting really just the huh but at the end I didn't feel

gross I just felt like God it sticks with you doesn't it to this day I might my my my wife loves like possession movies and different things like that so I think on some of us you like it but I still can't even bring myself to like have for a watch I would

feel bad for having her sit there like you know what I mean so she hasn't seen it and you feel like it would be the extra scissors one of our all-time favorite movies so it's not like she can't hang you know what I mean brother yeah you've got a

perfect anniversary present so honey I've got a real gift free yeah ladies with gentlemen may I just stay this is the guy who I know longer Mary and this information that's true that's true that's true that's really it's like I'm bringing you all down with me yeah oh go on your anniversary your 30th anniversary was this year weeding your wife show her her red it but really build it up calories like a love story and it's core hey and if she set you a flame by the end of the

then all I have but if she has it I'll know it's gonna last that's right but yeah I know her and it's a real is my pick for that one it was easy literally I was like as soon as I saw that was one of the questions I heard it's a easy yes yes her and it's a 2018 is my pick for traumatic event of the last decade exceptional pick and that was my B plan for what I picked all right wolf man which horror movie has haunted you the most I thought

a lot about this I there are a few different ways to go within I guess the idea that haunts me most is demonic possession kind of like what pass from out was saying and so long for the listeners of the podcast will know that one of the several movies that I always refused to watch was the exercise I was so scared to watch that movie and when I finally did watch it became one of my favorite films but that's still that idea of possession that's something was gonna get in here and take over

the conjuring movies were big ones but they didn't really haunt me was almost tempted to go with talk to me from this last year because it really is simple as it was really free to me out but it hasn't been around long enough to haunt me so I'm gonna go that opposite direction and go with one that's I don't know more practical in nature and that's a green room that would be as haunted maybe because it's so similar to the types of experiences that

me and a lot of my friends had growing up playing these bands and traveling around and it's like the film that I could imagine happening to like somebody I know and but taking to the most extreme place I guess and so that's one that freaks me out and as non traditional as it is in horror some people might not even consider a horror like every cut of the knife I feel on that movie like every injury in that movie feels

visceral and real and in the moment and then scared the crap out of me and freaks me out and when I think about it thinks about like I could have wandered into that as a 17 year old and you know had it go really sideways hey wolfman where did you grew up outside of Utah right I kind of grew up all over the place but I did grow up in Utah for part of part of my where you in ever and like I guess what they now call it journalist call the

great redout was like Eastern Washington the panhandle of Idaho that kind of area I did live in Idaho for a little while and I have family in Washington and Oregon so we spent time in that area for sure and court of the court of lane Idaho was like a place of legend that was terrifying to all of us brown kids that lived in that air that's what I was getting to I read all I just recently read a book about all of these people

moving into that area and a lot of them call themselves kin assists or something like that and they say they're they're not racist they just don't want to be around people with different cultures I'm like okay it sounds sounds racist to me but but and they're like all these and they started in like 80s moving into like Idaho and and Eastern Washington and so forth and I always wondered if that had

any kind of effect on you you look at that movie I was in the punk scene growing up and skinheads infiltrated the punk scene just because they liked similar music basically you know they're going to grow out of the hardcore punk hardcore scene and so there were always clashes with skinheads and concerts you know there would we was fist-knit skinheads a lot and then there were the I don't want to offend any skinheads out there right now and this is apparently anti racist skinheads why not?

There are a group of skinheads that consider themselves anti-racist but they're just into the fashion of the music and so but for my that is that is bizarre yeah but for my money it's like well I'm not taking any chances so if you're wearing the outfit you're getting knocked out that's just yeah it's just like somebody saying you know I wax like I hate Hitler I just like wearing a swastika I mean that's just not lactose and tolerant I can't drink milk

I hate Hitler mustache anyway so we had a lot of skinhead run-ins and a cortalane I don't know it's hard to create an internet especially like to know what was actually real but I remember hearing that the owner that there was a huge neo-nazi skinhead group in cortalane and they're very well

documented neo-nazi groups in Seattle and Portland as well but like carrying the in cortalane Idaho there was there was like a training ground for skinheads and that the owner of Carl's Jr. had sent all this money there to help with the recruiting and training efforts

and I just remember hearing that as a kid being freaked out I don't know if any of that's true but watch our backs for sure wow yeah we're like the punks in front of 13th part 3 is it they show up and yeah yeah yeah we can watch our back you get a pitch for it through the chest

at least those punks were not racist yeah well green room's a great pick Wolfman thank you I when last year I recently have shown that to two different people as a new horror movie for them good pick so dr bishop yeah what horror movie released during HMP's ten years has haunted you the most

and tell us why this was this was a challenging question because honestly so many of my favorite horror films predate HMP and so trying to figure out okay what happened in the last ten years what was it that really freaked me out and I was thinking it was a dark

and lonely night in 2015 and I had been I had been ousted from my home and I was living in a new small bachelor pad was late at night I was the only one in the house had my iPad charged and ready to go and I said you know what I'm going to stay up late in bed

and I'm going to watch a horror movie headphones on lights off by myself what could go wrong and I pulled up this little gem by Robert Eggers called the the Vitch has a great to call it yeah the which a new England folktale it seemed a pretty innocuous at the time

and I had not really been familiar with Eggers work but I like any a Taylor joy like every sane person on the planet and I thought I'm going to give this a try and it spooked me so bad you know late dark alone because first off I was just scared at the thought of living

in this time period right living on the frontier in in kind of New England period tanical times is pretty terrifying the family the family values the belief system living in those conditions in that squalor the hard work that was all pretty scary but then we get to the the kind of famous peekaboo scene yes between Taylor Joyce Thomas scene and the baby and the baby suddenly being gone and of course as a father that chilled me that just chilled me right out of the gate and then that thought

because I have a misplaced a child don't have a son yes I lost a child in the Frankfurt airport for a brief period and I remember that panic and that fear of oh my gosh where is this family member where is this young charge where is this person so I was on edge and then when we get the I'm going to go out on the limb here and say one of the most disturbing the pictures of witches on the screen and man I've said somewhat infamously right that when when animals and children are in peril you're

in you're in true horror territory yes but I've got to say when we're talking baby that's a whole new level yeah horrifying and what happens to that baby and what happens to that family they're out and they're after and and then let's just

not neglect the goat right I love goats I think goats are hilarious but goats can be terrifying oh that's funny and this is the this is the first scariest goat in film history the second one is in a win evil works okay new film yes also scary goat right so yeah thinking back over the

last ten years I've seen a lot of great horror films and a lot of cool horror films I mean one of my favorites is barbarian which I think is a brilliant brilliant movie that I like to think about but the witch scares me and going back to revisit that is scary I've only watched it twice and it was just a scary the second time and I will say that that last five minutes that stuff will haunt you for a long long time yes yes well excellent fixer and I I

couldn't agree more okay now we're up to Nathan which horror movie has haunted you the most okay and I like Jay that you wrote haunting there in that question because did make me think a little bit harder but in a certain sense I just kind of laid it on the table and said okay like Matt said earlier I don't think I get freaked out or even scared or even that disturbed by many horror movies I think is someone who saw horror movies when they're very young what tends

to happen is people tell you it's not real and they point out all the ways it's not real so instead of growing up the range to grow up and become a film critic because that's all you look at the aesthetic of things so it was easy to look across the what movie you know a really freaked me out in the movie theater and then be what movie did I continue to think about it it might seem like an odd choice but in 2014 I had an opportunity to go to as a critic at the

time and I went to a scary movie I think it was called spooky movie festival actually not spooky flicks fest but it was in silver spring Maryland and they did it for several years and one of the years there they were showing I went down

to see a girl walks home at lonely night but the second movie was the Boba Duck Jennifer Kent's the Boba Duck from 2014 and that's that's the movie I can't remember a film then last 30 minutes I was probably you could say visibly like affected by it I was kind of moving around in my seat I was

feeling very anxious I most of the time you can clearly see where a film is going to go but in that particular incident I really didn't and I was involved in it there are a couple of factors that would contribute to that one of them being at the time in 2014 I had a two and a half year old and a six

month old and so anyone who seen the film knows that kids are central to that but this movie does something different and it's divided a lot of people I think by this one element is that no one wise when it plays the little boy in the film is very surface level unlikeable beyond unlikeable to the point of almost

irritating actively irritating and yet you see s.y. Davis who's fantastic in the film is his mother they've been through trauma she's trying to care for him and it's very rarely in a film where you get you know kids are always off limits but here we see this kid is someone who is potentially hard to love this mother is trying her best and she is also coming up against wall and I feel for the kid too he's an outsider he doesn't he's very young to be processing all of his emotions there's

all this stuff going on and then anyone who's seen the film there's that possession element the thing I'm most afraid of in life is probably losing my mind in such a way that harms or does detriment to the people I care about and so the last third of that movie goes really hard I think in terms of watching a parental figure turn on the kid and most of the time we see this in a film even the film like the shining we see it kind of from the kids point of view and here

most of the film is from the mother's point of view who eventually reaches a place where she's saying and doing horrible things and we've even seen a flash frame of this kid dead and so no idea what's going to happen at the end at this point in time literally the during the weeks when I saw this film my son who was to started like and this is I now know it's a common thing to have it's a kids started stammering when he tried to say words but it would go on for

minutes at a time until his head got so red you can see the frustration on his face and it happens kind of funny not the frustration but watching kid you know stuttered tries to say something like you know like stammer like saying octopus and I go ock ock ock ock well when it continues until the face gets ready start to feel concerned and you're sad for them when it continues for like a week and a half not that same word but continually and you begin to

wonder is this going to be a constant thing is this going to be down the road something that creates a block of communication and eventually you get the point when you hear that ock ock ock ock ock ock in the background and all that's just a thing because I want that sound to stop and the fear this

idea that somewhere within yourself you have the ability to turn on your child or turn on your loved ones I can't think of a film that did it better to the visceral lengths that the bobadook goes to and then the haunting aspect is that there's a scene towards the end where there's

hands wrapped around a neck and then you see hands come up and touch the face like in an effort to to gate get comfort to get their mother and yet it's just crazy so the last scene of that film to that shows that hey maybe anyone who's ever dealt with any kind of mental health issues and

at someone who in a in a kind of low key way has it's it's amazing to see that final scene that says something very different from those horror films in terms of that so that's that's my pick the bobadook ock ock excellent gamey chills during that description you really did good

pick yes thank you and I remember on the age and p episode where we covered that in the end in the spoilers I remember wolfman and everybody else dog who everybody else who was on that episode kind of opened my mind to it and I had this little breakdown on the show sort of anyway great pick

all right tray let's do insert what horror movie would you say has haunted you the most yeah jay this was a bit of a tough one because it's kind of I know we've watched so many horror movies it's kind of hard to get scared anymore get really feel dread but it does happen every once in a while

and one in particular I think of and that still kind of scares me now I haven't rewatched this since it came out but still kind of shakes me up a little bit when I think about certain parts of it I think it's because of the you know just the nature of how the movie was shot

and how it's put together and that is the black coat's daughter by haus Perkins directed by haus Perkins there's something about that one that just feels a little not right and you know I remember they're being this kind of shadow figure and it's almost a lot of

the times you can show me all these monsters and sometimes it's cool sometimes it's not but you show me a little shadow thing move it in the corner and sometimes that's more effective than having to have you to full on monster but I really liked that film when it came out

like I said I need to revisit it but Keirnin Shipka and Emily and Emma Roberts Roberts yeah I think they're both great in it and I think Keirnin Shipka especially plays this kind of the way her character just acts and behaves is kind of haunting so

one's always stuck in my mind is something that just doesn't feel quite right or quite natural and yeah I know there for a while after I'd watched it initially I was still thinking about it and still kind of scaring myself so I think that's good as pick as in me

yes that's an excellent pick and there is definitely a darkness to that film so I could I could see how that would certainly be a haunting pick yeah thank you okay the amazing but subtle one Dr. Shock which horror movie has haunted you the most all right I'm going to go with a movie from

2015 called The Devil's Candy this movie stayed with me the most it did the first time I saw it it affected me but it was the follow-up watches that affected me even stronger you know it's one of those things where you think you know you figure out a movie

and you know you watch it and it's just going to be okay it's not going to affect you as much that was not the case with The Devil's Candy the Devil's Candy affected me more or rewatches than it did the first time I watched it and the reason for

that was I cared for the family at the center of it played by Ethan Embry and you know there was something about that family where I cared about them more than I realized it's the Polta Geist effect from 1982 Polta Geist for me the great thing about that movie was

what Steven Spielberg did with that family where you cared about that family for me the Devil's Candy that was that movie where I cared about that family more the second time around that I did the first time around and it just stayed with me it really stayed with me

because you know it's funny because I knew what that family was going to go through but it didn't matter because I didn't want to see them go through that I love that family more the second time than I did the first time Ethan Embry is great in it but all and the whole family is good

but man for only having what maybe he's got five, six, ten minutes of screen time he doesn't have much he really doesn't have much to do with Taylor Vince oh man, he's just he's incredible Taylor Vince is the one who made that movie what it was for me

because he made you sort of dislike that character but understand where he was coming from and he's like that he did that in identity too which I know when you're not the biggest fan of that movie but just his performance he does have that ability to do a mix of he can do sympathetic and he can do creepy you know very quickly. Incredible actor.

We did at the time we did a heavy metal horror episode and we interviewed Sean Burr and the director and Ethan Embry the actor on that episode so that was a fun one of people our fans of that movie and for that episode it's a good one yeah and that was one of the movies that made me realize I got to stop judging movies by their title because I wasn't going to watch it because it was called The Devil's Candy and it's so good sorry. You would have missed out big time. I'm glad I went out.

I can't state it up. Yeah then I'm like oh no this is right. This is right. He still likes gutter balls though. That's true that's true. He can't help myself. Okay now we're ready to hear Jackson's recording where he answered our first question. Here's Jackson. So I've got a few excellent prompts in front of me from none other than Jay of the Dead and I say we just get right into these. First of all the most haunting horror movie of the last decade.

I mulled this one over and I think I've come to a conclusion here and that is Possum from 2018. Possum is a film that wears its influences on its sleeve I would say. Namely David Cronenberg Spider though in my opinion Possum is actually more haunting than I guess what you could call it spiritual predecessor. If you're not familiar, Possum is about a puppeteer returning to the town where he grew up or he's confronted in a way by trauma incarnate.

It's a bleak watch I will warn you but it's very effective. So if you're looking for something that will absolutely ruin your day, Possum is the film for you. Okay, a vicious victor which horror movie has haunted you the most? Well I would say one of the scariest things in life is when you remake yourself. And let me just explain like going through a change that could be something like puberty or marriage or moving to a new neighborhood or something like that.

Like any sort of reinvention of yourself is very stressful and anxiety inducing. So I figured the reason I am haunted by the movie so much is because it's a great horror realization of that idea. And that movie is also from 2015. It's called the invitation. Oh yeah. Yes. It's a low budget but really in film directed by Karen Kusama who did, you know, she's one of the creators of yellow jackets that show on showtime. She did destroyer and I think girl fight may have been the realest movie.

Yellow Jacks. It's good. Yeah. So the basic premise of the invitation is this dude Will who's played by Logan Marshall Green has over a tragedy separated with his woman Eden who's played by Tammy Blanchard and he's, you know, Will is bringing his new girl friend to their old house which is now owned or controlled by Eden who is throwing a huge celebration like a dinner and she wants everybody to hang out. And Will goes to, he's uneasy about attending this event.

You're not really sure why but during the course of things stuff starts getting a little weird and what I really, admire about this movie is you're not really sure until very late in the film whether this is an unreliable narrator situation like if Will is sort of losing his grip on reality or if everybody else at the party is strange is really strange.

Either way, it's a great film but anyway it gets really, really intense and for me the emotional climax of the movie is when Will says to his girlfriend they're just people. It is absolutely chilling the way that's used in the film. But in any case I really got to take my head off to Miss Kusama Brilliant, Brilliant Movie. It's a slow burn with a really intense climax and a shocking twist ending highly recommend it. And that's my pick.

Bravo. Excellent. Yeah. One of one of the best final shots in a horror movie in the last 20 years Victor. With the lanterns lighting. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm with you. Yeah. And we mentioned Prutaylor Vance in regards to the devil's candy moment ago. I almost called it hard candy Dave. So there you go. Also a good movie. But John Carroll Lynch, another three names and character actor who can do a lot with a very little he's very unsettling in this movie too.

Playing a character named Pruit by the way. Yeah, right. Yes he is. In invitation. Yes, you're right. You know, the invitation. There's kind of a flashback to a Kid's Birthday party in that that has reinforced all my neuroses that I have always had and made me, made me worse. About kids. About children's horror? Just there's something that happens that we learn at a Kid's Birthday party. It's a background thing. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Alright, so great pick Victor.

Which horror movie has haunted me the most? So for my picks, I determined date of release when the film first becomes widely available in the US. I just, that's how I do it. And I've loved over the decade that we're talking about here. There have been a number of horror films that have haunted me. But it's been a little more subjective due to my personal life experience. So I chose one that haunted me but also certainly has the power to universally haunt everyone else and that is contracted.

This was written and directed by Eric England. And it was first widely available in the US on November 22nd, 2013. And yes, you funny guys. This movie does begin with a little bit of necrophilia. Okay, so. But. Wow. I'm shocked. But you're not. What a shock to Jam the Dead. Just saying. Yeah. But. Just playing it off like it's completely incident. Yeah, it just so happens. Nathan, right? Like so. But contracted is about a woman who's raped at a party. And she quickly becomes unwell.

And though at first she believes she's contracted some STD. She begins to realize as her body falls apart that her mysterious ailment is something far worse. So recently in, episode 221 of horror movie I referenced this film when I reviewed Thanna Tamor Fos. But that film is a poor man's contracted. This film here haunts me because the protagonist's body is just rotting and falling apart over the course of the film. And she has no idea what's wrong with her or how to fix it or how to stop it.

And the horror genre is infamous for putting us face to face with the reality of our own mortality, our own eventual death. And the depiction of death in horror films also tends to remind us about how vulnerable we are. And so anyone who has ever had something wrong with them physically like a sickness or something and you can't figure out what it is, then that's terrifying.

And I personally I've had that happen to me more than I would have liked and most recently in fact at the end of last year was pretty scary. But I realized that there are some healthy people out there who don't tend to be sick. But the thing is all of us will eventually start aging and as our bodies start to break down we start to get a real understanding of our mortality and how frail we actually are.

So even if the whipper snappers who happen to be listening to this are yet to understand why contracted would be a haunting film believe in the your time will come so get off my lawn. But anyway, this is the most haunting horror film for me for the first decade of age and peak contracted 2013. Hi this is Sean Glenn, writer of the Devil's Candy and this is Horror movie podcast where we did serious about horror movies. Round two, question two.

Okay, here it is, again, where political and political are not the most haunting films in the world. And we have a lot of political and religious and religious stories in the world. And we're going to get into it. Okay, here it is, again, we're pulling from the period of HMPs first 10 years. Now these pics just so the listeners know we're going to be talking about probably better known films more prominently familiar films but that's because of the nature of the question.

Which horror film do you feel has been the most important that the movie about? I believe it's not just like it's about book missionary Vice-D Romance to sorts of things. Speaking of things and this film in place about what I think first as we all know Starting on Ok in the lesson, I think 15 or a quote of but then the moment when there was one who was tagging the movie and he's being traitorously capricapi J some things like otra

was it? There were other movies obviously doing similar things at the time. But I think one of the things that happens with the witch is it gets a wide release. Movies like this, we're getting wide releases, but not quite I think this rarified. It was surprising to me to be sitting in a theater in 20, I think 2015, right? This came out. And sitting in a theater watching this movie, and it being this content and having a full theater, not only did it play in theaters,

garnered an audience. And to me, it did a couple of things. One of the things it did in a just very surface level way was it sort of reintroduced people to the idea that full core is a thing. People have been making full core. There are lots of smaller movies, but I think that it urged people to kind of dig up movies that they maybe hadn't seen in a very long time. So that's surface level. I think what's impressive about the witch and other people might say, you know, it started the elevated

horror, which I don't dig that title. But I think what it did is it created a film where the horror is serious and it's there in the film. And yet the film itself doesn't give its way to a lot of tropes. I mean, it's a lot about viewpoint. And so I think we started to get more serious, adulterated horror movies where they were okay to take a very specific viewpoint and keep people in that viewpoint. The amazing thing about the witch, it says right up front, you know, it's like a,

basically like a Puritan folk tale. Well, like you could watch this movie and say, hey, if I was living in this time frame, this is exactly what I thought was going to happen to me. Well, they're not it really good. It's scary when you realize that there are people walking around 2023 that think the exact same thing. And so watching the film, I think it's an amazing movie.

And whether you like it or not, I think you can see the effect that it had on indie horror that it made indie, made people realize that they can make indie horror in a lot of different flavors. Some of those flavors may be a little horror light for everybody. But I think it showed that you could take any subject matter. You can take it seriously. And then you can produce a film that doesn't necessarily look like you're, you know, it didn't run through all the troops that we know.

Or it used them in different ways. And so I think that the witch had a huge impact. There's another movie coming out, I think a year or two later that may be even more influential. But I'm going to leave that for someone else to mention. I'm sure they will. But for me, it's the witch. Mm-hmm. Powerful. Pre-eat too, man. It's interesting. I'm anticipating and starting to see a betcha that some of these things could overlap like the witch could be a potentially haunting movie for

people as well. So good pick. Yeah. Good pick. All right, Dr. Shock, which horror film would you say has been the most influential during that tenure period? All right. For me, you know what? It's funny because there was a movie that was released three months before the cutoff you gave us, Jay. Mm-hmm. That I think everyone on this panel would have said was the most influential. And I'm just going to throw the title out there.

It is the conjuring. But it does not fit into the October 2013 to October 2023 time period. So what did I go with? I went with Franda Besson. Mm-hmm. Oh, good boy. Thanks. Yeah. Because if you think about it, Franda Besson inspired other Asian zombie films that went forward. All right, you had, of course, a rampart, which was another South Korean film. You had hashtag

Alive from Netflix. And, you know, I'd be remiss to not say FU Netflix, FU up the A with a 12-inch D and break it off and meet you over the head with the rest of it because I can never own that movie on physical media. Whoa. Like a pull string on date. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But past their mat, they were little. They were little. Yeah. He did well. He did well. Yes. I did not want to go to full explicit. He got away to death code it like Ralphie. And then you have the sadness

from a couple of years ago. So these zombie films that I think were at least maybe not inspired by Franda Besson, but at least Franda Besson laid the groundwork for them. It was a huge hit. And that's a plus because zombies were like dead at what the time Franda Besson came out. You know, they had just been overplayed and all of a sudden they were back and fun again.

They were. They didn't take very long either. Yeah. Just like a year or two. No, exactly. But what Franda Besson did for me personally was it made me go backwards into South Korean horror. Yes. To look at films like I saw the devil. Yes. But devil. All these other movies that I might not have ever seen if it would not for trained to pursue. And I think its influence was it allowed the streaming, the whole streaming community to realize particularly here in the US. Oh, yeah.

South Korea still making great horror films. And then, you know, a few come up here later. Well, I know when the floodgates was streaming, so they sent the entire Pacific Rim. I mean, it just, you know, we got we got so many great horror films from Asia since then. Yeah. I agree. And I think it might have been four or five years ago that LOTC we did our

South Korean horror. And I just watched all of these films. And I remember thinking that it was trained up a song that awoke with me that showed me that there were all these great Korean horror films out there for the taking. Yeah, that's a solid pick, Dave. Yes. And by the way, that episode landed the creeps episode two, 15 South Korean horror. People want to check that out. 15 was a how long? Well, yeah, wouldn't that come out, Jay? Let me, let me see here.

Yeah, because March 10, 2020, March 10, 2020. Well, now that, that's the one before the bottom fell out. Yeah, Dave, you know, right, Dave, now that Greg's releasing episodes almost weekly, it's probably hard to get trapped in the numbers. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I thought it was at least three years before that. Awesome. Train to design. Excellent. Pixar. Thank you. Okay, this is Victor. Which horror film do you feel has been most influential to the horror genre?

Most influential, I'd have to say it's got to be get out. There it is. There it is. You took mine, Victor. Sorry. Yeah, it's direct by Jordan Peel. We'd later go on to do us or perhaps you could interpret it as US. Yeah. And of course, before that, key and feel. So here, so I saw the first trailers forget out in the theater. And I knew who Jordan Peel was because of key and peel. So I'm like, oh, key, you know, it's it's going to be a funny movie.

And I'm looking at the trailer and I'm like, this that's not very funny, you know. Little did I know that Jordan Peel is an incredible horror fan. And he draws from Halloween, the shining. This rock Hudson movie called seconds. Night of the living dead. Such a great film. Seconds is amazing. Yeah, those are all as everyone seen seconds. I don't get so highly recommended. It's so good. It's so good with rock Hudson. What an amazing film that is. That's Frankenheimer, isn't it?

Yes, John Frankenheimer. Yes, it is John Frankenheimer. It is an amazing, amazing film. But that is not the movie I'm talking about. I loved it. But, um, but yeah, let me just, since I only have a couple of minutes here, I'll just say without get out, we probably wouldn't have satanic Hispanics. We wouldn't have marginalized voices coming forward in the horror community to show their horrorized experience. So it's been an incredible seismic shift in the community.

And it's got a great score by Michael Abbles with jazz, blues, and African elements to it. I mean, there's so much revolutionary stuff about this movie. And on top of that, it's incredibly entertaining. So it's just a great film. And, uh, yeah, I can't recommend this enough. But, uh, I guess that's it. Yeah. Well, Victor, you took mine. So I'll go ahead and pile on. That's okay with Jay. Move with it. People who listen to Father and Son are sick and tired of me talking about Jordan Peale.

We did an entire tribute episode because I think I've seen get out probably ten times. It's on my top 10 list of my favorite horror movies of all time. And it's number six. And I loved us. I really liked Nope. I've stated it on on many podcasts. I think Jordan Peale's a genius. I remember being addicted also to key and peel.

And I remember thinking one or both of these gents are horror fans because whether it's, you know, their skits on Grimmlands 2 or or racist zombies or, you know, racist zombies. Maybe one of the funniest things they ever did. Yeah, when the zombies are when the white zombies are rolling up their windows, they're not to get near the two black non zombies. I laughed my butt off. And then the the shining continental breakfast, you know, from kid, you know, it's all there.

But then what I love so much of that Jordan Peale did, he definitely deserved the Oscar for best screenplay, which he won for get out. And you're talking about a movie that was made for three and a half million dollars and made over 100 million and this care and Dave, you've talked about this a lot with Jordan Peale.

The care that he puts into the screenplay, there are so many Easter eggs, there's so many callbacks, you know, if you watch get out, you know, if you've only seen it once, people list this, go watch it again. Notice, think about why, like when they're stopped by or the police officer pulls over and he wants to see his ID and she says, why are you she? It looks like she's standing up for him. Why do you want to see his ID?

When in fact, we learn later on, there's a reason she doesn't want to pay portrayal. You know, all these little things that he does. And when it's funny, it's funny, when it's suspenseful, it's suspenseful, but it's always well done, it's incredibly well shot, well acted, well edited. It's got something to say. But because I said this many times, if you want to understand Jordan Peale, you've got to understand his absolute adoration for Rod Sirling.

Jordan Peale loved Rod Sirling. He loves the classic Twilight Zone. Us is directly influenced by Twilight Zone episode about a doping or at a bus station. And he loved how Rod Sirling took something creepy, put a message in it, and you know, he said, look, yes, there are messages in my films, but at the end of the day, I want to make a scary movie. I want to make a good, scary movie. And he's done that. He's done that three times out of three, as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, his next movie comes out next Christmas. And he's a big, he's a big Grimmlin's fan, so that should be interesting. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, that's very cool. Excellent. Great pick. Both of you. Yeah, that's, um, get out. Absolutely. Did we have, was there another host who had get out as well? Did you want to talk about it now? Yeah, I'll, I might as well. Well, okay, go ahead.

I wish there was another movie that was a more exciting pick after this conversation, but yeah, it's just, it's without a doubt the most influential film in my opinion. For all the reasons that Victor and Matt said, I would add to what they said, two things. First, I think it allowed Blumhouse to see that there was profitable films. They could make that weren't just for a foot of tour, you know, I think for a while.

Their Blumhouse had kind of gotten to a rut. Thanks to the aforementioned paranormal activity, they had a very clear way to get a profit over a Blumhouse. And they weren't taking a very many chances at that point. And I think that is the beginning of a new era for Blumhouse, which I don't know what they've done with it, but at least, at least it changed. At least it was different.

But most certainly if we're talking about influential films, I think, you know, since I remember when we first reviewed that film on HMP, J and I were just, because he, what is the term woke me? I remember we were talking about that. Like, is this woke? We were like, I don't know. I think so. Get woke or something like that. Stay woke. We were like, it's okay. A lot of people don't know what that word still means. And they use it a lot. Yeah, but I think, yeah, that's a controversial word.

And it's more pejorative now than I think it was ever intended to be. But I think what's interesting about this film, and I talked with us the only other time I've talked about movies in the last two years is on the No Bodies podcast recently. We talked about this a little bit. I think it's interesting a lot. It's basically as a blueprint for if you're in a marginalized group and you want to tell your story, this is how you do it correctly without shaming other people without being, you know,

going on, I can't be the word. I'm going for it and preparing. Let's be out of that. But to use is it, you know, Gilman Joel says, look, I don't care what your politics is. Just don't get too preachy. And I think that the way you avoid doing that is just to make a suspenseful enjoyable film with a message where you don't have, you know, a 20-minute exposition about X, Y and Z. You just do it. And I think Jordan Peel does that better than anyone.

I mean, I know people had mixed feelings about us. I thought it was brilliant. How many people can take a message about the homeless virtue signaling? Oh, and hands across America. And hands across America. That was his virtue signaling thing. Yeah, hands across America. And homelessness. And if you can see the VHS copy in the movie and he loves the movie, chud, who can take a shot with fly light zone virtue signaling and homelessness

and make a great movie, only Jordan Peel can. Oh, me too. Yes. Yeah. And I think just the the idea, I don't mind political movies. I don't mind overly political movies. And I think that's one of the things that horror and sci-fi do best is tackling complex issues of our day and giving this kind of this, a probable way to digest it. But I think what it does best is puts the viewer, no matter what your ethnicity, into the shoes of and behind the eyes of a young black man in

America and allows you to feel what that feels like for a little while. So I think rather, regardless of whether or not you go into that movie feeling like this is a character you can relay with, it forces you to relate to that character, but not in a way that's hitting over the head. It just, it simply is good storytelling and good filmmaking that allows you to see the world through this character's eyes. And I think that's where it's most successful, my opinion. And I think

that's worked. If it is not yet successful in our current woke climate, I think that people can learn a lot from looking at how get out handles these issues and these characters. If they want to do something that is actually meaningful in the way to get out of this. Well, in the performances, I mean, especially Daniel Kiuye, he is just incredible in it, absolutely incredible. And as this luré Howard scenes, which apparently someone were improvised, I mean, literally fall on the

floor laughing. Yeah. Larius Wolfman, what I remember most about our review of Get Out was hilarious. You were quoting what you called it was some day the fact you said something like this was the whitest movie review title ever written. And the and the reviewer wrote Jordan Peele makes racism scary. Well, didn't have it had 100 percent. It didn't get out. Have a hundred percent on Rotten Tomatoes until who was it? Was it Dave? Your favorite reviewer, almond white? Is that his name that came

along? Aaron White. Yes. Yeah. Armand White. He wrote that review three months before that movie came out and we all know it. Yes. Alright, so Get Out. Excellent. Thank you guys, great picks. Okay, now it's time to hear from Jackson the Ripper again as he answers our second question. Next, the most important or revolutionary film of the last decade. Now, there were a lot I could go

with on this one, but I think I've settled on it follows from 2014. It follows in my opinion is at least partially responsible for the resurgence of 80s horror stylings in the mid to late 2010s. And really the surge of low budget indie high concept horror films that broke mainstream in the last seven or eight years. It's a super slick film and I'm now very much flicking forward to the

recently announced sequel They Follow. But I would also say as honorable mentions the witch from 2015 and Get Out from 2017, obviously we've seen this explosion of new horror altars, namely Egger's peel and Aster though he didn't debut with her editorial until the really late into the decade actually in 2018. But A24 even in 2023 with films like Talk to Me, I think they can be credited to some degree with keeping horror mainstream.

And now for my most important, most influential of this I guess 10 year period, I actually I was very torn. I honestly was wrestling with Get Out, but I chose something else. Here it is. I can't prove

this to you. I think it will be easy for us to argue. I think for several different important horror films that came out, but I think it's nearly impossible to prove especially with this, but I have a theory this is like an instinct is kind of a gut feeling and so I hope you hear me out in the 2000s and especially like I'm talking post 9 11 of course, the horror genre had become pretty severe relied more upon shocks the shock value shocking imagery rather than suspense in my

opinion. In fact, true story about this I remember during the 2000s thinking that wow the horror genre doesn't really use suspense that much anymore because I would I would go back and watch some you know 70s stuff or Hitchcock of course and I would feel suspense, but I wasn't feeling

suspense that much with the newer stuff. So we had the advent of torture porn with hostile and saw and others and scares were produced through extremes and so and my opinion I think it became more surface rather than conceptual and I think that there was one film though that played a role in bringing horror back to its roots and for me that film is It Follows. It was written and directed by David Robert Mitchell. It follows this released wide in the US on March 27th 2015 and it's about a

young woman who's being relentlessly pursued by a mysterious malevolent being. Now to me, It follows is a return back to the basics of horror because I think it taps into the simplicity of primal types of fears and I think that it follows kind of jump started or filmmakers thinking again

what is scary to us. Now I can't prove that obviously it's all speculation but in it follows the monster is always coming to get you it's coming to get you coming to get you never stopping and then we had lights out in 2015 while came out in 2016 by this reckoning but anyways lights

out brought us a fear of the dark and of course it started as a short film but the dark is scary it's scary when the lights go out and then we had a quiet place April 2018 and it's like be quiet or the monster will hear you you know and then bird box close your eyes it's kind of like

the Medusa concept close your eyes so you don't look at the monster and then the silence which is similar to quiet place again be quiet the monster will hear you anyway those are just a few examples and again I can't link them with any a sure proof but I think that by revisiting the

basics of horror I think it freshened up our scary horror cinema a little bit and I think that's why we ended up with these creepier films because in the later 2000 2010s I mean the film starts are getting under my skin like Satan slaves terrified the dark and wicked um flanagan's haunting

of Hill House and so I just have this theory that they were taking things and looking at okay what is truly scary to us so for me I think it injected horror with a little more suspense again that sense of um conceptual dread rather than just jump scares and shocks not that I'm down on jump scares

and the monster and it follows a simple and terrifying and in fact I'll quote our main man here Dr. Shock in his DVD infatuation blog review of it follows I think he describes it perfectly because Dave wrote well he called it an unforgettable horror film and he said no matter how far you run

this creature is out there and it is coming it follows is from start to finish a nerve-wracking experience it's out there trying to get you it moves slowly methodically but it knows exactly where you are and it's coming always coming if you drive a hundred miles away you can buy yourself

a little time but it will eventually find you so that's my pick for the most influential with the plot of that film it's always coming is that yeah yeah that's funny too nice that's how I get around your rules Matt and play on words well hey look I'm just so glad that he didn't pick the

corpse of Anna Fritz we haven't got to our horror gem yet so anyways um the last thing I was just gonna say is this does have a sequel coming out they follow exciting you know that's exactly a decade later 2024 so we'll look forward to that but anyway that's my pick

all right and now we're back to try again again out of the the 10 year span and I'm very interested as as a film historian which you are horror film historian extraordinaire I'm really excited to get your answer on this which horror film would you say has been the most important most

influential or revolutionary to the overall horror genre yeah this was pretty um easy for me Jay and I think it's because this one I had just talked about on my solo show screaming through the ages what I was doing a full core segment and this might be an obvious answer to some of my I don't

know if anyone else is picked this one or not but I would go with the witch and I'll lay down for you why I think the witch and I think there's several different factors here one is the folk horror aspect and we've kind of had this big resurgence in folk horror recently we've you know we've had

things like midsummer and you've had a apostle and all these different great um folk horror films that have popped up and I don't think we really get that kind of thing without the witch popping up here and it seems like this was almost like a domino because we did have some of these I don't want to

use the the term for this but you know what I'm talking about the the higher brow horror film and we've had some of those before of course the Babadook I think released before this or just before this but I don't think any of them had the impact that the witch did and Jay you I think

you probably remember what it was like the podcast about horror movies in 2013 2014 there were some good ones and we were starting to get more and more but I feel like it was nothing compared to the boom that we would see later a few years later and I think the witch is a big part of that I

mean this was an a 24 film their first real hit is a horror film I mean this thing made on a 4 million dollar budget made 40 million at the box office and I think it was their biggest hit up into that time so it not only had in this things warmed its way into the horror community you hear

all kinds of podcasts still mentioning this one but it also had kind of that I mean 40 million is in a small number I don't think you're going to get that just off of hardcore horror fans alone necessarily and I think that was a big one I think it pushed this kind of dark and dire horror

film into the the more I would wouldn't say it's quite mainstream it's not it or anything like that or even get out do maybe a little later yeah but I think it was important in that you know it was a dark bleak film there wasn't much light or warmth in that film and you know it was heavy hitter at the box office for that time it started this whole I forgot you some a better term elevated horror I don't think it started it but it definitely pushed it further you know after this we get films from

guys like Ari Oster and all these other directors and I really do think that the witch kicked all of that off Jay so that's a long-winded answer but yeah yeah yeah I'm with you I mean there's certainly a severity to this film I mean what we have here essentially is a dismantling and destruction

of a family unit which is incredible to me and I'll and try all never forget my my buddy Ryan over a movie podcast weekly he claims not to be a horror fan but he still dabbles in horror and when he saw this he was just floored by it and I asked him about the as a buy and he's like well he's

like it's a film worth purchasing but I couldn't have something this evil in my house I remember that that's and it's true this is a hard film to watch I'd be lying if I said it was my favorite the year it came out but it's up there I really think it's a solid film but it's just so dark

and it's hard for me to put something that dark that's you know my favorite we're a film of the year something but yes yeah I think it's sent waves throughout the the horror community and what we would see to come and check absolutely all right then uh Gilman Joel here's the big guns the

heavy one this is a heavy question which horror film has been the most important or influential to the overall horror genre okay for me and what I'm about to say is for me this is it like my favorite movie of the decade by any stretch this isn't I like it I think this film is great and when I

saw it I loved it I have mixed feelings about what happened as a result of this movie and I will say unlike other yes in this particular episode I'm at least keeping mine within the decade of 2013 to 2023 I'm not pointing fingers at past or mad or anybody like that who may have picked movies

that were influential years before H.O.P. were started I'm not point fingers see he owns HMP now so he may just have you excised from all of this that's all good Paul okay uh never mind I didn't mean past or bad I've been James that's right damn it so no it all serious this my

pick tech I think technically your rule was October of 2013 October 25th so I say dude I'm at one TV to a degree you need to seriously take some notes hey it's the anniversary it's it's between but you know past or mad can do what he wants if he wants to pick it up to be

fair I'm well you actually yeah when you're in the guy running it now you can do what you want that's right but I will say this I feel like my pick while technically released a a literally like three months I think almost to the day before H.O.P. officially started it would

have absolutely been in the theaters and if the area that you were in had dollar theaters absolutely would have been in a dollar theater that's fair out works brother it works and when you hear my pick the effect it had on all the subsequent movie not all on horror in general I think in both it's

what it kind of set motion aesthetically just a lot of different variables I feel like this is the obvious thing so my pick is released in July of 19 2013 the conjuring oh no doctor shocked to be pissed he wanted to pick this but he said he couldn't because of the dates

and so he didn't see doc the difference is unlike you I'm not a good person and I don't listen to what I it's like I'm with people I do I absolutely would like to be careful to like get like you know I'm not if I don't follow rules and I upset somebody I don't like it however it's one

of the way so many absolutely tells you know you gotta do this thing I'm like I'll do it but like a little toddler where you just are kind of stepping outside like the kid who reaches for the cookie like don't get the cookie he's kind he keeps reaching like don't get the cookie it get kind

that's kind of what I'm doing I'm kind of going to go into a couple months out go for it go for it it's fine I'm sorry okay fine you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna be I'm so petty if you'd said no I'll be like the caudering to okay nice no no no go for it really here's why I've got

a total look let's hear that sets in motion this concept because obviously the MCU right with Iron Man in what 2008 I think we get the whole like now we're in the MCU in the home and they start setting a motion this cinematic universe idea because prior to that you got franchises

yet sequels yet even rebakes you didn't have this whole like it's called these inner movies have to be interconnected blah blah blah crap right yeah yeah this is where my mixed feelings come in because I'm to the point where I friggin hate that because there were quite for you to truly get

everything you can out of certain things it feels like you got to watch like all this other stuff now I will say the whole conjuring universe thing has not been as obnoxious as the MCU has been on that but I still I'm kind of over I'm over the universe but because of the conjuring so we get

the conjuring universe then we get the whole which I guess both are universal but then we get the whole dark universe you know what what what where you know universal was going to do the whole universal monsters thing how that work out Tom Cruise in the mummy but then you know it's aesthetic

and look of those movies to me was so paraded throughout the last 10 years by so especially more studio release type stuff yeah so I think another example this is I may or may not have had a mild aneurysm thought Blumhouse had something to do with the conjures and the reason for that is I

feel like so many of their movies remind me aesthetically of those movies sort of like maybe James one is the problem no fence was to one because I think you're you know you're you're a perfectly fine director but the saw you saw and look at the influence that had right from 2004 through

that good chunk of that decade with this aesthetically then he does a conjuring in 2013 and again here we are again where the aesthetic and the problem with that is is not that the look in the field those movies is bad I mean obviously they're very highly well produced but that's the problem

they're so well produced that everything else that feels like them it's first to feel very homogenized to me like I know we do obviously we've gotten movies in the last 10 years that look nothing like them I get that but I just feel like that that book and feel and vibe

especially the jump scare thing that we start getting with subsequent movies like the none movies and all of those the Annabelle movies it's just it all starts to feel very homogenized to me it's very repetitive it's very predictable and to me the cardinal sin of horror along with comedy

it's making it super predictable because then it just doesn't it's like okay I mean it's here it's a thing I watch it but it's not it doesn't stick with you the way like a great comedy should it only shocking necessarily in a vulgarity way although that could be effective but it should

catch you by surprise that's why tasteless or dark joke can make people laugh because you're like what who says that right whereas with horror it's the same kind of thing you always have to be shocking and gory and violent but it's kind of feel and look there's gotta be something unexpected

there's a certain movie which show remain nameless because I don't want to go there with you right now that that was the only honest god the main reason why I loved it so much is because it was so it was like the anti-contouring aesthetically you know what I mean and it's like and I'm it's

start to the desk and rhymes with a rinky dink so I feel like that movie was very influential or better or worse so I like some of the movies in the universe that it's not like I'm not at all of them but I'm definitely not one of these people is like I'm all in every country every

movie that comes out in the country universe I have to see it and I love it like I'll think I've seen I didn't see any of the none movies I didn't see I know I know I know I haven't missing because actually I think I have H.F.P. to thank for the first none because I think you were I think

that came out when you were still on and you guys reviewed it and all you kept talking about was like you should have called like none you know cold and jump scare movie or something because that's all it was and I like a good jump scare once or twice not like every two seconds so it just gets

annoying so anyway that'll be said I love that my my pick that's supposed to be like this is an important film is when I'm denigrating but I think the card ring is a great movie and I like the sequels I just feel like it's influence is the I can't think of anything that came out in the

last 10 years that if I had to like pinpoint it had a bigger impact yeah which is why you went slightly before the thing yeah yeah exactly slightly but actually if I am going to have my my second choice it would be paranormal activity

okay doctor walking dead this is the answer that I have been so intrigued to hear which horror film has been the most important or influential or revolutionary to the horror genre as a whole okay that is hard to say I have an answer and I'm confident in my answer but that kind

of a question it takes some time and reflection and you know we need to kind of see did the film really have the impact that we that we think it is or that it we hope it did and it may take a decade or two before we realize the power of an exorcist or a Halloween yes that have these

like long reaching tendrils of influence and effect so true so yeah we're all going to have probably a myopic take on it's possible but I am right oh and it is possible that some of the other hosts are also right okay so I've like you said been watching a lot of horror I've been doing

a lot more horror with my career I've broadened out from zombies quite a bit and I've checked out a lot of the other trends that are happening and so I would like to briefly speak to trends even though you didn't ask and the last 10 years I think we've seen an uptick in which horror I think

which is there being much more prominently featured I think possession horror has been a big deal there's been a lot of those cranked out there's also been a delightful upswing in in full core which I particularly enjoy these kind of folktale horrors they mess me up a period pieces stuff

like that yeah and so we have seen this kind of move to a different type of horror film and then the perhaps the most controversial is the so-called elevated horror which I know is a fighting words for some but the sense where we're seeing a more artistic and aesthetic and even kind of

esoteric approach to things that are frightening and along the way we've had some we've already had in the last 10 years some really heavy hitters coming out of the gate as directors writer directors who really paving the way for a new type of horror with a new kind of level of intensity

and so when I think back over the last 10 years and when I think of a film that has not only shaken me to my core but that has had very noticeable intangible influences on the films to follow and the trajectory of modern day horror films and what it could look like

you know an escalation of certain content pulling fewer punches going for broke right these different things I got to say from my position as a film scholar and as a teacher of film lovers the most influential horror film of the last 10 years is none other than Ari Astor's hereditary. Oh, I knew brother I had a feeling and it was definitely in my list of considerations but yeah let's

let's hear it. Oh, hereditary is at the time I would hazard to say that we had not seen anything like that and I know that we like to throw that phrase around you've never seen anything like this but honestly the way hereditary is shot the way it is presented the extremely disturbing

and of like psychos saxophone music score the unexpected twists and turns and the really just shocking resolution that doesn't resolve anything is really really upsetting and the fact that this film plays on almost every possible familial anxiety or fear is just unrelenting and of course

yeah this is one of those movies that has what I like to call that scene that's nice that scene yeah the hereditary that scene in the car it comes out of nowhere it comes out of nowhere and maybe some other more savvy listeners are like I saw it coming now I I was ill advisedly watching this

on a transatlantic flight oh and so unfortunately I was on something of a small screen but I had the headsets and I had all these people around me and when I got to that point in the film it was like holy crap I did anybody else see that I'm sorry I've children are nearby and because from that

point of the film and one of the most disturbing things is the result of that is that we don't see Annie the mother Annie by Tony Collette we don't see her reaction we hear oh yes yes and that audio track where we stay with Peter Alex Wolf but we hear Annie's reaction oh my gosh and so every

parents worse nightmare yeah and and and to put that out in such a realist raw unfiltered way it just chills me chills me chills me yes and then as it gets darker as it gets more sinister we start seeing things that other filmmakers have embraced where things in the background are

super important but you don't notice them on a first watch things that are in in the third layer of the frame but they're not indeed focused or you don't see them right away and the go for broke emotional acting the relentless emotional exhaustion that you go through yes and then this open

embracing of folklore of witchcraft of Satanism I mean it's almost on par with some of the films we saw during the satanic panic of the 70s but here the attitude towards it is ambivalent it's not this is super evil in this films a morality tale instead it's like look at it look at it yeah

and sometimes you don't want to look at it but films that have echoed this or followed this or mirrored this you know creepy handmade altars statuary dead bodies that are set up in teblos all that kind of stuff has become really prevalent because I also thought about midsummer which

is a similarly polarizing film but let's go to the let's go to the source without hereditary there is no midsummer yes and I think without hereditary there's a lot of there is no's so that's where I'm coming in Jay and I'm drawn the line in the sand the most important influential horror film of

the past 10 years is hereditary and I am suspecting I am not the only one who is going to propose such landscape exceptional pick hey this is mac greenberg screenwriter of Halloween H2O you are listening to horror movie podcasts where we are dead serious about horror movies okay so now we're on

the question three gentlemen this is my favorite question of the three especially hearing from this group because I think of save the best question for last I feel like this is the most valuable for the listeners out there so here's the question which horror film is your pick for a film that

you would personally champion and try to promote because it is a surprisingly unknown horror gem okay my favorite one here you'll angel I'm not saying that you're my favorite one I was saying this is my favorite question

well to be fair you're not Dave Z that's that's a Dave Z I'm pretty sure I'm Dave Z's favorite one that I done had I done the top 10 with him I'm pretty sure I would have been his favorite horror of injury that's true if I am able to take part whatever top 10 we do this year or rather

under phrase based on our track record in two years yeah two years from now yeah two years from now we do 2023 top 10 I will be Dave Z's favorite so that's that big said yes this is the favorite of the last 10 years but this one is within the window you gave and it's in it's not okay so this is a

surprisingly unknown horror gem is what we're looking for yeah because ultimately that if you had to like pick your actual like favorite favorite that a little more top because I mean like barbarian and a couple other ones that I don't want to mention because they're probably giving me my top 10 for

this year you know that kind of thing so there recently there have been some ones that I've actually loved obviously and then you go back to like 2016 and there's a lot of great movies so this one I wonder if we're gonna fight because it's a recent one and it's a movie that I think is

let's just say has gotten a bad rap by a lot of people certain horror podcasters this is a movie that you should absolutely reassess in a totally different way and it's a movie that I feel got vastly ignored by people who think oh oh that was just dumb blah blah blah Jay my pick you'll

never guess you better not you better not do it you'll never guess my pick Jay I won't be able to guess it go ahead I don't know my pick for the underrated reassess one of my all-time favorites in the last 10 years I don't care what you say Jay is the one and only and malignant from 2021

heavens yeah you totally thought I was gonna see yeah if you would have said skin a meringue cover I know malignant from 2021 dude so this movie to me well here's why I love this movie I love this movie because why it was the first back in theater post that effing the buckle of a

existence that everyone had for a year or so there two years whatever it was going to do I blocked it all out now of the vid and it was I think the one of the first if not the first horror release back in theaters where they'd open the theaters back up I know it was definitely the

first that I got to see of the theater and I knew nothing about I think I had seen the trailer I saw okay James one and it's not a friggin conjuring movie I was like yeah and I heard how to made it because he had done a command and made children made like a jay and dollars and

he like just wanted to make this fun over the top horror flick I'm like okay cool cool cool and I saw it and I thought literally the only thing that could have made that movie better for me is if it had starred Nick Cage because it was that kind of wacky and the other thing I loved about

it is it felt anti postmodern it felt like a movie that would have been made pre-screen like this is a movie that would have come out like 1990 right played it local theater for a couple of weeks a few weeks then it would have just just you read about it finger yeah this is neat to my younger

self so I would have read about it finger yeah I would have been though like one or two other people in the theater I'd have been there opening weekend would have watched like a doctor giggles kind of situation and I would have loved it I would have tried tell people about it nobody would have

gone to see it and then it would have shown up in in my local like movie warehouse video store around six months later and a new release boom I'd rent it and I would love it and that's what Malignant felt like to me it was blissfully unself aware and I absolutely loved it for that I loved

it for that fact I bought the poster I own it on VHS dude I own it on friggin VHS wow that's something and how did I get it because brainbuster video f-ing rules that's why brainbuster was that and Luna you guys rock so I just wanted to throw out a little shout out to them you which you

may cut out I don't know but I'm still shouting them out because of them I own Malignant on friggin VHS so yeah it's awesome I love this movie I think it's fun I know my buddy Kevin Spencer is the only other person I've ever talked to off hand like I think he's the only other person I've talked to

that loved it to the degree that I did I heard it so I was like oh it's fine you know but I've been I've also made it like are you one of those three no no no actually in fact I'm happy to report to you great pick because I sat on this I didn't watch it until this year okay back in

June I'm like I'm finally gonna watch it because I thought because of how divisive it was when it first came out I'm like the expert you know when people were talking about it and I didn't know anything about it so I was totally unspoiled for two years I watched it this year and brother I

got to tell you I love this 8.5 for me now see I love you Jay I love you yes it's it's a it's a not because I'm at this point in my life I feel like I don't necessarily want to give movies 10s anymore it's like a 9.5 for me though I love I just I it's like out of that and I

I am a willing to it's much like like a doctor giggles I get why people would take it's dumb or like not like it fine I don't really care I love it and I know a lot of people read it as humorous or dark humor but honestly it's scary it's scary to me the whole time that movie freaks me out no

no joke see that's what I mean but do you see what I'm saying like that that whole like oh it's got humorous because I think they're still reading through that lens of like the last 20 plus years where we've gotten incessant ever said I love screen one of my all-time favorite movies period

but ever since like that postmodern sort of BS like everything's gonna be self-aware and meta and it's got to know that it's a joke haha everything's ironic no it's that's why I love I think I think it's not meant to be ironic I think what a character drives to an abandoned asylum that's

sitting on like a cliff in the middle of the friggin night just to find some information that there's no way it should actually be there I don't think that was a bad writing choice I think it was intentional it's weird it's like it's like the writers were self-aware about the danger of

putting too much self-awareness in their movie so it's like post postmodern does that make sense yeah that's what I love about yeah and go ahead and we see you arrive there at the the cliff in the middle of the night it was surrounded by a changeling wheelchairs there were ton of those

there which I loved yeah all of that's what I'd be saying like so it's not like an example like if this movie have been made in 1990 whoever wrote it you would probably chalk it up to they're just turning out a quick little horror flick they are even trying to make sense the characters just do

dumb things we've been around long enough and so is James Wan as a horror fan to know all of the tropes all of the cliches so with you do them it's a choice I get to like a catch I want this character to be dumb because you know what kids I know it's going to shock everyone to learn

occasionally kids in real life people are stupid and they do really stupid things and in fact oftentimes you're a true story go you could ever make that no movie like that because nobody would believe it because why would people be that stupid and they make because some people are

so characters being stupid in movies is totally fine I love malignant that is my pick I think it should absolutely reassess it makes me ecstatic Jay see this is those moments Jay and I can't really bring up the skin memory because I totally get why you don't like it but there's other movies where

I'm like I don't know why Jay likes I went to the degree they does but every but I feel like more often than not you and I are relatively in sync with patients so and the other thing I'll say well actually no no because of the case there are those handful of people out there like yourself that

haven't swat I'm going to say other movies that it reminds me of because that would give away a key thing that I know so all I say is you've never seen malignant and you haven't been spoiled bless you go watch it ASAP yes fun bonkers and I would say on no I'm going to say that I'm going to say what

you're subgenre because again it would screw something up so I'm gonna shut up all I'm gonna say is go watch it it's fun it is a fun horror flick that is blissfully intentionally on so for where back you brother great pick all right I can't wait to hear the answer this because I love to hear

about lesser appreciated lesser known so tray wetstone which horror film is your pick for a surprisingly unknown horror gem that you'd want to champion for everybody yeah so I went back and forth on this I had a couple of picks there was an Indian film that I I really enjoy but I

didn't realize that it was a Netflix film I guess and it's got though I don't know a lot of people in the our community have seen it it's definitely been seen by a lot of people so I went with one that I actually like a little better but I think your mileage might vary as far as horror fans go

and that is one called the night sitter the night sitter okay yes yes and this was released in 2019 I believe to the public I actually saw this in 2018 at a film festival here in Columbus and this is a tribute to Dario Agenta with the lighting and the three mothers and all this kind

of stuff a place of factor now it does have a little bit of a comedy bent to it Jay I don't know how it would fare with yourself but it is really and it is a little lower budget but I really think it has a charm to it and it doesn't hold back in terms of violence and gore and anything like that

it does bring it there even though it does have some of the more comedic elements but I think it's cool you know you have a a woman who is hired to be a babysitter to this guy who's like this famous I don't know I don't know if he's famous but he's on TV and he does these kind of investigations

into the paranormal he's always wanted you know to see something supernatural but he brings this woman into babysit his son and the woman that he's dating her son but she's really casing the place to kind of rob it and one of the boys gets into I think it's the guy's study or his like

relic room or something and they might open up something that they shouldn't have and it kind of unleashes something upon it and it just goes off the rails from there but I've always liked this one this one is a Christmas horror movie it's one that I try to watch every couple of years

and I still enjoy it so the Night Sitter is one that I really like and I think you know it's not gonna hit for everyone but I'd never hear that one talked about hardly although I think it might have been mentioned on horror movie podcast at one point but because you know how the the Christmas

episodes are kind of oh yeah you're gonna dig in for something at some point um yeah I that's one of my hidden gems excellent yeah for whatever reason I don't have any recollection about this movie so this is new and I especially love that it's a Christmas horror so that'll be one for us to check out yeah one last note try just a side note and maybe a bonus for the listeners when you were teasing I think you said something about an Indian film I thought for sure that you were

gonna say one that mr. Watson introduced me to it just a tombod at you MBBAD from India from 22 no no that's a great one this one was called a bowl bowl okay okay all right how do you spell that so we can look it up to you LB BUL okay cool so here you go listeners two little bonus gems

for you as well that was a Netflix and it's just as visually stunning as tombod cool okay yeah but officially though your pick is the knight's the knight's yes thank you the hmp listeners know that I still record 10 minutes segments where I do these two little mini reviews

of very special horror movies and I send it in for the frank and sinyen episodes and this pick was actually going to be my very next segment but I'm gonna share it here because it fits perfectly with the description surprisingly unknown horror gem now I probably talked about this

movie in the past on this show and I want past your map to know because you mentioned it it did take herculean strength for me not to pick the corpse of anaphyritz or Jimmy Jimmy weavers eat from 2014 I love those yes let me take some I have never seen the corpse of anaphyritz and because

I share streaming services with my wife and I want to remain married I never will see it well you you might be surprised I'll just leave it that because it's not exactly what you think but anyways that's the one I hear for so here's a must see for horror fans I'm serious this is for people who

love crazy killer religious cult movies and don't worry doc shot come not gonna say the one that you made have picked from 2017 this film is called children of sorrow oh yeah now I love it I love it that you know it I am db as this listed as a 2012 film but this was not available till 2014 it had a

DVD released through lionsgate march of 2014 you can also stream this currently on amazon just saying so it's not hard to find and speaking of I am db just a little tidbit on this you can judge how obscure a movie tends to be based on the number of times that it's been rated on IMDb so for

example it follows my previous pick that's been rated like 261 thousand times but as of this morning when I went on there to revisit children of sorrow to make sure it was good enough for this I saw that it had only been rated exactly 666 times so it's like a 666 just weird right anyways

co-written and directed by Jordan McClure it's rated R has run time 1 hour 28 minutes and it stars character actor bill oberst juner as the cult leader father Simon he's terrifying and the premise is you got this young woman from London she travels to the u.s. mexico border to this little town to

find out what happened to her sister there's sister joined this religious community in the south west desert somewhere but when the concern sister allen travels to this compound that's run by father Simon her eyes are opened to a new way of looking at what turns out to be a horrifying world so there are some great cult movies out there but I will submit to you that this is one of the very best this is a 9 out of 10 for me and like I said it's very unknown when this film begins it doesn't

look like much I just want to tell you that because the sets and the production design are very simple it's almost too plain and boring but it does fit appropriately with the story it is filmed in a found footage type of style where the film that we're watching comes from father Simon's camera

ellen's camera and the compounds surveillance footage and you all probably know by now that I'm an impatient viewer in kind of a clock watcher with movies and I don't usually love slow burns or drama horror but this builds and becomes more and more horrific so the deliberate pace totally pays

off many many times as saying is brutal horror fans are going to be pleased it's very disturbing hidden horror gym it's called children of sorrow 9 out of 10 I say buy it it's a buy for me at the very least you can stream it it's a must stream now Nathan where you want to who reacted

that was me yes okay yeah I back you up on this actually yeah I back you up this I don't know if I give it a 9 but it is a strong film I saw it we got an opportunity to interview Bill over senior actually years ago he had just done resolution and Abraham Lincoln versus zombies

which is a cheap sci-fi movie but I was so impressed that he gave like a legitimate Lincoln performance in that movie so we contact and we talked him and he's Bill even though being in movies like you know this one and nude nuns with big guns is a believer and he takes his like

faith very seriously but when we asked him at the end like you have anything you really think people should see either your back cataloger coming up and I think you just finished this film and he said if you don't see anything I've done see children of sorrow at that point he's made many

movies since then but he said I think it's the best thing that I've done and I think the trailers I agree with you I probably wouldn't have checked it out but we'd had such a nice talk with them like this guy's legit like he has talent even though he makes you know sometimes bottom of the

barrel stuff and this is not a bottom of the barrel movie in content in form it's very good for an independent film and he is terrifying like he gets he understands the inner working so I think it's the thing he does with his characters he humanizes them and he said that and he's like you know I as a believer I'm one people to see that everybody's human even those who are evil

sometimes that makes it creepier and that's what he nails in that movie. Yes amen you got a brother did you did you say he did a movie called mood nuns with big guns I believe he did yeah okay all right the old things so people Matt hey look man it's I don't think I'll ever watch that movie

but it's a cool band name it is do you listening Jackson I'm just kidding we ended up really fun back-to-back movies episodes and this movie was one of the reviews during that during those episodes mm-hmm those are good episodes of cult ones that was really good yeah there's some from the top excellent all right doctor shot what are you championing as surprisingly unknown horror gem oh wow you know what I'm going to go with the night shifter 2019 this film meant the world to me it really did

did anyone else out there see this film I did based on your recommendation same here because it was a shock because it hit your top 10 and I think we heard of it and me three wow okay for me it is definitely the night shifter I think this is one of the great films of the 2010s and I don't know

that I would put the it right there with terrified terrified yes I don't know they would put their right there with terrified but for me I really love the night shifter I wouldn't hear now from anyone who else saw this film yeah it I saw it only because you had said something Dave like

and then I never even heard of it like Wolfman says I checked it out and it's it's really good it's really freaky even the things where they seem limited by budget there's a thing they do with the mouths of the corpses that I guess it technically could be silly but it just makes it all the freak

here there's a there's this consistency with the movie even when the tones change that you feel like you're in this other world where the rules are slightly off but you feel like you know them as you get about you know a quarter into the film and it just goes goes from there nice yeah I also

saw it based on your recommendation dr. shock and I loved it quite a bit it was on shutter at the time I don't know if this still is but anyone out there listening who subscribes to shutter I recommend her the doctor track it down and watch it but yeah it's a Brazilian movie which is cool

because I don't see too many horror movies coming out of Brazil and yeah highly effective very creepy atmosphere and I just really love the story like I think it make a great novella or something like that where you start to realize what the rules are of this you know humans interacting with

the supernatural yeah it was a big surprise for me too I um it was judged the book by its covered for me I saw it on shutter just didn't stand out to me but your party recommendations the reason I checked it out it is I'm seeing I think it is still available on shutter and it is on amazon

as well people can check it out but like Dave said about doing horrible things to Netflix unfortunately we have to do those things to shutter too because they're not on available for DVD but um I would love a copy of this one this is a great film for sure nice all right the

night shifter I have not seen it doctor shock but now after hearing everybody and you again I'm gonna have to get to this thank you are you you got to get to a J I think you'll like it yeah I think we'll do well I mean if it's a morgue situation then let's let's do this right anyways oh boy

okay so so uh the night groper okay victor the hellcat okay which movie is your pick for a surprisingly unknown horror gem well I don't know if I can say this is really unknown but it's definitely it definitely wasn't well liked when it was released but I loved it it was I think it was my number one movie of 2018 guess though no it's annihilation and yeah yeah directed by Alex Garland and um you guys know there's been a lot of talk ever since probably Jim Cameron's aliens directors cut

impressed fans that there are all these secret movies out there that only if directors had enough power they could show you like how it really should have ended in most cases I would say they aren't as good as aliens but this is a case where two of the executives in charge of the movie went to war

before it got released and the one that won was the one on the side of the director who had the film released exactly as the director wanted which means it has a really enigmatic depressing ending and all the intellectual brainy stuff that the executives at I think is paramount objected to

are in the movie and uh you know we're talking about Alex Garland I mean this is the guy that made X Machina um men recently sunshine yeah he wrote 28 days later and he did this uh this really cool theoretical science fiction series on who the while ago called devs that I like it might have

it uh each I still love it and I'm sure we guess uh yeah but uh yeah I think this is an important movie just because of how it was released Netflix streamed the film I think 17 days after the theatrical release which has kind of become the norm now but at the time it was pretty revolutionary

and all I can say is I know my time is almost up so all I can say is it's a really cool story that's a great metaphor for mortality like Jay the dead was talking about recently how horror films are so good at conveying that all of the women scientists that go into the area in the movie are are all sort of stages of depression there are all kinds of really cool metaphors in this movie and a lot of great references to other works there's a bunch of jg ballard stuff if you read his books and so on

but anyway it's got a really really chilling ending that makes you go oh that's what's been going on you know but it's also a tremendous movie the encounter with the semi bear is an unsinkable moment in this movie that is one of the creepiest things I've ever seen so I think it succeeds

on every level at least for people like me it's my pick this was in the running for my haunting movie just because of that ending I definitely was on my short list of movies I considered yeah yeah understand it's a great pick and you know if people haven't seen it they should and

it's one of those films where the scene with the bear I think even if people for some reason I don't know why they would just didn't like the film that scene will go down to histories I think one of the greatest scenes in horror films certainly in modern horror films almost as good as the scene in

prophecy with the bear right in the sleeping bear almost the almost right the episode we did on the weird it was really enlightening to me because that wasn't as familiar with this brand of storytelling and we learned a lot on that episode on the weird we'll recover this movie it was

really fascinating it's like a grab bag of horror too because there's several different kinds in their terms so you know that bear scene is creepy in a different way than the final ending which is kind of almost trippy you know the last third of the movie is yeah very yeah it's unsettling it's

cerebral you almost have like some 2001 vibes it's it's an amazing movie yeah I guess I didn't remember or wasn't aware either one or the other the people didn't receive this as well Victor I mean I it creeped me out I remember being creeped out by it as well so excellent it was it was

a box office bomb but highly worth checking out yes we back you brother all right now it brings us to Nathan when I know what you're surprisingly unknown horror gem as okay and I think like annihilation which dips its toes and the science fiction and other

things you could see this movie in a couple different lights whether you see it as a thriller or as a sci-fi film maybe maybe even a low key superhero movie this is from 2017 and it's a it's a film directed by a director who really hadn't made any horror films or anything quite like it to this

point and that is Joaquin Trier's Thelma from 2017 which is a movie about a young girl something very crazy is happening in the very beginning you have another case of a of a parent sort of pursuing a child in a way that looks very creepy and then we move forward in time and we have a

coming of age story about a young girl she's coming from this very conservative Christian family and now she's sort of at university she's out from under that and she's realizing that she has some considerable abilities that she was never aware of and and didn't remember and in a lot of

ways she's not unlike that kid from the Twilight Zone episode of Good Life who can sort of who has incredible power not just the power to move things with your mind but to change the way the fabric of reality in a sense and so that's a huge thing and it's situated in a film

it sometimes feels a little bit like a witch film like a supernatural film but it's also very much a character study I'm not saying there's anything jump scare creepy in this film there's not anything that is going to really disturb you but I think it's a very powerful portrait of a person

who's wrestling with a lot of different things including their sexuality in the face of repression with their own feelings towards your parents and their parents towards them and just when you're young and you feel like hey I I can the world's what I make it well for her it's really true and

it's it's in any moment it's in my good emotions and it's in my bad emotions and all the emotions that are tumultuous in between so film of 2017 I think it's a I think it's a haunting film at its own right I think it's an amazing movie it's got great performances it's a very beautifully

directed great beautiful film I think I made my top 10 that year it came out but it's yeah definitely understeam I've never seen it same it's really good I think it's on Hulu maybe actually nice maybe elsewhere might be on I'll take a look what was the year it came out again 2017 and I

believe that's right because I was at the top of my horror list 2017 which was the same year which was amazing because I thought get out would be right at the top and I think that's that was 2017 yeah and that was my number seven that year yeah it's really good right between a dark song

and super dark times I love those movies too okay film well thank you Nathan excellent okay Dr. Kyle Bishop which horror film is your pick for a surprisingly unknown hidden gem that you want to champion and spread the word about all right Jay this is hard because a lot of the films I like

everybody else likes a lot of the films I'm familiar with I'm familiar with them because other people are familiar with them so I felt really unfairly put on the spot this idea of I got to come up with it well hidden gem PS everybody everybody has had notice so I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on them I'm

gonna try something here good and I'm hoping that there are this is going to be new and hidden for some of the listeners maybe you know it's super obvious but I'm gonna do it anyway okay and I'm also going to come back to my roots here and do and I'm gonna plug some zombie action I do think

the best zombie film of the last 10 years is trained to Busan but that's hardly a hidden gem right that is well known and mainstream and all the things but I did want to put something out there because as I've talked to other zombie fans and zombie scholars as I've done the lecture circuit

this year I have a surprising number of people have not heard of this film so I'm putting it out there this is 2017's cargo now cargo is not super obscure but it is a little so Yolanda Ramki wrote it and Ben Haling and Ramki directed it together and it's an adaptation of their own short film

so it started is just a short and then they turned it into a feature and one of the reasons why I'm concerned it doesn't count very well as a hidden gem is because it stars Martin Freeman who is a you know he's a superstar he's Watson he's Bill Bo you know he's in Marvel movies everybody knows him

yeah but I think this film is kind of a quiet piece and it's horror that is more of this kind of subtle psychological horror but it's also it's Australian which is cool Australian film it's Aboriginal and it really is kind of an eco horror take on zombies and so it's a it's a cool premise

the zombie pandemic is long at play when the movie starts so we're dropped into the middle of an ongoing situation and the scenario is that people get infected and they have a certain time period in which they will turn yeah and so he Martin Freeman who is playing Andy and his wife and

their baby Rosie are trying to escape infection by by being on a boat in Outback Australia but Thumi play oh no Thumi's not the life I don't remember my name I think it's okay but anyway she gets infected and just before Andy can put her down she bites him so the scenario is just chilling you got a dad with a baby in the middle of nowhere and he's going to turn into a zombie and eat that baby unless he can get that baby to some kind of safety and so along the way he encounters different

people and he's got to evaluate in this apocalyptic wasteland is this the kind of person I can trust with my baby yeah not for a not for a night not for a weekend for the rest of her life right his Andy's dying and so some really cool tense moments happen with different people that he encounters

and then there is this whole cool thing with the Aboriginal people and his in his relationship with Thumi played by Simone Landers who is an Aboriginal girl that he also kind of adopts in a way and then the ending of the film is just it's just a gut punch because it's like this loving father is going to become a zombie now I could I would see how maybe teenagers 20 somethings wouldn't be drawn to this film the way I am right they wouldn't find it as frightening as I do because it's not like

chalk full of zombie action but for a father who is held a baby in my arms this is a terrifying film yes so hopefully this is new to some hopefully this will be well received it is available on Netflix it's a Netflix production available to stream and so I do highly recommend it if you have not

seen cargo please check it out and Kyle do you recommend that they watch this feature film first and then visit the short film or not worry about short film or what the short film is like so many shorts it's elusive so I would just say you know go straight to the feature because I haven't

been able to find the short yeah and the shorts only seven minutes long so I would say you know just go to the final draft that's right let's go to the feature and enjoy I think it's really a great film I think it's excellent pick and I wonder if maybe part of the reason this film has been

under appreciated because I agree with you 100% is because people saw the short film and thought okay yeah I've seen I get the concept I don't need to watch an expanded feature film about it but I think you're right go to the feature film yes yeah absolutely

all right and brings us to Wolfman what is your pick for a surprisingly unknown horror gem so I think gem is really easy for me surprisingly unknown is hard for me so I don't I don't take a lot of risks on modern horror movies if it's like pre 1990 I'll take a risk on something I haven't

heard of it's in the 60s or 70s I'll definitely watch anything but in the post digital amazon age you can just get really bite yeah yeah when you just pick up a camera and then download it yeah so I get a rank sorry if it's less or known it's usually because it's a foreign film or it's

on shutter and usually if it's on shutter it's both of those things I think for this audience probably anything on shutter is not super unknown but I was really going to go with terrified that was my first pick because I think it's just one everybody should see I think it's a fantastic film heart plus knife was another one I considered for a shutter film one kind of the dead was one I considered for a shutter film but the one I'm going with because I think it's the least

scene of all these is let's L.U.Z. Oh yeah that was my number four in 2019 and I absolutely love this movie it's a little unresolved but whatever is happening for the first three fours this movie I am in the love with like I understand it was on the edge of my seat absolutely fascinated

and just kind of like ends abruptly in a little short but definitely want to check out I think it is gem is exactly right like this is something completely different and I love it Wolfman is this the one directed by Tom and singer is that yes okay yeah it's really cool

it's neat because we'll find like you're looking to it's almost like a tone poem it's a experience more than it is a story but it is so visceral and weird HMP listener gem Lukowski gives it one half a star and I tell you know it's really good when people give it five

stars and half a star and there's nothing in between right it's art it's cool I think it's a Spanish language it's from that mistake yeah well thank you all right and here is jigsaw Jackson the jackal from jeckel island with his answer to our third and final question and then finally

an underrated hidden gem from the last decade for this one I'm going with hunter hunter from 2020 now hunter hunter is a devine sawa vehicle of all things but I think it was vastly underrated to briefly talk about the plot it concerns a family they're living off the grid in the deep woods

and they begin to hunt a wolf that's been ravaging their fur traps but as the days go by we start to suspect that there might be something more sinister out there hunter hunter is a great low budget picture that I think vastly underperformed it was one of my favorite films of the year was

released and it's pretty much disappeared from the conversation which is a real shame in my opinion all right and wrapping it up bringing us home one our very final host on the final question past or map the velocipaster what is your surprisingly unknown horror gem man this was like wolfman

I had a tough time with this because when I look just on letterboxed at kind of our the core of our community I don't think they miss anything it seems like they watch absolutely everything so I thought about this there was part of me that just wanted to be a jerk and just go to war

and champion strangers pray at night because yes not because it's a gem just because so many people crapped on it I actually love that movie a lot I think it was a great sequel but I guess the one where maybe some listeners haven't seen or the corpse of Anna Fritz with that's for marital

reasons there's been two films horror films over the last five years where let's just say it got a little dusty in the room and at the end one of them was a slaughterhouse isn't it yes it was slaughterhouse which I only watch because you recommended it Nathan I'll take the plane okay one of

them was tigers are not afraid which really in film but I think most people know it but the other one is the witch in the window yes yes that's thinking about that one today yeah yeah that film I mean the chemistry between the father and the son is so strong in that movie and very low budget you

know it's just a father and son restoring a Vermont farmhouse and you know there's ghost and because of the chemistry between those two it's just like man you're rooting for them and you're rooting for them and you're rooting for them and they just keep getting smacked around and smacked

around and then the end of that movie I'll all say as if you haven't seen it when there's a knock on the wall and the little boy says something I will just go ahead and say I cried like a baby especially as somebody was a single dad I bald brother yeah just throwing this out there

pastor Matt Andy Mitten has been you know that song killing me softly with his song strum and my pain with his finger yes Andy Mitten does that to me with horror films and his other film the harbinger and the witch in the window have both destroyed me in that way so they're both good back yeah yeah

that film is just and I was shocked that maybe one of the few films with our community or I was like I'm putting it on my top 10 list and I did actually have a couple people go wait a minute where's that out and I couldn't believe people hadn't seen it but I love that I can't I'm not sure I can

ever watch it again just thinking about that ending makes me start to tear up yeah and then when I heard from I recommended it to Jackson and Jackson messaged me back and said he had just watched it and I said what did you think and he he literally said to me the same thing I just

say he gets it got a little dusty in the room dad yeah surprise he just didn't say I love you immediately yeah well I think he knew that I probably ruined an iPhone from crying on it if I can yeah also that speaker Jackson anything for Jackson is another one that's yeah I forgot about

that yeah really enriching and by the way while we're throwing out the ps is a earlier i tease the killer cult movie from 2017 that I thought doc shock might pick it's jackals jackals yeah and that is a it's a tin yeah a must see for and I don't know if I'm stepping on the toes of anybody who

hasn't gone yet so if you're ready to cut it no that's it go for it's it's a little less probably hidden gem now that was what first came out but the empty man from 2020 big fan oh yeah hi this is Peter going from the south of sweeten just to let you know that you're listening to

the horror movie podcast where they're dead serious about horror movies okay now before we wrap up this episode we do have a little bonus segment especially for you hmp listeners it's after the very end after the final credits the plugs and the music all that

so make sure you keep listening all the way to the end of this episode why because in the spirit of our old campfire tale segments where we tell you some real life horror stories while pastor mat has a creepy little pre-recorded campfire tale for you you heard references to pastor mats a

forementioned possession story so be sure to keep listening to hear the velocisepaster tell the tale all right well great job everybody I thank you that just about wraps up believe it or not this episode a horror movie podcast want to thank all the listeners for joining us you can find

all the hmp episodes old and new at horrormoviepigas.net and of course please be sure to subscribe to this free podcast where you can regularly hear from Nathan Victor Trey pastor mat in Jackson and you can get some frequent contributions such as the tubi roulette with bill van bagel which I love is one of my favorite aspects and then I send in reviews once in a while and then we'll be hearing hopefully from the emeritus hosts from time to time as well so absolutely let me just say yes of course

Jay you Dave Wolfman you're all welcome on anytime it's always a pleasure to have you and you know people who have been listening for 10 years they absolutely geek out when they hear that any of you're going to be on here with three of you on here they're just going to go crazy it's going to be

it's just going to be wonderful so thank you awesome little island roll yeah yeah absolutely and I should say really quick I should say one of the like you said bill van bagel sends in a segment he may be the only person on the podcast who has seen new nuns with big guns then these star in

that you know isn't he a see how to cam you uh I'm just wondering okay just to mention tubi I want to say because we asked earlier where you could see phelma and one of the places that is playing is on tubi nice all right uh the last faster I just want to thank you for the opportunity here

uh to step in and pinch hit once again this is really fun and um just want to know if you would mind giving the listeners your final thoughts and where they can catch up with more of your work yeah absolutely again this was a blast thank you all I'm so glad that hnp is continuing and Nathan

and victor and tre you know they do most of the work I'm trying to trying to get in the finishing days of a phd program and so it's been really busy for me but they have really carried the torch themselves they've done a great job I know that Nathan's got some episodes in the can that he's

working on and so those will be out and we'll just keep it going but it's all because of you guys especially uj and it's just much appreciated and here's to 10 more years that's right thank you and uh as for me here in addition to the horror segments uh and then I'm over at horror movie weekly

with mr. Watson it's just two of us now shanny dreadfuls taking maternity leave and project of armant has gone on to spend more time focusing on her show no bodies horror pie cast which features wolf man he's had a recent guest appearance on there I'll link it in the show notes and you can hear mr. Watson and I over at horrormovieweekly.com and then of course we're at jade the dead's new horror

movies the Avengers of horror pie casting with doc shock gill man joell mr. Watson dr. walking dead greggomortis count macula run martin and davzy and we even get official contributions from kegon brighten

bach and that's it new horror movies dot com k wolf man what are your final thoughts and uh tell listeners where they can find more your work it's been great talking movies with you all I haven't done that only this one time with project of armant in the last couple of years so i'm not podcasting

anywhere currently so it was good I didn't know if uh i the dust off this old bike and see if i could still write it it is interesting experiment but um i appreciate it's really touching to me that you guys are carrying on the show because this is a show that meant a lot to me and it's one of

the things that most proud of in my life to be honest so i think it's awesome that the people who are carrying on came out of our listenership that's incredible it's very meaningful to me so i just want to thank all of you for carrying on what we started oh so many years ago and apparently if you're interested in what i'm doing i if you have disney plus or abinzaan or the national geographic channel and you can see a show i work on called like losio first alaskans season two is airing right

now season three is going to start soon and i've directed about thirteen episodes here and there but the every episode has got like four directors because we're following different characters all over alaska we had no one remembers all my bear and new survival stories from back in the day

and doing that same stuff and uh and we're doing it in alaska and um i just started a band um what really pacific island of protest rock because there were no punk colonies and bands so we decided to start one so we just released our first demo um it's on spotify under the savage nobles

they have a song called complier is this that's available but we're gonna put out a seven inch and then a four-length album i should be fun and other than that i'm just making documentaries and scrambling around um yeah great talking to all of you and that was awesome thank you

with me i thank you okay a night stalker nathan what are your final thoughts in uh let us know your plugs uh yes it was great to get together and talk with everyone to have everybody on the show and you can find me over at phantom galaxy we're getting stuff fired back up there myself and bill van

bagel maybe we will review it probably not new nonsense big guns and uh can also of course i'm here at our movie podcast with uh victor and trade regularly and mat and jackson most of the time you know every other time but that's uh yeah that's that's where you can find me hey thank you nathan and

dock shock sir what are your final thoughts for listeners in your plugs okay well yeah what can i say yeah i think about the uh there's a scene in a movie called gross point blank which is the comedy with junk use that where he's a hitman he goes back to his 10-year high school reunion and him and

Jeremy pivina driving on a car together and Jeremy pivina just keeps going yeah that might be me that's right god 10 years for hmp my god it just means the world to me it really does this podcast and everyone involved with it and the fact that we have everyone here with us now with the

exception of show jay will have him yeah we're gonna have yeah we're gonna have Kyle and Joel and jenny xin and trade please though i'll be in please have well kyle was there before me but yes please have kyle and Joel there it's amazing and thank you so much for being part of this podcast all

right yes and of course dock shock is also available at land of the creeps right and you do like 20 podcasts i'm gonna link them all up make sure they're all on the show notes for your day because you're prolific it and jay that there's new harm we've podcast yeah it all of them mean so much thanks

brother we appreciate you okay uh vicious victor what are your final thoughts sir and let us know where the listeners can find you yes sir well it's great being part of this episode uh really liked hearing us all in one place and um yeah if anybody wants to uh find out more about what I do

on the show and off the show just go to my website vhrudrigas.wordpress.com a writer published my first collection a couple of years ago called the sound of fear and i made a limited series podcast with my friend josh producing it called inside the sound of fear where he interviews me about what

inspired me to do each story and i'm also at dime store Caesar on twitter or instagram thank you victor appreciate it all right and try what's done sir uh let the listeners know um if you have any final thoughts for them parting thoughts for the road today and um and also any plugs of where

they can find more of your work yeah so i am right here on horror movie podcast you can hear me with um Nathan and victor and uh pastramat and jackson of course and hopefully yourself from time to time j as well you can also find me at my solo cast screaming through the ages which is much more of my

kind of um little passion project that i do in my spare time but i love that show and i love doing it and putting it together so yeah you can catch me out over there as well and now let's hear some final thoughts from our main man jackson rollings well there you have it a decade in review like

i'm just super excited both to hear this monumental episode and to see where horror movie podcast goes over the next decade first and foremost i'm a fan of the show so i'm eagerly awaiting each episode drop but i'm also a great admirer of the horror community this podcast is spawned

i know it's made a huge positive impact in my life and the lives of others and it all began in 2013 once again thanks a million to all the listeners a huge thanks to j for having me on this is jack rollings signing out thanks to jackson it's an honor to have this guy who was a listener

at age 14 and now he's a host on the show bringing some excellent horror picks too i might add he brought possum hunter hunter and his most influential horror movie was the same as mine it follows yes this guy knows what he's talking about all in addition to hmp of course you can also hear more

of jackson over on father and son watch horror movies so check it out okay dr walking dead so happy that you could join us in this weird sort of way where we recorded but we still inserted you throughout the episodes thank you i'm glad to be here as a spectral force see people the scenes

listers we can't take kio out in public he's kind of our you know we keep him in the back i'm feral that's right so i work in the listers catch up with you and more of your work online all right i am actually making an effort to be present in the community so i am often found on

j the dead's new horror movies i try to record with others but it is challenging but i do have a segment the dead zone that j and i do so i can be found there and then i throw in some extra little bits now and then under the the grand umbrella of new horror movies i have dead man still

walking where i'm doing a systematic analysis of zombie films both present and past kind of a bifurcated historical approach that's usually a solo cast but every so often i drag in a guest and then we talk about the the living dead so those are my my main vehicles of exposure j and i also

did a pretty good coverage of the last of us tv series and that's available through new horror movies i'm also trying to be more active on the social medias so the best place is still to find me on x i'm holding out i'm hanging on to x as it dies but maybe it'll recover just because there's

such a great established network there so i'm at dr walking dead dr walking dead i i'm on there and then i share a kind of redundant stuff through instagram and and facebook but the main material the main feeds the main many reviews and the links to the podcasting all goes out through x and then you know i've got some books and articles and interviews and youtube stuff out there too so you know google kyle william bishop and if you do kyle william bishop zombie you're gonna find more

than you want so i am out there and you know if you're looking for a college to attend you're in high school not to graduate come to us you we'll make it worth you on that's right so they're in Utah university okay yomang yomu you have any final thoughts for the listeners and let them know where

they can catch up with more of your work online well my final thoughts for the listeners is this and it's a friggin cliche but it's true and i know when other people say it and i'm the listener on the other end i roll my eyes so forgive me but legitimately all y'all are the reason why

my little souther comes in all y'all are the reason why idiot was do this stuff i mean we do it for ourselves we like talking to our friends we love talking horror we probably would do i actually let me let me breathe out because honestly we all would probably do it regardless right

but but the fact that there is even just a handful of people out there which i know for hp has been a fairly large handful over the years that love these movies as much and sometimes even more than some of us do or that we can have these conversations with everybody and that you guys have

just always been so supportive and and like kind and decent and you know i i don't know i just i love the horror fans in general because i think my experience i think as many people have been that there's just always not always obviously that's a wild generalization but a large percentage

are embracing right of people and and trying to you know just be supportive and i just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart and i feel like i can safely on this one speak for everybody involved with hp to thank the listeners for their time and their attention because in the world we

live in that is honestly the most valuable commodity that you give anybody eight second your time is worth something so there is it's got it's got the highest value so because it's of the highest value we highly value all of you so there's that and if you are so inclined to want to listen to

me and others jiver javaron about such things be sure to check out Richard movie geek where my buddies Darryl Peter and i and usually a guest of some sort we tell you about movies that are 20 years old or older and so please check that out we also have it on youtube now is with a video

so we have video and audio so you can check it and send like apple podcast Spotify all the usual but we also have it on youtube as well and then my other regular podcast that i do with peter and allyson the horror unicorn we do terror on the tube where we focus on made for tv horror

suspense movies from the 70s 80s and now at least twice the 1990s one of those was great and one of those was a big smoking turd so that being said go check that out that is also now available on youtube as well as all the audio based platforms and finally of course obviously i'm on jen the jen's

new horror movies come on come on much of it is your horror movies i'm one of the mini horror Avengers i say i don't even know that i'm quite at like hawk eye level i think i probably let me say it could be i don't know enough about the actual comic books to think of like a character

that would show up like everyone's in a while and it's like yeah he's there he does a thing but does he even have a superpower uh hawk eye hawk i'll go with hawk eye hawk eye okay i'm partially cool or ant man you know yeah oh my son ant man can get big yeah it's it's cold

that has got shrinkage but he's a grower up judging me yeah so yeah either one i'll fight with so that and then i think i'm actually the real final fight is of course bomb and pop video shop is it youtube channel that i do with

my good buddy Tyson and we put out and then the one we're putting out a video like every Monday mainly because we wanted to build up a library of actual videos we had nothing and we're gonna we started doing that we did our first live stream on friday 13th which actually went on

in october which we exceptionally well i was actually thrilled we had like 20 so much people out there which i noticed probably not if you're like what do you still be people some people get hundreds of thousands look your channel as well as ours just starting out perfect that anybody showed

up i was but it is exceptional listeners that you got it you got to check out mom and pop video shop 10 out of 10 love it thank you Jay you've always been very supportive of everything and especially the the channels i very much appreciate that and also just chat so i'm mom and pop video

shop if you just search youtube you'll find it and then yeah we put out a video every Monday i'm trying to get better about making them shorter some of them go a little longer than i want them to but you know you know what you can do but yeah we're gonna try to do more live streams at least once

some months we're gonna short doing that more often so we can interact with folks because that's just fun so check us out subscribe if you're so inclined and thank you in advance and we want to make sure we give a shout out to the musicians who have contributed to this episode or the horror movie

podcast theme music you have heard the musical stylings of Frederick angram as well as keegan brightenbok and our very own jackson rolling so i want to thank all of those gentlemen for their excellent work i know for me personally one of my favorite parts of horror movie podcast has

always been the music alright i think that's it so don't forget to subscribe to horror movie podcast and visit the creepy cool website shout out to megan looks great at horrormoviepodcast.net and on behalf of the velocipaster mount rollings jackson the ripper rollings the night stalker Nathan

Bartleball blood spray tray the tiger tamer wetstone vicious victor the hellcat rod regus the wolf man david dr shock please don't misuse the baler becker and dr walking dead kyle bishop and the gill man Joel Robertson i am your host j of the dead and here's to another 10 years we thank you

for listening to horror movie podcast where we're dead serious about horror movies this is carl from movie podcast weekly and you're listening to horror movie podcast where we're dead serious about horror movies except carl doesn't even watch horror movies am i wrong am i wrong about

i know but you just blew it so when i was a little kid my dad is a minister as well he still alive 85 years old still works the church and he found the church in 1970 in the church you know every family you know everything that's going on and then we had this one family and this

probably was like nineteen seventy seven seventy eight because i would have been about four or five years old and we had this family in the church that kept complaining they kept saying that their daughter was demon possessed my dad being very logical analytical he used to be an adjunct professor

philosophy he sent the young girl and her family to a psychiatrist friend of his and they went through the whole thing and you know he was like i don't know what to tell you i don't know why she's doing these things i heard my mom tell the story my dad went over to visit the family one time to

check on them and they opened the garage door and she was slithering on the garage floor like a snake i'm sitting there with my oldest brother my brother Greg and he and i are standing waiting for something i think waiting for like gas money for my dad or something like that we're standing there

in the church building and the couple bring in the teenage girl she's like sixteen seventeen and she is screaming she is foaming at the mouth her eyes are rolling back in her head that i mean she's just going and i'm scared to death little kid watching my dad walks up to her puts his hands on

each side of her head closes his eyes is silent for a few seconds let's go over she falls to the ground she wakes up she has no memory of any of this and she's been fine ever since yeah and i will tell you this because i have asked my father about several occasions he will not talk about it so then

ten years later i'm around fifteen years old my best buddy Steve calls me up and says hey i'm gonna go meet this girl do you want to go and she was in another town and all this kind of kind of stuff i'm like i i don't want to be a third wheel man you go you know grow a pair and go

knock on her door and he said well her cousins there and she's a cheerleader i'm like i'll be right there and so i jump in his car he picks me up and he he was a year older than ios and so we go over to this girl's house and we knock on the door and we come in and they're playing with a

Ouija board i don't know these girls they're playing with a Ouija board and Steve goes this is my buddy Matt and so the girl that cheerleader goes do you want to talk to Matt and the thing goes to no and they say do not like Matt doesn't move they said are you afraid of Matt doesn't move

what are you afraid of and it spelled out they don't know who i am d a d i hope you have a pleasant evening evening of whatever uh corpse and whatever you're creating a good green watch oh yeah um yeah there's uh speaking of morgue stuff

what there's a movie yeah there's a movie i saw i mean Nathan you know this there's a movie i saw on to be recently it's a it's a to be original um give it to me give it to me i guess it didn't have a real uh memorable title but um garyo connell is in it oh yeah oh the movie with

cereal yes it's it's it was actually pretty good there's just two suspensions of disbelief in the movie that go too far they ask too much of the um of the viewer but yeah it's called play dead and it's on to me oh yes i've seen i love that one actually i like it a lot yes of course you i like that the one you've seen day jay is called playing with the dead it's a different uh nice nice two shades sir two fake